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What's next for AEW after WrestleDream? · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
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  Speaker 1: Agnition with the AAW fanhob podcast team. We just saw
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  Speaker 1: Wressel dream over the weekend, and boy do we have
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  Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. Adam Cole's babyface turn, all
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  Speaker 1: of the champions at AW are now heals, and how
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  Speaker 1: are we feeling about the AAW Tag Team division, Plus
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  Speaker 1: how aren't the BCC in the elite storylines going to coexist?
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  Speaker 1: And finally we're gonna talk about the AAW Ring of
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  Speaker 1: Honor women in the Pro Wrestling Illustrated or yeah, Pro
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  Speaker 1: Wrestling Illustrated two fifty and talk about maybe who gets
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  Speaker 1: a push? Is it gonna be Anna j or what.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get started with ignition.
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  Speaker 2: This is Kelson and this is Alex and yeah, let's
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  Speaker 2: stir from the top. We had Adams baby face turned seemingly,
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  Speaker 2: we had I'll kind of recount what happened. We had
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  Speaker 2: Jack Perry attacked Shabata after the match after his Fluke victory.
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  Speaker 2: Then we had Daniel Garcia come out. Then we had
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  Speaker 2: the return of MJF who has beef with Daniel Garcia,
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  Speaker 2: and then we had the returning Adam Cole saving Daniel
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  Speaker 2: Garcia babyface Adam Cole. He made it very clear because
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  Speaker 2: he gave Daniel Garcia that fist pump and helped him
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  Speaker 2: up at the end. And we also saw him out
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  Speaker 2: at the very end coming out to help Dan or
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  Speaker 2: Brian Danielson after the last match. So Russell dream was
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  Speaker 2: one hundred percent. Adam Cole is a baby face.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah? How do you feeling about that? Alex?
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  Speaker 2: I get it. MJF is a better heel. I think
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  Speaker 2: when you come back from an injury, you know you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna be popular with the fans. I think it makes
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  Speaker 2: sense to come back, at least for the first night
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  Speaker 2: or first week as a baby face. I don't. I
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot remains to be seen. Is
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  Speaker 2: it gonna stick? How are they gonna explain the undisputed
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  Speaker 2: kingdom stuff? But I I'm not gonna jump to conclusions.
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  Speaker 2: I guess is my thoughts. I think Adam Cole is
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  Speaker 2: a better heel than he is a face. Though his
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  Speaker 2: face stuff with MJF was really really good. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think I think it's too early to judge. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: he's a face his first night, but we don't know
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  Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. Everybody returns as a face to a
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  Speaker 2: m JF returned as a face.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, everybody gets so they show their true colors. Go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: sudden or MJF.
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  Speaker 3: MJF came out for when he returned from the injury
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  Speaker 3: as a face for about what five minutes, and then
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  Speaker 3: he turned back to the guy that everybody loves to hate.
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  Speaker 3: You're right, Alex, I think it's way too early to
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  Speaker 3: say he's going to be a face the whole time,
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  Speaker 3: because we watched Adam Cole go from being Adam Cole
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  Speaker 3: to m Jeff's best friend to the devil, and he
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  Speaker 3: got hurt in that process, and he's come back and
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  Speaker 3: right now it's working out that he's going to be
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  Speaker 3: the face to go against them. Jeff uh heal, But
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  Speaker 3: that might not mean anything.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I could see what you're talking about. But I
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  Speaker 4: got a feeling that they're gonna be the Switcheroo with
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  Speaker 4: Unnecessary Kingdom and make them face and joy and Adam
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  Speaker 4: Cole to take on MJF. There's been teasing it a
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  Speaker 4: little bit with shaking hands and stuff like that and
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  Speaker 4: ring of honor. So I think Adam Pole would be
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  Speaker 4: great with Dan Garcia and mentoring him a little bit too.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting take and seeing where it's
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  Speaker 4: gonna go.
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  Speaker 5: First of all, I wouldn't be surprised if we see
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  Speaker 5: that tag team match on an episode of Dynamite MJF
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  Speaker 5: and Jack Perry versus Daniel Garcia and Adam Cole, maybe
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  Speaker 5: as a build up to those two singles matches at
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  Speaker 5: full gear. But if they are going to go in
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  Speaker 5: the direction of an MJF Adam Cole feud, with Adam
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  Speaker 5: Cole being the baby face and MJF being the heel,
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  Speaker 5: it'll be interesting to see how they tie the devil
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  Speaker 5: stuff into the story, which I don't think that be
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  Speaker 5: a big part of the story because if you look back,
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  Speaker 5: the devil stuff kind of flocked.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, well, it doesn't necessarily need to be a part
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  Speaker 3: of it because that was over a year ago and
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  Speaker 3: everything has moved on so far that you can just
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  Speaker 3: let that go and not even recall it. You really
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  Speaker 3: don't have to.
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  Speaker 2: I think you have to. You have to mention it,
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  Speaker 2: You have to explain it a little bit. You don't
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  Speaker 2: have to get into detail, but if you don't, if
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  Speaker 2: you just pretend it never happened. That's not we don't.
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  Speaker 1: We know that Adam Cole is going to explain himself
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow night. I believe that's the terminology they used. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think that he's going to bring up the devil thing? Maybe,
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  Speaker 1: maybe at the very least bring up the friendship that
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  Speaker 1: he had for months and months and months and months
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  Speaker 1: with MJF.
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  Speaker 3: I think he will bring the stuff up about NJF.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure he'll I'm not sure that you can
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  Speaker 3: kind of leave it there and kind of bring it
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  Speaker 3: up a little bit, I guess, but it's not necessary
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  Speaker 3: for where they're at now, because you know, you can
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  Speaker 3: just take that whole devil. You really can just take
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  Speaker 3: the whole devil part out and just have a be
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  Speaker 3: that they were best friends that turned on each other
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  Speaker 3: and go from that way if you wanted to. But
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  Speaker 3: I do what you're saying, Alex. It's it's gonna be interesting.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like.
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  Speaker 5: Adam Cale, at least for this feud against MJFF, is
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  Speaker 5: going to be a true baby face only because you
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  Speaker 5: think about what Adam Cale has been through recently, not
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  Speaker 5: just health wise, but like in his personal life, it's
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  Speaker 5: hard not to root for the guy, so at least
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  Speaker 5: for this storyline with MJF, I think he will be
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  Speaker 5: the babyface.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, the interesting part with Adam Cole, for
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  Speaker 1: me particularly is that he has that history with NJF.
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  Speaker 1: That is some people think that it's I kind of
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  Speaker 1: think it's overdone with God and I think it's time
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  Speaker 1: for a new start. They've had a year to stew
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  Speaker 1: on it, basically. But then you also have the whole
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  Speaker 1: thing with the Undisputed Kingdom that may or may not
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  Speaker 1: be you know, addressed at all either. So we've got
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  Speaker 1: two things specifically with Adam Cole that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are looking at and saying they're still open ended
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  Speaker 1: and we need to do something with it. So it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a very interesting promo that Adam Cole does.
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  Speaker 1: I hope he comes to the Ring and maybe I
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  Speaker 1: don't think we're going to see MGF because where it
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  Speaker 1: is is that he had to go and film some more.
