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259: Graphic Novels to Movies · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Leah Thompson.
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  Speaker 2: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 4: Man, you come right out of a comic book.
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  Speaker 5: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Yoko.
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  Speaker 7: And yeah, we've got lots of new people this week,
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  Speaker 7: so I will go through the rundown here. From our end,
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  Speaker 7: we have Josh, who we've been talking for a while now.
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  Speaker 7: This is the first time we've gotten a chance to
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  Speaker 7: pin you down for one. But I thought for this one,
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  Speaker 7: we'd bring in some artists. So as you know, Yoko
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  Speaker 7: is an artist, but Josh is also. So I guess,
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  Speaker 7: say hello.
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  Speaker 8: Hello, how's it going?
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  Speaker 7: You've been doing art for quite a while now, so
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  Speaker 7: you've got a good handle on that end of it.
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  Speaker 7: And also, from that conversation we had at your studio
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  Speaker 7: for like four hours about movies, you're pretty schooled on movies, too.
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  Speaker 7: So I think, yeah, you'll be just fine. And then
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  Speaker 7: we have Cameron. Hello. He claims at least one movie
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  Speaker 7: that he's seen, so he's going to go in-depth on
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  Speaker 7: that one movie.
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  Speaker 2: He's like me. I haven't actually seen any movies. I
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  Speaker 2: just lie to you.
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  Speaker 7: You're hit and miss. you're hardcore in this movie and
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  Speaker 7: like titanic what is that i'm just like now.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay make up plots too remember oh you do yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And words and lots of other random stuff but so
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  Speaker 7: that that is our uh our end of the deal
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  Speaker 7: but we've got many other people here we are coming
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  Speaker 7: to you live via digital recording from the destination and
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  Speaker 7: uh we've got your crew so i guess uh brian
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  Speaker 7: you you own this place uh i guess give people
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  Speaker 7: the rundown of who you are and introduce your crew
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  Speaker 7: and where we are as well.
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  Speaker 4: My name is Brian Barrow, and I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 4: just recapping, but I own the destination. We are located
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  Speaker 4: in the Best Buy Shopping Center in St.
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  Speaker 8: Matthews.
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  Speaker 4: It's 5031 Shelbyville Road.
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  Speaker 7: Right behind these crabs.
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  Speaker 4: Right behind these crabs. Thank you. I had a spiel
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  Speaker 4: that I just kind of went off on. But we're
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  Speaker 4: right across from the Baseball Diamond. and on Tin Pin Lane.
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  Speaker 4: And then I'm here with my two employees. I've got
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  Speaker 4: Eric Gravely with me.
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
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  Speaker 4: And Evan Pack.
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  Speaker 9: Hi.
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  Speaker 4: We're a comic book store. Evan's real excited to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Comic book store is beautiful. You guys should come in
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  Speaker 2: and buy everything.
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  Speaker 7: It is a pretty impressive place you've got here.
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  Speaker 4: Now, see, they're being paid to say these things, and
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  Speaker 4: they're not saying them.
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  Speaker 1: Am I getting paid by the word?
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  Speaker 10: Destinations.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not making anything. Feel free to do some ads.
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  Speaker 7: We'll be glad to run some ads for you.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think your topic tonight, I'm just going to
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  Speaker 4: say we sell every single time we talk about a trade.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 7: That was my thinking. I was just like, we're going
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  Speaker 7: to tie in that anyway, so I figure you guys
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  Speaker 7: should have at least the comic end of it covered
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  Speaker 7: and we'll come at it from the movie end and
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  Speaker 7: we'll meet in the middle and battle or whatever we
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  Speaker 7: need to do.
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  Speaker 4: I think we have more of the movie end covered
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  Speaker 4: than the comic end. I can tell you that I
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  Speaker 4: think Eric might have the comic end covered.
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  Speaker 11: I don't watch a lot of movies, but I do
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  Speaker 11: read a lot of comics.
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  Speaker 4: Me and Evan are much more movie related in the
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  Speaker 4: pop culture stream of.
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  Speaker 7: Things that's true you guys kind of have a little
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  Speaker 7: of everything oh it's got a.
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  Speaker 4: Good comic book store pop culture oasis yeah that's really what.
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  Speaker 11: You might call it a destination.
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  Speaker 7: No no i wouldn't call it that god no that's
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  Speaker 7: too on the nose so that we usually do some
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  Speaker 7: sort of geek activity of whatever one of us has
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  Speaker 7: watched or something for the week but i thought this
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  Speaker 7: week because we're sitting in a somewhat comic store. I
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  Speaker 7: thought I'd throw it out there. Is there anything comic
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  Speaker 7: related that you have read? Maybe you're the man here.
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  Speaker 7: That is a good title recently or a couple of titles.
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  Speaker 11: Recently, I mean, Image just put out Black Science a
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  Speaker 11: couple months ago and it has only released two issues
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  Speaker 11: and they've both been very, very good.
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  Speaker 2: Genre?
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  Speaker 4: Really hard sci-fi. Did it go for the go-to one there?
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  Speaker 4: I thought you were going to go.
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  Speaker 11: That's because I just haven't read the most recent issue,
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  Speaker 11: and the other ones are kind of older.
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  Speaker 4: I was going with something a little more recent. Okay.
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  Speaker 11: But Sheltered is also a great comic. If anyone is
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  Speaker 11: interested in an excellent comic book, speaking of trades, they
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  Speaker 11: just released.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's put out by Image.
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  Speaker 8: Kind of independent, I guess.
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  Speaker 11: But yeah, they just put out their first trade, so
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  Speaker 11: you can get caught up.
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  Speaker 4: It's really good.
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  Speaker 7: Very cool. All right.
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  Speaker 4: I also read a comic before.
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  Speaker 7: You can't. You just like the pictures.
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  Speaker 4: They're very nice. Okay, which one did you read? My
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  Speaker 4: go-to is Old Man Logan. I like to make sure
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  Speaker 4: that everybody has read that. It's an amazing trade. It's
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  Speaker 4: based on Wolverine and all the villains take over and
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  Speaker 4: team up. It's really it. It's really good, though.
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  Speaker 7: It is.
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  Speaker 4: It's my go-to. Evan, what's your go-to? Also Old Man Hulk.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always Infinity Gauntlet, but that's going to be made.
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  Speaker 1: That's Avengers 3, basically.
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  Speaker 4: Just take it old school. Take it way back.
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  Speaker 2: I reread The Sandman for the fifth time.
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  Speaker 11: I haven't... I'm reading it for the first time because
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  Speaker 11: I'm finally caving in, and I'm really enjoying it.
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  Speaker 2: It's my favorite American graphic novel series. I read it
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  Speaker 2: for the first time. I'm 30 now. I was 15,
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  Speaker 2: and I read it periodically. This is my favorite. I
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  Speaker 2: read it for the fifth time, and I was like, God,
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  Speaker 2: I forgot how good this is. Now I have a
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  Speaker 2: grasp on Shakespeare.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And like high art and literature now at this age.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, I appreciate it even more than
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  Speaker 2: I did when I was like a junior.
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  Speaker 4: So you're not getting it at all, right? No, right now, no.
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  Speaker 7: We're in a few years. We're really good at them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: That's something I've noticed in doing this over the years,
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  Speaker 7: how it works with movies too, that I'll go back
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  Speaker 7: and revisit a movie that I saw 15 years ago.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm like, I'm not, and not only sometimes they
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  Speaker 7: kind of suck, And you're like, oh, I used to
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  Speaker 7: like this. This is kind of bad. But also like
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  Speaker 7: there's other ones that I'll realize I'm also coming from
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  Speaker 7: a different place now. And you start to like notice
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  Speaker 7: things that you had no idea what it was before.
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  Speaker 7: So it's kind of different when you go back and revisit,
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  Speaker 7: I guess, any artistic property. It becomes sort of a
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  Speaker 7: different thing the more you go through in your life.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there's so many movies that stand the test of time, though.
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  Speaker 7: And so many that don't. I know which one you're
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  Speaker 7: going for.
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  Speaker 4: I can think of one. If everybody has.
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  Speaker 7: Seen Back to the Future.
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  Speaker 4: I love those movies. Probably the all-time best movies ever.
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  Speaker 7: They are.
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  Speaker 4: I love.
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  Speaker 2: I want to just be Marty McFly.
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  Speaker 7: I was trying for a while.
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  Speaker 4: At this table, Eric just recently watched it. Just recently.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it good?
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  Speaker 4: I really enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 2: I love the second one.
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  Speaker 3: It was really good.
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  Speaker 2: The freaking pizza, that tiny pizza he puts in the oven.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I like.
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  Speaker 7: High grade level four.
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  Speaker 8: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God. And Crispin Glover's in that movie.
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  Speaker 7: No, he's not in the second one. He's not in
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  Speaker 7: the second one.
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  Speaker 2: He's not in the second one. Isn't he in the
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  Speaker 2: video or something? No.
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  Speaker 1: I know they replaced him because he's batshit crazy, but
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  Speaker 1: it was an actor that looked very much.
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  Speaker 4: Is he really?
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  Speaker 7: Yes, yes. I mean, I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 1: Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 2: No, he was in it. They fired him.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, he was in it. And they just used like
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  Speaker 4: But he wasn't. He was like, he started wrecking.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, no, he's in Willard.
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  Speaker 2: I love Crispin Glover so, so much. Like, I will
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  Speaker 2: defend him.
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  Speaker 7: I ran into him and spoke to him briefly last year.
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  Speaker 12: Mr.
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  Speaker 7: Farr? He's a special character.
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  Speaker 4: Johnny Clown Clown.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, my. He did his.
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  Speaker 7: Present and not his full presentation because he travels around
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  Speaker 7: with his films, which are very weird.
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  Speaker 2: I know I was going to see it in Lexington.
