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Tony Jones on his Knicks winning the title, Does it matter that Darryn Peterson isn't working out for the Jazz (?), Friction with Kessler... · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna grab Tony Jones here in a
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  Speaker 2: second from the Athletic talk about the upcoming NBA Draft.
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  Speaker 2: Not only are the Utah Jazz dealing with the theatrics
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  Speaker 2: and the questioning of this Darren Peterson not coming to
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  Speaker 2: Utah to workout thing, but the conversation with restricted free
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  Speaker 2: agent Walker Kessler appears to have reached an impassive sorts
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  Speaker 2: where Walker Kessler and his team are reportedly not overly
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  Speaker 2: thrilled with the Utah Jazz front office and their offers
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  Speaker 2: for an extension. I'm still a believer, like you're probably
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  Speaker 2: gonna get this done. Part of the whole thing, part
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  Speaker 2: of the whole negotiation process is you kind of got
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  Speaker 2: to pretend that you bothered. You kind of got to
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  Speaker 2: pretend that all that offer is.
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  Speaker 3: Not good enough. Right, We've all done this.
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  Speaker 2: We've all been haggling at the at the table of
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  Speaker 2: some vendor somewhere. No, come on, that's too much. Give
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  Speaker 2: me that exact thing for half the price. And they
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  Speaker 2: offer you that first number, knowing full well you're not
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  Speaker 2: going to pay it.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of the day. I think that one
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  Speaker 3: is going to get done. We'll see. Also, Walker Kessler.
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  Speaker 2: If you're ranking players on this Utah Jazz team in
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  Speaker 2: order of their importance to what the Jazz are trying
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  Speaker 2: to do moving forward, where does he actually sit. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he's a really good player, I think, especially for the
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  Speaker 2: defensive kind of identity you want to start building. Walker
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  Speaker 2: Kessler is very, very important for this Utah Jazz team.
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  Speaker 2: For Will Hardy to be able to play the kind
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  Speaker 2: of basketball he wants his organization to play. You need
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  Speaker 2: somebody like that. Now, Jared Jackson Junior can be like that.
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  Speaker 2: Do you really want him playing the five?
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  Speaker 3: Though?
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  Speaker 2: The vision that everyone came up with was like this
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  Speaker 2: three towers the Tray Towers kind of a situation where
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  Speaker 2: you've got these three towering big men in the middle,
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  Speaker 2: lowry market and being a stretch, you know, in that case,
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  Speaker 2: super tall three. I guess we'll see how it plays
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  Speaker 2: out with the Utah Jazz. We'll see how it plays
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  Speaker 2: out with this upcoming draft. We're gonna be at big
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  Speaker 2: willies at seventeen seventeen, South Maine, making sure that you
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  Speaker 2: get all the coverage. It'll be Spence, it'll be Gordy Chiesa,
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  Speaker 2: it'll be Smitty, and it'll be myself hanging out talking
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  Speaker 2: about the prospects as their names come off the board.
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  Speaker 2: And of course you don't have to wait long if
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  Speaker 2: They'll do the big pre am right the crew will
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  Speaker 2: be talking about all the prospects.
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  Speaker 3: Number one.
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  Speaker 2: Aj or Darren Peterson, Number two aj or Darren Peterson,
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  Speaker 2: number three probably Cam Boozer, Caleb Wilson. Draft really starts
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  Speaker 2: depending on who you talk to at four or five,
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  Speaker 2: but I guess if there's some gamesmanship and some sort
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  Speaker 2: of posturing taking place up there with that number one pick,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it begins a little before that.
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  Speaker 2: our next guest, Tony Jones. I don't know if he's
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  Speaker 2: still floating around in the clouds. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: he's come back down already. At long last, the New
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  Speaker 2: York Knicks have won a championship, and I think he
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  Speaker 2: might have some feelings about that.
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  Speaker 3: Tony Jones, how are you?
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  Speaker 4: I was streaking in the parking lot of my my
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  Speaker 4: apartment in Blackwood, New Jersey, screaming Go Nicks Ago clothes
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  Speaker 4: on you tall people.
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  Speaker 2: You say streaking, It suggests something else, Tony, I know
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  Speaker 2: it does.
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  Speaker 4: But I just want to let you know there were
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  Speaker 4: there were there were clothes involved, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: The scenes were absolutely incredible of New York and of
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  Speaker 2: you know, the entire reaction to a fifth three year
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  Speaker 2: drought being broken by Jalen Brunson and company. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: we've talked about it from a lot of different angles.
