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Do Antidepressants Cause Mass Shootings? · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: a lot of good points here. We'll be fine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got So we're talking about antidepressants today, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and whether they cause mass shootings.
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  Speaker 1: The shit is interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you see this bandied about a lot, and
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  Speaker 3: there seems to be a lot of ants, you know,
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  Speaker 3: kind of a not anecdotal, but some kind of like
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  Speaker 3: no no evidence whatever you call that, just to kind
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  Speaker 3: of like, yeah, where there's there's connections, but there's no like,
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  Speaker 3: we don't know if the connections mean anything. Kind of
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  Speaker 3: hard to research unless you just want to get a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of people for a year and come every week.
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  Speaker 1: Like so, shooting a bunch of people one to ten?
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  Speaker 1: Where are we at? Two? All right? Back at it?
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  Speaker 3: Too?
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  Speaker 1: Very good?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean they they should probably do something
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  Speaker 2: along the probably, Yeah, seems like it.
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  Speaker 1: And then I feel weird reading it because.
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  Speaker 3: I'm in antidepressants and I'm just like, I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to kill everybody, just me.
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  Speaker 1: I feel this is so weird.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should point out that we're not doing this
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  Speaker 2: episode to meaning to give people advice on whether they
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  Speaker 2: should take antidepressants.
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  Speaker 3: No, we are not doctors. You're just financial advisors.
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  Speaker 2: Which is mk ultra sponsored doctor. Yeah, about whether antidepressants.
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  Speaker 1: Are right for you.
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  Speaker 3: And bringing in full circle, if you want to get
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  Speaker 3: an mk ultra doctor, you have to pay them a bitcoin.
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  Speaker 2: They can't have that ship on the official book. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's no long log books with an mk ultra doctor.
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  Speaker 1: None. The drugs they prescribe. Holy shit. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So the theory, I mean most the most simple way
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  Speaker 2: to put it is that nearly every mass shooting incident
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  Speaker 2: in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of
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  Speaker 2: suicide and isolated shootings, all share one thing in common SSRIs,
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  Speaker 2: or selective serotonin re uptake inhibitors, which include prozac, Celexa, Zoloft, Paxel,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: What are you taking zoloft?
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  Speaker 4: Fuck?
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  Speaker 1: So I'm at risk? Yeah? You never know when I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna come up the elevator with a heater. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I can't decide which workplace you're more likely to shoot up.
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  Speaker 2: Probably mean boys, just because it's not air conditioned.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And the fact that you're calling that a workplaces hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: You've been there, not a lot of work, barely a place.
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  Speaker 1: It's where you do you work, you do your podcast
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  Speaker 1: there I do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's with an annual GDP in the five
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  Speaker 3: thousands or something more than that. Now, actually, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it is Uh it is interesting because I I when
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  Speaker 3: I first started taking zoloft, I did I understand how
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  Speaker 3: people like people say there's suicidal. I just became very
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  Speaker 3: indifferent to being alive at first. Yeah, which was a
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  Speaker 3: plus from being very opposed to being alive. Sure, you know,
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  Speaker 3: so I will say that like I'm not you know,
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  Speaker 3: I personally am kind of a proponent of these kind
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  Speaker 3: of drugs. They've been very effective for me in my
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  Speaker 3: personal life. Although I'm not a very violent or angry
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  Speaker 3: person really, so I don't know if you are if
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  Speaker 3: that's exacerbated by this, whatever the gene is might correspond
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  Speaker 3: with this that makes you want to kill a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of people.
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  Speaker 1: I don't seem to have. Yeah, it is interesting though.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah.
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  Speaker 1: All right, that was fun.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 2: SSRIs are the most commonly prescribed antidepressants. They ease depression
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  Speaker 2: by increasing levels of serotonin in the brain. Serotonin is
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  Speaker 2: one of the chemical messengers that carry signals between brain cells,
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  Speaker 2: and SSRIs block the reabsorption or re uptake of serotonin
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  Speaker 2: in the brain, making more serotonin available. SSRIs are called
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  Speaker 2: selective because they seem to primarily affect serotonin, not other neurotransmitters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good pod.
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  Speaker 3: My idea of it is, it's kind of like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and you need to finish the bowl of weed and
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  Speaker 3: then you smoke the resin. This just making it so
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  Speaker 3: your brain smokes the resin, you get every little bit
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  Speaker 3: of the happy juice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes your stomach. That's a good way to
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  Speaker 1: describe it.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm trying to think of in terms that the
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  Speaker 3: unpop's listeners can understand.
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  Speaker 1: Weeds a good route to go. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Antidepressants mostly ssriys have been blamed for violence by a
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  Speaker 2: variety of individuals and organizations, from Rick Perry to Alex.
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  Speaker 1: Jones and Tyler Perry.
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  Speaker 2: Faris believe there are many reasons that the mainstream media
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  Speaker 2: would avoid covering this, or that they are actively trying
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  Speaker 2: to deceive the public.
