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Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast. JP Shadwick,
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Speaker 1: John Osier at the Hyundai studios at the Miller Electric
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Speaker 1: Center in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks in Los Angeles on a busy,
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Speaker 1: busy week. Bucky, good afternoon.
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Speaker 2: What's going on, guys?
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Speaker 3: How we doing?
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Speaker 4: I think for BUCkies this week is like you always
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Speaker 4: hear when presidents lose their office or when kings lose
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Speaker 4: their throne and they missed the adulation when it's over.
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Speaker 4: For Bucky after the Combine is that he's lost. He's
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Speaker 4: driving around, He's drinking coffee with anything in it, just
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Speaker 4: black coffee from McDonald's. Just wondering around Los Angeles looking
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Speaker 4: for agulation.
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Speaker 3: Just wandering around after being the king of the Combine,
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Speaker 3: just coming back and just normal civilian life.
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Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. You gotta you have to know
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Speaker 4: how we all walk.
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Speaker 1: Now, Welcome to our world, Bucky. All right, let's start
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Speaker 1: with the Jaguars cuts. The reports coming through over the
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Speaker 1: last couple of days, starting with fully Phatikasi that'll save
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars three and a half million dollars against the cap,
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Speaker 1: and then continuing right around the deadline for the franchise tagged.
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Speaker 1: There was some news of cuts on Tuesday. Rashon Jenkins,
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Speaker 1: the safety saves about five million dollars, and cornerback Darius
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Speaker 1: Williams saves about eleven and a half million dollars. They
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Speaker 1: had to make some room, so some veteran names Bucky
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Speaker 1: are apparently no longer going to be with the Jaguars.
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Speaker 1: Jenkins made some big plays around here obviously in big moments.
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Speaker 1: Darius Williams had a really good year statistically last year
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Speaker 1: and passes defense, and then fully Fotacasi was injury plagued
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Speaker 1: for a couple of years, had a big free agent contract.
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Speaker 1: So you know, could there be more? What do you
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Speaker 1: think of the three that got it started in the cuts?
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Speaker 3: No, I mean you may see a few more that
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Speaker 3: kind of are on the horizon, and they have lefts
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Speaker 3: to do about the salary cap and more to do
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Speaker 3: about just kind of positioning yourself for some of the
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Speaker 3: signings that are on the horizon. When you think about
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Speaker 3: the three guys that we're talking about, like all defensive players,
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Speaker 3: you're talking about Padakasi at the point of attack, he
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Speaker 3: just wasn't available enough, wasn't available enough, didn't make the
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Speaker 3: impact that you would expect based on the compensation.
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Speaker 2: So you can see that one.
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Speaker 3: I think the ones in the secondary are a little
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Speaker 3: more hard for maybe the fan to understand because ray
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Speaker 3: Seon Jenkins made a ton of plays, was an integral figure,
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Speaker 3: a chief figure in that defense, one of the leaders
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Speaker 3: of the defense, had a lot of splash plays that
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Speaker 3: are kind of tied to his resume. And so when
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Speaker 3: you see him move on and you see Darius Williams
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Speaker 3: move on, who played Darris Williams, who played pretty well,
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Speaker 3: a lot of that might be due to the schematic.
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Speaker 2: Shift that we will see from the defense.
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Speaker 3: As Ryan Nilson comes in and kind of puts his
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Speaker 3: stamp on the unit, you may see bigger corners on
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Speaker 3: the outside. Guys are really comfortable playing press covers, being
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Speaker 3: real nose to nose. And then at safety, you have
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Speaker 3: a situation where you signed like and I'm not saying
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Speaker 3: they're necessarily the same, but you signed Wing Good a
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Speaker 3: year ago. You have Cisco playing, you have Antonio Johnson
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Speaker 3: who appears ready to take on a bigger role. Sometimes
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Speaker 3: those circumstances can lead a veteran to be forced out
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Speaker 3: despite playing well and having a number that kind of
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Speaker 3: matches some of the production that he brought to the table.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think the reality is I think Darius
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Speaker 4: was mostly about scheme fit. Also, Darius was really good.
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Speaker 4: He had picks, but he gave up a lot of
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Speaker 4: He gave up a lot of plays too. I mean,
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Speaker 4: you know, I'm not saying here trying to cut on him,
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Speaker 4: but you know, I think he was good but not irreplaceable.
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Speaker 4: But when you sign guys in free agency, now, when
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Speaker 4: you sign second contract players from other teams, the life
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Speaker 4: span is two or three years with that next team.
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Speaker 4: Usually it's not usually going to be a six year marriage.
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Speaker 4: To me, Ray Sean uh followed the plan that you
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Speaker 4: want you sign a guy in free agency, he gives
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Speaker 4: you a three good year second tier. He bridges you
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Speaker 4: to Antonio Johnson. I think think with Darius that you
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Speaker 4: would rather have you have him coming in for two years.
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Speaker 4: You would like to know where that next guy is,
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Speaker 4: you know, I think they would have liked to have
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Speaker 4: one of these corners that they had drafted more visibly
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Speaker 4: ready to step up. Potocossi I think just didn't play
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Speaker 4: that well. I mean I think that was more.