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  Speaker 7: And yeah, that's that's where we were. And we and
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  Speaker 7: we he did his thing. He was there for Harry
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  Speaker 7: and Stanton Fest. So he did his talk on working
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  Speaker 7: with Harry Dean over the years. And so it was
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  Speaker 7: supposed to be focused on that. But he ended up
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  Speaker 7: kind of telling all of his stories. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: he told. he was pretty like that's the thing i've
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  Speaker 7: heard he's like super crazy and like don't don't bring
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  Speaker 7: up back to the future he'll flip out he doesn't
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  Speaker 7: want to talk about that kind of mainstream stuff he
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  Speaker 7: wants to talk about his weird obscure he talked about
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  Speaker 7: everything like he had no like he was super weird
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  Speaker 7: like one-on-one like i think he has a problem with
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  Speaker 7: press and that's because press has screwed him over in
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  Speaker 7: the years past but like because so like he didn't
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  Speaker 7: really i could tell even just doing our little promo
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  Speaker 7: thing i was talking to him and like he seemed
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  Speaker 7: kind of weirded out and wanted to escape but once
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  Speaker 7: he gets up there on stage and is doing his
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  Speaker 7: presentation like He's so at home, and he loves dealing
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  Speaker 7: with the audience, and he'll take any question. They ask
• 9:48
  Speaker 7: him back to the future. He laid out a 15-minute
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  Speaker 7: story about how the studio screwed him over. He was
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  Speaker 7: going to come back and do the second one, and
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  Speaker 7: they like screwed him over financially and like lied to
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  Speaker 7: him about stuff and like he said never mind and
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  Speaker 7: then they worked him in character wise and brought in
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  Speaker 7: that other weird actor and like he he wasn't pleased
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  Speaker 7: with that but again he wasn't crazy like he very
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  Speaker 7: calmly told that story uh there was another thing i
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  Speaker 7: think he he was like don't bring this up and
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  Speaker 7: like He addressed that, too. Like, everything I thought he
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  Speaker 7: was going to be super weird about and flip out, like,
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  Speaker 7: he didn't have any problems. Like, he was, as, like,
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  Speaker 7: a presentation on stage, he's awesome. Like, I would say
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  Speaker 7: go see him if he comes to your town. Again, one-on-one,
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  Speaker 7: he was a peculiar guy. Like, I did not deal
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  Speaker 7: with him for very long. Yeah, he seemed very, very awkward,
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  Speaker 7: which I guess is not a shock for anybody who's
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  Speaker 7: seen Chris Penguin.
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  Speaker 1: It's like doing an experimental art that.
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  Speaker 8: He's not even aware of.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So many levels of his artwork and photography and he
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  Speaker 7: has a book full of it and he does his films.
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  Speaker 7: And that's the thing. He's totally committed to it all.
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  Speaker 7: I don't feel like it's a put on. He is
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  Speaker 7: truly invested in his artwork and it's all very real
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  Speaker 7: to him. It is real. But a lot of people
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  Speaker 7: will put on that weirdness level and I don't think
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  Speaker 7: he does that. I think he's very genuine. He's just
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  Speaker 7: kind of a weird guy but he's totally invested in
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  Speaker 7: his artwork and like it's not a scam it's not
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  Speaker 7: like him pretending to be yeah so he's genuine genuinely
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  Speaker 7: sort of crazy he is a little bit crazy but
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  Speaker 7: he manages it well.
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  Speaker 9: Let's put it that way he's eccentric ah well that's
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  Speaker 9: what they say people who've listened to I'm eccentric people
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  Speaker 9: who've listened to the show heard the story that I
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  Speaker 9: was in shock about because Lucy you've met Lucy.
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  Speaker 7: Yoko um She set up that whole thing. She runs
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  Speaker 7: the Hating Stanton Fest. Oh, cool. The deal was she
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  Speaker 7: had to get him a gig somewhere else in the neighborhood,
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  Speaker 7: in this part of the country anyway, and then he
• 11:44
  Speaker 7: would do that with her. So she got him one
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  Speaker 7: in like, I don't remember where it was, but it's
• 11:50
  Speaker 7: basically a four-hour drive from there to Lexington. She had
• 11:54
  Speaker 7: to pick him up and drive with him in the
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  Speaker 7: car for four hours.
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  Speaker 2: That's not jealous. I am way jealous.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know. That kind of weirded me out. She
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  Speaker 7: told me that before it happened. I was just like, Oh, God.
• 12:05
  Speaker 7: I was like, I don't know what to do with
• 12:07
  Speaker 7: that information.
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  Speaker 2: I would have done that for her. I wish I
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  Speaker 2: would have known. I would have taken that upon myself.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe we can bring him back. We'll see what we
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  Speaker 7: can do. I'd like to do a Movie Meltdown-sponsored Crispin
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  Speaker 7: Glover event. We'll see what we can do.
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  Speaker 4: We should give Michael J. Fox a show.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know how they would do well together at
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  Speaker 7: this point. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 4: Christopher Lloyd.
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  Speaker 7: Everybody else seems like they get along. He seems like
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  Speaker 7: he's the outcast of the crew, so I'm not sure
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  Speaker 7: how that would go with him.
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: I have a crush on Leah Thompson.
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  Speaker 7: Join the club.
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  Speaker 4: How the duck.
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  Speaker 7: I was excited.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Lord.
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  Speaker 7: I barely got through that. I can't believe I stood
• 12:43
  Speaker 7: there and talked to her.
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  Speaker 1: Also a comic book movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another one. That movie's horrifying.
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  Speaker 13: What's that one movie that was remade a few times
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  Speaker 13: and Christopher McGovern was in?
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  Speaker 8: I think the second version.
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  Speaker 7: The Rats.
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  Speaker 5: The Rats.
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  Speaker 3: Ben Willard.
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  Speaker 8: No, no, no, no. They actually did a This American
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  Speaker 8: Life episode on it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Lucy was talking about that. You know what I'm
• 12:59
  Speaker 7: talking about? It's got Sean Penn.
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  Speaker 13: Sean Penn plays one. And it's this guy that's a,
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  Speaker 13: he does like a drag show.
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  Speaker 8: At the end.
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  Speaker 13: And he lives out, it's like out in Wyoming or Montana.
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  Speaker 7: It's really fascinating.
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  Speaker 8: It's worth seeing. The first one's just this anonymous guy.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's weird. It's like they did a movie and
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  Speaker 7: then they do like a redone version.
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  Speaker 8: Of their own movie. And then there's like a really
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  Speaker 8: fleshed out.
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  Speaker 7: Version of it later. And then there's like a third one.
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  Speaker 7: It's a trilogy in its own weird way. But Sean
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  Speaker 7: Penn hates it and won't acknowledge it and will not
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  Speaker 7: let it get released. And like they're going back.
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  Speaker 1: How does this happen? How do you get a part
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  Speaker 1: of the movie and like, ah, I'm done with it.
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  Speaker 8: I'm going to squash it.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Sean Penn. When you're Sean Penn, you can do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: The Beaver Trilogy.
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  Speaker 14: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: That's what it is. Huh.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 7: The director's Trent Harris, and he's like, it's his baby,
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  Speaker 7: and he wants people. So it's one of those things
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  Speaker 7: he's like unofficially like, here's where you can get it, guys.
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  Speaker 7: Go watch it. Pass it on to your friends. Like,
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  Speaker 7: he knows he'll never officially get it released. He's not
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  Speaker 7: going to make money off of it because Sean Penn
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  Speaker 7: will not let it happen. But he's put it out
• 14:02
  Speaker 7: there in the unofficial ways and is just like, here, guys,
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  Speaker 7: watch my movie because I think it's awesome.
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  Speaker 5: So it's, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 7: The Beaver Trilogy.
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  Speaker 11: I might have to watch it.
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  Speaker 13: That would be an interesting movie to actually do a
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  Speaker 13: comic of, you know, go the other route or the
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  Speaker 13: other direction.
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  Speaker 8: Has it ever had support?
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  Speaker 7: Adaptation. Yeah, there's some adaptations. I take that back.
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  Speaker 2: I want to do that, let's see, for every Robin
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  Speaker 2: Williams movie ever.
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: I would love to read Patch Adams.
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  Speaker 3: No, you wouldn't.
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  Speaker 7: It comes with your own free clown. No, you wouldn't. Oh, Lord.
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  Speaker 2: What am I saying? Jeff Goldblum movie ever. you and
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  Speaker 2: i did a whole thing about that last time she.
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  Speaker 7: Did a series of artwork based on just.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff he's my favorite.
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  Speaker 7: You and a lot of other people because they sold
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  Speaker 7: so yeah i was.
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  Speaker 2: I was like well i didn't know this was right
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  Speaker 2: on people love.
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  Speaker 7: I'm a happy, normal guy.
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  Speaker 7: The Grind in this segment we discuss a specific topic
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  Speaker 7: or question related to movies and this week's grind topic
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  Speaker 7: comes from me i guess i was kind of throwing
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  Speaker 7: it out there like i said before it's like we're
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  Speaker 7: gonna be here so it'd be you know i wanted
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  Speaker 7: to do sort of a comic tie-in but at the
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: same time i feel like there's so many like superhero
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  Speaker 7: things out there and everybody already talks about superhero movies
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: so much. So I was like, well, let's kind of
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: go the other route. I mean, we can address some
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: superhero kind of movies that have been made. There's plenty
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: of them, but I was just like, what if we
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: just do the like graphic novel adaptation kind of thing?
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: So that's, that's where we're going. It is graphic novels
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: turned into movies and, um, we're just going to kind
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: of throw it out there and hit a lot of
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: different topics.
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  Speaker 9: Question.
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  Speaker 2: Why hasn't, why the last man been a movie yet?
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  Speaker 4: Supposedly they keep working on it.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Question two, why hasn't The Sandman been a movie yet?
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  Speaker 7: That one I think they know it's... I've heard that
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: for years. The deck is so stacked against that one.
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: It's got such a fan base that I think they
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: feel like they're just going to get killed.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: It was pulled off the shelves for a while.
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: I think they just feel like it's not going to
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: live up to anything anybody's built it up to over
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  Speaker 7: the years.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Question three, is the Preacher series real? Is that really
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: going to happen?
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: Didn't they do No, maybe that was just the bad priest.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: They've been saying it. They're going to do a preacher.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: I think I did hear something.
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: I've heard, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard that, I think, since I read the comic.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Isn't that the answer to everything with comic books? It's happening.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: It's still working on it. It's in the works. It's
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: in the works.
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: There's some fan fiction out there.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Now with the internet culture where everybody can say anything.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, I could get on tonight and tell you
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: there's a preacher coming out.
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: And then she'll look at that and post like, hey,
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: this guy said there's one coming out. Then it builds
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: and then it happens.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Let's do that.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I just think that would be so good.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Just post it.
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: That actually works the wrong way for us. We'll always
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: bring up like... wouldn't it be horrible if they did
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: a remake of this movie and then like two weeks
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: later we'll read like here's the news and they're gonna.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Remake it that's what I said I said wouldn't it
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: be horrible if Michael Bay.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Got more of my children and then I was like
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: well don't you worry and then he got Ninja Turtles
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the next day and I was like oh no.
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: Have you not heard that he got Voltron and.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: He got Voltron I said I watch TV.
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: Oh, well. You're missing us a lot.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: I'm a total virgin to mass media.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: And I like keeping it that way.
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: We're easing you in with podcasts. I know. Yeah, you
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: have to.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: He's working on He-Man. Working on trying to get He-Man.
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: Dolph Lundgren, no. They're bringing back Dolph Lundgren. He's roided
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: out even more.
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  Speaker 4: If he's on the show, I'd like to come on
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: just a couple times.
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  Speaker 7: We'll see what we can do. I just want to
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: get one of those.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Machines that he had and see how hard he hit
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: in Rocky 4.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we could throw it out there, you know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: if you want to.
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: Maybe we'll bring him in here and we can do
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: like an arm wrestling challenge.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: I'll just punch him. That man's a genius, though.
