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Let it go. Talk all we can. We can talk over it with
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the Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trip podcast. Always always you didn't play with it
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yet, because that's why that's cool. That's talking to people. That's why
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they're great. Even what we're doing right now is better than what we've done
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in the past. Yeah, I'm just keeping organic. Well I don't.
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But what if you listen to it just on audio alone? It doesn't work?
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What do you mean, Oh, you don't hear? Does that audio
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level is at the same level as our mics exactly? So too bad.
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Send me the audio file of that and I'll put it through Da Vinci.
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Right, it's what two minutes long? I know it's two minutes long,
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right, something like that. Yeah, at about thirty seconds in I will
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have its audio just automatically go down to about it. I can do that
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too, Okay, that's all you gotta do is take it down to ten
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or twenty percent and then you don't have that issue. All right, I'm
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gonna I'm gonna put him a pool in the in the Facebook group and people
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can buy squares like it's Super Bowl saying yeah, happened? When will When
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will this get done. You know what, No, I should leave it
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for Chad because he has yet to turn in his own really yeah, yeah,
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yeah, you know what chest on that all season Caldo Watt has just
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been completely screwing up. Caldo Watt is though he's a watt of something.
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I don't know what to tell you. I don't know what to tell you.
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Well, I was on that mom and dad are fighting. Yeah that's
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right. We woke up and yeah, yeah, no, I mean I
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was on the road all week. I had a long week. I didn't
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really have the best stuff with me to really be able to request. I
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could have just done in the car, you know, like like thin sometimes
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when you see but yeah, I just yeah, you know that is Do
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you see that world's smallest violin playing just for you, buddy, thank you?
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Is that a violin? It's a little uh spot harp the whole lord
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the spot harp. M there you go? Oh boy? Righty? Then
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another week, there we are. It's Trek Cast, the Galaxy's Most Unpredictable
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Star Trek Podcast. I'm Chad, that's Dan, that's Daniel, even though
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the names don't come out right too, I don't know what utan too?
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What what is that the planet he goes to, that pike goes to or
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what? No, I use that? Uh? That that name generator that
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I sent you guys. Oh and uh I got I got out on two.
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Okay, I thought mine, I've been I've been using this for years.
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I probably told the story before. But when I wanted an unlisted phone
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number but didn't want to pay for it, I listed it in my room
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in my quote unquote roommate's name, which was this. So you know,
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back when, back when the phone book was a thing, you could you
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could look up land Doumbrado Yeah nah and find him in the I still get
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mail for him every now and then. That's like when I signed up for
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all those free CDs from Clearinghouse and w or whatever it was not CDWU.
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Yeah, yeah, I put it unto the dog's name. Was there a
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one to start with a B as well? Like yeah, yeah, yeah
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I did that for a while. I was like the first time I got
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a bill or got stuff, I was like, yeah, I'm stupid.
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I know. We put it in a dog named you build a dog,
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You're right boy? Oh well, yeah, my dog committed a federal felony
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fraud. Yeah, mail fraud. Awesome. Yeah, anyways, back to
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committing crimes. That's good to news. Yeah, So there's been a lot
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of news stories in the past few hours or past few days. Yer Trick.
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The the big one that is making the rounds is Prodigy has been officially
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canceled and will be removed from Paramountain Plus pretty soon, looking like at the
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end of the month. So that part, it doesn't make sense to me
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why it's being removed. Yeah, they're saying that it's for like tax right
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off purpose. Yeah, because then they don't have to pay whatever. Yeah,
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it's dumb. That just that just seems like a dick move. Yeah,
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it's you know, okay, you're canceling the show, but it's it's
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still part of your flagship franchise. I don't know, Chaz says, removed
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Discovery. Please would think about think about how much of a tax right off
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that would be removed? Five seasons of Discovery that one of the taxes for
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like three years. Yeah, like not even six months ago. They were
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touting that finally Paramount was the home of all the Star Trek, they had
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all the movies, they had all the series for like a month and a
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half and then they like sent the movies to to HBO. Yeah, still
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there was a shining month and a half. Such a mess. Yeah,
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it's it's such a mess. It's really not difficult cold either. Um well,
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I mean this is part of what they're they're they're striking for right now
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is the fact that they have to pay them residuals and they're not paying them
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much. So now the studios are just like, forget it, We're not
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going to pay you at all. I mean, um, HBO is currently
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doing a thing right now where they're not even listening their directors as directors,
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so that way they don't technically have to pay them as much at the current
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levels, and they're listing them as creatives, which is a different classification.
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You know, everyone, it's it's getting ridiculous. Everyone is cutting corners to
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save money. It doesn't matter if you're running a streaming service, if you're
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making a movie or designing a submarine exactly. And it's stress. Yeah and
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and and just like that stuff. It's not gonna end. Well, who
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are you going to send these stream We're gonna sell the streamings visit to If
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everybody's cutting corners, who are gonna who's gonna buy them? Yeah, you
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know, I don't know. I got enough. I'm ready to cancel a
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bunch of them because yeah, uh there is a change dot org petition because
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that's what we do on the internet going right now, Save Star Trek Prodigy
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right now. It's just just shy of ninety two hundred uh um signatures right
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now. To give you an idea, the Make Star Trek Legacy show has
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over sixty thousand signatures. Yeah, so that fork in it. Yeah,
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yeah, nobody cares about recording. According to Scott, it's our fault,
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that's right, our doing, yes, because we did not watch it.
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I didn't watch it. We didn't plug it enough. It's our fault.
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The blame falls squarely at our feet. They sorry, but they have shot
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well shot, it's animation and recorded season two. They plan on finishing it,
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like doing all the prose work, and then they're gonna shop it around
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to other streaming services so that streamer would get exclusive rights to season two to
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air it for the first time. How does that work though? How does
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how does that work? How does paramount? We're canceling the show, but
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we're gonna We're gonna finish it. But we're not gonna air it. We're
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gonna sell it to someone else to air it. How does that make any
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sense? Well, they've already invested X amount of dollars and they're so closed,
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so you might as well just complete it. They're not going to put
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it on their own service because then they don't have to pay those residuals.
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Like we talked about, it's also a tax ride off, but then they
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can pick up a little bit of extra money by letting somebody else actually stream
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it and air it um because the points if they air it themselves, then
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they don't make any that extra revenue off of it, and they pay it.
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Then what's the point of having your own streaming service? Then just sell
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your content to others? Well and stop with I mean, that's a streaming
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service. Sony is exclusively just selling it out to anyone who will do.
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And then remember when we did a recap on paramounts um stock UH Investor in
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call just a few months ago, I had talked about how some analysts were
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saying this is the move Paramount should do because right now they're just basically fighting
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for fourth or fifth place among the streamers. They should just get rid of
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paramount plus it just sell to whoever will buy m so I mean, yeah,
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I don't know who's gonna I mean for pennies of a dollar. Yeah,
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yeah, So, but we do have some good news. Um,
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this is coming from fansided dot com and start Chrek Deep Space nine audiobook is
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coming around the corner. Should be released in August first, and it will
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be narrated then none other by Andrew Robinson aka Elam Garrick. So the book
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he wrote a simple Taylor what was a Stitch in Time? His book that
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he wrote years ago? Oh yeah that was years ago, Yeah, that
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he wrote that. Yeah, we're finally getting around to doing the audio book,
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so I'm sure that will be the talk of STL. Have you listened
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to it yet? So I don't know, Yeah, all right, cool.
