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The Bolt Report | 16 April · The Bolt Report

• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Is the gold reboard.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight a frightening list of the cuts the Abanese governor's
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: made to our military, just when Russia confirms it does
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: want closer military ties with Indonesia. Now one of the
• 0:26
  Speaker 2: Albanese governor today tried some dirty tricks to hide that fact.
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: Plus Albanese's medicare lie called out not just by a
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: doctor but by a viewer of this show with a
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: wife going blind. Also tonight, Bruce Pasco caught out claiming
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  Speaker 2: twenty of his mates are Aboriginal, two which is sure
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: news to them. And why did labour great Wayne Swann
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  Speaker 2: crop out the background of where he was with Julia
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  Speaker 2: Gillard and Tanya pliversek. Plenty more coming up, including Gemetonini
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  Speaker 2: and Christie ViXS we need. But first I don't trust them,
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: and nor should you. I don't trust Russia, don't trust Indonesia,
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  Speaker 2: and certainly don't trust or believe the Abanzi government. Do
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  Speaker 2: not believe it's extraordinary spin today trying to convince us
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  Speaker 2: that nowhere not in danger from Russian warplanes in our region.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to show you how prime is anything. The
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  Speaker 2: Albanese in his top two minutes is in charge of
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  Speaker 2: our security try to fool you about that today and
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: even claim that the real danger here offers not Russia
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  Speaker 2: at all, it's Peter Dunton. Now. Yesterday the government freakd
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  Speaker 2: to hear that JANS, which is an authoritative military intelligence website,
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  Speaker 2: so that Russia asked to station some of its long
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  Speaker 2: range military aircraft in Indonesia just twelve hundred kilometers from US.
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  Speaker 2: And as I said last night, this is frightening because
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  Speaker 2: there's absolutely no reason for Russia to want it's air
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  Speaker 2: force in our area unless it's the help it's great
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  Speaker 2: ally China in war, China's plane invasion of Taiwan, maybe
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: an attack on the US based in Guam, maybe even
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: just intimidating Australia. So no wonder the government paniced because
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  Speaker 2: the last thing, obviously Labour needs in this election campaign
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  Speaker 2: is evidence that war is coming our way, and particularly
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  Speaker 2: when this Albany's a government just stripped our military bear
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  Speaker 2: to pay for the nuclear submarines we may never get.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, our army is so short of weaponry that
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  Speaker 2: former Chief of Army Peter Lay complained today that there's
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  Speaker 2: nothing left for bloody guns. It's so bad that the
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  Speaker 2: reason Australia had to ask New Zealand to monitor three
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  Speaker 2: ships that China sent here in February to fire weapons
• 2:41
  Speaker 2: and intimidate Australia. The reason was that both of our
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: two new supply vessels are broken, so a navy cannot
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  Speaker 2: refuel any of its ships at sea. I mean, how
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  Speaker 2: pathetic is that? But relax because late yesterday Defense Minster
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  Speaker 2: Richard Marles announced that in the Adonnesia's Defense minister had
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  Speaker 2: just told him that reports of the prospect of Russian
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  Speaker 2: aircraft operating from Indonesia are simply not true. What a relief. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's not true. You can go back to sleep. The
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  Speaker 2: Russians aren't coming. But wait. In fact, the James story
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  Speaker 2: has not been denied at all. Not the fact Senate
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  Speaker 2: Labour is trying to blind you to a growing danger
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  Speaker 2: that caught Males Albanesian from mister Penny Wang dangerously unaware.
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  Speaker 2: What James actually reported was that Russia had formally asked
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  Speaker 2: Indonesia in February for permission for Russian Aerospace Force aircraft
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  Speaker 2: to be based at a facility in Indonesia's easternmost province.
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  Speaker 2: James even cited Indonesian government sources and documents that had
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  Speaker 2: seen to back it up, and that's it. James did
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  Speaker 2: not say that Indonesia had agreed to that request. And
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  Speaker 2: it turns out that no detail and that report is
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  Speaker 2: actual been denied, specifically denied. Russia did make the request
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: a couple of months ago, but Males and he's in
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  Speaker 2: Wang today didn't want you to know that. They didn't
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  Speaker 2: want you to know they'd known nothing about all this.
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: You take the defense mins through on Channel nine today,
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  Speaker 2: refusing to give a straight answer that Russia had indeed
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  Speaker 2: asked Indonesia for a base.
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  Speaker 3: Did Russia put the airbase on the table or not?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean Russia. We know Russia is active in
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  Speaker 4: the region. We know that they have conversations with people
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  Speaker 4: what matters here, and I'm not about to go through
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  Speaker 4: the details of this in the media.
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  Speaker 2: How and as you tried that same cheap weasily you know,
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  Speaker 2: oh my lips are sealed to hide from you the
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  Speaker 2: fact that Russia indeed had plans for our region.
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  Speaker 5: Second, a request was never made.
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  Speaker 2: We know that for sure that a request was not made.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying.
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  Speaker 6: I'm saying, I'll like diplomatically with our friendship Indonesia.
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  Speaker 2: And Penny Wog even appeared to deny that Russia had
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  Speaker 2: even asked Indonesia for a base.
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  Speaker 7: We have not got confirmation of that approach.
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  Speaker 2: Yet. Yesterday, before Labor worked out today's spin, very effective
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  Speaker 2: Males actually gave the game away, clearly suggesting this is
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  Speaker 2: before we talked to the Indonesian foreign minister. There had
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  Speaker 2: indeed been a request.
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  Speaker 4: We have already been engaged with Indonesia on this request.
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  Speaker 4: I'd note that at this point Indonesia has not responded
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  Speaker 4: to this request.
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  Speaker 2: Today though the government is treating us all like mugs.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, oh, Russian request, What Russian request?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, let me repeat the truth that it's
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  Speaker 2: trying to hide, a truth that makes its weakening of
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  Speaker 2: our military a scandal. Indonesia's new president, Provoo Subianta has
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  Speaker 2: tied Indonesia much closer to Russia, and ALBINIZI should have
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: known this clear danger to our security because one of
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: Sylvianto's first trips after his election last year was to
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  Speaker 2: Russia to meet President Vladimir Putin, where invited Russia to
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  Speaker 2: come to a defense exhibition and naval parade in Indonesia.