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: If you win, you can punch him. Whoever wins gets
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: to punch the other one. Good luck.
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: Maybe you'd get.
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: More donations if you gave out prizes like that.
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: I'd be all for that. If you guys want to
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: get that going, you just get me in touch with
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: Dolph Lundgren.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about punching Michael Bay.
• 23:17
  Speaker 17: No, I want to punch Michael Bay.
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: Everybody will line up to punch me.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. I'd like to get a.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: I'll put whatever amount of money you want me to
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: put towards it if I can punch Michael Bay.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: Oh, Kickstarter.
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: Oh, no.
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: Kickstarter.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Can we Kickstarter that?
• 23:34
  Speaker 11: Someone mugged Michael Bay shooting Transformers 4 over like 13
• 23:37
  Speaker 11: grand or something. Like it was two brothers or something
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: in Hong Kong mugged him over 13 grand.
• 23:44
  Speaker 12: Nice.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Why is he carrying 13 grand?
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: That's an excellent question. It was Hong Kong dollars.
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: That's his like going to get some coffee money. Yeah, exactly.
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: I got to hit the Starbucks here.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: He buys a Starbucks.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: You'd think someone else would be carrying the money.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: Alright, do we have a specific title we want to
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: start with? Or where would you like to go? I
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: tried to compile at least some that we could hit
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: along the way.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: I hate to go off. You said movie, but what
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: about television show? Because you've got The Walking Dead. It's
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: a huge series that's been.
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, we've definitely brought up The Walking Dead on
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: this show many a time. So it's not far away
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: from it. Get in the house, Carl. I'm Rick Shane!
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: I'm Shane Rick!
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: But that's one... I don't know. Everybody has their theories
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: on that. Initially, I was okay with that because it is.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, no, I didn't have any theories. I was just
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: bringing up that it's a trade that... Put it on
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: the list.
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: Well, in the beginning, I was on board because it
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: is very cinematic. And when you had Darabont involved, it
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: was almost.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I think we're already talking about it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: That pilot is.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: We were talking about it.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: We've talked about it before. Shawshank Redemption. It's a continuing thing. So,
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I felt like That one did feel
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: like you're watching a movie.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: There should be a Shawshank Redemption comic book. Is there
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: a Shawshank Redemption comic book?
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, I was just pointing out that they're connected.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, no, I'm saying there should be a Shawshank Redemption
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: comic book.
• 25:01
  Speaker 17: Shawshank comic book?
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: I don't know if I want to see some of
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: the stuff that goes on.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: A novel that was a movie. Or a short story
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: that was a movie.
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: Oh, do the whole precious thing.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Why isn't precious a comic book?
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: Oh, God.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe I should illustrate that.
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: Graphic novelist.
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: I'm surprised you don't have a graphic novelist.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: We'll flip what you're doing and we'll say these should
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: be the movies that should be.
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: I think that's a different episode. That's a spin-off episode.
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: We'll come back.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: I can always talk about Watchmen and FIFA. Those are
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: two like.
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: Those are on here.
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: Do we want to start with Watchmen? Yeah.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: I'm not a big fan. I think Watchmen's a little overrated,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: but that is my.
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: She gets bullied a lot.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: I'll get yelled at by, I'm sure, a huge flood
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: of nerds that will come in and say that I'm overrated.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I enjoyed the Watchmen movie for what it was.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry. Are we talking about the comic or
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the movie? Both. I thought they're both overrated. Really? I
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: felt that same way about V for Vendetta.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: I didn't read or see it until the hype was
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: already there, so... A lot of times with me, people
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: come to me and they tell me, you have to
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: see this is the best thing ever. So I go
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: in with this, you know, this haze. Yeah, and this
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: preconceived notion. And I think that's what happened because if
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I had to objectively step back, I did like the
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: beginning of Watchmen. I thought that was well-simulated, you know.
• 26:23
  Speaker 13: It was translated well. And even the change with the
• 26:26
  Speaker 13: major ending.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:28
  Speaker 13: I even was okay with that because that would have
• 26:29
  Speaker 13: been a hard thing to do. capture cinematically i read
• 26:32
  Speaker 13: it back in college yeah you know it was actually
• 26:34
  Speaker 13: a comic class that was treated as it was actually
• 26:36
  Speaker 13: in our history department so it was like reading it
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: as literature yeah and it's i think it does get
• 26:43
  Speaker 13: kind of a lion's share of the attention but it
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: is a i think i love alan moore i think.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: He's a it just seems to be the go-to and
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: i like alan moore it just seems to be It
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: seems to be that transition where people like comic book
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: nerds will always use that as, well, we have Watchmen.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: That's regarded as great literature. And it's like, yeah, I
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: get that. But at the same time, I think there's
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: a lot better stuff out there in the comic book
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: world that's not being regarded as great literature because it
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: doesn't have that stigma behind it. Because it says the Avengers.
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: Are on it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: And God forbid the Avengers be great literature. But the
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: stigma behind Watchmen... Yeah, there are some better storylines out there,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: I guess, that I would like to be regarded.
• 27:23
  Speaker 13: I haven't read X-Men, but I've heard that's a good
• 27:25
  Speaker 13: one as far as having a really solid storyline.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's plenty of good X-Men.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Well, they ruin that, though.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: As far as somebody, I kind of detest superhero comics
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: in general. I liked Invincible.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: That's a Kirkman.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Robert Kirkman. But The Watchmen was the only
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: superhero comic I ever liked. I was like, yes. Because
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I read it like, I read it way before a movie.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: And it totally does. It has that lion's share of
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: attention as far as an independent graphic novel. And it
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: is seen as literature. And it is a shame that
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of graphic novels that aren't seen that way. But, man,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: it's a good fucking book.
• 28:04
  Speaker 13: It's a really good book. It humanizes them.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: A lot, too.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Beautiful art.
• 28:07
  Speaker 15: Oh, yeah.
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: Rorschach is one of my favorite characters.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: And that was the other thing that happens that I
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: see a lot of times in the industry that you get.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: It's what you just said, that there's a lot of
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: good independent out there and everything. And you get these
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: great writers that do things for Marvel, and then all
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: of a sudden they're a joke. Because they're doing something
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: for Marvel.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Like Michael J. Straczynski.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: But they're still doing good things. It's just this... The
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: stigma where if you're not on an image line, you're
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: a hack.
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: It's like that with everything, though. Yeah. Music, you know,
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: God forbid you sign to a label. Yeah, exactly. And
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: actually make a living, you know. Exactly. You're a sellout.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. That's bullshit. And that makes me so mad
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: because there's so many good stories coming out of Marvel
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: and DC. DC, recently, I haven't read a lot, but
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: I've not been too impressed with You're Loving Forever Evil, though.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: I like it. Which we sell here at the destination.
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: You're a good book.
• 28:56
  Speaker 10: Uh-huh.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: There have been Marvel and DC storylines that have been exceptional.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: The Killing Joke was amazing.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good example. Court of Owls is really good. Nightfall. Nightfall, yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of good DC ones that deal with
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: a lot of things.
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: I think that's true even in the film world, though.
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: Especially in these last 15 years or more, when the
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: indie thing took off, and now it's so cool to
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: make your own little indie movie, and tons of people
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: do it now. But, like, when you cross over, when
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: you're not making your, like, you know, I made this
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: for $ 1, 000, when you actually start doing pretty well, people
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: start almost... Again, it's usually other smaller filmmakers that haven't
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: gotten signed, that haven't gotten some sort of studio deal,
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: even if it's a sub-studio.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: It's... I don't like the whole thing where it's almost.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Like people mock you when you like something. I used
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: to get mocked because you mentioned Titanic. You're not mainstream.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: I like Titanic a lot. I used to get mocked
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: because I used to say it's good acting in Titanic.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. I thought it was good. It's an
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: entertaining movie. Oh, that's mainstream. You like it because everybody
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: else likes it. I'm like, no, see, I have opinions
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: and I can still have them.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I liked it when the boat sank.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: And not at the boat. Blindly follows.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and people like pizza and cheeseburgers, too.
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: I agree.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, people need to shut up about the
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: pretentious nature.
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: Which one?
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: It needs to be squashed. Well, the one you're saying.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Like, people giving you shit.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: About, like, your main line.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, Titanic?
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Or the pretentiousness.
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: Yes. Yeah.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: About people liking what's mainstream. It's like, man, like, don't
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: you like chicken?
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Like, chicken and pizza and, like, ice cream? That's, like,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: totally mainstream stuff.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: And people... I don't know. The independent people, they don't
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: just grow up... They don't just one day say, I'm
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: going to do movies. They're inspired by something.
• 30:39
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: 90% of the time, they're inspired by.
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: It's usually rated as the Lost Ark.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Or Bad to the Future. Or Star Wars.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: If you're doing good at anything, you're going to achieve
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: some certain level of success. Also, exposure.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: So it's like, congratulations on doing what you set out
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: to do, and that's the goal of the industry.
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: And now we all hate you.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Which is bullshit.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: Because there's studios involved.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: People get mad because they can't do it or they
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: didn't think of it at first. That's usually what it is.
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: Well, independent doesn't necessarily mean good. I'd like independent. Oh, no, no, no.
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: Because there's a reason why you're probably not signed. But
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: it got that brand. Like, the late 90s, it became
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: so cool to be independent that, like, even the big
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: studios would make these little offshoot brands of, like, their
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: subsections of this huge, massive studio. But they were making, quote, unquote,
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: independent movies.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: What's that one that's out with Scarlett Johansson as the
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: voice of.
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: An AI right now?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Spike Jonze.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. That's being touted as an independent film. I'm like, really?
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: Spike Jonze, the award-winning... That's a.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Lot of money for an independent movie.
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: Spike Jonze doesn't make cheap movies anymore. He used to
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: be able to, but again, he's achieved a level of success.
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: It would be a step backwards for him to make
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: a million-dollar movie.
• 31:44
  Speaker 14: Exactly.
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: So, yeah, that's kind of... I've felt bullshit all along.
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: I'm just like, you... And it's like I said, in everything,
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: you can't like a band that's popular because it's mainstream.
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: So you get called out for both versions.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Well, this brings me full circle to the Watchmen. A
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: lot of the people that told me to watch Watchmen
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: or told me to read Watchmen were very the pretentious
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: crowd that came at me with, I can't believe you
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: read X-Men.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: X-Men's a joke.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: You need to read this. And that's, I guess, when
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: my blinders went on with that, it's almost like they've
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: taken something from me because I feel like that could
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: have been good. But I read it with such a,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: you know, notion of condescending in my ear. And I
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: was like, you know, why do I feel stupid because
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: I haven't read this and I like X-Men. Like, you know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: it was hard to.
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: Why don't you read a coloring book?
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: It was hard to.
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: Well, people project, you know.
