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BIFC: Lost in Translation · Black Ibis Social Club

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Black Ibis Social Club, special movie edition.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, guys, so this is actually a special episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the first of many special episodes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to take a drink of my beer real fast, okay, in a second.
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  SPEAKER_00: noises.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyways,
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  so one of the things I've decided to do is that on top of our
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  usual interview
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  episodes where we have a guest and Fisto and I sit around and
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  talk with them and we
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  SPEAKER_00: just kind of BS about whatever,
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  SPEAKER_00: mostly very critical,
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  SPEAKER_00: important things,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to be doing a lot of episodes,
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  SPEAKER_00: mostly for our paid audience.
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  where i watch a movie and i you know do some critical uh
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  conversation with my guest
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  about that one specific movie and i think that's an important
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  thing because really
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  SPEAKER_00: progressing the culture and discussing art
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  And sharing taste and critical thought about artistic media is
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  one of the most
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  SPEAKER_00: important things we can do as commentators,
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  SPEAKER_00: podcasters,
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  SPEAKER_00: writers,
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  SPEAKER_00: authors,
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  SPEAKER_00: artists.
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  And tonight,
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  joining me at the Black Eye of the Social Club Clubhouse is Judy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you guys don't know, Judy's actually my wife.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, Judy, welcome to the show.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, thank you for having me.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Judy is really also an amazing person.
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  SPEAKER_00: She is a photographer, you know, wife, mom, all around cool person.
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  SPEAKER_00: Puts up with me, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: She takes our kid out when I'm recording the other episodes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I decided to do this with her,
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  SPEAKER_00: do the show with her,
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  SPEAKER_00: because,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: in our pretty long marriage,
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  SPEAKER_00: to be honest,
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  SPEAKER_00: how long have we been married for?
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  SPEAKER_00: 11 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: 11 years.
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  there right i think one one of the one of the my favorite
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  things we do and we do a
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  lot of cool things but one of my favorite things we do is we
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  you know we often sit
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  around the couch put on a movie and watch a movie and that's
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  not the part that's my
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  favorite the part that's my favorite is that after we watch a
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  movie especially a
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  SPEAKER_00: good movie
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  we sit around and drink some beers or wine or whatever we're
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  drinking at the time
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  and we spend like five to six hours smoking cigarettes and
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  talking about the movie
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  and it's basically what we do on a regular episode of the
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  podcast but i decided
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  that we're going to do this what in god's name is that i
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  decided that we're going
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  SPEAKER_00: to do this about movies every week or so right
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  SPEAKER_00: All right,
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  SPEAKER_00: so we decided to do our test run on this show,
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  SPEAKER_00: the initial show,
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  SPEAKER_00: actually on Judy's favorite movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one of my top three movies, Sofia Coppola's Lost in Translation.
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  so for you guys not familiar with the movie sofia coppola's
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  lost in translation
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  came out in 2003 all right it was up for best picture and it
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  was uh in my opinion
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  SPEAKER_00: robbed the best picture by lord of the rings two towers
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  now i do love lord of the rings the two towers but lost in
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  translation is a
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  superior movie hands down and i disagree with it she also lost
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  best director to
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  peter jackson that year which once again i disagree with that
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  because lost in
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  translation is a much better movie than the two towers which
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  was a good movie in
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  SPEAKER_00: its own right but not lost in translation
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  And I know some of you guys are going to probably go,
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  you know,
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  go fuck yourselves,
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  right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what they say to that, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, Lost in Translation is a great movie.
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  And it's a special movie to both of us because it's ultimately
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  about Japan.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's an existentialist movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a movie about finding yourself.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a movie that...
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  is meaningful to somebody that is young in their early 20s and
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  then somebody that's
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  older like me right now in my 40s well 41 not that old but uh
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  definitely somebody
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  entering middle age and uh most importantly somebody who grew
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  up in the 50s
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  somebody grew up in the 50s to quote scarlett johansson in the
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  movie um most
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  SPEAKER_00: importantly the movie is uh what's the word for it
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  It's important to Judy and I because we lived in Japan for
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  almost four years.
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  And out of all the movies we've seen that cover Japan from a
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  Western perspective.
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  SPEAKER_00: Once again,
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  this movie looks at Japan in a Western perspective through the
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  eyes of two absolute foreigners.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm writing this down.
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  SPEAKER_00: Western perspective.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll talk about that later.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like that idea of the gaze and the foreignness.
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  SPEAKER_00: It really, we're really connected to it.
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  So when we're going to go into the movie later,
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  we're going to talk about Japan itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we'll probably share some things that we found about
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  SPEAKER_00: Some of the things that we connected,
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  SPEAKER_00: I had all the movies about Japan from the Western perspective,
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  SPEAKER_00: probably the best one,
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  SPEAKER_00: Ramen Girl.
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  SPEAKER_03: Ramen Girl is a good one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Brittany Murphy, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ramen Girl with Brittany Murphy is actually another good one.
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  TV shows or movies that really capture that Japanese feel are,
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  well,
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  the Japanese Netflix show.
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  SPEAKER_03: Midnight Diner.
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  Midnight Diner which was on Japanese Netflix which really
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  captures Japan really well from
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  SPEAKER_03: Japanese perspective, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you definitely feel it when you live there.
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  SPEAKER_00: But before we start going into more deep analysis,
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  SPEAKER_00: I kind of want to give a quick summary of the movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Lost in Translation, written and directed by Sofia Coppola.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you don't know who Sofia Coppola is, well, that's your problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: You need to catch up on your film, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: She is Francis Ford Coppola's
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  daughter if you don't know who Francis Ford Coppola is then go
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  ahead turn off this
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  SPEAKER_00: podcast and go watch a movie because you need to
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  SPEAKER_00: You just need to go away.
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  This ride is not,
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  you're not tall enough to ride this ride to hang out,
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  okay?
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  But it stars Bill Murray and Scarlett Johansson,
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  a very young Scarlett Johansson,
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  actually.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she's actually checking the Wikipedia entry.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was 17 when this movie was filmed.
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  In the movie itself,
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  she's supposed to be in her 20s because she's married.
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  SPEAKER_03: She graduated college.
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  SPEAKER_00: Graduated college.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's supposed to be in her early to mid-20s.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'd say maybe 20, 22.
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  SPEAKER_00: She has to be over 20 because the legal drinking age in Japan is 20.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she goes into bars in the movie.
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  SPEAKER_03: Was it 20 or 18?
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  SPEAKER_00: It was 20, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So she has to be over 20 to be able to drink.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she goes to all the bars.
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  SPEAKER_00: She goes to the strip club and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: And 20 is like the cutoff age for like everything in Japan.
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  SPEAKER_00: But her being 17 and 20 is kind of a key to what I'm going to talk about.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going to be one of the topics I want to bring up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, what the movie's about is it's got a very simple plot.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's his name?
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  SPEAKER_00: Bill Murray's character is, his name is Bob.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bob.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is it, Bob something?
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  SPEAKER_00: Did you write it down?
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  SPEAKER_03: I should know this, but...
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bob, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: He is basically a washed-up actor.
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  SPEAKER_00: He is a... Bob Harris.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bob Harris.
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  SPEAKER_03: Mr. Harris.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mr. Harris, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: He's a washed-up actor, an American actor.
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  He's basically...
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  It looks like the movie implies he was some sort of an action
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  kind of star.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the 70s.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right, in the 70s.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now he's in his mid-50s, pushing 60.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what he is doing in Japan, he is...
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  He basically got hired by Suntory Whiskey to be the spokesman
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  for the whiskey.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, this kind of situation is actually a play on Tommy Lee Jones.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you go to Japan,
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  SPEAKER_00: there's a lot of advertising done by actors for American actors,
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  SPEAKER_00: usually ones that haven't really had roles or are as mainstream anymore,
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  SPEAKER_00: and they're doing advertising for Japanese brands.
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  SPEAKER_00: One of the things you see in Japan that's kind of ambiguous.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is that?
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  SPEAKER_03: That's our dog having a dream.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sorry about that, guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's Quinn having a dream.
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  One of the things that's ambiguous about it is if you go to
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  Japan is almost every
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  soda machine or coffee machine is plastered with Tommy Lee
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  Jones's face and it's
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  SPEAKER_00: for boss coffee.
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  And you'll see like him holding a...
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  They sell coffee in cans from the soda machine.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, not soda machine.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they're like aluminum cans and you can get them hot or cold.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the ads are usually like...
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  they're just like very ostentatious and ridiculous you know
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  right and it's like
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  Tommy Jones you know and it's called boss coffee right that
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  wasn't my favorite of
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  the insta like vending machine coffees my favorite coffee in
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  Japan was um what was
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  SPEAKER_00: the what was the one it was boss there was um
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  SPEAKER_00: It was called Georgia brand coffee.
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  So if you guys imagine,
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  imagine a little aluminum bottle that you bought from a machine
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  In the machine,
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  if it was blue,
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  if the buttons glowed blue,
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  it means it was iced or cold.
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  SPEAKER_00: If the buttons glowed red, it was hot.
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  And in the winter when it's cold,
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  you just get those,
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  like two of these hot coffees.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can get them black, you can get them with milk and sugar.
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  It's usually too much sugar,
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  so I always opted for like the black version.
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  and you can actually use them as hand warmers and put them in
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  your pocket if your
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  coat and you got two uh uh aluminum bottles of coffee sitting
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  there in your pocket
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  i used to just sit there with them or like wait for the train
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  because the vending
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  machine seemed to be at the train station so you just sit there
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  waiting for the
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  SPEAKER_00: train with these two but
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  Back to the point,
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  the machines are always spotted with Tommy Lee Jones' face.
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  SPEAKER_00: In this movie,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: Bob Harris,
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  SPEAKER_00: our main character,
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  SPEAKER_00: he is doing basically the same thing Tommy Lee Jones did,
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  SPEAKER_00: but he is a spokesman for Centauri Whiskey,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is an actual real Japanese brand.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's actually a fantastic brand of whiskey, and I really enjoyed it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I used to enjoy a lot of whiskey highballs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whiskey and soda and a little bit of Suntory whiskey.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some of that, what was that?
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  SPEAKER_00: What was that?
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, I forgot what that was called.
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  SPEAKER_03: There was like a- The soda water, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: A little bit of soda water and a lemon.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not a lime, but a lemon.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the key.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a whiskey highball.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whiskey, soda water, lemon.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's one of the most popular drinks in Japan.
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  SPEAKER_00: Almost every single bar sells it.
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  SPEAKER_00: The other really popular drink in Japan is actually Chuhai,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is Korean soju with some kind of fruit juice kind of mix.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wilkinson.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wilkinson soda water him.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he usually came in a plastic bottle with a red label.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway,
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  SPEAKER_00: so Bob Harris is in his late 50s,
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  SPEAKER_00: and he is taking a job for $2 million to promote Centauri.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's kind of ridiculous.
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  Right away at the beginning,
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  you realize that he's having an existential life crisis.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's not happy in his marriage.
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  SPEAKER_00: His wife doesn't really care about him or...
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  doesn't really understand where he's at he's uh feeling kind of
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  empty he's he's
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  kind of miserable he's uh kind of lost at the same time in the
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  same hotel in the
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  same week is charlotte played by scarlett johansson charlotte
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  is a young early 20s
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  And she is the wife of a photographer,
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  a music photographer played by Giovanni Ribisi.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this guy, he's like a cool dude.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  he's out here in Japan to take photos of bands for some kind of
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  like Rolling
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  SPEAKER_00: Stone-ish kind of magazine or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he doesn't really give two shits about her.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or at least he doesn't.
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  She's kind of cantacarous and kind of a smart girl who reads
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  type of philosophy major.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's very surface, very shallow.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's kind of...
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  Try to kind of pawn her off and leave her leave her behind
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  while he goes off around
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  the country to take pictures of these bands and she's feeling
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  kind of lost doesn't
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  know what she She's doing doesn't know what she finds and She
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  in the movie the two
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  SPEAKER_00: of them Bill Murray and Bob
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  harris and charlotte they kind of come together and they spend
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  some time there's a
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  bit of a romance non-romance and then the movie ends and in a
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  way it's one of the
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  SPEAKER_00: most touching existential romances i've ever watched on the screen um
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's so many deep emotional threads that are often unspoken,
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  SPEAKER_00: but just come across through the acting and the
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  The facial expressions of Bill Murray and Scarlett Johansson
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  and their environment
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  SPEAKER_00: and the soundtrack of the movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's really...
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_03: we definitely have to give a big shout-out to all the music in the movie.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's so good.
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  SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So before we go into more deeper analysis, why do you like the movie?
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  SPEAKER_00: When was the first time you ever saw her?
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_03: The first time I ever saw this movie was probably...
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was either senior in high school or maybe just right after I graduated.
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  SPEAKER_03: I graduated in 05 and this movie came out in what, 0304?
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  SPEAKER_01: 0304, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So sometime around there and,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: my goal when I was about to graduate high school,
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  SPEAKER_03: I was,
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  SPEAKER_03: like,
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  SPEAKER_03: really into Japan.
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  SPEAKER_03: I wasn't, like, super into, like, anime or anything, but...
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  SPEAKER_03: I just really wanted to visit Japan and... I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: But nothing came of it at that time.
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  I didn't have the money or the...
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  There was no way I was going to go to Japan.
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  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, it was just a movie I really liked.
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  SPEAKER_03: I thought Japan was cool.
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  Even at that age,
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  I don't think I understood the depth of the emotion in that movie.
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  SPEAKER_03: But...
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: I feel like I watched the movie at least once a year.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then I watched it when we lived in Japan.
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  SPEAKER_03: Spoiler alert.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it really clicked more when we lived in Japan?
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because I think the... You know, just the...
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  SPEAKER_00: The feeling of alienation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Being a foreigner.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes,
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  SPEAKER_03: like the culture shock and the alienation and just kind of feeling alone,
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  SPEAKER_03: but like you're surrounded by so many people.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like there's,
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  SPEAKER_03: we all know there's so many people in Japan,
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  but like it's really hard to connect because of like the
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  language barrier and like
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  SPEAKER_03: nobody knows anything about you and
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  I don't know,
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  and I feel like the movie does a really good job kind of
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  showing that.
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  I always felt in Japan,
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  you can be lonely in a crowd of a thousand people.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can cross like Shibuya Station,
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  SPEAKER_00: and if you guys are not familiar with Shibuya Station,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's Shibuya Crossing.
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  It's right outside a giant train station,
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  and it's got these crazy diagonal like...
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  crosswalks that just this giant i would google it if you're
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  interested in it
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  because you can actually watch videos of the crossing on on
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  youtube that kind of
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  shows the craziness of it and i'll post a link to a video of it
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  you can cross this
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  SPEAKER_00: place and there's so many people and it's overwhelming the first time you
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  SPEAKER_00: experience sugarier crossing
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  SPEAKER_00: you're just overwhelmed.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I say this coming from being somebody who grew up in Los Angeles.
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  I grew up right south of Los Angeles in Long Beach,
• 18:08
  which is like a suburb city of Los Angeles.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: And that city has about 600,000 people.
• 18:13
  And then Los Angeles County itself tops out around 5 million
• 18:17
  people total.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: And when I first experienced Shibuya Crossing, I was overwhelmed.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: It was just...
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I, it's not even just the huge amount of people.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's, there's like these neon flashing lights everywhere.
• 18:32
  And it just,
• 18:33
  it looks like so technologically advanced in like a weird way.
• 18:38
  And the buildings right there are so tall and you just have to
• 18:41
  look up and there's
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: just so many,
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: like there's so much going on.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_03: And then you're surrounded by all these people and there's like,
• 18:50
  Harajuku girls and like your salary men then like their black
• 18:54
  suits walking around and
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: And you are literally, like, the minority.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you're stuck in, like, a weird cyberpunk nightmare.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, totally.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Where it's,
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: skyscrapers flashing lights,
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: cars,
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: trains on,
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: elevated rails,
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: shooting out weird speakers saying stuff.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah,
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: I was going to say,
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: there's,
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: always some sort of,
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: vehicle driving around with,
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: some sort of,
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: anime music playing with,
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: like...
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_03: Some sort of like Pikachu hanging out of the window or whatever.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: There's just always something ridiculous.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: You're like in a seizure nightmare.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's like sensory overload.
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  But that's like what I loved about Japan is like being
• 19:36
  completely like thrown into
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_03: a different culture out of my element.
• 19:40
  And like almost like trying to like I literally felt like I had
• 19:47
  to like find my place.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, and that's really what this movie's about.
• 19:55
  So the movie starts off with a very iconic scene and that's
• 20:00
  Scarlett Johansson's ass.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Best opening scene.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: It starts off with a very slow panning shot of
• 20:07
  Her back and her butt and she's wearing these like peach pink
• 20:11
  kind of underwear
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: that are see through and right away it's sexualized.
• 20:16
  So the message of the movie is that it's there's a sexual
• 20:22
  tension in the movie.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's clear right off the bat.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_03: Does that shot remind you of an American apparel ad?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: It does a little bit remind me.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the whole movie reminds me of an American apparel ad, right?
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 20:35
  we're talking to people that are probably like Gen Z or that
• 20:38
  have no idea what the
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: fuck an American apparel ad is.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: Does American apparel even exist anymore?
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it does.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: We'd have to look that up.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, wow.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it does have an American apparel kind of vibe to it.
• 20:51
  But it's got this fantastic...
• 20:54
  Okay,
• 20:54
  the whole film itself is masterfully shot.
• 20:58
  And there's...
• 21:00
  The way it's shot,
• 21:01
  there's kind of a wobbly cam thing going on.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: But not like a real wobbly cam.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: It does a lot of tricks with angles that...
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: To kind of disorient you and make you feel out of kilter almost.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: And the whole movie makes you feel like that.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: But it starts off with this very static,
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: very sexualized,
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: I guess you could say male gaze kind of like shot.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: And once again, this movie is a movie written by and directed by a woman.
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  And it's really a very – I see it as a very feminine movie,
• 21:39
  the way it portrays the emotions.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: But there's still a very masculine edge.
• 21:43
  And I really have to give it to Sofia Coppola because she does
• 21:47
  capture this male
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: ennui of aging and being –
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: getting older and not connecting with the world anymore.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: So the opening shot starts off with Scarlett Johansson on her bed.
• 22:05
  know booty ass shot right and she spends a lot of time wearing
• 22:09
  just those underwear
• 22:10
  in the movie um and it does a good job of introducing the
• 22:14
  characters right away it
• 22:15
  pans so you've got this static ass shot and the movie's telling
• 22:19
  you okay it's going
• 22:19
  to be something about sex or sexuality or attention to it right
• 22:26
  and then right away
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: it cuts to bill murray our buddy bob
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: landing in Tokyo and getting in a cab and being driven to the hotel.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: And right away,
• 22:38
  it goes from a shot to complete disorientation because he comes
• 22:43
  off the airport and
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: he catches that,
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: hectic,
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: my God,
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm in fucking Japan.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's,
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: literally a shot,
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: shot from outside the cab showing him through the back window of the cab.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_03: And it's at night.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_03: So, like, all the lights are on in Tokyo.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_03: And just the colors and the flashing.
• 23:06
  And Bill Murray even looks out the window and he says something like,
• 23:11
  he says,
• 23:11
  wow.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: Or you can just tell he's awestruck.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just neon lights, skyscrapers, massive city.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: There's shots of the Tokyo Tower.
• 23:21
  If you're not familiar with the Tokyo Tower,
• 23:22
  guys,
• 23:22
  the Tokyo Tower is basically the...
• 23:26
  eiffel tower but in tokyo and it's painted orange and white um
• 23:30
  but i think it's a
• 23:31
  two-scale exact copy of it if i remember correctly um and he's
• 23:37
  you know he's
• 23:37
  driving towards the hotel and it was just this hectic you know
• 23:40
  just japan crap
• 23:42
  everywhere you know like just you know neon lights and a
• 23:47
  million cars and trains
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: crisscrossing and he gets there
• 23:51
  And right away he's like assaulted almost or like accosted by
• 23:56
  his handlers and they
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: shower him with gifts,
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: which is a very Japanese kind of tradition.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: You're supposed to give gifts.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I guess.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_03: And they're handing him all the business cards.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: Japanese people are like the Patrick Bateman of the world.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: They love to give out business cards.
• 24:13
  Every single Japanese person that has a job has a business card
• 24:16
  and they hand out
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: business cards.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: You hand them out with two hands and you take them with two hands.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: You're supposed to look at them and acknowledge them.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then put them away.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: It has to be like this whole ritual of like, I saw your card.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 24:30
  I'm going to store it away into my wallet or in my specific
• 24:33
  card holder that they sell at Daiso.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 24:37
  And so he gets these cards,
• 24:39
  get these gifts,
• 24:40
  and he's ushered to his room.
• 24:43
  uh this scene is kind of intercept interspect and intertwined
• 24:47
  with um charlotte
• 24:50
  looking out the window overlooking the city and they're at the
• 24:53
  height in tokyo the
• 24:54
  tokyo height and it's a skyscraper hotel and it's overlooking
• 24:58
  tokyo the great
• 24:59
  greater tokyo metropolitan area and she's kind of feeling
• 25:03
  overwhelmed and sad
• 25:05
  And it really gives you this place where,
• 25:08
  like,
• 25:08
  we're not in Kansas anymore.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Dorothy, we're in fucking Japan.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah,
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_03: I mean,
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: even that,
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 25:15
  just the first five minutes when Bill or Bob Harris gets into
• 25:20
  the elevator,
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: he's,
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_03: two feet taller than every single person in the elevator.
• 25:24
  And then there's,
• 25:25
  like,
• 25:26
  the infamous shot of him sitting on the bed in his little robe.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: And he has the slippers on, which, like...
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_03: Anybody who's been to Japan knows about the slippers.
• 25:38
  But his feet are just like hanging out these slippers because
• 25:43
  they're too big.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: So it's just he's obviously like a fish out of water there kind of thing.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 25:49
  And then that's the next kind of beat in the movie is that it
• 25:56
  compares and
• 25:57
  contrasts the two characters through their relationships with
• 26:01
  their wives and husband.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: So right away, Bob gets a fax from his wife.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: And it says something like, you missed your son's recital.
• 26:16
  Yeah,
• 26:16
  along with some specs for some of the renovations they're doing
• 26:20
  at home or whatever.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: Which is a really shitty thing to think about,
• 26:24
  which kind of right away paints her in a very negative light
• 26:27
  because you're like,
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: okay,
• 26:28
  this guy's out here doing something to make $2 million for his
• 26:32
  career and for
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: probably what's paying for that house back home,
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: supposedly,
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: And he's not really happy to be here in the first place.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: He feels completely disillusioned with his career.
• 26:44
  And she felt it necessary to send him a fax about him missing
• 26:50
  his son's recital.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: Which, you think about it like, this guy's an actor.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: He was a famous actor in the 70s.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: And now he's doing whiskey commercials in Japan.