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  Speaker 1: I have to go more too, But he may show
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  Speaker 1: up on the big screen or something. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's something to look forward to, and hey, that's what
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  Speaker 1: this is all about. I'm actually looking forward to seeing
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  Speaker 1: something resolved on Wednesday night. Dynamite instead of just having,
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  Speaker 1: you know, banger matches that frankly we get them all
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  Speaker 1: the time. It's time for something new. Not that I'm
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  Speaker 1: complaining about the banger matches, but I want to see
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  Speaker 1: something more and looks like we're getting more on Dynamite
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  Speaker 1: this week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure you need that. Banger matches are great,
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  Speaker 2: but you also need some story stuff to even everything
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  Speaker 2: out for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Now, speaking of story, I want to visit John Moxley
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  Speaker 1: because we all saw what John Moxley did to Brian Danielson. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: we have Wheeler Yuda did it to Brian Dangelson do
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  Speaker 1: it seems like everybody was against Brian Danielson. But Moxley
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  Speaker 1: is also addressing the addressing this tomorrow night again. I
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  Speaker 1: hope he comes out. I hope he gets in the
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  Speaker 1: ring and faces the music of the Company of Booze
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  Speaker 1: that he's definitely going to hear. But where do we
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  Speaker 1: go from here? I mean, obviously he's the world champion.
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  Speaker 1: Now do you think that he's a transitional champion? And
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  Speaker 1: who do you think is going to be his He
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  Speaker 1: probably have a match against you know, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: Action Eddready or something that's a hopeless match. But what's
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  Speaker 1: his absolute upcoming feud. A lot of people are saying,
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  Speaker 1: Darby Allen, do you agree with that yet?
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  Speaker 3: Nothing?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry? Go ahead?
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  Speaker 5: Oh I don't know if you pull the chigger on
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  Speaker 5: Orange Cassidy yet, because him and Darby I could see
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  Speaker 5: either of them taking the title from Moxley. But given
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  Speaker 5: the way this whole BCC story is going and the
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  Speaker 5: level of violence and insanity Moxley has gone to recently,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think he's going to be a transitional champion,
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  Speaker 5: and I'll be really interesting to see who he feuds
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  Speaker 5: with first. I think it needs to be not Orange
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  Speaker 5: Cassie or Darby Allen. I think you hold off on
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  Speaker 5: both of them till later. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 5: it does need to be a legitimate contender, whoever it is.
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  Speaker 5: It can't just be like, Oh, we're gonna throw Gonte
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  Speaker 5: Martin at him for his first title defense or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's going to all depend on what he
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  Speaker 3: has to say and where this storyline goes, because he
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  Speaker 3: very well could be I could see them making him
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  Speaker 3: a transitional champion. The whole plan, if you go by
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  Speaker 3: what everybody's been saying, is that you know this was
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  Speaker 3: Brand's idea. He wanted everything to happen the way he did.
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  Speaker 3: But everybody's thinking that Darby's going to be the next champion,
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  Speaker 3: and this is all setting up to be between Darby
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  Speaker 3: and John. But until we find out what is exactly
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  Speaker 3: going on with Marx, we can guess as much as
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  Speaker 3: we want to. He might not even I mean the
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  Speaker 3: way they acted with the title, he might not even
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  Speaker 3: want to defend the title. He might just want to
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  Speaker 3: keep it stored away, like it's being protected from something.
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  Speaker 5: I was gonna save this for Mike pot Pourri, but
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  Speaker 5: I'll just bring it up now. I love that all
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  Speaker 5: all three of a w's top guys right now, Swerve Strickland,
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  Speaker 5: Hangman on Page, and John Moxley are all absolutely insane,
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  Speaker 5: and they have different reasons for being insane. Like Hangman's
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  Speaker 5: insanity is because he's obsessed with Swerve Strickland and you know,
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  Speaker 5: going to through the people who prevented him from getting
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  Speaker 5: to Swerve. You've got Swerve who is just insane because
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  Speaker 5: of the level of violence he's willing to go to
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  Speaker 5: and the manipulation he does.
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  Speaker 6: And then Moxley is just well Moxley.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Alex, I have a question for you. Yes. Well, first,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the original question is who do you think
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  Speaker 1: that that uh, Moxley's first real fewd is gonna go
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  Speaker 1: get going to be uh and this is quite But
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  Speaker 1: the second question that this is for everybody else is
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  Speaker 1: is there anyone that you do not want to see
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  Speaker 1: Moxley feud with?
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I one hundred percent agree with whoever said
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  Speaker 2: Orange Cassidy. You know they had that Jerry Lynn. Yeah, mkay,
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  Speaker 2: they had that Jerry Lynn backstage segment where out of
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  Speaker 2: the blue, he's just kind of hyping up Orange Cassidy
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  Speaker 2: And for me, that's you know that there's a reason
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  Speaker 2: for that. And then Orange Cassidy was there right next
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  Speaker 2: to Derby at the end of the night. It feels
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  Speaker 2: like Darby's probably going to be the guy that unseats
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  Speaker 2: John Moxley. But I think Orange Cassidy has a lot
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  Speaker 2: of history with John Moxley feuding over the international title.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, it seems like a good person for Moxley
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  Speaker 2: to make look really good in a championship match that
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't win. And I don't know if you guys
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  Speaker 2: remember when they had that trip both threat Championship match
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  Speaker 2: main event with Park and Orange Cassidy and Kenny Omega.
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  Speaker 2: That was one of the first AW pay per views
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  Speaker 2: I think I watched and that that was such a
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  Speaker 2: fun match to watch Orange Cassidy almost win. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if it'll feel the same this time, but to
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  Speaker 2: see a close pinfall with Orange Cassidy almost becoming AW
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  Speaker 2: champion would really be something very exciting for me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think also I want to add
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  Speaker 4: that if they do fight each other, that I want
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  Speaker 4: to see the crowds of action when they ultimately beat
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  Speaker 4: the craft out of Orange Cassidy because he's a fan
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  Speaker 4: favorite and kids love him, so I think there's gonna
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  Speaker 4: be some tears shed for Orange Cassidy on the kid's side.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna beat.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody up, I think, and unfortunately it's gonna people haven't suggested.
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  Speaker 4: It's gonna be kind of like a steam thing for
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  Speaker 4: for Darby Allen to come out of the shadows and
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  Speaker 4: finally be the one beat John Moxley. It needs to
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  Speaker 4: be Derby. People all the time tell me no, he's
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  Speaker 4: not ready, but he's more ready than anybody else I
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  Speaker 4: can think of on the roster right now.
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  Speaker 5: I think we have to keep in mind the fact
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: that Christian Cage still has that like clipboard money in
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  Speaker 5: the bank type thing where he can cash in and
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  Speaker 5: get a title shot anytime he wants.
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  Speaker 6: So you can't just dismiss that whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: Do you honestly see Christian Cage going up against John
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  Speaker 3: Moxley and thinks he's going to win the title? I
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  Speaker 3: mean seriously, I like Christian and Christian does good work.
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  Speaker 3: Moxley would murder him, period. There wouldn't even be a fight.
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  Speaker 3: That would be. That would be the dumbest thing that
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  Speaker 3: he could do. The only way he could do that
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  Speaker 3: that I could see Christian doing that and act me
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  Speaker 3: having a chance is if Moxley is beat up so
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  Speaker 3: badly in the match that he's he's bleeding everywhere and
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  Speaker 3: been beat up by everything you can think of. It's
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  Speaker 3: just I just don't see that happening. That would be
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  Speaker 3: suicide for Christian.
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  Speaker 2: I can just imagine them doing that. Moxley's like half dead,
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  Speaker 2: Christian comes out, Moxley gets up, Christian just runs away.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like the other day.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm all in for the Moxley versus Orange Cassidy match.
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  Speaker 1: Or mini feud, because I do think the doll roads
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  Speaker 1: lead to Darby Allen and John Moxley. But I will
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  Speaker 1: accept a Orange Cassidy versus John Moxley mini feud if
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  Speaker 1: and only if John Moxley beats the livid shit out
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  Speaker 1: of the Orange. Because when Jerry Lynn at backstage at
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  Speaker 1: Wrestle Dream did that hype thing whatever it was for
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  Speaker 1: Orge Cassidy, my whole reaction was God damn it. Seriously,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, don't think about this, Okay, think about this.