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: They do.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: And like if you came into my comic book store
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: and you were reading X-Men, I'd be like, hey. you
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: should read this because you need to know your roots. Like,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: read this, too. Like, that's what you should do. Like,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: read this Eisner book. Read this. Like, it's not to
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: be like, hey, dummy. You like this crappy, like, lowbrow stuff.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: It's more like you need to know where it comes from.
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: It should be sherry, you know? It shouldn't be like
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: talking down to people.
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: Dang it, I'm so sick of that kind of stuff.
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: It's like the black keys get a lot of.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: I can't. It's my story, but I say it all
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: the time, and I forget what was said to me.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: I like Marvel Zombies. Oh, that it's pedantic. No, not pedantic. No,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: that's my word.
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: Pedestrian. Pedestrian.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I went into a comic book store that I'm
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: not going to, you know.
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: No plug for that.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to plug them. No publicity. But I
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: went into a comic book store and I liked Marvel Zombies.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: I like zombies. I like Marvel. You bridge them. It's
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: got Kirkman right in it.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: It's an entertaining story.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. I thought they did a lot of
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: good for Magneto in it. And I went in there
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: asking if there was any more and I was called
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: pedestrian for reading that comic and then asked to leave.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: I was trying to spend money. You were asked to leave.
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: I was trying to sell it to you to open
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: it back with you.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: We were trying to spend money. And, you know, the
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: response that I got from, you know, the other employees
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: there were, oh, that guy's just a jerk. And I'm like, well,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: how does a jerk work at a customer service industry?
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: You know, the comic book store is just like any
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: other retail.
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah. And you have to know your crowd. So you
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: can't just screw over.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: You can't make fun of them.
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: Well, you can make fun of them after they leave.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: Because we did that at the video store. Not to
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: the face. But you don't openly just like. treat them
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: like shit like that's ridiculous with that said we love
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: all of our customers we love all of our customers
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: there's this.
• 34:17
  Speaker 11: Whole thing about if I like it and you don't
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: like it you're stupid because you're not threatening me by
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: not liking it yeah that's ridiculous there's plenty of shit
• 34:25
  Speaker 11: to read and watch and everything so.
• 34:27
  Speaker 13: It's another extension of territorialism really I mean keep that
• 34:32
  Speaker 13: small amount of.
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: Pound on your chest yeah To finish out The Watchmen,
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: because we've strayed off. But in my thing, I remember
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: when we were doing the show when it came out.
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: We actually did a whole episode on it, and we
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: all kind of loved it at the time. And it's funny.
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: I went back in the last year or so. I
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: got the Blu-ray of it, the new one that has
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: all the extra stuff on it. And I was like, oh,
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: this will be cool. In re-watching it, I didn't like
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: it as much. And I think a lot of it
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: was just because it wasn't all that fun. You know?
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: Maybe because I've seen... Other movies that are more fun now. Like,
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: I know it's supposed to be dark. It's a very
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: dark subject matter. And I like, like, the Rorschach part
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: of it is the best part of it. And he's
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: the most dark, disturbed character. But he's... But I think
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: it's almost more the Zack Snyder end of it. Like,
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: he's so weighed down in his own weird little... world
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: that he creates in his filmmaking he does he has
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: a very specific bubble and like i felt like that
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: was almost what was killing it like i still feel
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: like it's a great story but in watching the movie
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: again i feel like it's so dark and so depressing
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: and it by the end of it i'm just like
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: i just didn't have fun like and i remembered it
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: being kind of more fun that first time but again
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: maybe it's because i've seen like the avengers now and
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: i'm like have you read the book it's no and
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: i still yeah i haven't read the book i was
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: taking it just from the filmmaking aspect and i'm just
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: like as a film it's just it feels more weighed
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: down now by the zach snyder oh you haven't read
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: a lot of time i still have a lot it's
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: a very existential i mean it's a very brooding book
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: anyway i mean then he has that that pirate story
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: that ties in yeah and i heard they actually did
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: a they did an animated i.
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: Haven't seen it yet but yeah oh oh okay.
• 36:11
  Speaker 13: You know that's an interesting little parallel thing going on
• 36:13
  Speaker 13: because he's really in the detail.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: No i was just gonna he can buy it here
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: if he wants oh.
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah it's available i need to get a copy i
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: haven't had it i sell.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: The book here i might be sold out actually i
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: apologize i apologize let me order that i could order that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Perfect yeah were we talking about trades in particular are
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: comic books that See, and that's the other thing I
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: wanted to go into, because I feel like that's part
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: of the issue, too, is then it became almost in
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: that pretentious bullshit part.
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: It's just like, well, I don't read comics. I read
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: graphic novels. And you guys probably deal with that more
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: than anybody. I do that, but I don't say that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that was a thing.
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: A lot of graphic novels are serialized. Well, they're just comics.
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: But they tried to turn it into something more high literature,
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: high art. Yeah, with the graphic novel elite.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I see what you're saying, graphic novels instead of trades,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: because for me, I think the collection of the comic
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: books that's a single story.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, they're described as the same thing for my distributors.
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: But for me, I just, for that, I normally read
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: trades more than single books just because I'm lazy and
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I want to hear the whole story. It's like, ah,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I got the whole story. But going back to the
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: X-Men thing, I was excited when the Phoenix, you know,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the Dark Phoenix saga.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I remember flipping my shit when I saw the Phoenix
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: come up in the lake.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: I love that scene.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: And I remember, like, it was me and, like, two
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: other people. And the rest of the theater.
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: Was just like, what's going on?
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: It's like, must be a nerd thing.
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: It's like, you're watching an X-Men movie.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: But the thing was that I was like, I immediately
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: had this moment of excitement and then despair. Because I
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: was like, they're not going to do that, right? There's
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: no way there's enough time. It's a big story. That's
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the one in the third one, isn't it?
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: That's the third one. They screwed up.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: That's what makes me concerned about Days of Future Past.
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: I think it's going to be good.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, I.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: The less I knew about it at first, I was
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: excited about it, and then I saw the trailer, and
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: now I'm worried that they're going to mess up, because
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: they're meshing the two worlds too soon with the first
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: class crowd, and then what's already been existing.
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: Did you like first class?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're ever going to 100% please every
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: single nerd. I liked it better than the first X-Men.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: So we're comparing the first X-Men... you know, it's a.
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: More solid movie. It's not like, again, it took him
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: that first movie to kind of get his footing. And like,
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: that's why I feel like X2 is better.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: As a movie, it's a better story. It's just a tighter,
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: more interesting story. The first one, again, you got to
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: do the origin thing. Like they always do for some
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: of the characters, but, I feel like two is a
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: better film. I would put two up there with First Class.
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: It's probably better than the first one.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I'll say First Class is the best X-Men movie I've seen.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: That's out of four. There's things I didn't like about it,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: but I think some things paid homage to where it
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: You got to be fucking dead up.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: You know, I didn't like that.
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: I didn't, man.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I didn't like the book. The book bored me. I
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: never say that about, like, it's rare. Like, really rare.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I read a lot. I read a lot of literature
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: and I read a lot of comics. I was.
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: Like, yawn. How did the movie work for you? Because
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: that's one I just revisited this past week for the show.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: It didn't move me enough to be like, I don't know.
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: I was impressed. Again, I'm going just from the movie angle,
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: but I was impressed how, what a grand story it
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: was trying to tell. That it really, it took it,
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: and again, this is when they make minor changes that
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: I think this was almost... more impressive.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember enjoying the movie more than the comic,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: which just never happens.
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: Well, they moved it into this dystopian future, and the
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: original one was supposed to be kind of making this
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: comment on the Thatcher era in the 80s, and they went, well,
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: what if we make the flashback story modern times when
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: they made the film, and then the actual story take
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: place in this dystopian future, and I think that aspect
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: I found way more interesting, and I think... what they
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: do with the politics that are going on in the future, and, like,
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: maybe that stuff is more interesting to me than even
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: the character. Again, the character himself feels like he's cobbled
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: from about four or five other, you know, he's part
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: Phantom of the Opera, he's part Batman, you know, he
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: feels like he's pieced together from all these other heroes
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: from different stories, but that one, I don't know, it
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: had so many issues to work with there, because I'm
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: also watching it in our day and age now, going, well,
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: this is just a story about a terrorist.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: But it's, I mean, terrorist is which side you're on, really.
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, the American Revolution was, we were terrorists, basically.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: The rebels.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: We were rebels, yeah. No, I'm saying an empire.
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: Well, either way, yeah. It's another just, it's a political story.
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: It's like, that's one of those where it's like, it
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: just depends on which side you're on as to whether
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: you're a terrorist or whether you're a rebel or whatever
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: you consider, you know. The good or the bad side
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: is depending on... I was talking Star Wars. Yeah, I know.
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying. Even that one. But then that's...
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: If you want to go into the Star Wars realm
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: of it, not that there's comics beforehand, but that's the
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: same thing. You look at that first run of the
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: real movies... four five and six that you are like
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: the rebels georgia binks was amazing take it back i
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: won't the the i mean the rebels are this like
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: ragtag band of guys fighting and it really does seem
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: like you know they are the good guys and there's
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: no question about it the evil empire and you go
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: back in the prequels and it's like you get so
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: bogged down in the politics of it you're like are
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: they really even the good guys? Like by the end,
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: I'm like, it kind of loops around and it's like, well,
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: they're almost the empire at this, but like you're the
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: government that they started out as becomes the government that
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: they're fighting against later. Like it loops around on its
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: politics midway. Again, I think I've put too much time
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: into my Star Wars, but there you go. Midichlorians. So we,
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: you can write them off right there, but I don't know.
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: I think like, that's one of those things that like,
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: it depends on which side you fall on. And I
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: thought that was interesting in V for Vendetta, that we're
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: seeing it from almost the good side, that supposedly he
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: is this freedom fighter in his mind. He's also a
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: homicidal maniac. He's just killing people because he has vengeance.
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: That's all he's interested in, in half of it. And
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: then he has this big political agenda, too.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: I kind of came to that movie in much the
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: same way as Brian here, because I never read the comic.
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: But I watched the movie, and that for me was
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: like in high school, which was like for me, what,
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: like five years ago, six years ago, was when I
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: watched that movie with whatever. I really liked it, and
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: it kind of hit me at a point in my life,
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: some of y'all were talking about when you got to
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: your first comic book. That was really something kind of
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: early for me, getting into these kind of movies, and
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: what it gave me, interestingly, is kind of that introduction
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: to that British holiday, Guy Fawkes Day, that they celebrate
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: every year.
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: The 5th of November.
• 42:59
  Speaker 8: Remember, remember.
