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The Gun Writer Exposes ATF Abuses · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: If I passed the hour. It's the second hour here
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  Speaker 1: Friday in the Morning Show with Preston Scott. Great to
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  Speaker 1: be with you. He is Jose, I am Preston. It
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  Speaker 1: is show fifty three forty six, and once a month
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  Speaker 1: he is kind enough to make time for us. And
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  Speaker 1: he is Lee Williams, the gun Writer and the website
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  Speaker 1: Thegunwriter dot substack dot com. Lee. How in the world
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  Speaker 1: are you, sir?
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  Speaker 2: Busy brother? How are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing well? I would just before we talk about
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  Speaker 1: all the things that they are to talk about, and
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  Speaker 1: there are a bunch of them. How do you kind
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  Speaker 1: of prioritize where you focus your attention as well as
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  Speaker 1: the attention of you know, gun owners of America and
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  Speaker 1: all that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I try and come up with my own stories.
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  Speaker 2: I try and break my stories, and brother, they come
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  Speaker 2: to me. I mean, we have a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: still in a lot of bad situations that need help.
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  Speaker 2: They just want want some help. So try our best
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  Speaker 2: and that's what happens.
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  Speaker 1: What's the latest on Patrick tad adamiak.
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  Speaker 2: Well. I wrote a story a couple of days ago,
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  Speaker 2: March eighteenth, calling on President Trump to pardon him. The
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  Speaker 2: guy was going to be a Navy Seal officer, had
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  Speaker 2: been accepted by the Navy Seals. He was jailed for
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  Speaker 2: no reason other than the ATF screwed up. They got
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  Speaker 2: some bad information from a source. They kicked down Patrick's door,
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  Speaker 2: pointed guns at him. He's a twenty eight year old
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  Speaker 2: East six in the Navy, went through his house, went
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  Speaker 2: through a safe. Couldn't find anything illegal because Patrick was very,
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  Speaker 2: very careful. He had a very good part time business
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  Speaker 2: going lot of sales. A lot of military will have
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  Speaker 2: a part time job, and this was his. He collected
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  Speaker 2: firearms and firearm parts. Every single thing they found was
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  Speaker 2: perfectly legal. Every single thing they found was perfectly great.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, then they enter in Jeffrey Bodell, who
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  Speaker 2: is ATFS, who is ATS Firearms enforcement officer. He takes
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  Speaker 2: a toy Steen gun. You can order it in the mail.
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  Speaker 2: They'll send it to your house, and he inserts a
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  Speaker 2: real Steen barrel and a real Stem magazine and a
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  Speaker 2: real Steen submachine gun action and gets it the fire
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  Speaker 2: one round, said it's a machine gun. He test fired
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  Speaker 2: five of Patrick's guns, his handguns, said that they were
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  Speaker 2: semi autos, but they were full automatic. I mean it
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  Speaker 2: goes on and on and on. So I mean, Patrick's
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  Speaker 2: on his second of twenty years in state prison, in
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  Speaker 2: a prison in a federal prison in New Jersey. So
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  Speaker 2: unless unless President Trump does something, he's going to spend
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  Speaker 2: he's going to get out of jail in eighteen more years.
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  Speaker 2: And this kid is so committed. All he wants to
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  Speaker 2: do is get out, go back into the Navy and
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  Speaker 2: be a seal.
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  Speaker 1: What's the legal side of this from his defense team
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  Speaker 1: or those stepping up trying to help.
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  Speaker 2: There are some legal moves that the defense is trying
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  Speaker 2: to do. However, they're at the appellate level. They're based
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  Speaker 2: on some Supreme Court decisions. They may or may not happen. Brother,
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  Speaker 2: nothing's guaranteed. Sure a presidential pardon, he'd be out of
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  Speaker 2: jail tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: A pardon, does that erase it from his record?
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  Speaker 2: It could, Yeah, it certainly could, and he would be
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  Speaker 2: free to do whatever he wants to do. He is
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  Speaker 2: forgiven for whatever he screwed up, even though in this
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  Speaker 2: case he clearly didn't screw anything up.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned just a few minutes ago and in
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  Speaker 1: your story the guy with ATF that really maybe committed
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  Speaker 1: some crimes in and of himself, Jeffrey Bodell. How is
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  Speaker 1: he still with it or is he just one of
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  Speaker 1: those guys that you know, Cash Betel's going to get
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  Speaker 1: to him. When he gets to him.
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  Speaker 2: I think Cash doesn't know his name. Cash is God God.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he has so much on his plate. I
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  Speaker 2: hope his people look into Firearms Enforcement Officer Jeffrey Brodell
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  Speaker 2: because he perjured himself. He performed actions meant to buttress
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  Speaker 2: ATFS horrible search warrant that never should have happened to
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  Speaker 2: this guy. This guy's doing twenty years because of pats
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  Speaker 2: are because of jeff Bodell, and that should never have happened.
