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Random Heathen Ramblings: S3, EP28 - "We Have To Move Forward" (feat. A Contemporary Vitki) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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So yes, we have a guest lined up for this week's podcast.
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He's a The gentleman who I've been online friends with we've
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not actually met in person, but he is, as he refers to himself a
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contemporary Vicki. So we're going to be bringing
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him in here in just a moment and talking about Vicky related
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things. Now for those that maybe, you
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know, new to this whole thing, this is a heathen podcast of
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random Nature's, right? We get off on to some pretty
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Random things sometimes. It's not always, you know
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focused on a very specific topic but sometimes we just divide
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ourselves Landing down, different rabbit holes and so on
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and so forth. And so the term Vicky for those
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that maybe don't know, are the I guess you might say it's a word
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that would probably best be used to describe the mail.
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Witches or the mate, like you have like in the Norse serous
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were or what are called vulva, who practice say either the some
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we're going to be talking about all those types of things today.
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And so the vit ski is a term that's used to describe the the
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male equivalent of that since what is usually always going to
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be a female. Person.
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So Vicki is a term that's used to usually describe the male
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version of the Volga. So they are quite often times
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associated with Rune magic or runic divination, you know.
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So the thing that we're going to be talking about today is all
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kinds of things related to that. So you know, say their work Rune
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casting Arun. Nation.
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And so he also actually has a book or excuse me two books that
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he's going to be talking about and I'm not going to reveal too
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much about that right now. But that's what we have lined up
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for in this week's episode. So I hope you guys stick around
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all the way through and see what we can learn from them.
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I'll be welcoming in here in just a moment.
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But before we step into them, before we go down that path, I
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Try to help raise some visibility for it.
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You know, help those folks out, I will be there, my wife and I
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castings much like I did for Sunnah bloat.
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All right, let's so now that we got all of that stuff out of the
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way, I'm going to go ahead and roll out, the virtual red carpet
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again, he is the author of two books which are available on
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Amazon. I have one of them will going to
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be talking about that in his other books as well.
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And so please welcome in today on the random, even ramblings
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podcast. It contemporary that key Kurt
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Hoekstra. What All right, folks.
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Well here we have mr. Kurt Hoekstra and is otherwise
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known by his moniker. It contemporary Vicki.
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Thank you so much for for joining us today Kerr.
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It's good to have you here. No problem.
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Thanks for having me. Hey, I'm very, very, very
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excited. It's not often that, you know, I
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have had various guests on the show before of all different
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types of approaches to spirituality and Heathen re
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paganism. And I'm not 100% sure that I
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could say. That I've had someone who is
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referred to, or known in the community as a, as a Vicky and
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then some of the other things that we know you as and for.
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So, it's exciting. I'm excited to get to talk with
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you about your background and stuff.
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Well, I'm more than willing to talk about any of it.
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Fantastic. Well, that's good because that's
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why you're here, right? Well, before we do get into
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talking about things, I'm going to Ask you a favor if you don't
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mind. So traditionally we do have some
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incense that we burn. This is a handmade incense
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burner from Belvedere Workshop. One of my dear friends.
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Who's an animistic Shaman? Excuse me.
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Mate, he made this. Yeah, it's got like a
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representation of your man, go under burned around it.
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So it's this Serpentine thing very round of it, but I would
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love for you if you don't mind. To pick the instance that we're
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going to burn. I have a bunch of ones to choose
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from and I'm going to give you some Give you some options.
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So we've got, we've got a coffee.
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We've got Cedar. Pine mugwort.
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Frankincense and myrrh Mark, Warren.
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I had a feeling. I had a feeling.
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I had a feeling that you were going to say that and it's a
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good traditional incense so I love, I love me.
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Getting my tradition in kind of on the outskirts and getting the
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tradition part taken care of, so I can go on with the
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Contemporary stuff. So that's kind of where I said
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in regards all that. Yeah, and I actually from we're
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going to talk a bit about, you know, I, I let the people know
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before you got here that you know, you have some books in
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publication and but we're going to get to talk about that.
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But the ones I had a feeling that you were going to select
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mugwort because in your one book that I have the victim using
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spoke about. Esoteric.
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Esoteric also true and say there and all that.
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I think you mentioned in there, that one of your Or go to
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instances for, whether it be saved, work, or transfer work is
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is mugwort. I think that's our goal.
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Absolutely. So to speak, it really grounds
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me. Well, and I need, you know,
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what, I'm doing safe work, I need to be grounded because
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otherwise I could go off into the nether lands and yeah.
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Drift off for forever. So I need to be grounded and
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mugwort for me is a rogue grounding sound and that's how
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it comes in useful for me at least in my years and hopefully,
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hopefully others would find it the same way, that's great.
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I mean, I enjoy it, I do a lot of what we call it, like brezin
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burning it for my own like Hearth cult ritual.
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As and things, where the resin like the pure resin form of like
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things like frankincense or Riley, you know, myrrh and cause
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some of these other ones like benzoate or are not been.
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So, but benzoin some of these other ones that have a really, I
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don't want to say, like hallucinogenic as it's not the,
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but they're kind of heavy, you know?
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Like they really were actually where they make you feel it.
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You know, they really helped with some of this, you know,
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deep spiritual work that we find ourselves and in with.
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So, you know, mugwort has been one that You used a lot during
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these types of things too. And yeah, I'm going to think
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about, you know, as I grow and develop as a as a practitioner
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of certain Mystic type things that I might consider you the
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use of mugwort for your the thing that you're talking about.
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That's helpful to know, please do I think you'll find success
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but I think you'll find it's really helpful.
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And I think that the one of the good things about is that That
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sense since it's kind of a giveaway.
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You don't have to think about it.
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You know. You don't have to, you don't
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have to puzzle it. Mugwort is tried and true.
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You know, it's done, it's done. It's done the hard time and it's
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one its place. And so I respect that and work
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with that then so yeah it's got its put the miles under the
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tires as it were. Yeah, exactly exactly.
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Yeah. Alright, great.
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So then before we get like it, All of this fun stuff that I'm
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sure you, and I could just literally just jump right into
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with, with no background or no context.
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I would love for people who are listening for the first time or
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I've never heard of you and don't know, you know I made
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mention that you know I contemporary Vicki.
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Now that's a pretty specific name or title.
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What's your background? And kind of give us a little bit
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of a story behind the Contemporary Vicki and you as a
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person and where you kind of Started to where you're at now
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in this in this path if you don't mind sure.
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Well I became a heathen 32 years ago and I know I know that's
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exactly what Euro was because it was the same year.
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I met my husband, so it's very easy to remember.
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It's a big year for me. I discovered even right?
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And I met my husband. So I'm that's been cool and.
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But anyway, so 32 years. I've been here that I've been a
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big key Being runes specifically for about 27 years now and
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that's kind of been being a big key.
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It's funny. I had been on the sort of
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bizarre trip spiritually and started coming home to roost for
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me about that time, that I started becoming a Vicky and I'm
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becoming of the Jesus came real easily to me.