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: Yes, the lyric going on there. But that's a real thing,
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: and I'll see there's a guy that comes by the
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: coffee shop I work at, and he's British, and I said,
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: happy Guy Fawkes day on that day. And you just
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: get this face, like I'm in America and somebody knows
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: what that holiday is.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: In the, uh, Sandman.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: It was weird.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Cause like, as I was reading it, like that part,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: it was November 5th. And I was like, this is
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: so weird. It was like, I think it was in,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: it was the one that I can't think of the
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: woman's name, but she illustrated the entire graphic novel. And
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: it was the one where delirium and, and, uh, Morpheus
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: are trying to find destruction. And I believe it was
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: in that graphic novel.
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: Jill Thompson.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Jill Thompson.
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, she's great.
• 43:41
  Speaker 10: She is.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: She's so dynamic.
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: And she has that really simple, playful.
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: I love it.
• 43:46
  Speaker 13: Yeah, a few of my friends got some personal commissions
• 43:48
  Speaker 13: from her. But Guy Fawkes, I was actually in Scotland
• 43:51
  Speaker 13: traveling years ago. I just happened to be in Scotland
• 43:54
  Speaker 13: for that. And they build these, I mean, higher than Scotland,
• 43:56
  Speaker 13: these huge bonfires. And that's actually how I found out
• 43:58
  Speaker 13: about it.
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: I'd never heard of it.
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah I didn't know something's burning they drink a lot
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: you know it's 4th of July but for them I
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: think I told you Cameron a couple weeks ago when
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: you mentioned it I was like you know the first
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: time I ever heard of Guy Fawkes Day was on
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: the episode of Daria where they have the holidays in
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: the school I was like okay people outside of America
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: that's all we know about it like we really up
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: until that point and up until this movie you're like
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: we probably had no idea what Guy Fawkes Day is
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: because we're set in our ways it's America that's how
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: we are yeah I don't know I thought that was
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: fun Daria. On that note, Ghost World. Oh, that's my favorite.
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: I love Ghost World.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, I have the graphic novel on.
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: I love everything.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I love the movie. I love the style. Those chicks
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: have mad style. Really cool clothes. And she loved the blues.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I love Delta Blues. I kind of just love this
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: woman so much.
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: I love Terry Zweigoff. I think he is such an
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: underrated filmmaker.
• 44:56
  Speaker 8: That was his first feature, right?
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: I mean, he'd done mostly documentary stuff. So he did
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: Crumb before that, which is technically.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: A feature length.
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: Good grief. So good. I love it. Crumb is amazing.
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: To me, it's my favorite documentary ever. It's amazing.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like one of the top. Did you see, gosh,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I can't think of anything today.
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: Louie Louie, I think he did before that. That was
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: like a short documentary.
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: Bad Sando was right after Ghost World, right? I've only
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: seen half that.
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: It was one of those, I thought, again, going back
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: to the, like, moving up in the world and going
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: into the mainstream, like, it was one of those I
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: felt like at the time, like, oh, now he's going
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: to do, like, a pretty mainstream movie. And we went
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: back and did a whole episode on it for Christmas
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: one time, and I was like, he really does it. Like,
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: this is a dark movie, and, like, he does not
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: stray from his normal level of dark, and I can't believe, like,
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: a studio signed on for this. It was John Richard.
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: It was just his last movie. Yeah, no, I don't know.
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: Dirty Mac's gone too. When we watched it, they were
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: both gone. I was just like, that sucks. But yeah,
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: I was like, it's, he's just, he's a dark, weird director,
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: but he's so good at making it work on screen
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: and making it come through. And you can tell, like,
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: that's the thing. I'm watching Ghost World and I'm like,
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: I guess some elements of this were in the comic,
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: but I see so much of the director in that movie.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Steve Buscemi is basically Terry Zweigoff.
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: He loves the blues and he's hardcore about just the
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: old blues. Everything about it seems like I'm just hearing
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: the director talking at this point.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: The movie I felt had a happier ending than the book.
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: It's still pretty grim.
• 46:30
  Speaker 13: It was kind of ambiguous. One friend thought it was
• 46:31
  Speaker 13: actually she... I didn't take it like that, but that
• 46:33
  Speaker 13: she actually had committed suicide. It's the bus just leaving her.
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: It leaves it up to interpretation.
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: It is a ballet line.
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: What was interesting with that comic is he did it
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: in practically all line work. And he did the blue
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: hues because he wanted everything to look like it was
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: in the glow of late night television.
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: Again, he's amazing.
• 46:55
  Speaker 13: He's one of the innovators of that, really. Just that
• 46:57
  Speaker 13: celebrating the banalities of existence. They kind of capture that.
• 47:02
  Speaker 13: Like in the pants that they see about two or
• 47:03
  Speaker 13: three times that are just laying by the bus stop.
• 47:06
  Speaker 13: I don't know if you remember that part. Like, oh,
• 47:08
  Speaker 13: there's the pants again.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: There's just some pants that are laying on the road.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: That's stuff you really do as a teenager.
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: This is right on. It just ties into all this
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: stuff because then watching her sit in the restaurant doodling,
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: I'm like, that's Crumb. Again, you're just drawing back from
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: his last movie. That's what Crumb did his entire life.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: He said he would kill himself if he didn't draw
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: her down.
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: I've never felt that way. It looks exactly like her
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: style is Crumb. To me, that feels like so much
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: of the director piece. Maybe that's what it is. I've
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: said that so many times. No matter how good the
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: initial property is, If you give it to a horrible director,
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: it's not going to come out very well. But you
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: give it to somebody who cares about the property, you're
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: going to get a pretty good movie out of it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: Even if it strays from the source material a little bit,
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: you're still going to come out with a better film.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: It was so good.
• 47:54
  Speaker 13: The thing about Crumb that was really kind of fascinating
• 47:56
  Speaker 13: is how it actually affected his actual life.
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: One brother committed suicide.
• 48:02
  Speaker 13: Partially, I mean, it was kind of in response to
• 48:04
  Speaker 13: all the stuff that they dredged up and... I mean,
• 48:07
  Speaker 13: it was really uncomfortable and tragic to watch because the
• 48:10
  Speaker 13: whole dynamic of how they grew up and everything, and
• 48:12
  Speaker 13: then you see how it plays into his art. I mean,
• 48:15
  Speaker 13: just the way it was done was magnificent, but also
• 48:18
  Speaker 13: you got such a sense of him as an artist
• 48:20
  Speaker 13: from that.
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: And then he ended up moving away too, right?
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he went to France at the end of it,
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: didn't he? I think it was France.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: He's living in France, I think, ever since.
• 48:28
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, that was kind of at the end, right?
• 48:30
  Speaker 13: They were packing up to.
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: Leave and everything.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Have you guys read a lot of Crumb's books?
• 48:34
  Speaker 10: Oh.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: They're so good. They're so good. You should get them.
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: His artwork's amazing.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: And if you want to read them at the library,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: they have them in the library.
• 48:43
  Speaker 13: But he's known for a lot of his food stuff.
• 48:46
  Speaker 13: He's such an astute observer.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Like the blues stories.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: He did all these stories about the folk blues musicians
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: in the Delta. And they were so funny and raunchy
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: and crazy.
• 48:57
  Speaker 8: He's a weird.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Twisty guy.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I can't say enough about how much I love Robert Crumb.
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: He's amazing.
• 49:04
  Speaker 8: And weird and creepy.
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I would totally give him a piggyback ride.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: A piggyback ride.
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: Yes. And he would be all on board with it.
• 49:10
  Speaker 15: Yes.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: He'd have thick thighs.
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: You've got to work on that.
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: I guess.
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: Otherwise, he'd still probably go for it.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, can we talk about Harvey p car now how
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: i'm with him.
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: That was that was on my look i like because
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: i mean i feel like in these last like 20
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: years or so there's been a ton of stuff that's
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: come out that was a graphic novel that you would
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: not expect to get turned into a movie like the
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: superhero stuff i see coming but I like when we're
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: going through stuff like Ghost World and American Splendor.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: I saw the movie. I like the movie a lot.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: I've not ever read anything.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: You'll love them.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Never read anything from them.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: They're so good.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: The movie was great. I'm a big fan of James
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: Gandolfini in my head.
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: Paul Giamatti?
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: Paul Giamatti, thank you. He's the most famous.
• 49:54
  Speaker 10: The Rhino.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: I have a big... He's a very good character actor.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: He gets really in-depth to his... you're watching him and
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: you don't see him. And I like that. Uh, I
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: like him when I, I like it when I watch
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: actors and they kind of transcend the roles that they are.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Harvey like pioneer the auto bio comic. Like it, And
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: now everybody does it like online, especially, but like Harvey
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: pioneered it. And he actually started with Robert Crumb. They
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: met and it was like, I think it was in
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: one of the movies. I tell you about it, but
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: they met.
• 50:24
  Speaker 8: It's an American Splendor.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: They look at it like blues records. And then they, um,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: it was jazz. He was in the jazz. Harvey P
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: car was, and he like would draw these little stick figure.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Cause he can't draw, but he would narrate his life.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: And like, then Robert Crumb would illustrated the first one.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: And they're so good because it's like this really neurotic guy.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: He's like in his 40s and 50s. And he talks
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: about his pension from like the medical clerk office. Like
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: every episode he talks about this. And he talks about
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: his life. Like there was a whole comic where he
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: was pulling out with his car, hit another car, like
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: bumped it. it had a hell ride thinking about what
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: am I going to do? Does somebody see this? Should
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I leave a note? I would call my insurance company.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: My insurance rate's going to go up. And then my
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: pension is only going to be 53%. I'm pretty sure
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: I know exactly how much you're tired with.
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: See, this doesn't seem like something they would green light
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: for a movie.
• 51:15
  Speaker 10: I know!
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: So that's why I think it's awesome that they're making
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: these types of properties.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: But I love Harvey.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: I think Paul Giamatti actually pushed for it.
• 51:23
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.
• 51:25
  Speaker 13: Just from across the room and just like his body
• 51:27
  Speaker 13: language and everything just that.
• 51:29
  Speaker 8: Oh, I know.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: He's so cute.
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: He died.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: He died in 2010.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay. You had that body language down, didn't you? Yeah,
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: he's really slumped. You had the body language down.
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's just that defeated kind of.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: He's defeated.
• 51:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my favorite panel.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: That slump thing that he does.
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: That slump thing.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: That he does.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: He's like laying in a bed.
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: It's okay.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: My favorite panel ever is he's laying in a bed,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: and his head's on the pillow, and he wakes up,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: and all it says is, What do I have to
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: worry about today?
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: That's life for you.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: For an anxious person like I am, he's like my
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: patron saint of anxiety.
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: Well, I was just fascinated with that style of storytelling.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: Like, he's telling his story, but usually, I mean, you're
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: forced to kind of draw it yourself when you're starting
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: from nowhere. You know, I'm sure plenty of people out
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: there have made their own comics, and, like, you're forced
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: to draw it yourself. And he found this loophole of, like, well,
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: I've got this ridiculous story, but I can't draw. So
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: here's kind of what happened. You do it, and then
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: you give it to some of the most talented people working.