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  Speaker 2: Russia In fact, it even better than that. It sent
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  Speaker 2: warships in November to train with Indonesia's navy. And in February,
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  Speaker 2: the head of Russia Security Council visited Indonesia's Defense minister
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  Speaker 2: and that's where he reportedly made this request to base
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  Speaker 2: Russian military aircraft in Indonesia. He actually got a warm welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Adela, would you concrete the comit Mandila.
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  Speaker 2: So look, Indonesia's almost certainly going to rule out a
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  Speaker 2: permanent Russian air base, but it has in the past
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  Speaker 2: let Russian long range bombers land and refuel, and Russia
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  Speaker 2: wants that and more now. In fact, Russia's ambassador Indonesia
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  Speaker 2: today said yes, military cooperation is an integral part of
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  Speaker 2: the intergovernmental relations in Russia and Indonesia, and he said
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: the real danger was Australia. So this, not Peter Dutton,
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  Speaker 2: is the big issue here. We have a hostile Russian
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  Speaker 2: Chinese alliance gradually surrounding Australia, with Albanezi seemingly asleep and
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  Speaker 2: making our armed forces weaker when they should be stronger.
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  Speaker 2: This is extremely serious. Yet guess what the big media
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  Speaker 2: angle today within all the news bulletins, I saw it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't that at all. Instead, that heat was on Opposition
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  Speaker 2: leader Peter Dutton for saying this yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: Did the Prime Minister know about this before it was
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  Speaker 5: publicly announced by the President of Indonesia.
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  Speaker 2: Dutton had foolishly relied on one media report which falsely
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  Speaker 2: said that Indonesia's president had announced this offer. But that
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: was all it took for Albanezie, Miles and Wi to
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  Speaker 2: switch the story from their in action to a serious
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  Speaker 2: threat to Dutton's irrelevant misspeak.
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  Speaker 6: What we saw from Peter Dutton yesterday was an extraordinary overreach.
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  Speaker 6: He verbaled the President of Indonesia in this case being
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  Speaker 6: quite reckless, quite reckless with a neighbor of Australia that
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  Speaker 6: is an important neighbor and friend of Australia in the President.
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, that ridiculous spinning work. And that's the line
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  Speaker 2: that mini journalists ran with, especially in the ABC Channel
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  Speaker 2: nine as well. And they all prefer to cover an
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  Speaker 2: attack on Dutton to covering a potential attack on Australia.
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: The bottom line is still this, The Russians are coming
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  Speaker 2: to help the Chinese dictatorship. And here's our urbanizy government
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  Speaker 2: and our military with their pants around their ankles, and
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: if we ignore that and just go with Labour's anti
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: Dutton spin, we really are asking for trouble. More on
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  Speaker 2: the weakening of the military later, but first I'd laugh
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: today at the height of treasure of Jim Chalmers talking
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: about how Labor could afford all its election promises and astonishing,
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  Speaker 2: Oh look, it's well over forty billion.
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  Speaker 5: Now we have found room in the budget to make
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  Speaker 5: the sort of commitments which are so important to help
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  Speaker 5: people who are doing it taft, to invest in a
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  Speaker 5: more resilient economy and build Australia's future.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's of course utter nonsense. Charmers did not find
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  Speaker 2: room in the budget for these promises. He simply slapped
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: them on the credit card for Manana. And that's why
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  Speaker 2: the budget deficit this financial year is twenty eight billion
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  Speaker 2: dollars and next year forty two billion dollars. This election
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  Speaker 2: is going to drown us in debt for years. Joining
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  Speaker 2: me at Cameron Milner, for which he's a staffed to
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  Speaker 2: Labor leader, Bill Shorten, now Director of g Exos Strategies,
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  Speaker 2: and Michael Costa, former New South Wales Labor Treasurer. Michael
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  Speaker 2: I mean seriously, this election. What's it going to do
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  Speaker 2: to our economy?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's already done it to Andrew.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, the fact of the matter is that whilst
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  Speaker 8: Chalmers doesn't have any credibility on the budget, nor should
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  Speaker 8: he have, we've got the highest level of spending in
• 10:25
  Speaker 8: three decades, what is it, twenty six percent plus of GDP,
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  Speaker 8: an interest bill of twenty eight billion.
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  Speaker 1: And so he's got no credibility on this.
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  Speaker 8: But the problem is that I think you need to
• 10:39
  Speaker 8: look at Peter Dutton. He's let him off the hook
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  Speaker 8: on all this. This is in my I've been calling
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  Speaker 8: this the Demtel election. You know there's more.
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  Speaker 9: You know that.
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  Speaker 1: Telemarketer you always to say at the end, there's more.
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  Speaker 8: Every time the government announces something, Peter Dunnan comes up
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  Speaker 8: with something else.
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  Speaker 1: So how are you going.
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  Speaker 8: To credibly have a critique of the government's spending when
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  Speaker 8: you're engaged in the same level of spending. So my
• 11:03
  Speaker 8: view is there's a pox on both houses at the
• 11:05
  Speaker 8: moment in terms of spending. They've both been irresponsible. The
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  Speaker 8: Government's able to lie more effectively than Peter Dunne it
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  Speaker 8: is to combat it, and his strategy is not working.
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  Speaker 1: Don't. Strategy is not working. And on top of this,
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  Speaker 1: they're losing the ground game.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, at the moment Hunter one of these seats
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  Speaker 8: that they're supposed to win the four point eight percent margin.
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  Speaker 8: And i can tell you from the amount of material
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  Speaker 8: and I've got it in front of me that's coming from.
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  Speaker 1: The Liberal Party. There's three leaflets to.
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  Speaker 8: One from the coalition. They're losing the ground game. And
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  Speaker 8: all the leaflets.
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  Speaker 1: From the Labor Party are attacking medicare the.
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  Speaker 8: Deficit, all these sorts of things, and all you get
• 11:45
  Speaker 8: from the Coalition is allows heave for talking about the
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  Speaker 8: fuel exercise rather than everything else is of concern, particularly
• 11:51
  Speaker 8: climate and the loss of jobs associated with in an
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  Speaker 8: industrial region.
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  Speaker 1: So they're losing it on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew, is that a Cameron.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 10: I do, And I think both sides are trying to
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  Speaker 10: buy today's votes with tomorrow's debt. I mean that's our
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  Speaker 10: problem with the economy. The budget can't tolerate the amount
• 12:10
  Speaker 10: of spending that's going on from both sides.