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  Speaker 1: In the last six months, Orange Cassidy has had a
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  Speaker 1: revolving door of matches with the Conglomeration in different setups
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  Speaker 1: I guess against the Undisputed Kingdom in different setups, meaning
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  Speaker 1: that the un Disputed Kingdom may have had a special
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: guest wrestler and Conglomeration at a special guest wrestler. Ornge
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  Speaker 1: Castide has done nothing but really tag team matches and
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  Speaker 1: trios matches and Casito Dotlin match. When was the last
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  Speaker 1: time that he had a.
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  Speaker 6: Singles match against Jericho?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: There again, But what I have to saying is was
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  Speaker 1: that a meaningful match? You know? No, he hasn't had
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  Speaker 1: any meaningful matches, even the tag team and the Trio's matches,
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  Speaker 1: they weren't for titles, they were completely meaningless. He yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was in the Casino Gauntlet to get a shot
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  Speaker 1: at the title, but that was just like so telegraphed.
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  Speaker 1: They all knew he was gonna get get that you,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that was gonna happen two weeks before it
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  Speaker 1: actually happened. My point is is that Orange Cassidy has
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  Speaker 1: not earned anything, and if they need to do something
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  Speaker 1: with him and Moxley other than him get in the
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  Speaker 1: living crap beat out of him, they need to do
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  Speaker 1: something with Orange Cassie to make him earn the shot.
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  Speaker 5: If you, Moxley and Orange Cassie had had a great
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: match for the International title all Out. I personally enjoyed
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  Speaker 5: their second match at Full Gear. I know some people
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  Speaker 5: didn't enjoy as much as their first.
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  Speaker 1: What twenty twenty two?
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  Speaker 6: No last year?
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  Speaker 4: Last year?
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  Speaker 6: I thought, yeah, that was the main event for All
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  Speaker 6: Out last year.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so twenty twenty three, So it's.
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  Speaker 3: All going to come down to. It was if you,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: if you saw it and you paid attention to everybody that
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: was in the rink to help out Brian. It was
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: the entire conglomeration was there. It was Adam Cole and
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: it was Darby Allen.
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  Speaker 7: They were all in the ring and hook right and hook,
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  Speaker 7: and I mean it's the kind of drew the who
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  Speaker 7: Private Party.
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  Speaker 1: Weren't they out there?
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  Speaker 3: So you're kind of getting the whole lines that are
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  Speaker 3: being drawn in the in the in the thing and
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  Speaker 3: how they're gonna separate this down. And another part of
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  Speaker 3: your question when you put up here was how are
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  Speaker 3: how is the BCC and the and the UH elite
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  Speaker 3: gonna coincide? I don't think it's going to. I think
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  Speaker 3: this is going to take center stage. It's gonna become
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  Speaker 3: the main thing that they pushed for the next however
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  Speaker 3: long they wanted to run. I think the elite storyline
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  Speaker 3: is kind of gonna get pushed back and just kind
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  Speaker 3: of they'll still be the elite and they'll still do
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  Speaker 3: their thing, But I don't think it's gonna be anything
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  Speaker 3: of importance unless and less everybody's talking about McMahon coming in.
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  Speaker 3: That would be probably the only place that you could
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: put Shane in now, because this whole thing with the BCC,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: there's no way this has anything to do with Shane,
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  Speaker 3: because that's just not his character style.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, yeah, but listen, you know guys, Yeah, I understand
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying. Someting. But then again, Tony Khan turned
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  Speaker 1: right around, and who did he book for a match
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  Speaker 1: on Dynamite this week? The Elite against Orange Cassidy and
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Kyle O'Reilly and whoever I can't remember the third person.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, So so.
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  Speaker 1: Orange Cassidy isn't going against the Black Bool Combat Club.
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  Speaker 1: He's going against the Elite, which makes no sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but and you had a lot of guys that
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: we named as being the baby Faces in there kind
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: of challenging the the BCC. Uh. If all those guys
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: got together and came out at the same time, they
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: would beat the crap out of the BCC, because it
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: was only like four or five of them. I don't know.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I can really see the Elite and the BCC kind
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: of maybe not joining forces, but kind of both being
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: part of this group that's fighting against the baby Faces.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Well that's the whole thing. Like I said before, it's
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: gonna determine the way this is gonna go. Is gonna
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: be when they finally reveal what the hell's going on,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: because what they've said so far makes no sense for
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: where they're headed, and.
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: I think Moxley wants it that way. To Sutton, I.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Think he's intentionally speaking in riddles, but to your point, Alex,
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: and also kind of to what you're saying about the elite, Sutton.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: I think the key pier in all of this is
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Jack Perry. And I'll tell you why, because did Moxley
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: recently have a conversation with Jack Perry if I'm not mistaken,
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Like we saw a backstage I believe right.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the first days he came back, he
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: came up to him, he was with the young bucks
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and he said, you've always been a nice kid or
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: something like that, and patted him on the back and
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: walked away.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: So Wave like, I don't I don't know how this
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: would work, so you'd have to forgive me.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: I don't have all the details on it worked out.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: But Wave like, somehow Jack Perry is behind everything with
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: the BCC.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I don't see that.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Happen, but I think he's I think Marx is going
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: after the Day one people and he wants these younger
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: people to step up because he doesn't have that much longer,
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: you know, and they really haven't. They really haven't. MJF
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: is really one only stepped up guys for the Day
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: one people, So I think that's what they need. I
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: think it's where it's going. Like I said, Orange Cassidy.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: Has has has stories, but.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Just about every member of the BCC, you know, you
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: to he turn, you would have turned on them. He
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: also he's a pick on you. He took the belt
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: from Park and he's had quite a few matches with Moxley,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: so he has that history. What about Claudio though, he's
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: had matches with Plaudio, I thought, but maybe.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Not a history.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Maybe he has history with them. I'm yeah, but I
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: don't think the underdog is gonna win this time. It's
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: what's great about this because the good guy doesn't always win.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: So I didn't get to see Russell Dream because it
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: was young Kapoor and I have family and stuff over uh.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: But I was able.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: To see like stuff on Twitter and whatnot, and I
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: saw like the end clip with it was Hook, it
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: was Orange Cassie, it was Darby all kind of just
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: watching off to the side. I don't think it's a
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: coincidence that that was the final shot before Russell Dream
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: went off the air, Like it feels like, that's the
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: next crop of young guys that Aw's kind of getna
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: rely on.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: You know, what I think would have been better at
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the end there was if they had shown had the
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: elite not come to the ring, but at least come
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: out onto the ramp, you know, to set up a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: babyface versus heel battle. Because to me, I'm gonna be
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: honest with you, when I saw Orange Cassidy out there,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I was a little bit disappointed in that I thought
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: that Orange Casside we better suited to go after Okada.