• 27:05
  so he's probably not at the peak of his acting you know and and
• 27:10
  now his wife's
• 27:11
  rubbing it in that like oh you missed your son's thing well
• 27:13
  like come on of course
• 27:14
  he's going to miss his thing because like he's got to take this
• 27:17
  job in japan you
• 27:19
  know like that he probably doesn't want to do so right away you
• 27:23
  kind of like
• 27:23
  understand that his wife's kind of shitty or at least
• 27:26
  inconsiderate or at least
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: they're not on the same page and this is contrasted with
• 27:33
  Scarlett Johansson and Giovanni Ribisi and their relationship
• 27:37
  where he is very like
• 27:40
  on he just very he's he's this artistic kind of photographer
• 27:46
  guy who's very
• 27:47
  consumed with his own his own thing you know was that would
• 27:52
  that be a good like how
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: do you how do you read him and what's his deal
• 27:56
  I don't know I feel like yeah well he did say she she did um
• 28:01
  Charlotte did say that
• 28:02
  she like came along with him because she had nothing else to do
• 28:07
  but I I like got
• 28:08
  the vibe um just because of like some interactions with other
• 28:11
  characters later on
• 28:12
  in the movie that he's just you know like you mentioned before
• 28:17
  maybe a little more
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: shallow than her maybe not as intelligent or um into the same thing um
• 28:26
  I don't know he just seems kind of like in a hurry he
• 28:29
  definitely like doesn't stop
• 28:31
  to he's definitely like not appreciating what's going on in the
• 28:36
  moment he he has no
• 28:37
  desire to like go explore with her none of that is even
• 28:42
  mentioned between either of
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: them and um
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_03: She's kind of,
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_03: throughout the movie,
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: doing those things solo or eventually with Bob Harris.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: And he's a photographer.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: He's doing, you know, photography for, like, bands and stuff.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: And he seems very...
• 29:04
  she feels like a third wheel almost to his career or to you
• 29:07
  know she's she's there
• 29:08
  along for the ride you find out later that she's unemployed
• 29:12
  she's a she majored in
• 29:14
  philosophy in um in college or whatever and uh he calls her
• 29:21
  rude or mean a lot of
• 29:22
  times like she's like almost stuck up because yeah she she says
• 29:28
  he thinks that
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: she's snotty
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and she's very, like, she's not flashy.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: She's kind of like a Daria character almost,
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 29:38
  a very 1990s stereotype Daria character where she's kind of
• 29:42
  like the smart girl.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_03: She's, like, very pragmatic and just...
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 29:47
  She comes off as a smart girl that like her focus isn't really
• 29:51
  on the financial or
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: glamour of what he is doing,
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: which is like fancy photography stuff.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: And she's just kind of there for the ride to enjoy.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: And she just kind of wants to be with him.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: But he kind of sees her as like a,
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: like a third wheel or like a hanger on her in a way.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the movie finishes the first night and hops on to the next day.
• 30:18
  And the next day kind of cuts between Bob Harris' and
• 30:23
  Charlotte's day out in Japan,
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: their first day.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: And Bob Harris is, he's doing a Suntory shoot, right?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Which is a very comedic scene.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of like, I'm sure you guys have seen the memes of...
• 30:37
  bill murray holding the whiskey in the james bond kind of
• 30:41
  outfit and and going like
• 30:43
  you know oh it's some toy time you know and he's like and he
• 30:47
  like points and he
• 30:48
  does the james bond kind of hams it up uh the whole time he's
• 30:52
  frustrated you know
• 30:53
  there's a language barrier uh there's this great scene which
• 30:58
  probably gets
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: I've read things online where people have read it as racist or not good,
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: nice towards Japanese people,
• 31:09
  where the director and the translator are talking for five
• 31:12
  minutes and then she
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: translates it with two words.
• 31:16
  It's ridiculous because Sofia Coppola has lived in Japan for
• 31:20
  many years once she
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: filmed this movie.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: And that is absolutely accurate.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: If you are a foreigner in Japan,
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: you go there,
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: you talk to somebody,
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: and they spill out like a hundred words at you.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: And you're like, what did you just say?
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: And then when you translate it, it's like, please open the door.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: But it sounds like this angry rant.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: And there's kind of some language barrier jokes going on.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, he eventually heads home.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: He does the cheesy, like, James Bond whiskey scene.
• 31:56
  Meanwhile,
• 31:57
  while he's doing that,
• 31:59
  Scarlett,
• 32:01
  Charlotte,
• 32:01
  right,
• 32:02
  is...
• 32:03
  Charlotte Johansson.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: Charlotte Johansson, right.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: She's Scar, Scar, Scar Jo, isn't that what the tabloids call her?
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Scar Jo.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: Scar Jo.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: She's walking around Tokyo and she,
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: she's,
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: she's visiting one of the places she visits.
• 32:19
  And it's kind of important is she visits like the emperor
• 32:23
  shrine in Tokyo.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: And that was the.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: Meiji Jingu.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: The Meiji Jingu shrine.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: And she witnesses.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: What is she?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: It was like some, some priests doing like a ceremony.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_03: There's like the monks doing like.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: They're, they're chanting.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:41
  They're doing their thing,
• 32:43
  doing their chanting,
• 32:43
  doing their incense thing.
• 32:45
  And there's a scene of her back in the hotel and she calls her
• 32:48
  friend who kind of blows her off.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: But she says, I didn't feel anything.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't feel anything.
• 32:56
  And there's an implication that she came out here to kind of
• 33:00
  find herself or maybe
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: like discover a kind of an existential spirituality.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: And she just didn't feel anything when she went to the shrine.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: she starts crying.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: She's kind of bummed out about it.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: She's kind of alone.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: She stubs her toe and breaks her foot, basically, in that scene.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that there's a significance to that.
• 33:30
  It's interesting that you said you think she came to Japan to
• 33:36
  find herself,
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_03: but the way that I...
• 33:40
  take that scene because that's one of my favorite scenes in the
• 33:43
  movie where she's
• 33:44
  like she calls up her friend and her friend her friend
• 33:47
  obviously is like busy with
• 33:49
  a child back home or whatever she tells her to hold on while
• 33:53
  like charlotte's kind
• 33:55
  of having a crisis and like needs somebody to talk to but um
• 33:59
  anyway i think that
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: she like
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_03: almost realized after the fact that, like, she hadn't felt anything.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_03: That she was, like, almost like, what's wrong with me?
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like, why can't I feel anything?
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like she also kind of,
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_03: feels like that in her marriage or just,
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 34:21
  about anything in her life at that point because I get the
• 34:30
  feeling that she is,
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_03: trying really hard to...
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like, make it work with her marriage.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: Because,
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_03: she has conversations later on with Bob Harris about,
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: does marriage get easier?
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_03: And she's been married for two years, she says.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_03: But, like, I don't know.
• 34:50
  She definitely,
• 34:51
  like,
• 34:52
  you know,
• 34:52
  like you said,
• 34:52
  she's trying to find herself.
• 34:55
  But I think that that is,
• 34:59
  like,
• 34:59
  almost like the moment she realizes how bad...
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_03: like she's kind of hurting inside.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: How lost, like lost she is.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: That makes perfect sense.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that there's,
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: there's this expectation in intelligent college educated people,
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: people that put value on travel that,
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: You're,
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: you're kind of,
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: and I feel like maybe I felt this when I was young,
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: younger in my early twenties,
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: teen,
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: like late teens,
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 35:33
  Where I'm going to go out into the world and I'm going to go to
• 35:36
  these foreign
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: places and it's going to change.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm going to feel something.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to feel something.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 35:41
  And here she is in one of the most alien of places compared to
• 35:45
  the United States.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: And Japan is, Japan is an interesting place because
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: In a lot of ways, it's very similar to the United States.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: Economically, it's very similar.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: You don't,
• 35:58
  it's not like going to like Uzbekistan where you're going to
• 36:01
  use a squatty potty
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: and like,
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: not find food,
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: at the store,
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: that kind of stuff.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's very civilized.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's very civilized.
• 36:10
  It's very like everything you have in the United States,
• 36:14
  you have in Japan.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: Some things are actually better in Japan than in the United States.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yet everything is completely fucking alien.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: And it is a culture that unlike, you know, you and I have been to Europe.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: We've been to Europe and I've traveled.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: And Europe is alien in a way, but very similar.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like we were just in Romania a year ago.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_03: Because of like the Western culture of it.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_03: Because Asian culture is just...
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_03: fundamentally different.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like, when we went to Romania last, what was last year now?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: We went there a year and a half ago or something like that.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't really feel that much different than the United States.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was very different
• 37:00
  time it was very similar because there was like this baseline
• 37:04
  western civilization
• 37:05
  thing to it you know where the the norms the cultural norms
• 37:10
  kind of shared a
• 37:11
  baseline assumption right it's like almost like the like the
• 37:15
  heartbeat and the
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_03: rhythm are like you do you do the same things whereas like
• 37:22
  for example like in japan like you are expected to take your
• 37:27
  shoes off when you
• 37:28
  walk in the door like just little things like that or leave
• 37:32
  your umbrella inside
• 37:33
  that little thing right right like anything anything like that
• 37:37
  it's just it's like
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_03: just little micro things that are so different but if you are
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: you know, born into Japanese culture.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_03: That's just how it is.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like if we were to move to Bucharest right now or like Paris,
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: we would probably acclimate to life there in like a week.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: But Japan took us like three years to feel like we lived there properly.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_03: That was our dog mooing.
• 38:11
  star uh star of the show by the way um yeah and that's the
• 38:18
  interesting thing is
• 38:19
  like everything's the same but everything is baseline different
• 38:23
  but yeah that scene
• 38:24
  itself she found she it definitely defined what she was there
• 38:31
  for she was there to
• 38:32
  kind of like she was expecting something maybe maybe she was
• 38:36
  expecting a connection
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: with giovanni rubisi
• 38:40
  yeah yeah like maybe that was like her way of trying to feel
• 38:44
  close to him but he
• 38:46
  like that obviously wasn't on his agenda right right right
• 38:49
  right well so meanwhile
• 38:51
  while she's crying in her room uh we got another iconic scene
• 38:56
  in the movie which is
• 38:57
  the rip my stockings oh yeah my stockings right so bob goes
• 39:03
  into his room and uh he
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: hasn't here here's a knock on his door
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: And a Japanese woman is in his door.
• 39:11
  And she's dressed in like a casual business slash slut or
• 39:16
  something like that.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_03: Can you say slut?
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we can say slut on this podcast.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she's got like, you know, her little...
• 39:26
  her her stockings on and her skirt and like a white collared
• 39:30
  shirt and she's like
• 39:32
  she definitely she like looks like a japanese business woman
• 39:37
  but she's like mr yuki
• 39:38
  sent me to fulfill your fantasies mr kazu mr kazu sent me to
• 39:43
  fulfill your fantasies
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_03: she said mr kazu sent premium fantasy premium which is
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: Very Japanese.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, premium fantasy.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: Not like ultra fantasy, just premium fantasy.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's multiple levels of fantasy.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: He got like the premium.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that's the highest level of fantasy.
• 40:05
  Well,
• 40:08
  I didn't understand that scene when I first watched the movie
• 40:10
  when I was younger,
• 40:11
  but...
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's like basically consensual, non-consent, wink, wink, you know?
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: That was his fantasy.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, lip my stocking.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_03: And he's like, lip them?
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, lip my stocking.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_00: And she's yelling at him.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then she like rolls on the ground.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: And she's doing the dead cockroach thing.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she's like, don't touch me, please, no.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like fighting him off, but like pulling him closer.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_03: And it's hilarious.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: But he's just like eye rolling the whole time.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now, so that's a funny scene, but that's an important scene, right?
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's an important scene from a masculine male perspective, right?
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: What that scene does,
• 40:54
  the fact that he finds it absurd and the fact that he rejects
• 40:57
  the prostitute is
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: important because that lays the foundation that
• 41:05
  that Bob is having an existential crisis,
• 41:07
  but it's not about one,
• 41:09
  about banging chicks.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: He's not interested.
• 41:12
  If,
• 41:12
  if he was the kind of guy that's like,
• 41:14
  oh,
• 41:14
  I'm so tired of being married.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: I just want to go bang chicks like I used to in my movie star days.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he, he would just, I would have been like, cool.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'll get to bang this cooker.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: That was free.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: And yay.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Japan.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and he would just, he would have lipped her stockings.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: He would have lipped her stockings and be bald,
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: balls deep in all the mama songs all over the place.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: But he wasn't.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, no, I'm not interested.
• 41:36
  Like what that says is his existential crisis was not one of
• 41:41
  sexual desire,
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: but one of existential spiritual desire or emptiness.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: So he rejects her.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: And then he does the thing that we all do is we go to the bar.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: And there's another scene earlier,
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: maybe it's before this one or another one,
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: where Scar Jo and Giovanni are in the hotel lobby.
• 42:05
  I think it's right before she goes out and sees the temple
• 42:09
  where they run into this actress.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: Who's the actress?
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's Anna Faris.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_03: She's like, I always think of her from Scary Movie.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: She's just, I've never seen that movie.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, you can't, you can't watch it now.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's like aged probably really poorly,
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_03: but you know,
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_03: she's a comedian and she's really goofy and she plays this part.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_03: She's so cringy.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: Right, she's a total locale, basically, in this, right?
• 42:44
  And she's an actress from Los Angeles coming to Tokyo to
• 42:50
  promote her movie that she
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: did with Johnny Depp.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_03: No, Keanu Reeves.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: Keanu Reeves, sorry, not Johnny Depp, Keanu Reeves.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I think Keanu Reeves is a great actor.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_03: Keanu Reeves is...
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_03: Probably just a really great human.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, his greatest role of all time.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_03: You're going to say it.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to say it.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: Keanu Reeves' greatest role is none of his movies,
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: but it is Johnny Silverhand in Cyberpunk 2077.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_03: And there it is.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: And there it is.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: Which,
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: by the way,
• 43:24
  this movie does remind me of Cyberpunk 2077 because it's in
• 43:27
  Tokyo and there's a lot
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: of Japanese stuff.
• 43:30
  um and so they're in the lobby and they meet anna faris and
• 43:35
  this chick has crazy
• 43:37
  eyes i mean she's one of those girls that has crazy eyes like
• 43:40
  full-blown like vapid
• 43:42
  crazy eyes she's probably like a high iq intelligent person in
• 43:46
  their life but as an
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: actress she has insane eyes period
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: And she's this vapid blonde girl who did a,
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: a karate movie with Keanu Reeves and she's friends with Giovanni Ribisi,
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, oh my God, you know, you're here.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my God, you're the best photographer ever.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: You should take my photos and blah, blah.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: And she, you know, you kind of get a little bit of character development.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, oh, if you need to find me, I'm under Evelyn Waugh.
• 44:16
  right and anybody that you know reads books knows that evan law
• 44:20
  is a a male all
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: right and he's this he's this very conservative british writer um
• 44:28
  And as soon as she leaves,
• 44:31
  Charlotte's like,
• 44:32
  you know,
• 44:32
  Evelyn Wall's a man,
• 44:33
  right?
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: And Giovanni Ribisi kind of, like, rebukes her.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, stop being such a jerk.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: You don't always have to be like that.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's just a pseudonym, you know?
• 44:42
  And that kind of sets the character of,
• 44:44
  like,
• 44:44
  obviously Charlotte's well-read.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: She's not an idiot.
• 44:48
  And she obviously is not interested in,
• 44:50
  like...
• 44:51
  I mean,
• 44:52
  that whole scene,
• 44:52
  she's,
• 44:53
  like...
• 44:56
  she's like her face she's like what like who is this annoying
• 44:59
  bitch yeah like and
• 45:01
  then like that's a whale oh my god and then um giovanni
• 45:10
  charlotte's husband is like
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_03: playing you know going along with anna faris's character
• 45:18
  And the whole scene,
• 45:19
  like,
• 45:20
  it makes me,
• 45:21
  like,
• 45:21
  secondhand embarrassed to watch.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right, because it's like, this is cringy.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_03: And she's like, I have the worst BO right now.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: And he's like, ooh.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_03: And it's just so crazy.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of sets him as a kind of a shallow dude, you know.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: Fake.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of fake, right?
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's like, deep down, he probably knows that she's a complete...
• 45:42
  just dumb head you know and uh but he doesn't want to say
• 45:47
  anything like that or he
• 45:48
  doesn't want to be a jerk and he kind of like you know he he's
• 45:53
  obviously frustrated
• 45:54
  with charlotte because she's not playing that kind of game and
• 45:58
  he's into that game
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: of you know star fucking basically uh
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: being like, you know, he's part of that industry.
• 46:07
  So he has to play along with the movie industry and like the
• 46:11
  fakeness of it.
• 46:13
  And there's another very interesting scene that is kind of
• 46:18
  followed up in this kind
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: of first day in Tokyo,
• 46:21
  which Charlotte is walking to the hotel and she walks into a
• 46:29
  class where these
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: Japanese women are doing Japanese flower arrangements.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_03: Ikebana.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_00: Is that what it's called?
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_00: Say that one more time.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_03: Ikebana.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: Ikebana.
• 46:40
  and they kind of bring her into it and she starts arranging
• 46:45
  flowers and i thought i
• 46:47
  made a note when i was watching the movie i thought that like
• 46:50
  that kind of
• 46:51
  represented exactly what she was doing there she was kind of
• 46:56
  trying to find her
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: life and arrange her life
• 47:02
  and the fact that it's living flowers like plants which is like
• 47:06
  kind of like growth
• 47:08
  and she's kind of trimming her life in a way you know and
• 47:12
  that's kind of what she
• 47:13
  was doing in japan on in this trip and i thought that was very
• 47:18
  interesting because
• 47:19
  there's all this chaos outside this that room you know there's
• 47:23
  this crazy like you
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: know
• 47:27
  just wildness of tokyo and she's in the silent room with these
• 47:31
  women in kimonos or
• 47:33
  cutting kimonos so yukata is more casual and a kimono is
• 47:41
  something you'd wear to
• 47:42
  like a formal occasion like a wedding or a tea ceremony yukatas
• 47:48
  um you would wear
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_03: they're more short-sleeved
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_03: Weird.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_03: They're short-sleeved and usually linen.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_03: And you'd wear them to like festivals or usually summertime happenings.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: If I remember right,
• 48:09
  you could actually tell if a woman is married or not based on
• 48:13
  how she binds her kimono.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's actually by the length of their sleeves for a kimono.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_03: And then the way you bind it, I think it's...
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know for sure,
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_03: but if you,
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_03: there's a specific way that you would put the,
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_03: like the,
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_03: what would you call it?
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: The hemline?
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_03: The front opening.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like,
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_03: I think if the,
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_03: one of them is like what you would wear to like a funeral,
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_03: if like the left side is on top or,
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but there's a lot of, there's a lot of like ceremony and tradition.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like symbolism to certain things.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, for sure.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_03: And like a kimono usually has like
• 48:56
  a second layer inside and um they're made out of like more
• 49:01
  expensive material like
• 49:02
  silk or a lot heavier yeah so a lot of times when you see uh
• 49:08
  japanese movies or you
• 49:10
  know you even watch like stuff like like avatar or something
• 49:14
  which is not really
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: japanese it's american
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: but it kind of uses Japanese influences and stuff.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_00: You're actually not seeing kimonos.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody thinks that anything that looks like that is a kimono.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of times it's not a kimono.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually a ukada.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_00: Ukada, yeah.
• 49:28
  Which is like the more formal,
• 49:31
  that more informal kind of like everyday wear.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_03: More casual.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's more of like more bathrobey, I guess.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: Usually shorter sleeved.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: More summery.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: You can wear around.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because...
• 49:46
  Japan gets really hot and humid in the summer and you do not
• 49:50
  want to walk around in a kimono.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they're happy and they're fancier.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_03: On that note though,
• 50:00
  the woman who guides her over to the flower arrangement is an
• 50:06
  older woman and I
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_03: think that that is also very symbolic too.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I didn't think about that.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she's an older woman and
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_03: One thing I want to note,
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_03: too,
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_03: is that in Japan,
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_03: from my experience,
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_03: especially with,
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_03: well,
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_03: not particularly older people,
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_03: but just Japanese people are very,
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_03: very welcoming,
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_03: and they just want to show you their culture and,
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_03: how to do...
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_03: I used to go on these hikes,
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_03: and there's a woman...
• 50:41
  who would lead them and she was a Japanese woman and she spoke
• 50:44
  English really well
• 50:46
  and she would take us to different shrines and temples and
• 50:49
  different heights and
• 50:50
  she would um show us just like we did like um different like
• 50:59
  ceremonies with her
• 51:01
  and she was she would always explain everything in detail and
• 51:05
  they're just so proud
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_03: of their culture and um
• 51:09
  they they don't like gatekeep anything you know they they want
• 51:13
  you to be part of it
• 51:14
  because they're just so proud of it right and they really want
• 51:18
  to share their
• 51:18
  culture with you like if you show interest if you if you live
• 51:22
  there and you or are
• 51:24
  traveling to japan and you take the even the barest level of
• 51:28
  interest in learning
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: the language or attempting to speak basic you know phrases uh they're
• 51:37
  some of the most open people they're not rude about it and they
• 51:40
  you know i remember
• 51:42
  one time you know so the way the the way we moved into japan is
• 51:49
  i ended up getting
• 51:50
  a job there having to work there and uh because of the japan is
• 51:56
  an island and they
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: don't have any rabies on the island
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um,
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: and if you are to move a dog to Japan,
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: your dog has to be quarantined for a certain amount of time.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: And because of the way my job worked out,
• 52:10
  I had to go there about three months ahead of you because you
• 52:13
  had to stay behind
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: and quarantine our dogs.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_03: Quarantine on six months and you, I stayed behind for three months.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I got there about three months early and what I did when,
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: when I got there,
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: I got there in the winter.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: It was cold and kind of miserable and very alienating to be honest.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's why maybe this movie connects with me.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: I connect with this movie a lot.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um,
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: I would just get on the train and I would just,
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_00: get off of random train stations and just walk into random places.
• 52:48
  And I remember I got our Japanese house,
• 52:52
  which is very alien compared to an American house.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: They're architecturally very different than an American house.
• 53:01
  and uh because i you weren't there yet i didn't get any
• 53:05
  furniture so like the
• 53:07
  entire downstairs of our house like the kitchen like what you
• 53:11
  would consider the
• 53:12
  living room area was just empty i had like a tv stand a
• 53:16
  television a playstation
• 53:19
  in a chair and I would just sit there in the cold playing like
• 53:22
  Witcher 3 you know
• 53:24
  all night yeah like when I got there it was like the saddest
• 53:27
  little bachelor pad
• 53:28
  ever yeah well because I didn't want to go to this I wanted to
• 53:31
  wait for you to get
• 53:31
  there so you can like pick out the furniture remember our
• 53:34
  Japanese couch had this
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_03: great we had like a like a chartreuse
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_03: Is that the, like, lime green?
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was lime green.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_03: Lime green.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: Why did we pick a lime green couch?
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_03: Because I was like, we're only going to be here for a little while.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_03: We have to...
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_03: we have to get the green couch.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_00: I loved it.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: We ended up selling it because it was too small for an American.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:59
  It was like very low to the ground,
• 54:00
  but it was like a,
• 54:02
  it was like a,
• 54:02
  it was a sectional.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_03: It took up our entire living room.
• 54:07
  It was small for,
• 54:08
  it was big for Japan,
• 54:09
  small for the United States,
• 54:11
  right?
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: It was like half the size of our couch right now.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_00: I remember when I slept on it when I,
• 54:16
  when you were pregnant and I had to go downstairs and sleep on
• 54:18
  the couch by myself
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: because it's
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah,
• 54:27
  like I remember living there on my own kind of feeling very
• 54:30
  alienated and I would
• 54:32
  walk around our neighborhood and all neighborhoods in Japan are
• 54:35
  built around a
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: train station.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of how,
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: you...