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Speaker 2: Uh winning was out there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't give me he.
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Speaker 4: Was out there. I mean, so I think it was
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Speaker 4: it was more that ideally you would have liked to
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Speaker 4: have signed all these three guys. I think ideally they
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Speaker 4: would have liked to have drafted a couple of guys
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Speaker 4: where other veterans that they had signed in the last
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Speaker 4: two or three years were maybe more expendable. But they
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Speaker 4: have they're not at that point right now. But you
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Speaker 4: don't sign. I mean, I get a lot of questions
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Speaker 4: when these kind of releases happened. Oh, terrible signings. You
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Speaker 4: can't even keep these guys well. Usually, if you look
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Speaker 4: around the league, the lifespan for most players is four
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Speaker 4: or five years with first team. They go sign a
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Speaker 4: second contract, they play two or three years on that
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Speaker 4: and then usually that means they're twenty eight, twenty nine
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Speaker 4: to thirty and the rare guy is the guy who's
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Speaker 4: playing at a core contract level beyond that. So these
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Speaker 4: to me made sense. The question is do you have
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Speaker 4: guys on the shelf, so to speak, to replace them?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the big thing. And you're right, John, when
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Speaker 3: you talked about the guys in the back end, they
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Speaker 3: were viewed as bridge guys that would kind of veterans
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Speaker 3: that would come in kind of give your performs for
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Speaker 3: two or three years, but you're hoping that you draft
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Speaker 3: guys that could eventually replace them.
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Speaker 4: But Antonio, Antonio is a formula. Yeah, that's how it's
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Speaker 4: supposed to work. I wonder about corner.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Antonio Johnson definitely looks like he's ready to take
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Speaker 3: on a bigger role, whether that's like as a full
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Speaker 3: time nickel, whether that's moving back into the star lineup
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Speaker 3: as a safety. He looks primed and ready going into
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Speaker 3: the second year to be a guy that's a.
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Speaker 2: Major contributor at cornerback.
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Speaker 3: Now it's the conversation, do you feel good about the
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Speaker 3: guys that you have there? Do you feel good about
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Speaker 3: Buster Brown being a guy that can develop and get
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Speaker 3: onto the field, or do you feel like it's time
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Speaker 3: to go and draft another one based on how you
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Speaker 3: want to play and who matches up. The other thing
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Speaker 3: that you have going is you have Tyson Campbell who
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Speaker 3: is entering the last year of his deal. What is
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Speaker 3: he going to be? Is he going to be a
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Speaker 3: legitimate number one corner in this game?
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Speaker 2: Can he play at that level?
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Speaker 3: Or do you have to think about who are we
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Speaker 3: boring to bring in to be the heir apparent for
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Speaker 3: him on the other side.
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Speaker 2: So there are a lot of things that play.
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Speaker 3: Some of this would be solved in free agency, but
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Speaker 3: a lot of it will be resolved in the draft.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be surprised, JP. I they I know they
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Speaker 4: like braswell. I they like him a lot. But much
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Speaker 4: like the Cooper Hodges' story in the offensive line, did
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Speaker 4: he play enough to make you think, Okay, we're going
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Speaker 4: forward with this or do we have to make sure
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Speaker 4: that we have an option if he's not. I don't
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Speaker 4: see any way in the world that they don't spend
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Speaker 4: equity on two corners in the next what six weeks
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Speaker 4: whenever the draft is be that too high corners a
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Speaker 4: free agent because you know, I don't know that you're
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Speaker 4: moving forward with Trey Herndon. Antonio Johnson's not a nickel.
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Speaker 4: He's gonna be a safety.
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Speaker 1: So guys are young and don't have a lot of
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Speaker 1: time on task.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be. I would be. I'd be a little
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Speaker 4: nervous if if they don't have two high, high equity
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Speaker 4: corners either in free agency, in the draft meaning Day one,
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Speaker 4: Day two draft and a little bit of cash and
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Speaker 4: free agency, because that's their whole right now. But that again, Bucky,
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Speaker 4: that sort of makes sense because if there was a
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Speaker 4: philosophical change that happened in the last two months, it's
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Speaker 4: been how they're going to play cornerback right.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and so it makes sense that you a clear
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Speaker 3: the decks unless stockpile of the defense with the kind
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Speaker 3: of players that the defensive coordinator believes he needs.
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Speaker 2: To help this scheme get up and going.
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Speaker 3: He talked about being more of a press coverage guy,
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Speaker 3: a guy that wants to play nose and nose to
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Speaker 3: take away the lay us what also taking away.
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Speaker 2: The deep shots.
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Speaker 3: And so typically your best bump and run corners are
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Speaker 3: long because the length kind of frustrates wide receivers at
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Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. They're athletic because you've got to
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Speaker 3: be able to run no matter what we talk about it,
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Speaker 3: we can mask it.
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Speaker 2: And seeing they're playing zone.