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I just started studying the The roads because the traditional
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traditional meaning for the word, Vicky is one who studies
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the rooms. So I took that a little step
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further in my own practice and that's why I called myself a
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contemporary big key as kind of setting myself a little apart
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from a traditional bit do because what I do is I do say
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and I do trance work and I do other forms of Magic work that
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is not necessarily Heathen oriented and you know, it's kind
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of its kind of the the spiritual pain hands, hands out and
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Reaching Across sort of things. So yeah, it's it's important to
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me to keep in mind that I am a A contemporary that you not a
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traditional Vicki. I really try to keep that in
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mind when I'm working because I want to, I believe that we all
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are standing in one place looking forward or we should be
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looking forward. You can look backward, too, but
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that's only going to get you so far.
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Looking forward for me is where the true essence of the Worked
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is, is in looking forward. And so I I tend to look forward
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and that's where the power is for me and the work as well.
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Am I making any sense here? Yeah, 100%.
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And I think it's important to kind of for me at least to call
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attention to your awareness of knowing that what you're doing
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is of a contemporary nature and that it is maybe has some Roots
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or foundation in ancient Traditions, but that it's not,
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it's not a re-creation or reconstruction of ancient
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tradition, your, like you say, looking forward and so many new
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heathens, especially nowadays, I mean, you're a veteran of the,
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of the scene, right, like you've put the miles and you've got a
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lot of decades under your belt to call on experience.
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And so many new folks that come into this, I think, can
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sometimes lose sight of the defining lot or the, like, the
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definitive lines between, you know, You PG or newer and
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contemporary type, things thinking that we'll just because
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you know I'm burning sage or I'm dressed in a certain Garb or I'm
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you know believing in old gods at it all of its old old stuff
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and maybe not so much. Maybe there's definite you know,
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contemporary newer Traditions or newer things that are not
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historical that are not engine in Tradition, but that
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nonetheless have their place. And as long as we understand
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that those lines exist and that we have the separation and
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someone like you who, you know, No calls it out and recognize it
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even uses it in their title. I think that's an important
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thing to recognize and just you know, make a call out on right.
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Yeah, I don't I don't Present myself as somebody who's steeped
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in lore. I mean, I have a working
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knowledge of lore as every human as every human should have, but
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I don't live in the Loire. I live in.
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I live in looking forward, you know, so, yeah.
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Well, so then you know, then if I were to say that, you know, we
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live in, we live in the better than D is what I've said, a lot
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of times, like, we live in the now we exist in the now, and Who
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wrote who wrote has been, what has come and led us to where we
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are now. So we are, we live in very handy
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and we shape screw, right? We, we shape the ducks that
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wishes or which will be or what should be or could be in or
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shall be you know and so much of the you know, you mentioned
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about looking back. I think there's a there's a
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there's a place for it like you can look at as almost like a
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reference. I called, let me go back and
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look at my sources materials, perhaps.
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Or let's see. Were like one of my sources for
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me. Like was to see the way that
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tacitus documented how important the casting of lots were amongst
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Germanic tribes and is that to say that it's rooms that they're
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being cast, they were sticks from a fruit-bearing tree.
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That has quote marks scribe dog, and right?
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Like we could probably surmise that they were runes but do we
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know for sure? It's debatable.
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But that to me is like a source material that I go back to and
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say, well, when I Practice, what I practice, this is in a style
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of which that I'm going to do it.
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It's not that I'm trying to recreate something that was
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done, you know, thousands of years ago.
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But I'm looking at that saying how this is how those people did
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it? How can I incorporate it into a
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modern approach? And I didn't know if you've
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encountered that sort of thing in the years of your experience,
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or how you look at, That sort of approach to things, you know, is
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it a little bit of the past mixed with the future?
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Is it? Let's forget the past let's move
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totally foot 100% forward. Like what's your take on it?
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Sure. I know, I don't totally
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disregard the best, I Look to it and I use it as a jumping board
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from which to Spring off of and so it will be my basis, but it's
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not going to be my stock and stopping point.
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I like having Being the basis so that I can then look forward
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from the basis and move forward from that spot.
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If that makes any sense, you're a doll.
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Yeah, it's it's similar for for me and maybe for a lot of other
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folks, but I don't know if it's such a living thing, right?
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Like the they're not just some dead pieces of wood and their or
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stone or any other sort of living materials.
22:56
There's they're living. And so we have to live Grow with
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the otherwise we get stuck in the past and I've I've done hold
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conversations and discussions about tradition being the
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preservation of fire, not the worship of Ashes.
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You know, dashes are what was from the fire that was burning
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there before. Now there's nothing left to him.
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So you're you're you're trying to resurrect something that is
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long dead and over with look to the Embers, look to the fire,
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breathe, new life into things that are still.
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Glowing in there in there, in that ember store, coal, like,
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State and breathe new life into it.
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And this could just be another example of that, I think.
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Absolutely. And the whole idea that there
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are Embers and, you know, that's from me, the starting place is
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the Embers. And then you grow from there.
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At least. I'd for I try to.
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I try to Fan The Embers and get the flame back.
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Yes. You don't get things going
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again, and that's what I'm doing.
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What I'm looking forward is. I'm Fanning those flames and I'm
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going, yes, let's get a new fire going and then I get the new
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fire going and I'm like wrong. Now, what do I do?
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Yeah, I gotta manage this whole big flaming thing, you know.
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Which is, which is cool and exciting, all in of itself.
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So, that's that's cool in and of itself.
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So, yeah, now, with with the years that you've had of doing
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this type of thing and starting off as, you know, Vicki, right,
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or a contemporary Vicki. But you also mentioned that you
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incorporate things, like save work, right?
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And I did mention it early before you came on here, does
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like an intro for the people listening in?
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That there's there's in the Norse traditions of their were,
24:53
what we called vulva, they were the women folk, they were the
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cirus', they were the ones who traditionally would practice say
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there, but there were also, I least we have in the Lord, we
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have a male counterpart or equivalent.
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And that's, I think the title Vicki where you might fall, it's
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like the male witch or the male's sorcerer the or that sort
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of thing. So for me, big team means nor
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Shaman, okay? And I think, you know that
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there's definitely elements to that in there.
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I mean I am of the view of the mind that these types of titles
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of these types of names are what the community with the people
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refer to them. As it's like, I don't I didn't
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wake up one day and call myself a Vicki myself just because I
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decided to start learning the runes.
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Like I was a student of the runes.
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I was I was learning and then one day it kind of It came to
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me. It's like well, no.
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You're you you're not, you're in it now.
25:51
Like you kind of you got your feet wet and now you there's no
25:55
going back, right? I don't know, I didn't do it.
25:58
I didn't do that either. I didn't wake up one day and go.
26:01
Oh, I'm a big key. It's just, it came to me.
26:05
As a matter of fact, I think someone else called me first,
26:09
everything first before I realized exactly what it meant
26:14
because I was just kind of going through the actions at that
26:17
point. Or studying the rooms.
