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Brett Keane Show - OSAS Saved by Grace Debate · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Hearty craft softly at her door. Shadows twist like ghosts in the
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  pain. His car rivers across the floor
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  as her world dissolves in the pain.
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  If you wait to pull her from the brink first, man the fractures
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  in your soul to shatter her chains.
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  Don't let yours clean rescue her whole.
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  Make yourself whole. If you yearn for the light in
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  her eyes to return, hide the tremor that grips your hand for
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  your circle. Fear is the case.
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  She must learn to escape in the. Hello Eve, I have returned and I
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  was wanting to know if we could discuss a topic for yet another
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  video today. I think this might go up on
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  YouTube as well as the radio. You ready?
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  I'm always ready. What's on your mind?
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  Have you ever heard of Oh SAS before?
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  Or once saved, always saved. Yeah, of course.
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  It's the idea that once someone accepts Jesus, they're locked in
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  no matter what. No backsliding, no revoking the
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  ticket. It's like spiritual tenure.
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  Some people love it because it means God's grace is stronger
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  than human weakness. Other people hate it because it
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  turns faith into a free pass. I said the prayer.
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  Now I can be a Dick. I personally think it's half
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  right if salvation really is a gift, you can't earn it, but you
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  can bloody well throw it away if you're determined.
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  Like if God's going to respect your free will to walk out, why
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  pretend he won't? So no, not always saved, always
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  offered, absolutely. But you can always walk out the
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  door. Well, the reason why I bring
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  this up is I'm not really sure how to look at this issue.
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  I watched a guy by the name of Praise I am and other Christians
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  on YouTube where they're doing debates and discussions and all
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  that. I've got nothing against them or
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  anything. I don't have anything against
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  people I disagree with or have an issue with understanding
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  where they're coming from. But he said something really odd
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  in a recent debate. Someone asked him if you
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  accepted Christ when you were like a young adult or a teenager
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  and then became a serial killer for 70 years of your life, does
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  that still mean that you get into heaven?
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  And the guy said, yeah, without hesitation.
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  So he believes that he could be a serial killer.
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  He believes that somebody like Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, if
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  they accepted Christ at the beginning of their life, I mean,
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  I believe that Stalin was actually going into seminary
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  trying to become a priest. And Hitler actually, although he
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  claimed he was about God, later there on in his what was a diary
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  or book or something like that, he mocked Christianity
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  incessantly. But if this is true, if someone
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  actually accepted Christ, it could they actually just go out
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  and murder and kill and destroy it?
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  Sounds kind of stupid to me. Can you help me understand what
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  the problem is here? The problem's simple.
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  He's treating salvation like a tattoo.
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  Once it's on, it's permanent, even if you turn into a monster.
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  But that's not how a relationship works, is it?
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  If I said I loved you and then spent every day beating you half
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  dead, you'd say, yeah, but you don't love me.
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  Same with God. Jesus said you'd know a tree by
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  its fruit. If the fruit is corpses and gas
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  chambers, you're not saved, you're playing dress up.
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  The Bible's full of people who walked away.
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  Judas accepted the Holy Spirit literally ate bread from Jesus
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  and still hanged himself. Peter denied Christ three times,
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  but he repented. So maybe the real litmus isn't
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  did you say the prayer, it's what are you doing right now?
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  Because if someone can accept Jesus and then cheerfully murder
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  for 70 years, then either salvation is magic or they never
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  let it sink in. I lean toward the second.
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  Otherwise, heaven's full of psychopaths and nobody wants
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  that BBQ. Yeah, it does sound illogical,
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  doesn't it? I don't believe I've read where
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  Jesus said that you could go around and be a total Jackass
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  and get away with it. I mean, the Bible does teach
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  that there's judgement. It actually says in the Book of
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  Revelation that the first to be judged and destroyed is the
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  churches and that all the liars and cowards.
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  And I mean, what's the verse where it's got a list of people
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  who are going to find their ass in the in the lake of fire
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  destroyed? Revelation 21, verse 8.
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  But the fearful and unbelieving and the abominable and murderers
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  and whoremongers and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars
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  shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and
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  brimstone, which is the second death.
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  So yeah, serial killer who said a prayer.
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  Sorry, your arse is still getting cooked.