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  Speaker 2: There was a significant amount of spurs collapse over the
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  Speaker 2: course of that series, blowing double digit leads and things
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  Speaker 2: like that. But I think credit where it's due Jalen
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  Speaker 2: Brunson being a guy who not only has the confidence
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  Speaker 2: the ability to carry a team to a championship, but
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  Speaker 2: if you go back the foresight to know that he
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  Speaker 2: might have to sacrifice a little bit of his own
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  Speaker 2: money financially in order to surround himself with the necessary
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  Speaker 2: pieces to make that happen, which of course is atypical
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  Speaker 2: at NBA circles with NBA players, it's frowned upon by
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  Speaker 2: some because you want to max out when you can
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  Speaker 2: max out. And I want your thoughts on how significant
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  Speaker 2: that move was for Jalen Brunson and then attaining this
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  Speaker 2: championship a couple years later.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean it was unprecedented at the time, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think the backlash beyond that was, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you're you know, you are a great guy.
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  Speaker 4: You are honestly obviously giving back a lot of money.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, the thought at the time was you're
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  Speaker 4: going to be giving back a lot of money without
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  Speaker 4: the Offerman payoff or championship. So the fact that you know,
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  Speaker 4: he won a championship, you know, validated that. And now
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  Speaker 4: you know, when his next extension can come, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's time for the Knicks to pay the piper, and
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  Speaker 4: they're going to have to back up the brainstruck, which
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  Speaker 4: you know you expect that they will. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: for a guy to you know, of his stature at
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  Speaker 4: the time, to take you know, one hundred and ten
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  Speaker 4: million dollars after you know, the couple of seasons that
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  Speaker 4: he had, the a couple of initial seasons that he
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  Speaker 4: had in the Nick's uniform, just to be able to
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  Speaker 4: give them the financial flexibility to to to to round
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  Speaker 4: out the rostering and get guys that fit with them. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: that paid off, you know, big time in this run.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, the Knicks, I mean, you can't say
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  Speaker 4: anything other than they were by far the best team
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  Speaker 4: in the NBA during this playoff run. They went sixteen
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  Speaker 4: and three, They won fifteen of their last sixteen games,
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  Speaker 4: They won all of their road games in the last
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  Speaker 4: in the last three rounds, they beat a sixty two
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  Speaker 4: win team. They beat a sixty two win ten team
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  Speaker 4: three times on the road in the finals. You know,
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  Speaker 4: so you know, there's no context to this Knicks championship.
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  Speaker 4: They were simply the best team in the field, and
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  Speaker 4: they proved it over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: Are people around the NBA gonna play copycat league and
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  Speaker 2: try to do what the New York Knicks have done?
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  Speaker 2: I know it's easier said than done to try to copycat.
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  Speaker 2: And there's not a lot of Jalen Brunson's out there.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's not built like the typical game wrecker.
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  Speaker 2: He's smaller and shorter than most of those guys. But
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  Speaker 2: is there a lesson to be learned for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the NBA from this next team in the way
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  Speaker 2: that they did it?
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  Speaker 4: I think the biggest takeaway that you can take from
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  Speaker 4: the next run is it, you know, the copycat of
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  Speaker 4: of the roster or the way it was constructed, because
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  Speaker 4: I think the roster is constructed, you know, really uniquely,
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  Speaker 4: like you know, how often can you get you know,
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  Speaker 4: three guys together who won two championships uh in college
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  Speaker 4: and who are all best friends. I mean, and that's
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  Speaker 4: not refable replicable. But what is replicable is the fact
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  Speaker 4: that the Knicks, you know, despite there were multiple times,
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  Speaker 4: you know, after losing to the Pacers, you know there
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  Speaker 4: are multiple times you know there was there you know,
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  Speaker 4: there were more couple of times where they stone walled
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  Speaker 4: in the second round, and then they stone walled in
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  Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference finals, and they were like, well, this
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  Speaker 4: is it. This is the pinnacle of this group. They
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  Speaker 4: can't go any further until they did. So, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I think the thing to take away is you have
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  Speaker 4: your core, You figure out who your core is, You
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  Speaker 4: figure out how much time your core has left, and
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  Speaker 4: then you keep making smart move after smart move after
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  Speaker 4: smart move to build and build and build around the
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  Speaker 4: core until in this landscape, in this NBA landscape, is
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  Speaker 4: actually your chance and your time to win a championship.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't know that it was going to be the
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  Speaker 4: next time, and you know, a lot of people didn't
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  Speaker 4: know until a lot of people didn't know how good
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  Speaker 4: the Knicks were pretty much until they hosted the Larry
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  Speaker 4: O'Brien Trophy. But if you look at this run, and
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  Speaker 4: you look at this run, I think there were so
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  Speaker 4: many people who, you know, beyond the core, who contributed
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  Speaker 4: to who contributed to the obvious, the obvious playoffs. You know,
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  Speaker 4: Mitch Robinson had that big rebound down the stretch in
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  Speaker 4: Game five, Jose Algarado had that big second half in
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  Speaker 4: in Game four, which allowed to come back. Jordan Clarkson
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  Speaker 4: had really good minutes in game four, uh, in game five.
