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Gorgeous Mom Cassie Carli Missing After Her Baby Girl Found · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous young mom and
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Speaker 1: her little girl, just four year old sailor go missing.
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Speaker 1: Where is Cassie? I mean, I see Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at w E A
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Speaker 1: r TV. This is the woman Cassie Carly. She was
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Speaker 1: last seen on Sunday, Sunday night. We are in of
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Speaker 1: our beach, so right when you get off the bridge
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Speaker 1: to the right, there's the boat ramp here. And we
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Speaker 1: are told by a friend of hers that on Sunday
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Speaker 1: she was scheduled to meet up with the father of
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Speaker 1: her daughter and to get her daughter exchange custody. As
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Speaker 1: any of you with children in that situation know how
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Speaker 1: that works. They were supposed to meet here so she
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Speaker 1: can get her daughter and was scheduled to go meet
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Speaker 1: with her dad afterwards. Hours passed and she never showed
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Speaker 1: up to her dad's house. Her dad was concerned. Later
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Speaker 1: received a text message saying that Cassie was having some
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Speaker 1: sort of car and phone trouble, and then some time
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Speaker 1: later after that was when he had heard from the
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Speaker 1: child's father saying that he thought she might be at
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Speaker 1: the friend that I talked to his house, which that
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Speaker 1: friend tells me is not true. Joining me and All
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Speaker 1: Star panel to make sense of what we know regarding
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Speaker 1: where is Cassie Carly. First of all, Sam Porter, her
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Speaker 1: longtime friend who is working very hard on finding her.
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Speaker 1: Whereabouts Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags an
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Speaker 1: hosted today, would doctor Wendy on KCBQ, Doctor Debbie Joffy,
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Speaker 1: Ella Psychologists joining US professor Columbia University, and author Robert
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Speaker 1: Freschett joining US Detector with Rochester PD from the Strafford
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Speaker 1: County Family Justice Center. But first straight out to Nicole Parton,
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Speaker 1: joining US Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm not clear on when Cassie and her daughter Sailor
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Speaker 1: exactly go missing. Could you please reconstruct what we know
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Speaker 1: of that night? Sure, Nancy. So what we know is
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Speaker 1: that Cassie had been spotted and we know her last
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Speaker 1: whereabouts was around seven pm Sunday evening. Seven pm Sunday evening.
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Speaker 1: She's there at Navari Beach. We know that she's well,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, when you say there at Navari Beach.
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Speaker 1: She was out on the beach. She was not a
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Speaker 1: shopping center. What she was in a parking lot near
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Speaker 1: a barngreel a little cast say there, which is the
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Speaker 1: spot where she had arranged to meet her daughter's father
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Speaker 1: so that they could exchange the child. Kind of a
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Speaker 1: public place. It's near a boat round, So she was
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Speaker 1: she was spotted in the parking lot, is that correct?
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Speaker 1: That's correct? Did she have the daughter sailor with her?
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Speaker 1: Those reports are unclear. There is no confirmation that anyone
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Speaker 1: saw the child at that point. Cassie Catherine Carly last
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Speaker 1: seen in Navar Beach, Sana Rosa County on Sunday evening.
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Speaker 1: This according to what the local sheriff has to say,
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Speaker 1: she was last seen almost four days. Now. Can you
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Speaker 1: speak to whether that's concerning to keep going yet another
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Speaker 1: day with no sign of her. Oh yeah, it's very concerning.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and we take everything seriously. Missing
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Speaker 1: person's cases, a lot of them. You know, we find
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Speaker 1: the person, everything's fine, but usually you don't go four
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Speaker 1: days without hearing from them or them using a credit
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Speaker 1: card or a cell phone or something. And right as
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Speaker 1: of now, we have none of that, so, yeah, we're concerned.
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Speaker 1: So you can confirm that she's had no cell phone
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Speaker 1: or credit card activity since Sunday that we're aware of. Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that's why we have you know, we didn't just
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Speaker 1: assign a detective. Our entire major Crimes unit is working this.
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Speaker 1: So you've got ten detectives that that's pretty much all
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Speaker 1: they're doing right now is trying to locate Cassie. So
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Speaker 1: Nicole Parton, we know she's in a parking lot, but
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Speaker 1: we don't know if the little girl's sailor is with
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Speaker 1: her or not. That's correct. So there is no confirmation
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Speaker 1: that her daughter's sailor was with her at that point.
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Speaker 1: There's no eyes that were laid on the child, so
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Speaker 1: it's unclear if the daughter was there at that seven
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Speaker 1: o'clock meeting. Now, this was on a Sunday night, correct,
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Speaker 1: That's right, Sunday night, seven pm. To Robert Freschette joining
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Speaker 1: US detective Rochester PD with a Strafford County family just
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Speaker 1: as center, Robert, again, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Typically a Sunday night, the crime rate goes down. Why
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Speaker 1: is that. There's a lot of factors that play into
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Speaker 1: crime rates. Correct? I mean, so you know, from your
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Speaker 1: experience as a prosecutor, you know, we'll have weekend days
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Speaker 1: that are really busy, in other days that in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the week that are also really busy, and
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Speaker 1: vice versa. So crime rates are contingent upon the agenda
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Speaker 1: of the person committing the crime, right and so depending
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Speaker 1: on who was seeking to harmless lady, assuming that's what's happened,
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Speaker 1: would depend on, you know, when they might look to
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Speaker 1: engage in that behavior. We see crime rates start rising
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Speaker 1: on Thursdays, they go up on Fridays, they peak on Saturdays. Why,
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Speaker 1: think about it, People are not at work as much.