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: I thought that was amazing, taking these two totally separate
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: ideas and kind of cramming them together. A lot of
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: comics end up doing that down the line. The more
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: polished ones bring in tons of people to do stuff.
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: But I love that, just taking two halves and kind
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: of cramming it together to make what became his story.
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: We're just having the multiple interpretations, too. I guess, like,
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: fables is like that as well.
• 52:50
  Speaker 13: We're all different artists. But didn't he actually end up
• 52:54
  Speaker 13: illustrating some of his own towards the end?
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: He might have.
• 52:57
  Speaker 8: I can't remember. I think after the movie.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Did he?
• 52:59
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: I think there was some attention on that.
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: I could be wrong.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I know that Robert Crumb would do these, like, graphic
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: novels with his wife, and they would all draw together,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: and his Sophie, his daughter, and they would all do
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: it together. So it was like this. chaos because like
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: three different people drawing the same comic in the same panels.
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah it was good well.
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: I don't know if this kind of jumps out of
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: the comfort zone here but just thinking about having one
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: guy write the story and one guy do the pictures
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: I watched there's a manga and an anime that came
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: out not too long ago I finished Legend of the
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: Overfiend no I was going to say Bakuman no it's
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: called Bakuman and it follows these two kids that are
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: middle schoolers and one of them can animate and one
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: of them can write And they both have had formations
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: to be mangaka, you know, manga artists. And so they
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: work together in middle school and they just go on this,
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: it's like four seasons long on the anime. And so
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: by the end of it, they're like the best in
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: Shonen Jump. And what's really interesting about the series is
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: it lets you see what the manga industry is like,
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: like what you have to go through to get your
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: piece published. And then dealing with editors and producers and
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: all these people that are going to be a part
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: of your process. And at the end of it, I think,
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: Because the manga, the Shonen Jump wanted them to serialize.
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: They wanted them to keep writing and writing and writing
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: and keep going. And they said, well, no, we have
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: a story that ends. And we want to finish it. Like,
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: when we want to finish it.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Not like Yuriko Takahashi.
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: Ranma. So was it based on their actual lives? Or
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: were they just telling the story?
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: I don't... See, I think those were fictional characters.
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: Um, this is the same guys who did Death Note,
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: if y'all are familiar with that one.
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: That's a really long, I feel like that series could
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: have been four graphic novels shorter than it was. It
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: would have been perfect, I feel. They just omitted that.
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: I never read it.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: I watched it.
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: Long is beautiful.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Like just, wow.
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like the penmanship and like the line art. This
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: is gorgeous. Very minimal tone and just all line. High contrast.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: It's like Frank Miller.
• 54:57
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Like that black and white. Very beautiful.
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: Cool. I was going through ones that were just like, again,
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: the ones that don't seem like they would be that
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: kind of property. Like, I saw Road to Perdition. I
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: had no idea that it was a graphic novel. So
• 55:12
  Speaker 7: it seems like something that I was shocked that was one.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I can't remember, but when I was working at a
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: comic book store, it was released, and I read the
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: graphic novel, and I remember it was very fluid, and
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: the lines were very loose, and I was kind of.
• 55:29
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: The style was completely unique. It just didn't look like
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: anything else. It was really rad. And then a few
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: months later, I was like, this movie was coming out.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, that's why it was released.
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 55:44
  Speaker 8: I love what Cronenberg.
• 55:45
  Speaker 13: Well, he's one of my favorite directors anyway, but I
• 55:47
  Speaker 13: like what he did with it. I'll have to read it.
• 55:49
  Speaker 8: I forgot that it was a graphic novel.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just one graphic novel.
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: Just one short book.
• 55:53
  Speaker 11: They changed some stuff from the book to the movie,
• 55:55
  Speaker 11: which the first time I wasn't too keen on, but
• 55:58
  Speaker 11: I like the movie.
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: It was really, it's its own thing.
• 56:01
  Speaker 13: I love that shift halfway through when he takes off
• 56:03
  Speaker 13: to go kill his brother. It's like, it just becomes
• 56:05
  Speaker 13: a Cronenberg movie, like, really.
• 56:06
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: And then he did, what was the follow-up to that?
• 56:11
  Speaker 8: Eastern Promises.
• 56:12
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 56:12
  Speaker 13: He sort of did a sort of straight, a little
• 56:14
  Speaker 13: more straight movie.
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:16
  Speaker 8: That was his second. And Viggo Mortensen.
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: I was going to say, Viggo. Viggo!
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Shout out.
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: Well, then he was in his third, the one recently with.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: I didn't see... No.
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: What was it?
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: I think it was, wasn't it?
• 56:30
  Speaker 8: It's Freud and when they're younger.
• 56:33
  Speaker 7: Based on their weird relationship.
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: Love Triangle or whatever.
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: Huh.
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: Didn't know that.
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a weird director that's sort of... He's changed
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: so much over the years. But he still can kind
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: of go back to that place. You can still feel
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: the weird, creepy stuff like he was doing in the 80s,
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: but It's so polished when he wants it to be,
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: and then if he wants to drag it back down
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: to the weird, creepy, he has no problem doing it.
• 57:00
  Speaker 13: I think Spider is one of his best, and that
• 57:02
  Speaker 13: was that sort of middle ground of... I don't know
• 57:04
  Speaker 13: if any of you guys have seen that.
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: It's a very quiet movie. It was Ralph Fiennes, or
• 57:08
  Speaker 8: however you pronounce his name.
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: I remember when it came out, yeah.
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: Gabriel Byrne. It's a really good cast.
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: It was one of those that flew under the radar. Yeah,
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: it's phenomenal. Nobody knew it came out.
• 57:14
  Speaker 8: I think it's... Yeah.
• 57:15
  Speaker 13: I mean, there's a twist and all that, but it's
• 57:17
  Speaker 13: still just the whole mood is pretty great.
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: A dangerous method.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Oh okay did you say okay because you said in
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: dangerous minds earlier that's the.
• 57:24
  Speaker 7: One that's the michelle that's why i knew i was
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: like no that's not.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Like coolio did that oh she's so coolio.
• 57:30
  Speaker 7: Is that cronenberg you know they hang out i didn't
• 57:33
  Speaker 7: think that's cronenberg at all.
• 57:36
  Speaker 13: Darkman oh is that that was that's actually one of
• 57:39
  Speaker 13: my favorites i love that but was that that was
• 57:41
  Speaker 13: actually a graphic was that actually a graphic novel or
• 57:43
  Speaker 13: was it just was it or was it just for
• 57:45
  Speaker 13: comics because it had a very comic feel.
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah definitely there was some feel i've I think.
• 57:50
  Speaker 13: You and I had talked about that already, about how
• 57:52
  Speaker 13: that's sort of that transitional movie where it kind of
• 57:55
  Speaker 13: got into the Hollywood stuff.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: A little more.
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: Use your magic box. It's listed as co-written by Raimi.
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: I think it's just sort of taking from all those.
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: It says it's like, you know, the Shadow and Batman
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: and all the old properties. I love it. But yeah,
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: I don't think it's based on anything else.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: The Shadow, that was made into a movie.
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: The old Baldwin.
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: Yes. Did we count that one? They never had anything
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: from it. I mean, they were mostly radio, but they
• 58:22
  Speaker 7: did start as a strip, didn't they?
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: Well, no, it was radio, then it was comic, then
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: it was trades, and then it was movie.
• 58:30
  Speaker 13: Well, Dick Trey, I just thought of Dick Trey. That
• 58:32
  Speaker 13: was actually really cool. That was probably one of the early,
• 58:35
  Speaker 13: like how they visually captured it.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: The Phantom.
• 58:39
  Speaker 7: Dustin Hoffman was in it as Mumbles.
• 58:41
  Speaker 8: But just like that Sin City, you know. I think
• 58:43
  Speaker 8: they played the groundwork for.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: A lot of those.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: Sin City's another one. I forgot about that.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Of course, that was.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I think it was going to come out with a sequel.
• 58:49
  Speaker 7: It's coming out.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: Late 80s?
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: I think it was 88. They focused on one or
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: two new characters or something. Yeah, it's supposedly coming out
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: in the next year.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I hope they bring Family Values into it. That was
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: my favorite graphic novel.
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: I've seen a workup of the poster already. Of what?
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: It's definitely the new... They're continuing stories from Sin City.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: They only did the one right yeah and they were
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: like the next one's coming out real soon you.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Know what heard that on the internet it was good enough.
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: I love the movie I thought it was one of
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: those that felt like again it was somebody who kind
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: of got the property and did a really good job
• 59:24
  Speaker 7: of transferring it over granted it was a couple of
• 59:26
  Speaker 7: directors which It's weird. Sometimes that doesn't work. Most times.
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: But it feels like that one seemed like it worked.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: I'm surprised The Dark Knight returns.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: 1989.
• 59:36
  Speaker 13: That's one of the first true graphic novels that I
• 59:39
  Speaker 13: actually read in high school.
• 59:41
  Speaker 8: And Frank Miller did the art for that, right?
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:44
  Speaker 8: His line work is fantastic.
• 59:45
  Speaker 10: Oh, no.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Golly.
• 59:46
  Speaker 13: It's really delicate and almost, yeah, there's some hiccups even
• 59:50
  Speaker 13: that I.