26:19
So yet, and it's, I mean, if I were to put a time frame on when
26:24
I started and now, you know, here you are, you know, 30 years
26:27
a heathen plus, and then 20 plus years as a, as a, as a learned',
26:33
rune, master or Vicki, you know, I would say that if I were to
26:37
put a number to the years, maybe five, five, five with Rune,
26:43
knowledge or studying the runes, and my practice has changed a
26:47
bit or Evolved, I guess you could say over time, have you
26:51
also experience like, do you read the runes the same way now
26:54
as you did 20 years ago? No, no, I used to be very
27:00
married to certain meanings and a list of meanings.
27:07
And I was really married to it, but I've become more fluid now,
27:12
and I'm more situational. I guess is the word I would use,
27:16
I take into account. Out.
27:18
What's going on in situationally?
27:22
Achieve reading, so to speak. Or, you know, yeah, the speak of
27:30
some reading and that's kind of part of where it goes for me, so
27:36
you're not quite so I don't know, maybe.
27:39
It's not like it's not so methodical in the so much
27:42
anymore as it is organic like what's the situation?
27:45
How are we going to rise? Do this?
27:48
What are we going to do? How are we going to grow with
27:51
this? What are we going to pin down?
27:54
And then say these are the things we're going to work
27:57
forward with and things like that.
28:00
So that's kind of where I am now.
28:03
But when I began I was just cut and dry.
28:07
This is what the books say. So yeah.
28:10
It must mean and that's for me at least at this point in my
28:15
career, it's kind of limiting and I don't like being a
28:19
limited. I think that the whole point of
28:22
what the word should be true free and not to liberabit, you
28:26
know, to liberate not to hold you back.
28:30
So, yeah, I I agree I and I found myself like when I first
28:37
And I'm going to I'm going to I think I've told this telling of
28:41
the tail many times at least on other podcast.
28:43
I'm not sure if you've heard it before.
28:44
So if you don't mind I'm just going to, I'm going to tell you
28:46
my moment of realization that the rooms, where the thing that
28:50
I was supposed to be doing because I think a lot of folks
28:52
when they first come into he'd Andre, it's almost like they
28:55
think that there's a mandatory thing to do.
28:58
And one of them is that I have to learn the rooms and I say no,
29:02
you don't have to learn the runes to be a good, he then you
29:05
don't have to study the rooms to be a heathen at all.
29:07
Leave the Rune work to the room, Rune stairs, the 50s of the, you
29:11
know, leave it to them, right? Let them that have been called
29:14
to it or that feel an attraction or to a drawing to it, let them
29:17
do it because they're the ones that are going to be able to
29:19
read them better for you. They're going to be able to do
29:21
the thing that needs to be done. If you feel obligated in any way
29:25
then you probably shouldn't be doing it right.
29:28
And my the moment that I got basically woken up quite
29:36
literally from a deep sleep, Leap in realize that the rooms
29:41
were a direction that I should be going, and is it was, it was
29:45
a night that and I'd have to go back and remember what day of
29:49
the week or when what time of year, it was?
29:52
But anyway, I was awoken from a deep sleep by the sound of what
29:56
I can only best described. As you know, when you'd like,
29:58
take two two by fours and you crack them together.
30:01
Yeah. It was a, it was a it was a
30:03
sound like that and I woke up and it jarred me so much.
30:07
I had to like sit up in bed because it's startling like it
30:10
just it was a jarring Awakening and when that happened of course
30:14
the room is dark and I saw like in my mind's eye.
30:20
Both Allah flashing almost like like repeatedly just flashing
30:25
and I could hear the oath Allah being like altered, you know,
30:31
like back and forth, back and forth on and I was like, huh?
30:35
Well That was the start of it. That was the moment that I was
30:39
like, okay I guess the two yggdrasil I go right like here
30:43
it's time to learn the runes, hang from the tree as it were in
30:47
and figure. All this all this stuff out and
30:51
it was such a an exciting moment and I was like trying to absorb
30:55
anything and everything, you know, what Missy, what material
30:57
can I learn from? How do I do this?
30:59
Now that I'm being given this information, right?
31:02
And it was such a You know, I did I like, okay.
31:06
Well, let me follow what the book says and I know when I
31:08
didn't really feel it, like, it didn't feel like I connected
31:11
with it and that certain way I'm like, well, let me try it.
31:14
My way. Like, let me see what feels
31:16
right for me based off of what I was learning and yeah, like why
31:20
the way I do things now is totally different than the way I
31:23
was doing things. When I first started, what was
31:25
your what was room? If you don't mind, if you can,
31:27
if you remember, do you remember what your moment of realization
31:30
was to get into the rooms? Was it a profound thing or was
31:34
it a bit more? No, no, it was, it was, it was
31:37
kind of a profound thing. I was I was playing with the
31:43
rooms which you can do, you can play with them and not being
31:47
serious about them and just going to be like the lalalalala.
31:51
So I was playing with the rooms and not really getting anything
31:56
off of them. Seriously, but one time I pulled
32:02
on sirs and answers just for some reason that day for flooded
32:10
Of my being and and my room and the whole everything that was
32:17
around me was answers and I was like, well that's pretty cool.
32:23
I should really do something with this.
32:26
So, you know, unser's is about words and gods and all of those
32:31
sorts of things. So I was like, oh this is like
32:34
studying the rooms. Okay, I'm going to do this
32:38
seriously now and that's when I I started really looking for
32:46
sources that I could utilize that would be good sources that
32:53
would help me move forward in becoming and becoming a vegan.
32:59
So I kind of like, almost it chose me.
33:04
Yeah. By the same token, I kind of
33:07
helped knows if it that way of that.
33:09
Yes. Judged in that direction.
33:12
And so, that's kind of how it happened for me.
33:16
Anyway, now, with with that, right?
33:20
With, after having been given the vision or the, or the
33:24
inspiration, because he say, en sus, right?
33:27
Divine inspiration, the, the, the spoken word, the written
33:31
word, the the passing of breath? Like, all of those things, it's
33:34
a very complex room, right? We can, we could probably, we
33:37
could probably do a whole podcast on just a grounds.
33:40
No. And so you did that and then now
33:44
you have actually published your own source material publish your
33:48
own works that people can can purchase and learn things from
33:54
you. One of those being which I have
33:57
here. It's Vicki musings runes, say
34:00
there and esoteric also true. This is available on Amazon and
34:06
it's going to be. So for people that are watching
34:07
and listening the link for this book, Is in Kurt's, other book.
34:12
And I'm going to let you Kurt talked about this and the other
34:15
one, because I'm a little bit less aware of what the other
34:18
material is that you have here, but you do literally took on
34:21
soos to the to, the writing board.
34:23
Basically you? Well, you think it's funny.
34:40
So the like traveled it all together into a book form.
34:45
So it was really easy to write for me it wasn't a chore, it
34:50
came very easily for me so that was exciting but the reason I
34:54
held this one up right away is because this esoteric musings my
34:58
newest book and it includes the entire Vicki musings book, and
35:05
extra material as a as a big tea.
35:10
That's included, there's like the next strip almost years
35:15
worth of information, and then it's also my Reflections as a
35:21
druid. And that's the esoteric music is
35:25
comes in because it's my, it's my look at the world, both from
35:29
a druidic, and a Vicki mindset. So it's the workings of a druid
35:37
and Vicki. Absolutely.
