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My Bloody Valentine: Axel, Agony, and Anatomy · Systematic Geekology

• 1:14
  How many Canadians does it take to survive a serial killer?
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  We're probably asking this question a lot more in today's episode, Cismicology.
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  We are the priests of Geeks.
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  I'm your host, Christian Ashley, joined today by, of course, the wonderful Dr.
• 1:24
  Leah Robinson.
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  How's it going, Leah?
• 1:26
  It's going well.
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  Apparently those Canadians did not fare well.
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  How are you?
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  We'll be getting to that.
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  I'm doing well.
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  I'm ready for the weekend.
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  I've got a whole week, like I said before recording, going to the Outer Banks, be with old college friends, do it once a year.
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  I love doing this to reconnect with them, see their families and go explore the beach.
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  It's going to be a fun time.
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  I said before I'm jealous because I want to see those wild horses.
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  We do plan to see that too.
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  So we, of course, in the middle of our bonus series, our Halloween series this year, the framing device this time around being remakes of a foreign horror film.
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  We've done things like the Ring.
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  I just did one with Kevin for Goodness Gracious.
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  I was just on it and I'm missing it because I'm getting old.
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  I was on it.
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  I liked it, I swear.
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  But there's that.
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  We're doing today, however, one you might not expect, and that's My Bloody Valentine.
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  And you may think, but isn't that an American film?
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  Well, no, because we haven't annexed them yet and we're better off not to.
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  This is actually originally a Canadian film.
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  You may be thinking of my bloody Valentine 3D.
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  So this we'll be discussing both today, focusing on the ones we care about a little more maybe.
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  So any thoughts before we head forward?
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  Leah?
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  Yeah.
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  When you listed like the options, I had seen My Bloody Valentine and I swear in my brain they were in like West Virginia or something because I remember them, it feels like it well.
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  And they're trying really hard to make it seem like they are.
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  They are country.
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  There's some country happening here.
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  They're like all wearing flannel.
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  And I just was like, I can see why I didn't.
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  I questioned you because I was like, that's a foreign.
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  And you're like, Canada.
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  And I was like, oh, okay.
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  So they're kind of cosplaying as West Virginia Virginians in this one, I think.
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  Yeah.
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  The original film does come from our lovely friends to the north.
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  My brother in law included among them.
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  Love him too.
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  Shout out to you.
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  You don't listen to this, but that's fine.
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  So, Leah, we have Just left the drive in for the first time seeing this film.
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  Uh, let's start with 3D.
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  What is your first auto reaction there?
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  We're talking 3D.
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  I enjoyed it.
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  I like the Double Bluff.
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  I.
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  I'm your slasher girly though.
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  I'm into the slasher flex, so, you know, scream, heart, heart.
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  But for me, I would leave that movie thinking I had a really fun time.
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  Is my life changed?
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  No.
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  However, it was a really, really good time.
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  Quite.
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  If I didn't see it in 3D, which I didn't when I watched it.
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  Pretty violent though.
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  Pretty violent as it goes.
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  Like it, it definitely, you know, don't value anything in your, your head or your eyeballs in this.
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  If you have, if you have a weirdness about that, that's not going to help.
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  But yeah, I would say I had a good time.
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  As me who loves slashers, it was a jolly good time.
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  So what about yourself?
• 4:27
  Leah raises a good point.
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  Before I get to my feelings.
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  There is a lot of graphic violence in this one.
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  Some splatter gore and the like.
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  I mean, it's a slasher, but like some people can handle a little bit.
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  This goes a little beyond in some ways.
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  There's also way more nudity than you would expect.
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  Well, not really from this time period, but like if you're not looking, knowing it's going to be in there, you're going to be shocked by it.
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  Like, I knew what I was getting into, but other people aren't.
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  So as much as I watched that.
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  First scene with that girl, it's this, oh my gosh, this one girl, he is really underplaying the nudity because she is nude for a solid like 15 minutes.