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  Speaker 1: And was a mecason money launder in operization for the
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  Speaker 1: corporation operization for the Pfizer corporization.
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  Speaker 3: I added one extraization and I decided to double down
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  Speaker 3: on it.
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  Speaker 1: It made more sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it made it look like a character choice and
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  Speaker 3: not just the sleep deprived half riffs of your current
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  Speaker 3: beleaguered podcast hosts.
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  Speaker 2: The government, mainstream media, and pharmaceutical companies are working together
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  Speaker 2: to keep this under wraps, and that individuals who've come
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  Speaker 2: out against SSRIs have died under mysterious circumstances. Those are
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  Speaker 2: all things conspiracy theorists claimed. Depress people do just do
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  Speaker 2: mysterious shit.
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  Speaker 1: Though.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how depression works. I mean, I'll just go
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  Speaker 3: take a walk in the rain in a bad neighborhood,
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  Speaker 3: you know. I mean, And then if someone was like
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  Speaker 3: Connor died, it's because he was getting too close to
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  Speaker 3: the truth with his isis podcast and his other isis podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Conspiracy theorists claim that focusing on firearms, bands or magazine
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  Speaker 2: restrictions in the wake of mass shootings are deliberate attempts
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  Speaker 2: to hide the evidence that prescription drugs are the real cause.
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  Speaker 3: Has anyone ever made a magazine magazine where it's just
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  Speaker 3: all about like fucking magazines.
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  Speaker 1: That would be very meta if nothing else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, uh, you mean, like a maget like gun maga,
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  Speaker 2: but not just gun magazines, like a magazine about actual
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  Speaker 2: magazines about gun magazines.
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  Speaker 3: But you could, because there's like way more gun magazines
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  Speaker 3: than you'd think. I went to the bass Pro shop
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  Speaker 3: in Springfield, Missouri, which I guess is like the first one,
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  Speaker 3: like the headquarters, and it's just gigantic, and there's so
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  Speaker 3: many Larry the Cable Guy endorsed products, like he's oh
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  Speaker 3: that he has his arba lives the socks and like
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  Speaker 3: s'more apparatus and all this shit. And there's just a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of fish that just live in a mall and
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  Speaker 3: you feel bad for him.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty rough. Like ducks and shit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like twice a day someone just like, ah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's a fucking there's a duck in women's war.
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  Speaker 1: Come on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Larry the Cable guys got have so much fucking cash,
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  Speaker 2: Oh for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like insane.
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  Speaker 3: He's done to selling out what I'm doing to bitcoin
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  Speaker 3: and he's he's got in at the right time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's murdering it.
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  Speaker 2: They also claim it may be a way to oppress
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  Speaker 2: the people of the United States by medicating them into
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  Speaker 2: complacency and then using the excuse of mass shootings to
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  Speaker 2: take their firearms.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not completely not convinced that
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  Speaker 3: this isn't just to pacify me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's always something to that opiate of
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  Speaker 2: the masses, which wasn't even I mean that's referring more
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  Speaker 2: to religion. Yeah, it's a theory that it's not unheard
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  Speaker 2: of that governments do things to keep their people in line.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't you know, I think the drug
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  Speaker 3: companies and the government. I think they get together for
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  Speaker 3: coffee once in a while and compare notes.
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  Speaker 1: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean the fact that no one has gone
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  Speaker 2: to prison over the opioid crisis on the drug company side,
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  Speaker 2: the government and drug companies probably meet up.
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  Speaker 3: And I do find the depressed person tends to be
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  Speaker 3: a little bit smarter, more self aware, or of clued
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  Speaker 3: in than the average.
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  Speaker 1: Person, you know, maybe of the reason that they're depressed.
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  Speaker 3: So if you can come up with something that makes
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  Speaker 3: these people just you know, content with continuing to not
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  Speaker 3: start their business or not research their article or whatever
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  Speaker 3: it is, it's kind of like, oh, it's better for them, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's this list of mass shooters that is at
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  Speaker 2: the basis of this conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just I'll double back to that with the thought
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  Speaker 1: I just had. It's like we're.
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  Speaker 3: Running out of when we're running out of space for
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  Speaker 3: new machines, but there's never there's always more room for cogs.
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  Speaker 3: Cogs are in high demand, and everyone's just like, no,
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  Speaker 3: we'll make the machines.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we just need you'll be a great cog. We
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  Speaker 1: can put you up a little higher than the other cogs.
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  Speaker 1: You'll be fine.
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  Speaker 2: This list, it was put together by a man named
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  Speaker 2: by a man named John Novesky, who is the founder
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  Speaker 2: and owner of Novesky Rifle Works. Which that part he's
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  Speaker 2: arguing that mass shootings are a drug problem and not
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  Speaker 2: a gun problem, and he owns a rifle company.
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  Speaker 1: Something that always seemed to work that way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a if there's some if some guy
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  Speaker 3: shoots up a school and he's just like a big
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  Speaker 3: nerdous fan or something, we'll all just be like, well,
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  Speaker 3: it's not a podcast problem.