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 10: I know Peter Dutton's going to count with some plans,
• 12:16
  Speaker 10: and I've been arguing for the tax cut that he
• 12:17
  Speaker 10: delivered on Sunday at the campaign launch, which the twelve
• 12:20
  Speaker 10: hundred dollars, but nevertheless neither side have got budget repair plans.
• 12:26
  Speaker 10: Both see deficits for a decade to come. And that's
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  Speaker 10: a real problem because given the uncertainly that Trump is
• 12:31
  Speaker 10: put into the economy as well, we don't have anything
• 12:34
  Speaker 10: left in the tank. Andrew, there's nothing left if we
• 12:38
  Speaker 10: need to have another situation to rescue this strain economy.
• 12:40
  Speaker 10: And that's really worrying me, I think in terms of
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  Speaker 10: both sides having spent not only today's money but also.
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow's totally with you, Cameron, absolutely totally with you. One
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  Speaker 2: of the biggest Liares laborer is telling this election, Michael
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  Speaker 2: is that the Coalition will destroy many care, you know,
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: and another lie is Albaniz You're whipping out his Medicare
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  Speaker 2: card and claiming that he's going to make it free
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  Speaker 2: to go to the doctor. Here is you just need.
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  Speaker 6: Your Medicare card, not your credit card.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the president of the Astray Medical Association says that's
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: not true at all. You will still pay heresues at.
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  Speaker 11: The moment you get the same Medicare prebate, whether you
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  Speaker 11: sit in this clinic for ten minutes or nineteen minutes,
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  Speaker 11: so twice as much time with your doctor only still
• 13:29
  Speaker 11: gives you the same rebate. And for us to keep
• 13:31
  Speaker 11: our doors open, that does mean we're keep charging larger
• 13:34
  Speaker 11: out of pocket costs and the new investments don't always
• 13:38
  Speaker 11: meet the cost of providing that comprehensive care.
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: Michael Costsa, I've never seen an election campaign depending so
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: much on such obvious lies. But why is it working.
• 13:50
  Speaker 8: It's working because the opposition I think has acted amateur ish.
• 13:56
  Speaker 8: It acted like amateurs in the lead up to this
• 13:58
  Speaker 8: election campaign. I don't think they're prepared. Andrew, I think that,
• 14:01
  Speaker 8: you know. I think they thought they were going to
• 14:03
  Speaker 8: coast home on the cost of living. Labor's been and
• 14:07
  Speaker 8: Karen knows this better because he's been in the engine
• 14:09
  Speaker 8: room doing this. Is able to run these scare campaigns
• 14:12
  Speaker 8: much more effectively than the Coalition, and I haven't seen
• 14:17
  Speaker 8: any response from the Coalition.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: Now everybody knows that Medicare.
• 14:21
  Speaker 8: To find a bulk billing doctor is like finding one
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  Speaker 8: of those ninety to thirty pennies that's worth all that money.
• 14:28
  Speaker 8: You'll never find one, especially in regional New South Wales.
• 14:33
  Speaker 8: You can't find a bulk billing doctor, and where there
• 14:35
  Speaker 8: are it's only for children mostly and people on the pension.
• 14:38
  Speaker 8: Everybody else is paying some former co payment. But you know,
• 14:42
  Speaker 8: where is the opposition's ads? Where is their campaign on this?
• 14:45
  Speaker 8: I don't see it. They're not running a good campaign.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: I have to say, I totally agree with you. I mean,
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: they came into this election ahead and within a couple
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: of weeks have been kicked to pieces. That is in
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: the campaigning Cameron Milner, what has gone wrong there?
• 15:02
  Speaker 10: Well, I think Andrew Hurst is doing what he did
• 15:04
  Speaker 10: for Scott Morrison is what he's doing for Peter Dutton.
• 15:06
  Speaker 10: I mean, this guy is not a national campaign director
• 15:09
  Speaker 10: with any record of of getting anything done for the
• 15:12
  Speaker 10: Liberal Party. And I can't believe how bad, just how
• 15:16
  Speaker 10: bad the Liberal Party are. I mean, there's so much
• 15:18
  Speaker 10: to work with, there's so much work to work with
• 15:20
  Speaker 10: with week elbow, you know, upgrade albow, you know mile
• 15:23
  Speaker 10: high albow, There's so.
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  Speaker 2: Much to work with.
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  Speaker 10: But yet they haven't done the homework on the basics.
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  Speaker 10: They haven't come here with a plan to get people
• 15:30
  Speaker 10: out the other side of cost of living, and so
• 15:32
  Speaker 10: in uncertain times, people are going for the devil. They
• 15:34
  Speaker 10: know and the devil is a week Elbow rather than
• 15:37
  Speaker 10: an unknown Darton. And that's a great risk in this
• 15:40
  Speaker 10: campaign that Albow just gets backed by default because people
• 15:43
  Speaker 10: like Gabrehearst can't run a national campaign to save himself.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Look, the ads have been awful, I have to say.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: I mean I reviewed some of them last night. It's
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: true this election we've had a teenager charge over a
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: ledged plot to attack Peter Dutton with a bomb and
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: a dron. We've had so many climate extremest disrupting election
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: events on both sides and getting up right close and
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: personal and shouting and carrying on sometimes very too close really.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: But now two more influences of the right have confronted
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. Here is one.
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  Speaker 10: There are hundreds of thousands of Australians around the country
• 16:22
  Speaker 10: who are unable to afford housing.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: And I have a question for you, mister alban Easy,
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  Speaker 4: When are you going to put Australians first?
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Alban Easy?
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: When are you going to put Australians first?
• 16:32
  Speaker 12: How do you feel about the rise of immigration? Mate?
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's fair? Do you think we don't
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: get public forums? He doesn't attain them? What about Penny one?
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: When she comes to Chawina. They didn't let us in.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: A lot of fuss made about that today. Michael, you
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: know about harassing politicians in the street, fair enough or
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: should we actually have stronger laws to punish people who
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: might be scared politicians away from the meet and Greece,
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  Speaker 2: which is so critical to healthy democracy.