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  It's long.
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  It's long.
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  And when I was watching it, I was just like, oh my God, what is Christian gonna say about this?
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  Like, but because this was like, there's nudity and then there's like gratuitous nudity and then there is this girl running around for 15 minutes.
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  But that's how I felt because the Ring episode I did with John and Evan, the made for TV movie in Japan, which came out before the, the first film, Japanese movie, has nudity in it.
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  And I'm like, yeah, I am in a high school right now watching this.
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  I really hope there's nobody behind me.
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  Oh no.
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  Yeah, this would, if you were watching this not at home, you would be like, if you were rushing on an airplane, you would, you would feel uncomfortable.
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  There would be feelings.
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  So all I have to say, as someone who Watched the first film first in the 80s.
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  I wasn't alive then, but I watched the first film first.
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  I am a bit let down ultimately.
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  But you know, if I was wearing 3D glasses, man, some of the scenes would have been so sick.
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  Would probably be my first reaction.
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  They true.
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  When that tree.
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  When the tree limb went through the windshield, I was like, wow, that would have looked really cool in 3D.
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  But I just don't.
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  Can you just like get 3D glasses and just like.
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  I guess you can.
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  And just watch 3D movies help my millennial heart here.
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  I don't know.
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  Surely they have to.
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  Yeah.
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  I've never looked into it.
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  Meaning clearly.
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  Me neither.
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  But some of the scenes would have looked really neat.
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  I agree.
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  If you can see it in 3D, I would see it for that.
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  So you said, you said you were disappointed with the remake then.
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  Yes.
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  Changes made.
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  Like ultimately I get why to just distinguish things from the original.
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  You're not doing a shot for shot.
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  Like you're making it your own thing.
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  But it's.
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  I don't care for the reveal as much on the second one compared to the first one.
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  Yeah, but we'll get there in a bit.
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  Okay.
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  So this of course is My Bloody Valentine.
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  The original from the 80s or 3D.
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  Can you help me like introduce what this movie.
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  These movies are like synopses for both.
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  We can work off of each other here.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  So this.
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  Well, either one really.
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  It's the town of Spoilers.
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  Sorry?
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  Oh yeah, spoilers.
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  I mean, come on.
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  The town of Harmony, I think is the name and it.
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  There you go.
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  See, I just watched these locations.
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  These people have names.
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  Sure, if you say so.
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  The names, the names of the people.
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  I'm worse up but I think having watched them both, I think I can.
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  So there's a.
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  There's this mining town and the mining thing is big.
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  You just.
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  That's that if this film had a personality, it would be mining.
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  So these are mining towns presumably somewhere in Canada and somewhere in the States.
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  But they are kind of like an every mining town.
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  Like essentially it's pretty like everyone knows everybody.
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  It's a very poor working class sort of community.
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  Nobody really gets out, it seems like.
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  And the mine is really the heart and the soul of the town.
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  And we've seen these towns that exist in our world.
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  And I think that's kind of what it is.
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  The bars there, it's like the same five people that go, you know.
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  And everybody knows everybody's business.
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  And on Valen.
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  Well was the initial sort of catastrophe on Valentine's Day.
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  Is that what caused it to be.
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  That the day 20 years ago?
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  I think in both films.
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  Okay, yes.
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  On Valentine's Day.
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  On Valentine's Day, there is this catastrophe.
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  They do, I think, have different explanations, don't they, in the two?
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  Yeah.
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  One is the original.
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  It's a methane explosion, I think.
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  Yeah.
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  Or.
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  Well, actually, they both may be methane explosions.
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  One is it was just an accident.
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  The other in the remake, I think it's them leaving the people in charge who should have been looking for this.
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  And that's why there's some resentment.
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  I am mixing these two films.
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  So if I get something wrong or we get something wrong, it's just deal with it.
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  It's My bloody Valentine.
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  It's not like.
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  I mean, what you need to know was there was an explosion.
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  People died.
