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Zelensky makes urgent plea to Trump as Putin targets Ukraine · DEEP INSIGHT

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  Speaker 1: President Zelensky, welcome to the program from Kyiv.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks so much. Happy to see you, Christian.
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  Speaker 1: So this is an incredibly important moment. All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: it looks like talks may be getting underway again. In Oslo,
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  Speaker 1: you met with the U.S. delegation, the negotiators, particularly Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Witkoff.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And I said that, look, we can call it ceasefire.
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  Speaker 4: We can call stop the killings. We can call freeze
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  Speaker 4: the conflict. The only one thing what is important, not
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  Speaker 4: the item, the result.
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  Speaker 3: We have to move from the war time, we have
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  Speaker 3: to move to diplomatic way, how to get real end
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  Speaker 3: of this war, how to get peace. And this is
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  Speaker 3: very important. You know, yeah, between us, when it was
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  Speaker 3: the beginning of President Trump's storm, he proposed unconditional ceasefire
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  Speaker 3: and we supported Russia.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Then President Trump moved to stop the killings and we supported.
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  Speaker 3: And Russia is continuing now to kill us each day.
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  Speaker 3: And today we had also ballistic missiles. Attack, massive attack.
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  Speaker 3: And then they said, maybe it's a free conflict.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: For Ukraine, it's not about the name, the result. Stop
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  Speaker 3: the killing, cease fire, or free the conflict, and have
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  Speaker 3: strong security guarantees. Because this is important. The most important thing, security.
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  Speaker 3: guarantees security peace, not to give any chance for Russia,
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  Speaker 3: for Putin or for other Putins who.
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  Speaker 2: Will be in the future, I don't know, to come
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  Speaker 2: back to Ukraine and kill our people. Okay, Mr.
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  Speaker 1: President, can I ask you, because Secretary Rubio, who you've
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  Speaker 1: also spoken to, told reporters yesterday that, as you say,
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  Speaker 1: the fight is over a lot of territory still, concentrated
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  Speaker 1: on what happens to the remainder of the Donbass.
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  Speaker 3: So, first of all, for us, Our land is very
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  Speaker 3: important because it's about people. It's not about kilometers. But
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  Speaker 3: when we want to speak about kilometers, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: just to remind everybody, now about 19.5, 19, even 0.4%
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  Speaker 3: of our territory is temporarily occupied.
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  Speaker 2: Not 25, 40, 70, and et cetera. This is important.
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  Speaker 2: If we want to speak about kilometers, but more important,
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  Speaker 2: it's about people.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of people died defending this land.
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  Speaker 2: Defending our independence, our country.
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  Speaker 3: A part of Donbass, it's a part of our country.
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  Speaker 3: And all is what is occupied is temporarily occupied. So
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  Speaker 3: nobody will recognize these territories, which are temporarily occupied as
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  Speaker 3: Russian territories.
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  Speaker 2: And I think Russia understands it. It's a pity if
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  Speaker 2: somebody doesn't understand, but it's up to them. So for me,
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  Speaker 2: what is important to speak very clearly. So stop the killings,
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  Speaker 2: cease fire or freeze.
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  Speaker 3: Then diplomatic way of negotiations. If Putin was to negotiate
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  Speaker 3: about territories, what Steve told me, Not once. Jared and
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  Speaker 3: other people, they know my attitude to it. And if
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  Speaker 3: they want to talk about our territories, really want Russians
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  Speaker 3: or Russians with negotiation position of Americans, they have to
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  Speaker 3: know that they will speak directly with me on the
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  Speaker 3: level of leaders.
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  Speaker 2: It's my responsibility. And people trust me. And this is
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  Speaker 2: my duty to speak about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So no talks about Ukraine without Ukraine, as you've
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  Speaker 1: said many times. Do you trust right now that even if,
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  Speaker 1: you know, real security guarantees are put on the table,
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  Speaker 1: that the U.S., the Trump administration would actually come to
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  Speaker 1: be able to impose those security guarantees if there was
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  Speaker 1: another threat by Putin?