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  Speaker 8: I don't think we need stronger laws. I think we
• 17:07
  Speaker 8: need better policing. Look, the fact of the matter is
• 17:10
  Speaker 8: even the unions, I mean, you know, they run rallies
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: and campaigns in front of people's offices out of the environmentalists.
• 17:17
  Speaker 8: My issue is not with the expression of political disagreement
• 17:21
  Speaker 8: with leaders, it's with the security that's around there. I
• 17:24
  Speaker 8: think we need to beef up the security so that
• 17:26
  Speaker 8: our politicians are able to attend these functions and operate.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: But we can't ban people from.
• 17:31
  Speaker 8: Protesting as long as they operate within the law, and
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: I think they're operating within the law.
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  Speaker 1: It really is up to the security.
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  Speaker 8: To be beefed up and have a better management of
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  Speaker 8: these things.
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  Speaker 2: Michael, Costla camer Miller, thank you very much for you both.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks thank you.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I mentioned to Medicaid lie right, that lie that doctors
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: are free under labor well building, but rates by the
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: way under labors actually have actually fallen. Labor doesn't admit that,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: but it's something else. I got an email from a
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: viewer called Clem and he writes hoping that I could
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: think of some help for him. And if you don't mind,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: I'll just read some of this email because it really
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: calls out the real problem here and the lie. He said,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: for several months, my wife of fifty four years, Dorothy,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: has been in need of eye surgery to remove to
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: protigia sorr. I don't know what that is, but apparently
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: as a precursor to corneas and things. She's got one
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: in each eye. And then he says before having the
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: possibility of having cataracts removed. This will necessitate four operations,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: each with a charge of four thousand dollars. And he said, however,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: we surrendered our private medical cover some two years ago
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: because we are not able to keep up with a
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: monthly fees. We are on the aged pension, so unless
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: we have private health cover, the operation cannot proceed. But
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: the health funds require one year's continuous support before they
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: support the operations, and that is an estimated seven thousand
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: dollars minimum. So he says, these pensioners we are now
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: facing a potential bill of over twenty four thousand for
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: eyesight restoration. And it says as a public waiting list
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: for such operations is over one year. When the Prime
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Minister says is going to fund the increase funding for
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: many care, he talks about funding to increase you know,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: attend family general practice physicians. He is not talking about
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: shortening the waiting lists, the long queues for hospital based
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: care for people like this. And returning to Dorothy Clem said,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: after eighty three years, this is the grateful thanks of
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: the nation towards her for supporting the state and paying
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: her taxes for over six decades. Two by government design
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: be left behind, blind, miserable and forgotten in the twilight
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: of her life. You don't need a medicare. You only
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: need a Medicare card. Prime Minister, you don't need the
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: credit card. Tell that to them. Now back to the
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: top story, Indonesia, Russia and the weakening of our army.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: We have, as I said, two threats here. One is Russia.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: China's ally getting closer to Indonesia, while our military the
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: problem number two is getting weaker. In fact, the albanis
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the government has made extraordinary cuts through our defense force.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: It's canceled a squadron of F thirty five combat aircraft,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: a regiment of Huntsman's self propelled howitzers, two sea lift
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: and replenishment ships, three hundred and twenty one infantry fighting vehicles,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: three Hunter class frigates, and six offshore patrol vessels all canceled,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: along with the naval d mining project. Joining me is
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Kim Bergman, editor of the Asia Pacific Defense Reporter, who's
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: written very extensively on this. He used to also work
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: in the defense industry. Kim, great to talk to you again.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Did I miss anything there? What else did the government
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: cut or fail to do? With China now threatening war
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: in our region and Russia coming?
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: Well, how many hours do we have? I think, Andrew,
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: you have captured the main ones, But there are some
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: other cancelations of I think should concern everyone. First of all,
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: it also looks like the life extension program for the
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: Collins class submarines is now in doubt. Richard Miles revealed
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: just a few weeks ago that that program is being
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: re scoped. Apparently, the ambitions of Navy just cannot be
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: met by AOA, so there are big question marks about that.
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: And without getting more life out of the Collins class,
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: we're in trouble. I'd also had the cancelation of a
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: big sovereign satellite communications program called JP ninety one oh five,
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: and without long range communications the ADF for ships and
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: aircraft that deployed remotely, that's going to be a big problem.
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: And to add to that, i'd say, what underpins all
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: of this is again a failure to lift numbers.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: In the ADF.
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: Now, about eighteen months ago Labor awarded a one point
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: four billion dollar contract to a professional recruiting company, and
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: late last year mat Keo, the Minister, wrote to them
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: warning them of significant underperformance. None of us know what
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: the result has been, other than there still is no
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: evidence at all that numbers of service personnel are being lifted.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: And you haven't even gone into a failure to properly
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: invest in drones to learn the lesson from the Ukraine's
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: gallant defense against Russia. And I think there's minimal investment
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: really in the short term in missile defenses. I mean,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: it's just shocking. Now put it all together, Kim, what
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: does all this mean for our military if there is
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: God forbid a war in our region.
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: Big problems. I've always maintained that the air force has
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: a certain level of capability because they've invested in very
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: capable combat aircraft and air towear refueling. The capabilities of
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: army are extremely patchy and limited. But the or the
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: biggest worry of all for me is navy and Andrew,
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: if I can give you just one simple metric, it's
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: estimated that the Chinese Navy, at the moment, their surface
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: ships have about four four hundred vertical launch missile cells,
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: each one capable of firing multiple missiles. Now at the moment,
• 24:05
  Speaker 9: the Royal Australia Navy has a total of two hundred.