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I mean I'll probably get it and listen to it on the plane.
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So yeah, yeah, it's a good I mean just listening to some that's
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that'd be good. Yeah, I mean doing it in the Garrett voice,
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that'll be great. Yeah. So and then our last news story because I
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think this week has been very weird with with fake coups and fake subs.
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You know, we need a fake well, I mean they just gave up
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pretty quick. My god, three, World War three is coming. Yeah,
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oh yeah, it's coming. I don't even know what you're talking about.
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Fake kus What do you mean. I know about the sub but what
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do you mean by fake coup? Oh there was stuff in Russia. Yeah,
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they had to recall Russian troops from Ukraine to protect Moscow from from from
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their militia there. Yeah. Yeah, and then in the end they were
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they were like, uh, yeah, well they negotiated and and and he
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backed down and now he's gonna go live in Belarus and uh, you know,
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they're like, we'll give you a mansion in Belarus if you stop trying
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to overthrow Russia. And he was like you one month, lease, Oh,
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don't worry about it, don't worry about it, Just drink this kool
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aid. Exactly What is that guy thinking? Oh my god. Yeah.
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Anyway, yeah, if that deal doesn't come with a with a like a
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food taster, then I'm not interested. So anyway, So something fun,
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something nice. Last week we had reported that we had some news from Giant
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freaking Robot. But now we have the truth from Briety and we have the
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cap from Paddington three. Just stop, let this joke die please. I
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mean, we can preview the aw Forbidden Door pay per view. Oh lord,
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yeah, that's what I thought. There was something we were supposed to
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do one last week's show and just didn't And now I can't remember what it
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was. Oh, I know he talked about it. What was it?
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Because I thought about it like twenty minutes after I walked away from the computer
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and it's the voicemail from Tim Morris from across the pond. No, there
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was something else too. I mean we should definitely play that too. Yeah,
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yeah, but there was something else we were supposed to talk about.
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We're like, yeah, we'll talk about that later. And you guys are
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want to talking about the Flash. Yeah, we talked about the Flash.
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Yeah, so you did that. There was something else I did hear a
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very nerdy question that I could bring up to you guys if you want sure
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go for you or a love nerdy questions. All right, this is not
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surgic related, but you know people can can comment too in the group.
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But so here's the question. Batman is either committing insurance fraud or he's driving
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around the Batmobile without insurance to protect a secret identity. Which is it?
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Oh, he's driving it around without insurance. Yeah, he's driving it without
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insurance. But I mean he's essentially self insured because Bruce Wayne's just writing checks
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left hand right, Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, his body is writing
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checks it can cash. Well, it's not insurance fraud. He's just driving
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an uninsured motor vehicle, right, I mean, there's nothing right of a
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ticket for it. Yeah, well, no, it is illegal. It
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is illegal. He's also driving an unregistered motor vehicle. It's also traveling.
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I'm traveling. I don't know. I just I just go places, that's
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right. He also doesn't have a valid inspection on the No, no,
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no, no no, because you don't need that, because Arthur is a
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isn't as a license inspector. Probably who the hell is Arthur? I don't
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know, I said, Arthur. I'm like, that's not it's not Arthur.
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Are talking about Alfred? Alfred? Yes, the other one, Arthur.
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I don't know where I came up with Arthur, I said it.
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I'm like, I'm gonna get shipped for that. Oh Man and Commissioner Grubin.
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Commissioner Grubin who sings and every every scene he's in It's grobin oh that
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one. Yeah, Commissioner Josh Grubin, Arthur nickel Worth. I love it,
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Arthur, he's my favorite. Oh man, oh lord, all right,
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sorry, not sorry, that's okay, I don't care. Let's get
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to the main topic, all right, please, we don't have it.
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What what the log line from Paramount? Yeah? Yeah they forgot Yeah so
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people, So I go to the official Paramount uh public relations website every show
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to read the official Paramount log line two sentences what the show is about.
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They didn't update it this week at all. Term for they just do not
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care. Well, they don't. They don't want to pay the writer to
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type that up. Yeah right now, so they couldn't do that. Give
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it up. No, So it's this is the uh, this is the
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um Pike Attorney at Law episode. That's right, he believe the attorney but
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I mean uh or whatever it was. Yeah, yeah, Boston Legal.
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Um, there is an episode of Boston Legal where um Shatner ye meets seven
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of nine And so you've got you've got Jerry Ryan Shatner and uh Renee Arbage
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of whatever in the same room all at the same time, and both of
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the guys are staring at her breasts. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. It's
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an awesome scene and she just rips schatting her apart. It's great anyway.
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So it is definitely a trial episode. Um, you know, Pablo says
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it's a budget saving episode. I don't know about that. We had to
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get the old thing out of the world. It's definitely a budget saving episode.
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Oh yeah, I could tell what was not in the budget. A
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legal advisor, like they zero lawyers, looked at this script before they filmed
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this turd. Yeah, yeah, I will say as I did look up
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why they did not have Pike in the first episode, and the producers have
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said that it is because that's when he had they had the baby, so
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he was off being with his wife and child, so that's why he wasn't
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there. I would say, they don't shoot things in order all the time,
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so you you could have just changed up the way you shot things,
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and yeah, you could have been in that episode. So I say,
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nay, nay, but whatever. Play the whip at Anna's song. That's
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right. I did like this. Okay, there's several things about this episode
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that I actually enjoyed and This was interesting because it's not very often that we
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see any crew of any ship go down to a planet and have to struggle
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on that planet. Right, We just don't see that very often, wearing
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a mask oxygen because if it's not an M class planet, they keep driving.
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That's right, true, But I mean there's outliers to that, clearly,
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there has to be. So yeah, So I thought I thought it
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was interesting. I thought it was great. I loved how he just called
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their bluff, sitting there about ready to pass out and the until he got
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what he wanted. I thought that was awesome as well. I don't get
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the well I do, and I don't um get the animosity of this lady
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here the attorney. UM I don't I get it, but I don't.
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Deliriums are supposed to be smart. They're supposed to be genetically modified, you
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know, and and and be strong or whatever. But I guess because what
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else are you gonna do? Hey, you want to be her lawyer?
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Sure, she's upset because because um Una went and hid with the non Illirians
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on the planet, she didn't go to the Illyrian side of the planet,
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right because she can she can pass quote. I'm doing air quotes she can
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pass for non modified. And then to top it off, she went and
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joined Starfleet. So she joined the oppressive regime. That's why she's pissed off.
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Yeah, I guess so. I mean it just twenty years ago,
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thirty years ago, however long it was, right, I mean whatever,
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hold a grudge. Yeah, I didn't understand this whole thing, the whole
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episode. The major thing, there's a lot, a couple of major things
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with the major thing I didn't understand was why leon is even allowed in a
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uniform with the level of which they're going through. In terms of this genetic
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augumentation, she's the daughter of Nunion Sing, she's or descendant. I guess
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whatever. She's clearly got enhanced strength. This is just totally not even thought
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of her or it just totally skipped over because I brought this up a couple
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of times, um, and I guess it's because she's not genetically modified.
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She is the descendant of genetically modified people. So I guess, if you
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if you want a few generations removed, but if you want to, if
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if you want to, you know, Star Trek is all about allegories.
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Okay, Um, you sneak into this country. Uh, you know,
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without going through proper channels, you're an illegal alien. You have broken the
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law. You have a child here. That child is a US citizen.
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Doesn't matter what mom and dad did, that child is a US citizen.