• 59:50
  Speaker 8: Think are really.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: We'll see what people hate it because I think he
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: draws in a really robust and he's not afraid to
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: make people very, very ugly. including the women. And he
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: has a very like brutish way about that.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 8: It's raw, but it's still, I mean, he's trained enough,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 8: I guess.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 10: It's beautiful.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: I love it. I've been sending him for a while.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: It's like, uh, well on that note, cause I feel
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: like since that he worked, you mentioned before we started,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: you wanted to throw the spirit out there. What is
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: your take on the spirit?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Comedy gold. I, I.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: I don't stop watching movies. Like usually if I'm in,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 7: I'm in, I'm going to watch it no matter how
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: bad it is. I got so bored with that.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: It makes me sad because I love Will Eisner so much.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: If you guys read A Contract to God, please read it.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Will you guys make me a promise?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 7: A Contract to God?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Will Eisner was the person that supposedly turned the graphic novel.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: He coined the term.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: He coined the term graphic novel. He did this series.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: They're the Dropsy Avenue dramas. They're about Jewish immigrants and
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: other immigrants that come to New York and it just
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: progresses through time. And some of it, like some of
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: it starts like when New York was founded, like when
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: it was still farmland until like the seven, I think
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: it starts around the seventies, like right on the Vietnam era,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: beautiful inking, like drawing, like just absolutely just gorgeous city.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Like in a dynamic storytelling, this great, Like, just everything
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: you love in a story.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: Like, you guys, please.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Like I was saying, like, you got to go to
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: your roots.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: I'll read it now.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: You got to go to your roots. This is what
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like, if you love comics, you'll love this. Promise.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 7: Seems like you like it a little bit.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 7: I've read it three times. You hyped it up too much. No.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 8: Well, he's really interesting.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 13: And also with that whole graphic novel aspect of the term,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 13: he also regarded the comics as a viable form of
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 13: literature rather than a throwaway.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 8: Because, I mean, even the art was, you know, used
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 8: to be just cut up.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 13: And my friend said there was an intern that just,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 13: at Marvel or DC, I forget, just would, his job
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 13: was to cut up the pages so they could fit
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 13: in the incinerator.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: You know what I mean?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 8: And now there are, you know, thousands and thousands.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 7: That's why there are thousands of dollars.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 13: But also, I do kind of more of the small
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 13: press stuff. My book's more of like a storybook.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: They do.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 8: Kind of in the comic realm, yeah.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about this. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 8: I have a copy of this. I'm going to show
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 8: you my comics, too.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 13: But when I released it, I did the show. I'm
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 13: not trying to plug myself. It's just more of a
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 13: personal story.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 7: It's cool.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 13: I do this little show every now and then called
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 13: SPX in Maryland, DC area, and it's like the small press.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 8: That's where I saw Harvey P.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: Carr, actually, one year.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: I'm so jealous.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 7: But there was this.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 13: Guy from Paris, and he's like, I'm going to buy
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 13: your book, and we were talking. He's like, you know,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 13: this is a really great story, which was a nice compliment,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 13: but he also.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 13: Made the point is like, you know, in France, well,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 13: Belgium is like the mecca for comics. I mean, that's like,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 13: they have the biggest comic where a whole town shuts down.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 8: I forget the town.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 13: And like a coffee shop or record store, whatever it becomes,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 13: or a comic book store becomes like, that's part of,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 13: that's actually how the convention works.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: Hmm.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 13: Instead of one big space, it's like a whole town.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 13: But anyway, he said, you know, we, especially in Europe,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 13: I mean, we, we value comics as like a form
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 13: of literature. And I just realized that made such an impact.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 13: Where we have sort of this roundabout thing in our
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 13: culture of it becomes a movie, then it's like, oh,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 13: then it validates the art form.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: It does, yeah.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 13: Which, I mean, I'm not making a, I don't mean
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 13: to make a set up statement. I mean, it's just
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 13: the book itself is its own merit.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 7: It's always done that, like, even before comics. Like, look
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: at novels. Like, it would become a classic after we
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: made a movie out of it.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: Which is usually really unfair because, I mean, different media
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: has different requirements. There's different things you're going to do
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: depending on how you put it in there. You're going
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 6: to tell a story to fit whatever way.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: You're going to write it. It shouldn't be put together.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 7: They shouldn't be compared to each other.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: I'm in the mindset where I like it. I mean,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: I've always said and I've talked to Evan and Eric
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: both about this before that I like whatever brings more
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: people into the genre better. I'm happy with not only
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: as the owner of a comic book shop, but not monetary-wise,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: but also just happy with it because it's making things
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: I love more mainstream.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: Agreed.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Because when it happens, you get more of it.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: Exactly. You get more of it.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: I've been an anime fan since I was 14 years old.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: And before then, you would search Suncoast.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: West Coast Video. And like blockbuster to try and find
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: one OVA. And it would even, it would be like
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: number 23 in the series.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 8: You'd watch it.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: You would love it because anime was so rare. And
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: then Pokemon happened. And then everything flooded and I was
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: so happy because then I had so much anime. Finally.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: Because it brings it, it, uh, I've, I've had a
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: discussion and debate with a friend of mine that is
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: a big Dr. Who fan. And, uh, he, uh, he's
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: not so keen on the new who stuff because, uh,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: He doesn't really like the audience base. To be fair,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: he enjoys it. He enjoys it. He doesn't like it
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: when people don't go back to the old stuff. Yes,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: but I would be thrilled if people took on Star
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: Trek so I could get another Star Trek show. I'm
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: a huge Star Trek fan, and I want it to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: be picked up in. Sorry, I didn't mean to caress
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: your shoulder there. It's one of those kind of shows.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: I would love for Star Trek to get more. And
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: we had the movies. But it's still not there yet.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: It needs to come back as being a mainstream thing.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 11: Star Trek isn't nearly popular enough.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: Exactly. They oversaturated it.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: Star Trek, I will agree.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 7: They oversaturated the TV market was the problem. When you've
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: got three shows running at once.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: At the same time.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was too much. When they had one and two,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 7: it was okay.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: But at least we had Babylon 5.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: You're telling me Star Wars has it oversaturated?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 9: Oh, it has.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 7: I mean, once you get that big, they just beat
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 7: you over the head with that stuff.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: I would like just some Star Trek stuff.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 7: To me, you have to find the stuff that you're into,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: and you pick and choose. So again, the more stuff
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: is being thrown out there, the more you have to
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: choose from. So that's always been mine with Star Wars.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: And back to the original thing, that's why I like,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: the more we do this because it brings more people
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: into the culture, to the genre. That's why a lot
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: of people, and this might ruffle feathers, but a lot
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: of people despise the Big Bang Theory. And I could
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: say that the writing is not amazing. The humor is
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: just one-line things. I like it, though. The TV show?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: I like it. No, the actual event. i like it
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: because it it brings it brings people into the culture
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: it brings people like moms into the culture and if
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: anything it it helps it helps i i'm imagined by
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: just one situation of one of my customers but uh
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: It helps that shy, nerdy boy that nobody in his
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: family can get along with anything he does. The mom
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: watches Big Bang Theory and can at least understand some
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: of what he's saying. It helps just bridge a divide.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: So that's why it ruffles a lot of people's feathers.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: A lot of my customers hate the show.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: It's horrible.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: It's ruining everything. I don't think it is because it's
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: not– It's not taking your base. It's taking the moms
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: that knew nothing about this, at least are the dads,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: and giving them some sort of reference point.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 7: It's true.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 13: I've seen it enough. My mom actually loves the show.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 13: That's what it is. Yeah, I've actually watched it. But
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 13: they do kind of caricaturize some of the characters.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: Of course, that's the thing.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: I don't feel like it's right. It's like someone that.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: It's like if you owned a coffee shop, you hated
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: Friends because it's like, oh, they just think they can
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: come in.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 7: It's like... Get out of here, you deadbeats.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: It's one of those things.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: I actually work at a coffee shop.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 7: What are your expertise in?
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: Are you like Gunter?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 7: So when Friends was out, I was like, grade.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: School, what?
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: Now I feel old. Well, since it started, I've watched
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 7: the Big Bang Theory get bigger and bigger. And I'm
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 7: just like, from... i didn't love it to begin with
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 7: and i've gotten less impressed with it only because i
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 7: feel like it's not genuine like i feel like it
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 7: is i think it is but i feel like it
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 7: is a.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Very character thing and.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 7: It's well not just their their presentation of these friends
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 7: like it doesn't seem real and their geek references seem
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 7: forced and don't seem genuine but i'm like i don't
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 7: i don't curse it because it's the same thing i'm
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 7: like But people love it. I mean, it's the number
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: one thing on this network. It's making more money than
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: sitcoms have made in years.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: And what that helps with... And I'm fine with that.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 7: Like, they're popular.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: And that's back to what she said. What that helps
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: with is that producers see that's making money. And guess what?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: That means we get more of this type of thing.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: The reason... we're getting Guardians of the Galaxy, the movie,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: is because Avengers made an insane amount of money. We
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: would never be getting these movies rolling out or the
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: genre would continue if... if it wasn't making money. Groot
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: would never be in a movie if the Avengers hadn't
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: done one. Exactly, yeah. There wouldn't be a rocket raccoon
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: running around if there wasn't something else that did well
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: first because that's not the first.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 11: But that being said, I understand the concern when people get, like,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 11: if a lot of, I mean, whatever terminology you want
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 11: to call it, outside people, whatever, people that aren't usually
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 11: into this kind of stuff, is it becomes more mainstream.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 11: You do see things like, okay, well now in the
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 11: comic books, Captain America's costume reflects the movie instead of
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 11: what it used to be.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: And things happen like that.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: Like the Ultimates.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: With all the movie stars. It's the opposite, though.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: It's the... That just becomes branding at that point. We
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 7: need something to be universal so we.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: Can market it.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: You can't argue with that. That's them protecting their investment.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's all a business.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 11: They're out to tell good stories and stuff, but ultimately.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: All of a sudden, Spider-Man likes Mountain Dew a lot. Well,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 7: who doesn't? We're looking for our endorsement, by the way.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: Swing through Taco Bell.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: You have to have a car to go through the drugs.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 10: Three tacos.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: Not if you're Spider-Man. well while we're talking about geeky
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  Speaker 7: characters and uh i i know at some point we're
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 7: supposed to get to scott pilgrim so oh yeah that
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  Speaker 7: one definitely was sort of a game changer in different
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: ways but on the other hand didn't really break through
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 7: like it feels like it worked for the fans didn't
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: make a ton of money didn't make near what they
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 7: i mean they were banking on that being the big
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 7: movie of the year and normal people saw it and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: were like the hell's going on and i and i
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: can see that i i just i just watched it
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: recently and i was like i can see why people
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 7: would totally tune out of that if you weren't a
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 7: fan of comics and video games and like the all
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 7: of the stuff you didn't get.
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  Speaker 18: Why i'm seeing that they're in you know it's a
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 18: beautiful movie though i mean we uh back when i
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 18: worked at best buy for many years that was one
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 18: of the uh blu-ray demos we used to do because
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 18: it's just the uh scene where the um two-guy uh oh.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: The dj thing the dj demo the dj because the
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: sound was amazing and the visuals were just beautiful on
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: blu-ray i mean.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 11: It just it's gonna be interesting to see because it
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 11: was uh edgar wright right yeah yeah that's right he
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 11: was with uh yeah man that'll be uh oh that's
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 11: right he is doing ant-man again that's that's.
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  Speaker 7: One of those that like i feel like he's he
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: hasn't gotten i mean again within his fan base you
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: know they love him and he's great but like he
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: he just doesn't sort of break through because even like
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: the world's end didn't make that much money this year
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: and i'm.
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  Speaker 17: Like well that was a pretty great movie the one
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 17: with the one with the third yeah i don't i
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 17: i love the other two and that one just um see.
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  Speaker 4: I like that one i couldn't get.
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  Speaker 7: I i don't know if i like it more than
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: hot but like i love sean today yeah But, like,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 7: I felt like that one is so... Like, it sets
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 7: up so much stuff that, like, again, it's just good storytelling. Like,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: you don't see in that kind of movie, usually.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you say good storytelling, but it seems so.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: So, like.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: You knew what was going to happen. Like, okay, you
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: got the deadbeat friend. You got the friend that made money.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: You got the friend that's happy with himself in life.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: And then you got the friend that made a mistake
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: and the deadbeat one. It just seemed all like I
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, I've seen this in every friend movie ever.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: Kind of. But I felt like you get to that
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 7: halfway point and you start realizing everything that you think
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 7: about all these people isn't true. It's like you start
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: to see them... Them dealing with real life. Again, you
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: don't see this in those kind of movies.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: We even had the whole girl thing.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: There's a....