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: Now they're spread across three air warfhead destroyers and seven
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: ANZAC frigates. Now, in twenty twenty six, one of the
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: air warfare destroyers will were going into refit and it's
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: highly likely that another ANZAC will retire, meaning that we've
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: got one hundred and forty four vertical launch missile cells
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: for the entire navy, and by that stage China will
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: have five thousand. Now, I'm not suggesting that we can
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: match China's rate of production. But I certainly think that
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: we can be doing a lot lot better than we
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: have been for the last few years.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Kim Bergman, Our navy could even track three Chinese ships
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: circumnavigating Australia. I mean, this is just so serious. Kim Bergmann,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: thank you so much indeed for your time. And I've
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: got to ask you, know, where are the defense policies
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: of either side? Why is the costion hiding? Is very
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: capable defense spokesman Andrew Hasey is a real ASST, a
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: former SAS captain. I think he said something bad, like
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: maybe in close combat like positions like what I had
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: in the SAS, maybe women shouldn't serve there. Oh, we
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: better hide him, We better hide him. It's a disgrace.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: After the break, how one Queensland counsel has called out
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the hypocrites driving electric vehicles like this one. Well, I
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: hope Browan Dean is going to be able to think
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: on his feet here because just coming from Britain is
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: a decision by the UK Supreme Court. It's a landmark
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: judgment on how women should be defined in law. And
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: what it says is he's talking about transgender women should
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: they be included or not. What it says is biological
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: women the law. A woman under the law is a
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: biological woman. Unanimous decision. This is going to really upset
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: you can see from the reactions already it's upsetting the
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: transgender lobby. But that is the judgment. It says, Oh,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: this is not a victory from one side to the other,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: because you still can't discriminate or hurt women or men
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: identifying as women, transgender women. You can't do that. But
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: a woman is a woman. How about that? Isn't it amazing?
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: You need a judgment from a court in twenty twenty
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: five to say what people have known for absolutely centuries millennia. Anyway,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Joining me is Rowan Dean eds through in chief of
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: The Spectator Australia, hosts of Outsiders on every Sunday on
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: this station at nine am. Great show, as well as
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: his own show on Fridays at the same time that
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I have mine Monday to Thursday seven o'clock. So catch
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: that too, Rowan, Rowan, they do I have to pick
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: you up from the floor to that, Hastens said, of women,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: there's a woman.
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: Rather than thinking on my feet, I was going to
• 27:04
  Speaker 13: say You're going to have to have been knocked off
• 27:06
  Speaker 13: my feet. I've been absolutely stunned. What a fantastic piece
• 27:10
  Speaker 13: of news, and who'd have thought it out of ultra
• 27:13
  Speaker 13: woke Britain. Now just cast your mind back a couple
• 27:15
  Speaker 13: of years ago. Andrew even less, even asking the question
• 27:20
  Speaker 13: what is a woman sent bureaucrats, politicians, commentators into all
• 27:27
  Speaker 13: sorts of acrobatics and twistings and turnings trying to encompass
• 27:33
  Speaker 13: the fantasies and delusions of the transgender community. Now the
• 27:37
  Speaker 13: law has finally come down. The law only works, Andrew
• 27:40
  Speaker 13: if the law is based on common sense. We all
• 27:42
  Speaker 13: know that, and all these legal shenanigans that and there
• 27:46
  Speaker 13: are many people in Australia, some you know, off the
• 27:49
  Speaker 13: top of my head, well known names, who have been
• 27:52
  Speaker 13: fighting various court cases over this very issue to one
• 27:56
  Speaker 13: degree or another, about misgendering or the wrong name or
• 28:00
  Speaker 13: the wrong sex or whatever it might be. And the
• 28:03
  Speaker 13: reality is, Andrew, eventually we had to return to common sense.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: So this is terrific news.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: We're going to be spared all those circumlocations, Like you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: a woman is just a person with a uterus. I
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: remember that one Rowan that for a while though a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: person with a uterus or you know all that joke.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I remember the British Prime Minister having to try to
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: define a woman by something like that, not wanting it. Well,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: now you can do it and it's the law. That's
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: another interesting thing, a revolt against the woke rowan, another
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: fake fixed to a fake climate crisis. In my opinion,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I've always got to say. The lawyers say, oh, you've
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: got to say it's in your opinion. The Albany is
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: a government. It's trying to force us, as you know,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: to buy more electric cars, and it's handing out grants
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: for more batteries that back up you sold the panel
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: as well, batteries that tend to need a lot of nickel.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: And the world's largest supplier of nickel is Indonesia, where
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: nickel production looks like cloud of toxic smoker, toxic waste
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: pouring out as well huge emissions of forests leveled a
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: terrible work of safety. Now, the mayor of Queensland's Livingstonshire Council,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Adam Bellow, saw footage of all that on TV and
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: decided to make a stand against green hypocrisy. In fact,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: there's whole council's vote to suspend its plan to install
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: public charging stations for electric cars in Yepoon. What do
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: you make of that?
• 29:37
  Speaker 13: Well, again, fantastic common sense returning this time to local government,
• 29:42
  Speaker 13: but via the media, and it has been terrific. Our
• 29:46
  Speaker 13: own skysone Chris Ullman a few months ago did amazing
• 29:49
  Speaker 13: documentary on net zero. Now, Liam Bartlet, these are the
• 29:53
  Speaker 13: classic old Sky old style investigative journalists of the past
• 29:58
  Speaker 13: that we all used to look up to. They were
• 30:00
  Speaker 13: honest brokers. We knew they were only interested in the
• 30:03
  Speaker 13: story and didn't pursue their own ideology. Chris Ullman did
• 30:06
  Speaker 13: it with net zero here on sky Channel seven I
• 30:10
  Speaker 13: think it is. Liam Bartlett went out and did an
• 30:12
  Speaker 13: amazing expose of how corrupt the entire nickel industry is
• 30:19
  Speaker 13: in terms of the damaged under the environment, the damaged
• 30:22
  Speaker 13: under human lives, the dodgy practices going on in China,
• 30:25
  Speaker 13: and some terrific riveting stuff. And that's what the media
• 30:28
  Speaker 13: is supposed to do, and that's what investigative journalists I'm
• 30:31
  Speaker 13: supposed to do. In the ABC stopped doing it decades ago,
• 30:33
  Speaker 13: and rather it's just a propaganda arm now. But what
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: happens is then you see local counselors or local mays
• 30:39
  Speaker 13: or whoever it might politicians who go, oh, hay on
• 30:42
  Speaker 13: that story, that's really interesting. They look into it and
• 30:45
  Speaker 13: then they go, well, I don't want these ev charges
• 30:48
  Speaker 13: in my jurisdiction. I don't want to be responsible for
• 30:51
  Speaker 13: slave labor in some dodgy Chinese factory. I don't want
• 30:55
  Speaker 13: to have on my conscience these sorts of things. And
• 30:58
  Speaker 13: so they have it, They go through the proper processes
• 31:00
  Speaker 13: and they vote against it, and they say no, actually,
• 31:02
  Speaker 13: we don't want these electric these ev charges because of
• 31:05
  Speaker 13: the tail behind them of devastation to the environment and
• 31:09
  Speaker 13: devastation to human life. Good on them, Good on this
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: mayor what a great bloke. We need more local councilors,
• 31:15
  Speaker 13: more politicians sitting up and paying attention. One of the
• 31:19
  Speaker 13: great moments in that particular documentary, which is very relevant,
• 31:22
  Speaker 13: is when Liam Bartlett confronted Chris Bowen, who hopefully will
• 31:25
  Speaker 13: lose his seat within three weeks, and said, well, what
• 31:27
  Speaker 13: are you going to do about this? And of course
• 31:28
  Speaker 13: he obfuscated and had no answer whatsoever. But the reality is,
• 31:32
  Speaker 13: and this is where the coalition is to get very sharp,
• 31:36
  Speaker 13: very fast, very agile on their feet and saying this
• 31:39
  Speaker 13: is what net zero is all about.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: That's what it looks like, Rowan, this is net zero
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: in action. This is Chris Bowen's electric car policy. This
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: is what it looks like from Indonesia. I mean, it's
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: just so extraordinary and good on the Livingston Shire Council
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: and Mayor Bellow for saying, listen, if this is what
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: is about, we're not going to provide charging stations to
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: enable this kind of stuff. I mean, seriously, Rowan, what
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: has happened to the green movement with it? Look at
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: that and say okay, okay, we're okay with that.