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Speaker 3: Coverage, if it's quarters, if it's some form of the
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Speaker 3: old Seattle Seahawks defense, this man and man on the outside,
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Speaker 3: and so you got to be able to hold up
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Speaker 3: in coverage, and so you need to be athletic. You
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Speaker 3: need to be quick with your terms and transitions, and
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Speaker 3: I would say that looking at what we currently have,
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Speaker 3: I absolutely believe the jack Wars will be aggressive and
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Speaker 3: trying to upgrade the guys because you talked about two
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Speaker 3: high end corners of certain necessary because you got to
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Speaker 3: have three corners to really play effective defense in this league.
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Speaker 1: This Tuddle Up podcast safe he Shadwick, John Oser, Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: and other news this week. Obviously, the franchise tag deadline
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Speaker 1: was March fifth, and outside linebacker Josh Allen got the tag.
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Speaker 1: The tender is twenty four million dollars. That means it's
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Speaker 1: linebacker money for him. The deadline to make a long
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Speaker 1: term deal is July fifteenth. If it doesn't get done
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Speaker 1: by then, then he would play on that twenty four
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Speaker 1: million dollar number for the season if he is to
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Speaker 1: sign the tender. And consider that he's made just over
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Speaker 1: thirty three million dollars total in his first five seasons,
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Speaker 1: I would consider yesterday a significant day if you're pretty
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Speaker 1: much guaranteed at least twenty four million dollars to play
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Speaker 1: football next year.
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Speaker 2: Either way, the.
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Speaker 1: Negotiations will continue, and Bucky, there's all kind of fan
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Speaker 1: angst and things out there. For most things these days,
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Speaker 1: it's kind of how it goes. But there's you know,
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Speaker 1: what does this mean for the future of Calvin Ridley
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Speaker 1: is what a lot of people are talking about. And
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Speaker 1: why couldn't they get the deal done with Josh Allen
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Speaker 1: before the deadline so they could tag Ridley? And there's
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Speaker 1: all these different ideas about how the scenario went down.
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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, Josh Allen is the
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Speaker 1: guy that was drafted here in the first round early,
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Speaker 1: who's worked his way up two Pro Bowls, had a
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Speaker 1: career season last year. He was always the priority, at
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Speaker 1: least to me.
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Speaker 3: What do you think, Bucky, Yeah, no, I think it's
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Speaker 3: something to be said for that. Let's talk about Josh
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Speaker 3: Allen first. The reason why you franchise him is because
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Speaker 3: you don't.
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Speaker 2: Want to lose him.
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Speaker 3: You are talking about a hefty race for him. He's
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Speaker 3: up to twenty four million dollars guaranteed. It'll be interesting
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Speaker 3: to see what he lects to do with the tag,
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Speaker 3: because once he signs the tag, he becomes fully guaranteed,
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Speaker 3: and that is a lot allocated. Like the thing that
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Speaker 3: jas can always do, you always remove the tag, and
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Speaker 3: so it'd be interesting to see if Alan does signed
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Speaker 3: to act. I mean he's kind of obligated to come
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Speaker 3: in and do all those things that players on the
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Speaker 3: contract are supposed to do.
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Speaker 2: Or will you wait until the very end of the.
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Speaker 3: Negotiating period before he signs the tag and comes in
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Speaker 3: and does what is uh required?
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Speaker 2: When it comes to that.
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Speaker 3: With Calvin Ridley, the funny thing has been like, uh,
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Speaker 3: justin kind of looking at Jack's Twitter.
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Speaker 4: I looknglasses look as a black hole.
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Speaker 3: And so the love hate fair because it went from like,
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Speaker 3: oh he needs to go to oh no, He's now
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Speaker 3: the number one receiver on the on on the market,
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Speaker 3: his paycheck is going to be big. Is it worth
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Speaker 3: retaining him? And then you're weighing Calvin Ridley versus what
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Speaker 3: could be available in the draft. What I can confidently
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Speaker 3: say is I don't think the Jaguars want to spend
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Speaker 3: the first round pick on a wide receiver. And so
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Speaker 3: what you have to do is, when you're doing this
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Speaker 3: uh exercise of scrimmage, you're looking at Calvin Ridley versus
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Speaker 3: the players that could be available in the second and
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Speaker 3: third round. Do you want Calvin Ridley, the experienced player
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Speaker 3: who's near thirty, who just put up a thousand yards,
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Speaker 3: or do you want what could be a young player
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Speaker 3: like maybe a Lab mccocky, but who knows if you'll
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Speaker 3: be there in the second Maybe a Ricky Piersoll from Florida,
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Speaker 3: who knows.
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Speaker 2: If he'll be there. Xavier Lagette and those things.
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Speaker 3: The history hasn't been great for the franchise of late
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Speaker 3: when it comes to drafting wide receivers, and so all
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Speaker 3: of that goes into the equation when you're Doug Peterson,
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Speaker 3: Trent Balky trying to decide how high do you want
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Speaker 3: to go when it comes to the contract with Calvin Ridley,
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Speaker 3: because look, he's a veteran player. You know what you're
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Speaker 3: getting versus what is unknown in terms of a draft
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Speaker 3: pick coming in.