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  Speaker 1: It's a drug problem.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, there's nothing wrong with your friendly small scale We
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  Speaker 3: really can't afford to lose this podcast host.
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  Speaker 2: He put this list of mass shootings together and he
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  Speaker 2: says that every single one. The thing they all have
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  Speaker 2: in common is that they were all taking Ssriyes, and
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  Speaker 2: some of the names on the list, Eric Harris and
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  Speaker 2: Dylan Kleebold, who obviously did the Columbine shooting. They their
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  Speaker 2: medical records have never been made available to the public,
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  Speaker 2: so it's not confirmed if that's the case, but they're
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  Speaker 2: on the list. A kid named Corey Badsgard, who was sixteen,
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  Speaker 2: went to wile Luki High School. He was on Paxel,
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  Speaker 2: which caused him to have hallucinations when he took a
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  Speaker 2: rifle to his high school, held twenty three classmates hostage.
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  Speaker 2: He has no memory of the event. And it just
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  Speaker 2: it goes on and on and on. There's you know,
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  Speaker 2: all all the hits, all your faves are on the list,
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  Speaker 2: and every single one this this guy claims every single
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  Speaker 2: one of them.
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  Speaker 1: Was taking antidepressants or SSRIs.
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  Speaker 3: And again, it's kind of a correlation and causality thing
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  Speaker 3: because it's like, if you're gonna kill a bunch of people,
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  Speaker 3: you're probably depressed. So is this just like kind of
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  Speaker 3: just another symptom of that initial problem or is this
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  Speaker 3: like actually contributing to it?
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 2: No? Yeah, I don't know how you tease that data out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And it's that's the thing. You know, people cite this
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  Speaker 2: list as fact when they're making making the argument that
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  Speaker 2: drugs are the issue, But that's exactly the thing. This
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  Speaker 2: guy owns a rifle company. He's not he's not doing
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  Speaker 2: the research that a scientist would do, and he's putting
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  Speaker 2: something like this together.
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  Speaker 3: He's got skin in the game, and really what he's
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  Speaker 3: done is just kind of go find I'm sure we
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  Speaker 3: could do the same kind of thing with like you know,
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  Speaker 3: race or boat ownership or left handedness, and you could
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  Speaker 3: come up with a pretty impressive list because I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if you've checked the Twitter moments so that we
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of fucking shootings in this country, so
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  Speaker 3: there's no shortage of data there. So I just kind
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  Speaker 3: of feel like it's, Yeah, it's tough to tease out
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  Speaker 3: the conclusion between correlation and causality.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of the information appears to come from
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  Speaker 2: a website called orz Alix.
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  Speaker 1: Jones would say correlization and cause. Adelie Daday.
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  Speaker 2: The information comes from a website called ssristories dot org.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh, that's my dear penthouse form SSRI.
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  Speaker 3: Dear SSRI stories had diarrhea for another consecutive week today.
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  Speaker 3: But boy, did I like the way the sunshine felt
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  Speaker 3: on my arms.
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  Speaker 1: I never thought this would happen to me.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, there are many many issues with the claim that
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  Speaker 2: every or even most mass murderers were on psychiatric medications.
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  Speaker 2: And with this list, for one thing, the list doesn't
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  Speaker 2: cover all the mass shootings, murders or suicide.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, well, there's a there's a there's a storage limit
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  Speaker 3: on your Google drive. So yeah, that's true, there's probably
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  Speaker 3: he probably probably bumped up against it. He had the
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  Speaker 3: maximum number of lines, because yeah, there's a lot of suicides,
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  Speaker 3: and that that list we just looked at obviously doesn't
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  Speaker 3: cover all the suicides that have happened over the past
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  Speaker 3: however many years, and in a lot of these cases,
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  Speaker 3: there was no access to the medical records. So even
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  Speaker 3: if these people were prescribed those medications, we don't know
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: if maybe they were taking them and then went off
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: them and that's what caused it. Yeah, we don't know
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: when they were taking them at all in relation to
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: when the shooting happened if you don't have actual medical records. Yeah,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: so he's he's uh not dotting his eyes in crossing
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: his keys. They also don't take into account that antidepressants
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: takes some time to work.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Would you say he's not dotting his SSR I S No, okay, sorry.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: It also doesn't take into account that antidepressants take some
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: time to work, true, because a lot of these claims you've.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Got about two to four weeks of just shitting your
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: pants before you're shitting your pants in a better mood
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always the hardest thing when they prescribe shit
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: like that. They're like, it's gonna take a month. Yeah, ah,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: that instant gratification.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, well, I saw my doctor recently because
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: I'm tapering off of mine, and every two weeks is
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: one you want to drop, you know, one minimum dose incremental. However,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: once you can break your pill and half, so it's
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: like you want to go one hundred and seventy five,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: you know, fifty twenty five twenty five every other day,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: and you know you've get in two week increments and
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: then that's kind of how long it takes for the
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: levels of it to change in your blood, because it's