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's train stations,
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: and that's the name of the train station.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: We lived in Kinugasa.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_00: We lived off of Kinugasa Station in Yokosuka,
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: Japan,
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: which is like a suburb of greater Tokyo metropolitan area,
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: sort of.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 55:00
  every you like you know the other place where it kind of felt
• 55:03
  the same was chicago
• 55:05
  people in chicago tend to like tell you where they live off the
• 55:08
  l train line so
• 55:10
  they're like oh i live off of diversity station you know that's
• 55:12
  how you like meet
• 55:12
  people at bar and they're like oh i live off diversity and you
• 55:15
  know where diversity
• 55:16
  station is so you kind of know the neighborhood around that
• 55:18
  station it's very
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_00: similar in japan and uh sorry and um
• 55:25
  i remember getting out of the train station one night and i
• 55:27
  went to this bar and it
• 55:29
  was like uh i walked in and it was like the wild west thing
• 55:34
  right you know it was
• 55:34
  like everything stops and i'm just like a white dude in like a
• 55:41
  taxi driver military
• 55:43
  jacket you're definitely very aware of yourself yeah and a
• 55:46
  bunch of these old
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_00: japanese men and i'm like okay and i sit down and uh i'm like
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: Ichi namabiru, which means one draft beer.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_00: And that's one of the only words I ever learned in Japan.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_00: Namabiru.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's all you need to know, just how to order a beer.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_00: Everything else is just nonsense, right?
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like,
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: I pulled out my phone and I was like,
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: I pulled out Google Translate and I was like,
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_00: I just moved here.
• 56:16
  from america and i read it to them i showed the bartender and
• 56:19
  he's like oh and then
• 56:22
  i get a free beer and some guy buys me like a bunch of food and
• 56:25
  we all hang out and
• 56:25
  it's this great thing because i tried to speak japanese you
• 56:29
  know the bar culture is
• 56:31
  so good in japan because it's like you're you are always going
• 56:36
  to make a friend
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_03: The bartenders are great.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_00: Some of the best bartenders in the world.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it's Japanese people are the most kind of uptight,
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_00: strict,
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: very professional people during sunlight hours.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_03: I was going to say, until you get them in a bar.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then they get off of work at 7 o'clock at night.
• 56:58
  And they hit up the haunch or Yogi Park or wherever the hell
• 57:04
  they go to,
• 57:05
  you know?
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_00: The karaoke bar.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_00: The karaoke bar.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: The izakaya.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_00: And it just wilding out.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_00: They'll be there drinking until 4 in the morning.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_00: And they'll pass out on the train.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_00: Do it all over again.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: Remember when we saw that guy barf on the train?
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: That was pretty cool.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, my God.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_03: I think I tried to block that out.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_03: Because...
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, no.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_03: Just like this.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_03: I can still smell it.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_03: That poor guy.
• 57:31
  So one very interesting difference between American and
• 57:35
  Japanese culture is that
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_00: Japanese people don't hang out at home.
• 57:40
  As in,
• 57:41
  they don't do...
• 57:42
  You know,
• 57:43
  in American culture,
• 57:43
  we'd like...
• 57:44
  We have like cookouts.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we have cookouts.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_03: We're like, come over and we'll grill.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, come over.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: We'll hang out and watch a movie.
• 57:49
  We'll watch the Super Bowl and then we'll grill in the backyard
• 57:52
  or whatever.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_00: Japanese people don't do that.
• 57:55
  they don't really their homes their their living space where
• 58:00
  they sleep and they do
• 58:02
  like their personal stuff tends to be very private and not open
• 58:07
  to the world at all
• 58:09
  and um oftentimes if they live in a house they live with their
• 58:13
  elder relatives like
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_00: their parents or their in-laws or something like that
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_00: And they don't bring people over to their house at all.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_00: They don't have backyards.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like our backyard is like a dog room, basically.
• 58:31
  Yeah,
• 58:31
  some of them have like,
• 58:33
  it's more like a front garden usually or something like that.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's definitely not a place you hang out in.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_00: They don't do hang out at home type of thing.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's very personal in their space.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_00: But they make up for that by having two critical things, right?
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: One of them is the izakaya.
• 58:53
  And izakaya are these,
• 58:56
  they're kind of a mix between a bar and a restaurant.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_00: but they have private rooms.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: A good kind of visual example of one is if you watch Kill Bill Volume 1,
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_00: the place where Lucy Liu's character is hanging out with the crazy 88.
• 59:16
  And they're kind of in a private room behind those sliding
• 59:19
  screens and they're
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: eating by themselves.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's a restaurant that's separate by like individual rooms.
• 59:27
  The modern izakaya,
• 59:28
  you've got a bunch of people and they usually sit around.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_00: There's usually like digital screens where you can order.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's like small bites.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like small bites.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_03: And they're all really cheap.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_03: I think like one to four dollars for like small, like tapas almost.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_00: And they usually have karaoke too and that kind of stuff, right?
• 59:51
  So you kind of like rent out this communal space with a bunch
• 59:54
  of friends and you
• 59:55
  sit around and you order individual food because you pay for it
• 59:58
  as soon as you
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: order it on the little TV screen type thing,
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_00: little digital like iPad.
• 1:00:04
  and then the waitress brings it to you and you're hanging out
• 1:00:06
  there and you can
• 1:00:07
  spend they spend until like five in the morning in these places
• 1:00:10
  and they're just
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_00: like karaoke i'll share a bunch of bottles of sake and that's kind of the
• 1:00:16
  equivalent of like the living room it's almost like the formal
• 1:00:20
  informal living room
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_00: for japanese people
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_00: The other place that they have is the love hotels, right?
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: And what's a love hotel?
• 1:00:31
  Well,
• 1:00:31
  it's basically a cheap hotel you rent by the hour to bang your girlfriend,
• 1:00:36
  right?
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because your grandma and your mom and everybody live in the same house.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you can't bring her home.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_00: You can't bring her home.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_00: You just don't bring her home.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_03: And they're all different themed.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_03: And you pay very discreetly.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you pay by, like...
• 1:00:51
  there's like usually not like an actual person operating the
• 1:00:54
  front desk it's all
• 1:00:56
  like digital but um oh god let's get this tuberculosis i never
• 1:01:04
  we never went to a
• 1:01:04
  love hotel we never did that because we had a house yeah we
• 1:01:09
  should have gone to the
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: hotel
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_03: I know, I always wanted to see... I don't know.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of weird.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because they've never been awkward.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_00: They were sitting there, it's like jungle themed or something like that.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like, they probably have like mirrors on the ceiling.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like robot themed or something weird like that.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think that they actually have like...
• 1:01:27
  Like,
• 1:01:27
  a lot of those hotels have,
• 1:01:28
  like,
• 1:01:29
  self-serve,
• 1:01:31
  like,
• 1:01:32
  toy vending machines.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, like the robot dildo tentacle machine or something like that.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, totally.
• 1:01:38
  They're sterilized in,
• 1:01:39
  like,
• 1:01:40
  sterilization bags when you're done using them.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_00: You put them in the bag.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's reusable.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's reusable, right?
• 1:01:49
  like dildos rs but yeah that's where you where you take your
• 1:01:52
  date right you take
• 1:01:53
  your date to the love hotel you don't take your home which you
• 1:01:56
  know you know in a
• 1:01:58
  way that's kind of better i think i would have liked that when
• 1:02:00
  i was like a high
• 1:02:00
  schooler yeah it's pretty cool and they're like they're not
• 1:02:03
  expensive you're like
• 1:02:05
  hey we're gonna go party tonight then we're gonna go to the
• 1:02:08
  love hotel i'm gonna
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_00: pay 20 bucks for the night and we're gonna hang out here
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I guess you have that in the U.S., but it's, like, motel.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's, like, motel meth.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_00: it's,
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_00: some meth guy and some tweaker,
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_00: and then you're going to get arrested for sure.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_03: And then you're going to have, like, scabies or something.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_00: There used to be this,
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_00: really,
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 1:02:26
  shady motel at PCH and 2nd Street in Long Beach that we used to
• 1:02:29
  rent rooms and
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: partying in.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_00: And nothing ever good ever happened there.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_00: It was, like...
• 1:02:37
  One time,
• 1:02:37
  like,
• 1:02:38
  a acquaintance of ours,
• 1:02:40
  a close acquaintance,
• 1:02:42
  set it on fire.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: For real?
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, my God.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to mention his name because of legal reasons.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_00: And that place got torn down, and now it's, like, Trader Joe's.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know where that fancy Trader Joe's is over there?
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_00: It used to be this shady-ass, like, PCH motel type of thing.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know where I grew up.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so, yeah.
• 1:03:07
  think breaking bad but like yeah breaking bad but anyways where
• 1:03:14
  we're at so so
• 1:03:16
  charlotte is disillusioned with her wife uh her husband that
• 1:03:20
  she's been married to
• 1:03:20
  for two years is kind of like uninterested in her or frustrated
• 1:03:25
  with her she can't
• 1:03:26
  find herself meanwhile bob is not happy with his career not
• 1:03:30
  happy in his marriage
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_00: and they first meet each other actually briefly in the elevator
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_00: And the elevator scenes in this movie are very Japanese,
• 1:03:41
  where everybody's facing the same way and not saying a word to
• 1:03:44
  each other.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_00: Be very quiet, organized.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_00: Very, very proper.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_00: One of the things that's very,
• 1:03:51
  very much a culture shock to Americans going to Japan is when
• 1:03:55
  you ride the train or
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_00: the bus,
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_00: is that everybody is quiet.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_00: The bus rides, the train rides, it's like being a library.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's very, very quiet.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you can like literally sleep on there.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_00: And most people sleep on the train, right?
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_00: They're tired from work.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_00: There's no crazy messed up lunatic like in, you know.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's so organized and orderly and everybody.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's.
• 1:04:27
  all about respect like respect for like the community and the
• 1:04:31
  person next to you
• 1:04:33
  and you don't talk on your phone on the bus or the train that's
• 1:04:38
  like completely
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_03: rude um if you are a loud group of Americans you're gonna get side-eyed
• 1:04:46
  and shamed yeah well we used to walk on trains and whenever we
• 1:04:49
  saw other americans
• 1:04:50
  we used to walk to different yeah we used to go to different
• 1:04:52
  train car because
• 1:04:53
  we're like we don't want to be associated with those guys as
• 1:04:56
  soon as we saw white
• 1:04:57
  people or whatever or other races that are not from japan we
• 1:05:01
  would immediately like
• 1:05:03
  oh we're gonna go to this other train car we do not want to be
• 1:05:06
  well because it's
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_03: actually like shocking how many um
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'll just call out Americans, I guess.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_03: How many Americans just,
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_03: literally live in their own bubble and don't,
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_03: there's just no respect.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_03: They just, like, they don't read the room at all.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: But to be fair, the most annoying people in Japan are not Americans.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's Australians.
• 1:05:34
  Hmm.
• 1:05:35
  They tend to be everywhere in Japan and they're the most
• 1:05:37
  annoying people.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_00: They're like the American stereotype in Japan.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_00: There's tons of Australians everywhere in Tokyo.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_03: I don't remember.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_03: I don't remember the Australians in Japan.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_00: And they're drunk and they fight and they're like super obnoxious.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_03: I think you're thinking of Americans.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_00: But definitely,
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_00: honestly,
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_00: if we saw a white person,
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_00: a white person,
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_00: or like a Hispanic,
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_00: there's not any Hispanics in Japan,
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  SPEAKER_00: but if we saw any of those two,
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  SPEAKER_00: we're like,
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  SPEAKER_00: well,
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  we're going to go to a different train stop because we don't
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  want to be associated
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  SPEAKER_00: with loud,
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  SPEAKER_00: obnoxious fucking people,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know?
• 1:06:15
  And we don't want to be shamed by the Japanese mama-san who is
• 1:06:19
  going to give us the
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_00: death stare,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know?
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:06:25
  numerous times you've done that where we've changed train cars
• 1:06:28
  because Americans
• 1:06:30
  time to go somewhere else because you know in a bus in America
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  you walk in and
• 1:06:34
  there's like four people like arguing loudly one homeless guy
• 1:06:39
  that stinks like shit
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_00: and like is like passed down on the floor covered in piss
• 1:06:43
  there's like four people playing like rap on their fucking cell
• 1:06:47
  phones or something
• 1:06:47
  like that you know because you really need to listen to their
• 1:06:50
  shit you know and
• 1:06:51
  it's like it's like a nightmare to take public transportation
• 1:06:54
  in the u.s and that's
• 1:06:56
  why i would rather walk than you know but in japan you get into
• 1:07:00
  a bus or a train
• 1:07:01
  it's like you're in a library it's like a sacred quiet place
• 1:07:06
  even the bus drivers
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  SPEAKER_00: we used to joke around that the bus drivers would be
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  SPEAKER_00: They would sound so sleepy.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_00: They would be like these old men going, oh, Kirugasa Station.
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  yeah i was like asmr on the bus yeah like you you know and then
• 1:07:20
  like uh one of the
• 1:07:21
  weird kind of cultural things is that like you sit on the bus
• 1:07:25
  or a train and then
• 1:07:27
  some like japanese person sits next to you and then they put
• 1:07:30
  their head on your
• 1:07:30
  shoulder and go to sleep on your shoulder and i had i
• 1:07:35
  experienced i used to think
• 1:07:36
  that was kind of bullshit like i used to think that was like a
• 1:07:38
  weird like they
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_03: don't
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  they don't just like walk up to you and like lay their head on
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  you they like fall
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  asleep first and then like lay on to you but they they don't
• 1:07:51
  like intentionally do
• 1:07:53
  well i remember i took the bus one time and i'm sitting there
• 1:07:55
  and there's like
• 1:07:56
  teenage girl just like pass that on me i'm like uh this is
• 1:08:01
  weird and you just gotta
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_00: let him just my
• 1:08:07
  nope i just stood there like i'm like okay i'll just let this
• 1:08:11
  girl snore on me for
• 1:08:12
  the next yeah there's like 20 minutes there's like two types of
• 1:08:15
  sleepers on the
• 1:08:16
  train it's like the person who like fall like passes out and
• 1:08:20
  like leans on to the
• 1:08:21
  next person or the person who slumps forward onto their
• 1:08:24
  backpack yeah yeah onto
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_01: their their mega magma manga
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_03: They're maggots.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_00: What's that?
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_03: They're hentai.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_00: They're hentai, like, porno fucking cartoon or whatever.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, so... We haven't even talked about these movies.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 1:08:46
  What we need to talk about is we need to talk about,
• 1:08:49
  like,
• 1:08:49
  their night out.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_03: Like, when they go...
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_00: We'll get to that.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_00: So first of all, they see each other first in the elevator.
• 1:08:58
  Later that night,
• 1:08:59
  they're all at the bar,
• 1:09:00
  the hotel bar,
• 1:09:01
  which is a famous bar.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's a famous scene.
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's a beautiful scene.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's the Tokyo Hyatt, right?
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_00: You've actually been there, right?
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_03: I know it's the Hyatt in the movie, but I can't...
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_03: Is it actually the Hyatt?
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_00: I think it is the Hyatt in real life, too.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_03: Let me see.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's the Park Hyatt.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_03: And yes, I went there specifically because I love this movie so much.
• 1:09:26
  And I sat in the bar and I ordered the cheapest beer because
• 1:09:32
  all the drinks were
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_03: way too expensive for me at the moment.
• 1:09:36
  Do you remember when we had our friend visit us in Tokyo and he
• 1:09:40
  stayed at that swanky-ass hotel?
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_00: And we had a bartender with,
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_00: white gloves,
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_00: and I ordered a highball,
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_00: and he came out,
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_00: and he,
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_00: crushed the ice.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_00: And it was, like, $20 for, like, a drink.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I'll have five more of those.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_00: Put it on his tab.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_00: Put it on his tab.
• 1:10:01
  yeah um i remember that woody he stayed at the hotel right it
• 1:10:07
  was right across from
• 1:10:08
  the emperor's palace yeah some swag do you ask him it was nice
• 1:10:14
  yeah i'll tell you
• 1:10:16
  what like you are not going to get any better service than in
• 1:10:19
  japan like especially
• 1:10:20
  like in like the hospitality industry they are like all about
• 1:10:25
  making people feel
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_03: good and every little detail is just
• 1:10:29
  like chef's kids yeah well you know romania was pretty good too
• 1:10:33
  for hospitality for
• 1:10:34
  like the waiter waiters and stuff yeah that's true yeah like
• 1:10:38
  europe was pretty good
• 1:10:39
  overall um but yeah definitely japan like the bartenders are we
• 1:10:44
  used to go there's
• 1:10:46
  there's this there's this neighborhood in toki called drunken
• 1:10:50
  alley do you remember
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_00: that
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Golden guy, right?
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's called Drunken Alley.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_00: And it's this very, it's like this maze of very narrow alleys.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_00: They're called micro bars.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:11:01
  And they have these bars that are in these tiny like squashed
• 1:11:06
  together buildings and
• 1:11:08
  and sometimes to get into there was this one bar we'd go to all
• 1:11:11
  the time and the
• 1:11:14
  stairway to like this bar was like you had to like walk
• 1:11:18
  sideways as like an
• 1:11:19
  american person right right like if you're a fatty you're not
• 1:11:23
  getting into that bar
• 1:11:24
  it was like no fatties allowed in this bar like not because
• 1:11:26
  like they were mean but
• 1:11:27
  you just like couldn't fucking get into it i think me and you
• 1:11:31
  went in to that bar
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_03: one time so you go up like
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's probably like three floors up, honestly.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like the tiniest little bar.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_03: And it fit... I'm pretty sure that particular bar fit four adults.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it had four chairs in the bar.
• 1:11:48
  And the bartender that was always there,
• 1:11:51
  he probably owned the place,
• 1:11:52
  right?
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:11:53
  was uh a like roy orbinson as a vampire right he was just like
• 1:12:00
  i don't know i was
• 1:12:01
  drunk the the entire time in japan and this guy you know you
• 1:12:04
  you order a drink and
• 1:12:05
  it was like this like he would have this like perfect like uh
• 1:12:10
  uh like kind of
• 1:12:12
  routine where he'd make you drink and it was like but this bar
• 1:12:16
  only fit four people
• 1:12:19
  One of the things I remember noticing about Japan is that you
• 1:12:22
  had to think vertical in Japan.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_00: In the United States,
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_00: you think of stores,
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_00: bars,
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_00: restaurants,
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_00: businesses,
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_00: houses being on a very horizontal plane.
• 1:12:35
  but in japan a lot of things are like eight stories that eight
• 1:12:38
  stories up so you
• 1:12:39
  have to be like okay the bar i want to go to is actually not on
• 1:12:42
  the ground floor
• 1:12:44
  it's on the fifth floor and there's like seven other businesses
• 1:12:47
  under it or like
• 1:12:48
  even if you're just walking around looking for something to do
• 1:12:51
  you can't just look
• 1:12:52
  at ground level you have to like look at the sign and then
• 1:12:55
  usually you have to take
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_03: an elevator
• 1:12:58
  up to like that floor and like find the suite that you're
• 1:13:03
  looking for it makes no
• 1:13:05
  sense a lot of times like you'll have like like a pet store and
• 1:13:10
  above it is like a
• 1:13:10
  bar and above it is like a karaoke bar yeah totally like you
• 1:13:14
  can have there's it's
• 1:13:15
  so random just like random stuff like that i do you remember
• 1:13:21
  when we ended up in
• 1:13:21
  that weird bar with all those like yakuza looking dudes and you
• 1:13:25
  said karaoke oh
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_00: yeah that was in kamikara
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_00: And we were kind of exploring randomly.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_00: And we took like a weird back alley somewhere.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a complete shady back alley type of thing.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_00: And we walked up these weird stairs.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_00: And we found this bar.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_00: And we walked in.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_03: And it was a nice bar.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_00: It was a nice bar.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_00: But we were one of the youngest people in there.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody was an old dude in a suit.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_00: It was just like shady looking dudes in a suit.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_00: And we sat down and we're like, oh.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_00: No way.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_00: Then we were like, you know.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_03: Lemon sour.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_00: Lemon sour highball, you know.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_00: Old Japanese dude in a suit with some tattoos.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_03: Pretty sure they bought us, like, beer all night.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they made you sing karaoke.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I definitely did.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_00: I was like,
• 1:14:18
  you better sing damn good karaoke before these guys chop us up
• 1:14:21
  with their katanas
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_00: or something like that.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_03: I think I sang, like, Fiona Apple to them or something.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we basically entertained these old Japanese dudes in suits.
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_03: But then they sang.
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_00: And they sang, yeah.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then they gave us beer all night.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_00: And we're like, all right, cool.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_00: This works out.
• 1:14:38
  I remember when we left that bar,
• 1:14:40
  you could still hear them singing,
• 1:14:42
  like,
• 1:14:42
  down the street.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_00: so,
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_00: the first night in the movie,
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_00: after their first introduction to Tokyo,
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_00: they're in a bar.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_00: And Scar Jo is sitting with her husband, Giovanni.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:15:00
  and uh the annoying girl gavani the annoying girl right and
• 1:15:05
  affairs and then like
• 1:15:06
  there's like another dude there yeah some like fucking marky
• 1:15:10
  mark rapper white dude
• 1:15:12
  you know he's like talking about dropping beats and stuff and
• 1:15:15
  just real boring dude
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_00: and the whole time she's looking across the the bar and she sees uh
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Bob over there, right?
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_00: And he's wearing his James Bond outfit.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_03: He just got back from a shoot.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_00: He actually has the clips and he has the mascara on still.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he has the wardrobe clips on still.
• 1:15:40
  And he's,
• 1:15:40
  like,
• 1:15:41
  looking at her and pretending to,
• 1:15:42
  like,
• 1:15:42
  fall off the barstool as boredom.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like, being all bored and stuff.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_00: And she goes over there.
• 1:15:49
  Well,
• 1:15:50
  first she sends him a drink and then goes over there and sits
• 1:15:52
  down with him.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_00: And they have a little interaction.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_00: And she's the initiator, right?
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's the key thing, I think.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_00: She is the initiator of this relationship.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he noticed her first in the elevator.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_00: But she initiated.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't creep up on her.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_00: She creeped up on him in a way.
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think there was any creeping.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, maybe there was not any creeping.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_00: But she initiated this relationship, right?
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_00: So she goes over there.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, first she sends him a drink.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then she goes over there.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_00: And then the scene ends and it's the next day.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_00: During the next day,
• 1:16:30
  it's like a morning scene and she's in the hotel with Giovanni
• 1:16:33
  Ribisi and he's leaving.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_00: He's got to go to Fukuwaka or something like that.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_03: And he basically... He's like going to be gone for a couple of nights.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_00: And she's basically telling him like...
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_00: She basically...
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_00: she's like kind of like waffling whether she wants to go with him or not.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_00: But it's obvious that he does not want her to go with him.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_00: he does not want her to come along.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to be busy.
• 1:16:58
  He's going to be like doing his own photography thing and does
• 1:17:01
  not want her ass on this trip.
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_00: So he takes off.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile,
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_00: uh,
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_00: in Bob's world,
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_00: he gets invited to be on this like talk show,
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_00: like the Johnny Carson of Japan or something like that.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't really want to do it.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Oh, I want to do this, you know?
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes to do another photo shoot.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_00: And, um,
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_00: They end up meeting again at the bar,
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_00: and she comes down and sits next to him,
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_00: and she's like,
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_00: hey,
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going out with some friends.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, I'm going to come with you.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she invites him.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_00: She invites him, and he's like, yeah, fine, I'll come.
• 1:17:41
  And there's a funny scene where he comes up,
• 1:17:44
  and he's wearing,
• 1:17:44
  like,
• 1:17:45
  a orange camo,
• 1:17:46
  like,
• 1:17:47
  shirt or whatever yeah and she's like oh you really are having
• 1:17:51
  a midlife crisis and
• 1:17:52
  he's like oh hell no so he like turns the shirt inside out and
• 1:17:56
  puts like his blazer
• 1:17:57
  over it and they go out into tokyo and that's kind of like this
• 1:18:01
  is like where the
• 1:18:02
  movie takes on its middle stage right i think that before this
• 1:18:06
  scene you had their
• 1:18:08
  initial existential crisis and they explained who they are now
• 1:18:12
  we moved on to
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's like a long montage almost of like their night out.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_00: So at first they go to like a it's kind of a bar.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_03: Like an artsy kind of bar.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_00: With these floating balls everywhere.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_00: And they meet Charlie Brown.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_03: Which is Charlotte's friend.
