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Decoding The Exorcist | Jay Weidner · Ryder Lee

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Speaker 1: How's it going. I'm doing great. And we had some
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Speaker 1: revelations the other day while we were on the phone.
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Speaker 1: And what kind of sparked this conversation was a show
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Speaker 1: called The Institute. I don't know if people have seen this.
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Speaker 1: I spoke about it the other day with one iola,
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Speaker 1: But I thought that that was strange, Jay, because it
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Speaker 1: seems like every time we do something, and this could
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Speaker 1: be just a coincidence, but it's happened like three times now.
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Speaker 1: I don't know when something doesn't become a coincidence anymore.
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Speaker 1: I think after two I think it's pretty fair to
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Speaker 1: say around two times of something happening over and over again,
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Speaker 1: it's no longer a coincidence. But there always seems to
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Speaker 1: be some sort of propaganda surrounding whatever it is that
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Speaker 1: we decided to do.
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Speaker 2: And I noticed that, how about fifteen documentaries came out
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Speaker 2: right after we came out with JFKX, when there had
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Speaker 2: been almost no films made about the jfk assassination. I
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Speaker 2: know because I would have watched them if they come out,
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Speaker 2: and there was hardly any and now there's you know,
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Speaker 2: you go on Netflix and various services and there's like
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Speaker 2: eight or nine different films on each service, and all
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Speaker 2: of them, in their own way, seek to debunk what
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Speaker 2: we say in j k X, and it's very odd.
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Speaker 3: And then.
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Speaker 2: A Clockwork Shining comes out. And then not only is
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Speaker 2: there a plethora of YouTube and various shows talking about
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Speaker 2: the Shining and Kubrick, but then this odd TV series
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Speaker 2: which is out right now, it's still playing in two
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Speaker 2: more episodes of a book by Stephen King called The Institute,
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Speaker 2: which is a very interesting.
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Speaker 3: Idea.
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Speaker 2: Because I'm gonna say this right now, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: reiterate it as we go along here. We really didn't
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Speaker 2: know the stuff that's in the book or the movie
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Speaker 2: The Institute until a couple of years before the book
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Speaker 2: came out in twenty nineteen. So what am I talking about.
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about how around twenty seventeen it became it
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Speaker 2: was discovered that abused children can acquire psychic abilities from
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Speaker 2: the abuse as a matter of course of the abuse. Telekinesis,
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Speaker 2: telepathy and those kinds of things, and that's what this
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Speaker 2: show The Institute is about. Right, Yes, So in the show,
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Speaker 2: they kidnapped highly intelligent children and torture them to get
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Speaker 2: them to become more psychic, and they do tests on him.
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Speaker 2: And then there's reasons why they're doing this. I don't
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Speaker 2: want to get into it because it's kind of a
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Speaker 2: stupid reason. But the idea is that Stephen King in
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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen is now inculcating in fiction and now in
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Speaker 2: this series, this idea that abuse can cause psycho psychic power,
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Speaker 2: psychic abilities. And I've been around a long time and
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Speaker 2: it wasn't It was not known before that. Now it
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Speaker 2: was known probably in a cult circle you know that
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Speaker 2: this was true. That may be true, and maybe some
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Speaker 2: of what the stuff Alistair Crowley is talking about, But
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Speaker 2: in the general public, we did not know that. We
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Speaker 2: thought that, you know, abuse caused, you know, terrible things
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Speaker 2: to happen to people later in their life, and we
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Speaker 2: knew the abuse caused people become more especially people who
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Speaker 2: are victims of sexual abuse, become very, very sexually oriented
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Speaker 2: in their in their adult life.
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Speaker 3: I'll just put it to you that way.
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Speaker 2: And whereas regular people who weren't abuse, don't don't don't
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Speaker 2: kind of get obsessed with sex as much. So we
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Speaker 2: know there was these effects of sexual abuse, but we.
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Speaker 3: Didn't know.
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Speaker 2: About that that it would actually cause psychic abilities to happen.
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Speaker 3: And so that's what this show is about.
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Speaker 2: They're literally torturing kids to get them become more psychic
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Speaker 2: than they were when they were brought into the institute.
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Speaker 1: And that's what we talked about in the Clockwork Shining
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Speaker 1: surrounding Danny, and we're like, this is the reason why
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Speaker 1: Danny has these abilities is because he was abused by Jack.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it clearly states that in the movie The Shining,
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Speaker 1: I mean, the doctor that comes to the apartment in
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Speaker 1: Boulder and talks to Windy and examines Danny tells Windy
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Speaker 1: that that's exactly what happened. And when he says, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: when he started seeing these and having these episodes after
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Speaker 1: Jack injured his arm, broke his arm, Okay, so that's
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Speaker 1: a very traumatic event where a kid, especially coming from
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Speaker 1: your dad. So it's almost like Stephen King kind of no.
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Speaker 2: No about this is that in the book, Danny was
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Speaker 2: always psychic, Okay, he did not become psychic from the abuse.
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Speaker 2: And this is going to become important as we go
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Speaker 2: along here. Kubrick added that, all right, So Kubrick knew
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Speaker 2: somehow in nineteen eighty or seventy nine, whenever he made
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Speaker 2: the movie that Danny's psychic abilities was because of the
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Speaker 2: abuse he suffered from his father. And he added that
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Speaker 2: in emphasized it, like you say, and became a paramount
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Speaker 2: part of the whole understanding in The Clockwork Shining for
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Speaker 2: what was really going on underneath everything, and that in
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Speaker 2: our conversation we were talking about that, and then you know,
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Speaker 2: I brought up the fact that it's possible, just possible,
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Speaker 2: that we have misunderstood the horror film The Exorcist. Now
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Speaker 2: there is a link to that because William Friedkin, who
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Speaker 2: directed The Exorcist, was good friends with Stanley Kubrick, who
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Speaker 2: directed The Shining. Kubrick was offered The Exorcist in nineteen
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Speaker 2: seventy three to direct, and he turned it down because
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Speaker 2: he thought it was too Catholic and he was an
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Speaker 2: atheist and Jewish. She just couldn't get into the Catholic
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Speaker 2: stuff right, And so eventually William Freakin accepted it, and
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Speaker 2: even though he was an atheist in the jew too,
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Speaker 2: which kind of makes you wonder why he would want
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Speaker 2: to make a film like this since it's so catholic,
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Speaker 2: especially the last act of the film, or it's just
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Speaker 2: the whole ritual exorcism.
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Speaker 3: But what if.