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: not like a like a psychoactive drug like a xanax,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: where you take it and then it's out of your
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: system the next number of hours.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: And then the half life, you know it depletes.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: You know you're not feeling it, and eventually you couldn't
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: till you ever took it unless you did a hair test.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: It kind of builds up and you develop kind of
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: a resistance to it or whatever. It's kind of not
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: a resistance, but it builds up in your system and
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: more and more of it, you know, it's active.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I took Stratera for a while, which I
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: hated that thought weird, that's like risk, but it's more complicated.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly like that, and it when I went off it,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I just went off at Cold Turkey and it gave
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: me head shocks.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, brains apps. Yeah, those are the fucking worst.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very I had one of those. I had those
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: while I was driving one time because I missed.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: A couple of days. I was just forgetful and I
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: was just like, what the I need to I had
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: to pull over. I had to. Like it's creepy. Yeah,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: it's very weird.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: It makes you feel like you're going to have a
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: stroke or something kind of yeah, like like you just
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: don't know what that and you just kind of lose track.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: At the time a little bit.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's odd trying to start a car and it's
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: not turning over, but it's your fucking head, right, So yeah,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: there's also the issue of correlation versus causality, which we've
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: already brought up because it's one of one one of
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: like several smart sounding phrases.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I know, yeah, it's it's.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: A thing that that you'll hear in any conspiracy disc
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: at some point for stuff like this.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Here's another one.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: If you want to just jump into any argument and
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: sound really smart. Blank is not the problem. Blank is
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: the symptom, And you immediately are like, oh, maybe I
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: guess I just lost this argument. God damn it.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: So shortly after posting this is again, this is the
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: kind of thing Snopes would just throw out there at
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: the end and be like, that's fine. That shortly after
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: posting this on Facebook, Noveski died in a car accident.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: This was actually his last social media post he ever published.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Oh that blows.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: That blows, man, because that's not gonna do shit to
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: make this conspiracy theory.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I ever told you.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: About the porn star Shyla Styles passed away and she
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: still has her Twitter set up to automatically tweet her
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: horoscope every day, and I'm like, Shila's agent, get in
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: there and turn that off. It's just it's not a
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: good look. Oh that's horrible.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Right, she's the one who killed herself, right, I think
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: she did. Yeah, yeah, that's fucking awful. There's a comedian,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Naed Jesse, who had cancer, and he had a funny
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: idea he had, like he has like an email sent
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: out to some.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Close friends that after he dies, he's.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Going to keep tweeting as a ghost for like many years,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: just like pre written tweets that he just did when
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: he got diagnosed. I always thought that was very funny. Yeah,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: that's amazing. Yeah.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: So, Oregon State Police said Novesky, who was thirty six,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: was driving his Toyota land Cruiser west on Highway two sixty,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: you know, near Elchemenoway in Grant's Pass.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yea, yeah, sure.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Well, if you drive a Toyota land Cruiser, of course
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: you're gonna want to die, and of course you're in Oregon.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: This was at approximately nine thirteen pm on January fourth,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. He went around a wide curve, drove across
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: the oncoming lane and a dirt highway shoulder until he
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: struck two large boulders. The vehicle rolled in. Nowski, who
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: wasn't wearing a seat belt, was ejected. Theorist mainly gun
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: proponents claimed that Nowski was killed because he compiled and
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: published this list. Of course, Alex Jones also subscribes to
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: this theory. Co sign theorists bring up that this theory
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: is not far fetched. They claim the government does this
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: sort of thing all the time.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: They did the same thing for me when I published
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: my new Rea recipe. Eighteen black vans were circle in
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: my house. They knew I discovered secrets to flavor.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: They'd only dreamed of.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: One instance they cite is Frank Olsen, a senior research
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: microbiologist who was working on the CIA's mind control research
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: program mk Ultra.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Oh is mk ultra drinking game at home?
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go back and listen to all of these episodes
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: and drink every time mk Ultra comes up.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll die.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: After Olsen expressed his desire to leave the program, he
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: was with a CIA agent in a New York hotel
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: room and is alleged to have committed suicide by throwing
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: himself off the tenth floor balcony. In nineteen ninety four,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Olson's sons were successful in their efforts to have their
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: father's body e zouos.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Now, none of this isould have happened if they'd gone
• 22:01
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• 22:05
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• 22:07
  Speaker 1: How many do we have these left, Kenny?