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So I think it's the same in that someone before her in her lineage was
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genetically modified. But she is a human being and she was born a human
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being, so you can't hold that against her. No, No, I
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mean I could see that analogy. I think you know, they they purposely
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have left it vague enough. Yeah, because they don't. It's either they're
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gonna explain it later in this season or they haven't decided what they're gonna do
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with it yet. I would probably they don't know, because even like this
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episode, I feel like the cliffhanger last season, they wrote themselves into a
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corner and this is how they got out of it, and it just wasn't
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good. We could say the job. We did say that, or at
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least I think Dan and I land Dombardo and I agreed on this that they
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would get rid of the problem with UNA in the first half of the season
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rather quickly, as opposed to letting it go on the entire season. Yeah,
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we had we had a knee and projections whether it be over in one
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episode, right, yeah, so technically it was two, but still still
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yeah, pretty quick, pretty early, pretty quick agick and the chat asks
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why was Betel the jag officer. Isn't she the captain of the of the
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Cayoga lawyer and ship captain. Oh, that's on my list, that's on
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my list of ridiculous things. Now. I know in the past we have
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had high ranking Starfleet officers act as attorneys, um, but usually it was
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because we are out there somewhere and we have a limited pool of personnel to
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choose from, so the high ranking officers can act in this capacity. They're
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literally on Earth. They're literally on Earth. There's no competent lawyer that they
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can bring in to prosecute this case. They're going to use the starship captain.
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Right. I love what makes no sense? B twelve twenty six just
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said this show needs more strange new worlds. That's that's what I said in
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my quick reaction. Where where's the exploring in the Explorers show? Yeah?
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Yeah, well you got it in the first episode. Whether you like that
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one or not, Um, you didn't get it in the second episode because
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I had to do something with Una. Was that really exploring or was that
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just traveling to a demilitary zone? Yeah, that's a new world. That's
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a new world we haven't seen before. I'm talking about that's from the perspective
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of the view or it's a new it's a new world we haven't seen before.
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So so I follow I follow a guy on YouTube. I think he's
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called Legal Legal Legal. Yeah. I've probably talked about him before, Yeah,
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yeah, and his A lot of his videos are that The title is
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like real Lawyer reacts to such and such, and in the beginning, it
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was him reacting to different TV shows or movies. The very first one I
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watched was Real Lawyer Reacts to My cousin Vitty And surprisingly, you would not
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you would not think so, but surprisingly that movie is about legally accurate.
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The things that happen in the courtroom in that movie are are spot on.
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Um. This episode of Star Trek is the complete opposite. And I have
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my list and if you guys want to want to go, I'll go through
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my list. That guy's done a few Star Trek episodes too. Yeah,
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he's like check. So in the beginning UNA's offered a plea agreement, plea
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bargain, and she rejects it. Um rejects what they hadn't charged her with
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a crime yet, m um, which leads into the fact that she's been
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locked up for two months and they haven't charged her with the crime yet.
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Yeah. Okay, so all right, she's been locked up for two months.
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Um. And then we see her arrayment, or at least that's what
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the admiral calls it, Okay. In arrayment is where you're informed of what
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the charges are and you enter a plea and they set and they set bail,
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um and legal accouncil, legal counsels us there. Okay, So I
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means Una was in jail for two months without ever being charged with a crime.
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Federation law has always mirrored the US justice system. They call their civil
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rights guarantees. We've we've heard that before, like, oh, I'm gonna
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exercise the fifth guarantee or whatever. Um. So I'm fairly certain that Federation
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citizens have due process rights, including the right to a speedy in public trial.
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Or the writers don't actually know what an arrayment is. That's just a
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word that they used. Uh. That's likely the case, because we then
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see the arrayment. The Admiral refers to the next hearings as the arrayment.
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Um. And then they moved to amend the charges. But again, they
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haven't charged her with anything. So how can you amend something that you haven't
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that you haven't charged her with. Um. Is it that they haven't charged
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her or we just didn't see them charge her. If they're having an arrayment,
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they haven't charged her. Right, you're being charged, Yes, you
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are arrested. Then you are arraigned in front of in front of a magistrate,
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which is a judge telling you what what you're being charged with, asking
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you how you please to those charges, yeah, and then asking you if
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you have an attorney, and if you don't, they assign you one,
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and then setting bail to decide or or saying that they're not going to set
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bail and remanding you to the custody of you know whatever. Right, Okay,
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that's an arrayment that happens after arrest. She was arrested and just sat
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in a room for two months, and then they called this hearing an arrayment,
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but didn't do any of the things that you do at an arrayment.
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And then the trial starts and the first thing they do is ask her how
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she pleased to the charges. They don't do that at a trial, they
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do that at an arrayment. Yeah. Yeah. So, like I said,
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they could have just handed the script to like any attorney in the world
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and they would have said this is uh, this is all wrong. You
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know, you got to you gotta change this. Why Ispatel acting as a
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star as a as a prosecutor. Yeah, that made no sense. Um
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Okay, the whole asylum thing just doesn't make any sense at all. Asylum
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is when you ask one government or group to protect you from another government or
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group that is persecuting you. She wasn't fleeing persecution by Starfleet. She was
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living her best life. It's Starfleet, yeah right. And she didn't ask
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for asylum when she got a rest. No, No, that was nonsense.
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That was some made up shit that the lawyer came up with at the
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end. Right. And if you're seeking asylum, you can't seek asylum from
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the same organization that's persecuting you. That doesn't make any sense. A North
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Korean citizen cannot ask the North Korean government to protect them from the North Korean
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government because they're being persecuted by the North Korean government. It makes no sense
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whatsoever. Okay, So then the lawyer, her lawyer asks Lan says,
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I'll need access to the Starfleet Uniform Code of Justice. This is an obvious
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reference to the United States Uniform Code of Military Justice, which is the law
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for the for the military. She's an attorney and she doesn't have access to
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that on her own. I mean, what's that It's not in her database.
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You could google the UC on your phone right now. It makes no
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sense. It was one of those things where you know, we want to
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say this legal sounding phrase in the show, So we're gonna have her ask
29:15
for this thing that she likely already has access to, so real quick pobles
29:22
bring it up. They didn't think there's through uh, And being only this
29:26
part of the season, it's not a good sign, I will say this.
29:29
It's not that. It's that when things are not interesting, then we
29:33
tend to pick it apart. And that's not the good sign I would say,
29:37
because if if this was a fuinn interesting show, we'd gloss over a
29:41
lot of yes, yes exactly. So. Laan references the case Starfleet versus
29:48
Wick as an example of fruit of the poisonous tree which is a legal doctrine
29:53
that is hundreds of years old at this point, that basically says illegally obtained
30:00
evidence is not admissible in court. If the tree is poisoned, the fruit
30:04
that you get from the tree is also poison Okay, why is she referencing
30:11
this case from this legal doctrine that is hundreds of years old? She is
30:15
essentially she's a military police officer. She is a police officer having a conversation
30:21
with an attorney. They both know what fruit of the poisonous tree means.
30:26
Why is she explaining it and and citing a legal case? But it's it's
30:33
still it makes no sense. I know you, there's lap she could have
30:38
She could have very she could have very well said, Um, I have
30:41
reason to believe that the evidence against Una was obtained illegally, but it wasn't.