35:40
That's what this book is. So it's kind of its kind of a
35:46
big topic but it's I really like this part and I know I'm
35:51
supposed to light everything I write, but I thought you might
35:55
be a little biased. But yeah, and it's good and so
36:05
I'm hoping people will read that and get a dual point of view.
36:10
The Druid and the victory at the same time and that's pretty
36:15
exciting for me to look at and to bring to the world so to
36:22
speak. And so that's kind of work that
36:26
will come from the other books that I really love and would
36:30
like to kind of give a thumbs up to his my book.
36:33
Let there be light. It's, it's a book, it's not
36:38
terribly long, but it's Really good little book about how to
36:42
get a p which I think is so important for today's sure,
36:49
contemporary, whatever you call yourself, you know, it's really
36:53
important to be a happy-go-lucky kind of practitioner and so this
37:00
book is all about getting happiness, and that's pretty
37:03
exciting. So I wanted to put a plug in for
37:06
that one as well. So, ok, so and this is It's
37:10
available in Amazon as well, along with all of my books are
37:14
available exclusively on Earth. Well, that's not true because
37:17
some of them are available on Walmart.com so yeah, I'll get
37:22
you. Yeah, I know it's amazing.
37:25
Every once in a while just to find out what they're saying,
37:28
nasty about me, I Google my own name and I don't do that as a,
37:34
as a pumping myself up kind of thing.
37:39
I really want to know. People are saying bad things
37:41
about me. It's nice to keep yourself in
37:44
check. Yeah, exactly.
37:46
Yeah. So I like Googling my name but
37:49
anyway, I Googled my name one time and there was walmart.com
37:53
and I went on and sure enough. There was my book on Walmart.com
37:57
so but if people if people go to Amazon which we're going to have
38:03
links to your books annotated here so that benefits you you
38:08
get like a commission or something like Q, you make
38:11
something you? Yeah, it helps, you work that
38:22
you put in. And so, you know, for, for those
38:25
that are looking to, you know, expand their Library, Vicky
38:29
musings. I enjoyed it again.
38:31
It was a very refreshing and easy to reformat, you know, like
38:34
some things for some people might be entirely to format or
38:39
academic, and it could lose. To somebody right to the
38:41
interest to learn. They might get lost in the, I
38:44
don't know, the structure of it all your brother, he's very
38:47
easily and it's very, it's a very easy read and it's not a
38:50
slight to you. I'm saying it's well-written,
38:52
but it's an easy read, you know what I mean, it's easy to keep
38:55
interested in, you know? So I definitely encourage people
39:00
that are, you know, looking to learn more about you and what
39:04
you're doing in the knowledge that you have and sharing with
39:06
the world to it's going to be annotated.
39:08
So you know, podcasters head. Over to the show notes and
39:12
YouTube folks on the description.
39:13
It's going to be linked down there.
39:15
Check out. So it's e satiric musings, which
39:18
has the druidic and Norse, I guess, perspectives on things,
39:23
kind of combined and plus some other neat things.
39:25
And if you're just looking for the Norse or whatever, Vicki
39:29
stuff it's, you know, Vicky musings and then you said the
39:31
other one was let there be light.
39:34
Let's go another title that I have, that's really good.
39:39
But the cool thing about Both of those titles is there
39:42
illustrated by my good friend, Saga, Erickson and Saga does
39:47
wonderful illustrations in both esoteric musings and let there
39:51
be light. So she's that's your name.
39:55
Yeah that's that's a name that that I think a lot of folks in
39:59
the Pagan and heat and communities would probably
40:02
recognize. So it's reputable reputable
40:05
person there. Yeah.
40:06
Yep. She's my best friend and So, you
40:11
know, I love having her work involved in my books and that's
40:19
exciting. So it may just as an aside say
40:23
to you viewers, I have a mouse. So that's where some of my
40:28
stuttering comes from. I think a thought and it gets
40:31
kind of trapped on its way down here.
40:35
So if you hit me stuttering or whatnot, that's it's because I
40:39
have em. So I have to really think things
40:42
through so. But anyway, that's it, you're
40:45
doing awesome. I mean, you're doing, you're
40:47
doing great. And yeah, I took that to me, I
40:50
never can tell. Yeah, the en sus is really
40:53
working well for you, but if I were you, it would be a
41:07
nonsense. So, lovely.
41:10
Well that's great Kurt and I wanted to maybe talk a little
41:13
bit about some of the specifics of things.
41:15
You know, you've got all these experiences and all these
41:19
Decades of knowledge and stuff and stuff to work on.
41:22
And that's, you know, what the community looks for is, is
41:25
people that have experience and that orange just like, hey, I
41:28
read a book one time and I watched a few music videos, or
41:31
are a watched a few YouTube videos.
41:32
And now I know how to read the runes.
41:35
I'm sure you've seen. I'm sure you've seen those types
41:37
pop up where they're like, yeah, And like you're doing it since
41:41
it's insulting to to see that happen.
41:44
So, you know, I was wondering like, you know, you, we have
41:48
people that come up and they're like, well, how should I, you
41:50
know, how should I read the runes?
41:53
I've read about, you know, ruins being casted or thrown?
41:57
I've heard, I've heard about runes being drawn, you know,
42:00
what should I do? How should I do it?
42:01
Do you have any? I don't know.
42:03
Like inside or thoughts about one versus the other.
42:06
Does it have one of those? Yeah.
42:08
Go ahead. And For me, and my practice as
42:13
opposed to a Caster. Casting groans is a little more
42:19
rambunctious for me. If I'm really in a rambunctious
42:23
mood, then I'll test the runs and I'll throw them and read
42:28
them that way. But normally, I like the control
42:31
of Pullin room and then I can pull them in an order, you know,
42:36
and really build a scenario So to speak from the pole itself as
42:44
opposed to the cast, although you can build a story from a
42:48
cast as well. I'm just not as cool with that
42:54
as I am with the building of a drawn sort of scenario, so I
43:00
prefer to draw but that's just me.
43:03
Everybody is different and I have other divination systems
43:08
that I practiced that I threw out.
43:09
Wow. And so, maybe maybe I get my
43:14
mind fill the throwing in other versions of things that I do.
43:19
And so I don't need to throw the room so much.
43:22
So I've had, I've had, you know, I'm usually the one on this end
43:27
of the table or this end of the reading, right?
43:29
I'm usually the one that is doing the, the actual work, and
43:33
it's rare that I've had it done for me in return, or that I've
43:38
had any sort of like, ruins red or car, It's right or whatever.
43:41
I had one thing happened. One time and this was a really
43:44
wild form of divination this. I was that and I was at a pagan
43:48
event and this this this lady was there who was II don't even
43:56
know what you would call it technically.
43:58
But it was she had an assortment of material and I'm talking like
44:02
she had teeth, she had bones, she had scales, she had pieces
44:08
of shell, she had all different kinds of organic animal remains
44:15
and and other natural things and she would use this is this is
44:20
the really interesting thing instead of like Picking one of
44:25
the other it was like a casting sort of thing and she would read
44:28
them using the quill of a porcupine.
