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Ken Rosenthal on Judge v. Raleigh MVP debate, Reds status, Mets pitching + Vegas A’s break ground · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: I don't even know why this is a question. Of
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Speaker 1: course he's going to be in the candidacy for an MVP,
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Speaker 1: and of course he's going to be right there with Judge,
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Speaker 1: and of course it's a conversation.
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Speaker 2: That's the inside scoop with FTC andior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,
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Speaker 2: good to see you, and I liked the top of
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Speaker 2: Fair Territory the other day where you talked about the
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Speaker 2: MEH teams. Eh, the MEH teams. So I'm going to
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Speaker 2: bring one of them up because you also wrote about them,
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Speaker 2: I think two notes columns ago. And they're getting some
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Speaker 2: headlines today with Chase Burns, their first round pick starting
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Speaker 2: and making his MLB debut. Where you at on the Reds,
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Speaker 2: They've been, I think the definition of men so far
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Speaker 2: this year, just hanging around that five hundred mark.
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Speaker 3: They have been.
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Speaker 1: But this is a team that in my view and
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Speaker 1: in the view of some executives, clearly wants to go
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Speaker 1: for it and releasing Candelario or dfaing him and then
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Speaker 1: bringing up their number one prospect, Chase Burns after thirteen
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Speaker 1: minor league starts. He was there second overall pick in
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Speaker 1: the draft last year. That signals to me that this
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Speaker 1: team really wants to win and they're doing everything possible
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Speaker 1: to win. So I would expect while they have been
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Speaker 1: met they've been prime in the Med Division, they are
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Speaker 1: a team that will be looking to improve at the deadline.
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Speaker 1: We have a number of teams and this was kind
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Speaker 1: of the point of the segment yesterday that we don't
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Speaker 1: really know where they are and we kind of can't
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Speaker 1: figure out what they're doing yet because they can't figure
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Speaker 1: out what they're doing yet. I don't see the Reds
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Speaker 1: in that category.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 1: Are they going to go crazy and just trade prospects
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Speaker 1: left and right. That's not what they do. But do
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Speaker 1: I expect that they're going to do a number of
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Speaker 1: different things, or at least a couple of different things. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I do.
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Speaker 5: Another one of the teams you covered as my hometown
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Speaker 5: team up here, Seattle, and they had a hot start
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Speaker 5: and now they're.
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Speaker 3: Back to being men.
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Speaker 5: Outside of cal Rawley, what does this team need to
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Speaker 5: do to actually make a push here and maybe make
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Speaker 5: the playoff, maybe even win a very winnable division that
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Speaker 5: is being led by a team that is the Where's
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Speaker 5: the entire team's hurt? And they're still up five games
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Speaker 5: what does Seattle need to do to help cal Rawley
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Speaker 5: scores runs?
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Speaker 1: Trevor, In my opinion, they need to go get a
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Speaker 1: first baseman, and there are a couple of guys out there,
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Speaker 1: Josh Naylor, if the Diamondbacks are willing to move him,
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Speaker 1: which they are not just yet, and if he is
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Speaker 1: healthy because last night he left the game with the
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Speaker 1: shoulder issue. That's one name. Ryan O'Hearn is an even
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Speaker 1: better name. This guy's having a breakout year at an
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Speaker 1: advanced age, and it's great to see he's going to
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Speaker 1: be an All Star. It looks like he's a guy
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Speaker 1: who could definitely help them. So that is the one
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Speaker 1: position where it seems to me that is an obvious
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Speaker 1: place to add. And with their pitching, they have to
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Speaker 1: do something to boost the offense again. Now They're pitching
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Speaker 1: hasn't been quite as good this year, but Gilbert is back.
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Speaker 1: Now they're still waiting on Bryce Miller, who knows they are,
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Speaker 1: but they've got the top four intact, and from that perspective,
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Speaker 1: they've got to go and try to do some things.
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Speaker 6: Ken can cal Raly beat Aaron Judge in the MVP
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Speaker 6: because for me, right now, he's.
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Speaker 3: Got to be talked about.
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Speaker 6: I know everyone already gave it to Aaron Judge. Isn't
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Speaker 6: that cal Rowly has thirty one homers. As a catcher
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Speaker 6: that catches every day, he's gotta at least be in
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Speaker 6: the voting. I mean, if he continues this, he's going
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Speaker 6: to be talked about as the all time greatest season
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Speaker 6: by a catcher that catches every day.