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Speaker 1: They have the ability to drink and do drugs more
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Speaker 1: so than they would during the week. They're not at work,
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Speaker 1: so they're out on the roads more. They're out and about.
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Speaker 1: And we also crime rates going up in warm weather,
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Speaker 1: why because people are out and about. On Sunday nights, However,
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Speaker 1: Sunday evenings we find crime rates rights start going down
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Speaker 1: a tiny bit. Why because people are getting ready for
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Speaker 1: the next day at work. Wendy Patrick, It's been true
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Speaker 1: from the get go. Yeah, that's true. And you know,
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Speaker 1: one of the other reasons crime rates go up is
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Speaker 1: think about the potential victim pool that's available on weekends
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Speaker 1: as opposed to during the week True, you also have
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Speaker 1: those people that are you know, they're not at work,
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Speaker 1: they're out, maybe they're drinking, they're under the influence, they're vulnerable.
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Speaker 1: So you see a lot of reasons why it would
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Speaker 1: peek over the weekend. But on Sunday night things begin
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Speaker 1: to calm down for all of the reasons that make
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Speaker 1: get more dangerous over the weekend. So it is a
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Speaker 1: bit unusual to have something terrible happen on a Sunday night.
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Speaker 1: I find it also interesting Robert frost set joining me
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Speaker 1: detector from Rochester p D who's certainly seen his share
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Speaker 1: of crimes. Robert, if she had been taken in a
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Speaker 1: parking lot, I mean, it has happened before, and it
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Speaker 1: will happen again. That's a pretty open area for witnesses
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Speaker 1: to observe what's happening. Absolutely, that's and that's why people
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Speaker 1: do these exchanges in public places because there are people around,
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Speaker 1: and so we would hope that there would be a
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Speaker 1: witness that would have seen her or whomever she was
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Speaker 1: meeting if it was for a custom exchange, and that
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Speaker 1: has seen a sailor as well. You know another thing
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Speaker 1: that's good about it though, back to Nicole parton, I
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Speaker 1: want to find out what, if anything, you know about
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Speaker 1: the particular parking lot was the what was the name
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Speaker 1: of the shopping center? Do you know, Nicole Um? It's
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Speaker 1: not a shopping center per se, but it's at the
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Speaker 1: boat ramp there at Navarre Beach. So the boat ramp
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Speaker 1: is there a couple of restaurants. What's the name of
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Speaker 1: the restaurants. It's the one agreeal and it's right by
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Speaker 1: the by the boat doc um. It's a popular little
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Speaker 1: destination for boaters coming in and out to grab a
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Speaker 1: bite to eat. And also seven o'clock at night, the
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Speaker 1: boats are starting to come in. They've been enjoying a
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Speaker 1: day out on the water. Seven o'clock we're getting dusky
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Speaker 1: here in Florida, and so those boats are coming in.
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Speaker 1: So I would anticipate there's a lot happening in that
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Speaker 1: parking lot, a lot of people starting their dinner and
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Speaker 1: a lot of boaters pulling out of that boat ramp.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of foot traffic and a lot
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Speaker 1: of things happening there where she was last seen. I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at a shot of Juana. It spelled like Juana.
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Speaker 1: The name ju Ana Juana, Pagodas and sailors. Grill, Navarre's
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Speaker 1: oldest family owned and operate a restaurant and bar. And
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Speaker 1: it's right on the water. You're right, and it's a series.
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Speaker 1: It looks like little pagoda houses is what it looks like.
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Speaker 1: And with that's roofs. And the selling point is that
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Speaker 1: you sit out and look out at the water. It's
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Speaker 1: right on the water and you can see the marina
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Speaker 1: with jet skis and boats there. The point I'm making
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Speaker 1: is at seven o'clock at night, Um, Jackie, could you
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Speaker 1: look up for me if the sun has set? What
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Speaker 1: time the sunset on March twenty seven? Everything matters? Why
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Speaker 1: do I care about what time the sunset on March
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Speaker 1: twenty seven? Well, Wendy Patrick, you know you're a prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: because I want to find out if any eyewitnesses could
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Speaker 1: see anything. Now, this is a fairly big restaurant and grill.
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Speaker 1: I imagine the parking lot would have to have surveillance cameras. So, Jackie,
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Speaker 1: what time is the sunset? Seven o four sunset, so
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Speaker 1: it's getting dark, it's getting dark, but still at that
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Speaker 1: time in Florida. I think you'd be able to see
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Speaker 1: fairly well. Wendy Patrick. This matters, Wendy. I'm sure you've
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Speaker 1: tried cases, as have I and Robert Frischette. You know
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Speaker 1: what we're talking about. I mean, this is actually codified, codified,
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Speaker 1: written in the law. Ways to attack an eyewitness that
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Speaker 1: you bring on to trial. You look, did they wear glasses?
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Speaker 1: Was their vision impaired? Were they in a spot that
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Speaker 1: made such a view possible? For instance, I got into
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Speaker 1: crime scenes and I've got an eyewitness, and I want
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Speaker 1: to find out could they really see what they saw? No,
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Speaker 1: where they're standing versus where the crime occurred, there'll be
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Speaker 1: like a huge hedge or a building, for Pete's sake,
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Speaker 1: So you have to go to the scene in order
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Speaker 1: to put a case like this together. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, Wendy Patrick, and Robert frischett I'll start with you, Wendy.