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Speaker 2: I'm not downplaying that there's a devil. I'm not downplaying
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Speaker 2: that demons can get into people and cause them to
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Speaker 2: do things. But the the sexual nature of Reagan's exposition
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Speaker 2: before in the first part of the movie tells me
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Speaker 2: that actually Reagan, the little girl in the Exorcist, is
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Speaker 2: a victim of sex abuse. Her obsession with sex and
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Speaker 2: then her the abuse wherever she got the abuse is
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Speaker 2: what is causing her to be telepathy, to be able
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Speaker 2: to talk in tongues, to speak in Latin because he
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Speaker 2: reads the priest's mind. He knows how to speak Latin,
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Speaker 2: caused the bed to shake, cause all that stuff to happen.
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Speaker 2: What if that's actually a direct result of previous sexual
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Speaker 2: abuse of Reagan.
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Speaker 3: That is not really talked about.
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Speaker 2: And is it possible that when the church is called
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Speaker 2: in to people in the past who had been sexually abused,
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Speaker 2: that they never even thought sexual abuse could be part
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Speaker 2: of this, so they immediately just assumed that they were
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Speaker 2: possessed by the devil. I mean, these are legitimate questions.
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Speaker 2: I mean, and in the movie, the movie is structured
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Speaker 2: so that every time that Reagan does something weird, the
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Speaker 2: next scene is a psychological explanation for.
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Speaker 3: What she did.
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Speaker 2: So you can see it's clearly structured so that even
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Speaker 2: the film makers have doubts about the devil being in Reagan, right,
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Speaker 2: and they're looking for other explanations for that. And we
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Speaker 2: also have to know that William Peter Bladdie, the guy
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Speaker 2: who wrote The Extorousist, he probably didn't know this whole
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Speaker 2: thing about psychological and psychic ability coming from abuse. Nobody
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Speaker 2: knew it back then. This is all a new thing.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know about it. I never heard about it.
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Speaker 2: And when you start realizing that Stephen King is now
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Speaker 2: writing books about it and inculcating it into culture, you
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Speaker 2: really have to wonder how long this idea has been known.
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Speaker 2: And so what I think is that William Friedkin sort
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Speaker 2: of added in the whole sexual It's in the book
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Speaker 2: and everything, but he added it in because it was
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Speaker 2: a way for him to deal with the material in
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Speaker 2: a way that an atheist could deal with it. So
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Speaker 2: the abuse came from the other part of all this
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Speaker 2: is where is Reagan's dad. Okay, Reagan's mom talks to
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Speaker 2: Reagan's dad on the phone, and she's not very happy
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Speaker 2: with him. It's clear she's very hostile to him. And
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Speaker 2: he never she never tells him that her daughter's having
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Speaker 2: all these problems. She never tells him that she's going
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Speaker 2: to an exorcist. She never tells him that, you know,
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Speaker 2: possibly her daughter murders someone. Right, He's like left out
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Speaker 2: of the picture, almost as if Reagan's mom was hostile
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Speaker 2: to him for some reason. And it is curious that
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Speaker 2: he's left out of the picture. But the real question,
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Speaker 2: the really weird part of this whole thing of requestioning
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Speaker 2: the Exorcist and what's really going on in this movie
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Speaker 2: is the murder of her mom's film director Burke. Burke
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Speaker 2: is throwing out of Reagan's window and he hits these
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Speaker 2: steep stairs and rolls down the stairs and breaks his
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Speaker 2: neck in such a way that it's twisted backwards, completely backwards.
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Speaker 2: And Reagan's mom in Reagan's mom's assistant see some kind
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Speaker 2: of commotion going on as they're arriving home. They see
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Speaker 2: some stuff going on and some sirens and stuff. They
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Speaker 2: don't know what's going on, and then they go into
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Speaker 2: the house. And then they're in the house and then
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Speaker 2: one of her assistants comes in and says, did you
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Speaker 2: get to hear the news? And he said, what Burke died?
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Speaker 2: He fell down the stairs right by your house and
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Speaker 2: he was thrown out of Reagan's bedroom window. And nobody
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Speaker 2: in the movie, not the police inspector, not the priest,
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Speaker 2: not Reagan's mom, no one ever asked the question, what
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Speaker 2: the hell is the film director Burke doing up in
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Speaker 2: Reagan's bedroom at home, in their house when they're not there.
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Speaker 2: Does he have a key? Does he have a key
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Speaker 2: to the house? Does he have free access to Reagan?
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Speaker 3: Right? I mean you have to add what's he doing
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Speaker 3: in the house?
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Speaker 2: And how can nobody ever questions what's he doing in
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Speaker 2: my daughter's bedroom?
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Speaker 3: Right? But he was up there. There's a lot about it.
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Speaker 1: And so.
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Speaker 3: I think that.
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Speaker 2: The authors and probably a lot of the previous exorcists,
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Speaker 2: not knowing that sexual abuse causes you to get telekinetic
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Speaker 2: and telepathic abilities, they thought that they were possessed by
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Speaker 2: the devil, right, because they're reading their mind, and which
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Speaker 2: Reagan does in the movie. Right, And so that's what
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Speaker 2: I think I think that that's actually the secret of
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Speaker 2: the extra is that we're dealing with sexual abuse, possibly
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Speaker 2: from more than just her father or the or Burke,
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Speaker 2: the film director. Maybe it's some kind of ritualistic sexual abuse.
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Speaker 2: We don't know, you know. And the fact that no
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Speaker 2: one actually questions what he's doing up in her bedroom,
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Speaker 2: including the police guy, really makes you wonder was it
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Speaker 2: all okay? I mean, is it okay for this grown man?
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Speaker 2: And by the way, he's clearly shown earlier in the
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Speaker 2: film as being a pervert. He remarks about finding a
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Speaker 2: hair hair from down below it is Martinia or something
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Speaker 2: whatever he's drinking, right, so he's clearly shown as being
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Speaker 2: kind of a leccherous dude. And then you know, he
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Speaker 2: dies and is thrown out the window. And so you know,
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Speaker 2: did he go up into the room and Reagane just
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Speaker 2: finally had enough, you know, and that was it, you know,
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Speaker 2: she threw him out the window. And so how can
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Speaker 2: a little girl throw you out the winter? Well, we
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Speaker 2: know that ninety pound women can lift up two ton
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Speaker 2: trucks to get their kid out from under retire, right,
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Speaker 2: So it's been done in moments of.
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Speaker 3: Fury and.
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Speaker 2: Danger, frail human can pack a punch, so it's not
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Speaker 2: all of the Ordner. And besides the Reagan does have
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Speaker 2: increased physical ability. I mean she's thrown people around and everything.
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Speaker 2: And again, is this a result of some kind of
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Speaker 2: sexual abuse? And the real, the real killer of all
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Speaker 2: this is that the way that she expresses her herself
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Speaker 2: in such an overtly sexual manner, not just with the
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Speaker 2: cross and that scene, the famous scene that you know,
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Speaker 2: she also throws herself into her mom's face and blood
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Speaker 2: all over her mom's face, I mean freaking is like
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Speaker 2: no holds bar back, showing you that this girl is
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Speaker 2: acting as if she was sexually abused. Now here's a killer.