44:30
Ah, cool. Yeah.
44:32
And she would like pick through the things and see where and it
44:35
was like a casting cloth that was that was used and where
44:38
things would learn and how she, you know, where face up face
44:41
down sideways, whatever. Like it was, it was a very
44:43
intricate method and I'm like, I don't even know of any Source
44:47
material that I could look up to understand what the hell it is
44:49
that she was doing. But I tell you what she knew
44:53
what she was. Was doing and it was it was spot
44:55
on and I'm like this is cool. Like this is the kind of I think
44:57
the living tradition the breathing of New Life the
45:01
whether it's documented or not like she's got a system that
45:04
worked right and employs it. Well, that's a wonderful thing.
45:09
That's a wonderful thing. I'm going to read for you right
45:12
now. Justin oh boy, okay.
45:14
Well this is this is unprecedented.
45:17
Ladies and gentlemen. So yeah, this is I normally in
45:20
this is the weird thing to like while you're, I don't know doing
45:23
that. Just to let you know like most
45:26
of my readings and castings are done in person because I need
45:31
that for me right now. At least I need that.
45:33
I need that in-person experience.
45:35
I need that exchange of energy to the to the, I guess to the
45:40
exclusion of for my patreons. Patrons on patreon.
45:44
I'll do like a monthly room reading where I'll read a room
45:47
for them. The specific her and I will do
45:48
is sip Prune pull for my patrons on patreon.
45:51
So there's, there's that. But in terms of any sort of like
45:54
in-depth, you know, reading of sorts.
45:57
I've never I guess I could say I've done it once for somebody
46:01
one time and it worked out well, but it was is a near and dear
46:05
friend, you know. So I'd already kind of, I guess
46:07
establish some sort of closeness spawned connection to them but
46:11
yeah, that is exciting. So, first time for me, having
46:15
I'll just read, here we go. Your first row in is In law's.
46:20
Can you see that? Yeah yep.
46:22
Yep. In was, so that's number one and
46:26
we're going to pull three and number two, is it was, I was And
46:39
the last one. Is bur Khanna.
46:50
Okay let me hold it up here. I'm my hands.
46:53
Don't work the Emmaus. There's per gallon.
46:57
So we've got ping was at was And for Cano.
47:05
And what's that means to me? Would you have a question that
47:09
you've been formulating throughout those or is it a
47:14
general? I mean, so in terms of I didn't
47:18
have like a question going into this because honestly I didn't
47:20
know that this was going to be a thing like I did.
47:22
I had no idea that this was going to even plan for like, hey
47:25
guy, I'm doing this for. Okay.
47:26
Well then here we go. We're Off to the Races, right?
47:29
Yeah. Okay, cool.
47:30
So what this means for you is, The gestation of something that
47:35
has to do with loyalty, you are just saving something, that is a
47:40
feeling of loyalty that is going to birth a whole new.
47:47
Outlook for you. And that's what's happening for
47:51
you right now. Does that ring any bells?
47:53
Yeah, yeah, it actually does so, for those that have listened and
47:59
so this is pretty kind of it's wild to think about because the
48:03
anybody that's listening to my podcast for like the last almost
48:08
a year. Now it's almost like a recap of
48:12
past things and a saga living itself out in a way like there's
48:17
updates to the story and there's things that are happening right
48:20
now or that have been happening recently that reflect the
48:24
dormancy of gestation because there's there's a time for
48:29
growth that needs to happen. The during gestation, but it's
48:32
Stillness, it's right, I see, it's a cessation of motion for
48:38
the necessary growth. It took to set in But we're at
48:43
the end of that. It stops time.
48:46
It's time for baby to come out, right.
48:47
It's time for baby to be born. And there's I like the air was
48:54
pole because of the for me. Anyways, the the meaning of
49:00
teamwork, the, the combined effort towards that goal that L
49:05
was possesses and it's in it's in some of its meanings, right?
49:08
That's the horse and the rider. A mutual again, goals in mind
49:14
that you have and then we're working together for that goal.
49:17
And there's a lot of that happening here in Middle,
49:19
Tennessee area, specifically, because we have a lot of folks
49:23
who have been dormant for a while because I like the virus
49:27
and other things and we we're reintroducing Park moots and
49:31
meetups in our area. And we're bringing people out
49:33
from the woodwork and there's a lot of activity happening in our
49:36
area and there's chatter happening.
49:38
There's there's activities going on.
49:39
There's events taking place. Has all kinds of things that are
49:43
in motion with big things in mind for the future.
49:49
You know, there's there's there's talk of a grand assembly
49:53
at some point between tribes and neighboring kindred's and stuff
49:56
in our area. It's still very you know new and
49:59
it's still very it hasn't even really talked about in any great
50:02
detail. But there are conversations
50:04
happening in interest, is there you know people's interest is
50:07
piqued, so cool that whole thing.
50:11
Does that reading Mary read through them?
50:15
It did? Yeah.
50:16
Yeah. Okay.
50:16
I would think after what you've just described.
50:20
So that's cool. So we just did a live reading
50:23
for you. There, you see it, folks.
50:26
I mean, I can't either. And again, the people that are,
50:30
you know, follow what I do there.
50:33
They know what I'm talking about, in sense that the history
50:35
of things, you know, stuff with my Goethe and, and just other
50:38
activities things that are going on.
50:40
Like it's all it reinforces things.
50:44
And what you ask of the runes, right?
50:48
What does it say is something along the line?
50:49
I forget the exact verbatim phrase in one of the sagas was
50:53
you know what, you ask of the runes will be true or that, you
50:56
know that the rooms don't lies. Actually, you know, like I mean
50:59
there there's a lot to them and the ones that The reading and
51:04
all of them, you know, the whole I think it's stanza.
51:07
The Harbour mods was a stanza 140 something, right?
51:10
Do you know how to read them to, you know, how to bless them?
51:12
Do you know how to send them to? You know, what a cast and do you
51:13
know how to blood them? Do you know how to sacrifice,
51:16
you know, how to do all these things?
51:17
Because if you don't you have no business plan playing with them.
51:21
All right, well, I spent my time playing first and then I became
51:29
serious. So, yeah, I mean, it's almost
51:32
kind of like I Think in a way almost with any trade, you know,
51:35
like you have to have a you have to have an interest to want to
51:39
explore, you know. So whether it's the Carpenter's
51:41
son, who likes to bang on trees with his stick or, you know, or
51:47
the, you know, any other sort of Craftsmen or Tradesmen that that
51:51
is looking to, you know, You know, grow that with their, that
51:58
their children and stuff. Like they have to have an
52:00
interest. They have to want to be
52:01
exploratory, they want. They have to want to play a
52:04
berries. Exactly.
52:05
Exactly. In the play, the play part.
52:07
At least for me is very important because that's where
52:10
you get the Curiosity. It is, curiosity, is the big
52:14
thing for me anyway. 60 idea that it exploratory.
52:17
It's not it's not to say that. You're just acting all
52:19
willy-nilly and being disrespectful and complacent.