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  Speaker 3: I think that what is important that American side proposed
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  Speaker 3: is bilateral security guarantees from American side to Ukraine. And
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  Speaker 3: of course, I said to them, it's better to all
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  Speaker 3: of us have strong security guarantees because it's a signal
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  Speaker 3: to Russia. All of us have to trust the security
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  Speaker 3: guarantees in between us, all the sides. Because for me,
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  Speaker 3: it's very important not only to have strong security guarantees.
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  Speaker 2: From the United States.
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  Speaker 3: For me, it's very important that Russia will know that
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  Speaker 3: Ukraine has strong security guarantees from their strategic partners because
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  Speaker 3: Russia in this way will not think again to come
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  Speaker 3: with occupation because it can be dangerous for them.
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  Speaker 1: Mr. President, obviously there's been a lot of spotlight on
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  Speaker 1: the latest rupture in your relationship with President Trump.
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  Speaker 2: He's blaming you.
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  Speaker 1: You're saying that he's on the wrong side of history
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  Speaker 1: with that diesel deal for Russia. Are you stepping back
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  Speaker 1: from that personal criticism? Have you been advised that this
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  Speaker 1: might not be the best way to be public about
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  Speaker 1: it since you need American help? What are you feeling
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  Speaker 1: right now about this relationship?
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  Speaker 3: So we have our partners, and it's the United States.
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  Speaker 3: And we need to have strong relations with the American administration,
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  Speaker 3: with Congress, and we need bipartisan support. And this all
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  Speaker 3: is very important because it's not about days, it's not
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  Speaker 3: about personalities.
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  Speaker 2: And I hope that it is for the case for
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  Speaker 2: the future between us, because we share the same values.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that we will be in the same
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  Speaker 3: security alliance. So in any way, Ukraine now is a
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  Speaker 3: strong part which can help NATO and be a member
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  Speaker 3: is better.
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  Speaker 2: But also it's important for NATO to have Ukraine. I
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  Speaker 2: think so.
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  Speaker 3: And of course, my opinion to my attitude to Putin
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  Speaker 3: is very clear. I think that if we will lift sanctions,
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  Speaker 3: we will make him stronger. And that's why I'm like
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  Speaker 3: a president. It's not something personal between me and President Trump.
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  Speaker 3: And of course, I'm against any lifting of sanctions. I
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  Speaker 3: always said it to European partners and I said it
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  Speaker 3: directly to American administration. Of course, I know what I do.
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  Speaker 3: I have to strengthen me, my country, my people, my army,
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  Speaker 3: but not my enemies.
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  Speaker 2: And this is, I think, very clear and fair between us.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I know that if you give something to Putin,
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  Speaker 3: he will need everything. He will want everything and will
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  Speaker 3: not come down before he will eat all of this.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I think that these sanctions, it's like the
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  Speaker 2: first step.
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  Speaker 3: I hope that it will stop on it and a
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  Speaker 3: chance to go back, whether it's bad, but it can
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  Speaker 3: be new lifting of sanctions. And it will only give
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  Speaker 3: much more money for Putin for this war. And that's
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  Speaker 3: why I'm against it. And it doesn't matter how many
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  Speaker 3: people will speak with me about my messages, rhetoric. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: what matters? Who is on the right side? Me and
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  Speaker 3: my country, we are on the right side.
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  Speaker 2: Our partners who support us, on the right side. Americans
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  Speaker 2: on the right side. And if sometimes... somebody.
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  Speaker 3: Makes not the things which are strengthening us. It's been democracy, freedom.
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  Speaker 3: I have to speak about it. Mr.
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  Speaker 1: President, can you tell me about the controversy over intelligence sharing,
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  Speaker 1: over Starlink? Can you tell me what is the situation
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  Speaker 1: now with intelligence sharing and the Musk-owned Starlink quality that
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  Speaker 1: you need there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 3: So, as I said yesterday, by the way, or the
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  Speaker 3: day before, we had a conversation by phone with Secretary Rubio,
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  Speaker 3: and we spoke about, we raised these topics, and I
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  Speaker 3: said that we had real problems with intelligence.
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  Speaker 2: We are thankful for this.