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: It's Kyle O'Reilly that's going after Okada.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, like that absolutely zero sense whatsoever.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you explain that.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: O'Riley is glorified jobber that I'm not saying that about
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: his talent. I'm saying that about the way he's been booked.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: He hasn't. Again, AW has a problem right now, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: that I mentioned this in the opening. All of their
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: champions are heels right now. And there's very very few
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: strong babyfaces, both in the men's and the women's division,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and of course definitely not in the tag team or
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the trio's division. I mean, it's kind of preposterous because
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: every tag team that's face has lost recently. It seems
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: like same thing. Those are the trios. I mean, there's
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: just nowhere to go they've gotten. I'm really hoping that
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: face division yeah for trios.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I'm really really hoping that that Darby Allen Brody king
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: match with the handshake at the end just lead somehow
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: to House of Black supporting Darby Allen in his fight
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: against John Moxley.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I think that would also alex that at all in
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: when the House of Black was in that, I think
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a four way trios match. Yeah, it was
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: a four ways tris match at the BCC one. They
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: they were the only ones that stood in the ring
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and shook their hands too. So I think they are
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: establishing the House of Black as more of a anti
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: hero at least not necessarily face team.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And if they pull the trigger and just
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: give them like a prominent role, I think that would
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: that would be amazing for me at least. That's just
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: a House of Black super fan.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: No, I agree. Plus, you AWS have to consider Julia
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Hard is going to be coming back too, and Julia
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Hart comes back as a true heel, that's just another
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: heel in a sea of heels in the women's division.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: They need somebody strong in the women's division as a face,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: just as they need somebody strong in the men's division
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: as a face. And I'm not only talking one person,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I'm talking multiple people, because there's just so many heels
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: of both sides right now, and they all have belts.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah and Julia, Yeah, Julia Hurt as a face goth. Yeah,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: that that. I feel like she would be so popular.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: She's already so popular as a heel, but like that
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: could just be again.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: An anti hero, not necessarily a face, but an anti hero.
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: You know, she does.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Chaffir or, she does the.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Right things, but she does it in a violent way.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And you have men in the men's division that can
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: do the same thing. House of Black could do that.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: You know, you could even have Chris Jericho a big
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: bill and doing something like that. You know, you don't
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: necessarily have to have all these guys being healed, especially
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the ones that don't have belts right now. Yeah, well, Alex,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: what do you want to talk about next?
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I think we sort of talked about the trio's division,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: So why don't we switch gears to the tag team division?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: We had that match at Wressell Dream Private Party. I'm
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: not sure how you guys felt about it. I missed
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: some of the beginning. I did think do the classic
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Kelson of choosing that moment to take my dog for
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: a walk. But when I came back and when I
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: saw the match was really really good, and I thought
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Private Party, who I haven't really ever been too excited about,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: looked really good. In the last half of that match
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: that I did see, I honestly he thought they were
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: going to win it a few times there. Ah, But yeah,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: after that, I mean, I assume that they're not going
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: to immediately challenge the Young Bucks again, and who else
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: has left? It's it's interesting. I think there is some
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: strong tag teams, but no one that's comes to mind
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: as being like the next in line.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because look, Private Party in the Bucks. They put
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: on a great match. But at no point since the
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: match was announced did I ever think that Private Party
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: was going to win this match. I approached this match
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: as an exhibition match and not a title match, because
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: it was no way that Private Party was going to
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: win that match. They need a name, and unfortunately you
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: don't have any, especially not on the baby face side.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: They need a name in the tag division to challenge,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: and it can't be f TR and it can't be
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the acclaimed I'm sorry, it's been there, that Groundhog.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: It's going to be Turbo Floyd Company. I'm telling you.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: If it is, that's well fine, but i'll tell you
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you right now, as God
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: is my judge. Right, If Turbo Floyd, well, just the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Outrunners win the Tag Team Championship, I'm done.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: It's setting up to be the way because right now
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: they are the most over tag team in a W period.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Is over. They they absolutely have no place with a
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: belt around their waist there.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry for long used to have to beat the elite.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: If they beat the elite and lose to I don't know,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: top flight next week, I'm cool with it if they
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: have that, But if they win the belts and they
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: have the belts for like two weeks, I'm done with
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: a W. I've done with the community. I'm done with
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: this podcast. Shut it down because a W would have
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: lost every bit of respect that I had for him.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Because that's Apostles.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: They're the They're the team that's going right now. That's
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: what everybody loves them. That's the whole reason why they're
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: getting the push they're getting.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Is they thousand and two, But there was no way
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: that he was going to get a title shot. I
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: don't see that housand is any different than the Outrunners.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: What happened to the Grizzled Young Veterans?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: They're still.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean about the Grizzled Young Veterans is they
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: lose so goddamn always.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Well, it's like they have this tendency every once in
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: a while on a w when you bring in a
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: new group that most people haven't heard of, that's what
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: they do to them. They put them in and they
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: get them in there, they get them losses and then
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: they build them. They take them all the way down,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: then they build them back up. But most likely because
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: the Outrunners have been having some fun with FTR, people
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: are saying that you know the Outrunners will winning, then
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: FTR take the titles from them. They're gonna turn on them.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: That I mean, if if you think about it, Outruns
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: the Outrunners are faced. That would make the FTR heels
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: and that would fit right in on there. The way
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: they run the titles right now is everybody's got to
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: be a heel.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Yep, well, but I'm that serious about it. Out Runners
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: win those belts and they keep from more than two weeks.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I've bought it here. They are just they suck so bad.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I don't care if people think I'm an idiot or
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: whatever for saying it, but they suck. They're awful. They're
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: they're for three year olds. I'm not three year old.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I think most people like them. I'm more agree
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: with Kelson. I think I think they're entertaining, they're funny,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: but yeah, they do remind me of Dan Housen and
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: that they're not They're they're super entertaining outside of the ring,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and then when they're in a match, it's awful for me.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: And I feel like Tony Khan is would be very
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: hesitant to pull the trigger like I could see in
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: WWE they would run with them and give them the
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: titles and ae W Tony Khan's more obsessed with just
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: pure wrestling ability. So I don't see it happening, but
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: it could.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Let me put it this way, Alex, We've got Russell
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Dynasty coming up on January fifth.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: That is what.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Put a half months away. Yeah, the Outrunners are the
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: tag team champions, Who would the hell do you put
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: them up against at the Tokyo Dome. I mean seriously,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: there's yeah, they picked up a couple of the rookies
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: from startup, but put him in there to give him
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: a challenge.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: No, they do have some goofy like opening wrestlers in
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: New Japan like Rice Skate to Gucci who just only
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: hits people with his butt toro yo.
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: But yeah, that if you put the tag titles on
• 35:38
  Speaker 8: the recult runners in a w tag titles automatically become
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: the single most meaningless title.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, what what what are they worth? Now you've
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: got him on the Elite who had wrestled, had him
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: for five months or so, and wrestled for him for
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: like three times. They're being used for no reason because
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: the let's be honest, the Elite's whole storyline is ship
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: because they're not doing anything with it. They've just let
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: it go to hell and they've done nothing with it
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: except they come out once in a while and they oh, well,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: where are the Elite? Where the where are You're like
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: vps and we're gonna do what we want to do,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: and you're gonna do this.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: And it's they don't even do that anymore. They don't
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: show them like producing this show and stuff like that.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: So you took the whole storyline. You put the titles
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: on the team that yes, they do a good job
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: defending them when they defend them, but they've made it
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: clear that they're on a part time contract that they
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: only have to show up so many times a year,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: and that's what they're playing it off. Your titles work
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: because they're on a group that nobody they're doing nothing
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: with them, So what's the point?
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Actually, Yeah, the continental title, I would say, is in
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: a worse position than the tag team titles.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why was they caught in on having singles matches
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: on some of the biggest shows it is?
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: That's the thing I've been questioning ever since all.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: In I think it has to do with Elite having
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: the same contracts. Except for maybe.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Perry one contract only one person can wrestle per show.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: They all they all have that selected date kind of
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: thing where they can select when they want to wrestle,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: and that's what they have to set up as that's the.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Way pay millions of Why pay millions of dollars just
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: for o'carder to not be on on the carrd Well.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: That probably comes down to the fact that Tony's proven
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: in the past that he has an issue being able
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: to do a whole lot of stories at once, and
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: possibly they're not doing much with them because they're so
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: worried about keeping this other story getting off the ground
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: and getting it started.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: Who can say, yeah, except like, you have this storyline
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: with hang Man. You got Jay White who just came back.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: He's on his own story. Now, you got Swerve and
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: everything with Shelton, Benjamin MVP and most likely the daybuting
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: Bobby lastly on Wednesday.