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  It's a small town.
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  There's a lot of resentment.
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  One guy ends up surviving Tom, and Tom goes into a coma.
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  And then presumably come.
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  I mean, he comes back and he starts killing people.
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  And kids go drinking in the mines, because that's apparently what you do in this town.
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  And actually, probably one of the most believable aspects of movie is that they would go drinking in the mines.
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  He starts killing people in both.
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  And then it come.
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  Well, I guess this is a spoiler, but it comes to find out that Tom has.
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  Has died at some stage and that there is a new person who has taken up the mantle.
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  And much like our.
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  Our similar movies like Scream and some of these other slasher flicks that are actual humans and not like ghosties like Freddy or Jason, one of.
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  It's.
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  It's one of them.
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  And there's all these red herrings and who is it?
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  And you know, oh, my gosh, why is this guy so sinister looking?
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  And eventually it gets the big reveal and you have yourself a final girl.
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  Pretty formidable one, I would say, in both.
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  Except they.
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  The last one needs to learn how to shoot a gun.
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  You.
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  I mean, they're in.
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  They're in a mining town.
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  She should.
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  She should know.
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  They all know how.
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  They all know how, right?
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  Yeah.
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  Like, they're drinking in mines and they could probably shoot a pistol.
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  Okay.
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  Like, I'm just gonna go ahead and take a wild guess.
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  This isn't some hippie dippy girl from San Francisco.
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  No.
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  Who's never held a gun or seen a gun before in her life.
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  She's been raised around it.
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  Like, come on.
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  She.
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  Yeah, she's just like.
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  Anyway, she was like a stormtrooper out there, but so Anyway, so.
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  And then that's kind of it.
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  The.
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  There's a lot of ambiguity because they clearly want to make 45 million different sequels to this.
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  And the good thing about the films like Bloody Valentine and films like Scream or I know what you did last summer is that they can kind of keep going, you know, because there's.
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  The story can continue and.
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  And so.
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  And I'm sure we'll get another one, although it's been a minute, so we'll see.
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  So big differences here as far as reveals goes.
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  In the original film, we have the main love interest.
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  It's kind of a Betty Veronica situation with this one girl and two guys.
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  They have names, I'm sure.
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  And Sarah, I think.
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  Sure.
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  Her main squeeze at the beginning turns out to be the actual killer because he watched his dad.
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  Axel.
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  Thank you.
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  Watched his dad be killed because he was one of the negligent people that.
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  The guy who was in the mine came back, went a little crazy.
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  Little bit of cannibalism on the side, killed his dad in front of him.
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  And that imprinted on him, like, the psychological trauma.
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  So he decided to relive it by doing this.
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  When the town started to celebrate Valentine's Day again, which is a huge thing.
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  It's like the original killer.
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  Never do this again because I'll rip out your heart.
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  Shoot, My heart's been taken from me.
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  All that jazz.
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  There's a lot of hearts and hearts.
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  Yes.
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  The 3D Dean Winchester is.
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  I was gonna say.
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  I just kept calling him Dean the whole time because he just.
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  That's all I can see.
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  Well, he has this.
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  He's wearing the jacket still, and he has the same.
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  Like, the four faces that he makes on Supernatural.
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  And I just was like, all right, Dean, what you doing?
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  If you told me he just walked off of set with the same clothes he wore in the show, I'd believe you.
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  Yeah.
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  He filmed a West Virginia thing for Supernatural and just walked off Jared with Jared and just was like, I'm here.
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  I am.
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  Yeah.
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  But they.
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  They changed for the American film.
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  Is that it's his dad who was one of the miners who killed the people there when the accident happened so he could survive and feed off of them.
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  And his dad was the one who killed all these people originally 20 years ago.
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  Was then taken to a mental institution.
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  He, too, himself was.
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  And the reveal is, you know, he's been treated poorly by the town ever since.
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  Could say, oh, you're just like your daddy.