30:48
But it wasn't. It doesn't matter. But that's the conversation they were
30:52
having. Yeah, that's argument. Yeah, and then um, after a
31:00
long talk about fruit of the boises tree, Lawn tries to order O'Hora to
31:04
illegally obtain evidence that she can use to exonerate. Yeah. That was a
31:10
stupid scene. Yeah, Yeah, that made no sense. Okay. At
31:15
the trial, they ask Una if she consents to Patel as the prosecuting officer.
31:19
Since when does an accused criminal have a say over who prosecutes them?
31:23
That makes no sense whatsoever? Right, Uh? Just you know some of
31:34
the when they when they have them quoting the law, it's just like,
31:40
that's not how that would be written. UM. General Order one, also
31:45
known as the Prime Directive, says quote and I you know, turned on
31:49
the close captioning, no starship shall interfere with the normal development of any alien
31:56
life or society. A starship is an inanimate object. Mm hmm. Shouldn't
32:02
it instead say no star fleet officers shall interfere with the normal development event in
32:07
life for society? And then I have to ask does the Prime Directive only
32:13
apply to starfleet officers or to Federation citizens? Because WARF's brother was not a
32:21
star fleet officer. Sergey and he remember he interviewed in the development of those
32:24
those people they weren't around. The hollow dead came yep, and it was
32:29
a big deal. It was like, oh, you violated the Prime Directive.
32:30
Well does it apply to him? He's not a star fleet he's not
32:35
a starships he's not a starship, but he's also not a star fleet officer.
32:40
We can go down there, we just can't take the ship. Um.
32:45
When uh, when UNA's lawyers questioning April, Patel objects multiple times and
32:52
the judges just don't react to it. Yeah, you know, something happens.
32:58
You object, you state, you state your grounds for the objection,
33:01
and then the judge rules on your objection. She was just yelling objection and
33:05
they weren't addressing it. And that's the other thing. She was just yelling
33:07
objection. That doesn't work either. You have to state why this is in
33:12
projection. I don't like the question that she's asking, right, Yeah,
33:16
that's a mean question. Don't ask that. That's not how it works.
33:20
Yeah. Um. And then after April's testimony, the one of the admiral
33:30
stands up and and chastises her for attacking a starfleet officer on the stand,
33:37
and then he decides that he just unilaterally decides his entire testimony will be stricken
33:42
from the record. Everything. Yeah, everything, everything that was gone right
33:46
out of the record. That an odd scene. Um. The defense quote.
33:52
The defense calls to the stand three expert character witnesses. You call witnesses
33:58
one at a time. You don't call three witnesses. She could state that
34:02
she plans to call three witnesses and then call the first of her witnesses,
34:07
but you don't call three people to the stand. Also, there's two things.
34:10
There's an expert witness and there's a character witness. There's no such thing
34:14
as an expert character witness. An expert witness testifies on subjects that they are
34:21
an expert in a character witness testifies that, you know, hey, Chad's
34:25
a good guy. I've known him since junior high school. It's two totally
34:29
different things. But Land, what you're not what you're not understanding, is
34:32
they needed, they needed to have that segment stretch out longer to fill the
34:36
fifty three minutes or forty three minutes of airtime. And so that expert character
34:39
witness sounds better. That's it. No, it sounds wrong. I know
34:45
it's saying and there, hey there apparently there's no writers legal advisors in Hollywood
34:51
anymore from the strike. I don't know. They just they screw this up
34:54
so bad. I got a few more things. I'm almost one. Keep
34:57
going. Yeah, producer has been like, we need a lawyer to advise
35:04
on this, Who are gonna get a space lawyer? Nor? Yeah?
35:07
Yeah, exactly yeah. Uh. During her closing argument, UNA's lawyer asks
35:13
Patel to read from the Starfleet Code. Why read it yourself? M Why
35:17
are you asking opposing counsel to essentially testify during your closing argument? It makes
35:23
no sense. It's fully improper. I would object, no, read it
35:28
yourself, objection. I'm not the one on the trial on yep. This
35:31
is when you properly say object yeah, objection, your honor. I am
35:36
not I'm not a character witness for the defense. So Captain Pike, Captain
35:43
Pike for real, for real reading is yeah, exactly. Captain Pike didn't
35:47
grant her asylum. He kept his friend's secret. Saying that he granted her
35:52
asylum was mental gymnastics that the lawyer came up with at the last minute.
35:57
Had he actually granted her asylum, he would have followed through and convene the
36:01
tribunal as required by law. It's nonsense. They lied at the end to
36:07
close up the episode. Everyone knows it's a lie, and the tribunal just
36:10
went along with it. It makes it makes no sense. Pike knows it's
36:15
a lie too, and he's just smiling. Yeah, so it's um.
36:20
It's similar to the tired Star Trek trope of I know you disspayed orders,
36:24
but it worked out in the end, so it's okay. It's just a
36:28
last episode. Yeah. Yeah, so this is just a poorly it was
36:34
just a poorly written episode. I'm glad the storyline is tied up. I
36:40
just wish they did a better job of it because I'm eager to visit some
36:45
strange new worlds and see some Star Trek. That would be great. Yep,
36:50
hopefully the next episode. I don't know what. Did they give us
36:52
any kind of a trailer preview of the next episode already? Dude, I
36:55
did not. I've been so sick the past few days. Yeah, yeah,
36:59
I look, I tried to find one. I mean I didn't look
37:01
that hard. I wasn't gonna watch the weekend. But so this episode took
37:08
me twice as long to watch the second time because I kept having to pause
37:13
it to you know, make all these notes to ye, yeah, rip
37:17
it apart today. So I like, I did like the Bulkan on opposing
37:23
counsel, uh, just sitting there listening, and every once in a while
37:27
he put up his hand on hotel like no, just stop, and then
37:30
he finally gave up and gave his argument, which was was was good,
37:34
I guess, but um, yeah, he should have been the one doing
37:37
the whole thing. Honestly. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry you had
37:44
to witness that out first, exactly, like, yeah, I like,
37:50
I really do. I like him. He's hilarious. Yeah, yep.
37:57
Yeah. Well, and it sounds like we all kind of feel the sim
38:00
way about this episode, like it was just hopefully it gets better now.
38:06
Yeah, well it has to, because the two major things that well,
38:08
the major thing that they left hanging from season one into season two is now
38:13
taken care of and out of the way. Well, the two major things
38:16
really there was really there's really three major things that were left hanging. Who
38:21
our new engineer Gul was going to be, thankfully we know that now and
38:23
don't like her, and she wasn't in this episode, so that was great.
38:27
What happens to Leon Okay, she's back now, okay, cool,
38:30
that's taken care of, and what happens to Una all taken care of wrapped
38:35
up. We can move on with the rest of the season now. Yeah,
38:37
thanks for the three part cliffhanger. I mean, yeah, well,
38:46
since uh, since I figured we kind of go through this pretty quick,
38:51
I did want to go over the current Google trends and where we're at with
38:55
Star Drink. Just is the season being well received, is popular? What's
39:00
going on with that? So I figured we could we could look at the
39:02
numbers in real time we see where we're at. So right now, let's
39:07
look at Strange New Worlds as a search term. This is over the past
39:10
thirty days. So the way Google trends works is a zero is it's not
39:15
being mentioned at all. One hundred means that is the peak of popularity in
39:21
a relationship been before. As you can see just before the premiere on the
39:25
sixteenth, it was at the peak. It has fallen down a cliff since
39:30
then, it's roughly forty five percent of where it's you know, the lowest
39:35
and slight upticks since the latest episode has been reviewed at forty seven. So
39:42
that's where we're at. But this is just people searching Strange New world The
39:45
term coming up, okaying an indication of our people even talking about it.