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Only fourteen left in stock that can be yours alone
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: for seventy nine bitcoin. Now I think that's a bargain,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: considering you'll not only get the power of flight, but
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: you will be CIA secret murder cup proof.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Oh god, oh my god. Ugh I hurt myself a
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: few people for your amusements. I do this.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Ow In nineteen ninety four, his sons had his body
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: examined by James Starrs, professor of law and forensic science
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: at the Brother of Patrick the National Law Center at
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: George Washington University. Star's team concluded that the blunt force
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: trauma to the head and injury to the chest had
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: not occurred during the fall, but most likely in the
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: room before the fall.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Which is why we're off in limited edition helmets.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: At least come to you with a nine to eleven
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: was a lie on the front side of info War's
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: logo on the backside, and Kenny, how many of the
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: traumas we have ninety seven of these left, folks.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to secure more.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I'm in negotiations with my manufacturer, but I think we
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: can offer fifty of these today. We're going to be
• 23:16
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• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Is that coup?
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: No?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Just coo?
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jerry kind of fucked it up when he was
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: a I don't know, I get you.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: The evidence was called rankly and starkly suggestive of homicide,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: which what a fucking great sentence there.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Rankly is such a great word.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Based on his findings, in nineteen ninety six, the Manhattan
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: District Attorney opened a homicide investigation into Olsen's death, but
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: was unable to find enough evidence to bring charges. So
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: that's kind of a that's kind of a tangent, but
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: that's just one of the cases people point to when
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: they go see the CIA kills people sometimes, for sure.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know what happened.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I think what traffic cops has for parking tickets, the
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: CIA has for murder. Yeah, I think soon goes all right,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Gang Christmas is just around the corner. They got a
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: little like marker thing that they can kind of tick
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: up as the percentage increases as a quota. Yeah, like
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: if you're having a sales contest at your fucking office.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: That's their job. They're just population control. Yeah, for sure.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Just they do it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: The problem's just not as bad as we thought. So
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: they only have to kill a couple dozen people a year.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: That's uh So, let's talk about there's a scientific study
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: that allowed a conspiracy theorists point to called prescription drugs
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: associated with reports of violence towards others. I wonder what
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: it's about. It's published in twenty ten by Thomas J.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Moore and Joseph Glenn Mullen and Kurt D.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Ferberg.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: These three guys that have just been bullied for their
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: silly names and then they yeah forever band together to
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: stop themselves from shooting up their grads.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: The study concludes that fifteen hundred and twenty seven cases
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: of violence were disproportionately reported for thirty one drugs.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Primary suspect drugs included viagra.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Cil are going to be I just like you got
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: a bone or you yeah, I gotta kill something with.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: This vereniclean which is an aid to smoking cessation, eleven antidepressants,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: six sedative and hypnotics, and three drugs for attention deficit
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: hyperactivity disorder. This is a quote from the study acts
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: of violence towards others are a genuine and serious adverse
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: drug event associated with a relatively small group of drugs Vereniclean,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: which increases the availability of dopamine and antidepressants with serotonergic
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: effects where the most strongly and consistently implicated drugs. This
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: study is cited by many articles and YouTube videos as
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: definitive proof that anti hi depressants cause mass shootings and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: acts of violence.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: If it only YouTube videos are those are like articles
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: for thirteen year olds and your parents.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one in here that's thirteen minutes long,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: and I watched it in the name of researching this,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: and I was just doing background shit while I was
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: listening to it, And at one point I was like, Okay,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: this has to be close to done, and I went
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: and checked in. I was three and a half minutes.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: It was unlistenable. But there are, like any other scientific
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: study that because there's a scientific study that the pharmaceutical
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: industry uses to push the idea that opioids aren't addictive,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: and it's also super flawed, and that's kind of the
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: same thing here. They're just looking at certain parts of
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: the study to kind of, you know, push their their point.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: But there are a lot of issues with the conclusion
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: once you start looking at it. First, there's the author's
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: conflict of interests. All three have been paid consultants in
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: criminal and civil cases. In the footnotes, it says mister
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Moore has received consulting fees from litigators in cases involving
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: peroxetine and was an expert witness in a criminal case
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: involving verenically in Doctor Glennmullen has been retained as an
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: expert witness in cases involving mister clean verenically and psychiatric drugs,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: including anti depress.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: And blah blah blah.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: So I take issue with the idea that that represents
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: a conflict of interest.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean because if you're on they're writing
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: a paper for this thing that they're an expert about.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: And obviously, I mean, if you just your thing is
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: you know a shitload about verenic clean and how it
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: pertains to the human psyche, You're going to try to
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: wore that knowledge at wherever it's applicable.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you're a lawyer who maybe suspects that
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: your client committed a crime because of the drugs they
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: were taking. I mean, you're not going to go seek
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: out the doctor that's going to say no, you're wrong.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: You're gonna seek out the one that might side with you.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And this makes it seem like just because these people
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: aren't on the accepted side of the story, which is
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: that antidepressants don't lead to mass shootings, then there's some
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: sort of conflict of interest. But if someone were to
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: come and testify to that and say, no, there's no correlation,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: We've never seen that, that wouldn't be a conflict to.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you wouldn't say like you're in the pocket of
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: the NRA, you know, I'd be like, Okay, you're just
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: you know, you're just going with prevailing scientific thought.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: But this is like the same kind of shit, like
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: with what causes ulcers. How we had that.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Wrong for so long, and it's like, well, maybe this
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: is just you know, something we haven't correct yet. And
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: then there's a few people that are slowly gonna you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: just be accepted.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, who knows. There's There's Another important item to
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: note is the data that they were working with. They
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: gathered their information from the Institute for Safe Medication Practices
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: quarter Watch database, which is it tracks all adverse drug
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: events reported to the FDA since nineteen sixty eight.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah, that is very comprehensive.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like well FBI dot gov of Yeah, how
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: did that not come up of inving yourself?