• 1:18:34
  She like knows this Japanese dude from whatever and he's like
• 1:18:38
  introducing everybody
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_03: to everybody and
• 1:18:43
  and they basically spend the next like they spend the night
• 1:18:45
  just partying they're
• 1:18:46
  like they're in this bar and then they run out from the bar
• 1:18:50
  because like they're
• 1:18:51
  not like paying the tab or something well charlie brown he like
• 1:18:53
  makes the scene
• 1:18:54
  yeah and then they get kicked out and they're running through
• 1:18:57
  like roppongi which
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_00: is like kind of like the bar district of japan of tokyo
• 1:19:02
  and they get in a cab and they're all they ride to like this
• 1:19:06
  they end up in this
• 1:19:07
  karaoke they go to that dude's house yeah and they're talking
• 1:19:12
  about surfing they're
• 1:19:13
  basically hanging out with a bunch of like taking photos and
• 1:19:16
  it's just like a
• 1:19:17
  really sweet kind of like getting to know everybody bonding
• 1:19:21
  scene right they're
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_00: they're and they're they're very much like uh uh
• 1:19:28
  just kind of like this like uh hanging out with Japanese
• 1:19:31
  hipsters basically you
• 1:19:32
  know like these Japanese like derelict delinquent type of
• 1:19:36
  people they're like
• 1:19:37
  smoking weed yeah they're smoking weed and talking about
• 1:19:39
  surfing and listening to
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_00: great music yeah and uh
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_00: They end up at a karaoke bar and they sing.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_00: They all sing different songs.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_00: And that scene is critical, right?
• 1:19:54
  Because he sings a song and then she sings a song and then he
• 1:19:59
  really sings a song,
• 1:20:00
  right?
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_00: And what song he sings?
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_03: He sings... What is it?
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_03: More Than This.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_03: More Than This by Roxy Music.
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_03: And it's...
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_03: So beautiful.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's one of my favorite... I keep saying that.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, that's my favorite scene in the whole movie.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_03: The whole movie is my favorite scene.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_03: But the way she looks at him... Right.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_00: And in that scene, there's like... They connect.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's like that scene is where they go from, you know...
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_03: Friendship to like borderline romance.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Friendship to borderline romance, and they really connect, right?
• 1:20:36
  Now,
• 1:20:36
  remember,
• 1:20:37
  we're talking about a 20-year-old and a 50-something-year-old.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, major age gap.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_00: There's a huge age gap, right?
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_00: And they party some more,
• 1:20:47
  and there's this really iconic scene that tons of the stills
• 1:20:52
  from the movie capture
• 1:20:55
  SPEAKER_00: where she's sitting outside the karaoke room,
• 1:20:58
  Because they're in like,
• 1:20:59
  they run it out like the karaoke pod or like the karaoke room.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Which is like a very Japanese thing you do.
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_00: We did that one time where you guys sang Rock Lobster.
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my God, Rock Lobster.
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was pretty good.
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_03: Complete with like the dolphin sounds.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_00: And it's great because you can actually smoke in your karaoke pod.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_03: You can order food.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_00: And you can bring your own booze.
• 1:21:20
  SPEAKER_03: If there's heaven on earth, it's the karaoke pod, man.
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_00: So you run out of this little room,
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_00: and you can order all these drinks and food and stuff,
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_00: but you can also bring your own booze.
• 1:21:31
  SPEAKER_00: So you come with a bunch of bottles and stuff, and it's just a party.
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good time.
• 1:21:38
  But she's sitting outside his little karaoke pod and she's
• 1:21:41
  smoking a cigarette.
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_03: She has her pink bob wig on.
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_00: Very closer.
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_03: Which is interesting because that movie came out around the same time.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_03: It came out, I'm pretty sure it came out way after.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_03: Let me see.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_03: I'm going to look it up.
• 1:21:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, 2004.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_00: So it had around the same time.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_00: So that must have been like a weird cultural thing at that time,
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_00: like straight bangs,
• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_00: pink bangs.
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that pink bob.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I had one.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, everybody had one.
• 1:22:14
  girlfriend they had around that time was obsessed with that
• 1:22:17
  movie closer and like
• 1:22:19
  she was all into that pink wig yeah scene thing you know it's
• 1:22:23
  just so cute yeah
• 1:22:26
  also in blade runner blade runner kind of like does an homage
• 1:22:29
  to it the the new
• 1:22:30
  blade runner the whatever and it's uh one of the hairstyles in
• 1:22:36
  cyberpunk 2077 but
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_00: um
• 1:22:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they're like sitting there.
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's a silent scene.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_00: There's no talking.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_00: She's sitting there smoking a cigarette.
• 1:22:46
  He walks out and he sits next to her and he takes her cigarette
• 1:22:51
  and takes a hit off her,
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_00: which is a very sexual thing.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_03: And then she leans her head on his shoulder.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, very intimate thing, right?
• 1:22:57
  Smoking somebody else's cigarette,
• 1:22:58
  taking somebody's cigarette is very intimate.
• 1:23:00
  Well,
• 1:23:00
  that's like,
• 1:23:01
  yeah,
• 1:23:01
  that's like you guys are close friends or you're,
• 1:23:05
  yeah.
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_00: And the next scene is he's carrying her.
• 1:23:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, the next scene is they're in the cab.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_00: And he's asleep in the cab.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_00: And she's watching him.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Smiling.
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_00: She's watching him smiling.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_00: And he's passed out in the cab.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_00: And she's watching him smiling.
• 1:23:22
  SPEAKER_00: And the cab kicks him back to the hotel.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then the scene inverts.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_00: Now she's sleeping.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_00: She's completely passed out.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_00: He carries her up to her room, lays her in bed.
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_03: Covers her.
• 1:23:33
  SPEAKER_00: Covers her and turns off the light.
• 1:23:35
  SPEAKER_03: And then he, like, touches her before... Her shoulder.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he, like, touches her shoulder before he leaves, but he, like...
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that whole scene is, like, very intimate.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't know if you noticed,
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_03: but,
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_03: when he closes the door,
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_03: he,
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_03: checks it to make sure that it's...
• 1:23:50
  SPEAKER_00: Locked.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:23:52
  And it's a very interesting scene because it's almost a
• 1:23:54
  paternal scene in a way.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like a dad carrying his child to bed, kind of.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right, but at the same time, there's a sexual element to it, too.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_03: For sure, especially when she, like... She, like, wakes up and...
• 1:24:11
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 1:24:11
  she has like the bedroom eyes and looks up at him and smiles
• 1:24:15
  and it's almost like...
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's an awkward scene in a way.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_03: A little bit.
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's like he, you know, you know he wants to, but.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right, right.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_03: But he also, he's too, he wouldn't.
• 1:24:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:24:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:24:35
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_00: So he does that and he goes back to his room.
• 1:24:41
  And the first thing he does when he gets back to his room is
• 1:24:46
  call his wife.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_00: She's a bitch.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and in that conversation.
• 1:24:52
  Like,
• 1:24:53
  she's talking about the carpet or whatever,
• 1:24:55
  and he's like,
• 1:24:57
  I'm lost.
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_03: And he starts talking about how he wants to eat healthier and all this.
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_03: And it's,
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_03: almost like that night out with Charlotte inspired him to be,
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_03: a better person and take care of himself.
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:25:13
  And she kind of blows him off,
• 1:25:14
  has no time for him,
• 1:25:16
  and is kind of rude about it.
• 1:25:19
  SPEAKER_00: And all she's concerned about is, like, the carpet swatches.
• 1:25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like,
• 1:25:22
  SPEAKER_00: she sends them,
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_00: what kind of a crazy wife sends their husband carpet swatches to Japan?
• 1:25:29
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:25:31
  SPEAKER_00: She sends them, like, a, like, 20 different colored swatches.
• 1:25:36
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, oh, by the way, burgundy's my favorite.
• 1:25:39
  And if you look at all the colors that she sends them,
• 1:25:41
  they're all burgundy.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're, like, all shades of burgundy.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_03: But then he, like, is, like,
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, you were spot on.
• 1:25:50
  SPEAKER_03: The burgundy is like by far the best one.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_03: And then,
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_03: but during that conversation that we're talking about,
• 1:25:55
  she tells him that the burgundy isn't available and won't be
• 1:25:58
  available for 12 weeks.
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_03: So which, which one does he want?
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_03: And he was like, I just don't care, you know?
• 1:26:08
  he's like i'm thinking about i'm having an existential crisis
• 1:26:11
  in the fucking
• 1:26:11
  foreign country yeah and hanging out with a 17 year old well
• 1:26:14
  and then his wife is
• 1:26:15
  even like you know should i worry about you and he's like only
• 1:26:20
  if you want to and
• 1:26:21
  she's like i don't have time for this right now and it's really
• 1:26:23
  sad because like in
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_03: a way though like i can't help but like
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_03: I can't help but think about,
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_03: they should make a movie about,
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_03: the wife's perspective.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_03: Because I'm, like, curious about, like, what that dynamic is.
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, and that's actually what I was thinking of, too.
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, in a way, like, I don't hate the wife.
• 1:26:47
  SPEAKER_00: She's easy to hate.
• 1:26:49
  She's easy to hate because she's,
• 1:26:51
  like,
• 1:26:51
  she has,
• 1:26:51
  like,
• 1:26:52
  four lines in the movie.
• 1:26:54
  SPEAKER_03: Right,
• 1:26:55
  SPEAKER_03: and they're not very warm,
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_03: but,
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_03: also,
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_03: what,
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_03: what,
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_03: where did they,
• 1:27:00
  SPEAKER_03: when did they get to that point?
• 1:27:01
  SPEAKER_03: And,
• 1:27:01
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:27:01
  SPEAKER_03: but she's also at home with,
• 1:27:03
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:27:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm assuming two children because we know there's for sure a boy.
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_03: We know there's a girl.
• 1:27:09
  SPEAKER_00: The girl's a young baby.
• 1:27:11
  SPEAKER_00: Right, yeah.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_00: And we...
• 1:27:14
  I can empathize with the wife because she's stuck at home and
• 1:27:16
  her husband's out
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_00: there fucking Japan,
• 1:27:18
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_00: slinging whiskey and like,
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_00: hanging out with women,
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_00: in a way.
• 1:27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_00: In a way, I can almost empathize with Giovanni Ribisi, too.
• 1:27:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's got a career.
• 1:27:31
  SPEAKER_00: He's trying to...
• 1:27:32
  SPEAKER_00: He's trying to,
• 1:27:33
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 1:27:33
  SPEAKER_00: be this,
• 1:27:33
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 1:27:34
  SPEAKER_00: famous photographer,
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_00: trying to take pictures of these bands and stuff,
• 1:27:38
  SPEAKER_00: dealing with the same kind of shit that,
• 1:27:39
  SPEAKER_00: like...
• 1:27:40
  SPEAKER_00: In a way,
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_00: he's dealing with the same kind of stuff that Bob is dealing with,
• 1:27:44
  SPEAKER_00: but on the other end,
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_00: you know?
• 1:27:46
  The culture shock of,
• 1:27:47
  like,
• 1:27:47
  having to deal with,
• 1:27:48
  like,
• 1:27:48
  the fame culture of another culture...
• 1:27:53
  and he's got this kind of shitty wife that's like this
• 1:27:55
  philosopher you know that's
• 1:27:57
  like a bitch to everybody all the time you know so you kind of
• 1:28:01
  you can't blame
• 1:28:02
  giovanni ribisi and you can't blame bob's wife you know right
• 1:28:08
  um but at the same
• 1:28:11
  time both these people are having an existential crisis which
• 1:28:14
  kind of makes you
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_00: think that like maybe in a marriage
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_00: we have existential crises at the same time for different reasons.
• 1:28:24
  SPEAKER_03: For sure.
• 1:28:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 1:28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Cause that's actually what I was thinking.
• 1:28:29
  SPEAKER_00: The first time I,
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_00: the first few times I've watched the movie,
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_00: I immediately dismissed the wife completely.
• 1:28:36
  well yeah i mean you're like she's a bitch yeah but then when
• 1:28:42
  you have kids of your
• 1:28:43
  own and then you have a spouse who can be gone for long periods
• 1:28:49
  of time potentially
• 1:28:50
  and like that i don't know you're almost in like survivor mode
• 1:28:56
  and if you're
• 1:28:57
  renovating your house you want to get that shit done kind of
• 1:29:02
  thing and i mean
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_03: In a way, though, she is trying to include him, right?
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right, right.
• 1:29:08
  And maybe that is,
• 1:29:09
  like,
• 1:29:10
  her way of trying to connect with him and stay close.
• 1:29:12
  SPEAKER_03: And,
• 1:29:13
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:29:13
  SPEAKER_03: she is the one who calls and is like,
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_03: hey,
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_03: do you want to talk to Zoe,
• 1:29:18
  SPEAKER_03: your daughter,
• 1:29:18
  SPEAKER_03: or whatever?
• 1:29:22
  SPEAKER_03: But she definitely, like,
• 1:29:24
  comes off as very jaded and cold to him they're different
• 1:29:28
  they're definitely
• 1:29:29
  disconnected yeah you know there's a definitely a disconnect
• 1:29:33
  between them and but
• 1:29:35
  SPEAKER_00: yeah like today tonight when i watched it i actually almost
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't understand the wife.
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't agree with her.
• 1:29:43
  And I obviously,
• 1:29:44
  because the way the perspective of the movie is,
• 1:29:46
  you're not supposed to.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:29:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I did in a way.
• 1:29:49
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:29:50
  And I also,
• 1:29:50
  I also understand Giovanni Ribisi's character where it's like,
• 1:29:56
  here,
• 1:29:56
  I'm here.
• 1:29:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm in Japan because I was hired to do this job.
• 1:30:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well, he's like figured his shit out.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, I'm a photographer.
• 1:30:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like he's clearly good enough to be flown around the world.
• 1:30:10
  to photograph bands for whatever reason he's making good money
• 1:30:15
  you know and um and
• 1:30:18
  then he has a spouse who i mean she's listening to like
• 1:30:23
  self-help on tape which
• 1:30:24
  like there's nothing wrong with that but like she's definitely
• 1:30:27
  got her issues to
• 1:30:29
  figure out but um that gets old really quick too right right
• 1:30:35
  right absolutely right
• 1:30:38
  And so it's hard when you're trying to do your job or even,
• 1:30:44
  you know,
• 1:30:45
  your passion.
• 1:30:45
  And then there's like another person that you're responsible
• 1:30:49
  for that you almost
• 1:30:51
  SPEAKER_03: have to like shoulder their emotional burden.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_00: Right,
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_00: so in a way,
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_00: they're kind of the de facto antagonists of the movie,
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_00: the wife and husband,
• 1:31:05
  SPEAKER_00: respectively,
• 1:31:06
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, they're not.
• 1:31:12
  SPEAKER_00: They're understandable, especially from a perspective where we are.
• 1:31:19
  as like you know 40 late 30s 40 year olds you know who've been
• 1:31:23
  married for a long
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_00: time we understand their their frustrations you know like like like the
• 1:31:31
  complexities of parenthood and um in like marriage when you
• 1:31:37
  have to like grow back
• 1:31:39
  together when you grow apart because it's inevitable that that
• 1:31:42
  happens kind of
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_00: thing right so then we get the next day
• 1:31:48
  SPEAKER_00: And he gets an invite.
• 1:31:49
  SPEAKER_00: He gets a fax or something like that.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_00: And she invites him out.
• 1:31:55
  She gives him a map to meet her at a place where they're going
• 1:32:02
  to hang out with
• 1:32:02
  SPEAKER_00: Charlie Brown again.
• 1:32:03
  SPEAKER_03: Orange.
• 1:32:04
  SPEAKER_00: Orange, right?
• 1:32:06
  SPEAKER_00: And interestingly enough...
• 1:32:09
  How he dresses is very different today than he was the first
• 1:32:12
  time he went.
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I didn't even notice that.
• 1:32:14
  SPEAKER_03: What is he?
• 1:32:15
  SPEAKER_03: What is he wearing?
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's wearing his normal clothes.
• 1:32:17
  He's wearing like a blazer and like he's wearing a very like
• 1:32:20
  age appropriate.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:32:23
  SPEAKER_00: Or a status for him.
• 1:32:24
  SPEAKER_00: He's wearing like a button down shirt with a blazer.
• 1:32:27
  SPEAKER_00: He's dressed like an adult.
• 1:32:29
  SPEAKER_00: He's dressed like a 50 year old should be dressed.
• 1:32:32
  SPEAKER_00: And he gets there.
• 1:32:35
  SPEAKER_00: And the place is a strip club, right?
• 1:32:38
  SPEAKER_00: And he's just, like, not into it.
• 1:32:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's just watching this woman, like, slap her pussy and shit.
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, my God.
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_00: Did I say that on the air?
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I did, right?
• 1:32:49
  SPEAKER_00: But that's what she's doing, right?
• 1:32:50
  SPEAKER_03: She didn't slap her pussy.
• 1:32:51
  SPEAKER_03: She, like, is, like, contorting and, like, she, like, backbends.
• 1:32:55
  And,
• 1:32:56
  like,
• 1:32:56
  it's actually,
• 1:32:56
  like,
• 1:32:56
  a funny moment because she,
• 1:32:58
  like,
• 1:32:58
  backbends.
• 1:33:00
  SPEAKER_03: And he like jumps up to like,
• 1:33:02
  he's like afraid she's like going to fall off the little
• 1:33:04
  platform that she's like
• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_03: dancing on.
• 1:33:06
  And then you can tell he's like relieved when he realizes that
• 1:33:10
  she's just dancing.
• 1:33:11
  SPEAKER_03: But it's like a pretty funny moment.
• 1:33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:33:14
  SPEAKER_00: It is a very awkward moment.
• 1:33:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they do full nude strip clubs in Japan.
• 1:33:20
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 1:33:21
  SPEAKER_03: But also the song in that scene is great.
• 1:33:24
  SPEAKER_03: What song was it?
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's Peaches.
• 1:33:31
  SPEAKER_01: I remember Peaches.
• 1:33:32
  SPEAKER_03: The second on my titties song?
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's Peaches.
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_03: Fuck the pain away.
• 1:33:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:33:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's a classic from our generation.
• 1:33:39
  SPEAKER_00: From that era.
• 1:33:45
  SPEAKER_01: We should have named our dog Peaches.
• 1:33:48
  SPEAKER_01: What happened to Peaches?
• 1:33:49
  SPEAKER_01: We should look that up.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_01: She's probably dead.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_03: I don't... Yeah, what happened to Peaches?
• 1:33:54
  SPEAKER_03: She was... She was... She was interesting.
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_03: She was kind of like...
• 1:34:00
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I googled peaches and guess what came up?
• 1:34:03
  SPEAKER_03: A bunch of fruit.
• 1:34:05
  But yeah,
• 1:34:06
  so you get the stripper and she's basically contorting in front
• 1:34:09
  of him and stuff.
• 1:34:10
  And he's sitting there in this really awkward kind of pose
• 1:34:14
  where he's like,
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what the fuck is going on.
• 1:34:16
  SPEAKER_00: Which once again illustrates his kind of lack of sexual interest.
• 1:34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Is she dead?
• 1:34:25
  SPEAKER_03: No, she's 58 though.
• 1:34:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, she's 58?
• 1:34:27
  SPEAKER_00: Holy shit.
• 1:34:30
  SPEAKER_03: Grandma Peaches.
• 1:34:32
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like every BPD girlfriend I ever had was a Peaches fan.
• 1:34:35
  SPEAKER_03: Sucking on my titties, down my knees.
• 1:34:39
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:34:40
  I'm going to have to link that song on the post because I think
• 1:34:44
  younger people just
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_00: don't know what the fuck Peaches was.
• 1:34:46
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have a lot of younger people that listen?
• 1:34:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think so, actually.
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_03: Or is this like the geriatric podcast?
• 1:34:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
• 1:34:54
  I actually think a lot of...
• 1:34:56
  I think the majority of people are way younger than me.
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like in general?
• 1:35:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in general.
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think significantly so.
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_00: So you're sitting in a strip club,
• 1:35:12
  SPEAKER_00: and then she shows up,
• 1:35:13
  SPEAKER_00: and she's like,
• 1:35:13
  SPEAKER_00: where's our friends at?
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, oh, they're over there getting a dance lesson.
• 1:35:17
  SPEAKER_00: And they're in, like, the private, like, lap dance.
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Charlie Brown is getting a lap dance.
• 1:35:23
  SPEAKER_00: So she's like, let's get the fuck out of here.
• 1:35:25
  So they take off,
• 1:35:26
  and they basically spend the night in Tokyo enjoying themselves.
• 1:35:31
  SPEAKER_00: They kind of,
• 1:35:31
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 1:35:31
  SPEAKER_00: go to,
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_00: pachinko parlors,
• 1:35:33
  SPEAKER_00: and they get through a bunch of different stuff,
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_00: and they're having a good time.
• 1:35:37
  SPEAKER_00: Pachinko parlors are this really weird kind of...
• 1:35:41
  slot machine kind of game type thing it is it is like a um like
• 1:35:45
  a casino right
• 1:35:46
  right they're freaking loud as hell because it's like all coins
• 1:35:50
  and just like crazy
• 1:35:51
  anime noises and stuff yeah and it's run by like korean
• 1:35:54
  mobsters usually in japan
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_00: it's like really like it's it's like uh it's very like crime coded
• 1:36:02
  and like not crime coded you know what I mean like it's like
• 1:36:05
  it's coded as like a
• 1:36:06
  bad thing you know like you're not supposed to go to those if
• 1:36:10
  you're an upstanding
• 1:36:11
  SPEAKER_00: individual you know and then grandmas go to them
• 1:36:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's Patinko.
• 1:36:16
  SPEAKER_03: You get like a bucket of coins, don't you?
• 1:36:19
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't know.
• 1:36:20
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think.
• 1:36:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I noticed?
• 1:36:23
  SPEAKER_00: That was actually kind of a cool,
• 1:36:24
  SPEAKER_00: like very authentic scene where he pays for the bar with coins.
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_03: And he picks it out of his hand.
• 1:36:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:36:30
  SPEAKER_03: The bartender picks it out of his hand because like.
• 1:36:33
  SPEAKER_03: You're like, I don't fucking know what these coins are.
• 1:36:36
  So in Japan,
• 1:36:38
  the lowest denominator bill is a 1000 yen,
• 1:36:43
  which is actually the equivalent of $10.
• 1:36:47
  So most of like the small purchases,
• 1:36:50
  if you're going to buy a beer,
• 1:36:51
  you're going to buy it with
• 1:36:54
  SPEAKER_00: So like an average beer in Japan, like a... 500 yen, right?
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_00: 400 to 500 yen.
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:37:00
  SPEAKER_03: Or a drink... Which is like four or five American dollars.
• 1:37:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:37:03
  So like a drink in like your average one drink in Japan is
• 1:37:08
  about 400 to 500 yen.
• 1:37:11
  SPEAKER_00: Which is a coin.
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's done as a coin.
• 1:37:14
  SPEAKER_03: Well, there's like 100 yen coins and like 500 yen coins.
• 1:37:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:37:18
  SPEAKER_00: And there's like the smaller ones.
• 1:37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like throwawayable.
• 1:37:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's like nickels and pennies almost.
• 1:37:24
  SPEAKER_00: But you pay with coins for most...