• 32:16
  Speaker 13: Well, hopefully there's a new not green, but a new
• 32:20
  Speaker 13: pro conservative movement starting amongst the youth, which there is
• 32:24
  Speaker 13: who are going we don't like we know we've been
• 32:26
  Speaker 13: conned by this whole woke agenda and we're going to
• 32:29
  Speaker 13: fight against it. We've seen it in America, we're seeing
• 32:31
  Speaker 13: it in Europe. Hopefully we'll see it here in Australia.
• 32:34
  Speaker 13: But the Coalition needs to take advantage of the good
• 32:38
  Speaker 13: will of people who don't want on their conscience the
• 32:42
  Speaker 13: fact that they're trying to do the right thing by
• 32:44
  Speaker 13: what they've been told is the right thing evs or
• 32:46
  Speaker 13: whatever it is. But in fact they're doing far more
• 32:48
  Speaker 13: harm than good. And that is what labor is all about.
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: That's what the Greens all about. More importantly, that's what
• 32:53
  Speaker 13: the Teals are all about. And the faster the Coalition
• 32:57
  Speaker 13: come to grips with this argument, get on the right
• 33:00
  Speaker 13: sight of the argument, and if they want to win
• 33:02
  Speaker 13: this election, they've got to be saying to the electric
• 33:04
  Speaker 13: you know, there's a whole scam here with this climate
• 33:06
  Speaker 13: stuff which needs exposing.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I love it that you're such an optimist Roan. Do
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: you really think they're going to make that new turn
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: with only two weeks ago.
• 33:17
  Speaker 13: But they've got three Come on, guys, RHONDI.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: It always great to talk to you. Thank you very much.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I just wonder, by the way, whether others are going
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: to follow this excellent example of this Queensland Council and
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: think of particularly the Smart Energy Council Labeling Climate Charity
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: has been taking thousands of dollars from clean energy firms that,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: by the way, being blacklisted in the United States over
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: suspicions that they use slave labor. And one of the
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Council's senior advisors, Simon Holmes, the court head of Climate
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: two hundred, the group that funds that deal. Politicians, you
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: couldn't make a fast funnier than that. I don't get
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: it anyway. After the break Bruce Pascoe, I mean talking
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: about farces. Bruce Pasco doesn't just falsely claim that he's Aboriginal.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: He has now amazed nearly twenty of his mates by
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: naming them as Aboriginal too. There's such an interesting twist
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: at a telling twist to a face that I've covered
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: for years now. Now one clear example that truth today
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: is dead. I mean it's dead to the ABC, it's
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: dead to our universities, it's dead to our radis festivals.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I'm talking, of course, about Professor Bruce Pascoe, author of
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: the best seller Dark Image Taught in schools. Again, the
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: issue is no longer where the Pasco, the white guy
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: on the right, there is a fake Aborigine. I mean
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: he is a fake. The much more important issue is
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: that so many of our cultural institutions still insist on
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: pretending its Aboriginal. We're surely almost all Australia has now
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: heard that it's genealogical record show that he's one hundred
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: percent of English ancestry. But now to the twift it
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: turns out that Bruce Pasco doesn't just falsely claim his
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: aboriginal He's falsely claimed a lot of his former mates
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: for aboriginal, too, and it's now being caught out. In
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: one essay, Pasco writes that not only is football great
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Lee Matthew's aboriginal, some are about twenty locals that Pasco
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: once played sport with, and he writes, my brothers, you
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: are aboriginal. Some of you don't know, some of you
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: know it and deny it, some don't care, and some
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: simply don't know because your mother made me promise not
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: to tell. And he names them twenty of them and
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: says there are hundreds more he could also name, but
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: author Tony Thomas has checked up on them and written
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: up the results in Quadron Online. Tony Thomas joins me, Now, Tony,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: always pleasure to talk to you. First of all, why
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: did you think, Look, I'm going to look up these
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: twenty guys and see if they are Aboriginal like Bruce Pascoe.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: What made you think that? Well?
• 36:02
  Speaker 14: I was researching all his books and I found that
• 36:04
  Speaker 14: this list of names was in two books, not just one.
• 36:08
  Speaker 14: And the other thing is that Apollo Bay is a
• 36:11
  Speaker 14: very small town, and so chucking this sort of stuff
• 36:16
  Speaker 14: around in a small town can be pretty pretty deadly.
• 36:19
  Speaker 14: So I thought the whole thing was bizarre and decided
• 36:22
  Speaker 14: to go and look into it.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: And the results, oh well.
• 36:30
  Speaker 14: I got on to a capital Wayne Garner at Colac
• 36:35
  Speaker 14: and he emailed me that he wasn't Aboriginal and he'd
• 36:38
  Speaker 14: never read and didn't want to read any of Bruce
• 36:41
  Speaker 14: Pasco's dribble. I think he meant drivell anyway. He said
• 36:45
  Speaker 14: Bruce should let his gum leaves dry out a bit
• 36:49
  Speaker 14: longer before he rushes into print.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: The most prominent on Bruce's.