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I wonder if they're yeah, we'll look later.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, see if that guy who died in the car
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: crashes on the FBI vault website, which.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: We need to create some kind of Reddit bot that
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: just does this for us. Yeah, Siri, you know what
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: to do searching FBI dot gov.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: FDA publishes all adverse drug event reports that it receives
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: in the fa e r S System or FAARES system,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: which stands for FDA's Adverse Event Reporting System to be
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: used for research, but the study limited its data to
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: cases with serious outcomes as defined by the FDA and
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: which includes death, disability, hospitalization, a life threatening event, or
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: an event that required medical intervention to prevent harm, or
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: other medically serious conditions.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I would be interested to go check this baby, this
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: database and look at the correlation between purchasing truck nuts
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: and being on meth. I feel like I might be
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: sitting on a whole fucking scoop there.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Where do you even buy truck nuts? I mean, he's
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: got to be an internet if I've ever seen them
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: for sale in the wild, but got to be an
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: internet thing. Let me tell you exactly where you get
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: truck nuts.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: These are made one hundred American made neo preen. They
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: will not dangle, they will not break. They will keep
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: your trucks safe from looking like a bitch and uh
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: if I would kill you.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Oh oh god. If you're wondering why he hasn't been
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: on the show lately, that's why you're.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Gonna spend all your bitcoin money reconstructing your throat.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Just on camra meal.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: So this is from the FDA's own website. The main
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: limitation of the FAIRS data is there is no certainty
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: that the report that the reported of an adverse event
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: or medication error was due to the product. The FDA
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: does not require that a causal relationship between a product
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and event be proven, and reports do not always contain
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: enough detail to properly evaluate an event.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, people that bought a modium, you know,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: use the bathroom at the gas station without purchasing anything.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: It's like, I don't think a modium makes you do
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: something makes you want to disrespect ARCO employees.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I think you know they might have just had the shit. Yeah,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: this is another quote.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: The FDA does not receive reports for every adverse event
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: or medication error that occurs with a product. Many factors
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: can influence whether an event will be reported, such as
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: the time of product has been marketed, and publicity about
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: an event. There are also duplicate reports where the same
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: report was submitted by a consumer and by the sponsor.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Because of this, the FDA states FAIRS data cannot be
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: used to calculate the incidence of an adverse event or
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: medication error in the US population. So that's a big
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: problem with this study that people are citing to prove
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: that antidepressants are causing mass shootings. It's that the data
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: they're using, the agency providing the data flat out says
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: you can't use this to calculate shit in the US population.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: So that's a problem.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: One of the most overlooked points in the articles that
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: use this data is that violent cases were infrequently reported,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: accounting for zero point two five percent of all reported
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: serious adverse drug events. And were confined to a relatively
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: small number of drugs. So even though fifteen hundred and
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: twenty seven cases of violence seems like a lot, it's
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: only a very tiny percentage of serious adverse effects, and
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: given the limitations of the fair system, it is not
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: indicative of the US population and not proven that the
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: antidepressants caused the violence acts, especially with.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Something like suicide.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's not something that I feel like if
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: you just wake up with a headache, you're just kind
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: of like, okay, I'll just shrug this off.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if there's not other drugs we should
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: be looking into more for suicide. Like remember after Robin
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Williams died, Yeah, yeah.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: And every single comedian's parent asked them if they were okay.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah that and Rob Schneider posted a thing
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: and was like, the Parkinson's drugs he was taking, suicide
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: was one of the main side effects. Are we going
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: to look into that at all? And people were like.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone was like shut up, idiot.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that seemed like such a perfectly valid thing being
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: crusaded for truth, like why wouldn't you look into that?
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And if it was like why don't we know by now, yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's one of those things where it's like
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: you don't see a lot of There are certain deaths
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: where every six months you see another article like, well
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Carrie Fisher actually had this inner system and YadA, YadA, YadA,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: and it's yeah, that one. I haven't seen a lot
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: of that post event trickle coming out rightly.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just pretty cut and dry, so who knows.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: The study also did not look at how many people
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: who take antidepressants actually experience this side effect. They don't
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: look at how many people who experience side effects commit
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: violent acts, but it is portrayed this way in reports, videos,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: and blog posts. There's also no numbers on how many
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: people have been prescribed SSRIs since Prozac's debut in nineteen
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: eighty nine. Why not, but from twenty eleven to twenty fourteen,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: thirteen percent of Americans nineteen percent of adults have reported
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: taking an antidepressant.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's a lot.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: So the amount of people that have become violent while
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: on an antidepressant is an incredibly tiny amount.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. A fifth of the population
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: has tried them.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, and that you know that would you know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: even if antidepressants are caught mass shootings in some cases,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Like if if we're talking a fifth of the population,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: who is getting a benefit from it?