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: Girl introduced, happens to be the brother of one, and
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: two of the guys like him. I'm like, okay.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 7: That's pretty standard life, though.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: I was like, let me guess, let me guess. One
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: of them probably slept with their own back when they
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: were teenagers. Again, this is life. It just seemed like
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: a lot was.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 7: There's a little, but again, I think he's almost knowingly
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 7: playing with those conventions. I think he sets that stuff up,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 7: and then you're like, oh, and there's these people with
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 7: their happy lives, and they're making money, and he's married,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 7: and like, Well, no, his marriage is falling apart, and
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 7: he's in debt. And you start to realize, none of
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 7: them have a perfect life. And Simon Pegg just is
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 7: so not dealing with the fact that he's, you know,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 7: all of his problems over the years, he just has
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 7: put it off.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: But everybody has that friend that doesn't move on. Which is, yeah.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 7: Which is fine. Perfectly fine. I may very well be
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 7: that character, but again, I felt like that, they were
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 7: all painted really well, that like, there was, it could
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 7: have been half-assed, and I felt like he at least
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 7: fleshed out the characters enough that made it worth seeing
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 7: for me.
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  Speaker 11: Well, that's what I like about those movies in general,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 11: is that zombie movie, buddy cop, old friends reuniting.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 11: But he takes those, but they're so different from everything
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 11: else in their.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: Respective genres that there's just something special about it.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 12: And they always put sci-fi in it. And they always
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 12: focus on the characters, though. I mean, Shaun of the
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 12: Dead should have just been a dumb zombie movie. There
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 12: are moments in there that are better than most dramas
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 12: out there i'm like that thing with the father yeah
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 12: like god damn like that was a hard scene to
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 12: get through and.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: I can't i can't listen to queen i'm.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 7: Just yeah i'm like there's so many moments that rise
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 7: well above a dumb kind of zombie movie comedy like
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 7: it's it's just i don't know edgar wright just doesn't
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 7: get he hasn't broken through to that point where he's
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 7: getting acceptance even in like the film world he's got
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: the geeks on his side but like Even in the
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: film world, it doesn't seem like he gets the respect that...
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: I mean, he's probably one of the most influential directors
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: in the last 10 years. But, you know, he still
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 7: doesn't get... He's had a good amount of money thrown
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 7: at him, at least. The studios are on board with him, but...
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 7: Most people still don't recognize it.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: When Ant-Man comes out and everybody... I love it when
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: movies come out and everybody realizes that that was their
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: favorite director. A big funny thing. When Thanos was revealed
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: at the end of Avengers, everybody all of a sudden
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: realized Thanos was their favorite character. I love Thanos. I
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: love that one where he did that thing and he's awesome.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 7: I like the point out that Thanos was.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: The value of comics is so monetary-wise... Whenever somebody's announced
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: or hinted at or rumored at, my God, it skyrockets
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: like crazy. I have an age of apocalypse that was...
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: $ 20 to $ 30. Apocalypse is now in the next movie.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: It's now a $ 150 comic. Because everybody all of a sudden,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: that's right, I love that guy. That's one of my
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: favorite characters.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 7: The thing is, you've got to jump on that. Because
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 7: then a few years go by and it's not cool anymore.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 7: It's just called capitalism.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: A good example is Scott Pilgrim. That's what happened with
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: the trades. Oh, gold's hot right now. It's a market.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: You've got to watch it.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 7: Oh, Scott Pilgrim. So, I don't know. What is your
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 7: take on Scott Pilgrim?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, I was going to say that that is literally
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: the movie I wrote in my mind when I was
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: like a teenager.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to do that. And I
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: had some buddies that we used to do films and
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: stuff and I was like, I want to do something
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: where I was trying to explain to him. I couldn't
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: get it across. Like, no, this guy can do anything
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: but it's more in his mind where it's just him
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: doing whatever's funny or in his head at the moment.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: And I watched Scott Pilgrim and I was like, shit.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: They stole my movie.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: No, but it was amazing. I was sitting there watching everything.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: I was just like, okay, that's awesome. That's awesome. That's exactly.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: And it was like, That one is a movie that
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: I really got, you know, because it just spoke to
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: me exactly what I'd grown up with, you know, video
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: games and all that. But, you know, it's one of
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: my favorite movies.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: You know, I don't know, how old is it now?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: Like four years, five years?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: Four.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, three or four.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: Because I bought the comics my freshman year of college.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: And I didn't know about that until the... I didn't
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: know that comics existed. I was one of those things.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: And it's the same thing. You were talking about earlier,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: the movie.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: don't think it's bad. No, no, no. There's a lot
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: of things. I didn't really follow Scott Pilgrim until the movie.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: And then I felt like... It's not a bad thing.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: I just thought it was a humorous thing how when
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: it comes out, it just triggers... It's like the... The
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: domino effect and everything. Scott Pilgrim, by the way, has
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: Captain America in the movie.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, actually, and I was going to.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: And Superman ran around.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, it does have Superman in it.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: See, there are a lot of these random characters in
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 6: there that play, because they've got all these exes that
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: he has to fight. So you just get this opportunity
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 6: to bring in a bunch of characters, and I'll see
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 6: these actors in other movies that are just really bad,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 6: and I'll be like, but I love what you did
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 6: in Scott Pilgrim.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: Why is that any better?
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 7: Again, I think it's that you're right. And I didn't,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 7: watching it this time, I was just like, it could
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: have gone, again, taking a story that simple, it could
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 7: just be like, oh, and he likes this girl, and
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 7: then in the end, it could end very traditionally, but
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 7: you get that midway point when you start realizing, oh,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 7: he's not really the greatest character. He's our hero, but
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 7: he's flawed. And then you're watching the girl, and you're like, wait,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: why does he like her again? Because she's not really
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: the greatest character. Again, it paints them to be real
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 7: human beings. In a dumb movie about comic books or
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 7: video games, you wouldn't have to have that, but I
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 7: think again edgar wright got the source material and put
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 7: a hell of a lot of heart into it and
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 7: i think that's why by the end of it you're
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 7: just like i do kind of care about these two
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 7: even though they're.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Not perfect like they're both very flawed characters i'm gonna
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: go home and watch it tonight you.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 6: Should now but i would say that the comic books
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 6: bring across a lot of that story development a lot
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: better than the movie now saying that i love both
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 6: of them a lot actually i'm wearing battle yeah yeah
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: yeah i've just got this going on but Here's an example.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: Michael Cera's character, he plays Scott Pilgrim. He plays kind
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: of like a bumbling idiot. But honestly, I went back
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 6: to the comic book and I was like, he could
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: have been more of an idiot. And that's his bread
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 6: and butter, is playing a clueless young adult. I feel
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 6: like the Scott Pilgrim from the comic is more of like,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 6: this bumbling idiot. But there's a lot of really good,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 6: and I guess it's this Wright brought in the really
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 6: good directing scenes. Like, I think there's the scene where
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 6: Scott Pilgrim has to come to terms with the fact
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: that he loves... ramona and he's just i think it's
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: when he says i'm in lesbians like yeah whatever and
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 6: the whole scene is uh is like cut out of
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 6: uh seinfeld because it's just got that bass going up
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: in the background and i caught on to that and
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: i was like oh man like you know you couldn't
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: have done that in the comic book but right here
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 6: it works really cool yeah.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 7: I mean there's there's so many different things you can
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 7: do in each medium and i think again that's how
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 7: much he was dedicated to that original property have you
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 7: watched the side by side thing that they do i
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 7: mean Comic books are almost perfect to be turned into
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 7: movies anyway, because it's basically just like a storyboard with
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 7: the dialogue already there. So, I mean, you watch, they
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 7: do a split screen of like the original, like drawings
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 7: from the comic versus how he shot it.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 8: In the movie.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 7: And they're damn near mirror image or pretty close. So
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 7: you can see, it's not like he just, well, I'm
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 7: going to shoot it my way. Like he got that
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 7: original and was like, he's onto something. Like he does
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 7: tell the story the way that I still want to
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 7: convey and he can do his own personal touch to it. But,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 7: He was still seeing that the original comic had that
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 7: perspective and was trying to keep that going. Watch that
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 7: breakdown that they do, because it is amazing how much
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 7: time he put into building sets that actually look like
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 7: these little... It's a very simple style of drawing that
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 7: he does, too. But it's funny how much he translates
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 7: that to this three-dimensional world and put a hell of
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 7: a lot of work into that, it seems like.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: You could almost use the comics as a tour guide
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 6: of Toronto. Because a lot of those places are really there.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: I want to go to Toronto just to go to
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: Honest Ed's and just walk around.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: Make sure you see the mayor.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 7: And on a side note, what the hell is he
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 7: thinking with Ramona? Knives is awesome. The whole time I'm like,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 7: but Knives is so awesome. What are you, stupid?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: And what's the drummer's name now?
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Kim.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 7: She's, again, an amazing character thrown in this that didn't
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 7: have to be there. She could have been nobody in
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 7: the background.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 7: She becomes kind of one of the best characters when
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 7: the movie goes on.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: And you know that there's that scene at the very
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: end where Scott walks into the big final kind of
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: fight room and he looks at Kim and just says,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry. Well, that apology takes up more time in
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 6: the comic book. There's this whole big extended what they
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: call wilderness sabbatical where he finally realizes that he's been
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 6: an ass to everyone he's ever met his whole life.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 6: And finally at the end, it's like, wow, maybe I
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 6: should grow up.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: So when I started coming up with some of the
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: movies that we should talk about, I knew right then
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: that when you get that many geeks together and throw
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 7: out topics like comics and movies, well, we were going
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 7: to get so into it that we were going to
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 7: spill over into the next episode. And I was right.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 7: So we'll be back next week to continue with more
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: on graphic novels. But for now, we'd like to close
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 7: out with an awesome song, a fitting song, and a
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 7: movie we were just talking about. Otherwise, that about does it.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 7: We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 7: And now, Kim, tell them who you are.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 10: We are Sex Bob-Omb! One, two, three, four! Let's do it.
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  Speaker 13: His mom died, I think, like, last year. Because I
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 13: know he had her on as a guest here and there.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 7: After she was dead? Yeah.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 8: That would be cool.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 7: Like a Ouija board? We'd consider doing one of those episodes.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: Just put a Ouija board out there and talk about
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: whatever it tells you to?
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: We'll just have a celebrity interview. Like, Charlie Chaplin. Then
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 7: we'd just get in trouble because we'd get in a fight.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 7: I'd be like, Buster Keaton was better than you. Oh, shit,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: he's pissed.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, the board is floating on the table.
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• 1:24:26
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  Speaker 3: Talk hard!