• 36:54
  Speaker 14: List is Warren Riches, who's a fourth generation dairy farmer,
• 37:00
  Speaker 14: time Shih councilor and two times as mayor. On top
• 37:04
  Speaker 14: of that, he was president of the Victorian Country Cricket
• 37:07
  Speaker 14: League for a good many years and a Hall of
• 37:10
  Speaker 14: Fame member. Well, he emailed me that he wasn't Aboriginal,
• 37:14
  Speaker 14: he wasn't Bruce's Aboriginal brother, and he just wanted everybody
• 37:18
  Speaker 14: to be taken equally. The saddest name on the list
• 37:22
  Speaker 14: was Jerry Minke of Malakuta. Jerry was supposed by Bruce
• 37:27
  Speaker 14: to be Aboriginal, but he was born in Hilversum, near Amsterdam.
• 37:32
  Speaker 14: Andrew I believe you've got some Dutch handecedents there. And
• 37:37
  Speaker 14: he didn't get to Australia till he was eleven years
• 37:40
  Speaker 14: old in nineteen fifty three, so he's certainly a strange
• 37:43
  Speaker 14: sort of Aborigine. But the sad part is that he
• 37:47
  Speaker 14: married a young New Zealand woman called Mary, and they
• 37:50
  Speaker 14: were on the seventeen airliner that was shot down by
• 37:55
  Speaker 14: the Russians over Ukraine, and he was flying I noticed
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: on a Dutch passport and his wife was the only
• 38:03
  Speaker 14: New Zealander on the plane. So his family thought that
• 38:07
  Speaker 14: there might be a case of mistaken identity. But there
• 38:09
  Speaker 14: aren't any other Jerry Menkes around. And I've discovered that
• 38:13
  Speaker 14: both Jerry and Bruce both used to play soccer. I
• 38:17
  Speaker 14: don't know together, but they both used to play soccer
• 38:20
  Speaker 14: at Malacouta. There was also a concreteor who had been
• 38:23
  Speaker 14: killed in not twenty sixteen.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: By his runaway truck.
• 38:28
  Speaker 14: I tracked down his family from all over and he
• 38:31
  Speaker 14: wasn't in any way Aboriginal. So of the whole list
• 38:34
  Speaker 14: of twenty, I think at the most just a couple
• 38:37
  Speaker 14: might have been one or two or three were actually
• 38:40
  Speaker 14: with any Aboriginal descent.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: And what does it tell you? Then? What's the import here?
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: You know? What does it tell you about Australia. There,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: this Bruce Pasco is still promoted by the ABC, still
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: employed by Melbourne University, and these books are still published
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: without any rata. Whoops, he might have got a few
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: things wrong here.
• 39:04
  Speaker 14: Yeah, well, there's nothing negative about having any Aboriginal ancestry.
• 39:09
  Speaker 14: But it was very sort of naff of Bruce to
• 39:12
  Speaker 14: start throwing a round names saying that these people are Aboriginal,
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  Speaker 14: whether they want to be denied or whatever or not.
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  Speaker 14: And the other point is that the first book in
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  Speaker 14: which he has this list was published by a very
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  Speaker 14: reputable Aboriginal studies press that's housed within the Prime Minister's Department,
• 39:31
  Speaker 14: and the Institute there of Aboriginal Studies is funded to
• 39:36
  Speaker 14: thirty million a year these days by the taxpayers. And
• 39:41
  Speaker 14: they say they told me that if they ever published
• 39:44
  Speaker 14: the book again, they'll correct it. But I think the
• 39:48
  Speaker 14: book should be pulped straight away.
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  Speaker 2: And so the real.
• 39:52
  Speaker 14: Question is why does Bruce have so much credibility?
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  Speaker 1: This is another example where his.
• 39:58
  Speaker 14: Credibility is quite shot by any sort of standard of authors.
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  Speaker 2: Or and yet he's propped up. He's propped up, Tony.
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  Speaker 2: It is an extraordinary insight into the refusal of so
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  Speaker 2: many intelligent people otherwise seemingly to believe in something they
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: must know in their heart is false. Tony Thomas, thank
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: you so much, indeed for your time after the break.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: And look, I'm feeling bad about a column that I've
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: written for the newspapers today. It will be in the
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: papers tomorrow morning about the liberals. And I just wonder
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: whether gemant On India and Christa McSweeney, you are coming
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: up now, will forgive me after this? I feeling guilty
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: tonight we're going to write my newspaper columns or indeed
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: for the show. I tend to write exactly what's on
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: my mind without properly considering the consequences you press sending.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Then think, oh, WHOA, what have I done well? Today?
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I thought i'd write about Donald Trump how he is
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: really hurting the liberal campaign, But then I started list
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: problems with the liberals themselves, and I didn't hold back,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: and now I feel really sorry for the candidates. Some
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: of my friends are now reading that the Liberal campaign
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: has already fall into bits because of some very poor decisions,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: and this is with them still having to work for
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: two and a half weeks. I won't go through all
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: the lists, go d it yourself, but joining me are
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: two communications consultants, Gematonini as Scarny is regular and Christy
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: McSweeney has worked for Coalition prime ministers and premiers Laddies. Look,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I think the Coalition really should win this election because
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Labor's been so very very bad at governing. But I
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: also can't help but admit the Coalition's campaign is just
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: not being good. And I feel sorry for the friends
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: who won't like me make me saying so so early
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: in the story. But am I wrong here, jem Mary?
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Should I be sorry that it is in fact the
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: case that it's not good? Am I wrong? Maybe?
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: I don't think that's the right question, Andrew.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I think the right question is why should we be
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: focusing on the optics and this and the cosmetics of campaigning,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: which bears very very infrequently on the veracity or ability
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: of a government to govern. Case in point, the Albanesi government,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: which campaigned brilliantly last time around and have governed absolutely appallingly.
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: So look, I understand the point you're making.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: But the counter question I would like to ask is
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: do the people tonight watching our show and watching other channels,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: if they dare, do they look through the same lens
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: that we look through in our industry and our sector,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: or do they look past that and say, I recognize
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: this government's been a disaster.