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  Speaker 3: But there is very sensitive information. It's only warning, yes,
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  Speaker 3: when you know.
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  Speaker 2: That Russia uses ballistic exactly this moment.
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  Speaker 3: It means that we need to give a signal to
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  Speaker 3: our population, to civilians to go quickly, as quick as
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  Speaker 3: possible to bomb shelters. So it's all about lives. And
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  Speaker 3: that's why we spoke about it. That was point number one.
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  Speaker 3: Now intelligence works.
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  Speaker 2: Why we raise this topic? Because we know how it works.
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  Speaker 3: And this is a big challenge and dangerous that we
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  Speaker 3: didn't get any information from any channels, we didn't get
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  Speaker 3: this message. That's why it was so dangerous for us.
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  Speaker 3: And I asked, please give us intelligence back. And it
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  Speaker 3: works now, thanks to secretary, thanks to Congress, thanks to president.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know who did it. I mean, I really
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  Speaker 2: don't know on what level, but thanks, it came back.
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  Speaker 3: Then the second about Starlink's And Starshield, it's a military
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  Speaker 3: version of Starlink. We use these systems and we are
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  Speaker 3: thankful to government and SpaceX. We've been thankful all this
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  Speaker 3: period of time. I'm thankful to Europeans who paid for this.
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  Speaker 3: So one night, can you imagine all the drones, what
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  Speaker 3: we use? And I will explain why it's so important.
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  Speaker 3: But all the drones began to be slow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it was not a technical problem because between us,
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  Speaker 3: it still doesn't work.
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  Speaker 2: So, but it was limited, then a little bit increased,
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  Speaker 2: the speed.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, in some days after all this noise, yes, but
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  Speaker 3: now it's still limited.
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  Speaker 2: Why it's so important?
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  Speaker 3: I gave an example with jet drones, the new generations
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  Speaker 3: of their drones. I mean, Russian drones, but which are Iranian,
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  Speaker 3: it's real, really, but Russia now produces them.
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  Speaker 2: These drones attacked our schools, universities, bridges, and of course, energy,
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  Speaker 2: everything what you see.
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  Speaker 3: And we found a way how to destroy these Iranian
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  Speaker 3: jet drones. It was our, I think, unique instrument, how
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  Speaker 3: to destroy these jet drones after all these massive attacks
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  Speaker 3: during August and September.
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  Speaker 2: And it was our interceptors.
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  Speaker 3: New drones, which are using with quick speed by Starlink.
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  Speaker 2: So drones with Starlink.
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  Speaker 3: And when Iranian drone goes with the speed 450 kilometers
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  Speaker 3: or 500 kilometers, and your limit one night decreased to
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  Speaker 3: 70 or even to 100, you cannot destroy anything.
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  Speaker 2: And this is terrible. Who do you think did it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, technically, it can do, I think, SpaceX.
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  Speaker 3: But the decision comes by themselves or from some institutions.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's not clear for me. But technically, it can do
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  Speaker 3: only one opening.
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  Speaker 2: Is it up to speed? I don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: Is it back up to speed or not?
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  Speaker 3: Now, we had enough speed to destroy Iranian Shahids, 400,
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  Speaker 3: 500 kilometers per hour.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more than 300 miles.
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  Speaker 3: Now we had maximum 100 miles. And it's very important
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  Speaker 3: not to be mistaken. It's not about the drones which
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  Speaker 3: you use or which you can use on Russian territory.
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  Speaker 2: It's not about deep strikes. Sure.
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  Speaker 3: You can't say that, look, and the Ukrainians attack some
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  Speaker 3: refineries or something like this, and that's why we limit it.
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  Speaker 2: No. No.
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  Speaker 3: We don't attack Russians, any Russians' military goals or energy
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  Speaker 3: goals using Starlink.
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  Speaker 2: Never.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I asked President Trump and we asked SpaceX
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  Speaker 3: to open for us these.
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  Speaker 2: For what? I can explain to.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody to understand that we are responding. So for what
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  Speaker 3: we really wanted to get help about Starlink on the
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  Speaker 3: territory of Russia. Because after attacks on our civilian infrastructure and.