39:51
Well, here's the thing, right right before the show starts, that's people
39:58
googling to find out the show starts when it's gonna be on when it drops,
40:02
you know. And Okay, now I know it's on Thursday mornings.
40:07
I don't need to keep googling it every week to find out it's on Thursday
40:09
mornings, right, So I mean you have to kind of take that peak
40:15
with a grain of salt. Yeah, So here's over a year when it
40:19
was last release last July, about the same level of interest initially, and
40:24
then it just kind of goes back down because now it's not out anymore.
40:29
Yeah, and then back up to where we were. So now let's see
40:32
the same thing with Picard, the other new sure that's been around, So
40:38
the same thing over a year. As you can see, Picard maintained interest.
40:47
You're cutting in and out because you got this website. But I don't
40:50
know what it is when you pull up a web page. I think it's
40:52
when he moves the mouse. Yeah, I think it's when I move the
40:53
mouse. Oh my gosh, you're kidding. You move the mouse and your
40:57
audio goes away? Yeah, apparently, can you running it's a mac I
41:01
don't know, man kind of tin canny or the kind of goes to the
41:05
bottom of the ocean. Right implodes. But you can see Picard was vastly
41:13
more popular than Spange the world's on every possible level. Season three was a
41:19
huge hit. It was a huge, huge, Yeah, absolutely huge.
41:23
But now I want to see in comparison to other things, right, because
41:29
could give us an idea. So right now major League Baseball's going right MLB?
41:34
Yeah, okay, so in relation, that's kind of puts it in
41:42
perspective. So so can you do one right now in real time? Yeah?
41:45
Yeah, google Titanic submarine and give us like thirty days take the MLB
41:54
off, Okay, so we can see the comparison between the other it is.
42:00
Okay, remember that, Oh there you go, there you go,
42:16
far more popular. Yeah yeah, So I think I was halfway through the
42:22
week when I even heard about that that because I just I get all my
42:24
news from Daniel, so uh, halfway through the week. I didn't even
42:28
hear anything about it until my kids happened to mention, like did you hear
42:30
about that? And like hear about what? Like that, there's a submarine
42:32
that's going down, like submarine what and for I'm thinking of like a USS,
42:37
you know whatever type I'm thinking of a major submarine not some tin can
42:42
with a bunch of billionaires in it, each paying two hundred thousand dollars to
42:44
die, like just not the USS cardboard box. Yeah exactly. I mean,
42:50
you know, in all honesty, it's sad. Okay, guys died.
42:52
They were just trying to go and explore and have some fun um.
42:58
But also like they signed up for it, knew the risks like you can't
43:02
go that deep and not and nobody, I'm sure nobody had the conversation with
43:07
them of oh, it's perfectly fine, just hamy a quarter million dollars.
43:10
We'll be back up in a day. It'd be It'll be cool, no
43:12
no worries, no risks, perfectly safe, no harm. I'm sure that
43:15
wasn't part of the conversation. I'm sure the CEO of that subcompany where he's
43:22
just like safety, waste of money and time, breaking rules. I'm gonna
43:25
be remember, he says, I'm gonna be remembered as the guy who broke
43:29
rules to get stuff done. Yeah, you broke some rules. Remember jail.
43:32
He's going to jail. He's dead, he's dead. He was on
43:36
that true, that's true, that's right. He was on the ship.
43:37
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, you gotta give him that.
43:40
He literally went down with the ship, went down with the ship. Yeah,
43:44
like a real captain wood. Yeah, it's wild. Wow. Meanwhile,
43:49
there's a ship that had like seven hundred recuvgs that um sank and nobody
43:54
cared about that. Apparently there was no international outcriding will help them. Where
44:00
was that? Um? I believe somewhere in Europe if I remember right,
44:07
But yeah, happened around the same time. Nobody cared about that. Billionaires
44:12
in a tube go down. That's what we save. That's right. It
44:15
was piloted by an Xbox controller, PlayStation two still whatever? Yeah, yeah,
44:21
yeah, yeah, So well should we get to feedback? Yeah?
44:30
All right, hey hey hey, Bronson's right. It was in Grease.
44:44
My bad, Thank you Bronson. It was increased. Okay, so that
44:50
got canceled too, Grease pink ladies. That's right, darn, I was
44:55
just about to watch that. Whatever. Yeah. Um, let's see,
45:02
I'm gonna go back and find the all right, I'm gonna change this because
45:06
I got a bunch of stuff in there. Here it is I should have
45:12
two. Well that's weird. What are you mumbling about? Yeah? I
45:19
should have two voicemails here, one from Tim and another one that came in
45:21
here just a few days ago. Um, okay, I'm trying to pull
45:30
it up and find in the email. All right, okay, say they
45:32
say in radio that dead airs. I know I neverst think you could have
45:37
it. Just much give us, give us a lot, And here it
45:39
is here it is start whistling or something. Good morning Trek fans. Hope
45:46
you're well. It's Timmy here. It's been a while. Um down south
45:51
coast of England. It's a beautiful day here. Windows are down in the
45:54
van. I'm off to look at a integrated washing machine today where there is
46:00
no motor action. So I shall be sorting that out in about half an
46:05
hour. But I wanted to say I really enjoyed your last show with the
46:07
Star Trek Quiz. I giggled and chuckled at three fifty nine nine one one,
46:17
or as I was going ninety one one, and I really enjoyed it
46:22
the way well he's not technically, he's not wrong almost for every question.
46:29
So I really enjoyed it. And look, if you need anybody from this
46:32
side of the Atlantic, then give us a call, because I'd love to
46:37
join in at any point. Obviously, no pressure, but if not,
46:42
I'll just chuckle at you guys, messing about great times, enjoyed the show
46:47
and strangingly world coming up soon. Do you know, I'm not really that
46:52
excited it's been It's all right, I like answer mount, but he's not
47:00
missing anything. It's that kind of thing because I've been rewatching Next Generation and
47:06
a bit of Voyage and dsnine. We should proper star Trek. WHOA.
47:12
All right, guys, I didn't mean it like nights. I'm driving with
47:19
my knees. What I got the phone to my ear. We do not
47:25
condone that, and I'm sure I will speak with you soon at some point.
47:30
I care you. Bye bye. So he's got he's working on his
47:35
trucker stand because he's got his arm out the window and occurred it occurred to
47:39
me that he's across the pond. So his trucker stand is the opposite of
47:45
my trucker stand. YEA, we left arm. M hmm, that is
47:50
correct. No, it's my left arm would be his right arm, and
47:54
we have aw whatever. I don't know why this one came. This one
48:02
came in weird. I'm not sure if this is going to play right this
48:05
this came in on a wrong email. I don't know. The following is
48:10
a pac led review. The views and opinions expressed by Strong Beer do not
48:16
necessarily represent those of Paramount Plus or the trek Cast podcast and then now star
48:28
Trick Strange. New World Season two, Episode two, The Measure of a
48:34
Man, Part two a pac led review, boring court show. Thanks for
48:46
listening to a pac led review. That's about right, you know, I
48:53
will say reaction overall online as people did like this episode overall, really overall
49:00
yeah, okay, especially compared to the to the episode one. Well they're
49:05
wrong. Well, I'm just saying overall the people liked it. That's funny
49:09
Chad telling people they're wrong yet just that was rich. It must be they're
49:15
right. I don't know. I'm not sure how that really works. We've
49:23
we've got a We've got l Woods here joining us too. There is turning
49:31
it law. Yeah, I'm legally guys, so you gave. I'm gonna
49:38
bring in Habeas corpus in here, so legal term I know, I act.