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Speaker 1: I want to find out, could anybody see at seven
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Speaker 1: o'clock at night on March twenty seven and v Are, Florida.
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Speaker 1: Could they see in that parking lot what happened to
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Speaker 1: this mother and daughter, Cassie Curley and our little girls sailor.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. One of the very first things you
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Speaker 1: do is recreate the scene, and that's why we want
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Speaker 1: to get out there as soon as possible. The beauty
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Speaker 1: of dates and times and sunrising and setting is the
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Speaker 1: judge can take what's called judicial notice of that. In
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Speaker 1: other words, he can tell the jury this is when
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Speaker 1: it's set and it's not a disputed fact. But that
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Speaker 1: doesn't tell the whole story because you have to know
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Speaker 1: what kind of obstructions might have been there, was there
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Speaker 1: a canopy or Oh, I've got another problem for you.
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Speaker 1: Guess what, They've got a sand floor that's great for
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Speaker 1: dancing with live music. You know why I'm not happy
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Speaker 1: about that, Robert Freshett. I'm not happy because if somebody
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Speaker 1: is sitting in there and live music kiss playing, they're
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Speaker 1: not gonna hear somebody scream out in the parking lot.
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Speaker 1: They're not gonna hear a four year old girl, y'all, mommy,
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Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. For shat. I was expecting a
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Speaker 1: little more than That's right. I'm talking about ear witnesses.
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Speaker 1: Ear witnesses. They're important. Okay, here's a great example to
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Speaker 1: doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis psychologists joining us from Colombia. Doctor Debbie,
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Speaker 1: everyone will recall, if you're at all illegal, eagle, if
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Speaker 1: you haven't been living under a rock in a cave,
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Speaker 1: that the timeline and the O. J. Simpson murder trial
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Speaker 1: started when neighbors heard, as they described their words, not
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Speaker 1: mine a plaintiff, well of Nicole Brown's dog. And they
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Speaker 1: had never heard it like that much less at that time,
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Speaker 1: and they heard it their ears pricked up and didn't
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Speaker 1: really think anything of it. That actually was used to
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Speaker 1: start a timeline in many people's minds. So here's somebody
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Speaker 1: scream out in the parking lot. You go back and
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Speaker 1: find out who was there at Juan's Pagodas that night
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Speaker 1: at seven o'clock by the receipts, and you say, did
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Speaker 1: you hear anything? If they've got live music blaring, we're
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Speaker 1: basically screwed. So ear witnesses and what people hear, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Debbie Joffey Ellis can be as important. Sometimes it's what
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Speaker 1: they see. Yes, what you say, Nancy is very true,
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Speaker 1: assuming if in this particular situation someone wailed or screamed out.
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Speaker 1: But from what I gather, we don't know if that's
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Speaker 1: the case. What if the mother, at the point that
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Speaker 1: she moved away from the car was appearing to do
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Speaker 1: so willingly. What if she didn't scream? So, yes, it's true.
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Speaker 1: That would be great evidence if it happened. But do
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Speaker 1: you know if that happens. I don't. I don't know
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Speaker 1: anything yet. Everybody heard anything? Okay, you know, Freschet, I
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Speaker 1: gave you the bad news about the live music. Here's
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Speaker 1: the good news. It's Wednesday through Saturday. Okay, so maybe
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Speaker 1: somebody did hear something. Here's another problem they have apparently,
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Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot from their website. They apparently have
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Speaker 1: beach rentals and they have night lit volleyball courts that
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Speaker 1: run March through November. So more bad news. There are
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Speaker 1: people out there playing volleyball. The people in the restaurant
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Speaker 1: are looking out at that and hearing that it started
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Speaker 1: in March. She goes missing from the parking lot in
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Speaker 1: March twenty seven, so we're back at square one yet again.
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Speaker 1: Nicole Parton, do you have any idea? I mean, certainly
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Speaker 1: they've got surveillance videos, right the police are being tight
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Speaker 1: lipped about that. That was a question that was asked
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Speaker 1: by us several reporters, and no one knows the answer
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Speaker 1: to that. One would imagine, and one would imagine that
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Speaker 1: there's surveillance down by that boat ramp, because we have
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Speaker 1: wildlife officials and we have people who are who are
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Speaker 1: usually surveilling those boat ramps. Good point seven, really, really
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Speaker 1: good point, Nicole Parton. Remember that's how really the truth
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Speaker 1: came out about Scott Peterson. That age. It got caught
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Speaker 1: at the marina. Security saw him coming in and out.
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Speaker 1: He had to go through a parking entrance to get
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Speaker 1: his boat into the marina. Remember he said he was
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Speaker 1: playing golf and then somebody at the marina I did him.
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Speaker 1: He went, oh, oh yeah, yeah, it wasn't golf. I
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Speaker 1: was fishing. Now I remember, and loa behold, that's where
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Speaker 1: Lacy and Connor's body turned up. Guys, there's another issue
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Speaker 1: to be examined. Let me go to you, Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: and then i'll back it up with Fraschett and doctor Debbie.
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Speaker 1: You've got not only the disappearance of a mother, but
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Speaker 1: her daughter. It's one thing to wrestle an unarmed woman
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Speaker 1: into your car. It's another thing to wrestle two people
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Speaker 1: into your car, one being a four year old little
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Speaker 1: girl and the other the mother. That's a whole other
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Speaker 1: can of worms. Wendy Patrick. Oh, absolutely, and it's also
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Speaker 1: a whole another scene that would be memorable to witnesses.