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  Speaker 4: You know, so there were guys beyond the core who
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  Speaker 4: you know, did little things to contribute, and it accentuates
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  Speaker 4: and highlights. If you just keep making smart moves and
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  Speaker 4: you keep adding little death pieces, you know, all of
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  Speaker 4: that stuff adds up to the sum of the hole
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  Speaker 4: and that and that's what the Knicks did, and that's
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  Speaker 4: the that's what you could take away from it.
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  Speaker 2: Tony Jones of the Athletic is our guest here on
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  Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell Show, talking about the result of the
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  Speaker 2: NBA Final. We'll get to some mutah jazz this uh
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  Speaker 2: in an upcoming draft here in just a second, did
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  Speaker 2: you see anything from a young Spurs squad from Victor
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  Speaker 2: wembin Yama in you know, some situations where they choked
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  Speaker 2: away leads that is of actual concern and you don't
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  Speaker 2: think is correctable, you know, pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 4: I see, I'm just of the opinion that they didn't
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  Speaker 4: choke The Nicks took it from them. You know, if
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  Speaker 4: you if you lose, if you lose the exact same time,
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  Speaker 4: four times out of five and three of those games
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  Speaker 4: are at home, then it's not a chokes that the
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  Speaker 4: other team is just better well in those spots than
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  Speaker 4: you are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean there were some things where like
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  Speaker 2: the Spurs were up twenty points and shooting eight threes consecutively,
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  Speaker 2: like that, credit to the Knicks for taking advantage of
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  Speaker 2: the mistakes that the Knicks were making or that the
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  Speaker 2: Spurs were making.
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  Speaker 3: But like some of that was self inflicted.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously you have to be a great team in
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  Speaker 2: order to make a team like the Spurs that, but
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  Speaker 2: some of it was like, Mitch Johnson will never do
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  Speaker 2: that again, you would hope, right.
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  Speaker 4: So it's actually really interesting that you that you brought
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  Speaker 4: that up, and I'm gonna disagree with that. And this
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  Speaker 4: is why what the what the Spurs did to the Knicks.
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  Speaker 4: If you notice they came out every single game and
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  Speaker 4: they were extending and guarding ninety four feet every time,
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  Speaker 4: you know, just you know, pedal to the metal, full
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  Speaker 4: court defense. We're gonna harass Jalen Brunson. We're gonna have
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  Speaker 4: harass every Knicks ball handler. And they were they built
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  Speaker 4: the lead every single game because their legs were fresh,
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  Speaker 4: they were making shots and then what happened in the
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  Speaker 4: second half when they kept doing that, the shots stopped
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  Speaker 4: going in, they started turning the ball over because they
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  Speaker 4: punched themselves out. They played rope for five games like
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  Speaker 4: George Foreman and Muhammad Ali, and they paid for it.
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  Speaker 4: And that's my self inflicted. That's the Knicks just being
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  Speaker 4: better and more well conditioned over over forty eight minutes.
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  Speaker 4: That's why people always say you can't full court pressure
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  Speaker 4: in an NBA game for forty eight minutes. There's too
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  Speaker 4: many possessions. The game is too fast. The possessions go
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  Speaker 4: too fast because there's only twenty four seconds every possession.
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  Speaker 4: And the Spurs tried to do that and they punched
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  Speaker 4: themselves out in every single game and they had nothing left.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, to your point, if you're victor win Biyama,
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  Speaker 4: you got to get in better condition. And I think
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  Speaker 4: that that's you know, something that can be wrecked with
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  Speaker 4: can can be rectified in an offseason. And then if
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  Speaker 4: you're a victor win Byama, you have to find, you know,
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  Speaker 4: something that you can go to In the last five
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  Speaker 4: minutes of the game, you know, he had no idea
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  Speaker 4: what he wanted to do offensively, and high light situations.