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, would you.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Even argue that we should stop prescribing antidepressants or.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: It's just as almost like a self driving car thing,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: like how many answers to that cause is it worth?
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: And it's just like, well, it is like, you know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: outright loss of human life weighed against the comfort of
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: you know, like whatever, you know, eighteen point nine nine
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: nine percent of the people.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: So it's like a very interesting moralist question.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: And then you also tie in like how much is
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: the overall productivity you know, output in terms of GDP, mood,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: national sentiment and everything else affected by people, you know,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: not being depressed all the time.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: So it's a very it's a very interesting question.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: That's that's a yeah, I dropped out a community college
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: too soon to take the course that I could be
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: equipped to answer you.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I never took a logic or whatever it.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Was, and it it I think makes sense that if
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: it is antidepressants, but the number is that small that
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: it could be yes, it's antidepressants. But also if you
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: drill down on each of those cases, maybe they were misprescribed,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: or they would prescribed the wrong thing misdiagnosed.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Because it's like this is something I realized, you know,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: the recently thing everyone does at some point that like
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: a doctor can be just as bad as their at
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: their job as a Popeyes cash here. Oh for sure,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: they can give just as little of a fuck and
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: have just want to get through the day.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably a lot of doctors who got pressured
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: into that ship by their parents and they hate doing it.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: And you know, I think this definitely could be a
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: lot of that that wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, if you
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: listen to chat Wilde talk about his kidney issues. One thing,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: he's only got one, yeah, and the one he has, like,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: there was one point where his doctors had him on
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: this medication to treat this medical issue he had, and
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: for one thing, the medication caused symptoms that were exactly
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: the same as the symptoms of the condition he had,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: So he kept taking it even after.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: This was secure the issue was cleared up. And also
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: it was like deteriorating his kidney function this whole time.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: And there's he's looked through his medical records and there's
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: like where they've noted that, oh, kidney functions going down,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: and they kept him on the fucking medication and.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Didn't tell them.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, yeah, sometimes doctors are just bad
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: at their fucking jobs.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they just don't care.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: And it's like and with all these drugs, it's like
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: if you give a bipolar person an antidepressidant depressed person,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: you know, antipsychotic by polar medication. It's like the just
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: knowing from people in my personal life I've had that
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: happened to the events mean can mean cataclysmic, you know,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: it's like fucking it's as I think, it's just a
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: lot of misdiagnosis, and these are all very slippery things
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: to kind of get a hold of and figure out what,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: you know, how they need to be addressed. But it's
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: just like, yeah, that's for sure going on. I mean
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I've seen it, you know, because they're like twelve friends,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: I've seen it.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: And the one thing too, if yes, all of these people,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: if taking antidepressants link them, that means also depression or
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: mental illness links them also. So maybe that's like what
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: happened over the last few decades that changed the way
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: we deal with mental illness, and that would be deinstitutionalization
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: shit like that, like all of that. That's when these
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: mass shootings. When we really started hearing about mass shootings
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: was late seventies, early eighties when Reagan right.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Around the time we took prayer out of school.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: So exactly, this is God punishing us and nothing else. Yeah,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: but it's but yeah, like once once we shut down
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: mental institutions, homelessness got out of control mental and all
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: of these fucking shootings started.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, you know, the states are the laboratories
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: of democracy, Like California is the laboratory of just like
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: fairal homeless people that have been kind of like thrown
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: out by the fucking system.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, California.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: It's interesting we think of it as such a liberal place,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: but it's also kind of the testing ground for every
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: awful thing conservatives have done. Like the crack epidemics started
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: in California. Yeah, fucking deinstitutionalization started in California, like in
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: a way trickle down shit when we cut the property
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: tax super low.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: So we've been broke forever.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's it's like we try Republican shit
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: out in California and then send it.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Out to the world. Yeah, but we're also the most
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: liberal state in the.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Nation, you know, you know, it's the greatest Republican legacy
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: in California. Is Arnold Schwarzenegger's thing. Where the idea was,
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: I think, just like the top two candidates in like
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: a general primary get the nomination for governor. So and
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: he was thinking like, well, that'll force Democrats and Republicans
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: to be more moderate, you know, so you can get
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: one of each. But what just happens is just a
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: super liberal and like a you know, like a neoliberal
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: like you know, yeah, like kind of like average like
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: run of the mill, you know, generic Democrat guy.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: So it's just like you.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Look at our senators. It's never it's never like you know,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Dianne Feinstein. And then you you know, fucking the ghost
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: of Gerald Ford.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: It's always just like.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Granolda fard pants and then okay, kamal La Harry. So
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: I would vote for the ghost of Gerald Ford too. Yes,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: I would vote for almost any ghost.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's high time we have a ghost in office.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: He didn't see look a bad guy kind of and kay,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: he tripped a lot, But I mean, I don't know