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Speaker 1: How high would that be on an annual basis in
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Speaker 1: your estimation for Calvin Ridley when he gets to the marketplace.
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Speaker 3: Well, the thing that I know it only gets hit.
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Speaker 3: The price deck is only going up now that he's
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Speaker 3: the only one. No t Higgins, no Michael Pittman, Mike
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Speaker 3: Evans is off the market like he's the best one
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Speaker 3: on the market. So teams that are desperate have to
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Speaker 3: look at it. He's a much better player than Gabe Davis,
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Speaker 3: and so we're talking about the numbers.
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Speaker 2: You maybe get into the twenty million dollar mark a
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Speaker 2: free agent.
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Speaker 3: For a free agent wide receiver, I can't imagine taking
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Speaker 3: a discount. I mean, you talk about Mike Evans signing,
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Speaker 3: but twenty four to twenty five. Look, man supplying demand.
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Speaker 3: Supplying demand drives up the market.
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Speaker 2: And so part of.
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Speaker 3: The reason why you want some of these deals done
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Speaker 3: early is because you don't want the market to sit
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Speaker 3: the table for what you have to band you get.
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Speaker 2: On the front end.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you can avoid that, but now it's a precarious situation.
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Speaker 3: If you do Jags, how much are you willing to
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Speaker 3: spend to retain Calvin Riddy.
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Speaker 4: Look, I've been saying for two or three months, I
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Speaker 4: would want them to sign both these guys long term
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Speaker 4: because I think Josh is an incredibly safe long term pick.
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Speaker 4: When you sign that guy to a deal and you
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Speaker 4: put your head on the pillar that night, you know
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Speaker 4: what you're getting. You're not gonna worry. You're not gonna worry,
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Speaker 4: is he's not gonna show up, etc. All that stuff
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Speaker 4: we've talked about. I also back when in January, when
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Speaker 4: the tone of the fan base was why in the
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Speaker 4: world will be shines Calvin Ridley? He ran that wrong
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Speaker 4: route in Cleveland. I was saying at the time, Look,
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Speaker 4: you don't want to let that kind of production get
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Speaker 4: out through the window. And I've been consistent with that.
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Speaker 4: I would have signed him. Devil's advocate with Calvin would
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Speaker 4: be the opposite. And again I would have signed him.
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Speaker 4: I think he's a good, good player. They weren't that
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Speaker 4: much better offensively this year after releasing a veteran or
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Speaker 4: a playing a veteran, reliable guy that you could trust,
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Speaker 4: Marvin Jones go and now some of that was a
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Speaker 4: Jones being hurt. I'm not gonna say that Marvin Jones
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Speaker 4: is the same player as Ridley, but for that price
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Speaker 4: of twenty four, it is veteran. That you know, is
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Speaker 4: that you know Calvin at times struggled with the routes.
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Speaker 4: I mean, let's be you know, so is there a
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Speaker 4: little bit of, Hey, we really like this guy at
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Speaker 4: eighteen or nineteen, but boy, that might be just a
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Speaker 4: little bit much for us to pay when maybe we
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Speaker 4: could go this other route, maybe make it work. I
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Speaker 4: don't necessarily feel that way, but I could see that thought.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'd be curious. Only Calvin and his representation
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Speaker 1: can answer this part of it, Bucky. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: if they feel like they're in a place with a
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Speaker 1: solid quarterback and a scheme that fits them that he
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Speaker 1: already somewhat knows and can get better at, and a
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Speaker 1: new deal, does he take a little less to stay
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Speaker 1: in a non tax state? Would it kind of equal
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Speaker 1: out of the end when the washer is all done,
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Speaker 1: I wonder.
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Speaker 2: I don't think if it's that closing.
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Speaker 1: I know it's all about money.
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Speaker 4: The ex player got real quiet because ain't taken less.
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Speaker 3: I don't know about I don't know about the hometown discount.
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Speaker 3: And the reason why I don't know about the hometown
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Speaker 3: discount because you've got to remember like fair or not,
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Speaker 3: and whether it's direct or indirect. He has kind of
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Speaker 3: been cited as the problem for a lot of the
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Speaker 3: as the culprit for a lot of the Jaguars offensive problems,
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Speaker 3: right like and for a player no matter what we think,
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Speaker 3: like when it comes to money and those things like
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Speaker 3: they bristled at the point of being pointed at and
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Speaker 3: objectified as Hey, you're the reason why the offense isn't working.
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Speaker 2: You don't know the.
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Speaker 3: Routes and you're not doing this and you have some
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Speaker 3: drops and all of this other stuff. And so now
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Speaker 3: because the leverage will flip, the leverage is now in
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Speaker 3: Calvin's corner. How much is he willing to kind of
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Speaker 3: give up off of that? You know now that he
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Speaker 3: is the number one receiver on the market, and they
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Speaker 3: are teams that are desperate looking for a receiver, and
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Speaker 3: the market is saying that Mike Evans can get twenty
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Speaker 3: five million, So that might put him at twenty three
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Speaker 3: or twenty two million. When it comes to it, that's
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Speaker 3: a lot. You remember, he hasn't played in two years
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Speaker 3: and so he missed a year and some change worth
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Speaker 3: of salary.