49:52
Yes, this episode I agree with the pack lad to review. It
49:55
was very very slow pacing, needed be storyline and I don't think Nurse Chapel
50:02
said one word. She doesn't have to. That's fine. Well, it's
50:08
gonna get paid. She has to speak like so many lines and they get
50:13
paid. Let me tell you something, man, Nurse Chapel could do whatever
50:19
she wants. Yeah, I know she's the hot one. So but this,
50:27
this this episode was just the pacing was oh man, it's the snail's
50:31
pace. I had a hard time. I stayed up the way I am
50:36
to watch this, and then I was like at the end, I was
50:38
like, oh my god, you should. I should go to sleep in
50:44
the morning. It's not Star Trek hard. So next week, I'm I
50:51
don't know, Am I gonna stay up late next week? You will early
50:54
in the morning? You will? You will fix you will. Yeah,
51:00
I gotta see that strange world. So hopefully i'll see something strange. I
51:06
mean, technically they did give us a strange new world this week. Pike.
51:10
You know, Pike had his uh his COVID mask and uh, well,
51:19
if you notice when they're sitting at the tables and everything, they're all
51:22
almost six feet apart. They're all spread out really far. But even when
51:27
he's talking to his girlfriend in the like ten forward or wherever it is in
51:31
the ship. She's like so far away at the table. It means they
51:37
did shoot quite a while ago. Yeah, it's still it's still a thing.
51:42
You watch, uh you watch news news shows, and the anchors are
51:45
still sitting you know, further apart than they did five years ago. Yeah,
51:50
because each other. Yeah, then they never went back to normal.
51:53
Yeah, the rest of the world has forgotten. But yeah, you go
52:00
to a baseball game, football or whatever, and it's like nothing's changed.
52:04
So I was passing the Walgreens the other day and I looked on the marquee
52:07
and it said COVID nineteen booster shots, and I was just like, is
52:12
that still a thing? Yeah, he talks about it anymore. Yeah,
52:17
let's say, yeah, some people get up and some people don't. You
52:22
know, it's like the flu shot, you know. Yeah yeah yeah.
52:27
But this episode, slow, slow, slow, I wish In my notes,
52:31
I wrote, man, this show is boring, and at the end
52:39
and then all the legal jargon, it's like, well, we know she's
52:43
gonna win, And what kind of made me mad at the end is well,
52:46
not mad. But reading the comments online, people were comparing the show
52:52
saying it's better than measured than a man. Absolutely, no way not.
52:58
Yeah. I read several posts saying that so this episode is from what I
53:02
saw that was very minority opinion. But if you'd see quite a bit of
53:07
it's as good as measure man, yes, or it's best legal absolutely not,
53:15
absolutely not. Those must be Discovery fans leaving comments. I think so
53:22
I think or boy about with pink hair. So how do you feel about
53:30
Prodigy going away? Well, I'm sad, but I can see it.
53:35
I think. Really, what I think paramounts to do is do like old
53:38
Star Trek did, is syndicate the shows and maybe shop them around. I
53:45
mean that's what they're gonna do with with Prodigy, shop them around. Because
53:50
this streaming model that there's too many streaming services. Everybody has a subscription to
53:54
something. Even YouTube channels have like a subscription like you know, yeah they
53:59
have you know, ad Patreon and all this other stuff, and everything adds
54:04
up and we're you know, the economy is not the greatest right now,
54:08
and you know when inflation hits, people start cutting things, and they start
54:15
cutting streaming services and understandable it down. Yeah, yeah, because I'm thinking
54:22
Netflix right now because it's like well, Star Trek's not on there, so
54:27
yeah, yeah, I mean do you watch Disney, so we've got um,
54:35
you got Star Wars Secret Secret Invasion starting there and everything else. There's
54:38
a lot of stuff going on Disney. So when does that start? It
54:42
just did? Yeah when was the first episode? Like yesterday? Really whatever?
54:50
Yeah, I'm gonna go watch that. There's actually a lot of stuff
54:53
on Apple TV right now too, which I'm watching, like almost every new
54:57
thing they put out, I watch and it's interesting, it's fun. Like
55:00
Ilo, right, that's one right now with Rebecca Ferguson is great. It's
55:02
fantastic. I've been watching The Bear season two. It's good. Is it
55:08
better than the first or comparable? It's different. It's very different, not
55:15
in a bad way, it's just completely different. Are they still arguing with
55:19
each other and yelling? Yeah? Yeah, still all that stuff, but
55:22
it's just different arguments. Show is I don't even know what that show is.
55:28
It's cool. But that's the prequel the Cocaine Bear. Yeah, that's
55:31
right, this is how we get the cocaine introduced. Yeah, and then
55:42
season three will be Marijuana Bear because that's the gateway. Yeah, it'll be
55:49
all be in San Francisco. So all right, we still got Hipster Spock
55:53
waiting in the wings, so we sho oh boy. Yeah, okay,
55:58
hopefully next week this show picks up. Thanks guys for letting me on here.
56:01
I'm hoping thanks for coming on. Yeah, the next few episodes.
56:06
You know, let's let's be hopeful. It's not over. You know,
56:10
don't back the truck up. It's it's still going. You know, we
56:15
got eight more episodes. So yeah, no, I'm still excited for the
56:19
show. Just to eight more episodes. Let's let's do it. Thanks a
56:22
lot, see later, Ellwoods, all right, see all, thank you.
56:29
All right, so we got hipster Spot. Let's bring him on.
56:32
Let's go hi he gets going to the hipster Spot. I'm gonna issue a
56:36
challenge. Can you not mention woke at all? Well? I can actually
56:47
all right enough, have two uh two things to bring up. Okay,
56:57
yeah, one thing. Um, it's nothing to do with this episode,
57:00
just just something that I've been thinking for a very long time and um kind
57:07
of thinking. Okay, Um, for the rest of the H Alpha and
57:12
Beta quadron, right now, Earth is basically the backwaters, right um,
57:16
like some third world country that nobody's ever heard of. Basically like these Amazonian
57:22
tribe right now, right and then, But how the hell did um humans
57:30
end up running the show with it after like a hundred something years of um
57:37
first contact. That's just how good Archer was. Yeah, we're just we're
57:43
awesome for humans, I mean humans or the ultimate diplomats to get everywhere to
57:50
work together. Yeah. Yeah, we got the wrong or the Vulcans and
57:54
the Andrians and the Telerides to all work together, and that's why we kind
58:00
of became the leaders. The federation has always been, I mean even Jane
58:06
Ronberry said this back in the day. The federation is the United States.
58:09
The clans are the are the Soviet Union, and the and the Romulans or
58:15
the Chinese or whatever. No, no, So if if you look at
58:21
that analogy, I mean, the United States is a young nation in the
58:24
history of the world, and they are essentially the leaders of the free world.
58:30
So I guess it's it kind of it kind of goes with that after
58:36
World War three, humans got their stuff together. Yeah, yeah, that's
58:39
true. I can't wait. I can't wait. Yeah, I hope that
58:45
there's no World War three and get their ship together. Like, sorry,
58:50
did I curse? That's okay, because I'm gonna I'm gonna curse. I'm
58:54
gonna curse. In response to that, you could ship in one hand and
58:58
wish in the other and guess which one is gonna fill up? First?