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Speaker 1: Then you know, this is one of the reasons that
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Speaker 1: child exchanges in public places at the Double Edged Sword.
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Speaker 1: On the one hand, it's safer because there's lots of
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Speaker 1: people around. On the other hand, if there's lots of
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Speaker 1: people around and they're distracted, they're dancing, there's music, they
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Speaker 1: may be less inclined to pay attention, but not when
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Speaker 1: there's a child involved. All of our antenna go up
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Speaker 1: when we see a struggle between not just a man
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Speaker 1: and a woman, but there's a child involved as well,
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Speaker 1: So that would almost increase the likelihood of there being
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Speaker 1: more witnesses. You are so right, Robert Frichet. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you're a dad or not, but ever since
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Speaker 1: I gave birth to the twins, when I hear a
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Speaker 1: child scream or cry yell out mommy, it's like it's
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Speaker 1: like an electric jolt goes through my body. So what
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Speaker 1: Whendy is saying is correct. When you hear a child scream,
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Speaker 1: it's different from when you hear an adult raised their voice.
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Speaker 1: That would have attracted a lot of attention had the
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Speaker 1: kidnapping gone down in this parking lot. For shit, that's correct,
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Speaker 1: and we you know, we would listen for you know,
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Speaker 1: people to share stories about something that they heard or
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Speaker 1: something along those lines. But but this begs the question,
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Speaker 1: are we talking about somebody who was initially going unwillingly
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Speaker 1: or not? It was there really a struggle? Was this
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Speaker 1: someone that the two of them knew and trusted and
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Speaker 1: then something happened after that not no longer in the
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Speaker 1: parking lot. So we're we're going to talk to you know,
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Speaker 1: was there an argument or was there something that sort
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Speaker 1: of stood out about two cars showing up, something a
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Speaker 1: discussion perhaps going on, and then one car leaving and
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Speaker 1: the other one remaining there, or did somebody come back
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Speaker 1: and get that other car if that was the case.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of pieces that we want to
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Speaker 1: try to pull together. There's a lot of rinkles, a
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Speaker 1: lot of rinkles. Robert Frischet, guys, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our dude. This is Olivia Iverson with w E A RTV.
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Speaker 1: I talked to Sam Porter. She's the woman who organizes
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Speaker 1: herch happening here this afternoon. She's holding out hope they'll
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Speaker 1: find Cassie's safe. It was devastating, you know, that gut
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Speaker 1: instinct of the reality of the situation and worst case
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Speaker 1: scenario possibility, and all indicators pointing to a worst case
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Speaker 1: scenario ending. A few things to know here tonight. The
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Speaker 1: Sheriff's office did tell me that they are also searching
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Speaker 1: for the child there. They say this is a multi
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Speaker 1: agency effort. They couldn't tell me which agencies, but the
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Speaker 1: flor died A Partment of Law enforcement did confirm that
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Speaker 1: they are also assisting in this investigation. As far as
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Speaker 1: the people here tonight, I'm told they are planning to
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Speaker 1: have a prayer vigil right here. This is right by
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Speaker 1: the name our Beach water Tower ad around six forty five,
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Speaker 1: right when the sun goes down. How can you identify
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Speaker 1: Cassie Carly? Take a listen our cut d our friends
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Speaker 1: at crime online dot com. Cassie Carley is thirty seven
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Speaker 1: years old, five feet five inches tall and weighs one
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds. She has shoulder length blonde hair
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Speaker 1: and blue eyes. She also has distinctive tattoos. She has
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Speaker 1: a tribal mark on her lower back and a matching
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Speaker 1: tattoo with her sister. Ryan. Carly tells Dateline that their
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Speaker 1: father has a big tattoo of a lizard, so to
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Speaker 1: honor him, the sister's got lizard tattoos of their own
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Speaker 1: on their feet. She says. When they put their feet
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Speaker 1: side by side, the lizards form a heart inside. The
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Speaker 1: heart in her father's handwriting is Lua, which is short
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Speaker 1: for you always. You know, tattoos are significant, but these
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Speaker 1: not so much. And I'll tell you why. This girl
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Speaker 1: is stunning. She is beautiful with a million dollars smile.
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Speaker 1: Of course, I may be looking at something that's a
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Speaker 1: glamour shot, but she's really a pretty girl. The tattoos,
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Speaker 1: they're not going to help me much, And i'll tell
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Speaker 1: you why. To new Nicole Parton, I understand that one
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Speaker 1: is on a lower back, so she'd have to have
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Speaker 1: on a swimsuit or a midgriftop to see that and
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Speaker 1: turn her back to you. And the other one is
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Speaker 1: on her foot. That's not really helping me, right, that's correct.
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Speaker 1: So both of those are kind of out of sight.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's not something that would be visible, like
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Speaker 1: you said, unless unless you saw her barefooted or in
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Speaker 1: a sandal, or unless you saw the back of her.
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Speaker 1: But it's not something that would be visible from the eye,
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Speaker 1: especially across the parking lone. What do we know about
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Speaker 1: that night? More Launch twenty seven seven p m. As
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Speaker 1: you see, you have to look at everything from the location.
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Speaker 1: Where there lights in the parking lot, had the sunset?
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Speaker 1: Was their music playing? Where people out and about in
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Speaker 1: that parking lot? Not a shopping center, more of a boat.
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Speaker 1: Doc take a listen to our friends at w ea RTV.