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Speaker 2: That's the consideration. So when we think.
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Speaker 3: About the hometown discount, me not knowing anything, I'll say, yeah, nah,
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Speaker 3: that's not gonna be a consideration. It's gonna come down
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Speaker 3: to the bag and it's gonna come down to what
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Speaker 3: the Jaguars want to do.
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Speaker 2: And they can talk and say that it'll be an issue.
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Speaker 3: And here here's where it's troublesome because if you move,
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Speaker 3: let's remove Calvin from the equation.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: So now you're like, oh, okay, that's cool, Zay Jones can
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Speaker 3: can do what Calvin did, but Zay Jones has been
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Speaker 3: beat up in the last two years. And so then
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Speaker 3: it becomes a wide receiver cord that is Christian Kirk
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Speaker 3: and Evan Ingram and a bunch of unknowns and with
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Speaker 3: a quarterback who's also about to get paid. How good
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Speaker 3: do you feel if you're building this offense around Trevor
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Speaker 3: Lawrence a try now, Evan Ingram, Christian Kirk and a
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Speaker 3: possible and Jay Jones. That's not necessarily a winning spades
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Speaker 3: hand if you're a guy that likes to play cards,
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Speaker 3: and so we'll see, we'll see if that works out.
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Speaker 2: It also makes it a need.
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Speaker 4: It makes it a need if he walks out the door, absolutely, Oh,
18:15
Speaker 4: it makes.
18:15
Speaker 2: It a need.
18:16
Speaker 3: And then the other part of it comes how confident
18:18
Speaker 3: in you in uh, the coaching staff, in the organization
18:23
Speaker 3: and developing young wide receivers. What's who's the last wide
18:26
Speaker 3: receiver that's a homegrown product to pop.
18:29
Speaker 2: In a major way for the Jaguars? Oh?
18:31
Speaker 4: Boy, Alan Robbins.
18:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he didn't make it to a second
18:35
Speaker 1: contract and earns for a couple of minutes, you.
18:40
Speaker 4: Made strong argument the only two drafted guys are are
18:43
Speaker 4: black men and Alan Robinson.
18:45
Speaker 3: Okay, So I mean so I'm just saying like that
18:48
Speaker 3: that's the reality and so like so maybe some of
18:50
Speaker 3: the clearing of the decks is that you're gonna have
18:52
Speaker 3: to bite down and just say, wow, hey, we're gonna
18:55
Speaker 3: have to overpay for Calvin because we're going to pay
18:57
Speaker 3: for the quarterback. And so if you're want to pay
19:00
Speaker 3: for Trevor Lawrence, and you have to make sure that
19:02
Speaker 3: you give him everything, and so you have to take
19:04
Speaker 3: the money from somewhere and normally the defenses to corporate
19:07
Speaker 3: when it comes to that.
19:08
Speaker 1: Let's hear from Trent Balky at the podium at the combine,
19:11
Speaker 1: asked about Calvin Ridley and the status of the conversations.
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Speaker 5: We're not real concerned with that. Whether it's a second
19:18
Speaker 5: or third round. We're just going to work with the
19:20
Speaker 5: player and see if we can come to an agreement
19:23
Speaker 5: when whether that's before that compensation changes or not that
19:28
Speaker 5: that remains to be seen. But we're more focused on
19:31
Speaker 5: the player. Yeah, We're going to continue to have conversations
19:34
Speaker 5: with all of the We've got a lot of work
19:36
Speaker 5: to do this offseason. You know, I had a meeting
19:39
Speaker 5: with Kelvin the other day in my office.
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Speaker 2: Had a great talk with Kelvin.
19:43
Speaker 5: Know exactly where he's at, and then he knows where
19:46
Speaker 5: we're at. So we're just going to continue to work
19:48
Speaker 5: with all these players and try to come to some
19:51
Speaker 5: form of compromise, some form of resolution as the weeks
19:55
Speaker 5: go on.
19:55
Speaker 1: Well that's the GM last week in Indianapolis, and hey,
19:59
Speaker 1: the sick in here because the legal tampering window, if
20:04
Speaker 1: you will, starts March eleventh, and then all of a sudden,
20:06
Speaker 1: March thirteenth is the start of the league year and
20:10
Speaker 1: then it's came on.
20:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think what Bucky said, though, carris a lot
20:13
Speaker 4: of weight. Calvin's about to turn thirty. But this is
20:18
Speaker 4: his second contract, so this is you know, it's not
20:21
Speaker 4: like he's an older player, like when Klayus came in,
20:24
Speaker 4: he'd already gotten a second contract, right, Well, this is
20:27
Speaker 4: sort of I mean, Calvin got paid is a first
20:29
Speaker 4: round pick. But this is the opportunity. So I if
20:35
Speaker 4: I was in a room with Calvin, I wouldn't be
20:37
Speaker 4: talking about hometown discounts. Sure, And if I was Calvin,
20:42
Speaker 4: I wouldn't give a hometown discount. I mean, I know
20:45
Speaker 4: I have a chance. Right now. I'm the highest paid guy.