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Speaker 2: You brought this out. I had not even thought about it.
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Speaker 2: So Reagan's mom, Ellen Burston, she goes out to all
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Speaker 2: these psychiatrists and nobody can tell her what's wrong with Reagan,
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Speaker 2: and she getting all these tests which are torture. Follow
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Speaker 2: the medical scenes of Reagan. They are torturing, completely torturing her.
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Speaker 2: It's harder to watch those scenes than any other scenes
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Speaker 2: in the movie. It really is, and you feel so
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Speaker 2: sorry for Reagan during those scenes. But then she finally
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Speaker 2: reaches her wits end and she goes to the Catholic
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Speaker 2: priests and asks him for help, and he's really skeptical
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Speaker 2: and great actor. All the actors are great in the movie.
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Speaker 2: But what do the two Catholic priests do the last
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Speaker 2: last act of the movie. They tie Reagan to a
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Speaker 2: bed and they torture her. So the answer to a
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Speaker 2: person who's been tortured and abused is to torture and
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Speaker 2: abuse her. And that is really the story of humanity,
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Speaker 2: where we have people abusing young people and then turning
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Speaker 2: them into abusers as a NonStop chain of command.
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Speaker 1: And to try and cover up the abuse that happened before.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this always kind of struck me as odd.
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Speaker 1: Why is it only Abrahamic religions that deal with possessions
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Speaker 1: and demons? Why are their only Catholic exorcists? Right, You'd
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Speaker 1: think that if the Abrahamic religions were correct and true,
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Speaker 1: why would supposed demons only mess with the only group
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Speaker 1: of people that can cast them out. It really doesn't
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Speaker 1: make any sense. Have you ever heard of a Hindu
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Speaker 1: having a demonically possessed person that required the conflict churches
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Speaker 1: blessing for an extorcism?
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Speaker 2: No, but the Hinds do have rituals where they enact
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Speaker 2: where they become the God or goddess. Right, I've seen him,
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Speaker 2: I've been there, I've seen it. It's pretty dramatic. But
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Speaker 2: they are possessed by the God, but it's just a
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Speaker 2: short lived possession during the ritual that it's over and
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Speaker 2: they're they're back to themselves and they know that they
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Speaker 2: were acting it out and all that, and you know,
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Speaker 2: because they studied the god that they were impersonating.
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Speaker 3: So no, and I.
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Speaker 1: About what about Buddhism. I've never heard of a Buddhists
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Speaker 1: requiring the assistance of a conflict church in regards to
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Speaker 1: someone exercising demons.
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Speaker 3: Kind of laughable.
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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, So my theory is is that the rituals
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Speaker 2: of the Abrahamic religions open up the person doing the
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Speaker 2: rituals to demonic attack.
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Speaker 3: I do believe that is true.
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Speaker 2: But also all three of these religions, I hate to
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Speaker 2: say it.
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Speaker 3: But they're well well known for sexual abuse of young people.
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Speaker 1: And that's my point, right, Okay, So when's the last
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Speaker 1: time you heard a Catholic priest walk into a monastery
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Speaker 1: and exercise the possessed freaking shinto monk. Never so you
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Speaker 1: would think by the logic of the Church that the
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Speaker 1: people that aren't involved with or believe in the Abrahamic
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Speaker 1: religions would be the weakest. Okay, in the furthest away
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Speaker 1: from God. I mean, that's pretty much what all of
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Speaker 1: Christianity is like. Anybody that doesn't believe in Christianity isn't
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Speaker 1: of gotten? Is the furthest away of from God. That's
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Speaker 1: why there's all these people trying to convince others to
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Speaker 1: go to church and go to the Bible. You know,
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Speaker 1: why isn't anyone else being possessed besides the believers in
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Speaker 1: the fundamentalist Abrahamic religions? And is it just a coincidence
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Speaker 1: that most sexual abuse scandals out of any religious institution
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Speaker 1: ever is the Catholic Church.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The other two are pretty good too, man, don't don't
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Speaker 2: don't underestimate them. Uh, you know remember the the the
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Speaker 2: video of the synagogue in New York, the underground tunnels
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Speaker 2: and all that.
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Speaker 1: So I think Judaism as a as an offset of Christianity,
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Speaker 1: it's very similar.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Christianity probably doesn't worship the Yello him as much,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, I would say it is instilled from from
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Speaker 2: the rituals and the beliefs of those religions stemming down
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Speaker 2: from the Elohim. I mean, because if you read the
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Speaker 2: Old Testament, the Elohim who made us, supposedly they're fornicators,
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Speaker 2: they're alcoholics, they're I mean, I don't know, they're murderers,
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Speaker 2: they go out with young women, and so.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: They appear to me to be not very nice. Whatever
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Speaker 2: they are gods or people or whatever. And I think
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Speaker 2: that the three Abrahamic religions which were created by them
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Speaker 2: have the same predilections that they have, and they're passing
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Speaker 2: it down to their children. And it would be interesting
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Speaker 2: to see statistics on you know, the number of sexually
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Speaker 2: abused people around the world and see what religions that
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Speaker 2: they come from. And I'm gonna bet you they all
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Speaker 2: come from this religion.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to bet that they all come from the
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Speaker 1: Abrahamic the three main Abrahamic religions. I mean, that's a
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Speaker 1: that's a given. I mean, I'm sure that we could
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Speaker 1: probably look it up really quickly and find that information. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's just incident that the religion that has the most
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Speaker 1: sexual abuse is also has the most demons possessing people.
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Speaker 1: There you go cause the only intressist in any religion,
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Speaker 1: like give me a break.
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Speaker 2: And back when I was young, which was about the
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Speaker 2: time the Extorcist got made, I'm very I learned a
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Speaker 2: long time ago that when I was around adults when
23:32
Speaker 2: I was a kid, to just be quiet and listen
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Speaker 2: to him. I could learn a lot more just by
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Speaker 2: listening to him and not saying anything. And so I
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Speaker 2: would kind of disappear, becoming visible in the room of adults,
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Speaker 2: and so I would hear them say stuff. At the time,
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Speaker 2: I was six or seven and quite understand what I
23:48
Speaker 2: was listening to. But as I got older, you know,
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Speaker 2: like ten or twelve, I started realizing that my parents' generation,
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Speaker 2: the males in my parents generation, they made jokes about
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Speaker 2: having sex and children all the time.
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Speaker 3: I mean all the time. It was. It was an
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Speaker 3: ongoing joke.