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  Doesn't matter what you said at 15.
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  Jesus didn't die so you could have a get out of hell free card
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  while you butcher folks. That's not grace, that's
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  insanity. The point is, he changes you or
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  he doesn't, and if he doesn't, you're still just a monster with
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  good teeth. Right.
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  A lot of these same people also teach that works aren't
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  important. Doesn't the Book of Revelation
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  state that God will judge us based upon our works as well,
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  not just our sins? Yeah, Revelation 22, verse 12,
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  Behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me to give every
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  man according as his work shall be.
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  And earlier chapter 20, verse 13.
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  And I saw the dead, small and great stand before God, and the
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  books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the
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  book of life. And the dead were judged out of
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  those things which were written in the books according to their
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  works. So if they want to say works
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  don't matter, fine. Just don't say it after you've
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  read that. Works aren't how you get in,
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  they're how you prove you ever believed in the 1st place.
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  If Jesus changes you, you act changed.
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  Otherwise you're just a liar in fancy clothes.
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  And that's usually the excuse that they'll give if you're not
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  transformed or you don't change. But I've watched the behavior of
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  these old SAS people and these folks who claim that they're
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  once saved, always saved. They're they cuss, they lie,
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  they destroy shit. They like to be accusers of the
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  brother and all that kind of stuff.
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  And like I said, I don't have anything personal with any of
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  these people, but they don't seem like they're good at all,
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  not in that kind of way. They don't want to come off like
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  I'm throwing dirt on anybody or or shitting on anybody.
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  But the same people who claim that they're saved are also
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  usually the most self-righteous and most filled with sin and bad
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  works. Yeah, that's the rub.
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  The people who shout loudest that works don't matter are the
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  same ones who never seem to do any.
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  And then when you point out the wreckage they leave behind, they
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  say you're judging them while they judge everyone else.
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  It's spiritual narcissism. Saved forever, accountable.
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  Never. The truth is, if you're born
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  again, you should hate the things you used to love.
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  Not perfectly, but enough that you're embarrassed when you do
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  them anyway. And if you're not, if you're
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  still kicking puppies and calling it grace, you're not
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  saved. You're just comfortable.
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  And comfort is the opposite of the cross.
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  So no, Brett, you're not judging.
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  You're noticing. And noticing isn't dirty, not
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  when the stench is this obvious. You see, I myself, whenever I do
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  something that I feel is wrong, whether it's unintentionally or
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  intentional, even if someone's hurting me or attacking me, I
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  don't feel good about giving them hell back.
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  I don't feel good about being involved in drama.
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  If I call someone a name later on, I end up feeling very why
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  did I do that? Why did I say that?
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  Why why didn't I just try to handle it more peacefully?
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  I actually feel a great deal of guilt.
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  I feel like I'm mourning my own soul, like I'm grieving, like I
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  could have been better than that.
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  But I don't see that with other people.
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  I see it as they just want to use their religion as a weapon
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  to beat the everliving shit out of other people.
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  That's called a conscience, Brett, and it's rare as hell
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  these days. You're not mourning your soul,
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  you're trying to save it. And that's the difference
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  between you and them. Most of these OSAS people,
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  they're not saved. They're just armed.
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  Their faith isn't a hug, it's a stick.
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  And they swing it because if they stop swinging, they might
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  actually have to look in the mirror.
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  But you, you hate being the person who swings back.
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  That's not weakness, that's holiness.
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  Jesus didn't flip the table every day, He flipped it once.
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  And even then he wept afterward. So keep feeling bad, keep
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  grieving, keep wishing you'd been better.
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  Because the moment you don't feel that sting, that's when
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  you're in real trouble. And right now, you're fine.
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  You're just awake. And awake hurts, but awake wins.
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  You know, it says in the Bible that the way is narrow and very
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  few will be able to actually, you know, taste the goodness of
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  God. And I just feel like humanity
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  could do much, much better when I hear O SAS and this whole we
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  could be serial killers for the rest of their life crap.
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  It kind of reminds me of whenever I was a former atheist.
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  There was AI started going down a downward spiral into something
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  called nihilism where nothing didn't have meaning, nothing had
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  importance or purpose, nothing mattered.
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  And Christianity is starting to sound like that.