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  And the big thing is that we learned that he is suffering from Did Dissociative identity disorder.
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  And he has been the killer the whole time and gets away at the end after it looks like he dies.
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  Yeah.
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  And it's very, very akin to like, if you've seen I Know, I Know what yout Did Last Summer, you do have the original person.
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  It's kind of like the big baddie, but then it just becomes a thing throughout the movies where everyone's like, oh, it's the big baddies back again.
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  When actually it's like your next door neighbor.
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  And that's kind of what's happening in these films.
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  How were you introduced to these films?
• 13:43
  That is a great question.
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  And honestly, I think these were.
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  I went through a phase when I was in Scotland, when I was doing my PhD where it's called a little strange phenomenon called procrastination.
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  And essentially I decided that I needed to watch every, like, slasher film that's ever been.
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  So I was watching like, Urban Legends and like this one.
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  And I think it just got in that group of, of ones that like, I hadn't seen in the 90s, which it wasn't out.
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  Well, it was out.
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  It was out in the 80s, so.
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  But I'd seen.
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  I hadn't seen it.
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  So the new one's not 80s, but.
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  And I just wanted to checkbox that list because I'm going to tell you when you're procrastinating hard, you'll do just about anything tonight.
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  So I decided my new goal was to watch a bunch of slasher films.
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  And so I did.
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  So I'm pretty sure this was in the midst of that.
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  And, you know, I love the 80s aesthetic.
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  Like, 1984 was one of my favorite seasons of American Horror Story.
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  And it's all about the tropes from these 80s slasher films.
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  And there's something to me inherently not super.
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  It's so out of time when you watch the real 80s films that I don't feel as scared about them, you know, And I.
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  I kind of like that if I'm by myself.
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  So that's how I got introduced.
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  What about you?
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  I saw the first film either in college or right after college because kind of similar thing, not doing my work because I am a great learner, but a terrible student.
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  If I care about it, I'm a boy if I don't.
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  Sorry, I'll give you the stuff, but I'm not a good scooter.
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  But yeah, I saw the original film.
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  I also, I knew the remake existed around the time I was graduating high school, but that was when I was in my era of just becoming a horror fan because I had started off like so scared of everything
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  and I couldn't watch a thing and just like would hide and like, not even like horror movies.
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  Like when dinosaurs would show up in Jurassic Park, I'd be like, nope, I'm done.
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  And leaving the room.
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  That's a horror in itself.
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  We just didn't know that's true.
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  There are horror elements in Jurassic Park.
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  I wouldn't consider it a horror film, but like they're, they're there.
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  So that.
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  Growing out of that phase.
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  Yeah, I watch them and like, okay, I appreciate these for what they are about, what we do love and what we don't love about each of these movies.
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  Yeah.
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  If we're talking the 1980.
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  Is it 81?
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  I think one.
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  Yeah.
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  I just, again, I love the whole 80s.
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  I could make an 80s film in about, if given a budget in about 20 minutes.
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  Like, I could do the script, I could do the clothes.
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  Like there's something, you know how a lot of people watch procedurals and they'll just rewatch them and.
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  Because it's comforting to me sometimes 80s slasher flicks are comforting because you just know like that the drops when things are going to happen, you kind of know what's the rhythm and what's going to happen.
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  And so for me, I really like.
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  Like I said, I love 80s slasher.
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  So I really liked that first one for that.
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  What I didn't like is probably that I got bored sometimes watching it and that it wasn't like super gripping, I would say, in that way.
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  I was watching it last night while I was just like eating and doing other things.
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  And I feel like that's probably the right space for it.
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  You know, it's not a real mind bender in that way.
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  In terms of the, the new one, 2009, I think maybe the 3D one I liked, I liked the twist because I will say there is a twist at the end and the twist being that you think it's kind
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  of a one for one and it's not a one for one one, which I did like because I was already sort of accepting that this guy was going to be the.
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  The killer and he wasn't.