• 1:37:27
  things under ten dollars well for all things under ten dollars
• 1:37:31
  you know so like you
• 1:37:32
  don't use bills a lot you're just walking around with a fucking
• 1:37:35
  heavy ass pocket
• 1:37:36
  full of change a lot of dudes carry like little coin purses and
• 1:37:40
  stuff too yeah like
• 1:37:42
  finally after like two years in japan i got smart and just
• 1:37:45
  started like using all
• 1:37:47
  my coins i don't give a shit how long it took me to like count
• 1:37:49
  them out but i like
• 1:37:51
  had to spend my coins because those accumulate so fast also
• 1:37:55
  side note i went to the
• 1:37:59
  SPEAKER_03: I wish they had a coin star in Japan for all the coins, but they don't.
• 1:38:04
  SPEAKER_03: So what I did is I bought coin rolls.
• 1:38:09
  SPEAKER_03: Did I?
• 1:38:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think you did.
• 1:38:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you did the coin roll.
• 1:38:11
  SPEAKER_03: Or did I?
• 1:38:12
  SPEAKER_03: No, I think I brought like a Ziploc baggie full of my coins to a bank.
• 1:38:18
  SPEAKER_03: And when I tell you,
• 1:38:20
  SPEAKER_03: okay,
• 1:38:20
  SPEAKER_03: so like the DMV is really shitty and scary in the US,
• 1:38:24
  SPEAKER_03: but like a Japanese bank,
• 1:38:27
  is like my personal nightmare and I don't ever want to go back
• 1:38:30
  that's why I started
• 1:38:31
  using all my coins because I had to fill out so much paperwork
• 1:38:34
  just to get these
• 1:38:35
  guys to like count my coins and like maybe I did roll some of
• 1:38:42
  them but I don't
• 1:38:42
  think I could roll all of them I don't know but anyway like
• 1:38:45
  they made me like like
• 1:38:49
  I was like an accountant and had to like count how much like
• 1:38:53
  shit I had and then
• 1:38:54
  SPEAKER_03: in true Japanese manner,
• 1:38:56
  SPEAKER_03: they,
• 1:38:56
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:38:56
  SPEAKER_03: had to count it again,
• 1:38:57
  SPEAKER_03: and then probably another time after that,
• 1:39:00
  SPEAKER_03: and it's just,
• 1:39:01
  SPEAKER_03: it's so much paperwork,
• 1:39:02
  SPEAKER_03: and so convoluted,
• 1:39:03
  SPEAKER_03: because in Japan,
• 1:39:05
  SPEAKER_03: everything is so much fucking paperwork,
• 1:39:08
  SPEAKER_03: and,
• 1:39:08
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:39:09
  SPEAKER_03: they're,
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_03: we have robots that will do,
• 1:39:13
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:39:14
  SPEAKER_03: check you into your love hotel,
• 1:39:16
  SPEAKER_03: but,
• 1:39:16
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:39:17
  SPEAKER_03: we're just going to use an abacus to bank, you know?
• 1:39:21
  SPEAKER_00: Japan is a very interesting place because it's like in a lot of things,
• 1:39:24
  SPEAKER_00: it's very high tech,
• 1:39:26
  SPEAKER_00: but in a lot of other things,
• 1:39:27
  SPEAKER_00: it's like straight up 1945.
• 1:39:29
  Dude,
• 1:39:30
  like I noticed a lot in the movie too,
• 1:39:32
  like there's a lot of faxing going on.
• 1:39:35
  SPEAKER_03: There's still a lot of faxing going on.
• 1:39:37
  SPEAKER_00: So what's interesting about Japan is they never had a computer culture.
• 1:39:43
  SPEAKER_00: which is very antithetical to what Americans did.
• 1:39:49
  SPEAKER_00: So the Japanese had fancy high-tech cell phones before the United States.
• 1:39:56
  SPEAKER_00: So the 1990s where we had the personal computer,
• 1:39:59
  SPEAKER_00: where everybody owned a computer in their house,
• 1:40:02
  SPEAKER_00: never existed in Japan.
• 1:40:04
  SPEAKER_00: And nobody owns a computer in their house.
• 1:40:07
  SPEAKER_00: They're not a PC laptop culture.
• 1:40:11
  So the only – they would basically do – everything they do is
• 1:40:15
  on their phone.
• 1:40:16
  SPEAKER_00: And they've been on their phones longer than the United States has been.
• 1:40:20
  SPEAKER_00: But what that means is that they don't do emails.
• 1:40:24
  SPEAKER_00: And everything is like phone kind of aimed at, you know.
• 1:40:29
  But a lot of their other stuff is very bureaucratic with like
• 1:40:33
  actual pen and paper paperwork.
• 1:40:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like we think the DNV here is a fucking nightmare.
• 1:40:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:40:39
  getting your car registered in japan dude you will come back
• 1:40:43
  with like a novel of
• 1:40:45
  paperwork oh my god renting a house you didn't you weren't you
• 1:40:51
  weren't living there
• 1:40:52
  when i rented a house so when you buy large purchases like a
• 1:40:56
  car or house you have
• 1:40:58
  to buy it with cash so you have to go you have to go to the
• 1:41:03
  bank right and pull out
• 1:41:05
  SPEAKER_00: like
• 1:41:07
  SPEAKER_00: $20,000 worth of cash.
• 1:41:08
  SPEAKER_00: So in Japanese money, that's like $200,000 worth of cash.
• 1:41:13
  And I'm sitting there with this gigantic envelope of money just
• 1:41:19
  to pay for my first month,
• 1:41:21
  SPEAKER_00: last month,
• 1:41:22
  SPEAKER_00: or whatever,
• 1:41:23
  SPEAKER_00: my down payment or whatever to rent a house.
• 1:41:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I get this thing and I'm walking and I've got this,
• 1:41:30
  SPEAKER_00: this like Scarface level,
• 1:41:32
  SPEAKER_00: like stack of wad of cash,
• 1:41:34
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:41:34
  SPEAKER_00: and I have to like take it to like the rental place.
• 1:41:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I want to get robbed.
• 1:41:37
  SPEAKER_00: Then we get murdered just walking across the street.
• 1:41:39
  Cause I've got like $400,000 worth of stuff in my,
• 1:41:41
  in my pocket,
• 1:41:41
  you know?
• 1:41:46
  but like you buy a car you can't just like you know give him a
• 1:41:50
  check no no you have
• 1:41:51
  to pull out like five thousand dollars to give the dude for a
• 1:41:54
  car you know you buy
• 1:41:55
  a house you better pull out a million dollars or you know a
• 1:41:58
  million yen worth of
• 1:41:59
  like bills to do it uh the dmv so in order to buy a car in
• 1:42:04
  japan you have to first
• 1:42:06
  you buy the car you pay the money but you can't pick up the car
• 1:42:10
  because you have to
• 1:42:10
  SPEAKER_00: go like their equivalent of the dmv
• 1:42:14
  SPEAKER_00: At the DMV, you do like four paperwork in four different buildings.
• 1:42:17
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, my God.
• 1:42:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then you have to wait for the police,
• 1:42:24
  SPEAKER_00: the local police,
• 1:42:25
  SPEAKER_00: to come to your house and inspect your parking space in your house.
• 1:42:30
  So you're not allowed to own a car in Japan unless you own a
• 1:42:34
  parking space.
• 1:42:36
  So if your house does not have the adequate parking space for a car,
• 1:42:40
  you can't have a car.
• 1:42:41
  SPEAKER_00: right when you go to a japanese car dealership they're not like american
• 1:42:47
  dealerships so there's a bunch of cars on the lot and you like
• 1:42:50
  pick a car and then
• 1:42:51
  you buy it and you drive it off no no no no no it's like a
• 1:42:55
  tesla dealership almost
• 1:42:57
  where you look at the model of the car you say i want this car
• 1:43:02
  and then you buy it
• 1:43:03
  SPEAKER_00: and they deliver it to you
• 1:43:06
  right because the dealership is like has one car which is like
• 1:43:10
  this floor model to
• 1:43:11
  look at you know but you have to prove using the police coming
• 1:43:17
  to your house to be
• 1:43:19
  able to register your car and then then you have to go to
• 1:43:22
  another city because you
• 1:43:23
  have to go from like yukaska to yokohama and you have to you
• 1:43:27
  know i like trauma
• 1:43:28
  blanked that out because i had to do that a couple of times
• 1:43:32
  with a friend and you
• 1:43:33
  SPEAKER_03: like go and you have to wait
• 1:43:36
  you know in like the dingy government building and like or you
• 1:43:41
  pull a number or
• 1:43:42
  whatever or wait in line and you show them your paperwork like
• 1:43:48
  you wait in line for
• 1:43:50
  somebody to like direct you where to go so then you go to the
• 1:43:54
  next building and
• 1:43:55
  then you like get a stamp but then you have to go and then you
• 1:43:58
  have to go to
• 1:43:59
  SPEAKER_03: another building
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's just, everything is so convoluted.
• 1:44:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, it's like a ritual.
• 1:44:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a ritual.
• 1:44:06
  SPEAKER_03: Everything is a fucking ritual.
• 1:44:07
  SPEAKER_00: And they love stamps.
• 1:44:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you got, everything's stamped.
• 1:44:10
  SPEAKER_00: Everything has to have a stamp.
• 1:44:11
  SPEAKER_00: A custom stamp.
• 1:44:12
  SPEAKER_00: A custom stamp.
• 1:44:13
  You know,
• 1:44:14
  and it's like,
• 1:44:14
  oh shit,
• 1:44:15
  it's like a visa,
• 1:44:16
  you know,
• 1:44:16
  like a travel visa.
• 1:44:19
  SPEAKER_00: So anyways, they go to the strip club and they go party and
• 1:44:25
  SPEAKER_00: And they go back into their rooms, their individual hotel rooms.
• 1:44:29
  SPEAKER_00: And she goes to bed and she's laying in bed, but she can't sleep.
• 1:44:33
  SPEAKER_00: Jet lagged.
• 1:44:34
  SPEAKER_00: A big theme of the movie is that they can't sleep.
• 1:44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Either of them can't sleep, right?
• 1:44:39
  SPEAKER_03: They're jet lagged.
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_00: They're jet lagged.
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_00: But what's interesting enough,
• 1:44:42
  SPEAKER_00: it's contrasted with the fact that Giovanni Ribisi sleeps perfectly fine.
• 1:44:47
  SPEAKER_00: He's snoring the whole time.
• 1:44:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 1:44:49
  SPEAKER_00: He's dead asleep when you see him in the scene.
• 1:44:52
  SPEAKER_00: But she can't sleep.
• 1:44:53
  SPEAKER_00: He can't sleep.
• 1:44:54
  SPEAKER_00: He's watching, like, weird Japanese TV, which is ridiculous, right?
• 1:44:58
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 1:44:58
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like in those scenes,
• 1:44:59
  SPEAKER_03: too,
• 1:44:59
  SPEAKER_03: when she turns on the TV,
• 1:45:01
  SPEAKER_03: she's watching the same thing he is.
• 1:45:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:45:03
  SPEAKER_03: And they're, like, simultaneously, like, flipping.
• 1:45:06
  Watching crappy fucking Japanese TV,
• 1:45:08
  which is crappy,
• 1:45:09
  guys,
• 1:45:10
  if you don't want to.
• 1:45:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's, like, wacky.
• 1:45:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's just wacky.
• 1:45:13
  SPEAKER_03: There's, like, no other...
• 1:45:15
  word to describe it all Japanese TV shows if you have like
• 1:45:19
  local Japanese TV are
• 1:45:20
  like weird talk shows or something like that right like it's
• 1:45:23
  like some weird wacky
• 1:45:24
  talk show or like game shows yeah they're like really weird
• 1:45:28
  game shows um and he
• 1:45:30
  SPEAKER_00: slips he has a a note delivered that says are you awake and um
• 1:45:35
  Then the next scene is they're in like the same room together
• 1:45:40
  and they're watching
• 1:45:41
  TV together and drinking sake out of like the traditional kind
• 1:45:45
  of square wooden cups.
• 1:45:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I think this is the key, key scene in the movie.
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_00: This is the, the sex scene that doesn't happen.
• 1:45:58
  You know,
• 1:45:59
  this is where you're like,
• 1:46:00
  okay,
• 1:46:00
  now they're going to,
• 1:46:01
  they're going to.
• 1:46:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:46:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like, are they going to hook up?
• 1:46:03
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:46:04
  SPEAKER_00: This is, this is the scene, right?
• 1:46:06
  SPEAKER_00: And they're laying in bed next to each other and they're,
• 1:46:08
  SPEAKER_00: they're having like a serious conversation.
• 1:46:11
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, she says like, I should bring it down.
• 1:46:17
  SPEAKER_00: She says something like, does it ever get easier?
• 1:46:20
  SPEAKER_03: Marriage.
• 1:46:21
  SPEAKER_00: And well, first she's talking about life.
• 1:46:24
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 1:46:24
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:46:25
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, does it ever get easier?
• 1:46:26
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, no.
• 1:46:29
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, no.
• 1:46:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:46:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then she's like, does it ever... But then he says yes.
• 1:46:35
  SPEAKER_03: And you don't know if it's sincere or not.
• 1:46:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 1:46:39
  SPEAKER_03: And he kind of elaborates on...
• 1:46:41
  SPEAKER_03: He says something along the lines of,
• 1:46:43
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 1:46:44
  SPEAKER_03: once you figure out who you are...
• 1:46:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like, things don't bother you as much.
• 1:46:51
  SPEAKER_00: And she opens up them.
• 1:46:52
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, I want to be a writer, but I'm mean.
• 1:46:55
  SPEAKER_00: I hate what I write.
• 1:46:56
  SPEAKER_00: I hate what I write.
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  I want to be,
• 1:46:58
  I do the photography thing,
• 1:47:00
  but every chick does the photography thing,
• 1:47:02
  you know?
• 1:47:02
  SPEAKER_00: I just have pictures of my toes or something like that.
• 1:47:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to, like, you know, I want to, like, do this and that.
• 1:47:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then he, then they end up talking about, like,
• 1:47:14
  SPEAKER_00: And she asked him, like, does marriage ever get easier?
• 1:47:18
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, you know, I've been married for two years.
• 1:47:19
  SPEAKER_00: He's been married for 25.
• 1:47:22
  But he says,
• 1:47:22
  it's actually only 16 because 80 years of that is sleeping,
• 1:47:25
  you know?
• 1:47:27
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 1:47:29
  then he talks about how great it is to have kids which i really
• 1:47:34
  connected with that
• 1:47:35
  scene you know and that's a scene that i connected with today
• 1:47:39
  when we watched it
• 1:47:40
  unlike when i watched it last time we saw it which i think the
• 1:47:43
  last time we watched
• 1:47:44
  this movie was in japan before her daughter was born and i
• 1:47:49
  never i didn't feel this
• 1:47:51
  way in a way you know i didn't it didn't it didn't hit me as
• 1:47:54
  much as it did well
• 1:47:55
  SPEAKER_03: because he says um
• 1:47:58
  SPEAKER_03: She says, does marriage get easier?
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_03: And he said, that one's tough.
• 1:48:05
  SPEAKER_03: And then they go on talking about kids.
• 1:48:09
  And he says that once that first kid is born,
• 1:48:15
  your life as you know it is over.
• 1:48:19
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:48:21
  SPEAKER_03: And then he says, but then they learn to walk and they learn to talk.
• 1:48:25
  and they become the most delightful people and it's just such a
• 1:48:30
  she says that's
• 1:48:33
  nice right and this is like very intimate scene where you would
• 1:48:41
  you would assume
• 1:48:42
  that they're going to sleep with each other at this point you
• 1:48:46
  know i mean and it
• 1:48:50
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, it doesn't happen.
• 1:48:52
  SPEAKER_00: Spoiler for the movie.
• 1:48:54
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't happen.
• 1:48:54
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if I got that vibe.
• 1:48:58
  SPEAKER_03: I think I definitely felt tension there.
• 1:49:01
  SPEAKER_03: But I don't...
• 1:49:03
  i feel like the two of them respect each other too much to do
• 1:49:08
  that right right i
• 1:49:09
  mean i i agree and that's why it didn't happen you know but
• 1:49:13
  this would have been
• 1:49:14
  the scene where they would have slept right yeah yeah if like
• 1:49:17
  well and like in the
• 1:49:18
  the because the the angle of that scene is almost from above
• 1:49:22
  it's like from above
• 1:49:24
  SPEAKER_03: and she has
• 1:49:25
  SPEAKER_03: her toes tucked under like his thigh, like very intimately, you know?
• 1:49:30
  SPEAKER_01: And he touches her foot.
• 1:49:31
  SPEAKER_03: And he touches her foot.
• 1:49:33
  SPEAKER_03: And, um, but they're not like cuddling.
• 1:49:38
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:49:39
  SPEAKER_00: They're not cuddling.
• 1:49:40
  And,
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  and,
• 1:49:41
  you know,
• 1:49:41
  she falls asleep and he like pats her foot and then the scene ends.
• 1:49:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:49:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then we get the next part of the movie,
• 1:49:47
  SPEAKER_00: which really,
• 1:49:48
  SPEAKER_00: that's where the,
• 1:49:49
  SPEAKER_00: this is where the movie changes thematically.
• 1:49:51
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:49:52
  SPEAKER_00: Which is,
• 1:49:55
  um she goes to kyoto so she gets into shinkansen and travels to
• 1:50:01
  kyoto so so one
• 1:50:03
  thing i need to kind of elaborate on is that japan is a lot
• 1:50:09
  bigger than it looks
• 1:50:12
  SPEAKER_00: right uh our maps the way they're drawn really distort the size of japan
• 1:50:19
  SPEAKER_00: If you were to take Japan and superimpose it on the United States,
• 1:50:23
  SPEAKER_00: the northern end of Japan would actually be somewhere in Canada,
• 1:50:27
  SPEAKER_00: and the southern tip of Japan would be in Mexico.
• 1:50:32
  SPEAKER_03: Is it bigger than California?
• 1:50:34
  SPEAKER_00: Much bigger than California.
• 1:50:35
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:50:36
  It goes,
• 1:50:36
  like I said,
• 1:50:36
  it goes all the way to Canada and down to Mexico,
• 1:50:40
  right?
• 1:50:41
  SPEAKER_00: And Tokyo is kind of in the middle.
• 1:50:44
  SPEAKER_00: So Tokyo is longitudinally equal to Seattle.
• 1:50:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's on the same, it has a very similar weather pattern to Seattle.
• 1:50:53
  And that's why there's a lot of Japanese people in Seattle
• 1:50:55
  because the weather is
• 1:50:56
  SPEAKER_00: very similar to Tokyo.
• 1:50:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:50:59
  SPEAKER_00: But from Tokyo to Kyoto, we're looking at Seattle to like Los Angeles.
• 1:51:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's a pretty big distance.
• 1:51:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a day trip.
• 1:51:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a day trip, right?
• 1:51:08
  SPEAKER_00: Which the movie kind of distorts this a little bit.
• 1:51:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:51:11
  SPEAKER_00: But when we lived in Japan,
• 1:51:13
  SPEAKER_00: it was always kind of funny because people,
• 1:51:15
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:51:15
  SPEAKER_00: there would be an earthquake in like the southern tip of Japan.
• 1:51:19
  and our family and friends would be like oh my god did you guys
• 1:51:21
  get an earthquake
• 1:51:22
  and we're like uh no because we're nowhere near that we're
• 1:51:26
  nowhere near that and
• 1:51:27
  that's like the distances between like los angeles and like
• 1:51:30
  austin texas you know
• 1:51:32
  what i mean like we're like we're talking about like a
• 1:51:34
  different part of the
• 1:51:34
  SPEAKER_00: country completely
• 1:51:36
  But the way Japan is kind of the perspective of Japan on maps
• 1:51:42
  that we use in the
• 1:51:42
  SPEAKER_00: United States,
• 1:51:43
  SPEAKER_00: where the United States as the center of the map,
• 1:51:46
  SPEAKER_00: because of the kind of the distortion of the globe,
• 1:51:50
  SPEAKER_00: the way it's set up,
• 1:51:51
  SPEAKER_00: it makes it look really small when it's actually quite big.
• 1:51:55
  SPEAKER_00: And there's very different climates in Japan.
• 1:51:58
  SPEAKER_00: You have a very kind of cold, snowy kind of weather up north.
• 1:52:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like Sapporo.
• 1:52:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in Sapporo.
• 1:52:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then down south,
• 1:52:08
  SPEAKER_00: if you look at the tip or the very,
• 1:52:10
  SPEAKER_00: very tip,
• 1:52:11
  SPEAKER_00: which would be like Okinawa,
• 1:52:13
  SPEAKER_00: for example,
• 1:52:14
  SPEAKER_00: you've got like subtropical Hawaii weather.
• 1:52:18
  SPEAKER_00: And Tokyo itself, like I said, has a very climate, very similar to...
• 1:52:24
  to coastal seattle or actually down here in south carolina i
• 1:52:27
  feel like the weather
• 1:52:29
  here is very similar to tokyo where like it doesn't snow in the
• 1:52:33
  winter but it does
• 1:52:35
  sometimes right yeah and it's very humid in the summer and very
• 1:52:40
  rainy in the summer
• 1:52:41
  which is very similar to south carolina kind of this area um
• 1:52:46
  coastal subtropical
• 1:52:48
  SPEAKER_00: kind of thing going on not dry like california california is very dry
• 1:52:54
  but um so she goes to kyoto she hops in the shinkansen
• 1:52:59
  shinkansen is the bullet
• 1:53:00
  train the famous japanese bullet train which i've actually
• 1:53:04
  never i never got the
• 1:53:05
  SPEAKER_03: ride i know what the heck
• 1:53:07
  SPEAKER_00: We never went down there.
• 1:53:08
  SPEAKER_00: We never went to Kyoto.
• 1:53:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of like our big failure.
• 1:53:11
  SPEAKER_00: We lived in Japan.
• 1:53:12
  SPEAKER_00: We just had so much stuff to do that we just never got around to Kyoto.
• 1:53:16
  So the Shinkansen from Tokyo to Kyoto,
• 1:53:20
  it takes about two hours and 15 minutes.
• 1:53:22
  SPEAKER_03: And let me see how many miles.
• 1:53:26
  SPEAKER_00: I guess it's a reasonable day trip if she went there.
• 1:53:31
  well it's 279 miles so it's almost 300 miles um if you drove it
• 1:53:38
  would be five and a
• 1:53:38
  half hours so she she drove she hopped on the shinkansen
• 1:53:42
  two-hour bullet train trip
• 1:53:43
  in the morning early morning spent all day and then got back a
• 1:53:47
  night yeah i guess
• 1:53:49
  SPEAKER_03: you could you could do a day trip
• 1:53:51
  Yeah,
• 1:53:52
  usually you'd want to do an overnight trip or a weekend trip
• 1:53:54
  between Tokyo and Kyoto.
• 1:53:56
  SPEAKER_03: Especially because, like, there's so much stuff to see in Kyoto.
• 1:53:59
  SPEAKER_00: So she goes to Kyoto, and she's...
• 1:54:04
  SPEAKER_00: She has a very,
• 1:54:05
  SPEAKER_00: she does,
• 1:54:06
  the one thing she sees at one of the Shinto temples is she sees
• 1:54:10
  a wedding,
• 1:54:12
  SPEAKER_00: a traditional Japanese wedding.
• 1:54:15
  SPEAKER_03: Or at least the bride and groom.
• 1:54:17
  SPEAKER_00: The bride and groom walking up into wedding.
• 1:54:19
  SPEAKER_00: And the bride is wearing the Japanese bridal hat to hide the horns.
• 1:54:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm talking about?