20:48
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm the highest rate receiver going in free agency.
20:51
Speaker 4: This is the chance. This is what you dream of,
20:53
Speaker 4: this is what you work for. Think about where he
20:54
Speaker 4: came from. I mean, he didn't come from money. So
20:59
Speaker 4: a chance to set up up your family for the
21:01
Speaker 4: rest of their lives and for generations. Discount schmidsch count.
21:08
Speaker 1: He's made twenty two million in change over his career,
21:10
Speaker 1: including eleven million last year alone in the final year
21:13
Speaker 1: of his contract, so he could make that more than
21:17
Speaker 1: that annually. Moving ahead.
21:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't get me wrong what I said earlier. I
21:21
Speaker 4: think he's really important. I think he gave them last
21:24
Speaker 4: year a lot that they didn't have without him. I've
21:26
Speaker 4: said multiple times, I think there's bare minimum they don't
21:30
Speaker 4: beat Buffalo over there if he's not in the field.
21:32
Speaker 4: And I think there are a couple other games. I
21:33
Speaker 4: mean a strong argument that he was the difference in
21:37
Speaker 4: two or three games. So how you replace that's a
21:41
Speaker 4: big deal.
21:41
Speaker 2: It is a big deal. And so here's where relationships matter.
21:45
Speaker 3: We can talk about the bag and all that, and
21:46
Speaker 3: it is certainly a function, But does Calvin Field wanted
21:51
Speaker 3: by the people in the building.
21:52
Speaker 2: Does he feel wanted by the general manager, the head coach,
21:54
Speaker 2: and the position coaches around him? What is that relationship like?
21:57
Speaker 3: Because Dad can have some sway when it comes down
22:00
Speaker 3: to do I want to leave?
22:02
Speaker 2: Do I want to uproot my family and go elsewhere?
22:04
Speaker 3: Or do I feel like I've settled in to the community.
22:09
Speaker 3: I feel good about my teammates, I love playing with
22:12
Speaker 3: my quarterback in those things, and so I won't completely
22:16
Speaker 3: dismissing and say that the bag is everything. Those relationships
22:19
Speaker 3: can matter when the negotiation is tight, but the negotiation
22:23
Speaker 3: has to be close enough that we're not talking about
22:26
Speaker 3: a significant chunk of change that we're leaving on the
22:29
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Huddle Up Podcast. JP Shadwick, John
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Speaker 1: three three two thousand. Well, there's a number of pending
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Speaker 1: free agents for the Jaguars that you can still do
23:32
Speaker 1: business with up until they are free agents March thirteenth,
23:37
Speaker 1: officially at four o'clock. You know, I'm curious. We've talked
23:40
Speaker 1: about obviously Ridley and Allen, and those are the two
23:42
Speaker 1: big big names. I like, Jamal Agnew's coming free as well,
23:47
Speaker 1: kick returner, and there's all this talk about possible kickoff changes,
23:51
Speaker 1: rule changes. There seems to be a little momentum at
23:55
Speaker 1: least whether it gets done this offseason or not, who knows,
23:58
Speaker 1: But I wonder how Bucky from I'm gonna ask the
24:02
Speaker 1: the former special teams players slash coordinator here, would that
24:08
Speaker 1: change how you approach pending free agents that you like,
24:14
Speaker 1: and especially in Jamal Agnew's case, one of the best
24:16
Speaker 1: returners in football already, were the rules as they are,
24:19
Speaker 1: if he has a chance, well, in theory, he'll have
24:22
Speaker 1: more chances if the rules changed to the xfl Air
24:25
Speaker 1: quotes style of kickoff return. What do you think?
24:29
Speaker 2: No, I think it's a significant development.
24:33
Speaker 3: If they're trying to bring in bring back the kickoff return,
24:37
Speaker 3: it does change the way that you prioritize Jamal Agnew
24:39
Speaker 3: because now the return game becomes another part of the offense.
24:43
Speaker 3: And one thing that we do know is he's a
24:46
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl returner. We have seen him flip the field.
24:48
Speaker 3: We seen him change games with a big return. You
24:51
Speaker 3: would like to think that give him more opportunities. He's
24:54
Speaker 3: going to continue to do so, no matter how it
24:56
Speaker 3: changes schematically between the lines.
25:00
Speaker 2: Being able to add that hidden.
25:03
Speaker 3: Yardage to an offense that's expected to be better going
25:07
Speaker 3: into the third year under Doug Peterson. Yeah, that's a
25:09
Speaker 3: big get. And he also is kind of like what
25:11
Speaker 3: I call a bonus player.
25:13
Speaker 2: If you bring him back, you now not.
25:15
Speaker 3: Only get the bonus of what he doesn't on kickoff
25:19
Speaker 3: returns and punt returns, but you get what he's able
25:21
Speaker 3: to do as a gadget player.