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Speaker 2: Hold up, hold up, Ken, before you answer, sorry, I
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Speaker 2: just I need to clarify something because AJ is giving
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Speaker 2: Kyle Riley's home run total slander. It's it's actually thirty
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Speaker 2: two home runs.
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Speaker 6: He has one every minute, so you know one, I'd
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Speaker 6: be thirty four now.
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Speaker 2: Tough to keep up with that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know. I don't even know why
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Speaker 1: this is a question. Of course, he's going to be
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Speaker 1: in the candidacy for an MVP if he continues this,
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Speaker 1: and of course he's going to be right there with Judge,
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Speaker 1: and of course it's a conversation. I don't know that
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Speaker 1: we ever give out MVPs in April or May, or
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Speaker 1: even for that matter. We don't give them out until
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Speaker 1: at the end of the season September, So depending on
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Speaker 1: how the rest of the season goes. He absolutely can
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Speaker 1: overtake judge and if he does, he does, and if
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Speaker 1: he doesn't, he doesn't. But to me, it's not even
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Speaker 1: a question that he is in that conversation. I don't
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Speaker 1: even know why people look at it like that. And
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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of commentary along these lines, Oh
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Speaker 1: my gosh, can cal Rawley challenge it?
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Speaker 7: Yes, hello, thirty two homers, as Scott just said, And
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Speaker 7: he is playing a position where it's tough to win
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Speaker 7: an MVP from because it's tough with the responsibilities that
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Speaker 7: a catcher has.
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Speaker 1: It's also tough, as some people have pointed out, in
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Speaker 1: this era of wins above replacement, where catchers are not
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Speaker 1: necessarily given the credit they deserve. If cal Raley is
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Speaker 1: there at the end, then war to me is a
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Speaker 1: less significant thing this year. It should not be that
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Speaker 1: significant any year. It's a guide post. It's something you
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Speaker 1: look at and definitely take into consideration. But there are
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Speaker 1: so many variables that go into ca acting in particular,
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Speaker 1: that has to be taken into account.
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Speaker 6: All right, Ken, Since if you have a vote for
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Speaker 6: the al MVP right now, who you're voted for, one
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Speaker 6: word and don't say, I won't answer I.
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Speaker 1: Won't answer, you know what, because it's June twenty fourth.
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Speaker 3: Who cares right now?
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Speaker 6: I'm saying right now, Ken, not two months from now.
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Speaker 1: Right now, right now now, rally. But at the same time, again,
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Speaker 1: it's an irrelevant question. You're just a former catcher root
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Speaker 1: for your old friend here and you know, hey, that's cool.
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Speaker 4: Respect.
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Speaker 2: Hey it's it's first half Awards. We're getting close to
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Speaker 2: the end of the first half. So even just just
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Speaker 2: for fun, just for fun, And here's my thing. So
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Speaker 2: I want to follow up here, Ken, how much do
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Speaker 2: you think war factors into most writers looking at players
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Speaker 2: these days as a guide versus as an end all.
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Speaker 2: I know it's been written about quite a bit. I
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Speaker 2: just want to point out, you know, I think the
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Speaker 2: two that that most people will go off of in
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Speaker 2: the public sphere are fangrafts War and as of iron.
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Speaker 2: Judge is at six point one, cal Rally is at
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Speaker 2: five point three. They're the two leaders. In my mind,
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Speaker 2: that's so damn close. If you're following war, and then
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Speaker 2: on the baseball reference war side, it's actually a little
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Speaker 2: more interesting. You got Judge at five point six, Raley's
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Speaker 2: at four point four. So again, so close. That you
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Speaker 2: should look at other factors in my mind, and then
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Speaker 2: Jeremy Payne is actually a four point five on the
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Speaker 2: baseball reference side, right in between those shortstop Astro's team
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Speaker 2: that lost a lot of players, that's leading the division.
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Speaker 2: So your thoughts on all of that.