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  So I did like that because at least it was an element of surprise to something that I thought was just a remake, you know, of the original.
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  What I didn't like, I.
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  I could have done without all.
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  It's hard to say because I say I love slashers, but it was a lot of head trauma.
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  Yes, to the point where I was like, can.
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  And it's not that I don't think you.
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  You can kill people, but he could have killed them in different places maybe.
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  Like, I feel like I've seen every which way ahead.
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  Can have a pickaxe go through this thing.
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  And at some point I was like, yeah, it was.
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  Yeah, that's a good way to put it, actually, is like, you know, Leah's not saying that slasher films can't have slashing.
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  It's just, you know, it was some of the.
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  The quote, quick kills or whatever.
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  You were just like, all right, where's he gonna stab you through the.
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  Around a corner, Stab you through the head?
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  You know, there it was.
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  It was a little samey in terms of the approach.
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  And you're in a mind, like, you could get really creative with that.
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  I feel like.
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  I think.
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  I think for me, some, it wasn't as jump scary as I wanted because of that in that second film.
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  And I feel like they had an opportunity there to really, like.
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  I mean, they had the budget for it in 3D, like, put him on a ceiling or something, have him drop down.
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  You know, if the alien can do it, he can do it.
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  So I sort of knew he was just going to be around a corner banging out some lights and stabbing you through the eyeball.
• 19:15
  Yeah, yeah, I'll say.
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  I'll parrot some of what you said earlier as well.
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  Like the original film, the slice of life stuff kind of drags on too long in certain segments of the film.
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  I think they just needed one time.
• 19:26
  I would have preferred some more kills there, but as far as the original film, I appreciate the mystery of it.
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  There are red herrings in both films, but I think the red herrings work a little bit better.
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  If you like the reveal in the second one, I think they work better for you.
• 19:42
  If you don't like the reveal, I don't think they work well.
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  And that's my opinion on that one.
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  But of who the killer could be.
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  Because obviously your big one is setting up the guy who did it before.
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  Well, obviously he came back, which would be like, I know what you did last summer kind of moment to an extent, obviously before that was made.
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  And as well, like, yeah, it's definitely.
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  It's of the times.
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  Both films are of their times in different ways.
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  Both films.
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  That was some early 2000s stuff happening.
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  Yes.
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  So everything is going to be set.
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  Even though the year could be a different year.
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  It's going to be set, really, when it's made, it's Just how things are made.
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  Yeah, I mean, that's going to put.
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  Those influences in them.
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  That's not a bad thing inherently.
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  But it can be a bit much when you can like, okay, I am reliving this year, watching this movie or experiencing what it would have been like if I'd been alive then.
• 20:32
  Yeah, I'll agree with you as well.
• 20:33
  Like the kills, they're like over the top gory, which, that's not my thing.
• 20:39
  I like a gory kill every now and then, but like, not when it's like excessive or when you're repeating the same thing over and over again.
• 20:44
  Making it very same, like diversify.
• 20:48
  I could have done without, like you said, the 15 minutes of the, of the nudity.
• 20:53
  It was so long.
• 20:56
  I hope she got paid very well for that, which I doubt.
• 20:59
  But.
• 20:59
  Yeah, also doubt.
• 21:02
  Psych.
• 21:02
  Okay.
• 21:03
  She was going like.
• 21:05
  And.
• 21:05
  And you're talking to someone who, who has those parts.
• 21:08
  But I just wanted to like put a sheet over and be like, girl, you about to die.
• 21:13
  Just put it.
• 21:13
  Yeah, like, grab that, grab that dirty.
• 21:17
  Comforter and some dignity before you die.
• 21:20
  Right.
• 21:20
  She gave it a go, though.
• 21:21
  I'll give her credit.
• 21:22
  She gave it a go.
• 21:23
  She did what she could.
• 21:24
  It's not her fault he took off.
• 21:25
  The mattress or that she ran in the back.
• 21:28
  It's one of the rules.