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Speaker 1: It was right here in this parking lot earlier this
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Speaker 1: morning where the Santa Rosa County Sheriff's off it says there,
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Speaker 1: Debbie's found Cassie's car right behind me. But as of tonight,
21:32
Speaker 1: still no sign of Cassie. Some friends and community members
21:36
Speaker 1: has been here nearly all afternoon looking for her. You
21:39
Speaker 1: can see some of those people right there over my shoulder.
21:42
Speaker 1: Those friends say that Cassie was scheduled to meet here
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Speaker 1: on Sunday night around seven o'clock to exchange custody with
21:50
Speaker 1: the father of her daughter. That was set for seven o'clock.
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Speaker 1: Cassie's dad, I'm told was expecting her that night, but
21:56
Speaker 1: she never showed up. Friends say her dad received text
21:59
Speaker 1: hours later or from Cassie's phone saying she had a
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Speaker 1: phone in car trouble. I talked to Sam Porter, She's
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Speaker 1: the woman who organizes herch happening here this afternoon, she claims.
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Speaker 1: The child's father claimed Cassie went to Sam's house, which
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Speaker 1: Sam tells me isn't true. So where did she go?
22:18
Speaker 1: What do we know about Cassie the missing mom? What
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Speaker 1: do we know about sail Or her four year old
22:24
Speaker 1: girl that also disappeared the very same night. Take a
22:27
Speaker 1: listen to our cut a our friends from crime Online.
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Speaker 1: Sisters Cassie and Raynne Carly were born in Louisiana, but
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Speaker 1: spent the majority of their childhood in the floor to Panandal.
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Speaker 1: Ryanne tells Dateline that her sister is fun and outgoing
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Speaker 1: and always laughing, but most of all, Cassie Carly is
22:44
Speaker 1: a daddy's girl. There is a five year age difference
22:47
Speaker 1: between the girls, but they're still clothes. Since their mother worked, Cassie,
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Speaker 1: the older of the two, became a mother figure in
22:53
Speaker 1: the household, leaving Ryanne to tell Dateline that Cassie was
22:57
Speaker 1: born maternal and when Cassie had her own child, she
23:00
Speaker 1: loved being a mother. Then we find out that the
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Speaker 1: schedule was broken that night, and I find this very interesting.
23:11
Speaker 1: You know, we were talking earlier about routine evidence, what
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Speaker 1: people do as a matter of habit. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our grants from crime Online. Ryanne Carlyle says Cassie
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Speaker 1: was living with her father while she was between jobs.
23:24
Speaker 1: Cassie carly had been working at a paddleboard shop. Paddleboarding
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Speaker 1: is a favorite hobby, but despite the passion, carly had
23:32
Speaker 1: just started a new job as a lead server. Rayanne
23:35
Speaker 1: tells Dateline that her sister texted her during her first
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Speaker 1: shift saying things were going well. Carly was also dealing
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Speaker 1: with custody issue with Sailor's father. The two shared custody,
23:46
Speaker 1: with drop offs happening every other weekend. The mother and
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Speaker 1: father now live in different Florida cities, so to make
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Speaker 1: the custody exchange reasonable, they would meet in the middle
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Speaker 1: at a Walmart in Deston, But on Sunday, March twenty seventh,
23:59
Speaker 1: there was last minute change. The pair decided to meet
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Speaker 1: around seven pm at Navarre Beach, about a mile or
24:05
Speaker 1: so from where Cassie was living. Interesting that the location
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Speaker 1: of the custody switched. The drop off was changed at
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Speaker 1: the last minute. We also know that the new spot
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Speaker 1: was only a mile from where Carly was living. Now
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Speaker 1: we understand that night that she was to meet her
24:27
Speaker 1: father fell asleep. He'd been told she'd be home later.
24:30
Speaker 1: He woke up at ten forty five, Cassie and Sailor
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Speaker 1: were not at home. Why the cost to her phone
24:39
Speaker 1: goes straight to voicemail. He did get texts saying that
24:43
Speaker 1: she was having phone and car troubles. The next day,
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Speaker 1: Carly still not home and Dad calls police. Joining me
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Speaker 1: right now is a very special guest. It's Sam Porter,
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Speaker 1: a very dear friend of Cassie. Carly. Thank you for
25:00
Speaker 1: being with us. Thank you so much, Fancy for having
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Speaker 1: us on here. Your presence is greatly appreciated and holly
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Speaker 1: valued among us that are out here on the ground
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Speaker 1: searching for Cassie. Sam. When did she first realize that
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Speaker 1: Cassie is missing? I was first informed of Cassie's missing
25:22
Speaker 1: on Monday evening at approximately six thirty pm. I had
25:26
Speaker 1: just arrived at home from work and received a private
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Speaker 1: message on Facebook asking if I was Cassie's friend Sam,
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Speaker 1: and I responded to the message and was notified by
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Speaker 1: a mutual friend that Cassie had reported that Mark or Marcus.