• 1:54:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:54:28
  the horn so in in japanese uh uh culture is uh kind of
• 1:54:34
  traditional stuff is the
• 1:54:35
  japanese bride wears this like kind of a it looks like a bonnet
• 1:54:39
  type of thing over
• 1:54:40
  their head and the thing is that the idea is that it hides the
• 1:54:44
  horns of a woman her
• 1:54:45
  jealousy horns that's hey i didn't i'm making this shit up okay
• 1:54:51
  this is this
• 1:54:52
  SPEAKER_00: looking up google it right now
• 1:54:55
  i just looked up japanese bride and i got like japanese lady
• 1:55:00
  seeking men or
• 1:55:01
  japanese sakuradate.com japan cupid okay i just want to see a
• 1:55:09
  japanese bride
• 1:55:10
  japanese bride horn hat look it up like they they wear the hat
• 1:55:15
  to hide the horns
• 1:55:16
  man they know what they're talking about like well and that you
• 1:55:21
  would wear kimono
• 1:55:23
  SPEAKER_03: There is nothing about horns.
• 1:55:26
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm telling you.
• 1:55:28
  SPEAKER_03: Japanese bridal hat.
• 1:55:30
  SPEAKER_03: Let's see.
• 1:55:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 1:55:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's called a Tsunokokushi.
• 1:55:43
  SPEAKER_03: And it hides... It does...
• 1:55:48
  told you i told you question me it hides her horns this of
• 1:55:56
  anger jealousy and other
• 1:55:57
  negative qualities well what the fuck right so basically the
• 1:56:02
  japanese bride wears
• 1:56:03
  this bonnet looking thing all right called what's it called
• 1:56:07
  it's called a sunoku
• 1:56:10
  SPEAKER_03: sunoku
• 1:56:14
  SPEAKER_03: Sunokakushi.
• 1:56:16
  SPEAKER_00: Sunokakushi.
• 1:56:18
  SPEAKER_00: To hide her jealousy horns that she has.
• 1:56:20
  SPEAKER_00: She's basically a demon, okay?
• 1:56:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, my God.
• 1:56:23
  SPEAKER_00: Japanese, like, women are demons.
• 1:56:25
  SPEAKER_00: You've got to hide those freaking horns.
• 1:56:26
  SPEAKER_03: Japan is a very feminist culture.
• 1:56:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:56:29
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:56:30
  SPEAKER_00: See, I was right.
• 1:56:31
  SPEAKER_00: You think I didn't know that?
• 1:56:32
  SPEAKER_00: Of course I knew that.
• 1:56:33
  SPEAKER_00: How did you know that?
• 1:56:36
  multicultural things hiding her fucking jealousy so she's
• 1:56:40
  hiding your jealousy i
• 1:56:40
  wear my horns proud yeah so she she sees this wedding going on
• 1:56:45
  and she's kind of
• 1:56:45
  like touched by a very beautiful sound all while um alone in
• 1:56:51
  kyoto by air is in the
• 1:56:53
  SPEAKER_03: background another like iconic
• 1:56:57
  SPEAKER_03: choice of music for that particular scene.
• 1:57:00
  SPEAKER_03: I'm, like, all about this soundtrack.
• 1:57:02
  SPEAKER_03: I just bought it on vinyl, by the way.
• 1:57:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 1:57:04
  SPEAKER_00: Judy just bought it on vinyl just a few days ago,
• 1:57:07
  which kind of what made me think of doing this movie is because
• 1:57:10
  I saw it sitting on the...
• 1:57:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 1:57:12
  SPEAKER_03: it has her...
• 1:57:13
  SPEAKER_03: On the cover is ScarJo's booty.
• 1:57:16
  SPEAKER_03: Is it?
• 1:57:18
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't it?
• 1:57:18
  SPEAKER_03: Or did I hallucinate that?
• 1:57:20
  SPEAKER_00: Let me go look at it real fast.
• 1:57:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:57:23
  SPEAKER_03: The music choices are so good.
• 1:57:27
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that Air actually did music particularly for that movie.
• 1:57:36
  SPEAKER_03: I gotta look that up too.
• 1:57:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's the movie scene.
• 1:57:48
  uh maybe not i don't know if it was made well anyway air great
• 1:57:53
  band alone in kyoto
• 1:57:55
  great song um so she's in kyoto sees the wedding she hops on
• 1:58:00
  those cool stones
• 1:58:01
  there's a scene where she's hopping in the stones what else
• 1:58:03
  does she do in kyoto
• 1:58:04
  well there's i i feel like um that scene with the the um i
• 1:58:13
  don't know if you call
• 1:58:14
  SPEAKER_03: it japanese
• 1:58:17
  man getting married as new groom i guess yeah yeah but um i
• 1:58:22
  feel like that scene
• 1:58:23
  like really emphasized how she was like going to step up onto
• 1:58:27
  like a step and he
• 1:58:30
  puts his hand out and she like very delicately places her hand
• 1:58:33
  in his and it kind
• 1:58:35
  SPEAKER_03: of like goes back to um charlotte's like she's just
• 1:58:40
  SPEAKER_03: watching this happen.
• 1:58:42
  And I feel like I got like a sense that she's like really
• 1:58:45
  longing for like that
• 1:58:46
  SPEAKER_03: type of intimate connection.
• 1:58:48
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:58:48
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:58:49
  SPEAKER_03: And it's kind of like heartbreaking.
• 1:58:52
  SPEAKER_00: It is because she like wants that out of her own marriage.
• 1:58:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:58:55
  SPEAKER_00: With Giovanni Ribisi.
• 1:58:58
  SPEAKER_00: And meanwhile, a critical thing happens back in Tokyo and
• 1:59:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's where Bob is really disillusioned with his life and his wife.
• 1:59:10
  SPEAKER_00: He's having kind of a breakdown at this point.
• 1:59:14
  SPEAKER_00: He's sitting in that spa, jacuzzi type thing.
• 1:59:17
  SPEAKER_00: You were actually mistaken earlier.
• 1:59:19
  It was in this scene in the jacuzzi where he tells his wife,
• 1:59:24
  I'm going to change my diet.
• 1:59:27
  SPEAKER_00: She kind of blows him off.
• 1:59:29
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, fuck.
• 1:59:32
  SPEAKER_00: He's just kind of like, ugh.
• 1:59:34
  SPEAKER_00: he's like puts on the cell phone and he's back at the bar drinking and
• 1:59:42
  at the bar sitting there appears next to him comes to sit next
• 1:59:47
  to him is like the
• 1:59:48
  lounge singer yeah and she's like been there all week she's
• 1:59:51
  been there all week
• 1:59:52
  she's actually introduced earlier in the movie yeah i mentioned
• 1:59:55
  her she's this like
• 1:59:57
  very fake american woman or western woman type of thing um
• 2:00:02
  she's wearing like she
• 2:00:04
  SPEAKER_00: has like really like fake red hair kind of thing going on and uh
• 2:00:09
  SPEAKER_00: She sits next to him and she orders champagne.
• 2:00:13
  SPEAKER_03: Which is kind of a key because... And also, she's older.
• 2:00:16
  SPEAKER_03: She's older.
• 2:00:17
  SPEAKER_03: She's, like, definitely early 50s, probably.
• 2:00:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's closer to his age.
• 2:00:23
  SPEAKER_00: 40s, 50s, maybe, you know?
• 2:00:25
  SPEAKER_00: And he ends up banging her.
• 2:00:28
  SPEAKER_00: The next scene is, like, he wakes up and he's like, ugh.
• 2:00:31
  SPEAKER_03: But, like, you can... He's, like, full of regret.
• 2:00:33
  SPEAKER_03: You can just tell.
• 2:00:34
  SPEAKER_03: And she's, like, bobbing through his hotel room singing.
• 2:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:00:38
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a knock on his door and it's Charlotte.
• 2:00:43
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, I'm going to go get sushi.
• 2:00:45
  SPEAKER_00: You want to come?
• 2:00:46
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, I can't.
• 2:00:49
  And right away,
• 2:00:49
  like,
• 2:00:50
  there's like this,
• 2:00:51
  like,
• 2:00:53
  car crash scene thing going on.
• 2:00:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because, like, she hears the voice of this woman inside his room.
• 2:00:58
  SPEAKER_03: She's, like, singing from the bathroom or whatever.
• 2:01:01
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, oh, shit.
• 2:01:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 2:01:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there goes everything.
• 2:01:05
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Charlotte's, like, kind of smiling, you know?
• 2:01:08
  SPEAKER_03: She kind of, like, doesn't, like, break her smile.
• 2:01:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:01:11
  you can you can like see it in her eyes where she's like
• 2:01:14
  heartbroken she's like
• 2:01:16
  she's like pissed and she's like she says i don't know exactly
• 2:01:21
  she's like i yeah i
• 2:01:22
  can see that you're busy right now or something yeah and the
• 2:01:26
  next scene is they're
• 2:01:28
  SPEAKER_00: charlotte and bob are in a restaurant they're in a uh what's it called
• 2:01:32
  SPEAKER_03: They went and had shabu-shabu.
• 2:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: Shabu-shabu restaurant.
• 2:01:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's like a hot pot.
• 2:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:01:38
  SPEAKER_00: And she's pissed.
• 2:01:40
  SPEAKER_00: She's angry.
• 2:01:41
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, holy, she's closer to your age.
• 2:01:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:01:45
  SPEAKER_03: You guys can talk about things you have in common growing up in the 50s.
• 2:01:51
  SPEAKER_00: And what this illustrates,
• 2:01:54
  SPEAKER_00: though,
• 2:01:54
  one thing it puts out in the open that the fact that Charlotte
• 2:01:58
  was thinking about
• 2:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: banging him anyways.
• 2:02:01
  SPEAKER_00: it does apply a...
• 2:02:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's almost an admission of...
• 2:02:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right,
• 2:02:07
  SPEAKER_00: because...
• 2:02:07
  SPEAKER_00: That there was sexual tension.
• 2:02:08
  Because she says,
• 2:02:09
  well,
• 2:02:10
  at least she's closer to your age,
• 2:02:12
  which implies...
• 2:02:15
  like that she isn't exactly right right right so right away
• 2:02:18
  that like at this point
• 2:02:19
  we're talking about where if there was any doubt that there was
• 2:02:23
  actual sexual
• 2:02:24
  tension from both elements it's gone like it's on the table now
• 2:02:30
  right um and um
• 2:02:35
  so it's a very awkward scene where they're kind of like,
• 2:02:37
  she's kind of mad at him.
• 2:02:39
  And it's almost unfairly mad at him because like,
• 2:02:42
  it's not like they were sleeping together.
• 2:02:44
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and then Bob says, um, no, what?
• 2:02:48
  SPEAKER_03: Nobody was there to ravage you with attention or whatever.
• 2:02:52
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 2:02:53
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 2:02:53
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 2:02:54
  SPEAKER_03: But I don't know.
• 2:02:55
  See,
• 2:02:55
  this is where I think you and I disagree because she's unfairly
• 2:02:59
  mad at him.
• 2:03:02
  SPEAKER_03: And I think you can take it two ways.
• 2:03:05
  SPEAKER_03: there's like the jealousy aspect,
• 2:03:08
  SPEAKER_03: but then there's also like,
• 2:03:12
  SPEAKER_03: she knows he's married and she's like me as like the,
• 2:03:18
  SPEAKER_03: just watching this happen.
• 2:03:21
  SPEAKER_03: I'm disappointed in him for like his infidelity.
• 2:03:24
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 2:03:24
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 2:03:25
  SPEAKER_03: And like, especially because of his character and like,
• 2:03:30
  SPEAKER_03: He is like an honorable character in the movie,
• 2:03:34
  SPEAKER_03: but then he,
• 2:03:35
  that like kind of disintegrated and he just like gave into like
• 2:03:39
  his self-loathing almost.
• 2:03:43
  SPEAKER_03: And so I, I honestly, if it were me, if I were Charlotte,
• 2:03:50
  i would probably feel the same exact way in a way he he gave
• 2:03:54
  into his self-loathing
• 2:03:55
  and he came down he he in a way brought himself down to
• 2:04:03
  charlotte's level if that
• 2:04:04
  makes sense because up until this point charlotte was the
• 2:04:09
  subservient character to
• 2:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: him
• 2:04:12
  where she was the young inexperienced kind of pupil to him
• 2:04:18
  right where he every
• 2:04:22
  every move that was made every like for the most part right
• 2:04:27
  every move that was
• 2:04:28
  made towards like she was the initiator of the relationship
• 2:04:32
  right he wasn't a he
• 2:04:34
  wasn't a pervy guy that came on to her right she came on to him
• 2:04:39
  if that makes sense
• 2:04:40
  SPEAKER_00: right she kind of
• 2:04:43
  SPEAKER_03: I disagree with that.
• 2:04:44
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I would not say she ever came on to him.
• 2:04:47
  SPEAKER_03: I think that she was looking for connection and she invited him as like.
• 2:04:51
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:04:51
  SPEAKER_00: But she was the initiator of their relationship.
• 2:04:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:04:56
  SPEAKER_00: She's the one that sent him the note.
• 2:04:59
  SPEAKER_00: And she's the one that approached him at the bar.
• 2:05:03
  SPEAKER_00: And she's the one that invited him out.
• 2:05:06
  yeah but he was they were still looking at each other and he
• 2:05:09
  was joking with her
• 2:05:10
  right but he you know she was the one that kind of you know and
• 2:05:14
  so in a way she was
• 2:05:16
  on the lower foot between them and him being in in you know
• 2:05:22
  cheating on his wife
• 2:05:23
  with this kind of shallow bar slut you know yeah it was like
• 2:05:29
  very impulsive very
• 2:05:30
  SPEAKER_00: impulsive and very much a failure
• 2:05:33
  And it brought him down from his mentor role to Charlotte's
• 2:05:38
  level in a way.
• 2:05:40
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah, and it makes her, it almost, like, humanizes him to her.
• 2:05:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 2:05:47
  SPEAKER_03: And kind of just shows that, like, hey, we're all fucked up in a way.
• 2:05:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 2:05:53
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, after the very awkward, you know, not nice.
• 2:05:59
  SPEAKER_03: The worst lunch ever.
• 2:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: Worst lunch ever.
• 2:06:01
  SPEAKER_00: They go back to their hotel rooms, and they're kind of both miserable.
• 2:06:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then the hotel has a fire room.
• 2:06:09
  And they go out like in the emergency fire alarm and there's
• 2:06:17
  firemen everywhere and stuff.
• 2:06:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's like in the middle of the night.
• 2:06:20
  SPEAKER_00: And they're both in their jammies.
• 2:06:22
  SPEAKER_00: And they see each other from across the entryway of the hotel.
• 2:06:26
  SPEAKER_00: And he walks up to her and she's like, that was the worst lunch ever.
• 2:06:29
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, yes.
• 2:06:32
  SPEAKER_03: And they kind of like... And what does he say?
• 2:06:33
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's very you.
• 2:06:35
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 2:06:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 2:06:36
  He says,
• 2:06:36
  he says...
• 2:06:37
  He says,
• 2:06:38
  what kind of restaurant makes you cook your own food?
• 2:06:41
  SPEAKER_03: Which is so funny because I used to love to go to Shabu Shabu and...
• 2:06:46
  SPEAKER_03: What else did we used to do?
• 2:06:47
  You know,
• 2:06:48
  where you do the fucking make your own food and the hot pot thing?
• 2:06:52
  SPEAKER_03: Like... Okonomiyaki, all of that.
• 2:06:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you basically, like, cook your own food.
• 2:06:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's supposed to be an experience.
• 2:07:00
  SPEAKER_03: You always...
• 2:07:03
  SPEAKER_00: I find it irritating.
• 2:07:04
  SPEAKER_00: I find it irritating.
• 2:07:05
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, why do I have to go cook my own food?
• 2:07:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 2:07:07
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 2:07:07
  SPEAKER_00: why would I go to a restaurant and pay,
• 2:07:09
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 2:07:09
  SPEAKER_00: a hundred fucking dollars to,
• 2:07:11
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 2:07:11
  make my own food when I can just buy this shit and make my own
• 2:07:14
  food at home,
• 2:07:15
  SPEAKER_00: you know?
• 2:07:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I'm literally paying money to make my own food,
• 2:07:19
  SPEAKER_00: which I can do way cheaper at home if I'm going to cook my own food.
• 2:07:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's the experience.
• 2:07:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, fuck that experience, right?
• 2:07:27
  Like,
• 2:07:28
  the reason I go to a restaurant is because I don't want the
• 2:07:31
  cooking experience.
• 2:07:35
  SPEAKER_00: But whatever, that's like a thing that we're never gonna get over.
• 2:07:39
  SPEAKER_00: I get the experience of picking food every night,
• 2:07:43
  SPEAKER_00: which I enjoy doing,
• 2:07:44
  SPEAKER_00: but I don't wanna pay money,
• 2:07:47
  SPEAKER_00: like a grocery bill's worth of money so I can kick my own food.
• 2:07:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's retarded.
• 2:07:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 2:07:54
  SPEAKER_03: Agree to just agree.
• 2:07:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right, well, okay.
• 2:07:59
  SPEAKER_00: So then they end up at the bar in their jammies.
• 2:08:02
  SPEAKER_03: And it's a very, like, romantic scene.
• 2:08:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a very romantic scene.
• 2:08:06
  SPEAKER_00: And this is where now they're on the same level.
• 2:08:09
  SPEAKER_00: They are on the same level.
• 2:08:11
  SPEAKER_00: They're very... They're both vulnerable.
• 2:08:13
  SPEAKER_00: And it's probably one of the best scenes in the movie.
• 2:08:16
  SPEAKER_00: And they're... They... Hold hands.
• 2:08:18
  SPEAKER_00: They hold hands.
• 2:08:19
  SPEAKER_00: And they have very kind of romantic...
• 2:08:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's almost a kissing scene.
• 2:08:23
  SPEAKER_00: Almost, right?
• 2:08:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then they have to go.
• 2:08:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's Sunday.
• 2:08:31
  SPEAKER_00: And he has to leave the next day.
• 2:08:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then her husband's coming back the next day.
• 2:08:36
  SPEAKER_00: And the next scene is the morning.
• 2:08:38
  SPEAKER_00: And he's leaving.
• 2:08:40
  SPEAKER_00: And she gets a fax that her husband's coming back.
• 2:08:42
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, oh, I love you.
• 2:08:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm coming back or whatever.
• 2:08:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:08:46
  SPEAKER_00: And he's downstairs and he's getting ready to leave.
• 2:08:51
  SPEAKER_00: And he calls her room and he's like,
• 2:08:52
  SPEAKER_00: hey,
• 2:08:53
  SPEAKER_00: can you bring my jacket that I left at your room or something like that.
• 2:08:57
  SPEAKER_00: And she comes down and there's this like weird,
• 2:09:00
  SPEAKER_00: like blonde thought that's like talking to him,
• 2:09:02
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 2:09:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:09:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I think she's there just to illustrate like his...
• 2:09:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like, his, um... She's, like, extra hot, too.
• 2:09:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:09:16
  SPEAKER_00: She's almost, like, prettier than ScarJo in a way, you know?
• 2:09:19
  SPEAKER_03: She's, like, hot and, like, in her... And she's American.
• 2:09:22
  SPEAKER_03: And she's closer to his age.
• 2:09:25
  SPEAKER_03: But, like, he blows her off completely because Charlotte comes down.
• 2:09:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that just,
• 2:09:31
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:09:32
  SPEAKER_03: illustrates,
• 2:09:32
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:09:33
  SPEAKER_03: his,
• 2:09:33
  SPEAKER_03: um...
• 2:09:34
  SPEAKER_00: His focus or what...
• 2:09:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah,
• 2:09:36
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:09:36
  SPEAKER_03: or his,
• 2:09:37
  SPEAKER_03: um...
• 2:09:40
  SPEAKER_03: I can't think of the word.
• 2:09:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:09:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:09:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:09:44
  SPEAKER_00: And he, they have like an awkward moment of like goodbye.
• 2:09:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:09:49
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like so frustrating.
• 2:09:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's frustrating.
• 2:09:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's so frustrating.
• 2:09:54
  He gets in the cab and they're driving away and he is
• 2:09:57
  completely like distraught.
• 2:10:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's heading towards the airport in this cab.
• 2:10:03
  SPEAKER_03: It just, it all feels very unfinished.
• 2:10:07
  right right like like a like a like a blue balls kind of
• 2:10:10
  feeling you know what i
• 2:10:11
  mean like uh well maybe i feel like it's more of like not not
• 2:10:17
  so much blue balls
• 2:10:18
  it's more of just like it it wasn't a proper goodbye and you
• 2:10:23
  can like actually like
• 2:10:24
  feel it because there's like that like his like entourage in
• 2:10:28
  the hotel lobby and
• 2:10:29
  SPEAKER_03: it's like
• 2:10:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like, pressure.
• 2:10:32
  SPEAKER_03: And, like, they just did not get a proper good ride.
• 2:10:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 2:10:35
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even think they hugged.
• 2:10:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right, they didn't.
• 2:10:37
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't.
• 2:10:38
  SPEAKER_00: And he's driving in the cab.
• 2:10:40
  SPEAKER_00: And they're driving what looks like down by Harajuku almost.
• 2:10:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, kind of like the alley.
• 2:10:48
  SPEAKER_00: And he sees her walking down the street.
• 2:10:50
  SPEAKER_00: And he tells the cab driver to stop.
• 2:10:52
  SPEAKER_00: He hops out of the cab.
• 2:10:54
  SPEAKER_00: And he chases her through, like, this crowd of people down.
• 2:10:57
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like...
• 2:10:59
  it's like your stereotypical beautiful like go after the girl
• 2:11:04
  scene like through
• 2:11:06
  you you see him towering above all the japanese people and it's
• 2:11:09
  kind of like
• 2:11:10
  flipping from like him to her and it's so beautiful it's like
• 2:11:14
  the front the ending
• 2:11:15
  SPEAKER_00: of friends when ross chases rachel it's
• 2:11:20
  it's very oh my gosh it's so good and and another great song
• 2:11:25
  starts playing right
• 2:11:27
  Just Like Honey by Jesus and Mary Chain and he stops her and he
• 2:11:33
  gives her a hug and
• 2:11:36
  SPEAKER_00: he it's my dog having a dream again
• 2:11:41
  SPEAKER_00: What do dogs dream of?
• 2:11:43
  SPEAKER_03: What do dogs dream of?
• 2:11:45
  SPEAKER_03: She's definitely chasing a squirrel.
• 2:11:47
  SPEAKER_00: Or something, right?
• 2:11:49
  SPEAKER_00: So he stops her and gives her a big old hug.
• 2:11:52
  SPEAKER_00: And he whispers something to her.
• 2:11:55
  SPEAKER_00: But it's inaudible in the movie.
• 2:11:57
  SPEAKER_00: Even with the subtitles turned on, it's off.
• 2:12:00
  SPEAKER_03: And there's like theories.
• 2:12:03
  SPEAKER_00: What are some of the theories?
• 2:12:04
  SPEAKER_03: I guess like the big one is...
• 2:12:11
  SPEAKER_03: I have to be leaving, but I won't let that come between us.
• 2:12:14
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 2:12:15
  SPEAKER_03: Because she does respond.
• 2:12:17
  SPEAKER_03: She does say, okay.
• 2:12:19
  SPEAKER_03: But like, it's supposed to be just kind of a mystery.
• 2:12:23
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
• 2:12:28
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think he says to her?
• 2:12:29
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 2:12:30
  SPEAKER_03: I feel, I think that it definitely could be along those lines.
• 2:12:35
  SPEAKER_03: I think, um,
• 2:12:37
  SPEAKER_03: After that moment, it did feel like it wasn't a final goodbye.