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: So there are a number of stories going on right now.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but what's the point? What was really the point
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: of them attacking Tony Kahn and doing all this stuff
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: and then boom, just doing nothing. I feel like that
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: was a waste and we wasted all this where there's
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: talent out there who could use those tag titles instead
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: of keeping them on the elite.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: That I agree with.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: You got to put him somewhere and right now, your
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: best and most popular tag team are the Outrunners. They
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: don't have to hold him for long. All they gotta
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: do is.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: The most popular. If you say the Outrunners are the best.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't don't know anything about.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I said.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: That's the most popular. That was exactly.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: It didn't mean it that way. But right now they're
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: the ones that the fans are the most excited about
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: f TR. Nobody wants to see f TR with the
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: titles again because you had the f TR in the
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Elite wrestling.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: With the titles again.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: A lot of people don't want to see me.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, f TR with the titles Outrunners chasing them. I
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: think that would be the only scenario where I'd be
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: interested in seeing the Outrunners in like a tag team
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: title match, would be against f TR. But anyway, it's
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: not gonna happen.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't happen. There are a lot of
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: people that love the Outrunners, but I guess I'm just
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: too mature for them.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: No, you're too young maybe or the third the youngest.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Alive. So I mean, I just have no interest in
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: ever seen the Outrunners in a wrestling ring. They can
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: do movies. I just don't know where they're going to go.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, what kind of movie, Gilmore, you would be
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: great in that they.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Could redo all the Hogan's old movies.
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: Nord I do think they were all I think they
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: were in.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I think they directed those movies, right, Yes, they did.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: They wrote the script.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Hey, you know what, they're making all the old movies
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: over again now, so that's the perfect thing.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they directed. Yeah, I'll tell you. I'm telling you.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: The way things are going right now in a w
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: it's like another movie. I say it all the time.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: It's like groundhog Day. It's like rinse repeat, do something
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: to take a risk. And I'm sorry, but FTR and
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the Elite and all that. They're great teams. They earned
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: every accolade that they've gotten. They've got to do something.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: You got Shelton Benjamin hopefully Bobby Lashley coming in there,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: you go. I mean, I am excited about that match.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Adam Adam Copeland did Christian Kick as tag team partners.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Something new that's old, but still something new. I mean,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: the out Runners were there. I think they were their
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: first opponents, you know, so.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: I think, yeah, going to interject some freshness to it.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: I think I'm see what that's going to hid.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, Shelton Benjamin Taving on match with Leo Rush tomorrow.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: We all know that's probably gonna edge with Bobby Lashley
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: coming out and debuting.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Most like quite possible.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: From what I heard, the reason they kept Bobby Lashley
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: off of Wressell Dream is because they had so many
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: like angles and stuff on that pay per view.
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: They didn't want his debut to get lost in the shuffle.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: The way that it was reported was that we already
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: saw that Brian Danielson got beat down and in his
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: hometown by Don Moxley in the BCC. Had Bobby Lashley
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: come out, it would have resulted in a beatdown of
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Swear Strickland Swear Strickland also in his hometown, and they
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: simply did not want to do two of hometown heroes
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: on the same show. And I get that. I agree
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that would have been dumb.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Well, Alex, bring up one I want to talk about next.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I think we have just one last topic before we
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: maybe discuss the Pope Pier or the Dynamite cards. So
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: we had the PWI two hundred and fifty Top Women
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: was released today. We had a bunch of aw I'll
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: just go through the aw women that are in the
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: top ten. We had Athena at number ten, Mariah May
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: number nine, Willow Nightingale was number eight, and then Tony
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Storm was the number one woman for the year. And
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: this is like a k FAB list. It's not necessarily
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: who's the most popular in wrestling, but it's the most
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: successful woman I guess in wrestling title wise and match wise.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they do have some criteria. Matter of fact, like
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the only reason Mercedes Monett is not even anywhere on
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: this list is because she didn't meet the right did
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: not meet the criteria for the number of matches wrestled
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: within the time period. By the way, the time period
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: was from October first, twenty twenty three until September thirtieth,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. So when you read these rankings, that's
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: what the that's the timeframe. Also with the top one hundred,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Julia Hard at twenty six, Kakaroshida at thirty one, Billy
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Starks at thirty three, Chris Statlander at thirty six, Dianna
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Parazzo at I can't read it. I want to say
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: that's thirty nine. Yeah, Red Velvet good to see her
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: at fifty one, Sky Blue at fifty four, Queen Abanado
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: at fifty five, and then you also had rounding out
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the top one hundred, you had thunder Rosa and Marina
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Shaffir and finally and a Jay And I will say
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: this in the case of a lot of these women
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: in a W not all of them, but a lot
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: of them that I just named, they had a significant
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: jump from last year. So I totally one that maybe
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: fell a little bit was I think well of Nightingale
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: was either seven or nine last year. So she was right,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: she's basically this year, She's basically right where she was
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: last year, if I'm not mistaken.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: I got a question. You said the Mercedes is not
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: on this list because she didn't meet the criteria for
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: matches in the time period, right, right, Okay, how long?
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And I get it, but how long has Juliet Hart
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: been out? Didn't she get out like summer?
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's been out for a long time.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: A match she's not in the time period.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: But it was from yeah, last year October.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: You're completely wrong here, uh the time period for this
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: this uh PW Insider to fifty is from October first,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, last year. True, September thirtieth, twenty twenty four.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Julia Hart actually had like thirty some matches.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: She had matter that she ten matches in twenty twenty four,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: she was time. Yeah she was going injured.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: That she was defending it like she had matches every week.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: It seemed like, Yeah, she got injured in April of
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: this year.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I could have swore she was She would she have
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: been higher. But if she didn't get injured, absolutely, Because
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: that's one thing I will say about the p WY
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: thing is that they tend to penalize rustlers for being
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: injured for any amount of time, even if they meet
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the criteria. For example, Julia, the one that's in WWE,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: is ranked like twenty second or something like that. She
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: should be way up there, but she was injured, so
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: she missed him time and they penalized her for it.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I was actually kind of shocked that Julia Hart was
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: twenty six.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: Is that like Statlander is thirty? Is that like Statlanders
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: thirty six?
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: But like I said, the PW Insider has this thing
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: where they do penalize wrestlers. I don't think so, because
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: if I am not mistaken, Statlander when she was injured,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: she came back last year. If I'm not mistaken, she
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: came back in September of last year. Is that right?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Isn't that when she beat Jade Cargill was in September
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: of last year.
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: No, I think that was a double or nothing.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: I can't remember.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to remember when double or nothing was.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Mean June in it, Jay Carkos, Jake Marko has not
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: been in aw this year.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: No, she maade her.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Twenty twenty three. That was May of twenty twenty three
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: at double or nothing.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Yep, Yeah, so that's been.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Snatlander was not on the injured list at
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: all during that time.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: No she. I guess she was the TVs champion at
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: the beginning of their the period in October twenty twenty
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: three and then lost it in November. I know they do,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: like if you were a champion for a long period
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: of time during that the year, then you go up
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: a lot higher. But she's lost a lot of matches
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: in the last year.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that story with her stokely did not help
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: her as far as that goes. Stan Line was built
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: in baby base and I'm glad that they're making her
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: back into a baby face. Obviously that's the direction they're
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: going because people wanted to happen.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Some edge to her. I wish they explained it a
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: little bit more.