52:22
No no it's it's that Curiosity. It's that It's very well part
52:27
and it's exploring within the tradition that, at least, for
52:31
me, that's where I do my exploring explore within the
52:37
framework of the Traditions that we've learned that we have in
52:42
this path. And so that's what's important,
52:48
at least for me. Yeah, I would agree with that.
52:52
And, you know how else can, You know, and I see this or I've
52:58
seen this happen, how else can you learn something without
53:03
first? Again you got to be out,
53:06
explore, you got it, you got to put your foot in the water
53:08
first. And then you also have to have
53:10
sometimes in some moments where, you know, like, oh shit, I
53:14
almost drowned. Or I almost felt like I almost
53:17
died. You know.
53:18
Like you got to have some of those moments that put you in
53:20
check and give you the sense of like the severity and the
53:24
reality of what. You're Doing you know like when
53:26
I was first learning any sort of skill or trade, you know, like
53:31
you're going to make mistakes along the way you're going to
53:33
fall and you but if you don't if you aren't allowed the
53:37
opportunity to explore and this is one of the thing I was trying
53:40
to say before it was like, kids, nowadays, they're inquisitive,
53:44
they're, they're naturally exploratory, right?
53:49
And how many times do we see? You know, cases where, you know,
53:55
kids and whatnot are prevented from exploring right now.
54:00
I don't want you to fall. I don't want you to hurt
54:01
yourself. I don't want you to get sick.
54:02
I don't want to do this. That's how they learn.
54:04
That's how they, that's how they become part of the world.
54:07
That's how we became part of the world right now.
54:10
Let's get out there. Yeah, thank you Dad, my father
54:14
taught me plus you know, don't be a, don't be afraid to let the
54:19
kids fall and bump their knees and scrape, their elbows and get
54:24
sick. A little bit along like, like
54:26
that's conditioning that that's part of what makes you capable
54:30
of dealing with the world. Now, it's not a bad thing.
54:34
As my father used to say, It's a Long Way From the Heart.
54:39
The pain is a long way from the heart.
54:42
Yeah, you know you can you can fall and get up again you know,
54:49
sir that's the cool thing about it.
54:52
Yeah it's not the end of the world, it's not the end of it
54:54
all and just because you tripped and fell doesn't mean that you
54:56
should stop if anything it means that now I know what not to do
54:59
to fall again. Like you know, it's it's that
55:02
old. Like why do we fall Master Wayne
55:06
so that we can learn Learn to pick ourselves up exactly.
55:10
It's the experience it's the learning and it's the knowing
55:13
that you have, you know, people around you and people near and
55:18
close to you. That the air was that the
55:20
teamwork, the the ones that want to achieve the same goals as you
55:23
that are willing to pick you up and when they fall, you're there
55:27
to pick them up and you know, you you rise and fall together
55:30
as it were. It's a Symbian sort of thing in
55:33
our existence in the world, is everything with each other.
55:36
It's, there's, you know, no. Three, nobody grows.
55:41
And this is part of, I don't know.
55:42
Like there's the randomness of it, how things segue, nobody
55:44
grows in isolation. Like there's there's, there's a
55:51
healing that happens in isolation.
55:54
There's a Realization. I think of oneself that happens
56:00
in isolation. But the growth happens when the
56:03
light steps in. When the Yara say, stage of
56:07
things that that cyclic rotation of.
56:11
All right, well you're done being dormant.
56:13
Now it's time to move on move. We see it.
56:17
I will we see it in nature, right?
56:18
Then the seasons of the year, you know?
56:20
If you stay, I mean Winters too long, what happens, right
56:25
fimbulwinter Yeah, we all know about that stay in stay in Isa
56:32
for too long and he said, you know it's you know you're stuck
56:34
in Frozen right? Exactly.
56:37
Yes. Very very good point.
56:41
I think see the cool thing is that and you're doing a great
56:46
job of it right now, illustrating how it works, you
56:50
learn all the stuff and then you have this vocabulary available
56:56
to you and you can go through it.
56:59
Really, you know, quickly because it's right there at a
57:03
and and you know what, you know, and you can say what you can say
57:09
and that's exciting for me. And you're doing a great example
57:13
of teaching that principle of, you know, learn the stuff and
57:17
then just go with it. You know, throw it out there and
57:22
let me work with it and You know, move forward, at least for
57:27
me. It's always about moving
57:29
forward. So move forward, and really
57:34
marry yourself to that aspect. So so that you can keep keep
57:39
progressing because that's all it's about for me, anywhere is
57:43
about progression. I want to progress, I always
57:46
want to progress and so that's kind of where I am.
57:50
Yeah, yeah, I think that's where we all want to be, right?
57:53
We don't want to I would help be stuck.
57:55
I would hope to write and then it's and it's tough and that's,
57:58
that's great. Why, you know, you've got some
58:01
literary work, you know, being happy and the whole you know,
58:04
let there be light thing like you'd like as you mentioned
58:07
before the world needs that people need that.
58:09
They need to know how to heal themselves.
58:12
And how to know that with what they're going through even if
58:14
they don't feel like it's you know even if what they're going
58:18
through is trash. Like if what they're feeling is
58:22
just I hate Right, right? You're still valid and you still
58:26
have things, you know, you're still loved, you still have ways
58:29
that you can work through it and it's not the end.
58:31
It's, you know, it's a point in the road that you're facing and
58:36
you know we got to get through it but it's not it's not the end
58:39
and there's there it's you don't have to feel hopeless and in
58:42
that difficult time, you know, right?
58:46
There's no such thing in my world is hopelessness.
58:49
I don't buy into the helplessness thing I buy into
58:53
the hope. Full thing I believe that it's
58:57
always something that can be talked upon.
59:00
You can you can have a hope and really focus on and move toward
59:06
it. And the next thing you know,
59:07
that hope is a reality and and at least in my experience and
59:14
you know that's that's another thing I'd like to give the youth
59:18
is, you know, be hopeful really approach.
59:24
Life from a hopeful place. Because if you do, Progress.
59:30
Hopefully, then you can find a whole world of things that you
59:36
didn't know, existed that a big and Broad and I think happy and
59:43
helpful. We have to, you have to go into
59:48
it with that mindset and I don't know, I mean, the way that I see
59:52
it, Kurt is like we have such a power within us to be able to
59:59
manipulate and to shape weird that none of like a lot of
1:00:03
people don't even realize that the impact that we have on the
1:00:05
web you know willing it purpose behind what we do the intent.
1:00:12
There's power in there, there, there's power in that and they,
1:00:15
and it can be used for good and it can be used for ill.
1:00:18
But the fact of the matter is that it's there, it's within us.
1:00:21
And if we just tap, if we allow ourselves to open up a little
1:00:24
bit and tap into the capabilities that we have, it's
1:00:28
it's totally within our reach, our minds ourselves.
1:00:32
We are more capable of things than we give ourselves credit
1:00:36
for at times. I feel I agree, I agree.
1:00:39
And some the more, the more we give us Those credit for the
1:00:43
more we move forward at least in my experience, because if you
1:00:47
give yourself credit for an event then you can move forward
1:00:51
because you said, oh I've achieved this Mark that off.