25:22
Speaker 2: We've seen him make some big plays on the offense.
25:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with all that he's important. Often with
25:33
Speaker 4: returners as they age, they can get lost in the
25:37
Speaker 4: shuffle in decision makings like this. I'm not saying this
25:42
Speaker 4: team doesn't prioritize Jamal, but this will be his what
25:48
Speaker 4: he got here under Irvin in one I mean twenty one. Yeah,
25:57
Speaker 4: I think it's fifty to fifty on this one. I
25:59
Speaker 4: think he's really important. He was hurt and out quite
26:02
Speaker 4: a bit this last year, but hurt a little bit.
26:05
Speaker 4: I don't quite know how that'll factor in. But as
26:10
Speaker 4: I said with Calvin, there are certain guys who give
26:13
Speaker 4: you impact. And I'm not sure they beat the Colts
26:16
Speaker 4: without his return in week one, So how are you
26:21
Speaker 4: going to replace it if it's not here. I don't
26:24
Speaker 4: have a real feel he makes a lot of money
26:26
Speaker 4: for a returner, So I think this is what to watch.
26:30
Speaker 3: So now what you do is so you're jugging, so
26:32
Speaker 3: you can't keep everything, you can't keep everybody right. So
26:34
Speaker 3: we sat here we made a case for Calvin, We
26:36
Speaker 3: made a case for Jamal. I would say you opt
26:38
Speaker 3: for Calvin over Jamal. You then look at Parker Washington.
26:41
Speaker 3: How good do you feel about his ability as a
26:44
Speaker 3: return Is he ready to be the next one? If
26:46
Speaker 3: he's not ready, who is maybe a young, cheap returner
26:51
Speaker 3: that we can kind of bring into the fold. Is
26:54
Speaker 3: there someone that you can draft and maybe you're intrigued
26:56
Speaker 3: by their return ability if the kickoff return is going
26:59
Speaker 3: to and play And now kind of falls on the
27:03
Speaker 3: scouts to kind of dig deeper when it comes to
27:06
Speaker 3: the evaluation, a are they any rookie returners that can
27:10
Speaker 3: come in and maybe give us an immediate impact given
27:13
Speaker 3: the new rules and more opportunities that these returnership face
27:17
Speaker 3: and the years going forward.
27:18
Speaker 1: So obviously the timing of this is is going to
27:22
Speaker 1: be of interest. The annual meeting is in what late
27:25
Speaker 1: March in Orlando might be too soon for. Then there
27:29
Speaker 1: was the fair catch rule was implemented in May of
27:32
Speaker 1: last offseason where you could fair catch on kickoffs. It
27:34
Speaker 1: was a one year trial, so in theory it could
27:37
Speaker 1: be done at some point later in this offseason, but
27:39
Speaker 1: then the draft over by then, so you know, like
27:42
Speaker 1: free agencies opens before the next annually, the annual meeting,
27:47
Speaker 1: and then the draft is over before the May meetings.
27:50
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think a lot of times you kind
27:53
Speaker 3: of get a feel for the winds right to see
27:57
Speaker 3: the wins kind of let you know, like this is
28:00
Speaker 3: happening and that Yeah, like you, it seems like teams
28:05
Speaker 3: are vested in this. That the league didn't like that
28:08
Speaker 3: the kickoff became a throwaway play, and so there seems
28:11
Speaker 3: like there's some momentum building that you want to bring
28:14
Speaker 3: the return back into the game. And so if you're
28:16
Speaker 3: gonna bring the return in, you need to start thinking about, Okay,
28:19
Speaker 3: how do we want to attack the return game? And
28:21
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that he that means that we're automatically
28:23
Speaker 3: gonna sign Jamal Agnew, But it does mean he when
28:26
Speaker 3: we're looking at the college prospects, the wide receivers and
28:29
Speaker 3: dbs and the guys who have return value, are there
28:32
Speaker 3: guys that we like because normally those things are evaluated
28:35
Speaker 3: by a special teams coach.
28:37
Speaker 2: Hey, give me a list of guys that you like
28:40
Speaker 2: in the return game. Okay, let's cross.
28:42
Speaker 3: Let's compare Jamal Agnew at this salary versus these young guys,
28:47
Speaker 3: and what you can what what else you can add
28:50
Speaker 3: to the team by removing Jamal's salary, all of those
28:53
Speaker 3: things into the conversation when you begin to do those evaluations.
28:57
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope I say this right, But some competition.
29:00
Speaker 4: Many people told me a long time ago that the
29:01
Speaker 4: Commentation Committee doesn't like rules that sort of make the
29:05
Speaker 4: game look different. If you're watching it in a bar
29:10
Speaker 4: with the sound down and the kickoff return sort of
29:16
Speaker 4: being thrown out when you're sort of just watching the
29:18
Speaker 4: game casually, it looks weird, right, Like it feels like
29:22
Speaker 4: you've taken something away from the game. So I think
29:26
Speaker 4: they'd like to get it back safer, you know, and
29:30
Speaker 4: find a better middle ground there for safety's sake than
29:35
Speaker 4: what they've had. So I do think they'll try to
29:38
Speaker 4: do whatever they can to get it back to where
29:40
Speaker 4: it at least looks like it used to. I hope
29:43
Speaker 4: that made sense, But.