25:50
Speaker 1: Marcus reported that he dropped Cassie at my home and
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Speaker 1: she was inquiring if Cassie was with me when she
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Speaker 1: started to give me the details of the text message
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Speaker 1: that my heart is absolutely saying, and immediately thought that
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Speaker 1: Marcus has done something with Cassie. Well, let me ask
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Speaker 1: you this, what did the text message say that made
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Speaker 1: your heart? The initial information that I received was that
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Speaker 1: Cassie did not return home from the meeting to exchange
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Speaker 1: custody with Marcus, that her father received a suspicious message
26:36
Speaker 1: approximately three hours after the meeting time was supposed to
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Speaker 1: take place, and he was unable to make contact with
26:46
Speaker 1: her or he was unable to make contact on her
26:50
Speaker 1: cell phone. From that point forward, he began contacting Marcus
26:57
Speaker 1: to inquire of her whereabouts and exactly what happened. He
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Speaker 1: didn't receive a response from Marcus until a proximately mid
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Speaker 1: afternoon on Monday, and when he did, it was a
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Speaker 1: very lengthy rant. He began wrapped rambling on and on
27:17
Speaker 1: about Cassie acting crazy. He mentioned again the car having
27:25
Speaker 1: mechanical issues and her cell phone not working, and then
27:31
Speaker 1: he stated that she was acting so crazy that he
27:35
Speaker 1: took her to my residence and her father messaged back,
27:41
Speaker 1: you mean Sam, and he said yes, and then Cassie's
27:47
Speaker 1: father said Sam no longer lived than Deston, and then
27:52
Speaker 1: he immediately changed his story to, well, she was acting
27:57
Speaker 1: so crazy that I was not going to expose Sailor
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Speaker 1: to that behavior, and I quote unquote put Cassie out
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Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere. Okay, I don't like it
28:10
Speaker 1: when people change your stories. Now, it could be argued
28:17
Speaker 1: he was going to your house and then her behavior
28:20
Speaker 1: got so bizarre he dropped her off out in the
28:23
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. That's a real stretch. And in the
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Speaker 1: midst of all of this, we're still looking for four
28:33
Speaker 1: year old sailor Sam. Let me understand something. When Cassie
28:38
Speaker 1: was going to meet there at Juan's grill, was she
28:44
Speaker 1: picking up or dropping off Sailor with dad? She was
28:49
Speaker 1: scheduled to pick up Sailor. Cassie maintains seventy five percent
28:54
Speaker 1: custody and Marcus has twenty five percent, meaning that he
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Speaker 1: legal custody of Sailor only every other week Friday evening
29:05
Speaker 1: to Sunday evening. In their written court order, the scheduled
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Speaker 1: legal location for them to exchange custody is in the
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Speaker 1: Destin Walmart parking lot. That is a very populated area
29:22
Speaker 1: and very well lit. And over the last several weeks
29:31
Speaker 1: since he was served with a court order to pay
29:35
Speaker 1: child sport in arrears, he has started creating this scenario
29:40
Speaker 1: of I'm gonna be the nice guy. Cassie lived in
29:44
Speaker 1: in the bar, so to go to Destin was quite
29:47
Speaker 1: a stretch for her, especially in tourist season traffic. Twelve
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Speaker 1: miles in tourist season's going to take you an hour
29:56
Speaker 1: to make that drive. So he he bathed her to
30:02
Speaker 1: come to this area under the guide that he was
30:06
Speaker 1: doing her a favor. There has been a long standing
30:10
Speaker 1: custody problem between Cassie and the X Take a listen
30:16
Speaker 1: to our cut six climb online. According to Cassie Carley,
30:20
Speaker 1: she filed for sole custody of Sailor in twenty nineteen.
30:23
Speaker 1: The court allowed Spanavello bimonthly visitation and ordered him to
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Speaker 1: pay child support. Cassie claims Spanavello owes over ten thousand
30:31
Speaker 1: dollars in back child's support. She further claims when Florida
30:34
Speaker 1: was preparing to suspend his driver's license over the child's
30:37
Speaker 1: support delinquency, he called CPS to report another claim against her.
30:41
Speaker 1: Due to this claim, Spanavello was allowed to pick up
30:44
Speaker 1: Sailor for his regularly scheduled weekend visit. Cassie claims for
30:48
Speaker 1: the next two weeks, she had no contact with her daughter,
30:51
Speaker 1: had no knowledge of where her daughter was, and she
30:54
Speaker 1: sought out help from several agencies to get Sailor back.
30:57
Speaker 1: It was this situation that led to her sister set
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Speaker 1: up a go fund Me to help raise money to
31:02
Speaker 1: hire an attorney to take the custody fight back to
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Speaker 1: court to prevent something like this from happening again. Time
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace with me is Sam Porter or
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Speaker 1: Cassie Carley's dear friend. I'm trying to figure out exactly
31:34
Speaker 1: I know there's a custody problem brewing. Is it correct
31:39
Speaker 1: that he actually kept the baby for two full weeks
31:42
Speaker 1: and did not let her have contact and she's the
31:44
Speaker 1: one that has sole physical custody. Absolutely, that's correct. Nancy.
31:48
Speaker 1: Not only did he keep her away, it was it
31:53
Speaker 1: appeared as though he was at that time attempting to
31:57
Speaker 1: flee the country to Brazil with Sailor. We were unable
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Speaker 1: to locate Sailor. Cassie was in her own efforts sharing
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Speaker 1: the social media. It seemed as though no one was
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Speaker 1: taking her seriously. She filed multiple police reports, and what
32:16
Speaker 1: we came to learn is that at that time that
32:20
Speaker 1: particular situation, he had taken Sailor to a location in Alabama.
32:29
Speaker 1: So it complicated the situation in efforts to once we
32:35
Speaker 1: knew where she was, to be able to for Cassie
32:39
Speaker 1: to be able to go and get her daughter. So
32:45
Speaker 1: he actually crossed the state lines with the baby, which
32:49
Speaker 1: I'm sure it is against custody, any and all custody agreements.