59:02
That's true and second second thing. Okay, that's that's a pretty valid issue
59:08
like or argument. Like, um, the humans basically got everybody together,
59:15
and uh, and since they were the ones who connected everybody, they said,
59:20
okay, yeah, we're we're just gonna be in charge from now on,
59:23
right, Well, because we were the only ones people would listen to
59:27
everyone, Okay, because didn't. And I don't think they're in charge per
59:32
se. I mean the you know, the Starfleet headquarters is on Earth is
59:38
in San Francisco. But we've seen over the years, we've seen uh,
59:43
you know, the Federation president, and it's not always a human being.
59:45
It's you know, some aliens. We don't even know who it is,
59:51
right, like yes, nine, it was some other some eight alien dude,
59:55
yea yeah yeah. In Star Trek six it was Kurtwoods us ms uh
1:00:01
keep calling everybody dumb ass. Yeah, the great hair, facial hair,
1:00:08
the white yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, um. My second thing
1:00:16
is that, Okay, I know that Paramount's um not making a lot of
1:00:22
money these days because um uh streaming not being so good and all that stuff,
1:00:30
and they have to save a lot of money. But then couldn't they
1:00:34
just expand to I mean a lot of other UM markets, Like why don't
1:00:40
they make a push in Asia for example? I mean I knew the answer
1:00:45
to this, um oh, because a lot of their their catalog has been
1:00:53
UM distributed out to like Amazon or Disney Plus or whatever in the those foreign
1:01:00
markets, and so they can't use their own materials because they're under deals do
1:01:07
not distribute them in those markets. They have to wait until those deals run
1:01:09
out and have enough of the catalog to then go to those markets and have
1:01:15
it. That's why that And depending on how those deals are written, I
1:01:22
mean, they may have automatic extension clauses where they have first right of refusal.
1:01:29
It's I mean, it's similar to the you know, Marvel made this
1:01:31
deal with Sony twenty five years ago, and as long as Sony pumps out
1:01:37
a Spider Man movie every I think it's like four years or something like that,
1:01:43
they get they get to keep those rights and basically what that means is
1:01:46
unless Disney makes a new deal with Sony by buying out that contract, they
1:01:52
will never ever, ever ever have Spider Man Alton themselves ever again. And
1:01:57
then each country has like weird rules too, Like I know they were talking
1:02:00
about this in France, you can't put a movie that was just recently in
1:02:07
theaters onto your streaming service. Like in France, it has to be like
1:02:09
a year and a half since it was in theaters before you can put it
1:02:14
on your streaming So that's France trying to that's France trying to protect the theater
1:02:20
business. Correct, Yes, yeah, yeah, So it's all local laws
1:02:24
and different things. It's not just as easy as flipping on the switch and
1:02:29
let's go. Yeah. I mean, like, okay, that that makes
1:02:35
a lot of sense. But then I'm thinking, like, Okay, if
1:02:38
we really wanted to like preach this in Roddenberry like philosophy and what not the
1:02:45
rest of the world, so we get a situation that's very similar to what
1:02:52
is actually happening in Star Trek, then um, it would be good to
1:02:58
like get everybody else in the world to like sort of sign on to this
1:03:04
stuff. But I guess, you know, entertainment is in money making thing,
1:03:09
right, I mean, that's why it's a show business, right,
1:03:12
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's what made Discovery profitable is they were
1:03:20
selling it to Amazon and Netflix and so yeah, you may not have had
1:03:23
the numbers. We don't know because they don't release streaming numbers. That that's
1:03:29
one of the things the writers strike is fighting about right now, is they
1:03:32
want numbers. They want to know how successful their shows are or not.
1:03:37
So which very interesting. Yeah, as much as I um think, okay,
1:03:45
yeah, they the studios could just do everything on GPT, but then
1:03:51
I can't see it from the writer's point of view where the writers really no
1:03:57
can really connect with the audience and the human way basically, and so there
1:04:02
you always need some human writer to to come up with things. But then
1:04:08
you can always do some quality check on GPD or whatever, and so yeah,
1:04:17
I can see it from the writer's point of view, and yeah,
1:04:21
they after seeing all that stuff, I can recognize that they do get screwed
1:04:29
on some of the things that the streaming um does. Like okay, if
1:04:35
you get if something gets streams some x amount of times across x amount of
1:04:42
screams, shouldn't the writers get a cut up at as well or whatever.
1:04:46
Right, So chet GBT is not good enough to create new things. It
1:04:53
only it's like you ask it, draw me a picture of a horse,
1:04:58
and what it'll do is make a collage and not draw the picture. It
1:05:02
can't create. It has to use what has already been made to then create
1:05:08
predictive algorithms to then approximate something. So have you ever used chat GPT.
1:05:14
It doesn't draw pictures. No, but I'm giving a metaphor for how it
1:05:17
works. Okay, yeah, so for it too, Like if you type
1:05:24
into it, give me a Star Trek episode, it'll give you an approximation
1:05:29
because it has a history of Star Trek episodes to go. But if you
1:05:32
went to and said, create me a new series, it might because there's
1:05:38
histories. But it's not going to be well thought out. It's not going
1:05:41
to be at you know, as well put together as actual people going through
1:05:46
it. And the more you use this, the pool that it pulls from
1:05:50
it will be more going to be is going to be more AI created.
1:05:55
I'm contract to my version of chat GPT right now, and we're going to
1:06:00
come up with a script because the way you're wording this, Daniel is incorrect.
1:06:06
So that's twice chat selling people that're wrong. I know, just the
1:06:14
way it is. Okay, So chat GPT when it first came out in
1:06:17
December, was pulling from a block of data from about three year period of
1:06:23
anything I could grab, anything can get a hold of off of the Internet.
1:06:26
It wasn't at that point able to pull anything live from the Internet as
1:06:30
of like two months ago, two and a half, a month and a
1:06:32
half ago. It's all of that. So it's everything for the past three
1:06:35
years that they could scrape and put together to build these AI tools as well
1:06:40
as it's pulling live from from the Internet now as well. So it's totally
1:06:45
different than what you just described. M barred is horrible, by the way.
1:06:51
So let's do this, um, and you write an outline of a
1:07:00
script for a Art Trek episode containing and this is just me typing it up,
1:07:12
containing Spock and Captain Kirk. All right, we're just gonna thank Spok
1:07:19
at Captain Kirk. Main plotline is that the captain is stuck on a planet.
1:07:30
Right, But already you're framing is wrong because what characters are you going
1:07:36
to create? Because you're already using existing characters that somebody else created, not
1:07:43
chat GPT. Yeah, I'm just giving names, so let's change it.
1:07:45
Then how about that so containing um original taining a doctor. But that that's
1:07:54
all we give a name containing a doctor. This is this is my point
1:07:56
though, Daniel, this is what you're missing, containing a doctor and cap
1:08:00
Then Captain Land Dombardo okay, and Vincent Laguardi again, b there you go.
1:08:12
Act one, opening, the starship uss O Ryan, under the command
1:08:15
of Land Dombardo, receives a distress signal from then unknown planet and the Delta
1:08:18
Quadrant two. The crew investigates and discovers a mysterious energy anomaly surrounding the planet,
1:08:24
making it impossible to beam anyone off or communicate with the ship. Three.