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: But you know, lot with Mercedes for the TBS title.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but she'll end up losing. I know that's something
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: that that's a whole different different color. But I really
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: am tired of money with the belt.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've often said that I do not believe that
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: any wrestler should hold you belts with the amount of
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: talent that is in the men's and women's division in
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: a w and roh, there's no reason whatsoever for any
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: wrestler the whole two belts, even if it's not an
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: aw belt, which the IWGP Strong Title is a New
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Japan belt. But mercedeses walking around with two of them.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: She can stand to lose that DBS Championship and still
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: hold on to that IWGP belt because I don't think
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: that Mercedes is going to lose that belt if she
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: does until Russell Dynasty in January.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like a big part of the New Japan
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: anytime they run a show in America, be like front
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: and center on the poster.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But you know, hey, you're.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Getting their value out of her as well.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Look, I mean we've got to give credit where credit
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: is due to Tony Storm, who was number one on
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: that PWY list, and we kind of glossed it over.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Let's give her some flowers. I mean her character personally,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I think her character work is absolutely fantastic. I don't
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: think that it's her wrestling that god her rock number
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: one on this list. I think it was her character.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: But okay, I mean she's elevated pretty much everybody she's
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: met in the ring with, and that's what it's all about.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: She's done the best character work in a w over
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: the last year and a half. Easily.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: You guys, think of rival who's done as well as
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: she has with character work.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: She's done.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Who are you talking about?
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: Okay, any other wrestler. I mean that's what I'm saying.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: She's done so good that even she's masking, she's going
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: past the men except I love Juice Robinson. But she's
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: really went and did her thing, even taking it to
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: New Japan and taking it well. She didn't get to
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: go to CMLLL, but she eventually will and her.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: While answer that question, I mean, look, there are several
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: women in aaw who are doing some pretty decent character work.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: The outa Parazzo comes to mind, but Data Parazzo hasn't
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: earned it. In my opinion. So I mean, even her
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: buddy Camille the brick House is doing. I think she's
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: doing fine character work. It's just that she hasn't earned it.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: But I will go back to this probably if there's
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: a woman on the aw roster that is second to
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Tony Storm as far as character work, has earned a
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: shot because they were a former TBS champion and they
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: have the rematch clause, and I honestly believe that Mercedes
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Monette was always supposed to take the title from Julia Hart,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: and that is where it's going. I mean, think about
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the story that was built. The first person who ever
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: got in the ring with Mercedes Monet, not in the match,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: but as an attacker, was Julia Hart. The lights went
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: off and Mercedes Monette was beaten down. Julia Hard of
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: course got injured, so they had to kind of probably
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: flipflop that to make it seem like sky Blue is
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: the one who attacked Mercedes Monette. But I don't believe
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: that that was the story. I think the story from
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: the get go with Mercedes Monette coming into a w
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: was always Monette versus Heart, and I think that they're
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: going to revisit that because God knows when something gets
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: into Tony Kahan's mind, he's gonna find a way to
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: do it, come hell or high water. Even if the
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: people that are doing it are not with the company anymore,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: He'll still try to find a way to do it.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: M hmm, Yeah, I.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Think that's gonna be Julia Hart, Mercedes Bonett.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a question. MK. Just of people that I think
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: are kind of on the level of Tony Storm, and
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: maybe not quite, I'd say Willow in my opinion, she's
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: you know, she's not really playing a character in the
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: same way as Tony Storm, but like Tony Storm's just
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: perfect at being who she is. He's perfect when cutting promos,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: you can't say anything, he doesn't do anything wrong. And Willow,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: for me, is just perfectly who she could be as
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: a character. When she does a promo, it's as good
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: as anybody in aw And she's put on great matches too.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I thought her match with Mariah May was one of
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: the best woman she perview men such as we've had
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: in years. So not in years, but in a few shows. Yeah,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: So shout out to Willow. Number eight.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Don't forget when it comes to story. Uh, you've got
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Mina Shirakawa still there and frankly, uh not maybe not
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: as an opponent, but maybe a tag team partner. Mayuu Watani.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm really excited for her.
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: It almost feels like right now they're waiting for Mina
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: shar A Kawa to come over, and they're waiting for
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: Tony Storm to come back, because when you look at
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: since Mariah has won the women's title, there hasn't really
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: been anything for her on the other side, Like, yeah,
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: she had a really good match with Willow at Wrestle Dream,
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: but I don't think anybody realistically believed Willow was gonna
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: take the title off of her.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: It's funny you say they're waiting for Mina Shirica. It
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: feels like Mina Shirka was waiting for them to use her.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah commitments, you know in CMLL and stardom, and so
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Mina Shirkla is basically waiting on Tony Storm to get
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: back the aw.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: But in terms to answer your question earlier about who
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: can ride with Tony Storm in terms of character work,
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: I gotta say I'm JFF.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but MJF looks really stupid at a sports
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: bro I can tell you that right now, do you
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: know that m JF is Unless you know something about MJF,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he's partner in the conversation.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: But there is somebody else that's partner that's been getting
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: kind of talk about out quite a lot, and that's
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Anna J. What do you think about Anna j? If
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: if they treat her with a serious push and not
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: just you know, meet for the wolves, where would she go?
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Would she go against Storm or would she go against Monette?
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: I like Anna Ja, and she's gotten better. She don't
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: even think she's just not there yet.
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: What about Jamie Hater for that matter?
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Rawlins, that's a really good point, but let's base it.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe Jamie Hater isn't ready yet. I don't know, but
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: or maybe Tony Kana's got her, you know that to
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: have a feud with somebody that's injured like thunder Rosa
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: or something right now, and you know Tony Kahan, with
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: his patience, will wait until you know the second coming
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: of whoever to uh to pull the trigger on something
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: uh and don't forget. I feel like if she if
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: he was going to do something with Peter, he would
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: have done it already and up.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: And when he when he had to run off that
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: out of that four way match like that, that made
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: no sense.
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: But now before and I was just about to say,
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: don't forget.
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: During that four way it was board that came back
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: randomly and attacked Jamie Hare Don't get where that's going.
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: But okay, as long as you have a strong follow
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: up on Dynamite, I'll pay attention, Jed, I'll.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Forget that that four way match was that's necessary because
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: of an injury.