• 2:12:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 2:12:45
  I didn't...
• 2:12:46
  You know,
• 2:12:46
  what I...
• 2:12:47
  It's interesting because I think maybe that will be like...
• 2:12:52
  maybe that scene that whatever he whispered to her and what you
• 2:12:56
  think he whispered
• 2:12:57
  to her is a like a litmus test you know like uh one of those
• 2:13:04
  those uh uh rough
• 2:13:05
  sharp tests of like how your personality is you know because
• 2:13:11
  what i thought was
• 2:13:12
  that he whispered something some kind of affirmation like
• 2:13:15
  you'll do good you'll be
• 2:13:16
  SPEAKER_00: okay you know what i mean
• 2:13:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're great.
• 2:13:19
  You don't think it had anything to do with like,
• 2:13:22
  I want to continue whatever you have going on.
• 2:13:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's not what I felt out of it.
• 2:13:26
  SPEAKER_00: I felt that he told her that like, she's great.
• 2:13:30
  SPEAKER_00: She's fantastic.
• 2:13:31
  SPEAKER_03: See,
• 2:13:32
  I don't feel that because I feel like she would have clung onto
• 2:13:34
  him a little more
• 2:13:35
  SPEAKER_03: and not let him go as easily.
• 2:13:38
  SPEAKER_00: I just, that's what I felt.
• 2:13:39
  SPEAKER_00: I felt like he told her like, you're fantastic.
• 2:13:41
  SPEAKER_00: You're great.
• 2:13:43
  SPEAKER_00: You'll do well.
• 2:13:44
  SPEAKER_00: You'll be okay.
• 2:13:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, things are going to be good.
• 2:13:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then he left her, you know?
• 2:13:49
  I didn't think it was like a,
• 2:13:53
  oh,
• 2:13:53
  we'll meet again in Los Angeles or something like that.
• 2:13:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 2:13:56
  SPEAKER_00: It was like,
• 2:13:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was a,
• 2:13:59
  because it just doesn't make sense because ultimately he loves
• 2:14:02
  his wife and his children.
• 2:14:05
  SPEAKER_03: Does he though?
• 2:14:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he loves his children and he loves his like.
• 2:14:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:14:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then he, he never talks ill about his wife.
• 2:14:12
  SPEAKER_00: He just says, no, things are different now.
• 2:14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:14:16
  and i think but but that um i guess i mean i have to be leaving
• 2:14:22
  but i won't let
• 2:14:23
  that come between us okay that doesn't reply anything romantic
• 2:14:27
  but i guess if they
• 2:14:28
  did if i mean it was going because like what what what's going
• 2:14:32
  to happen if they
• 2:14:32
  meet again you know what i mean they're trying to hang out
• 2:14:36
  right like it doesn't
• 2:14:36
  make any sense right i don't know why but like and i i think
• 2:14:41
  we're kind of
• 2:14:42
  chatting about this earlier like the end of that movie makes me
• 2:14:46
  really sad right
• 2:14:47
  well he gets him back into the cab and he's content you know
• 2:14:53
  and you know honestly
• 2:14:54
  like bill murray is a fantastic actor you know in a lot of
• 2:14:58
  movies he's just like he
• 2:14:59
  phones it in as bill murray like the last ghostbusters and
• 2:15:03
  stuff but in this movie
• 2:15:05
  SPEAKER_00: he's acting he's he's got he's on he's a
• 2:15:09
  SPEAKER_00: This might be his best movie.
• 2:15:10
  SPEAKER_03: Well, him and Scarlett Johansson have great chemistry in this movie.
• 2:15:14
  SPEAKER_00: And he's content and you can feel the contentment.
• 2:15:17
  SPEAKER_00: And it is kind of a blue balls kind of ending,
• 2:15:20
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:15:20
  SPEAKER_00: where like,
• 2:15:22
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:15:22
  SPEAKER_00: they had these,
• 2:15:23
  SPEAKER_00: this romantic,
• 2:15:24
  SPEAKER_00: not romantic thing.
• 2:15:25
  It's kind of like the scene from Pulp Fiction when Vincent
• 2:15:28
  Vega's looking over there.
• 2:15:29
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, he's like, oh, I'm going to bang about nine.
• 2:15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my God.
• 2:15:33
  SPEAKER_00: There's a few moments in the movie where you feel that.
• 2:15:36
  SPEAKER_00: But when he gets in the cab, he's content.
• 2:15:38
  SPEAKER_00: He's happy.
• 2:15:39
  You get that song playing,
• 2:15:41
  and it's bittersweet,
• 2:15:43
  but he doesn't seem to be distraught anymore.
• 2:15:46
  SPEAKER_00: He seems to be like, yes, I'm okay.
• 2:15:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going home.
• 2:15:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm okay.
• 2:15:51
  And that's why I felt like he told her something like,
• 2:15:55
  you're going to be okay.
• 2:15:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to be fine.
• 2:15:57
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to be great.
• 2:15:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like he told her something like that.
• 2:16:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's, that's what I felt.
• 2:16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Or that like,
• 2:16:03
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:16:03
  SPEAKER_00: you're amazing and I love you or something like that,
• 2:16:06
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:16:07
  SPEAKER_00: but not like we're going to meet up and bang in Los Angeles.
• 2:16:11
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's not how I took it either, but I like, I don't know.
• 2:16:16
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like, um,
• 2:16:20
  SPEAKER_03: In like a weird way, I feel like they never did meet again.
• 2:16:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they ever met again either.
• 2:16:26
  And even though I think that there was intent to meet again,
• 2:16:30
  I don't think they did.
• 2:16:32
  SPEAKER_03: And like thinking about that makes it like, I'm really sad about that.
• 2:16:37
  SPEAKER_03: And but then again,
• 2:16:40
  SPEAKER_03: also from like,
• 2:16:44
  SPEAKER_03: like personal experience,
• 2:16:46
  SPEAKER_03: like living in a foreign country and
• 2:16:51
  doing i mean i obviously like didn't have like an emotional
• 2:16:56
  affair with like a dude
• 2:16:57
  who was like a 60 year old actor but like that i know of right
• 2:17:05
  no but like um but i
• 2:17:07
  SPEAKER_03: i did do a lot of things on my own and i um
• 2:17:17
  I'm a different person now than I was in Japan but like a Japan
• 2:17:21
  was like a huge
• 2:17:22
  part of what made me who I am now and I feel like if I went
• 2:17:30
  back to Japan and did
• 2:17:32
  all the same things over again it just it wouldn't it would not
• 2:17:37
  be the same and I
• 2:17:38
  SPEAKER_03: feel like that's how like a lot of things in life are you know because
• 2:17:44
  and and and that's i think that i think that right there is
• 2:17:46
  what makes me sad about
• 2:17:48
  it because they'll never they'll never have that again that
• 2:17:52
  only happens one time
• 2:17:53
  right and like the um like that the whole the whole like night
• 2:18:00
  out montage with
• 2:18:01
  SPEAKER_03: like like the bar and like the karaoke pod and stuff like
• 2:18:08
  SPEAKER_03: that was, that was like peak, you know, that's as good as it gets.
• 2:18:13
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like I had a lot of those moments and I,
• 2:18:17
  SPEAKER_03: um,
• 2:18:19
  SPEAKER_03: I will never have those ever again,
• 2:18:22
  SPEAKER_03: even if I tried to replicate them.
• 2:18:24
  Do you think that this relationship that they had between the
• 2:18:30
  two of them,
• 2:18:31
  SPEAKER_00: would it have happened if they,
• 2:18:33
  SPEAKER_00: let's say they were in Los Angeles?
• 2:18:36
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 2:18:37
  SPEAKER_00: No, right?
• 2:18:37
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely not.
• 2:18:39
  And that's why I don't think he told her,
• 2:18:41
  meet me in Los Angeles or something like that.
• 2:18:43
  SPEAKER_00: Because Japan was a critical character in their relationship.
• 2:18:51
  SPEAKER_03: 100%, yes.
• 2:18:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 2:18:53
  SPEAKER_00: The alienation.
• 2:18:54
  SPEAKER_00: They were people... They were longing for connection.
• 2:18:57
  SPEAKER_03: And that's another thing, too.
• 2:18:59
  SPEAKER_03: Because, okay, Bill Murray...
• 2:19:01
  if you like look if somebody showed you a picture of bill
• 2:19:04
  murray and you knew
• 2:19:05
  nothing about him you wouldn't be like oh my god that guy is so
• 2:19:09
  fucking hot like he
• 2:19:11
  is not like a super i mean i don't even think like young bill
• 2:19:15
  murray was super
• 2:19:16
  attractive honestly but then like you see him and you know in
• 2:19:21
  character and like
• 2:19:23
  SPEAKER_03: he's got the vibe and like
• 2:19:26
  SPEAKER_03: He is attractive.
• 2:19:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like,
• 2:19:28
  SPEAKER_03: in this movie,
• 2:19:28
  SPEAKER_03: he's,
• 2:19:29
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:19:29
  SPEAKER_03: attractive to me because of...
• 2:19:32
  SPEAKER_03: Or Bob Harris is attractive to me.
• 2:19:34
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
• 2:19:36
  SPEAKER_03: And obviously, like, Charlotte, she's gorgeous, you know?
• 2:19:39
  SPEAKER_03: Scarlett Johansson, she's, like, one of the most beautiful women alive.
• 2:19:43
  Which is interesting because this is one of at least two movies
• 2:19:49
  we've watched...
• 2:19:51
  SPEAKER_00: With her in a marriage failure situation.
• 2:19:55
  Because she was in that movie,
• 2:19:58
  that recent movie from a few years ago,
• 2:19:59
  Marriage Story,
• 2:20:00
  right?
• 2:20:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 2:20:02
  SPEAKER_03: With Adam Driver.
• 2:20:03
  SPEAKER_00: And she was kind of unlikable in that movie.
• 2:20:09
  feel like and she definitely didn't play like the bombshell
• 2:20:12
  yeah and i feel like in
• 2:20:13
  that movie you really i i feel like i empathize with adam
• 2:20:18
  driver's character
• 2:20:19
  instead of kind of like the mean ex-wife kind of yeah scholar
• 2:20:25
  johansson you know
• 2:20:26
  but yeah i mean you think that that he's attractive in this one
• 2:20:31
  i mean i mean i do
• 2:20:32
  SPEAKER_03: i do and um
• 2:20:36
  just because of I think just because of how adventurous he was
• 2:20:40
  and his sense of
• 2:20:41
  humor and also like his wisdom and like how nurturing he was to
• 2:20:46
  her like that's all
• 2:20:47
  like very attractive and um I can see how like so you know
• 2:20:55
  longing for like
• 2:20:56
  SPEAKER_03: connection and
• 2:20:58
  and feeling vulnerable all like it's easy to like fall into
• 2:21:06
  like that right so it's
• 2:21:09
  very interesting from a from a male perspective right first of
• 2:21:12
  all she's super hot
• 2:21:13
  in this movie right give or take the fact that she's 17 so
• 2:21:16
  we're just gonna ignore
• 2:21:18
  SPEAKER_00: that right
• 2:21:19
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, she's a beautiful girl.
• 2:21:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's beautiful in this movie, right?
• 2:21:23
  And it starts off with a very sexualized scene and she looks
• 2:21:27
  gorgeous in it,
• 2:21:28
  right?
• 2:21:31
  SPEAKER_00: Now, when you look at her from the male gaze, male perspective, right?
• 2:21:37
  SPEAKER_00: You have to look at her from both...
• 2:21:41
  both Bob's viewpoint as male and also Giovanni Ribisi's
• 2:21:45
  character as male,
• 2:21:46
  right?
• 2:21:47
  SPEAKER_00: I have been both characters in a way.
• 2:21:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel, well, I've been more Giovanni Ribisi than Bob, right?
• 2:21:57
  i can see being the husband of a young woman and being a young
• 2:22:02
  kind of like career
• 2:22:03
  driven husband and being frustrated with her right where yes
• 2:22:07
  she's attractive but
• 2:22:09
  she's also kind of a frump you know she's not playing the game
• 2:22:13
  that i'm playing
• 2:22:13
  like you know he's wearing stylish clothes and like being you
• 2:22:16
  know and she's kind
• 2:22:17
  SPEAKER_00: of wearing like the frumpiest clothes you know and being this like downer
• 2:22:22
  art hoe kind of girl you know i mean and she's kind of downing
• 2:22:26
  on like everything i
• 2:22:28
  do by you know kind of shooting down like all the people i talk
• 2:22:32
  to and stuff and i
• 2:22:34
  can see being frustrated with her you know i can see being like
• 2:22:36
  uninterested in her
• 2:22:37
  or like wanting her not to be around you know kind of like
• 2:22:41
  cramping my vibes when
• 2:22:42
  SPEAKER_00: i'm out
• 2:22:43
  being a photographer in Japan now as an older man I also can
• 2:22:49
  see the attraction of
• 2:22:51
  being into her from Bill Murray's character perspective which
• 2:22:55
  is she's making him
• 2:22:57
  feel young again in a way you know and needed and she's
• 2:23:00
  interested in him she's
• 2:23:02
  interested in like what he's doing and what do you think he
• 2:23:05
  would have had that
• 2:23:06
  SPEAKER_03: same connection with her if she were older
• 2:23:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, probably not.
• 2:23:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because in a way,
• 2:23:15
  SPEAKER_00: for example,
• 2:23:16
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 2:23:17
  SPEAKER_00: the bar singer,
• 2:23:20
  SPEAKER_00: the show tune singer that he hooks up with,
• 2:23:22
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 2:23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:23:23
  SPEAKER_00: She's kind of jaded.
• 2:23:24
  SPEAKER_00: She's at his level, you know?
• 2:23:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but that, but... But if... Like, why the age gap?
• 2:23:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what if she was his age...
• 2:23:41
  SPEAKER_03: But had like the same personality.
• 2:23:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that might have worked.
• 2:23:44
  SPEAKER_03: You think so?
• 2:23:44
  SPEAKER_00: That might have worked, right?
• 2:23:46
  SPEAKER_00: That might have worked for him.
• 2:23:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that would have made him.
• 2:23:49
  SPEAKER_03: But that also would have put like if she,
• 2:23:52
  SPEAKER_03: if there's another woman,
• 2:23:54
  SPEAKER_03: if Charlotte was his age and married,
• 2:23:58
  SPEAKER_03: that would have been a whole different dynamic too.
• 2:23:59
  It would have been a different dynamic because she would have
• 2:24:01
  just slept with him.
• 2:24:04
  SPEAKER_00: If she was his age or around his age, she just would have slept with him.
• 2:24:08
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 2:24:09
  SPEAKER_03: she would have had,
• 2:24:09
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:24:10
  SPEAKER_03: the wisdom of,
• 2:24:11
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:24:11
  SPEAKER_03: being in,
• 2:24:11
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:24:12
  SPEAKER_03: a long-term marriage and all of that.
• 2:24:14
  SPEAKER_03: You think she would have slept with him?
• 2:24:15
  SPEAKER_03: Why do you say that?
• 2:24:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because if there were two people in kind of the same situation,
• 2:24:22
  SPEAKER_00: right,
• 2:24:23
  SPEAKER_00: existentially,
• 2:24:24
  SPEAKER_00: right,
• 2:24:25
  where they're both unhappy with their lives back home in a
• 2:24:28
  strange foreign place,
• 2:24:30
  SPEAKER_00: right –
• 2:24:31
  and she would have slept with him in the same way the bartender
• 2:24:34
  would have slept
• 2:24:34
  with him or the the bar singer slept with him you know what i
• 2:24:37
  mean right um she
• 2:24:39
  would have there wouldn't have been the same level of it would
• 2:24:44
  have never never
• 2:24:45
  been as intimate because they never would have been able to
• 2:24:48
  break that level you
• 2:24:49
  know it would have been there wouldn't have been this like
• 2:24:53
  connection because she
• 2:24:55
  SPEAKER_00: brought him youth and innocence in a way and he brought her like
• 2:25:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like mentorship in a way.
• 2:25:01
  SPEAKER_00: Mentorship, right.
• 2:25:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 2:25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:25:04
  SPEAKER_00: And if they were equal,
• 2:25:05
  SPEAKER_00: if they were the same equal age,
• 2:25:06
  SPEAKER_00: they would have been like,
• 2:25:07
  SPEAKER_00: okay,
• 2:25:08
  SPEAKER_00: we're both disillusioned with our lives.
• 2:25:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but isn't there more at stake at that point in a way?
• 2:25:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, but at the same time, like two people at the same age.
• 2:25:17
  SPEAKER_03: You're like, I'm going to die in a few years.
• 2:25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 2:25:20
  two people at the same age meeting each other in a foreign
• 2:25:23
  country where they
• 2:25:24
  SPEAKER_00: probably never would meet again.
• 2:25:25
  SPEAKER_00: There's almost like, it's almost too easy to cheat, if that makes sense.
• 2:25:30
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:25:31
  It's like they would have just been an affair that they would
• 2:25:35
  have both forgotten,
• 2:25:36
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:25:37
  SPEAKER_00: in a way.
• 2:25:37
  SPEAKER_00: OK,
• 2:25:39
  in a way with in a way that his sleeping with the bartender
• 2:25:45
  girl or the singer girl
• 2:25:46
  SPEAKER_00: or whatever is inconsequential.
• 2:25:50
  SPEAKER_00: Because he had no real... There was nothing there.
• 2:25:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 2:25:57
  If he would have slept with ScarJo,
• 2:26:00
  there would have been something there.
• 2:26:02
  SPEAKER_00: It would have been an actual emotional...
• 2:26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like,
• 2:26:07
  if he used to go back to his wife and his wife was going to
• 2:26:09
  blame him for an affair,
• 2:26:11
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 2:26:12
  Even though he didn't sleep with ScarJo,
• 2:26:13
  what he did with her was a lot worse in a way.
• 2:26:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, the emotional affair.
• 2:26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if you were to put down, like...
• 2:26:22
  SPEAKER_03: But they didn't even do anything like – It doesn't matter though, right?
• 2:26:25
  SPEAKER_00: He legitimately loved her in a way, right?
• 2:26:29
  SPEAKER_03: He – Do you think they fell in love with each other?
• 2:26:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, maybe.
• 2:26:32
  SPEAKER_00: But then we talk about like the idea of different types of love, right?
• 2:26:37
  Like the whole Greek like Christian concept that there's
• 2:26:40
  different types of love.
• 2:26:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's like love of a friend, love of a –
• 2:26:44
  SPEAKER_00: sexual nature, love of a emotional level.
• 2:26:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean, right?
• 2:26:50
  SPEAKER_00: And their love, there's definitely love in their relationship.
• 2:26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Their love went way well above lust, if that makes sense.
• 2:27:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, or else they would have just slept together.
• 2:27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Lust is like the lowest form of love, if that makes sense, right?
• 2:27:08
  And what he had with the bartender girl who doesn't even get a
• 2:27:13
  name in the movie or
• 2:27:15
  any character personality or anything like that beyond like
• 2:27:18
  she's a singer in a bar,
• 2:27:20
  SPEAKER_00: was almost inconsequential,
• 2:27:22
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 2:27:22
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't matter.
• 2:27:24
  SPEAKER_00: And in a very feminine perspective is that like...
• 2:27:29
  SPEAKER_00: emotional cheating is sometimes worse than real cheating, you know?
• 2:27:32
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 2:27:33
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 2:27:33
  I think if Charlotte and Bob Harris slept together at some
• 2:27:40
  point in that movie,
• 2:27:42
  SPEAKER_03: I think it would have made me like him less.
• 2:27:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right, it would have ruined the movie.
• 2:27:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 100%.
• 2:27:45
  SPEAKER_00: It would have ruined the movie, right?
• 2:27:48
  Like,
• 2:27:48
  part of the greatness of the movie is that they did not sleep together.
• 2:27:53
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:27:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 2:27:54
  SPEAKER_03: But they didn't do anything together.
• 2:27:55
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I guess they, like, gave her...
• 2:27:58
  like that kiss at the end but it was so like it was like
• 2:28:03
  debatable it wasn't like
• 2:28:05
  he like they slipped each other tongue yeah you know it was
• 2:28:07
  very like i don't know
• 2:28:09
  so you know this movie opens the topic which is a topic on like
• 2:28:15
  the internet sphere
• 2:28:17
  SPEAKER_00: and that kind of stuff which is um
• 2:28:21
  you get you would have some people say that everything he did
• 2:28:24
  was wrong that he was
• 2:28:25
  taking advantage of her do you think he was taking advantage of
• 2:28:27
  her no not at all
• 2:28:29
  no no okay but also like i think a lot of people feel
• 2:28:35
  differently about that but no
• 2:28:36
  i don't think he took advantage of her because like he he
• 2:28:44
  didn't he didn't like
• 2:28:46
  SPEAKER_03: prey on any of her weaknesses or anything
• 2:28:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 2:28:50
  SPEAKER_00: so this movie is interesting because if this movie was made by a man,
• 2:28:55
  SPEAKER_00: it would have been,
• 2:28:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think it would have been accused of being a male fantasy.
• 2:29:02
  It would have been stereotyped right away as a male fantasy,
• 2:29:09
  a pervy old man's fantasy.
• 2:29:12
  If Francis Ford Coppola made this movie instead of Sofia Coppola,
• 2:29:16
  it would have
• 2:29:20
  SPEAKER_00: blasted everywhere as the fantasy of a pervy old man.
• 2:29:25
  SPEAKER_03: Well, have you seen Shop Girl with Claire Danes and Steve Martin?
• 2:29:36
  SPEAKER_03: He wrote that movie?
• 2:29:38
  SPEAKER_03: Let me see. 2005...
• 2:29:47
  he wrote it and it's basically he's a like rich old dude claire
• 2:29:54
  danes is a girl
• 2:29:55
  that works at like a department store like a high-end
• 2:29:57
  department store and they i
• 2:30:01
  think he's single he's like a playboy kind of um and she is
• 2:30:07
  like you know like your
• 2:30:09
  SPEAKER_03: regular old girl and um
• 2:30:15
  SPEAKER_03: there's,
• 2:30:15
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:30:15
  SPEAKER_03: huge age gap,
• 2:30:16
  SPEAKER_03: but he,
• 2:30:17
  SPEAKER_03: he,
• 2:30:18
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:30:18
  SPEAKER_03: basically kind of,
• 2:30:19
  SPEAKER_03: he becomes,
• 2:30:20
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:30:20
  SPEAKER_03: her sugar daddy and,
• 2:30:21
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:30:21
  SPEAKER_03: takes care of her,
• 2:30:23
  SPEAKER_03: but,
• 2:30:23
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:30:24
  SPEAKER_03: ends up kind of,
• 2:30:26
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:30:26
  SPEAKER_03: breaking her heart,
• 2:30:27
  SPEAKER_03: and it's,
• 2:30:28
  SPEAKER_03: it's a pretty sad movie.
• 2:30:30
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 2:30:31
  SPEAKER_03: I think,
• 2:30:31
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:30:31
  SPEAKER_03: any movie like that's sad,
• 2:30:33
  SPEAKER_03: but,
• 2:30:33
  SPEAKER_03: um,
• 2:30:34
  SPEAKER_03: that,
• 2:30:35
  SPEAKER_03: that's,
• 2:30:35
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:30:38
  SPEAKER_03: you,
• 2:30:39
  SPEAKER_03: you have to watch it.