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Speaker 1: War is something that definitely most of the writers look at,
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Speaker 1: if not all, and that's fair. It is the one
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Speaker 1: stat we have that is all encompassing, but it's not perfect,
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Speaker 1: and it's an estimate. It's not a stat like, for instance,
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Speaker 1: batting average, which is not an estimate. War is an estimate,
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Speaker 1: and when you have differences of say point two point three,
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Speaker 1: it's equivalent essentially, So when it comes to a catcher
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Speaker 1: or even a shortstop competing with an Aaron Judge in
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Speaker 1: right field. Obviously, I know war takes into account defensive
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Speaker 1: positioning or positions and where players play, but again, does
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Speaker 1: it take into account all the different responsibilities a catcher
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Speaker 1: has with a pitching staff. Of course not, so it
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Speaker 1: has to be looked at differently, and we as a
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Speaker 1: voting group have to be flexible enough in our thinking
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Speaker 1: not to make this the war standings every year, and
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Speaker 1: I don't know that we have Obviously, the guys who
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Speaker 1: are the leaders in war did really well in the
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Speaker 1: MVP voting because they're the best players. But it cannot
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Speaker 1: be an end all, be all. No stat can be,
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Speaker 1: really and that's basically the way I.
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Speaker 3: Look at it.
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Speaker 5: A couple interesting things also to keep in mind with
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Speaker 5: cal Rawlyly, just to touch on him one more time,
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Speaker 5: he actually has more stolen bases than Aaron Judge, and he's.
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Speaker 3: Beating him at his own game.
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Speaker 5: With the home runs and with the changes of the
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Speaker 5: strike zone this year, the high strike's kind of gone away,
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Speaker 5: and if that were there, his war be even up
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Speaker 5: higher because that was he was elite at getting those
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Speaker 5: strikes and now they're not really there anymore.
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Speaker 3: So just one of the points all those things out.
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Speaker 5: I would actually like to shift gears really quickly because
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Speaker 5: we have a debut for Mets who need starting pitching
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Speaker 5: a little bit, and Frankie Montas is going to make
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Speaker 5: his first outing now. His rehab appearances haven't looked the best.
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Speaker 5: What can we expect out of Frankie? Is he the
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Speaker 5: solution to some of the Mets problems right now as
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Speaker 5: their scuffling, Trevor.
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Speaker 1: I have no idea because of that thirteen era on
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Speaker 1: the rehab assignment. Now, I did Mets Phillies over the
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Speaker 1: weekend for Fox, and I asked around with the Mets
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Speaker 1: before that game. All right, what is the deal with
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Speaker 1: Montas why is he struggling so much? A trip AA,
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Speaker 1: And what I was told is that he has had
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Speaker 1: a mechanical issue that they've identified. Now he had not
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Speaker 1: corrected it.
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Speaker 2: As of yet.
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Speaker 1: It's one of those things, Trevor. You can probably speak
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Speaker 1: to this that he's fine with in the bullpen when
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Speaker 1: he's throwing, but once against into the game, the bad
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Speaker 1: habits kind of re emerge and that can happen, right,
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Speaker 1: So to me, the good news there was all right,
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Speaker 1: they've identified the problem what it is, and what I
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Speaker 1: was told is he's working hard to correct it sometimes
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Speaker 1: though it's not so easy to translate, and when you're
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Speaker 1: going from Triple A to the major leagues, I would
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Speaker 1: imagine Trevor, it becomes that much more difficult.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yes to all of those things. Bullpens are not
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Speaker 5: the game, especially if it's a rotational thing, which I'm
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Speaker 5: guessing that's sub problem he's had in the past with
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Speaker 5: getting his timing going so yanking pitches or leaving them
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Speaker 5: up armside a lot, which is not what you want
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Speaker 5: out of the gate. So hopefully that is something that
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Speaker 5: they can address. But shout out to Jeremy Hefner there's
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Speaker 5: not many guys in the league that can I think
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Speaker 5: handle those problems quickly better than him, So he's in
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Speaker 5: good hands, Trevor.
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Speaker 1: We should mention the Met's issue right now, their biggest issue.
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Speaker 1: While the rotation is a concern and it's regressed and
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Speaker 1: they've had injuries and regression and all kinds of things happening,
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Speaker 1: their offense is really top heavy at the moment. They're
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Speaker 1: not getting much five through nine at all, So it's
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Speaker 1: kind of a perfect storm of events kind of submerging
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Speaker 1: them right now. And clearly they're going to have to
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Speaker 1: fix all of these things to get back to where
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Speaker 1: they were. I don't know that they will. But at
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Speaker 1: the same time, they still have a very strong team.