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  Speaker 1: Lee, I came across a story back March thirteenth, and
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  Speaker 1: it was on town Hall and it said, the ATF
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want you to know about its gun surveillance program.
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  Speaker 1: These orgs are fighting back and an organization you are
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  Speaker 1: part of is one of those. Tell us about that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, ATF has so many tricks up their sleeve. They
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  Speaker 2: have software, they have individual I don't know of any
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  Speaker 2: government organization that takes themselves so seriously on what they do. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: ATF is spying. ATF has accumulated millions and millions and
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  Speaker 2: millions of the names of people who had legally purchased guns,
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  Speaker 2: and they have them in a file and they're not
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  Speaker 2: supposed to by via federal law. I mean, it's which avenue,
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  Speaker 2: don't do you want to talk about what they're doing wrong.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's insane, and no one's tell them accountable because
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden has used them as his personal personal bully
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  Speaker 2: boys to keep us all in check. Now all that's changing,
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  Speaker 2: thank goodness. But it's just a matter of what comes
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  Speaker 2: out first. I know, Biden's staff is incredible. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Trump's staff is incredibly busy right now. But at some
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  Speaker 2: point ATF has to be put on top shelf and
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  Speaker 2: they have to be uh drilled down on.
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  Speaker 1: There. There's an inside this story. It says that that
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  Speaker 1: your organization put a freedom of information request out four
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  Speaker 1: years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's a that's typically ATF.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a freedom of information acts that they'll probably
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  Speaker 2: you know, be handled now during Trump. But man, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you talked three or four years old. That's nothing for ATF.
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  Speaker 2: They ignore it. They ignore them. I've never seen a
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  Speaker 2: federal agency that operates like them. Before ever even FBI.
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  Speaker 2: They'll turn over documents that make themselves look bad. ATF won't.
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  Speaker 1: What's interesting to me about this is that it's not
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  Speaker 1: just the ATF. In this particular case, a court has
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  Speaker 1: has sided with them and putting a gag order on
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  Speaker 1: the the things that that you all want people to
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  Speaker 1: know under. What was the justification for the gag order?
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea. There are so many of these
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  Speaker 2: things now that are out there, and for me to
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  Speaker 2: keep track of all of them would be a full
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  Speaker 2: time job. Seriously, because we you know, the federal government
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  Speaker 2: is supposed to cooperate with anyone who files a FOIA request.
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  Speaker 2: ATF does not.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get to your most recent story in the
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  Speaker 1: next segment, I want to just get your thoughts on
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  Speaker 1: the ruling that came down. We talked about it the
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  Speaker 1: other day, the ghost gun ruling by the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 1: I was surprised at the seven to two ruling.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was blown away. I think there's nothing wrong
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  Speaker 2: with a gun without a serial number in Florida. Here,
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  Speaker 2: I have several ghost guns or guns without serial numbers
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  Speaker 2: that were mailed to me by the manufacturers, and I
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  Speaker 2: put them together. I had a great time doing each
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  Speaker 2: of them. Both of them are our block typed handgun.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see why the Supreme Court came down the
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  Speaker 2: way they did, other than they need to be educated more.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you put the finishing touches on these firearms.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like the term ghost guns. It's just you know,
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  Speaker 2: before the sixties, firearms didn't have serial numbers. Anyway, I
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  Speaker 2: don't see any big deal about it.
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  Speaker 1: So is there any chance, I mean, how does this
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  Speaker 1: issue find its way back since they've allegedly settled it.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to need a law. We will need a
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  Speaker 2: federal law that changes this because this is wrong. Man.
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  Speaker 1: He's the gun writer. The gun writer dot substack dot
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  Speaker 1: com is the website the latest story from Lee Williams. Lee.
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  Speaker 1: What fascinated me not just the story obviously, as always
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  Speaker 1: brilliantly written, it's where it happens. This is in Massachusetts. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: tell us the story.
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  Speaker 2: A small gun club located about fifty miles northwest of Boston.
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  Speaker 2: And it's small. It's the Fort Devns Rifle and Pistol Club, Inc.