• 2:30:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so, like,
• 2:30:42
  if this movie was directed by a male and written by a male it
• 2:30:48
  would probably get
• 2:30:49
  accused of being a pervy fantasy right but because it's
• 2:30:52
  directed by a female by a
• 2:30:54
  woman and directed and written by a woman it's not a pervy
• 2:30:59
  fantasy right i don't
• 2:31:01
  think he did anything pervy though right but like do you think
• 2:31:05
  it would be
• 2:31:05
  SPEAKER_00: considered a pervy fantasy by women or more feminist type women
• 2:31:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I do.
• 2:31:11
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:31:12
  SPEAKER_00: Now, what do you think is an appropriate age gap?
• 2:31:19
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm the wrong person to ask because I'm all about the age gap.
• 2:31:24
  SPEAKER_00: The age gap?
• 2:31:26
  SPEAKER_00: No, so for the record, what's our age gap?
• 2:31:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like three years?
• 2:31:30
  um no more four four years we're we have a four so we have an
• 2:31:34
  appropriate age gap i
• 2:31:36
  SPEAKER_03: think by uh society standards i think that it like if
• 2:31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she had a 20-year-old, early 20s girl.
• 2:31:50
  Let's assume Scar Jo was 17 when this movie was filmed,
• 2:31:53
  but she was portraying in early 20s.
• 2:31:56
  SPEAKER_00: So she was old enough to drink in Japan, so she had to be at least 20.
• 2:32:00
  SPEAKER_00: So let's just say she's 20.
• 2:32:01
  SPEAKER_03: Are you asking me if I think that that is an appropriate age?
• 2:32:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:32:05
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 2:32:05
  SPEAKER_03: I say, like, why not?
• 2:32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:32:09
  SPEAKER_00: I just want to get that on the record now.
• 2:32:11
  I want to make sure that,
• 2:32:13
  like,
• 2:32:14
  so a 20-year-old girl,
• 2:32:17
  woman,
• 2:32:17
  because a 20-year-old is a woman.
• 2:32:18
  SPEAKER_03: What do you mean appropriate?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, is it okay if they're, like, banging or, like,
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  like should they get married or yeah should they be banging
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  should a 55 year old
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  bang a 20 year old yeah why not i don't see a problem with that
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  but like if you're
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  talking like about like we're talking like logistics here like
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  he's like too old to
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  like become like a dad you know or like a new dad i i i think
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  mick jagger had a kid
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  SPEAKER_00: like at 70.
• 2:32:50
  SPEAKER_03: he's too old to even have like the kids that he has.
• 2:32:54
  SPEAKER_00: And it sounded like he has, he has young kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: He has kids like younger than our kid.
• 2:32:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:32:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:33:00
  SPEAKER_00: But he's still a dad.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  But it's interesting because if you,
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  if you follow like internet discourse,
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  um,
• 2:33:08
  There's a movement or a kind of belief in that sphere of
• 2:33:17
  internet discourse that
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  SPEAKER_00: thinks that a 25-year-old is too old for a 20-year-old.
• 2:33:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's like any type of age gap is like a total, this guy's a pervert.
• 2:33:30
  SPEAKER_00: There's a power imbalance or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you think power imbalances are wrong?
• 2:33:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:33:36
  SPEAKER_03: Do I think they're wrong?
• 2:33:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 2:33:37
  SPEAKER_03: And I, I think it, I think it's like case by case basis.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:33:42
  SPEAKER_00: There's nuance to it, right?
• 2:33:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, for sure.
• 2:33:45
  SPEAKER_00: Now,
• 2:33:45
  SPEAKER_00: I,
• 2:33:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think that in a way,
• 2:33:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think that there should be some level of experience and balance.
• 2:33:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think that in a relationship,
• 2:33:55
  SPEAKER_00: one person should be more experienced than the other in a way,
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  SPEAKER_00: because that's how you grow.
• 2:33:59
  SPEAKER_00: If that makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um,
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  But I don't know if,
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  I mean,
• 2:34:05
  definitely a 55-year-old and a 20-year-old is awkward,
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  right?
• 2:34:09
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah, that's like parental age.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right, like he's old enough to be your dad, you know?
• 2:34:14
  SPEAKER_03: But also like I'm kind of into it, you know?
• 2:34:17
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 2:34:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, see, I mean, you read all those pornographic fantasy stories.
• 2:34:23
  SPEAKER_00: No, I do not.
• 2:34:24
  SPEAKER_00: For the record, no, I don't.
• 2:34:26
  SPEAKER_00: But that's an interesting thing, right?
• 2:34:27
  SPEAKER_00: So like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  we have one kind of puritanical bit of our internet society or
• 2:34:33
  internet discourse.
• 2:34:35
  that sees,
• 2:34:35
  like,
• 2:34:36
  a 22-year-old sleeping with an 18-year-old as,
• 2:34:38
  like,
• 2:34:38
  a freaking sin,
• 2:34:39
  you know?
• 2:34:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he's, like, a pedophile, right?
• 2:34:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's crazy.
• 2:34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 2:34:43
  SPEAKER_00: And then,
• 2:34:43
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 2:34:44
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:34:45
  SPEAKER_00: then you have...
• 2:34:45
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's,
• 2:34:47
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:34:47
  SPEAKER_03: less about age and more about,
• 2:34:50
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:34:52
  SPEAKER_03: your position in,
• 2:34:55
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 2:34:55
  SPEAKER_03: the other person's life.
• 2:34:56
  SPEAKER_03: Like... Right.
• 2:35:00
  SPEAKER_03: You know, like...
• 2:35:03
  SPEAKER_03: is like definitely debatable.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:35:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's unethical.
• 2:35:08
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:35:09
  That's unethical because there's a power control thing where
• 2:35:13
  there's a...
• 2:35:14
  Exactly.
• 2:35:14
  SPEAKER_00: There's a power level that's not sexual or emotional involved.
• 2:35:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:35:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:35:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like a high-ranking person in a corporation or a military person looking,
• 2:35:25
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:35:26
  like some officer in the military sleeping with like a junior
• 2:35:31
  brand new to the
• 2:35:32
  SPEAKER_00: military person.
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  person that that person has power over their career or their
• 2:35:37
  livelihood like that's
• 2:35:38
  completely like unethical right but in this situation there was
• 2:35:42
  no either they're
• 2:35:44
  both in the same well what do you think do you think it's i
• 2:35:47
  don't think it's
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  unethical right i i don't think there's anything wrong with
• 2:35:51
  their relationship
• 2:35:52
  right um there's but like long term i don't think it's feasible
• 2:35:57
  agreed right i
• 2:35:58
  don't think that they could go i don't think they could have
• 2:36:00
  slept together and
• 2:36:01
  SPEAKER_00: then like
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  SPEAKER_00: The only way they would have,
• 2:36:06
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 2:36:06
  SPEAKER_00: been able to,
• 2:36:06
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 2:36:07
  SPEAKER_00: sustain a relationship is if they stayed in Japan.
• 2:36:11
  SPEAKER_03: Totally.
• 2:36:11
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 2:36:12
  SPEAKER_03: Because that... Yeah.
• 2:36:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like,
• 2:36:15
  SPEAKER_00: if they both called their husband and wife and said,
• 2:36:17
  SPEAKER_00: hey,
• 2:36:17
  SPEAKER_00: we're gone,
• 2:36:18
  SPEAKER_00: we're staying in Japan.
• 2:36:19
  Yeah,
• 2:36:19
  because once you get back to the real world,
• 2:36:20
  it's,
• 2:36:21
  like,
• 2:36:21
  all the real world things.
• 2:36:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:36:23
  SPEAKER_03: And...
• 2:36:25
  right yeah and then even after that they would have because he
• 2:36:30
  would have stunted
• 2:36:30
  her growth and she would have he would have vampirized on her
• 2:36:35
  in a way you know
• 2:36:36
  what I mean well not even that though it's just like the like
• 2:36:43
  her her not knowing
• 2:36:46
  who she even is yet because like I feel like I didn't grow into
• 2:36:50
  like it was like
• 2:36:52
  SPEAKER_00: late 20s yeah I was 39 from
• 2:36:57
  like yeah like when you're 20 you don't know but you need a
• 2:37:03
  bill murray in your
• 2:37:03
  life when you're 20 you probably could have benefited from a
• 2:37:07
  bill murray yeah but
• 2:37:09
  we like all find them one way or another like romantic or not
• 2:37:13
  right i i when i was
• 2:37:15
  SPEAKER_00: in my early 20s i had a lot of
• 2:37:19
  I had a lot of more male,
• 2:37:21
  older male friends that were very important to my development.
• 2:37:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think as a person,
• 2:37:27
  SPEAKER_00: I had a few like older female friends that,
• 2:37:31
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:37:32
  SPEAKER_00: gave me advice and kind of like in a,
• 2:37:36
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't say like a sexual way,
• 2:37:38
  SPEAKER_00: but in a romantic way,
• 2:37:41
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:37:42
  SPEAKER_00: push me in the right direction to like make certain choices and stuff,
• 2:37:46
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:37:47
  SPEAKER_00: um,
• 2:37:48
  But yeah,
• 2:37:49
  I mean,
• 2:37:51
  I don't think it would have been wrong if he would have slept
• 2:37:53
  with her.
• 2:37:54
  It would have definitely diminished a movie and diminished a relationship.
• 2:37:58
  SPEAKER_00: Wrong as in like... But nothing legally or ethically or morally wrong.
• 2:38:03
  SPEAKER_03: Well, besides the fact that he's married.
• 2:38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Besides the fact that he's... Besides the fact that they're both married.
• 2:38:08
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 2:38:08
  SPEAKER_00: She's also married too, right?
• 2:38:10
  So everything he did wrong in their relationship,
• 2:38:14
  she's equally guilty of,
• 2:38:15
  right?
• 2:38:16
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:38:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think that, you know, that's very interesting.
• 2:38:21
  And I think this movie is very interesting in that conversation
• 2:38:24
  because it is a
• 2:38:26
  SPEAKER_00: movie from a female perspective,
• 2:38:28
  SPEAKER_00: even though he's kind of the main character in a way.
• 2:38:30
  SPEAKER_00: And we get a lot of the emotions through his perspective.
• 2:38:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's ultimately about her.
• 2:38:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it is a movie written by a woman, directed by a woman.
• 2:38:41
  SPEAKER_00: And really, it's a very feminine movie, you know?
• 2:38:45
  And I think a lot of times when we deal with women,
• 2:38:50
  including other women do this,
• 2:38:52
  right?
• 2:38:53
  SPEAKER_00: And this is my opinion, right?
• 2:38:54
  SPEAKER_00: You can tell me I'm wrong.
• 2:38:56
  SPEAKER_00: Often other women,
• 2:38:58
  SPEAKER_00: when they talk about like victimhood and that kind of stuff,
• 2:39:03
  SPEAKER_00: they take agency away from women.
• 2:39:06
  you know where they they pretend women are asexual beings that
• 2:39:11
  don't want to be
• 2:39:13
  part of it you know what i mean oh for sure they're tricked
• 2:39:16
  into it and this movie
• 2:39:18
  does a good job of showing that he wasn't really the one that
• 2:39:22
  went after her it was
• 2:39:23
  actually she's the one that was chasing him in a way you know
• 2:39:27
  uh yeah he smiled at
• 2:39:30
  SPEAKER_00: her and he like you know played along at her like initial jokes and stuff
• 2:39:35
  well i think when like women comment on that it's like doing
• 2:39:38
  women's disservice
• 2:39:39
  because it's like women are completely capable of making those
• 2:39:44
  decisions for
• 2:39:45
  themselves like whether or not they're i mean there's like
• 2:39:53
  those emotions that are
• 2:39:55
  SPEAKER_03: you know attached to it but women are completely capable because
• 2:40:05
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 2:40:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:40:07
  SPEAKER_00: So what do you think happened after the movie ended?
• 2:40:09
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think he went home to his wife and was chill?
• 2:40:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, probably.
• 2:40:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:40:13
  SPEAKER_00: It was normal.
• 2:40:14
  SPEAKER_00: It was happier.
• 2:40:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:40:16
  SPEAKER_03: He probably had new carpet in his office.
• 2:40:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:40:19
  And I think that in a way,
• 2:40:22
  I think that they went back to their marriage both more content.
• 2:40:26
  SPEAKER_00: At least like... I don't know, man.
• 2:40:28
  SPEAKER_00: I...
• 2:40:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 2:40:29
  I think she went back more content with her place in life and
• 2:40:33
  more knowing what she
• 2:40:35
  SPEAKER_00: wanted and more able to tell Giovanni Ribisi what she wanted.
• 2:40:42
  SPEAKER_03: Why do you say that?
• 2:40:44
  SPEAKER_03: What makes you think that?
• 2:40:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well, because I think that she didn't know herself.
• 2:40:51
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think she found out?
• 2:40:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think she found out that she was unhappy.
• 2:40:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:40:57
  you know and she didn't even know and she didn't know and she
• 2:41:01
  felt guilty for being
• 2:41:02
  unhappy right and i think that once she realized that she could
• 2:41:08
  be happy and that
• 2:41:09
  there are people in the world that think like her and are like
• 2:41:13
  her and bill
• 2:41:14
  murray's character you think she realized that she married the
• 2:41:16
  wrong person she
• 2:41:17
  even said that she's like i don't know who i married right on
• 2:41:20
  the phone you think
• 2:41:21
  SPEAKER_03: that do you think that um
• 2:41:24
  charlotte and her husband are still married no i don't think so
• 2:41:28
  i think that she
• 2:41:29
  realized that she she was unhappy and didn't realize she was
• 2:41:35
  unhappy in her
• 2:41:36
  marriage with giovanni ribisi but she blamed herself she was
• 2:41:41
  like i'm mean or i'm a
• 2:41:42
  jerk and that kind of stuff and i think that she realized that
• 2:41:47
  she's okay the way
• 2:41:48
  SPEAKER_00: she is
• 2:41:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it's okay to feel the way she does about the world.
• 2:41:52
  SPEAKER_00: And she can, um, she can change that.
• 2:41:56
  So like essentially she got married too young and didn't know
• 2:42:00
  what she wanted.
• 2:42:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:42:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:42:01
  And I think that Bill Murray showed her that there is something
• 2:42:07
  out there that you
• 2:42:08
  SPEAKER_00: can make it work,
• 2:42:09
  SPEAKER_00: you know?
• 2:42:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um,
• 2:42:11
  SPEAKER_00: In a very similar way,
• 2:42:12
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:42:13
  SPEAKER_00: my favorite movie,
• 2:42:14
  SPEAKER_00: The Great Beauty,
• 2:42:15
  there's a very important scene in that movie where he's like
• 2:42:18
  sleeping with that
• 2:42:19
  SPEAKER_00: woman at the very beginning.
• 2:42:21
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, I'm going to show you my Facebook page.
• 2:42:23
  SPEAKER_00: Let me get my laptop.
• 2:42:24
  SPEAKER_00: And he leaves.
• 2:42:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then he goes,
• 2:42:28
  I've gotten to the age where I've realized I don't have to do
• 2:42:30
  things I don't want
• 2:42:31
  SPEAKER_00: to do.
• 2:42:33
  I don't have to sit down and watch YouTube videos of this rando
• 2:42:39
  chick I met today.
• 2:42:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to do that.
• 2:42:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have to pretend I want to do that.
• 2:42:45
  SPEAKER_00: In a way, she found out that
• 2:42:47
  she was unhappy pretending who,
• 2:42:52
  you know,
• 2:42:52
  kind of going along with his whole thing,
• 2:42:54
  right?
• 2:42:55
  SPEAKER_00: And that's not who she is in a way, right?
• 2:42:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't think that their marriage lasted after this movie.
• 2:43:03
  I think that Bill Murray's marriage lasted because I think he
• 2:43:07
  became content...
• 2:43:11
  SPEAKER_00: with who he was as a person,
• 2:43:15
  SPEAKER_00: which probably made him refocus more on being a better dad,
• 2:43:19
  SPEAKER_00: if that made sense.
• 2:43:23
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
• 2:43:23
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 2:43:24
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know either.
• 2:43:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's interesting.
• 2:43:26
  SPEAKER_00: I need to read some ideas.
• 2:43:28
  SPEAKER_00: But anyways,
• 2:43:28
  SPEAKER_00: for the listeners back home,
• 2:43:30
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 2:43:31
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:43:32
  SPEAKER_00: we've had a long episode,
• 2:43:33
  SPEAKER_00: a great episode,
• 2:43:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think.
• 2:43:35
  SPEAKER_00: And Lost in Translation...
• 2:43:38
  SPEAKER_00: by Sofia Coppola.
• 2:43:40
  SPEAKER_00: Fantastic movie.
• 2:43:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's a great insight,
• 2:43:43
  SPEAKER_00: a great existential insight on loneliness,
• 2:43:48
  SPEAKER_00: disconnection from the world,
• 2:43:50
  SPEAKER_00: disconnections from your own kind of life path,
• 2:43:54
  and how in that kind of space and time you can connect with
• 2:43:59
  somebody else and kind
• 2:44:01
  of re-humanize yourself and bring back a level of humanity into
• 2:44:05
  your life from the strangest...
• 2:44:09
  moments where you randomly meet somebody it's a fantastic film
• 2:44:12
  it's a fantastic act
• 2:44:14
  fantastically active film by scarjo and bill murray it's a
• 2:44:21
  fantastically filmed
• 2:44:22
  movie it's got a great soundtrack and it's really one of the
• 2:44:26
  best movies of the
• 2:44:27
  SPEAKER_00: 21st century it's up there in my top three favorite movies
• 2:44:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a great movie.
• 2:44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, agreed.
• 2:44:36
  And it does offer you a little bit of insight into Japan from a
• 2:44:40
  Western perspective
• 2:44:41
  SPEAKER_00: and how the field...
• 2:44:43
  SPEAKER_00: It does a really good job.
• 2:44:44
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't, like... I don't think it, like, jokifies Japan.
• 2:44:48
  SPEAKER_00: I've read some criticism that it, like, kind of...
• 2:44:52
  stereotypes japan well i don't think it does i think that it is
• 2:44:56
  definitely from the
• 2:44:57
  perspective of an outsider looking in but based on my own
• 2:45:02
  personal experience and
• 2:45:04
  probably judy's experience you can back me up it's exactly what
• 2:45:07
  it feels like to be
• 2:45:08
  in japan it's it's one of the movies where i felt like oh wow
• 2:45:11
  somebody somebody got
• 2:45:12
  it exactly you know yeah and yeah of course you stereotype
• 2:45:16
  stuff because that's how
• 2:45:17
  SPEAKER_00: humans human brains think these stereotype things you know we
• 2:45:21
  We compress and it plays really well with the language barrier
• 2:45:25
  and the cultural barrier.
• 2:45:27
  SPEAKER_00: Either way, A-plus movie.
• 2:45:29
  SPEAKER_00: It should have won an Academy Award.
• 2:45:31
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't.
• 2:45:32
  SPEAKER_00: It lost to The Lord of the Rings,
• 2:45:33
  SPEAKER_00: which I disagree with because The Lord of the Rings is great,
• 2:45:35
  SPEAKER_00: but it's not as good as this movie.
• 2:45:39
  SPEAKER_00: And for your listeners, I really hope you enjoyed this episode.
• 2:45:43
  We're going to be doing a lot more of these deep dives into
• 2:45:46
  movies and films.
• 2:45:50
  SPEAKER_00: first season of White Lotus,
• 2:45:53
  SPEAKER_00: which is another one that has a lot of male-female relationships,
• 2:45:58
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:45:58
  SPEAKER_00: kind of issues.
• 2:45:59
  And I think that having Judy on for those is really interesting
• 2:46:02
  because you get a
• 2:46:02
  SPEAKER_00: perspective of a...
• 2:46:05
  SPEAKER_00: So the one thing about Judy is that unlike me,
• 2:46:07
  SPEAKER_00: she's not terminally online.
• 2:46:09
  Her brain is not scrambled by Twitter and Substack and all that
• 2:46:14
  kind of stuff.
• 2:46:15
  SPEAKER_00: And you get a female perspective,
• 2:46:17
  a married woman in her late 30s perspective that it's hard to
• 2:46:22
  find online because
• 2:46:24
  most of the people you encounter are terminally scrambled by
• 2:46:28
  the interwebs.
• 2:46:29
  SPEAKER_00: And she's been resistant to all that nonsense for a long time.
• 2:46:33
  SPEAKER_00: So we're going to watch White Lotus season one.
• 2:46:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to do episode on that one.
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  We're not going to do episode by episode because it doesn't
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  really make sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's fair to kind of
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  summarize well i think it's fair to say that each season of
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  that show is one whole
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  long movie yeah for sure and like the same thing with true
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  detective each season is
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  really an eight hour movie yeah you know uh it's not an
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  episodic kind of show it's
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  SPEAKER_00: just it's fully connected and there's
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  SPEAKER_00: Two seasons out.
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  SPEAKER_03: We might have to do a few parts, though.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we might do a few parts.
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  SPEAKER_00: We spent like three hours on one hour and a half movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going to probably do a seven-hour episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: Buckle up.
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  One of the main points of this series is that we're going to be
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  SPEAKER_00: regular episodes with Fisto and all the guests.
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  yeah start a conversation in those comments yeah we usually do
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  we have great
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  both her dogs are
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  just dreaming and making noises right now well and then also
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  would it be like fair
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  SPEAKER_03: to ask um because you know uh for white lotus coming up
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  i'm sure there's been a few people have watched that already if
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  there's anything
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  that they want us to like discuss that'd be oh that's a good
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  idea i'm into it if
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  you've if you've seen if you've watched white lotus season one
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  or two which i i
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  think they're some of the best shows and interestingly enough
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  from a meta-political
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  SPEAKER_00: kind of level white lotus is one of those shows that
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  SPEAKER_00: It actually touches on a lot of conversational topics in the sphere,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: about intersexual relationships.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, we had some, like, good debates.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right, right, right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wokeness.
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  SPEAKER_00: The first season specifically deals with race relations a lot,
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  SPEAKER_00: right,
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  SPEAKER_00: when it comes to,
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  SPEAKER_00: like,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Hawaiians and...
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  SPEAKER_00: and the colonialist kind of whites, you know, with a lot of money.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a whole subplot with the African-American lady and,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: when she's working in the hotel.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's a lot of different elements that are very interesting.
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  And the way that show approaches things is very interesting
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  because you're like,
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  is this based?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is this right wing?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it left wing?
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  And I think that the final determination of what happens to
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  Anne Hathaway's
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  SPEAKER_00: character in that first season is very interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I remember that I called it because I was like, oh, it's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: But being shocked that I was right in a way.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, I was right about this?
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  SPEAKER_00: Damn.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because it almost doesn't match a modern kind of...
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  what's going on there it doesn't match a modern contemporary
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  kind of woke media
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  kind of mindset um and then i think season two does a really
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  good job of dealing
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  with approaching women in a lot of the it's not very fond of
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  them in a way but at
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  SPEAKER_00: the same time it's not very fond of like the nice guy beta male either
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  um with the the two kind of main characters and the side
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  characters but either way
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  there's a lot of interesting stuff that's going to be discussed
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  during those two
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  seasons and then of course if you follow like hbo and their
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  shows uh season three
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  of white lotus just came out i believe it's on episode two this
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  weekend or maybe
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  SPEAKER_00: episode three
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to watch it until I rewatch one and two.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to wait on that one.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to record.
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  I'm going to try to watch most of the season one this week and
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  maybe record next
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  week and then watch most of season two the following week and
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  record that week.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I'm going to move into season three,
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  SPEAKER_00: which I heard that it changed the theme song and it pisses people off.
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  SPEAKER_00: But most people are wrong, so it doesn't matter.
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  SPEAKER_03: We'll find out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Either way, I got a lot of cool stuff planned for you guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, hey, thank you for listening.
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  SPEAKER_00: You guys have a good night and see you next week.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bye.