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Speaker 1: They have president Baseball Operations who will make the tweaks necessary.
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Speaker 1: They are going to be looking for an infielder as
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Speaker 1: well as a starting pitcher most likely, and of course
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Speaker 1: all teams will be looking for bullpen help. So the
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Speaker 1: deadline for them is looming as more interesting than it
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Speaker 1: might have been, say two weeks ago.
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Speaker 6: Hey, both New York teams are struggling right now, Ken,
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Speaker 6: so you can throw the Yankees in there also as
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Speaker 6: a team that's not doing great. Yeah, right now, New York.
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Speaker 6: There's people panicking in New York. There's there's a lot
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Speaker 6: of craziness happening in there. But tonight Chase Burns goes
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Speaker 6: against the Yankees. I asked Trent Rosecrantch yesterday. Could they
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Speaker 6: have not have found it easier landing spot for Chase
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Speaker 6: Burns to make his debut than at home against the Yankees?
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Speaker 6: Could they not have waited till the Rockies or someone
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Speaker 6: else comes into town to give the stead They're like, hey,
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Speaker 6: go get the Rockies.
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Speaker 1: Certainly a fair question. This guy's the second pick of
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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four draft and now he's facing Aaron
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Speaker 1: Judge less than a year later. That's a lot to ask.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: I read about him a little bit, and I guess
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Speaker 1: Trent wrote an article in which it was related to
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Speaker 1: him that I guess Chase Burns's dream is to face
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Speaker 1: Aaron Judge. Well, the dream starts tonight. We'll see if
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Speaker 1: it's a dream or a nightmare. But from what I
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Speaker 1: understand of Chase Burns, and I'm not a prospect expert
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Speaker 1: or a draft expert, so what I know is basically
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Speaker 1: what I read. But he's a guy who's not afraid.
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Speaker 1: He is a guy who's emotional on the mound, but controlled,
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Speaker 1: so he pitches with passion and he's someone who of
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Speaker 1: course has great stuff. That's why he was the number
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Speaker 1: two pick in the draft, and you see right there
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Speaker 1: that's who he is. So I'm looking forward to this.
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Speaker 1: I always love debuts, period, and this kid sounds like
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Speaker 1: he's obviously got something, much the way they saying, the
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Speaker 1: way they pushed their number one prospect to the big
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Speaker 1: leagues last year. So it's going to be really interesting
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Speaker 1: tonight to see him against Aaron Judge and the rest.
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Speaker 3: Of the Yankees.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of the Yankees, last one for you here, Ken.
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Speaker 2: It's a topic that we're going to cover later in
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Speaker 2: the show. We had Clint Fraser on the show last
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Speaker 2: or last week, a former Yankee. He talked about how,
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Speaker 2: you know, he doesn't love certain parts of computer models
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Speaker 2: telling teams when to sit players, and I think there's
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Speaker 2: two equations here. There is the load management side and
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Speaker 2: there is the projections against a certain picture or lineup.
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Speaker 2: It became relevant when Anthony Bolpi, who was on a
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Speaker 2: cold streak, had a big game on Saturday, hit a
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Speaker 2: home run and at least another knock, maybe three knocks
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Speaker 2: in that game, and had been I think over twenty
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Speaker 2: five entering that one. He sits Sunday scheduled day off.
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Speaker 2: It was reported by multiple writers that that was the plan.
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Speaker 2: They went through with the plan yesterday over four to
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Speaker 2: two strikeouts, loses the bat twice. Do you believe in that?
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Speaker 2: Do you think that that's something that should be implemented
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Speaker 2: or do you think there should be more of a
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Speaker 2: conversation with teams. I don't know if you've experienced that,
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Speaker 2: But also just from an opinion basis, what do you
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Speaker 2: think of that? Because for me, I'm like, finally he
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Speaker 2: got some knocks, he got a homer, let him play
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Speaker 2: the next day.
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Speaker 1: Well, the mess just sent down Francisco Alvarez the day
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Speaker 1: after he hit a four hundred and fifty foot homer.