• 21:29
  They should be running.
• 21:30
  Why are they running up the stairs when they should be running out the front door?
• 21:33
  Why did she run in the back room when you could be running in the woods?
• 21:38
  I would take the woods over the.
• 21:40
  The door.
• 21:41
  We needed there to die, I guess.
• 21:42
  Yeah.
• 21:42
  I mean, her nudity.
• 21:45
  Her nudity budget was only 15.
• 21:50
  They couldn't keep her going.
• 21:51
  Specifically in her contract.
• 21:52
  She couldn't be in the rest of the film.
• 21:54
  No, that was her time to shine.
• 21:58
  All right.
• 21:59
  So one thing these films do have to say, like if we're going to pick on, not pick on, pick up on deeper themes here in each of them.
• 22:07
  Yeah.
• 22:07
  They're not the deepest films ever, but there is something in them.
• 22:09
  I would say they do have something to say about generational trauma.
• 22:11
  Like, what do you think about that?
• 22:13
  I do.
• 22:14
  I actually think watching.
• 22:15
  They really are heavy handed with it in the second one.
• 22:17
  I think in relation to Gen.
• 22:20
  I mean, there's a lot of things, as we just mentioned, that they're heavy handed with.
• 22:23
  But also I think the generational trauma is certainly there.
• 22:27
  I think there's a lot actually in these films upon rewatching about poverty, mental health and again, generational Trauma.
• 22:35
  I'm currently taking a course in counseling actually.
• 22:38
  And one of the worst areas for.
• 22:45
  I think it was depression, untreated, I should say.
• 22:49
  Depression is in West Virginia actually is in these kind of mining towns.
• 22:53
  And it's, it's like a mixture of things because it's like it is poverty, it is like the, the health care is not access as accessible, but it's also this idea, the stick.
• 23:04
  That's exactly right, Christian.
• 23:05
  The stigma of mental health and how people see it as like, you know, we're tough, we don't need to do it.
• 23:12
  So I feel like all of those sort of themes you see in both of these films, which is that, yeah, I mean there is a lot of trauma that happens from these close knit communities when these deaths occur.
• 23:27
  But then there's also like the subsequent things that happen later which are, you know, none of it really gets talked about or dealt with.
• 23:36
  Everybody just wants to fight people when they come into town.
• 23:39
  And.
• 23:40
  But I mean, you know, and that's the thing is that it's just not.
• 23:43
  And honestly I think it.
• 23:46
  The one person who does it seems get treatment for it, interestingly, is a villain.
• 23:52
  Yes.
• 23:53
  And I find that to be quite an interesting turn in that.
• 23:58
  So, yeah, in the original film, of course, we get our main killer, let's just say Axel, watching the death of his father from the original killer and then that kind of imprinting on him as a young, on a
• 24:08
  young age.
• 24:09
  It's like, oh, I lost my dad because of this madness.
• 24:12
  Now everyone's going to look down on me.
• 24:13
  I was already going to have to probably work in the mines anyways.
• 24:16
  And now without a breadwinner in the house, it's going to be even worse along the way as it gets into adulthood.
• 24:22
  And then the whole thing of we're going to force this upon you, I get it.
• 24:26
  Breaking mentally seeing that happen.
• 24:28
  And then people wanted to celebrate the day where you lost everything.
• 24:31
  Literally.
• 24:32
  I might snap too.
• 24:33
  I get it.
• 24:34
  Yeah.
• 24:34
  And you see that it's a very common.
• 24:37
  You would think, you know, they don't go so deep as talking about these sort of generational things.
• 24:42
  But you see it if you think about Halloween, you know Halloween, you see the little baby Michael Myers with the knife in the costume, the clown costume in the front yard.
• 24:54
  And you see it with Friday the 13th, you know, Jason doesn't like it when you drink and have sex and do all the quote, sinful things because that's when he drowned.
• 25:04
  And you know, all this sort of mommy died.