1:00:55
Now I can move to the next item on the list and then move
1:00:59
towards that. So, yeah, and send in and
1:01:03
speaking of achievements, man. Like, I mean after 30 plus years
1:01:08
and 20 more than being spent specifically, And divination and
1:01:14
divinatory work. What do you have anything that
1:01:17
I'm sure you do but could you like these there one particular
1:01:20
thing that stands out in your mind, I was like a profound or
1:01:23
standout moment where you maybe it.
1:01:27
Maybe it was a reading. Maybe it was a safe work session
1:01:31
or anything that maybe just stands out amongst everything
1:01:36
else for you. Sure sure.
1:01:38
I'm there was this one. I'm very close to my father,
1:01:43
he's passed, but I'm so very close to my father.
1:01:47
And there was an experience where I did the same session
1:01:50
where I reached out to him and he spoke to me and it was
1:01:56
profound and he was seeing, this is the way the Multiverse works
1:02:02
at least in my universe. My father was very as as a
1:02:08
living being. He was very dry.
1:02:10
Run. And he did not because he was
1:02:13
first generation American. So I'm his face.
1:02:18
His parents were German and so he was very German and he was
1:02:23
very anti-irish. Shall we?
1:02:27
Say he has, he has a yellow, you have a predilection to not like
1:02:31
the Irish, so it was very shocking for me years after he
1:02:37
had passed and moved on to, you know, A different plane to be
1:02:42
woken up in the middle of my sleep.
1:02:43
By his voice, saying the word drew it totally threw me for a
1:02:49
loop. I'm like, why would my dad be
1:02:51
saying Druid to me? But that started me down that
1:02:55
particular part of my path as well.
1:02:59
And I'm it was all a word from my Father which I've never would
1:03:02
have expected because it was an Irish sort of set up.
1:03:07
Yeah, he wasn't sad. So yeah, it's funny how The
1:03:11
Multiverse Works in ways like that at least.
1:03:14
Yeah. Well it is interesting that I
1:03:17
mean because The Druids were more than just Irish, I mean,
1:03:20
the Celts. Oh I know I noticed and the
1:03:22
Gauls and I mean like there's there's they were Mainland
1:03:26
Germanic of of Mainland Germanic Origins.
1:03:29
Whereas I don't know is who is a your surname?
1:03:33
Is it Norwegian? Who struck its Dutch.
1:03:37
Oh it's dutch. Okay, well I'm Dutch tummy.
1:03:39
Still wagon. That's I'm That's, that's
1:03:41
Duchess all day long. So yeah, yeah, poke Strat
1:03:45
literally means High Street. Okay.
1:03:48
Hog straps, highest. Okay.
1:03:52
Interesting in touch or whatever.
1:03:54
So yeah, but yeah. So it's interesting though that
1:03:57
the, The ancestral pull the ancestral call of Druid, it's
1:04:03
Celtic. It's it's not just Irish per se
1:04:07
but the connection the Primal layers Coming through in that
1:04:13
moment, really seem to transcend any sort of superficial
1:04:18
animosity or something that a person or persons may have had
1:04:21
between nationalities rise. Exactly, right?
1:04:26
Yeah, it's like it. Transcended all that and it's
1:04:29
like touch he died. So it was able to transcend at
1:04:33
all. Yeah, I connect to the roots of
1:04:36
things, you know? Like that the Deep Roots.
1:04:39
Wow. That's that's profound.
1:04:40
Exactly. Yeah.
1:04:41
So that was a cool moment for me in my development that kind of
1:04:46
stands out amongst all the stuff.
1:04:49
I mean here's the thing. I I live my life where I allow
1:04:54
the gods to throw things in my path.
1:04:58
You know, hit, they'll throw stuff at me and I'll be able to
1:05:01
look at it and decide whether or not to pick it up and work with
1:05:05
it or just let it lie there and walk around it.
1:05:09
So I like that. I like the fact that the gods
1:05:14
are constantly challenging me and I can either choose to pick
1:05:18
it up, or I can choose to leave the line and move on.
1:05:22
And so, that's the way I live my life.
1:05:26
I think it's an important thing to be reminded of because I
1:05:29
don't think that that's too uncommon for, you know, a lot of
1:05:33
us in the sense that, you know, the gods aren't here to tell us
1:05:37
what to do. No, they're not sitting in
1:05:40
Judgment of us. They're not telling us to do it
1:05:43
or else, they could really care less, but if we're connected to
1:05:46
them in a certain way and if we draw attention to ourselves
1:05:50
through such practices, as you know, saved work or other such
1:05:54
things that tap into the Sacred. There's almost like a like okay
1:06:00
well then we'll why you're here man.
1:06:01
You want to do this or you want to do that and it's a choice.
1:06:03
We it's right. It's a choice that we have to
1:06:06
make and the choice that we make is going to be determined on a
1:06:11
lot of things, a lot of factors and what happens thereafter,
1:06:15
right? So if I choose this x outcome
1:06:17
will We'll play out right? And if I don't then it's going
1:06:21
to happen a different way and it all goes back to write, like we
1:06:26
shape weird. We are the Shapers of we have
1:06:29
that capability. We literally do it day in and
1:06:31
day out without even thinking about it.
1:06:33
Absolutely, if we pick up that phone or answer that phone call
1:06:37
or text message, right? It's a choice.
1:06:39
We make to the very basics of things and we make that choice
1:06:43
every moment. Yes, in every moment, as long as
1:06:46
you're moving forward, You're making that choice each and
1:06:49
every moment and that's for me where the life of Life happens.
1:06:56
I'm using those Moment by moment choices that I build upon and so
1:07:02
that's that's kind of where I am and where I, you know, stand
1:07:10
work forward from. So yeah, I think we find
1:07:13
ourselves in many positions are many instances where whether we
1:07:17
look at It as you know, something that the gods give to
1:07:20
us and maybe it's more. Maybe, maybe, the God's
1:07:23
involvement is is again with more folks, who touched Who tie
1:07:28
weird with the gods, because if we're, if we're doing our thing
1:07:31
day-to-day, I think the gods could really care less in a way
1:07:34
like it's our ancestors and the local spirits and those that are
1:07:37
closely tied to is that are going to be influenced or have
1:07:41
influence in our lives. But if we're of the typing of
1:07:44
the Of the of the approach to wanna touch the sacred and go
1:07:49
places and do things that are outside of the normal profane,
1:07:53
existence and experience of humanity.
1:07:56
You're going to, you're going to, you're going to knock on
1:07:58
some doors, right? You're going to, you're going to
1:08:00
ring some bells and people are things are going to notice, you,
1:08:03
you're going to be noticed, right?
1:08:05
And so for folks, like, yourself and others that touch on those
1:08:11
planes and reach those areas, Well, you almost have a, an
1:08:19
obligation in a way. I don't know how you would look
1:08:22
at it but an obligation to be responsible and be informative
1:08:28
about things, you know. Absolutely.
1:08:30
And the responsibility comes in from again I'm going to talk
1:08:35
about moving forward because there's a responsibility and
1:08:38
moving forward. You have to take the
1:08:42
responsibility to make the steps that are going to move.