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: I want anyone but them.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: I wonder still if there are shades of twenty nineteen
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: at play here.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Look, I totally agree with you, Christy. I mean, this
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: is the story for me of the campaign. I've said
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: it again and again and again more than the Liberals
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: have said it. Labour's campaign is based on Central lies,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Medicare lie, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, six hundred billion
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: dollar nuclear reactor that's a lie, you know, face facts.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Labor is winning precisely because of this campaign. The flim
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: flam and the journalists are falling for it.
• 43:10
  Speaker 12: Well, Look, Andrew, I've worked on every coalition campaign since
• 43:14
  Speaker 12: two thousand and four, showing my age here, but I've
• 43:17
  Speaker 12: also got experience of when we ran campaigns that didn't
• 43:21
  Speaker 12: have the added social media immediacy as part of them. Now,
• 43:26
  Speaker 12: that's something that Labor captured very well. They were the
• 43:29
  Speaker 12: first people to capture it in two thousand and seven
• 43:31
  Speaker 12: with Kevin O.
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: Seven.
• 43:32
  Speaker 12: With the event of Facebook, the Coalition had caught up
• 43:37
  Speaker 12: in recent years and we're doing absolutely fantastic with social media.
• 43:42
  Speaker 12: I've got great social media strategists coming from New Zealand,
• 43:47
  Speaker 12: from the United States who successfully won elections to the
• 43:51
  Speaker 12: National Party in New Zealand and the Republicans in the US.
• 43:55
  Speaker 12: I feel that Labour's really doubled down its bed on
• 43:57
  Speaker 12: social media, partly because they have to battle the Greens
• 44:02
  Speaker 12: for that youth vote. And I've seen a lot of
• 44:05
  Speaker 12: the vox pops coming out from TV journalists interviewing young
• 44:10
  Speaker 12: people who are just purely getting their news from social media.
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: So the format of how we campaign has changed.
• 44:17
  Speaker 12: People are targeting specific demographics in different ways, and so
• 44:22
  Speaker 12: to the point just previously made, yes, people are looking
• 44:26
  Speaker 12: at campaigns through a different lens. Political insiders are always
• 44:30
  Speaker 12: going to have a different view, but the majority of
• 44:33
  Speaker 12: the population, they aren't watching the way we watch, and
• 44:37
  Speaker 12: they aren't watching the way we traditionally have thought.
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: They did either.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I know, it's just incredible to me that you can
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: win re election by running a good campaign, even though
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: you've been an absolute shiit government. I just cannot believe it.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: For instance, Jena, let's get to the real stuff, not
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: the campaign flam. I mean both both of you have
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: been in business for years. Jimmy, you've been in business
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: for twenty two years running a company. It must strive
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: for you. Absolutely nuts to see labor handing out billions
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: and billions of dollars in handouts and grants and this
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: and that without promising anything. It doesn't any will have
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: to pay for it.
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it doesn't mean anything.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: I mean those of us, there's there's you know, to
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: reiterate what I wrote in my weekend column last in
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: last Weekend's Australian. You know, the SEME sector is thirty
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: two percent of the GDP, employing five million Australians. And
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: we all know, every single one of us knows whether
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: you're at the s end of the spectrum or the
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: e end of that SEME spectrum. We all know that
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: you need to budget forecast, you know, align your forecast
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: with your actuals. You can't just print money and promise
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: crap that you don't deliver. I actually feel contempt for
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: this government in that respect because.
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: It's absolutely crystal clear they don't have a clue.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: And then walking around as you say, going, oh, everyone
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: gets a car, you get a car, you get money here,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: money there. Fantasy health policy fantasy, how policy based on
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: absolutely God knows what, it doesn't mean. Anything is absolutely
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: without substance, and everyone should know that if God forbid
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: they should.
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: Get re elected. That goes all out the window.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: There's nothing, there is no binding, you know.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Primate policy as well. Yeah, well that fantasy, fantasy fantasy.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Talking about fantasy, how about how about this Christie former
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Labor treasure Main Swan, Right, he's coming back from the
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Labor National Conference, from the Labor campaign launch, you know, labor, Labor, Labor.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: He's posted a picture of two other labor heroes, environment
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Ministertenia Pilips former Labor Prime Minister Julia Gillard. But check this.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: The picture on the right is the one that Swan
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: posted strangely with the background cropped out. When you see
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: the original on the left, you see why. It's the
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: new Quantus Chairman's lounge. So modern labor is actually very
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: well healed, labor, Pampa pampered. Now, why do you think
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Swan would prop burn out Christy mcsweeny, Well, I.
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: Don't know, Andrew.
• 47:05
  Speaker 12: I mean, he has been lauded as the world's greatest treasurer.
• 47:08
  Speaker 12: Maybe he understands a strategy about photography that you and
• 47:12
  Speaker 12: I don't. But of course, labor politicians and I think
• 47:16
  Speaker 12: that was exactly as you said off the back of
• 47:18
  Speaker 12: the Labor conference. They don't want to be caught in
• 47:21
  Speaker 12: the Quantus chairman's lounge, do they. We know that Labor
• 47:25
  Speaker 12: has a very cozy relationship with Quantus as well. We
• 47:29
  Speaker 12: know Quantus when we're all in on the voice and
• 47:31
  Speaker 12: painted delivery of the plane, we all know that they
• 47:35
  Speaker 12: want to keep things very nicely done with the TWU
• 47:39
  Speaker 12: and stock Katar, So we know.
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: That that's a really cozy relationship.
• 47:43
  Speaker 12: We know politicians of any party love their chairman's lounge.
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: No one likes it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 12: When it runs out and you lose election, you say bye,
• 47:53
  Speaker 12: you get that call from Quantus, you can't but cost
• 47:57
  Speaker 12: of living crisis, labor for the workers. No one wants
• 48:00
  Speaker 12: to be seen quaffing the champagne and sitting in.
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: There, do they?
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Labis for the workers in first class. That's what it is. Jemma,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I've got ten seconds. What do you make of that?
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: Well, I am not a member of the chairman's lounge.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: However, I have been a guest on occasion, and I
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: don't believe you're allowed to take photos inside the chairman's lounge,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: so maybe that's part of it as well. But I'm
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: with Christy. This is nothing better than a socialist on
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: the with a snout in the trough.
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: It's just true to form.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Labis come a long way. Christ I McSweeney, gemmen doon
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: NINNI thank you very much to you, but that's it
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: for me. Coming up now, Sharon Matson, good night,