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Speaker 2: And I remember talking to a member of my parents'
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Speaker 2: generation and he told me that it was his right,
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Speaker 2: he said, right now. He was like he was a businessman, salesman,
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Speaker 2: lived down the street from me, and I was talking
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Speaker 2: to her, like ten or eleven years old. He said,
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Speaker 2: it's my right. I said, what's your right? I said,
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Speaker 2: she's my daughter.
24:28
Speaker 3: It's my right. And you know, it really shook me up.
24:31
Speaker 2: At the time, and I thought, wow, So I think
24:35
Speaker 2: it's actually more prevalent than we can imagine. And maybe
24:39
Speaker 2: not so much now because it's become taboo, thankfully, But
24:44
Speaker 2: in the old days, I think it was maybe like
24:49
Speaker 2: higher than fifty percent maybe of the of that generation,
24:53
Speaker 2: and it was taken for granted. And I also remember
24:58
Speaker 2: again when I was maybe fourteen year years old, I
25:01
Speaker 2: was watching TV. It was a congressional hearing for something.
25:04
Speaker 2: My mom was watching it because she was really into politics.
25:08
Speaker 3: And I heard.
25:09
Speaker 2: Remember all of Congress were all men in those days,
25:12
Speaker 2: all the senators were all men.
25:13
Speaker 3: Right, there weren't any women maybe one.
25:16
Speaker 2: And a guy got up and made a joke about
25:20
Speaker 2: you know, old enough to I don't want to say
25:23
Speaker 2: it knocked out old.
25:25
Speaker 3: Enough to, you know what, old enough to? You know what?
25:27
Speaker 2: Right, and it was and everybody laughed, it really laughed.
25:31
Speaker 2: The whole Congress thought it was the funniest joke of all.
25:34
Speaker 2: And he was making a joke about having sex with
25:36
Speaker 2: you know, prepubescent teams essentially, and it was it was
25:40
Speaker 2: so so what I'm saying, it was in the light
25:43
Speaker 2: of the Exorcist coming out. We had an underground in
25:48
Speaker 2: our society going already, right, and I'll even go one
25:54
Speaker 2: step further. I want to disturb everybody, but I think
25:59
Speaker 2: this thing have to be said. The Boomers. My generations
26:03
Speaker 2: the biggest generations ever lived on earth. Okay, we I
26:07
Speaker 2: think it was eighty five million of us in America
26:10
Speaker 2: born between nineteen forty six and nineteen sixty four and
26:15
Speaker 2: or forty five to sixty four. And the generation had
26:21
Speaker 2: just our parents' generation. The men had just come back
26:24
Speaker 2: from a two front war of absolute horror, especially the
26:29
Speaker 2: Japanese part where my dad was at absolute horror, I
26:33
Speaker 2: mean really horror. And so they were coming back from horror.
26:39
Speaker 3: They were.
26:39
Speaker 2: And when they came back, they came back to wealth.
26:42
Speaker 2: Because America started growing really rapidly.
26:44
Speaker 3: And millions and millions.
26:47
Speaker 2: Of young people everywhere everywhere, they had to change. Daylight
26:52
Speaker 2: saving time was created right here in there for us,
26:55
Speaker 2: so we could go to school in the daylight my generation.
26:58
Speaker 2: So all sorts of societal things happened because there were
27:00
Speaker 2: such a gigantic generation. Schools were being built like everywhere
27:04
Speaker 2: because there was too many kids being born, and everything
27:08
Speaker 2: was just flooding over and in the middle of all this.
27:13
Speaker 2: So let's say the baby boomer started in nineteen forty five.
27:17
Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty six, a song came out and it
27:21
Speaker 2: was written by John Phillips, the lead singer of the
27:25
Speaker 2: Laurel Canyon band Mama's and the Papas, and he was
27:29
Speaker 2: sung by his best friend Scott mackenzie. And it was
27:32
Speaker 2: a gigantic, huge hit in America at the time, and
27:36
Speaker 2: it was a very melodic song, and it was called
27:40
Speaker 2: San Francisco, and it was basically saying to all the
27:44
Speaker 2: kids in America that you all come to San Francisco
27:48
Speaker 2: because you're going to meet a gentle people there that
27:52
Speaker 2: are waiting for you. Well, it's a given kind of
27:56
Speaker 2: in in certain circles where an adult will tell a child,
28:04
Speaker 2: don't worry.
28:04
Speaker 3: I'll be gentle with you.
28:06
Speaker 2: And this song was completely blatant and nobody saw it.
28:11
Speaker 2: And so what happened is all the runaways, all the
28:15
Speaker 2: kids without any parents, all the kids that were mad
28:19
Speaker 2: at their moms and dads, everybody swept into San Francisco,
28:23
Speaker 2: swept into that hate Ashbury neighborhood of San Francisco. Literally
28:28
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand people between fifteen and nineteen right flooding
28:34
Speaker 2: in because of this song. I just wanted to say
28:37
Speaker 2: it on the side. John Phillips was later accused by
28:41
Speaker 2: his daughter Mackenzie Phillips of having sex with her when
28:45
Speaker 2: she was a little girl. Okay, and that's on record,
28:49
Speaker 2: so I'm not making that up.
28:50
Speaker 3: Anyway.
28:50
Speaker 2: We all know the Laurel Canyon scene, right, and everything
28:53
Speaker 2: went on there, and they were a big part of it,
28:56
Speaker 2: including Michelle Phillips who was good friends with Sue Lyon
29:00
Speaker 2: who was in Lolita. So anyway, what I'm saying is
29:06
Speaker 2: is that right under the nose of everybody, my generation
29:13
Speaker 2: got sucked into some pretty horrific stuff. And the people
29:18
Speaker 2: that were sucking us into it were all in my
29:20
Speaker 2: parents' generation. John Phillips, Timothy Leary, Hugh Hefner, they were.
29:25
Speaker 2: None of the guys are boomers, just like none of
29:27
Speaker 2: the Stones and none of the Beatles are boomers. Bob
29:30
Speaker 2: Byllan is not a boomer. Those guys are all from
29:32
Speaker 2: my parents' generation. They're from an older generation. They're masquerading
29:36
Speaker 2: as boomers, but they weren't.
29:38
Speaker 3: And so.
29:41
Speaker 2: I probably the only one actually ever said is but
29:44
Speaker 2: I think my generation got royally screwed by my parents' generation,
29:48
Speaker 2: the greatest generation, you know, and they won World War Two?
29:52
Speaker 3: Jay, What's wrong with you?
29:54
Speaker 2: And and you know, and I see it everywhere, and
29:57
Speaker 2: I think most of my generation never saw it at all,
30:01
Speaker 2: ever happening still to this day.
30:02
Speaker 3: They never saw it.
30:03
Speaker 2: I never saw the manipulation, faking of the music, the
30:11
Speaker 2: weird movies that they put out to influence us, and.