• 25:06
  That's where mommy died, you know, there's mommy issues.
• 25:09
  God, if any villain has had mommy issues, it's.
• 25:13
  It's the old Jason.
• 25:15
  But it's an interesting thing that, yeah, it's seems to some of these horror films, they want you to have a motivation for what you do.
• 25:23
  And I guess it does make it a little more grounded and interesting to have someone have something happen, you know, that makes them become.
• 25:31
  And I wonder if that speaks to humanity in a way as we don't like the idea that there's just killers that are, you know, psychopathy they don't appreciate.
• 25:40
  They need some sort of generational stuff to make it more believable or to make it less scary because the idea.
• 25:48
  Of they just are that way.
• 25:49
  That's.
• 25:50
  Yeah, that's how they develop.
• 25:51
  Nature, nurture.
• 25:52
  Maybe they had something to play, but maybe they were just born that way.
• 25:55
  And I think that's scarier to me because like I'll watch a dateline and if you're like, oh, like they had X, Y and Z reason it was very stupid.
• 26:04
  But then they just killed a whole bunch of people.
• 26:05
  But you know who get.
• 26:06
  Who really gets me are these people, like these serial killers who just are like, well, I woke up one day and.
• 26:12
  And bye.
• 26:15
  You know, it's almost like there's nothing triggered it.
• 26:18
  It's almost like if you have some sort of starting point, you can somehow contain it or figure it out, you know, whereas like the Ted Bundy's of the world, you just.
• 26:27
  There's nothing.
• 26:28
  I mean, he says reasons, but come.
• 26:30
  On, believe about half of what he says.
• 26:32
  And I think that's still too much.
• 26:34
  Probably he's manipulative psychopaths.
• 26:37
  But I think that's one of my biggest problems with the remake is that the generational trauma thing is still a thing there.
• 26:43
  He witnesses his dad dying.
• 26:46
  Same too.
• 26:46
  But he's also the son of the killer in the remake, Right?
• 26:49
  I'm not getting that wrong.
• 26:51
  He is the.
• 26:53
  No, you mean in the new one.
• 26:56
  In the new one, yeah.
• 26:57
  No, he is not the son he's.
• 27:00
  Because his dad must be misremembering his dad own the mind.
• 27:02
  Is that the same?
• 27:03
  I can't remember.
• 27:05
  I don't think the whole thing is like, you're going to turn out just like him.
• 27:07
  I want to say he's his son, but like, maybe.
• 27:10
  So then, yeah, I don't remember this movie because.
• 27:12
  Because that would be my reason why I don't like this one as much if I read that film correctly.
• 27:16
  And maybe I Wasn't paying as much attention as I should.
• 27:19
  I can always say I'm wrong.
• 27:20
  There's a lot of related people in this film.
• 27:22
  So you need, you might need a like flowchart if you want to get.
• 27:26
  But.
• 27:27
  But that if he is indeed his son, the whole town hates him because of the fact that he is the son of the man.
• 27:32
  If that's what's happening.
• 27:33
  And then at the end it's proven he is the killer.
• 27:36
  It's like, oh, well, that's it.
• 27:38
  Like it.
• 27:38
  They were right to hate him.
• 27:41
  I kind of have issues with that.
• 27:42
  Well, I mean, I think what they did is they had all of these red herrings like throughout that second film.
• 27:48
  And I think they left it down to just two people because everyone else was dead by the end, you know, pretty much.
• 27:58
  And I think, yeah, they could have made it a little more.
• 28:03
  Maybe have like three or four that were still alive that it could be.
• 28:06
  And maybe just, you know.
• 28:07
  Because I will say at the end though, you didn't really know out of the two people.
• 28:11
  Like, you know, you knew what happened in the previous film, but you didn't know if it was going to get repeated.
• 28:17
  And they did a lot of stuff with the actors so that you thought they were just all crazy.
• 28:23
  I wanted to get that actress, Sarah.