1:08:29
Captain Dombardo decides to leading away team, including the ship's doctor, to
1:08:31
investigate the situation of the planet's surface. For as they transport down, the
1:08:35
energy anomaly destabilizes, trapping Captain Dombardo and the away team on the planet.
1:08:43
That's Act one. Act two, Captain Dombardo and the doctor find themselves stranded
1:08:46
in an unfamiliar and desolate landscape, cut off from the crew and the ship
1:08:50
one. They realized that the energy anomaly was initially designed to trap them on
1:08:54
the planet, raising questions about the planet's origins and its purpose. Two,
1:08:58
while searching for a way to escape, if they encourage indigenous alien life forms
1:09:01
peaceful beings who are also trapped on the planet, the encounter I mean,
1:09:06
and then the three the doctor end with her medical expertise, attempts to communicate
1:09:11
and establish a mutual understanding with the alien beings. Act three. This goes
1:09:15
on Act four, Act five. I mean, right, but I want
1:09:18
to watch this episode, yeah, exactly, and I get off this planet
1:09:23
exactly. The point here is is this is an excellent outline. This is
1:09:27
an excellent framing tool to then be able to use it and create more in
1:09:30
depth whatever you want to use. Right, Is it good because you,
1:09:32
as a human being, had to name the character. It's pulling from other
1:09:35
scripts to create an outline and a story structure. Does it sound better than
1:09:40
the episode we just watched already? But what I'm saying is it's not independent.
1:09:46
You can just use chap GPT and it's it's not a script, it's
1:09:51
not a scriline. I just said, it's an outline. It's an outline,
1:09:54
and I know. And here's the thing. The outline for the show,
1:09:58
the outline for the show that he just watched, says, uh,
1:10:03
courtroom drama to decide whether Una remains in Starfleet or goes to jail, And
1:10:10
some person has to put in all of the dialogue and all of the legal
1:10:15
jargon, and maybe they'll do a good job, and maybe they won't.
1:10:20
And I'll have three pages of notes on it. So you can't just it
1:10:27
can't write a whole script. That's what I'm doing. No, and I'm
1:10:30
not I'm not arguing that it can write the entire thing for you. I'm
1:10:32
telling you that it could write you an entire outline. Though. And when
1:10:35
you say, well, it has to pull from existing stuff, what is
1:10:39
it pull done from? What is it pulling from? It's pulling from the
1:10:42
existing Star Trek bible, what we know about Star Trek. I guess my
1:10:46
point here is is if somebody would have done that right there, what I
1:10:49
just did for every episode of Discovery, maybe two thirds of those episodes wouldn't
1:10:54
have sucked. I mean maybe, but but we don't know. And it's
1:11:00
just a tool. Guys. Yeah, okay, Well you're making it sound
1:11:03
like, let's replace the writers with this thing. No, no, no,
1:11:05
I think the writers, the writers need to use this. This is
1:11:10
a tool the writers should use because like I like, just instance, that
1:11:14
one episode that it just spit out that well, that outline would have been
1:11:16
infinitely better than the episode we just watched. That's the point I'm getting it.
1:11:21
Okay, all right, said he visits Harvey Dent in the Hostile Dark
1:11:28
Knight High. All right. So I don't think the writers are going to
1:11:34
use this, No no, And if they do use it, I don't
1:11:38
think they're going to admit, do you think one of the show will oh
1:11:43
yeah, probably, oh yeah probably yeah yeah, all right, but Prodigy
1:11:50
going Away, I've never really watched them, maybe like fifteen minutes of it
1:11:57
maximum, and so I'm not that bothered about it. But I mean I
1:12:02
guess, like I think, Dan, you said your kids we're watching it,
1:12:10
right and no my son my son lost interest? Yeah, okay,
1:12:24
so that you watched it. So I mean, if you want to really
1:12:28
get honest feedback about, like, um with would they miss it? Um,
1:12:34
you might ask them because they would give you a more um useful reaction
1:12:42
to that. But yeah, I'm curious how this is going to impact their
1:12:45
whole Starfleet Academy show. It might reach a younger audience. It might,
1:12:56
It might. I mean yeah, because you know they have a budget problem
1:13:00
right now, um, and they got to choose their projects carefully, and
1:13:08
they want to choose the projects that's gonna have the most um like chances of
1:13:15
succeeding. And person from a personal um point of view or opinion, Um,
1:13:21
this premises of Start Lead Academy isn't really that interesting and it might turn
1:13:30
some people off, um, which you know they were they're trying to disney
1:13:35
by the thing and that I think, yeah, I think they should go
1:13:43
with Legacy because Legacy has a way, way more of a you know,
1:13:49
um demand at this point then Start Lead Academy. So go with Legacy.
1:13:56
And you know Legacy is a winner right now. So how long do you
1:14:00
think it'll be before Starfleet Academy puts the Cadets on a ship and sends them
1:14:08
out in space and escially, it just it just becomes, you know,
1:14:14
another Star Trek show. Here's the Google Trends difference between Star Trek Legacy and
1:14:18
Star Trek Starfleet Academy. Legacy is in the red, which is the complete
1:14:23
flat line just about and Legacy is just all over the map, just excited
1:14:30
um academies the red and Legacies the blue? Right, yeah, Legacy was
1:14:40
the red or was it the blue? Yeah? Jonathan Martinez says, can
1:14:46
we can we get GPT to outline a trek Cast episode showing out Jad told
1:14:51
people they were wrong? Yes, all right, anything else? I want
1:15:02
to bring up a history spot? Well, thank you for a kind of
1:15:08
um humoring me about my um intellectual um curiosities. Yeah, no problem,
1:15:15
always for having you on. Okay, thanks, thanks forever, Thanks,
1:15:20
and keep up the good work. And hopefully episode three is gonna be like
1:15:26
really good. Yeah, hopefully could it get worse? Oh, can always
1:15:31
get on wood, knock on wood, could always could always get worse?
1:15:34
Yeah, yeah, anything Michael Burnham crossover. Oh lord, yeah, I'm
1:15:46
good. I think all right, I'm good. Oh and by the way,
1:15:49
we were we because Dan loves these uh these little mentions here we jumped
1:15:54
up and ranking the number thirty nine in Germany over the last week. All
1:15:58
right, nice yep. So I don't know if maybe the trek Cast dot
1:16:03
d E had some episodes there released and nobody could find it and they came
1:16:06
to cars. I don't know. Yeah, maybe that happens. It happens,
1:16:12
so but not all good. Oh we did have a I think we
1:16:15
didn't get it last week either. Eric would bought us a coffee on the
1:16:17
coffee account. Thank you, Eric. I gotta find out if he's coming
1:16:24
to Vegas. I know he had. He had asked, uh, you
1:16:28
know who who was definitely going because he was considering it. So let us
1:16:31
know, Eric, let us know. Should be fun. It should be
1:16:35
a lot of fun. Yea. And Vegas is telling me of all these
1:16:40
places we need to go visit. So yeah, like what we found a
1:16:44
gaming bar that's pretty cool, that's got like a fun cover and NonStop gaming.
1:16:49
Um, there's all sorts of different like restaurants that are local restaurants that
1:16:56
he knows. Apparently there is also local discount So yeah, we got to
1:17:00
go to that place that David goes for his fish the basic basically fish and
1:17:04
chips. Okay, David Ivy goes too. It's just south on the south
1:17:09
side of the airport. It's good. It's really good you guys to dive
1:17:12
bark on a type atmosphere. Fun cool, all right, so awesome,
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