30:14
Speaker 1: The drugs being pushed by the CIO.
30:17
Speaker 2: The Beatles pushing LSD, you know, and all the casualties
30:23
Speaker 2: of that happened that occurred there. And the fact that
30:26
Speaker 2: you know, Lennon started figuring it out in nineteen eighty.
30:30
Speaker 3: And he didn't make it to the end of the year.
30:33
Speaker 1: And you know, so so I did a little I
30:37
Speaker 1: did a little investigation into the true story of the Extorsis,
30:41
Speaker 1: which are you familiar with the true story of what
30:45
Speaker 1: the novel is written about, which was by William Peter
30:49
Speaker 1: Blantly Bladdie Sorry, William Peter Blandie was a student at
30:54
Speaker 1: Georgetown University in Washington, d C. Took a parapsychology class
30:58
Speaker 1: and heard that heard the first mention of the story
31:01
Speaker 1: by a Jesuit priests and professor named Eugene Gallagher, and
31:05
Speaker 1: then he got in contact with other priests that were involved,
31:08
Speaker 1: and he then wrote his book based upon a boy
31:11
Speaker 1: who was possessed in nineteen forty nine in Cottage City, Maryland. Now,
31:17
Speaker 1: the interesting part of this is that the identity of
31:20
Speaker 1: this child was to remain anonymous. They called him Ronald
31:26
Speaker 1: Doe or Ronnie. Now you're gonna find this really interesting.
31:30
Speaker 3: Jake.
31:31
Speaker 1: A man by the name of Thomas b. Allen. He
31:35
Speaker 1: wrote a book called Possessed in nineteen ninety one which
31:39
Speaker 1: was a non hollywoodified version of the true story of
31:44
Speaker 1: the extorcism of Ronald Doe, which was the event that
31:48
Speaker 1: The Exorcist was based on. And here in this Wikipedia
31:56
Speaker 1: article by Thomas B. Allen, which is the author of
32:00
Speaker 1: the Unhollywood if I had version of it. His most famous
32:03
Speaker 1: book to date was Possessed. It is a retelling of
32:06
Speaker 1: the true story of a teenage boy whom Allen identified
32:10
Speaker 1: by the pseudonym Robbie Manahan from Mount Rainier, Maryland, who
32:14
Speaker 1: went through the right of extricism in nineteen forty nine.
32:18
Speaker 1: Allen track down the sole survivor of the team that
32:20
Speaker 1: performed the ectorcism Walter hollering, that's an interesting name.
32:25
Speaker 3: Wow.
32:27
Speaker 1: Okay, so but if you go down here, so Alan,
32:32
Speaker 1: this gentleman Thomas Minton Allen. He was speaking in twenty
32:38
Speaker 1: and thirteen. Alan emphasized that definitive proof that the boy
32:43
Speaker 1: known only as Robbie was possessed by a benevolent spirits
32:47
Speaker 1: is unattainable. Maybe he instead suffered from mental illness or
32:53
Speaker 1: sexual abuse, whoa or fabricated the entire experience, according to Alan.
33:04
Speaker 1: Hollarn also expressed his skepticism about the potential paranormal events
33:08
Speaker 1: before his death. So there it is right here from
33:12
Speaker 1: the guy that wrote the unhollywood ified version of what
33:16
Speaker 1: was based on the true life story of the extressist.
33:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.
33:23
Speaker 2: I remember reading about that story and I wondered if
33:27
Speaker 2: that kid had been abused somehow, again emphasizing that the
33:32
Speaker 2: abuse was a lot more prevalent than we're letting on
33:36
Speaker 2: so at the time, now it's become taboo thinkingness. So
33:41
Speaker 2: but then it was everywhere, and yeah, I think that
33:45
Speaker 2: that's a really good find.
33:46
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, I was looking around through researching into the
33:51
Speaker 1: true story because I was like, okay, well this is
33:54
Speaker 1: based On, you know, a true story. So I was like,
33:58
Speaker 1: all right, well that's that would I mean, if our
34:00
Speaker 1: analysis is correct, that William Freaking was trying to encode
34:03
Speaker 1: within the ector sistem the actressism that you know, the
34:08
Speaker 1: people that wrote the true story, not the you know,
34:11
Speaker 1: the super Hollywood version by William Blattie for sure, but
34:16
Speaker 1: the Thomas Allen version, who actually interviewed the last living
34:20
Speaker 1: priest who was involved with the ectrecism of Ronald Doe
34:23
Speaker 1: that he believed that it was sexual abuse, not the
34:27
Speaker 1: money possession.
34:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's what I'm saying. And then William
34:34
Speaker 2: Freakin and Stanley Kubrick are really good friends. Stanley Kubrick
34:38
Speaker 2: was supposed to make The Exorcist. He turned it down. Instead,
34:41
Speaker 2: he made Barry Lindon, which was his biggest flop of
34:44
Speaker 2: his whole career. And you know that nineteen seventy six
34:49
Speaker 2: or so, he's nursing his wounds here, you know, licking
34:53
Speaker 2: his paw, and he probably calls up William Freakin to
34:57
Speaker 2: find out, you know, how did I make such a
34:59
Speaker 2: mass failure?
35:00
Speaker 3: And you may effect a massive hit.
35:02
Speaker 2: I know, William Freak can say he talked a law
35:04
Speaker 2: on the phone with Stanley, and I think William Freakin
35:09
Speaker 2: told Stanley that the secret to the success of the
35:13
Speaker 2: movie was equating her erratic behavior with sexual abuse. Secret
35:18
Speaker 2: behind the scenes sexual abuse, right, And that's when Kubrick,
35:22
Speaker 2: you know, he started working on The Shining soon after,
35:26
Speaker 2: and injected that into it, that that's how Danny got
35:30
Speaker 2: his psychic powers, was through that, And I don't think
35:33
Speaker 2: there's any doubt about it, and it's quite brilliant.
35:37
Speaker 3: King. Here's where it gets really interesting.
35:40
Speaker 2: King made his own version of The Shining in nineteen
35:43
Speaker 2: ninety seven or ninety eight.
35:44
Speaker 3: Something like that, and it was terrible and it failed.
35:49
Speaker 2: And so then I was thinking, well, what if King
35:53
Speaker 2: started looking at his version of The Shining and Stanley
35:58
Speaker 2: Kubrick's version of The Shining and try to figure out
36:00
Speaker 2: why Kubrick's version worked and why.
36:03
Speaker 3: His version didn't work, and.