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: Uh so, yeah, I know Britt Baker felt came down
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: with an illness, I know something like that.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: My point is that I believe they for me. Yeah,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: they sent Penelope for It out there to protect Jamie
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Hayter from taking a pin or worse, not getting the wind,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean if she would have been in
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: the ring when somebody else got pinned, or outside of
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: the ring, you know, prone on the ground when somebody
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: else got the wind, meaning Willow would have been Let's
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: face it, Willow was always going to win that match.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: He was gonna win the match against Britt Baker, and
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: she was always going to win that match. There was
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: no need for Jamie Hater to be out there at
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: all other than other than simply to be the person
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: that basically was the foil to reintroduce Penelope forward to
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: the crowd.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's that's you had so many other people
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: that could have been putting that match instead of wasting
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: Jamie Hater for nothing. I mean, she's come back, she's
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: done what Since she's come.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Back, it was nice to have her on Dynamite.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: And he's with Cameron, and I think partly Cameron, and
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: that's not bad for a startup. I think they're slowly
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: getting her back into it because of her injury. And still.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I do want to point out one thing with Jimmie Hater.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: I would love for her to borrow sky Blue Scooby
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Doo outfit ring ring gear because I think it would
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: just fit so well. Because everybody's constantly saying that Jimmy
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Hater looks like Daffity from Scooby Doo.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: Now, so I do like that, even though I think
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: it's a little low for her.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: I do like that sky Blue is on here at
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: number fifty four, although again I think that's just a
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: tad bit low for her because I prior to her injury,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: it seemed like they were building her up for something
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: and I was starting to get pretty investigated it, So, yeah,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: With you, Rollins, she's she's that low simply because of
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: the injury. I really do believe that she would have
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: been hire.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: I'm really looking forward.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I'd really like to see.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: Uh Beanna Parazzo versus versus Mariah May or someone like
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: that who got a little more established and stuff. That's
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: what we need to keep on going. But I was
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: kind of surprised to see Maria Shafir even on that list.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: I didn't know she wrestled that much and quite.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: A big tour of the indies.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some matches in like the blood Sport thing where
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: it's like shoot fighting without wrestling ropes.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: The mention of the Deanna Parazzo, who there's a lot
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: of talk that she's going to start this late female
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: gangster group. I keep hearing.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: About, well, you got Taia with her right.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: And possibly I was thinking before the Marina even got
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: involved with the BCC that that might have been where
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: she was going to go. But that could prove to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: be a little interesting in the women's division.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: I agree on that note.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: I was thinking the Renegade Twins, we're going to join
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: up with Mercedes Monet.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: Now they're talking about.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: I had originally heard that the Renegade Twins were good
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: link up with Mercedes Monee and Camille.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all. I've never heard the Renegades with the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Ana Parazzo.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: I saw that in an article. I don't remember where
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: it was, but I saw it a couple about a
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: week ago. They were talking about and they said the
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: Renegade Twins and it was somebody else thinking me the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: hirsh but I can't remember if it was her or not,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: but there there. It was kind of weird because most
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: of them are r O H heavy wrestlers than AW,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: so that's kind of weird.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Speaking of which, Athena is number ten on the list,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: I personally think that she would have she should have
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: been higher on the PWY list at number ten. Uh.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Is it time for Athena and frankly Billy Starks to
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: come to a W and make an impact?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I kind of.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: But the problem with that is is Athena doesn't want
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: to do both, so until they get someone to take
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: that title off of her, king going anywhere near a W.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Queen Aminada can actually can actually be a good face
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: for Riga Waterson.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: And and that's the part.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: There is that I think that's basically the face of RIGA.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 9: Is absolutely well, that's because Tony Kahn has let a
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 9: W and let people from r o AH have the
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 9: men's titles come over to a W almost as much,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 9: probably more than they.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Are a r o H.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: Yes, you know that was They asked him that question
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: when he first bought r o H and he swore,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: I'm not he wasn't going to do that.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: And yet like at Wressell Dream, Mark Briscoe defended the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: Ring of Iron World Championship against Chris Jericho.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't see that a team title too.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. Brian Cage versus Atlantis Junior.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he deserves the title. Yeah.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: And someone asked Tony about the possibility of roster split.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: I think the first thing he needs to worry about
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: is getting r o H talent off of a W.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: And because you have enough talent on the AEW only roster,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: you don't need the r o H guys there, you
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: truly don't.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I was kind of shocked at that Brian Cage in
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Atlanta's junior match, because remember this was the first show
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: meaning Russel Dream that Fox Sports Mexico with broadcasting. Now,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Brian Cage is pretty much internationally known, uh so they
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: know him down to Mexico. But to have a Mexican
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Mexican superstar from CMLL at Triple A or where I
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: don't even really I think Atlanta Studiors CMLL, Yeah, I
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: do know that, but to have him on the first
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: broadcast lose, it was kind of shocking to me. So
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: maybe they're booking a rematch of some sort CMLL because
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, a w has been doing a lot
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: of work with Stardom. They've been doing a lot of
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: work with CMLL. I mean you had Tony Storm and
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Anna jay Over and Stardom. You've had John Moxley, Tony Storm.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: I believe Brian Cage was down down in CMLL as
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: well Willow Nightingale. I mean, you've had a lot of
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: wrestlers participating, you know. So when you're looking at possible
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: contenders in the women's division and the men's division that
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: we were talking about for tag team titles and whatnot,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: don't discount the women from Stardom and the men from
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: CML in this and of course the Dow Japan men.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean we can we can definitely see
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: some of that. I mean, who was at gape Kid
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: from uh Do Japan just wrestled in uh Ring of Honor.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Oh really just.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just matter of fact. He was the guy that
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: if you if you remember, the news broke a couple
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago that Anthony Henry had corners spectoral muscle.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's what he was wrestling with gay
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Kid that it was nothing the kid did. It was
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: just a you know, a freak stretch. I mean, it happens.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: That's the thing about with the torn pecks. Well, that
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: kind of thing happens. It's never like it's never like
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: a oh, somebody botched something. It's just a freak accident.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. And he's older, he's forty, Anthony Henry.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: He's no spring chicken. But yeah, that's really cool. And
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: the Young Bucks I just saw they had I think
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: at the New Japan show there was a little promo
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: package of them saying that they're going to be defending
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: on the titles that wrestle Dynasty, right, not defending the titles,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: just appearing. But yeah, they're already setting these things up.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: Where the Golden Levers come back.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, to be honest with you, I think
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: Russell Dynasty is going to be one of the most
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: important shows that AW participates in because I think I
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: said this last week or a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's very important for AW to send challengers
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: to these matches at Russell Dynasty and lose.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's time to pay it forward.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Have they been doing that? Because Tony Tony Storm
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: just went to start him in Japan and lost. So
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: that sets up mayue Watani. We're coming to AW and
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: doing this doing the favor pay it forward. You've got
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: to build up these companies. You've got to have women
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: like Tony Storm going to start them and been putting
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: over to start them. Talent. You've got to have Byou
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: Evitani and you know, a zm and or a Zumi
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: uh am Nakano do what they've been doing. Mina shar
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Kama come over to a W and put over a
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: W talent, and that's good, but you've also got to
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: you've got to reciprocate. That's my point, all right, So
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: let's move on. We're gonna go ahead and do a
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: pot Pourrie segment and basically what the pot pirisse segment
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: is is that you could talk about anything you want
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: to talk about. Uh, and I'm gonna talk about I'm
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: gonna go first, and I'm going to talk about the
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Internet wrestling community because things have started to I've seen
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: some changes in the Internet wrestling community and it's been
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: mostly for the better. I think that aw fans and
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: WWE fans are starting to actually get each other now.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: I've seen some interesting stuff. And by the way, aw
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: fandhub our little subreddit is about to hit six k members.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: So if you are not a member of aw fan,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: please click that subscribe button or join button or whatever
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: you want to call it, because that would help us
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: get through six k and that would be really nice.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: So that's what I wanted to say, is that I
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: really do see a change a little bit for the
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: positive in the IWC on reddit. Look, Twitter is accessible.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: There are too many people with those little blue check
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: marks on Twitter that have discovered that they can make
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: money by getting engagement, interaction, profile views, whatever you want
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: to call them, and they post the most preposterous stuff
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: that they can in order to get cheap bops is
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: the best way to put it. Twitter is an absolute