32:54
Speaker 1: He took the baby across state lines. Absolutely. Let me
32:57
Speaker 1: advise everyone that the bio dad of sailor Or, Marcus Spanavello,
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Speaker 1: a Brazilian national, is not named a suspect, not named
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Speaker 1: a suspect. Now in the middle of all of this,
33:15
Speaker 1: Nicole parton the baby is found. Explain that's right. So
33:21
Speaker 1: the police department released a statement confirming that they had
33:25
Speaker 1: a lead, and they followed that lead and they quote
33:29
Speaker 1: went out and laid eyes on the child, put eyes
33:32
Speaker 1: on the child to make sure she was safe. They
33:34
Speaker 1: wanted to verify and see her with their own eyes.
33:38
Speaker 1: They did not disclose where they saw her, but they
33:41
Speaker 1: did confirm that the child was safe and that they
33:44
Speaker 1: had laid eyes on her. Sam Porter a very dear
33:48
Speaker 1: friend of missing mom Cassie Crawley. So, praise Heaven, baby
33:53
Speaker 1: Sailor is alive and well. But her location should give
33:58
Speaker 1: us some clue as to where we should look for Cassie.
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Speaker 1: Where was Sailor found? Absolutely so, we initially were focusing
34:08
Speaker 1: our efforts in the location of where Cassie's car was found.
34:14
Speaker 1: Our search area has broadened now from the bar into
34:18
Speaker 1: Panama City, Pensacola, and every highway and byway between here
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Speaker 1: and Jefferson County, Alabama. So we know for certain we
34:31
Speaker 1: don't have an exact city nor address or that has
34:34
Speaker 1: not been disclosed to us. We can confirm that Sailor
34:40
Speaker 1: that her welfare has been checked. As far as being
34:46
Speaker 1: using the words safe, I would not use that term
34:51
Speaker 1: because Marcus, still maintaining legal custody, can go and at
34:58
Speaker 1: free will and not be able to be detained by
35:03
Speaker 1: police at this point take possession of sailor again and
35:09
Speaker 1: run with her again. Well, I mean he's done it before. Absolutely,
35:13
Speaker 1: he's left and take According to you, he's taken her
35:16
Speaker 1: before to Alabama. Do you know where in Alabama he
35:19
Speaker 1: had her before? The little baby? It was in the
35:22
Speaker 1: we know the approximate area where he was and it's
35:27
Speaker 1: all in the Jeffards County, Alabama county. Guys. It sounds
35:33
Speaker 1: like a big distance, but actually where we're talking about
35:37
Speaker 1: Navari Beach, Santa Rosa County, Pensacola destined Fort Walton. That
35:42
Speaker 1: is the Panhandle. It's one of the most beautiful sugar
35:48
Speaker 1: beaches in the world. But we say he took the
35:52
Speaker 1: baby to Alabama. Alabama is also on the Panhandle. It
35:58
Speaker 1: the Panhandle on the interior of Florida curves around. So
36:03
Speaker 1: when you say he left Florida went to Alabama, it
36:07
Speaker 1: may not be that far. What's the county seat? Okay,
36:11
Speaker 1: So that is further Birmingham from Santa Rosa County. It's
36:16
Speaker 1: much further than something, for instance, like op or Enterprise
36:20
Speaker 1: or Hey Cody, So that is a much further drive.
36:26
Speaker 1: Nicole Parton, do you have any information about how the
36:30
Speaker 1: baby was found? Did you say a tip. The police
36:35
Speaker 1: department says that they were given at the through the
36:40
Speaker 1: entire investigation, that they were led to believe that the
36:45
Speaker 1: child was not in danger. They did not disclose what
36:48
Speaker 1: led them to believe that, but they say that's the
36:52
Speaker 1: track they followed. They went out for themselves to lay
36:56
Speaker 1: eyes on the child, and they did and they made
36:58
Speaker 1: sure she was safe. That's the police departments. The quote,
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Speaker 1: Sam Porter, do you know that baby Sailor is not
37:05
Speaker 1: with Cassie's dad? I can confirm that, yes, that Sailor
37:10
Speaker 1: is not currently in Florida with family nor friends. Are
37:16
Speaker 1: you saying she's in Alabama. Sailor is still in Alabama,
37:21
Speaker 1: and we are working very closely with our local sheriff's
37:26
Speaker 1: department and a private attorney to file all the necessary
37:31
Speaker 1: paperwork to obtain a court order to get her back.
37:37
Speaker 1: That's now. That process is now three days in the work.
37:41
Speaker 1: We started that process immediately on Monday, and we are
37:48
Speaker 1: now The delay in that is we are dealing with
37:52
Speaker 1: multiple jurisdictions and a slow court process. While our natural
38:01
Speaker 1: minds can't well, we can't grasp that, and it's frustrating.
38:06
Speaker 1: We are taking all the legal steps to do this
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Speaker 1: correctly if you know or think you know anything about
38:14
Speaker 1: the whereabouts about this gorgeous young mom Cassie Curly. Tipline
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Speaker 1: is eight five zero four three seven stop eight five
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Speaker 1: zero four three seven seven eight six seven, or you
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Speaker 1: can text star Star tips T I P. S to
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Speaker 1: doctor Debbie Joffe, la psychologist, professor, Columbia University and author,
38:43
Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie, I'm very concerned, and I'll tell you why.