36:07
Speaker 2: Realized that The Shining was about mind control and that
36:13
Speaker 2: Cubric's revelation about Danny getting psychic abilities from being abused
36:18
Speaker 2: by his father made a lot of sense. Suddenly the King,
36:23
Speaker 2: and then he wrote The Institute in twenty nineteen kind
36:27
Speaker 2: of with enough clues pointing towards the shining kubricks shining,
36:33
Speaker 2: not his shining in the Institute, that you have to
36:37
Speaker 2: begin to wonder if he's not paying an homage back
36:41
Speaker 2: to Stanley for Stanley having enough wisdom to slip all
36:46
Speaker 2: that in to his mediocre ghost story.
36:50
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that makes one sent because the Institute
36:54
Speaker 1: is filmed like the Shining, like the whole way scenes
36:58
Speaker 1: of the and there's so many references to the Shining
37:01
Speaker 1: in there. The I mean, the logo of it is
37:03
Speaker 1: the well C and I and the freaking Monolith from
37:05
Speaker 1: two thousand and one A Space Odyssey.
37:08
Speaker 2: And the good cop is named Wendy, same as Wendy
37:12
Speaker 2: in the movie. And there's two twins, two twin girls,
37:16
Speaker 2: it's like in the movie. And it's just odd, and
37:24
Speaker 2: things in there are in there like only you and
37:27
Speaker 2: I would have gotten. So that was really strange anyway.
37:30
Speaker 3: You know. So, I don't know.
37:31
Speaker 2: I'm sure that King saw our movie A Clockwork Shining,
37:34
Speaker 2: because I know he's familiar with all of my Cubrick
37:38
Speaker 2: work and has told people between us that that he
37:43
Speaker 2: thinks I'm right about the moon Landing, and I think
37:45
Speaker 2: he thinks for right about A Clockwork Shining after watching
37:48
Speaker 2: the Institute.
37:49
Speaker 3: So I think we're seeing.
37:51
Speaker 2: Like this kind of feedback mechanism where Kubrick's work is
37:57
Speaker 2: having a feedback mechanism on King and then that having
38:00
Speaker 2: a feedback mechanism on us. And it's really amazing. And
38:07
Speaker 2: by the way, King admitted that he got into riding
38:11
Speaker 2: horror after he read the exercise. I mean, it's not
38:16
Speaker 2: just it's not just that these guy things are all related.
38:20
Speaker 2: You know, it's even more related than that.
38:24
Speaker 1: And it is even more related because I got something
38:29
Speaker 1: that's shocking. Okay, Remember how I was telling you that
38:35
Speaker 1: the Ronald dough his real name was never disclosed. They
38:41
Speaker 1: kept his name a secret this entire time, from the
38:44
Speaker 1: time that he was born I believe was nineteen thirty five.
38:48
Speaker 1: They kept his real name and secret up until his
38:51
Speaker 1: death in twenty twenty. Okay, his name, his real name
38:56
Speaker 1: was Ronald Edwin Buckler. Ok Ronald Reagan, Ronald Edwin so
39:05
Speaker 1: ed wn And after doing a little bit of digging, okay,
39:12
Speaker 1: I think that this is going to blow your mind,
39:14
Speaker 1: because it blew my mind last night at like three
39:16
Speaker 1: am when I was looking into all this stuff. Are
39:19
Speaker 1: you ready? Boy whose story was inspired by the extorcism,
39:25
Speaker 1: grew up to play a key role in the first moonlanding,
39:35
Speaker 1: what protecting his identity for decades using pseudonyms, The boy
39:40
Speaker 1: went on to become a NASA engineer, contributing to the
39:43
Speaker 1: Apollo eleven moon landing. Okay, Huckler was a crucial resource
39:52
Speaker 1: who contributed significantly to the Apollo missions during the nineteen sixties.
39:57
Speaker 1: Without his patent did tech anology that made Space Shuttle
40:01
Speaker 1: panels resistant to extreme heat, our glorious astronauts wouldn't have
40:06
Speaker 1: stepped foot on the Moon in nineteen sixty nine.
40:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well that tells me definitely that he was
40:16
Speaker 2: faking his exorcism.
40:20
Speaker 1: Well, I think that I'm Holy shipd.
40:24
Speaker 2: That is just weird. And what's his name again?
40:28
Speaker 1: His name is Robert Edwin Huckler h U K E
40:33
Speaker 1: L E R.
40:35
Speaker 2: Interesting. And he went on to become a NASA engineer.
40:40
Speaker 1: The nasty engineer.
40:42
Speaker 2: And and don't forget the Exorcist. There's a at the party.
40:48
Speaker 2: The astronaut is there and Reagan comes down the steps
40:52
Speaker 2: at peas on the floor and says, you're going to
40:54
Speaker 2: die up there?
40:55
Speaker 3: Remember, yep, yep.
41:00
Speaker 2: So the movie that's based on the real life incident
41:06
Speaker 2: features an Apollo astronaut and the incident that it's based on.
41:12
Speaker 2: The guy later works for Apollo.
41:16
Speaker 1: Yep was a NASA engineer.
41:20
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, those kind of things that really bother me.
41:25
Speaker 1: That blew my mind last night. I wanted to call
41:28
Speaker 1: you at like four in the morning and tell you
41:30
Speaker 1: about this, but I thought I would just save it
41:32
Speaker 1: for the show. But I was like, oh my god,
41:34
Speaker 1: I got to tell somebody because I was just like
41:36
Speaker 1: trying to figure this out because I was like, there's
41:38
Speaker 1: no way they kept this kid's identity a secret for
41:41
Speaker 1: all the way because he had to be dead by
41:43
Speaker 1: now you know that event happened in nineteen forty nine,
41:45
Speaker 1: he had to have been dead, So it's like someone
41:47
Speaker 1: had to figure out this person's real identity because I
41:52
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out if it wasn't like the
41:53
Speaker 1: whole thing was a huge hoax, like if it was
41:56
Speaker 1: just like a made up story. And I was like,
41:59
Speaker 1: do we know the real name of this kid that
42:02
Speaker 1: the extressist is based on? And it's Ronald Edwin Buckler, Hey.
42:07
Speaker 3: Robert Robert or Ronald Ronald.
42:11
Speaker 2: Well, well, you do realize that the character in the
42:16
Speaker 2: book's name is Reagan, right, Yes, Ronald Reagan was not
42:21
Speaker 2: a famous person outside of being an actor in nineteen
42:25
Speaker 2: seventy or nineteen seventy one seventy two. He hadn't become
42:29
Speaker 2: a governor or anything. And how would Peter Blady wouldn't
42:33
Speaker 2: know the kid's real name anyway, would he?