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Speaker 1: So these teams are not looking at necessarily the small
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Speaker 1: sample of one game.
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Speaker 2: Do I agree with that?
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Speaker 1: I think you have to take it on a case
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Speaker 1: by case basis. And the one thing that we've lost
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Speaker 1: in the game, and I can rail on this all
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Speaker 1: day long, we all could, is the loss of feel
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Speaker 1: and sometimes the modeling and the projections over ride the field.
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Speaker 1: That a manager might have for how a player is
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Speaker 1: doing at a particular time. And I found it interesting
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Speaker 1: reading the quotes from Tony Mancelino, the Oriols manager this
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Speaker 1: morning on Jackson Holiday. Jackson Holiday is a left handed hitter.
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Speaker 1: He's a guy they sat against Scooble, as you would
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Speaker 1: with a left handed hitter against that kind of pitcher.
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Speaker 1: But Mancellino said, you know what, this guy's going to
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Speaker 1: be our lead off guy every day, hopefully for the
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Speaker 1: next five years and beyond, because they feel that Jackson
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Speaker 1: Holliday has made adjustments against left handers and is capable
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Speaker 1: of handling them. One thing that is always interesting with
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Speaker 1: this argument, and I've talked about this with Jack Peterson,
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Speaker 1: a guy who of course sits against lefties and others too.
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Speaker 1: How are you expected to hit lefties if you don't
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Speaker 1: get the chance to hit lefties? And this is a
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Speaker 1: question that teams don't necessarily want to address. They just say, well,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't hit lefties, so we're gonna sit them, and
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Speaker 1: that's that okay with veteran players. Sometimes with track records
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Speaker 1: with younger players, when you're not allowing them to grow,
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Speaker 1: that I question, and it's always kind of a chicken
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Speaker 1: and egg thing, and I'm not sure what the proper
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Speaker 1: answer is. And again, each player is different, each circumstance
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Speaker 1: and team is different. But it seems to me that
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Speaker 1: we've lost in some cases feel the feel for feel
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Speaker 1: that we once had in the game.
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Speaker 3: And while it would be.
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Speaker 1: Extreme to go back the other way, base it all
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Speaker 1: on field and not look at the models and the
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Speaker 1: projections and all that, the balance is what the best
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Speaker 1: teams have, and sometimes teams get out of whack with
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Speaker 1: that and it's a problem.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And my thing is, I mean, with Albarez, you're
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Speaker 2: gonna send him down and that's kind of in the plans,
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Speaker 2: and one home run is not going to change your mind. Fine,
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Speaker 2: but if you're planning on Volpi being your guy up
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Speaker 2: here and you want to instill a little bit of
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Speaker 2: confidence that the dude play after he finally got himself
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Speaker 2: back on the board. We'll ask Trevor and aj about
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Speaker 2: this too coming And I'm.
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Speaker 1: Not sure, Scott, I have to look at this, but
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Speaker 1: are they in a stretch where they're playing like sixteen
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Speaker 1: in a row.
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Speaker 3: I think they might be.
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Speaker 1: And that factor, yeah, yeah, that's that's a factor that's
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Speaker 1: a real thing.
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Speaker 6: Let them play.
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Speaker 4: Let them.
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Speaker 2: I think we know what AJ's answer is going to be.
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Speaker 3: Later.
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Speaker 2: Let's let Ken jump. We'll get to this coming up. Ken.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, We'll catch you later this week.
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Speaker 3: Thanks guys.
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Speaker 2: All right, that's the inside scoop from Ken Rosenthal. Also,
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Speaker 2: the Found Territory YouTube channel Hockcorner. Let sizzle. The A's
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Speaker 2: finally broke round in Vegas and they didn't invite former
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Speaker 2: athletic Trevor May. Trevor, your thoughts on them finally breaking
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Speaker 2: round with this photo that honestly looks photoshopped. I know
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Speaker 2: it's not, but it does.
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Speaker 3: I mean, who knows what's real anymore, you know what
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Speaker 3: I mean?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I love a good John Fisher photo, especially when
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Speaker 5: he doesn't have his eyes open, and they chose that
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Speaker 5: one to post because I'm sure they all had their
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Speaker 5: eyes closed in them.
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Speaker 3: But that said, you know, my jab thrown.