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: who doesn't.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm down. Let's check in on that race. It's
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: only got three minutes left. I know it's heating up. Okay,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: all right, Reindeers renders picking it back up a little.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: That fucking green piece of shit. Oh now I'm pulling
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: out no shit, So let's listen to Let's listen to
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: a video.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I had never heard this.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Michael Moore did bowling for Columbine, and I don't think
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: any of this came up in that documentary. But this
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: is oh shit, that's the Christmas time hit the hit
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: the speaker. Then this, I've seen bowling for Columbine, but
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I don't remember if this ever came up in that.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it did. But this is him
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: We never really came up with the answer.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: This is him talking about the possibility that H. S. S.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: A Might be just a cartman character from South Park,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: that this is a pretty funny hairdoo for Michael Moore.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: But uh, but it's it's an interesting interview.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: We never really came up with the answer in terms
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: of why this happened. I think we did a good
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: job of exposing all the reasons that were given were
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: a bunch of bs. You know, Marilyn Manson caused them
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: to do this, this or that caused them to do it,
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: and none of it really made any sense.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: That's why I believe there should be an investigation.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: In terms of what pharmaceuticals prescribed pharmaceuticals these kids were
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: on and and perhaps parents.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Did we ever get a reason why Columbine happened? Really,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: it was just kind of like, yeah, they were. It
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: just would be they were the innovators. Because I hadn't
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: started my podcast yet.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: This is the case that this perhaps occurred for no
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: other reason other than because of these prescriptions.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Imagine what that would do.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: Imagine how people would totally rethink that.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: That's a good point now, grasping.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: For every little straw they can to explain why something
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: like Columbine happens, when in fact it may be nothing
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: more than this. How else do you explain two otherwise
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: decent kids.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Very smart, no history of violence to other kids in
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: the school. Why them? Why did this happen?
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: It's an extremely legitimate question to pose, and it demands
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: an investigation.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Damn Yeah, there's actually another.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: The Eli Lilly Corporation pharmaceutical a couple parts of it
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: nearly fifteen years covered up their own internal investigation that
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: showed that anyone on prozac is twelve times more likely
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: to attempt suicide than those using other antidepressants, not twelve
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: times more than the.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: That is weird to they keep prescribing.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: This is a criminal act, and I want to know
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: why these criminals are still walking the streets.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Geez, Michael Moore. So, yeah, that's an interesting that is
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: a good point.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: And then the maker of the YouTube video editorial, Oh,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: the winner's been announced.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Oh finally, bullshit, that's twice.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I'm starting to think that guy just wins every time
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: if you make it really a long amount of time.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe one of them a sprinter, maybe they have different.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: We don't need to figure out the analytics of the
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: holiday flash game race.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Uh so yeah, that I mean, he does make a
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: really interesting point in that if we do, the rest are.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Up in the holiday but don line stop watch Timer
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: and I can prove it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: If we did find out that mass shootings were just
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: a drug thing where we were just misprescribing drugs or
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: over prescribing them, wouldn't that.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Be such a fucking relief.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we wouldn't have to have all these like questions
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: of conscience. Yeah, like all these like about like, well,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: what is it about our country? It'd just been like, yeah, oh.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Shit, we just have more druss, We're taking too many drugs.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Holy shit. That's all it is.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Like. But it does seem like also the thing that
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: they're never really gonna look.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Into yeah that closely.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Well, just there's too much fucking money, and they're like, well,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: I'll take some of my viagra profits and I'll use
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: it to fucking cover up my prozac foibles.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, it's crazy. I really don't
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: know either. I'm yeah, I'm kind of all over the
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: place on this one.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: It doesn't if nothing else, there's not a lot of
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: hard evidence or science behind it, which is you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: it seems like a thing that there could.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Be science behind.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know if we're just not looking
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: into it. Well, for one thing, the seed is prohibited
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: from looking into gun violence and the causes of it. Yeah,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: so that probably has something to do with why there's
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: never been an actual scientific study conducted on the cause
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: of mass shootings and.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: All these all these databases seem to have around different
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: caveats of what they can actually tell you and what's
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: actually reported within them.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: So that the fact that we don't allow the CDC
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: to look into why mass shootings happen that I feel
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: like lends a little credence to this, but there still
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: needs to be more, more, more proof.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: More than just a Google doc from a dead guy.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a dead guy who was obviously killed by
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: the government California. So yeah, who knows. But uh, this
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: was interesting, interesting episode, very interesting. When is this going
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: up the eighteenth? Then this might be no, because we
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: still have an episode going up next Monday that we
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: recorded a while back, okay, the moon landing thing, and
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: then well the next Monday would be Christmas.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, so this will go up January first. Wow, Okay,
• 46:11
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