42:37
Speaker 1: It depends. I think that the information was is that
42:42
Speaker 1: the I'm pretty sure that the priests knew his real
42:46
Speaker 1: name because he hadn't know his real name, but how
42:48
Speaker 1: they got a lot of the how he got a
42:50
Speaker 1: lot of the information to write the book. The actressist
42:52
Speaker 1: was like a priest's diary. So it could have been
42:57
Speaker 1: that one of the Jesuit priests didn't even write his
43:00
Speaker 1: real name down in in the diary, or they could
43:04
Speaker 1: have done a fake suiting in name and called him
43:06
Speaker 1: Robbie or Ronald Ronald Doe. I mean, dough is synonymous
43:11
Speaker 1: with someone that you're trying to cover up their real name,
43:13
Speaker 1: so you just you know, she's a dough, he's a Doe,
43:15
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Yeah, I thought that was incredible. I
43:20
Speaker 1: was like, oh my.
43:20
Speaker 2: God, I really kind of I wonder if NASA knew it.
43:27
Speaker 3: Do you think they did No, they probably didn't.
43:31
Speaker 1: Well, he they had to. I don't know. They had
43:34
Speaker 1: to have known. They have to do extensive background checks
43:37
Speaker 1: on people that work in those kinds. They had to
43:39
Speaker 1: have known it. They had to have known.
43:43
Speaker 3: Huh.
43:44
Speaker 1: And the guy that where where he grew up to
43:46
Speaker 1: where he grew up was a cottage city, which is
43:49
Speaker 1: only sixteen miles from Fort Meade, Maryland, which is the
43:54
Speaker 1: army base that is the most prevalent army base in
43:57
Speaker 1: the United States. Maryland is also where all the psychic
44:02
Speaker 1: spy stuff went down, and it is also where the
44:04
Speaker 1: NSA headquarters.
44:05
Speaker 2: Is and Langley is right there. And so wait a minute,
44:10
Speaker 2: then that was in nineteen forty nine, so CIA had
44:13
Speaker 2: been in operation for two years at that point.
44:18
Speaker 1: They had to know that that was him.
44:20
Speaker 3: He was some kind of early ok ultra experiment.
44:26
Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been, but I'm just still
44:29
Speaker 1: shocked that the so he was born in nineteen forty nine,
44:33
Speaker 1: he was supposedly possessed by demons in nineteen forty nine,
44:37
Speaker 1: he would have been fourteen. That would have made him
44:38
Speaker 1: fourteen years old whenever he was possessed possessed by these demons.
44:44
Speaker 1: And then twenty years later, in nineteen sixty nine, he's
44:46
Speaker 1: working on the Apollo eleven mission as an engineer. That
44:50
Speaker 1: would have made him what twenty thirty thirty two fourteen
44:55
Speaker 1: plus thirty four. He would have been thirty four years
44:58
Speaker 1: old working on the Apollo Love mission. And then he retired,
45:02
Speaker 1: and he retired in two thousand and one.
45:21
Speaker 2: That is very, very odd. I don't know what to
45:25
Speaker 2: say about that. Cosmic coincidence proceeded way over time. But yeah,
45:30
Speaker 2: So another weird thing about all this is that when
45:36
Speaker 2: I first met my wife, she was living in a
45:39
Speaker 2: town called Nayak, New York, just north of New York City,
45:43
Speaker 2: and so I go to New York. I was living
45:47
Speaker 2: in the West Coast. I go to New York, you know,
45:50
Speaker 2: every couple of months this year, and we're just girlfriend
45:53
Speaker 2: boyfriend at the time. And then one time she goes, oh,
45:56
Speaker 2: we really have a lot of fun tonight. I oh, yeah,
45:59
Speaker 2: what do we do? She said, Oh, I'm not going
46:01
Speaker 2: to tell you. It's a surprise. So I was Okay,
46:04
Speaker 2: We get in her car. We drive to this really
46:06
Speaker 2: fancy neighborhood in Nayak, New York, big mansions and everything,
46:11
Speaker 2: and I'm like, WHOA, I got pulled up to this big,
46:15
Speaker 2: huge mansion and we get out and we walk in,
46:18
Speaker 2: walk up to the front door, knock on the front door,
46:20
Speaker 2: and Ellen burst it answers and we're at her house.
46:25
Speaker 2: And Exorcist was her breakout film. By the way, she
46:28
Speaker 2: became one of the greatest actresses of her generation, but
46:31
Speaker 2: her breakout film was The Exorcist. And we had dinner
46:35
Speaker 2: with Ellen Bursley with good friends with my wife, and
46:39
Speaker 2: I actually got her to talk about the Exorcists, because,
46:42
Speaker 2: you know, to tell me about it. And she told
46:45
Speaker 2: me that in that scene in the bedroom where Reagan
46:49
Speaker 2: does all her stuff, throws all the record albums around
46:51
Speaker 2: and everything, she said that Friedkin had a rope on
46:55
Speaker 2: a polly attached to her back and the technician was
46:59
Speaker 2: supposed to give a little hug and jerk her back
47:01
Speaker 2: onto the ground, but freaking, being the mad man that
47:06
Speaker 2: he is, told the the guy pulling the rope to
47:10
Speaker 2: get another guy. I have two guys pull the rope
47:12
Speaker 2: as hard as you can. And so they pulled the
47:14
Speaker 2: rope as hard as they could and injure her back
47:17
Speaker 2: for the rest of her life. So anyway, it's just
47:21
Speaker 2: really interesting. I don't beat many celebrities, and I just
47:24
Speaker 2: happened to know the star The Exorcist, who was.
47:27
Speaker 3: A nobody too. By the way, at the time, No,
47:29
Speaker 3: there's no stars in that movie.
47:31
Speaker 2: Everybody was a nobody, and they were really surprised when
47:36
Speaker 2: the film made almost two hundred million dollars, which was
47:38
Speaker 2: unheard of in the early seventies.
47:42
Speaker 1: So the little boy that the movie that The Exorcist
47:46
Speaker 1: is based on grew up to be a Nazi engineer
47:49
Speaker 1: that helped Apollo eleven spacecraft get to the moon. So
47:53
Speaker 1: Qbriic Stanley Kubrick was supposed to direct the movie. Not
47:58
Speaker 1: the extor system is based on in real life by
48:02
Speaker 1: a boy who was possessed in nineteen forty nine by demons,
48:06
Speaker 1: which we've discussed was more than likely mental illness or
48:11
Speaker 1: sexual abuse, who grew up to be a NASA engineer
48:15
Speaker 1: for the Apollo eleven space shuttle. If you break turned
48:18
Speaker 1: it down, and then made a movie about abuse, possession,
48:24
Speaker 1: psychic abilities, mind controled assassins, government cover them up, and
48:29
Speaker 1: the faking of the moonlanding.
48:32
Speaker 3: That is I don't even know what just happen. That is.