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Speaker 5: I'm glad that it's actually happening, or at least on
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Speaker 5: paper it's happening, because I know a lot of the
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Speaker 5: stuff in the background there is positioned that way for
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Speaker 5: show and they're not actually doing anything with their golden shovels.
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Speaker 3: Come on, I do.
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Speaker 5: Think I do think it's a net positive. And at
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Speaker 5: the end of the day, we know what Sacramento's like
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Speaker 5: and that can't.
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Speaker 3: Be long term.
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Speaker 5: It simply cannot. It's already kind of long term with
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Speaker 5: three years. But if that's gonna be our pivot plan,
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Speaker 5: we got to avoid that one. Like the plague, we
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Speaker 5: cannot play well at least on that field. So this
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Speaker 5: is a step in the in the in the right direction.
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Speaker 5: And you just have to deal with John Fisher being around,
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Speaker 5: and I think that has something to do new with
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Speaker 5: me not being invited. Maybe maybe I don't know.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I have a question for you here, Trevor. Okay,
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Speaker 6: Dave Stewart, right, Dave Stewart is mister Oakland. Isn't he
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Speaker 6: from Oakland? Born and bread Roly Fingers played in Oakland?
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Speaker 6: Dallas Braiden from Stockton, mister Oakland. They're all there like, Hey,
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Speaker 6: we're so happy they're going to Vegas. Where was all
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Speaker 6: Where's all the vitriol that we used to see where
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Speaker 6: they were all mad about them leaving Oakland? In the
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Speaker 6: Bay Area. Now they're just like, oh, they're writing me
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Speaker 6: at paychecks and we're happy that they're going to Vegas?
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Speaker 6: Is that how it works?
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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, the having a job is a big part of it,
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Speaker 5: and you know there there's a lot of that. Those
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Speaker 5: two guys specifically have pretty prominent roles, uh, you know
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Speaker 5: in the media side of that team, and if you
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Speaker 5: are representing the team as the media, there is a
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Speaker 5: certain level of of swallow. Just put it, put down
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Speaker 5: all that to the side, and just try to cover
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Speaker 5: the guys that are out there because it's weird.
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Speaker 3: When I was there, it's pretty clear.
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Speaker 5: You know, everyone knows, everyone knows what's what's up, and
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Speaker 5: everyone knows that they don't have the best taste in
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Speaker 5: the mouth of how things are handled or whether or
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Speaker 5: not they can trust the person that's writing their paychecks
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Speaker 5: at the other day. But you look around and everyone's
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Speaker 5: kind of in that same boat, just like, hey, you know,
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Speaker 5: jobs are I've heard that specifically, jobs are hard to
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Speaker 5: come by. Don't step on toes, you know, that's that's
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Speaker 5: popular everywhere. It's just one of those like is it
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Speaker 5: worth it to be a martyr here? Like if me
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Speaker 5: saying anything going to pile on and really make it
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Speaker 5: real and anything change, which I know that's not the best.
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Speaker 3: Way to to approach things all the time.
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Speaker 5: But I also can't blame anybody from from taking that
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Speaker 5: that I think that stance and just trying to to
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Speaker 5: navigate the waters as best they can with the power
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Speaker 5: that they have to to affect anything at all.
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Speaker 3: And you know, we we cover we talk about base
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Speaker 3: all the time.
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Speaker 5: At the end of the day, the owners do what
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Speaker 5: they owners want to do, like nobody can like at
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Speaker 5: the end of it, if they decide, there's very little
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Speaker 5: anyone could do about anything.
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Speaker 3: And so you know, it's it's easy for a guy.
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Speaker 5: Who just like like me, who was just walked out
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Speaker 5: the door and then started yelling over his shoulder, right,
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Speaker 5: But I could have done stuff when I was there,
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Speaker 5: But you know, it was one of those things like
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Speaker 5: what what effect does that have? And I think that
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Speaker 5: you know, knowing Dallas and knowing Dave Stewart, that I
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Speaker 5: just can't blame them or get too mad at them
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Speaker 5: for for you know, if you even if you say
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Speaker 5: no to that situation, you know, how does that look.
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Speaker 5: It's like one of those things like I paint it
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Speaker 5: in a corner here. Uh, and I and I'm gonna
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Speaker 5: be around the boss, so I gotta I gotta.