1:08:46
View forward. So the others all sorts of
1:08:50
responsibilities that plays in and I think that something else
1:08:55
I would like to say before we talk any more is that you know
1:08:59
I'm no big checks, I'm really no big deal I guess I'm just a guy
1:09:05
who did a lot of studying. Yes I did a lot of my homework
1:09:11
and everybody has the capability to do what I do and And I wish
1:09:18
they would. I say shake, shake yourself up
1:09:22
and do what I do. It's exciting.
1:09:25
What I do is exciting and thrilling and very much of the
1:09:29
moment, so it's very excited. So yeah, then and the, you know,
1:09:34
the humility and the recognition of that speaks volumes to.
1:09:38
I've said it so many times Kurt. I mean, I get people that, you
1:09:42
know, you're doing such great things, you know, really
1:09:44
appreciate what you're doing, blabbity blah and like, It's,
1:09:47
I'm just it's, you know, and it's funny how the name of this
1:09:49
podcast is random. Heathen ramblings.
1:09:51
I'm literally, just a random Heathen that that Rambles on,
1:09:54
sometimes by myself for an hour, because I don't have guests.
1:09:57
It's literally just my mind. Fire being thrown out to the
1:10:01
world to, to think about, right? Consider some things are based
1:10:05
on some things are based on historical fact, or so much as
1:10:10
we know it is historical fact because I love history and I
1:10:14
love knowing where things started from and I love To go
1:10:17
back and look at those aspects of things.
1:10:19
And there's there's things to be learned, but I'm also very
1:10:23
active in the practicing old ways in modern times.
1:10:28
So there's a contemporary value. I think that is inherent with a
1:10:32
phrase like that, you know, you have to flex a bit and be
1:10:36
flexible and to, in and be fluid to move along with the times.
1:10:44
You know, I love the Nature of certain things, like going back
1:10:49
to the way that I practice my day-to-day stuff.
1:10:53
I've I've become very ritualistic in that.
1:10:55
In that I'll take my, you know, I'll walk Barefoot in the earth
1:10:58
and in the water and everything, and I ground myself and
1:11:01
reconnect, to those Primal energies, the primordial forces
1:11:04
that shaped the very world that we live in, and I'm saying, that
1:11:10
way of touching on the past, or reconnecting to the roots in
1:11:13
that way is phenomenal. It's so healing, it's so
1:11:20
holistic, it's wonderful. I recommend it to, you know, you
1:11:23
don't have to get really heady with it but like, man, just take
1:11:27
your shoes off and walk around in the grass for 20 minutes.
1:11:29
I guarantee you, however, you felt before you started doing
1:11:32
it, you'll feel better after right guarantee, you'll feel
1:11:36
better. Yeah, it's wild man.
1:11:39
How it changes things for you. In the moment you could be
1:11:42
having the worst day in your life.
1:11:44
Just everything's going wrong for you.
1:11:46
You know, you burnt your paw Tart, you know you spilled your
1:11:48
coffee, whatever. I mean.
1:11:50
And then you know, you walk around out in nature in the
1:11:53
grass even just for, you know, 15, 20 minutes and you come back
1:11:56
and you're like, wow, I don't really give a shit about that
1:11:59
Pop-Tart anymore. So yeah.
1:12:05
Well I think that for me moving forward comes comes in a couple
1:12:09
of different ways because because I have this view point
1:12:13
of moving forward, always I founded the Vicky.
1:12:16
Evolve of forum on Facebook, which is a, which is a group, I
1:12:21
found that that five years ago, it's already 5 years old.
1:12:25
And so, I found it that and then, you know, I started this
1:12:28
page are contemporary Vicki about my Vicki work.
1:12:32
I and again, it's a matter of kind of the Gods, throw this
1:12:37
stuff in front of me and I say yes or no.
1:12:40
And these are things that I said.
1:12:41
Yes, true. And I'm so excited that I did
1:12:44
because that's about moving forward.
1:12:46
Those Two things alone, keep me moving forward.
1:12:49
So yeah. And either.
1:12:52
Yeah, these are these are public forums, right?
1:12:55
So, absolutely, you have to join, you know, the Vicki vote
1:13:00
for form but you know it's three easy questions while I think
1:13:04
there is a three questions for membership and you can join in
1:13:10
the fun and it's really, it's really a good group for Vicky
1:13:15
Volvo issues. So So drawing definitely,
1:13:19
that'll be that'll be something that we you know folks listen
1:13:22
and watching it's going to be annotated as well because II
1:13:26
totally spaced on that and I apologize.
1:13:28
But I forgot that the Vicki Volvo form is is your it's a
1:13:33
dumpster baby. Yeah, I mean that that's all you
1:13:35
can do and it's got don't know how many members are are now but
1:13:37
there's all kinds of activity going on there.
1:13:40
See, it's amazing, that's nuts, you know, 20 members, I was
1:13:48
like, oh we've got 20 and now we've got two thousand so it's
1:13:52
like one. Yeah, there's definitely an
1:13:54
interest for it. I think in the overall
1:13:56
population of the world because, you know, I'm assuming that your
1:14:01
group has memberships from everywhere in midgar.
1:14:05
It's not just the us, but all over the place.
1:14:08
Absolutely. So it's a networking
1:14:10
opportunity, you know, it's an opportunity for people who have
1:14:13
questions to learn and have You know, make friends perhaps.
1:14:18
It's a great opportunity. Yep.
1:14:20
Yep. Yep.
1:14:22
That'll all be in the, you know, description show notes.
1:14:25
All of Kurt's information is going to be annotated here.
1:14:28
So for everybody that's, you know, here get his books and
1:14:32
like support the man and what he's doing, join the Facebook
1:14:35
group, follow him on Facebook. Is that you Just give him a
1:14:42
little yard. You have a YouTube channel too,
1:14:45
don't you? I do love you too but I don't do
1:14:48
much on YouTube because I do so much.
1:14:50
I do so much on my contemporary that your page.
1:14:54
So I just kind of let that be my video spokes, You Know, spoken
1:14:59
place that you let me. Yeah my videos and stuff on a
1:15:05
contemporary 50. So okay for everybody then
1:15:09
follow him on. Facebook.
1:15:11
And, you know, For being here.
1:15:42
Today, we're going to wrap the podcast up and, you know, just
1:15:45
hold on for a little bit afterwards.
1:15:47
We covered a lot of topics, so you know, just to recap, you've
1:15:52
got the Vicki vulva form, you've got a contemporary Vicky
1:15:55
Facebook page. You've got some books to check
1:15:57
out on Amazon, anything else for the people to know about,
1:16:02
besides the things that we just mentioned, I'm just, you know,
1:16:07
be where I'm everywhere. Hey, man.
1:16:12
That's that's that's a loaded statement.
1:16:15
You might, you might, you might, you were over here, listening
1:16:19
over there in the corner. You might, you might dabble in
1:16:21
some safe, work, one day, you might run across this guy, you
1:16:23
never know. Oh my gosh.
1:16:27
Yeah, absolutely. Well Kurt thank you so much for
1:16:32
thank you. Had a good time and for those
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