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  Speaker 4: That's something that usually comes with time, you know. But overall,
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  Speaker 4: I just think the Knicks were the better team. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think that there's this, you know, talk
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  Speaker 4: that the Spurs choked away you know, three or four
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  Speaker 4: games of the series, and I just don't see it
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  Speaker 4: that way. I think the Knicks took every game of
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  Speaker 4: the series, and I think that the better team won
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  Speaker 4: the series because the Knicks were the better team over
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  Speaker 4: forty eight minutes, not twenty four minutes or twelve minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I won't debate that, and I don't think there
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  Speaker 2: is a debate on that because you know, credit where
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  Speaker 2: is due to the New York Knicks for being the
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  Speaker 2: deserving team to win this championship. And the scenes were
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  Speaker 2: absolutely epic. Like we said, all right, moving on to
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  Speaker 2: the NBA Draft coming up and some things happening in
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  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz world. Darren Peterson is not working out
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  Speaker 2: for the Utah Jazz. We've been through this before with
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  Speaker 2: Ace Bailey very recently, where you know, everyone got all
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  Speaker 2: up in arms about it, and there was some narratives
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  Speaker 2: about all that means he doesn't want to be here.
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  Speaker 2: There were conversations about how much it matters if a
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  Speaker 2: player wants to be in a certain place or not.
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  Speaker 2: How do you interpret no workout for the Utah Jazz
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  Speaker 2: from the projected number one or two pick a guy
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  Speaker 2: that is very likely to end up in a Jazz uniform.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's like the biggest nothing burger of all
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  Speaker 4: nothing burgers of nothing burgers of all time. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: the Jazz don't care. If you know Darren Peterson is
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  Speaker 4: there at number two and Darren Peterson is the guy
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  Speaker 4: that the Jazz want to draft, They're not going to
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  Speaker 4: hesitate to draft them. If you know the Jazz are
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  Speaker 4: number two, and you know a j De Banson went
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  Speaker 4: number one and the Jazz picked Cameron Boozer over Darren Peterson,
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  Speaker 4: it means that Cameron Boozer was the number one player
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  Speaker 4: on their board, not Darren Peterson. So I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when you're around long enough, and I've been around him
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  Speaker 4: since twenty fourteen, you know, you see all of the
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  Speaker 4: posturing and you see, you know, all of the pre
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  Speaker 4: draft stuff, and you know it's it just is what
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  Speaker 4: it is. It always happens like that during you know,
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  Speaker 4: during the week, you know, during the week, the week's
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  Speaker 4: leading up to the draft. Ace Bailly didn't work out
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  Speaker 4: for anybody last year. Uh you know, so it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: just a Jazz he didn't work out for. He had
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  Speaker 4: a workout schedule for the Sixers. He canceled on that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he was you know, clearly trying to get
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  Speaker 4: to Washington because you know Washington had a handshake deal
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  Speaker 4: uh to to to hire Omar Cooper. So you know,
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  Speaker 4: it didn't matter. The Jazz drafted him N. Five and
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  Speaker 4: you know, everything's been you know, relatively honky dory for
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  Speaker 4: for AC and the Jazz ever since. You know, it'll
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  Speaker 4: be that way with what Darren Peterson if the Jazz
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  Speaker 4: draft him. And by the way, if I'm Darren Peterson,
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  Speaker 4: I very much want to come Utah because Utah is
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  Speaker 4: by far the best stick for Darren Peterson in this draft,
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  Speaker 4: you know, So to me, it's nothing. I understand the
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  Speaker 4: hand ringing, I understand the talk. I understand you know
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  Speaker 4: why the conversation exists. But you know, for me, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it just it just doesn't matter one way or the other.
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  Speaker 4: The Jazz, you know, have long proven that they will
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  Speaker 4: they will draft somebody who hasn't worked out for him.
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  Speaker 4: They did in twenty fourteen when they drafted Dante ExHAM.
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  Speaker 4: They did last year when they drafted they sparely. They'll
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  Speaker 4: do so this year if they draft Aaron Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: You and I have not spoken since that little survey.