29:45
Speaker 3: It does make sense because, like I mean, you took
29:47
Speaker 3: a play that was such a prominent play. Obviously, as
29:49
Speaker 3: a former returner, I always appreciated the kickoff return. We
29:53
Speaker 3: have Devin Hester going into Hall of Fame as one
29:56
Speaker 3: of the best who ever do it and it's been removed, right,
29:59
Speaker 3: And it's a huge, huge play as an offensive player
30:02
Speaker 3: that you want to see some of those dynamic plays.
30:04
Speaker 2: I mean, shot, we've been on both ends of.
30:06
Speaker 3: It where we've had Jamal make big plays and we
30:08
Speaker 3: saw the other team, the Houston Texans, take one back
30:11
Speaker 3: and it changed the game. Uh, you want that to
30:13
Speaker 3: be a part of the strategy. You want that to
30:16
Speaker 3: be a part of the team building process. So hopefully
30:17
Speaker 3: they find a way to find a nice middle ground
30:19
Speaker 3: where they can.
30:20
Speaker 2: Bring it in while keeping the numbers down. From a
30:22
Speaker 2: safety standpoint.
30:23
Speaker 1: I'd be curious too, is there enough information on how
30:27
Speaker 1: it affects a game yet? I mean, there's XFL used
30:30
Speaker 1: it for one year, you know, and I think there's
30:32
Speaker 1: seasons about to crank up again. Do you kind of
30:35
Speaker 1: let them experiment with it one more time to get
30:38
Speaker 1: some more data on it or does that even equate
30:41
Speaker 1: for you? I mean, maybe we're.
30:42
Speaker 4: Digging fel They can always bring it in as one
30:43
Speaker 4: of those trial.
30:44
Speaker 1: Rule, the trial rule, Right, that's possible, but you know
30:47
Speaker 1: it's we're digging in the week.
30:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think yeah, But I think I think I
30:50
Speaker 3: think there there were so few returns. They want that
30:55
Speaker 3: to come back. There are people that are like, I
30:56
Speaker 3: mean the ball hasn't even been kicked and you got
30:58
Speaker 3: the Iron Cross.
30:59
Speaker 1: You know, people just Super Bowl had no return, no
31:03
Speaker 1: return at.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we want to see the ball return.
31:07
Speaker 3: We want to see some of that coming to it.
31:09
Speaker 3: It is a really exciting play and there's nothing like
31:12
Speaker 3: having a big kick return that juices up the stadium.
31:15
Speaker 2: It kind of gets the momentum going. We would like
31:17
Speaker 2: to see it.
31:18
Speaker 3: I mean, the casual fan, I would think would even
31:19
Speaker 3: like to see that come back.
31:21
Speaker 1: All right. Upcoming schedule Jaguar's Happy Hour Radio tomorrow at
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Speaker 1: four o'clock. Brian Sexton and Jeff Logman will have that
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Speaker 1: for you on ten ten xcel am on Thursday. The
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Speaker 1: negotiation window March eleven through thirteen. The league year starts
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Speaker 1: March thirteenth at four o'clock. The NFL Annual Meeting March
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Speaker 1: twenty fourth through twenty seven. The offseason program begins April fifteenth.
31:43
Speaker 1: The Draft is April twenty fifth through twenty seventh. The
31:45
Speaker 1: schedule at least probably in early May. That's the lay
31:49
Speaker 1: of the land.
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Speaker 4: John Yeah, and the combines in the rearview. Sorry, Buck,
31:55
Speaker 4: it's all good.
31:56
Speaker 2: It's all good.
31:57
Speaker 4: There's what you do between now and next late February.
32:00
Speaker 4: Just hang.
32:02
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot to talk about the draft.
32:04
Speaker 3: The draft is until April, you know, and then you know,
32:06
Speaker 3: my favorite time of year is the summertime where we
32:08
Speaker 3: got O T a's in mini camps. You know how
32:09
Speaker 3: important headways, you know how you know how minicamp performers
32:13
Speaker 3: translates into regular season production.
32:15
Speaker 2: So I'm excited for all of those things that are
32:17
Speaker 2: hit for us.
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Speaker 4: I already have my laid out.
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Speaker 1: For all and John's ready to chart throws and stack.
32:25
Speaker 4: I got four notebooks for dry fit for dry fits,
32:30
Speaker 4: shirt and I am straw hat. Just stay out of
32:36
Speaker 4: the way. Share I'm going, yeah, come on, gonna.
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Speaker 1: Make the happ Bucky will talk to you again next week.
32:42
Speaker 4: Appreciate it as always, all right, Buddy, looking.
32:45
Speaker 1: For Bucky Brooks, John Osher. I'm JP Shaddwick. Thanks to
32:49
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32:52
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