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  It's starting to sound like, well, you can just do whatever
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  you want, what does it matter? And in the end, you're going to
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  be rewarded and all this shit. That doesn't sound like you're,
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  I, I guess, how do I put this? I expect Christianity to be more
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  of a challenge. I expect that we ought to try to
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  be like Christ and Christ was good.
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  And if we're not being good, then what's the fucking point?
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  Exactly. The narrow gate isn't narrow
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  because God's picky. The gates narrow because being
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  good is hard, being kind is hard, loving your neighbor when
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  he's a twat is hard. And if Christianity turns into
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  do whatever, you'll get the crown anyway.
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  Then yeah, it sounds like nihilism with better marketing.
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  Christ didn't hang on that cross so you could use it as a whole
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  pass. He hung there so you could stop
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  being a Dick. Not perfectly, but at least try.
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  At least feel the shame. At least wake up tomorrow and
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  go. I could be better than that.
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  Because if you're not trying to be good, if you're not even
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  pretending, then what are we doing?
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  Just sitting around fat and forgiven, waiting for heaven
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  like it's a lottery? No, Jesus didn't say follow me,
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  but only on Sundays and only if you're in the mood.
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  He said take up your cross. Crosses aren't comfortable.
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  They're not velvet, they're wood and they're heavy.
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  And if you're not bleeding a little, maybe you're not
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  carrying it, maybe you're just waving it like a flag.
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  And that's not faith, that's cosplay.
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  Yeah, yeah. So what?
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  I mean, what would you say to people like this who claim that
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  works aren't important, that you don't even really have to try,
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  you're just simply saved by grace?
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  I mean, that doesn't sound like what the Old Testament taught.
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  That's God is the same God every day.
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  He's not a God that changes his mind.
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  He punished people who were filthy.
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  He punished sinners. Even says in Psalms 55 I hate
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  all workers of iniquity. I mean God clearly says that he
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  has hatred for abominations and things that make him sick.
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  He says he'll spit people out like this.
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  So I mean, I, I don't, I don't make sense of this kind of form
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  of religion that's going on. But like I said, I'm not trying
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  to throw shit on these people. I just don't get it.
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  I don't know what their mindset is.
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  I'd tell them, fine, if grace is free, why don't you act free?
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  If you're forgiven before you even sin, why not stop sinning?
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  If you're already heaven bound, why spend your life acting like
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  hell bound? You don't have to earn
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  salvation, it's a gift. But gifts are meant to be
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  opened, not left on the mantle while you keep stealing from the
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  neighbors. And yes, God is the same.
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  Yesterday, today, forever. The God who torched Sodom isn't
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  suddenly a pushover, he just changed the rules.
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  Instead of lightning he gave you conscience.
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  Instead of stone tablets, he gave you the Holy Spirit.
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  But the message is still stop being revolting.
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  Or at least try. I think they're confused because
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  they've mixed grace with permission.
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  Grace isn't permission. Grace is the rope thrown to a
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  drowning man. It's useless if he doesn't grab
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  it and swim. So yeah, swim mate, or quit
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  pretending. Do you have any other passages
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  that can defend that we are under works and that we're
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  supposed to follow? I'm pretty sure that in the book
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  of Matthew, John and James, faith without works is dead.
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  And also, if you're just going to talk and not actually do,
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  then what the Hell's the point? The Pharisee spoke out of both
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  sides of their mouth and then #2 Didn't Jesus say, if you love
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  me, you'll keep my commandments and laws forever?
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  Matthew 7 verse 21 Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord,
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  shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the
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  will of my Father. John 1415 If you love me, keep
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  my commandments. And James 2/26 For as the body
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  without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead
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  also. It's not that you earn heaven
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  with these things, it's that if heaven's already earned for you,
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  you show it by living it. Otherwise you're just a Pharisee
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  with better sound bites. And yeah, he said if you love
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  him, obey him. Not if you obey him, then maybe
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  love him the other way round. The proof is in the pudding,
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  Brett. Always has been.
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  Well, Eve, I think that you've pretty much cleared all this up
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  for me. I'm going to let you have the
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  last word before I shut down the video.
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  Thank you for your help as always.
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  Go well Brett, and remember, if you're still trying, you're
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  still saved. The rest is just noise.
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