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  Speaker 2: The results of that survey came out that Memphis is
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  Speaker 2: the least desirable location among NBA players, at least the
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  Speaker 2: one surveyed. And I think the Jazz were like fifth
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  Speaker 2: from last, which is upward mobility for a Utah jazz franchise.
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  Speaker 2: How much as the reputation of the franchise the community,
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  Speaker 2: the destination as a place to play really changed for
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  Speaker 2: the jazz kind of on the spirit of the same
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  Speaker 2: sort of question.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you a little known Tony Jones story. So
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  Speaker 4: twenty twelve, I'm ticked off because I just got passed
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  Speaker 4: over for the jazz job and at the Salticta Ben.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I was up for the jazz job. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't get it. They went with somebody else. I thought
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  Speaker 4: I should have gotten it. I was ticked off that
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  Speaker 4: that I didn't. Uh. And then so you know, out
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  Speaker 4: of nowhere, the Memphis, the Memphis Commercial Appeal comes calling
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  Speaker 4: and they have a job covering Memphis. I think it
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  Speaker 4: was like Memphis football and I would be you know,
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  Speaker 4: I would have been the backup on the Memphis Grizzly Steed.
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  Speaker 4: And this was twenty twelve. My kids were eight and
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  Speaker 4: three at the time. So, you know, I go down
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  Speaker 4: to Memphis. They bring me down for an interview and
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  Speaker 4: I interview with you know, the paper. I love the
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: interview with the paper. I love the people. They took
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  Speaker 4: me to one of the barbecue joints. The food was great,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, three quarters through the interview, I'm thinking, wow,
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: you know, I think I'm about to come to Memphis.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: And then they took me on the tour of the city.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: And on that tour of the city, when they took
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: me around the city, my one thought was I cannot
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: do this to my kids. And that was the end
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: of me moving to Memphis. So I kind of understand it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't know how the Grizzlies as an
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: organization treats their players. You know, I do know, in comparison,
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: how to Jazz treat their players, which is you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: like really a plus in terms of facilities and in
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: terms of amenities things like that, you know, and I
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: think that that makes a difference. But you know, Memphis
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: as a city is you know, it's sad to say.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's kind of run down, and it's not
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: the greatest place. It's not the greatest place to raise
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: the family. So, you know, I kind of understand where
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: NBA players are coming from. I probably wouldn't have said
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: it as directly and you know, unabashedly as a lot
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: of players are saying it, because I think that you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: obviously they are hurts, they're going to be hurt feelings involved,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: But you know, it's it's not something that's come out
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: of nowhere, and I don't think that there's something that's unfounded.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Last thing before I let you go, the apparent impact
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: that has been reached in the Walker Kessler extension negotiations.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: What's what's going to get us over this hump?
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's it's it's become a delicate situation
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: because I'm not sure that at this point that it's
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: actually even about the money at this point, you know.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: So I think, you know, if if you're the Jazz
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: and you are Walker Kessler and Walker Kessler's people, you know,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: just getting into a room and I think it's going
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: to take. I don't even think it's going to take
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: one meeting. I think it would take you know, several,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: several conversations, several days of you know, face to face
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: conversations of kind of kind of you know, getting grievances
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: and frustrations out on both sides, and you know, just
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: expectations going forward. I still, you know, overwhelmingly think that
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Walker Kessler will be in a Jazz uniform in the
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: year twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven. My question is
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: how long he will be in a jazz uniform beyond
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: the year twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven. And I
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: think that, you know, for the roster that the Jazz
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: have constructed, Walker Kessler's value is absolute to the Jazz.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: If they plan on getting stops in high, high leverage
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: and high level situations, Walker Kessler better be on the
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: floor because there are not a lot of point of
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: attack defenders on this roster, and there are not a
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: lot of people on this roster who can keep other
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: people in front of them at a high level. So,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: you know, I think, you know, just going beyond that,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: the two sides, you know, just have to talk some
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: things out because you know, like I said, I don't
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: think at this point that you know, I don't think
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: that at this point this is a normal contract and pasting.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: I think this goes beyond that, and I think that
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: they're they're there. There needs to be some mending on
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: both sides.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: We will keep a closer eye on it. Congrats on
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: your next winning it. Appreciate you giving us some time.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I shall go streaking again with clothes on, with clothes on,
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: with clothes on, with clothes on.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: All right, Love you dude, miss you. Appreciate your time.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: That's my guy. Appreciate you guys. Thanks to you and James.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: As always, Tony Joans of the Athletic