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Speaker 3: Fake it, maake it till you make it. That's just
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Speaker 3: how the world works.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Ce Sabbathia is from that area. You can
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Speaker 2: speak up about what's gone on. Right, isn't new from
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Speaker 2: the Oakland area?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but he's not. He's employed by the.
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Speaker 2: Commission, Right, So they.
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Speaker 5: Won't be Yeah, they won't be They won't be asked
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Speaker 5: if they're like, they just won't be included. And that's
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Speaker 5: just I think it's important for them as ex players
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Speaker 5: to be included and have a have a seat at
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Speaker 5: the table in a voice. And sometimes you have to
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Speaker 5: just like let some stuff go by so you can
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Speaker 5: stay included. I think this is just it's just how
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Speaker 5: politics works, guys. I think that's just this is how
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Speaker 5: it works. And you have to pick and choose your spots,
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Speaker 5: and uh, you know you can criticize the spots, but
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Speaker 5: you know you got to keep that in mind. And
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Speaker 5: and is it more valuable to have you in the
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Speaker 5: room in a lot most cases, I say yes.
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Speaker 2: There's current players that could say more. Ones that are
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Speaker 2: on other teams that we know are never going to
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Speaker 2: end up there that are in long term contracts. I've
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Speaker 2: always been curious about this one. I mean, obviously the
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Speaker 2: union can say more to about what's gone on, but
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Speaker 2: to me, I mean, part of it is like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: they're telling you how they feel. I mean, they clearly,
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Speaker 2: you know, wanted to see a change, and they're not
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Speaker 2: that invested in moving to Vegas, you know, like I'm saying,
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Speaker 2: they're not that invested in leaving Oakland really in moving
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Speaker 2: to Vegas, most of the players, Trevor, I mean, otherwise
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Speaker 2: you would have heard from some of the big names
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Speaker 2: in the sport speaking out about it or the union side,
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Speaker 2: you know, there hasn't been a lot of pushback on
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Speaker 2: that front.
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Speaker 3: That's a good point.
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Speaker 5: That's a good point, Like you've heard noen gung ho
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Speaker 5: for the solution that it's being, you know, but out
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Speaker 5: there because i think at the end of the day,
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Speaker 5: they just don't They're just not convinced anything anything like
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Speaker 5: day to day or operationally is going to change because
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Speaker 5: the same people are making decisions. It doesn't matter if
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Speaker 5: there's a new park there, doesn't matter if you're in
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Speaker 5: a new state that's way hotter, like it's just the
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Speaker 5: the decisions are still going to be made the way
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Speaker 5: they've always been made. Unless you see something else, Like
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Speaker 5: see something else happen, you're not going to know to
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Speaker 5: you there.
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Speaker 3: But if you go by the last I don't know,
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Speaker 3: twenty years.
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Speaker 5: You're gonna be like, Yeah, he's probably gonna keep doing
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Speaker 5: the same stuff, and we're just it's gonna be the
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Speaker 5: same thing. So what's the point of going through all
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Speaker 5: this work to move and change and have us have
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Speaker 5: to deal with all this stuff if nothing's actually gonna
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Speaker 5: change for us and today we're still going to have
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Speaker 5: to go out there and grind and win despite.
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Speaker 3: Certain situations, certain circumstances.
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Speaker 2: I think some people are just crossing their fingers hoping
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Speaker 2: that this gets settled eventually, get the team out of
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Speaker 2: a minor league park, get them into Vegas, and hopefully
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Speaker 2: the owner then cashes in on the franchise value going up,
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Speaker 2: which is what he did. John Fisher just now with
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Speaker 2: what the San Jose Earthquakes, is that the name of
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Speaker 2: the team that he just sold for a whole bunch
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Speaker 2: of money and made like.
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Speaker 3: Value out on his return.
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Speaker 5: Didn't they win like four games all time? Beyond the
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Speaker 5: team or something.
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Speaker 2: Dude, the expansion fee I think was like twenty million,
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Speaker 2: and don't quote me on this, we can correct it
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Speaker 2: later to get the exacts. And I think he sold
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Speaker 2: it for like six hundred million something like that, So
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Speaker 2: he did pretty good on getting it on that investment.