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  Speaker 2: Energy, we didn't have enough Patriot missiles.
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  Speaker 3: So the only one way is to block Russian launches
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  Speaker 3: of ballistic missiles.
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  Speaker 2: How you can block them? Yeah. You can destroy them
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  Speaker 2: after the attacks.
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  Speaker 3: You can destroy the launches using Starlink or something similar.
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  Speaker 3: This is only one thing what we asked, but they
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  Speaker 3: never gave us this.
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  Speaker 2: Americans never gave us this possibility. That's why it was strange.
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  Speaker 3: They limited us in Ukraine. It means limited our possibility
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  Speaker 3: to defend.
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  Speaker 1: And my final question. Clearly, President Putin thinks that this
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  Speaker 1: winter he is going to break the back of Ukrainian resistance,
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  Speaker 1: both morale and on the front line and maybe with
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  Speaker 1: these negotiations. What is the risk for you, for the civilians,
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  Speaker 1: for the integrity of Ukraine this coming winter? And what
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  Speaker 1: did you think about Steve Witkoff calling Putin a humanitarian,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, for releasing that 74-year-old American?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 3: The first thing, of course, Putin wants to continue this war.
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  Speaker 3: And of course, American side can stop him. And of course,
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  Speaker 3: if personally American side can't do it because of the
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  Speaker 3: different reasons, I mean, this Putin doesn't want and et cetera,
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  Speaker 3: because what I hear from negotiators and Steve and Jared
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  Speaker 3: and president, that they want to end this war. And
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  Speaker 3: if they can't stop him, and I hope they will,
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  Speaker 3: and I hope that we will have negotiations, some meetings,
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  Speaker 3: some success, because the last meetings in Norway was a.
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  Speaker 2: Productive meeting between us.
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  Speaker 3: But Putin is playing, you know, he's a player. So
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  Speaker 3: it's a pity because he plays with the lives of
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  Speaker 3: other people.
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  Speaker 2: And of course he doesn't want.
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  Speaker 3: So what we wanted from our partners, not to give
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  Speaker 3: him possibility, be stronger and break us. For this, we
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  Speaker 3: need next things, not to lift sanctions from Putin, not
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  Speaker 3: to give him additional money. The second point is to
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  Speaker 3: give us Patriot missiles. We are asking for our partners.
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  Speaker 3: We are asking very much. We have now from Europeans
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  Speaker 3: some number. It's not enough to defend ourselves because our
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  Speaker 3: energy system is under attack.
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  Speaker 2: And bridges. The separation of Russia. They want to destroy
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  Speaker 2: all the bridges. What is important?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. To understand the goal of Putin.
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  Speaker 2: Break us. Destroy us. Kill us. That's why.
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  Speaker 3: We hope that the American administration and negotiators and Congress,
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  Speaker 3: and they know it, they understand it, they will support us.
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  Speaker 2: It's not, by the way, it's not too much, and
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  Speaker 2: we pay for these missiles.
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  Speaker 3: We're asking, I know that they are focusing on Middle East,
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  Speaker 3: but I understand it's important, but everybody in Europe, everybody from,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, all of the leaders, we all see the
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  Speaker 3: number what Middle East can get from American side, and
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's another.
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  Speaker 2: Support to Ukraine. We understand.
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  Speaker 3: We don't want to compare. We're just asking not to
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  Speaker 3: forget about us. We're thankful for all the support that's
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  Speaker 3: been done. We are asking for critical, important things about
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  Speaker 3: Patriot missiles. If energy ceasefire is not supported by Russian side,
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  Speaker 3: and we are asking if it's possible to give us
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  Speaker 3: a shield with normal speed to defend ourselves, great. If not, okay,
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  Speaker 3: we will survive and we will stay strong. We will
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  Speaker 3: try to do it and we will do everything to
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  Speaker 3: bring peace closer, but we will not give chance Putin
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  Speaker 3: to win this war.
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  Speaker 1: President Zelensky, thank you very much indeed for joining us
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  Speaker 1: at this very difficult time.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.