38:48
Speaker 1: I'm concerned because taking a child away from the mother
38:52
Speaker 1: who has primary custody physical custody, and keeping the child
38:56
Speaker 1: away for two weeks that is unauthorized, is tortuous and
39:01
Speaker 1: cruel to the mother, and it makes me concerned what
39:06
Speaker 1: else this dad might do to the mother. Yeah, you're
39:11
Speaker 1: right to be concerned. I mean, it's highly likely that
39:15
Speaker 1: he's feeling entitled. He may be feeling enraged and intense
39:21
Speaker 1: anger like that can lead to impulsive, irrational behavior. If
39:28
Speaker 1: Kathy has been dumped, who knows where, we have to
39:31
Speaker 1: hope that she has enough food, water warms to sustain her.
39:39
Speaker 1: But yeah, I trust that the father will be thoroughly
39:45
Speaker 1: questioned and watched because there is potential for him to
39:50
Speaker 1: act out in a more irrational rageful way. You know, again,
39:55
Speaker 1: no one has been named as a suspect, and the
39:57
Speaker 1: disappearance of young mom Cassie Crawley to Robert Frost joining us.
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Speaker 1: Custody issues are so volatile. Agree or disagree, Oh, I
40:10
Speaker 1: agree hundred percent. They are some of the biggest catalysts
40:14
Speaker 1: for some bad behavior, especially when a decision is made
40:19
Speaker 1: that's not in the abuser's best interest in their mind,
40:24
Speaker 1: then perhaps their agenda changes and their need for controlling
40:29
Speaker 1: that narrative and controlling that situation goes to a dangerous level.
40:35
Speaker 1: You know, Robert Frischet, one of my very best girlfriends,
40:41
Speaker 1: is a defense lawyer. She's a dope lawyer. She says
40:45
Speaker 1: she would rather represent a drug lord than get in
40:49
Speaker 1: the middle of a divorce where custody is at issue,
40:52
Speaker 1: because they one or the other party will totally drive
40:56
Speaker 1: by your house in the middle of and I take
40:57
Speaker 1: a shot at the lawyer, like the lawyer's got something
41:00
Speaker 1: to do with keeping the children away from the parents.
41:04
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a highly volatile issue. We often
41:07
Speaker 1: hear of cops going to break up a domestic or
41:11
Speaker 1: a custody problem, getting shot a completely third party they've
41:17
Speaker 1: never met get shot. It's a very, very incendiary issue.
41:23
Speaker 1: This brings to mind another case that we covered out
41:28
Speaker 1: of Florida. She's often been called the people people's court mom.
41:34
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Matt Gutman with ABC
41:38
Speaker 1: News Our Cut five. Parker was last seen around two
41:41
Speaker 1: pm Thursday, dropping her kids off at Smith's home. At
41:45
Speaker 1: about four pm, her brother received a short text from her,
41:48
Speaker 1: but she never showed up for her six pm bartending shift.
41:52
Speaker 1: Her iPhone last pined at a cell phone tower at
41:55
Speaker 1: eight pm, then total silence. At this point for eleven
41:59
Speaker 1: year old calls his grandmother, Yvonne Stewart, to ask where's mom,
42:03
Speaker 1: and her son called and said, is mom at the salon?
42:07
Speaker 1: Or like? No, honey, she went to drop off the babies.
42:09
Speaker 1: She should be home, she should be taking a nap.
42:12
Speaker 1: She was, well, I've seen her since since I got
42:14
Speaker 1: home from school. On Friday, police found her black Hummer
42:17
Speaker 1: near in Orlando Mall she rarely visited, and on Sunday
42:20
Speaker 1: they searched her ex fiancee's home and a nearby field
42:24
Speaker 1: as she ever disappeared before, ever not called or taking
42:28
Speaker 1: a few hours just to be by herself. Parker's mother
42:31
Speaker 1: Yvonne Stewart has been desperately searching for her daughter for
42:35
Speaker 1: four days now. In that case, Michelle Parker has never
42:39
Speaker 1: been found. She was last known to be dropping off
42:43
Speaker 1: her children with the X. In that case, Ah, there
42:48
Speaker 1: has been no progress to Sam Porter or a very
42:52
Speaker 1: dear friend of Cassie Crawley's. Cassie's car was found right
42:57
Speaker 1: there at the pickuff spot. No, that is not correct.
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Speaker 1: The original spot was at Juana's Patagonia's grill. It's a
43:08
Speaker 1: smaller parking area, very well lit. We have confirmation from
43:16
Speaker 1: citizen and witnesses that Marcus Santavello parked in the rear
43:23
Speaker 1: parking lot, which has both access and no lighting. He
43:29
Speaker 1: actually backed his trailer thirty foot trailer, so the doors
43:34
Speaker 1: of that trailer were facing the sand dunes and concealed
43:40
Speaker 1: when Cassie arrived. We have witnesses that report and confirm
43:45
Speaker 1: that Cassie parked facing his vehicle, and that area is
43:53
Speaker 1: completely dark. It is nearly impossible to see much more
43:57
Speaker 1: than shapes and shadows. So her call then was found
44:02
Speaker 1: there at once that it was found in the rear
44:07
Speaker 1: parking lot, so it's actually probably a little less than
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Speaker 1: a quarter mile from the actual restaurant. It's a very
44:19
Speaker 1: unusual spot for a pickup and drop off. Again, the
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Speaker 1: tip line is eight five zero four three seven stop
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Speaker 1: eight five zero four three seven seven eight six seven.
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Speaker 1: Please help us find Passie Roley Nancy Grace's five story
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Speaker 1: signing off good