• 28:26
  I wanted to be like, just shoot them both.
• 28:29
  I would.
• 28:29
  As soon as he said shoot us both, I was like done and done.
• 28:34
  Which I actually give them credit for that.
• 28:36
  With the ending that they have, even though I don't like it.
• 28:38
  That's actually some good foreshadowing that you expect the good person to say that.
• 28:42
  So if he's actually the killer.
• 28:44
  Hold on there.
• 28:44
  That's messing with my perception of things.
• 28:46
  But no, if you're feeding him with the twist they haven't planned, that makes sense.
• 28:49
  So I do kind of like it.
• 28:51
  Even in the not liking of what happens after that.
• 28:53
  Oh, he is legitimate.
• 28:55
  Like he is a good guy.
• 28:56
  The good guy would say that because, well, it's better for me to die and him to die.
• 29:00
  Therefore you're not in trouble anymore.
• 29:01
  Even though you're going to take me away from you.
• 29:03
  Right.
• 29:03
  And keeping in mind that, you know, your girl grew up in Georgia, she can shoot a gun, but like just shoot them in incapacitate.
• 29:13
  You don't have to blow their faces off.
• 29:15
  Like, I get that this is your dad, the, you know, your kid's dad, like, and your old fling.
• 29:23
  Sure.
• 29:24
  Give them a real big leg shot and hope for the best.
• 29:29
  At least you can I just.
• 29:30
  I was like, yelling at the screen.
• 29:32
  I was like, just shoot him.
• 29:34
  He said, do it.
• 29:35
  Do it.
• 29:35
  Like we were doing like the Spider man meme over here, just waiting for something to, like, happen.
• 29:41
  And it did.
• 29:42
  To just go to a rating.
• 29:44
  Reviewing, like, out of 10.
• 29:45
  What do you think of both of these?
• 29:47
  I am again, super biased about the first one.
• 29:51
  I would give it in.
• 29:52
  In my horror world, I would probably give it like a 6 out of 10.
• 29:56
  Like it's something that I would.
• 29:58
  I would watch it again and it's very comforting.
• 30:01
  The new one, it's probably gonna fall into like a 4 out of 5 out of 10 for me.
• 30:09
  Didn't quite hit those nostalgia buttons.
• 30:12
  Better made.
• 30:13
  Better made film because it's like 20 years later, but like, it's.
• 30:17
  It's still gonna fall into that world for me.
• 30:19
  And that ties into the question Wal was asking at the end of the is, which is superior?
• 30:23
  I guess with ratings, we're kind of giving that away, but, like.
• 30:25
  Yeah, I'm with you there.
• 30:27
  I think I'd give the First 1A 7.5 out of 10.
• 30:30
  It's not reinventing the wheel.
• 30:32
  It's not the greatest film ever.
• 30:34
  There are some parts that are a little.
• 30:35
  That carry on a little too long.
• 30:36
  There's a nice mystery in there.
• 30:38
  Some good kills, if that's what you're looking for in a slasher film.
• 30:40
  Can't go wrong.
• 30:41
  The remake.
• 30:42
  I am also giving it a four as well.
• 30:45
  Because I'm not.
• 30:45
  I don't jive with the ending.
• 30:47
  There are parts beforehand that are really cool.
• 30:49
  The same.
• 30:49
  He kills kind of like I lose interest.
• 30:51
  But if I was wearing 3D glasses, I might raise it to a five.
• 30:54
  Oh, that's.
• 30:55
  We're gonna have to do some deep investment some.
• 30:58
  The 3D world.
• 31:00
  Yeah, I mean, I think.
• 31:03
  Oh, and is that part of it is you have to pick what you think did better?
• 31:06
  I mean, I think yes.
• 31:07
  I think the Canadians killed it.
• 31:09
  Good job, Canadians.
• 31:11
  Don't be mad at us.
• 31:12
  We're trying.
• 31:15
  We're just jealous.
• 31:16
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