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  Speaker 2: They you know, most of the guys are veterans. They
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  Speaker 2: were going out to the Fort. They were shooting using
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  Speaker 2: the ranges for free. I mean, these guys brought their
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  Speaker 2: own range safety officers. They have targets, AMMO, they police
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  Speaker 2: their own brass. These guys were nobody's problem, whatsoever. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden gets elected and in twenty twenty his administration
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  Speaker 2: tells the club, oh yeah, now you got it. You're
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  Speaker 2: gonna pay two hundred and fifty dollars per range. If
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  Speaker 2: you want two ranges, that'll be five hundred three range
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  Speaker 2: would be seven to fifty, and the fees would increase
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  Speaker 2: based upon the number the total number of shooters. Well,
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  Speaker 2: that hit the gun club hard because they're a small,
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  Speaker 2: small group, so I mean half of them seem to
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  Speaker 2: be lawyers. They filed suit in twenty twenty two, claiming
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  Speaker 2: that the Ford officials were charging range fees in biol
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  Speaker 2: the federal law. And by the way, it does violate
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  Speaker 2: federal law. According to the club treasurer Jim Gettens, as
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  Speaker 2: he put it on Monday, when I wrote the story,
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  Speaker 2: it's a David versus Goliath event. I mean, the range
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  Speaker 2: went through several officers. Everybody lied they were running an
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  Speaker 2: illegal profit curing racket. Getting said. The funny thing is
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  Speaker 2: and the funnies in finger quotes is they're still charging.
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  Speaker 2: They have a lot of non d D law enforcement
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  Speaker 2: that comes out there, state police, municipal police, some federal guys, ICE, FBI,
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  Speaker 2: US Customs. They're still paying for their range opportunity even
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  Speaker 2: though they shouldn't be. Yet. The Civilian Club, because they sued,
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  Speaker 2: does not have to. I tried to get the US
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  Speaker 2: attorney who was involved in the case, Julian and Kansa
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  Speaker 2: nor but he wouldn't call me back. I dealt with
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  Speaker 2: one of his people there at the US Attorney's office
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  Speaker 2: for an entire day trying to get somebody to comment
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  Speaker 2: on it. Of course nobody would. Nobody has to, but
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  Speaker 2: and it really made me upset. However, the club is
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  Speaker 2: back in, and I mean these guys aren't even going
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  Speaker 2: out on the weekends because after nine to eleven they said,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, no more civilians on weekends because that's when
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  Speaker 2: we're usually busy, even though if you drive out there,
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  Speaker 2: the ranges are not that busy. But they won. The
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  Speaker 2: judge kicked it back. They're out there during the week
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  Speaker 2: holding their small events and they're all smiling. Man.
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  Speaker 1: It just makes you think about the number of times
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  Speaker 1: that no one has the resources or they just don't
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  Speaker 1: find the energy to fight the government on crap like this.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that is the takeaway, That is the supreme lesson
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  Speaker 2: here is if your rights are being violated, you need
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  Speaker 2: to take action. I don't care who's president, because obviously
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  Speaker 2: this occurred during Biden. But these things take a while,
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  Speaker 2: and they take a while to be resolved. And it
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  Speaker 2: was resolved, and everything's good now out there, and I
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  Speaker 2: could not be happy. I'm going to go out and
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  Speaker 2: shoot there, hopefully in the near future, because these guys
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  Speaker 2: are pros and and they handled it right. Rather than
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  Speaker 2: you know, just griping and complaining, they took some action
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  Speaker 2: and that's exactly what they needed legally. He is also
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  Speaker 2: pretty good attorneys.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me this, Lee, what what is your appraisal? What
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  Speaker 1: are your hopes with cash Paatel and Pam BONDI now
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  Speaker 1: over this this arena in general.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's difficult to understand how busy mister Patel is.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to see I want to see him
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  Speaker 2: destroy ATF. I've written over two hundred stories on ATF
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  Speaker 2: over my twelve years doing this, and it is a
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  Speaker 2: criminal organization masquerading as a federal law enforcement agency. It
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  Speaker 2: needs to go and he needs to take care of it.
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  Speaker 2: That right, there would be a lasting value that would
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  Speaker 2: be incredible, and that needs to happen soon because you
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  Speaker 2: look at what they're doing. You look at the doors
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  Speaker 2: they're kicking for no reason, and the people that are
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  Speaker 2: getting shocked and killed right because they think they're burglars
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  Speaker 2: coming into their house at five am instead of ATF
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  Speaker 2: agents who cut the power before they go in. I
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  Speaker 2: mean ATF needs to go.
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  Speaker 1: Does it take an act? Does it take an Act
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  Speaker 1: of Congress to get rid of it?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it will. I don't care. It's worth it. They
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  Speaker 2: need to go. They are not doing law enforcement at ATF.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough, Lee, thank you for all the work you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Look forward to the next set of articles
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  Speaker 1: and we'll talk again next month.
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  Speaker 2: Tom's great. Thank you, Take care, Thank.
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  Speaker 1: You, sir. Lee Willilliams The gun Writer dot substack dot com.
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  Speaker 1: That's where you go subscribe get the work of Lee Williams.
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  Speaker 1: Our guest here in the Morning Show with Preston Scott