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: or x as a absolute cesspool. But that's my that's
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: my thing that I wanted to bring up for property.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, no, I'm just going to agree with you Kelson. Yeah,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: I feel like people have kind of maybe it's part
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: of AW getting this new deal announced and they're they're
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: going to be sticking around for a little while. Some
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: people have learned they have to accept that. But yeah,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I feel like people just understand, Hey, they're two different products,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: WWE and a w There's a lot of crossover fans
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: of both, but there's a lot of people that just
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: enjoy one or the other and you don't need to
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: hate the other company for.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Whatever, you know what. Ales one of the things I
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: want to point out, You look at the stuff credits.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Let's just because aw fanom is built around discorded and Reddit.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Look at the subredits for AAW and look at the
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: subreddits that are general pro wrestling and look at the
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: subreddits that are WWE based. You add up all the
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: members of all the subreddits, and they don't add up
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: to what AAW gets in viewers on their shows each week,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: you know, for each program. And then of course that
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: being said that they don't even come close to coming
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: to what you know, Rod SmackDown get. My point is
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: that the Internet wrestling wrestling community on Reddit is a
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Haltrey fraction of the people that are watching these shows
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: and keeping up with them. The opinions may be valid,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: some of them may be invalid. That's all matter opinion.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: Some of them may be from trolls, and some of
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: them may not be. The point is is that if
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: you if it's not a religion, it's not law. When
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: it's something is said by the IWC on Reddit, it's
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: just a small fraction of an opinion of the people
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: that are actually watching these wrestling showows. It's a very
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: small fraction. So I just wanted to leave that there.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: Anybody else, I'm a POTPORI.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 6: I guess I'll go.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: So Jay White says he's on like this revenge tour,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: and after he beat Hangman at wrestled Dream in his
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: post match interview backstage or whatever you want to call it,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: he was saying like, now I've checked number one off
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: my list. Now I'm coming after number two. You don't
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: know when I'm gonna come around.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: Striker and all that type of stuff, and then Tony
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: Kahan tweets out flat out like, yeah, Christian Cage was
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: number two and we're doing the match on Wednesday. I'm like, no,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: don't do that. Like I probably could have figured out
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: it was Christian Cage, but I would have liked it
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: to develop more. Have j White stalk a few different people,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: keep it a little bit of a mystery, and then
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: not necessarily a full gear. But on a later episode
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: of Dynamite, that's when you do Jay White versus Christian Cage.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: Don't just come out right away and say, oh, yeah,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: Christian Cage was number the mystery number two person.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could rollins on social media. I mean you
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: could see a large about of people more than normal
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: collectively rolling their eyes on social media. But Tony Kahn
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: kind of ruined that whole kind of what were you said?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: You know, he just announced it and kind of took
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: the mystery out of it.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: Like I was genuinely interested in the story, and I'm like,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: I could see a number of different people being this
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: mystery opponent for j White. Sure some of them are
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: currently in storylines right now. I get it, But like
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: I was thinking somebody, like, for example, Swerve Strickland or.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: Like MJF for.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: Example, just to name a couple and then for you
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: to come out and just go, oh, yeah, it's Christian Cage.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like, really, yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: Did he actually say that that's his next revenge person
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: or did they just get a match?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: Well, when you look at the match, it's kind of
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: a big match. It's not like a job or anything.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: It's Christian Cage.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: I can find the exact tweet for you and read it.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: Uh, that's what I just I just wondered if he
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: actually came out and said this is his number two
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: on his list, or if it was just done a
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: mass not.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Because yeah, say number two. But you know.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: The tweet Christian having a problem with the Bang Bang Gang,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: but not necessarily Jay White, because the only time he
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: really interacted with them, White was hurt.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: Well, in Time's tweet, it says, after a monumental win
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: versus Hangman at Wressel Dream, Jay White aims for revenge
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: on the second man who cost him the owen Hard Tournament,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: Christian Cage on TBS this Wednesday.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: Well, there you go, there you go.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: That was dumb, But you.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: Know, it takes so much a lot of the scheme
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: of the story in my opinion.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, does anybody else up with potpourrie? I do so.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: I want to get props to uh to j R.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: He did an article that did an article out. He
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: was speaking of his podcast or what he called out.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 6: He called out the.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: Mercedes Monnette problem, said that she's not connecting with him
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: at least. And I want to say, you know, sometimes
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: you have to go against the grain of your own
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: company that you back and say maybe you need to
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: work on her. And at least someone's saying, I know
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: legions of fans, she has a popular following, but someone
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: has to say that she's not or she used to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: be an n XT and something's missing.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: I think the thing that's missing with her is that
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: she's trying to be the same as she was in WWE.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: She basically didn't change her character at all.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: He's always been that though. I mean, she and she
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: needs a refresher well that in promo work.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they put way too much on her shoulders based
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: on her reputation instead of based on what she actually
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: can do. That's just how I see it, all.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, anybody else have to have a potpourri?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I just have a quick one. I think the
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: the ending of Russell Dream with Moxley beating Brian Danielson,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: just that moment that where everything just went quiet and
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Bryce Remsburg like threw up his hands after calling the
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: match and put his hands in his face and he
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: was so upset, and you know, it was like a horrible, dark,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: depressing moment, I think for everybody, and I just felt
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: like that's something that AW sometimes is missing, just you know,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: like with Sting's finale was perfect for what it was,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: but it didn't really in the end. I yeah, I'm
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: not saying anything bad about what happened with Sting, but
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: the way that they handled Brian Danielson's the end of
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: his career, it leaves there's now room for Darby Allen
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: to carry that torch and get that heat back from
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: John Moxley that's been built because of that moment. I
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: think that it was tough and probably upset a lot
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: of people, and a lot of people were disappointed with
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: how it played out, But I think sometimes moments like
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: that are important in wrestling to give people things to
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: overcome later on, and so, uh yeah, I just I
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: thought it was good for the health of AW in
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: the long term. How they handled it.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: I think I could agree with that, and I think
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: with the way Sting went out, you had to have
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: him go out like that.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't get he didn't get that kind of
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: respect anywhere else. He didn't get that kind of respect
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: when he was in WWE. He didn't get that kind
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: of respect when he's in TNA and Sting was. Sting
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: was there as long as Flair was there. Sting was
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: there back in the early days of w CWN before that,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: so you know, he's he is the icon. There's nobody
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: else that ever had, will, ever had, or ever had
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: the career this thing did. So you had to have
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: him go out the way he did. It would have
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: been horrible to have him go out any other way.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And it was things like, for sure,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: last match, whereas Brian Danielson's still maybe going to have
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: other matches in the future, just not as full time guy.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: I almost guarantee you he's going to have his revenge
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: when he's when he's healthy. You know that's coming someday.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: I think that's one of the aspects of wrestle dream
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: that I haven't heard a lot people talk about, is
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: the fact that like, yeah, we are you to turned
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: on Darby Allen and he did the plastic bag, but
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: you could he was so conflicted the whole time, like
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: he really didn't want to do.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: It at the beginning. But once you're killing someone with
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: the plastic bag over their head, I think you're you're.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Pretty in Do you know this from experience?
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Experience, you know, yeah, spisks, I can't say that word.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a moment when you feel the life from
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: your victim.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: When you're trying to strangle somebody to death. It's good
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: to have experience, That's what Alex is saying.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And from experience, I can tell you that
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: he was fully evil at that point.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Well. One thing that people have been pointing out that
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: I actually forgot about, but I did see if several
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: people point this out, was I remember when Daniel Garcia
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: was being teased as being a part of the Blackpool
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: Combat Club. Brian Danielson kind of turned his back on
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Wheeler UTA at that time, And of course Brian Daniel
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Garcia did betray Brian Danielson. But we'll back and look
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: at it. Danielson kind of drove Wheeler You to nuts.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: With that whole thing and left them out to dry
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: a couple of times.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty interesting.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: But anyway, well let's call this a show. We've got
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: Dynamite on Wednesday night. There's gonna be a lot going
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: on that we will be talking about it on All
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: the Talk with the aw fanhab podcast team. We're gonna
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: just give our thoughts on everything that happens on Dynamite.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to this Dynamite because there's so
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: much story that could happen. And might we see Bobby
• 1:23:38
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