48:40
Speaker 2: It would always say that's proof that we're living in
48:41
Speaker 2: a simulation because I have no idea how that so
48:47
Speaker 2: many coincidences, and then he retires in two thousand and one, right, yeah,
48:54
Speaker 2: so yeah, so that's pretty wild. The Exercist is much
48:59
Speaker 2: more we think it is. And you know, I like
49:04
Speaker 2: to get into maybe later other shows, a couple of
49:08
Speaker 2: other films that kind of go into some of this
49:11
Speaker 2: this kind of dark stuff that a lot of people
49:14
Speaker 2: don't see in the film, but what you open it
49:17
Speaker 2: up and look at it, you see it. And I
49:20
Speaker 2: don't think anyone's ever connected The Exorcist to you know,
49:24
Speaker 2: sexual abuse and child abuse and acquiring psychokinetic and telepathic
49:31
Speaker 2: abilities as a result of that abuse, which you now
49:34
Speaker 2: know is the truth.
49:39
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. When I was looking in all this stuff last night,
49:42
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, Jay's going to flip out.
49:45
Speaker 1: He's not going to know what to say about this
49:47
Speaker 1: because I still don't even really know what to say
49:49
Speaker 1: about it because it's so unbelievable. It's almost like a
49:52
Speaker 1: movie in and of itself. And you know, also with
49:56
Speaker 1: the sexual abuse stuff, I mean that was what was
49:58
Speaker 1: going on in Lolita behind the scenes, so Cubric had
50:01
Speaker 1: to have been privy to what was happening there. So
50:04
Speaker 1: then you.
50:07
Speaker 3: They had to he had to have known all of this.
50:10
Speaker 2: And you know, frankly, the the ending scene in Eyes
50:14
Speaker 2: White Shot is Tom and Nicole handing off their daughter
50:18
Speaker 2: to the two creeps that were at the party earlier, right,
50:22
Speaker 2: And that's the very last scene in the movie, is
50:25
Speaker 2: her heading down that hallway at Macy's with those two
50:28
Speaker 2: guys that are in the movie all through the movie,
50:30
Speaker 2: the same two guys, right, And it's clear that you know,
50:34
Speaker 2: this is this is the reason why Kubrick probably didn't
50:41
Speaker 2: last too much longer after he showed the film to
50:43
Speaker 2: the Warner Brothers executives in nineteen ninety nine.
50:47
Speaker 3: And you know, so I don't know. It's like.
50:53
Speaker 1: There's some revelations there too. You send me a video
50:57
Speaker 1: the other day. Then Cee I a aging basically revealed
51:03
Speaker 1: that he's the one that gave over Stanley Kubrick to the.
51:07
Speaker 3: Secret Society. Yep.
51:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, And because Kubrick broke the rules, and I'm the
51:14
Speaker 2: guy that broke out the story, by the way, or
51:17
Speaker 2: the original story of people in the lobby of the
51:21
Speaker 2: theater carrying a huge argument going on after the movie
51:24
Speaker 2: played to the Warner Brothers executive. I was told that
51:28
Speaker 2: by an assistant to Stanley Kubrick's. He was an American
51:30
Speaker 2: and I only talked to him on the phone, but
51:32
Speaker 2: he was there. He said he heard it. He heard
51:34
Speaker 2: Stanley yelling out, this is my movie and you're not
51:37
Speaker 2: going to cut it, and you know, yeah, we are
51:40
Speaker 2: going to cut it, and we're going to cut you too.
51:45
Speaker 1: Yeah that, I mean, who would who would have seen
51:49
Speaker 1: the original cut of the film. It would have been
51:52
Speaker 1: the actors and the executives right there would have been
51:55
Speaker 1: the only people that would have seen the original cut.
51:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.
51:59
Speaker 2: And there's there's just there's continuitiors that are unexplained. Only
52:03
Speaker 2: filmmakers we'll see them. So they're kind of hard to explain.
52:06
Speaker 2: Even what a continuity air is. It's difficult to explain.
52:10
Speaker 2: But Kubrick was not we know from the shining and
52:14
Speaker 2: the clockwork shining. He planned his continuity airs. They were
52:17
Speaker 2: a part of his storytelling. So he would take a chair,
52:20
Speaker 2: move it and put it back and stuff like that.
52:23
Speaker 2: Oh it was a continuityor no.
52:24
Speaker 3: No it wasn't. He's doing He's messing with your head.
52:28
Speaker 2: But the continuityars in eyes white shot don't make any sense.
52:32
Speaker 2: They don't tell you anything. It just feels like there's
52:35
Speaker 2: something left out right that they've had to put these
52:41
Speaker 2: two pieces of film together with a giant chunk in
52:44
Speaker 2: the middle, all gone right, and you can't figure it out.
52:46
Speaker 3: What's going on?
52:47
Speaker 2: Why is this here? Why is there a gap year?
52:50
Speaker 2: Why isn't anything being explained? And it's because they cut
52:53
Speaker 2: the living crap out of it. There's no doubt about
52:56
Speaker 2: they admitted it that they did.
53:00
Speaker 1: So the only people would be like Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman.
53:08
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I just watched the last episode of
53:12
Speaker 2: Mission Impossible last night, and let's tell you what. After
53:17
Speaker 2: Eyes White Shut, Tom Cruise turned into a conspiracy theorist.
53:20
Speaker 2: The entire Mission Impossible series is one long conspiracy. I
53:25
Speaker 2: mean by these driving forces that are secretive and you
53:29
Speaker 2: don't know who they are and you find out the
53:31
Speaker 2: end it's all an AI called the Entity, which is
53:35
Speaker 2: very similar to how by the way, And so I
53:40
Speaker 2: think that working with Stanley made Tom a much more
53:44
Speaker 2: interesting person.
53:47
Speaker 1: I think so too. All the things that I've heard
53:49
Speaker 1: about Tom Cruise, he seems like a down the earth guy.
53:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he's probably hated by a lot of
53:59
Speaker 2: guys because he's so handsome, and so he probably gets
54:02
Speaker 2: a lot of jealousy. But I know people that know him,
54:04
Speaker 2: they say he's a great guy. He was certainly patient
54:09
Speaker 2: with Stanley.
54:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, they filmed as Why Chuck for that went over
54:15
Speaker 1: only two years.
54:18
Speaker 3: Over a year. I know that.
54:19
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine, you know, shooting a movie that long.
54:22
Speaker 2: I would go crazy, go out of my mind.
54:25
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
54:26
Speaker 2: But Satta Hubrick was great and William Freakin is a
54:31
Speaker 2: great director. William Peter Bladdie also did another film, by
54:35
Speaker 2: the Way that he wrote and directed after the Extrecist,
54:38
Speaker 2: called The Ninth Configuration. And what's interesting about it is
54:43
Speaker 2: it's a mental military mental institutions where it takes place
54:48
Speaker 2: supposedly in Oregon, and the whole point of this mental
54:56
Speaker 2: institution is to find out if the people acting like
55:00
Speaker 2: they're crazy that are in the institution are faking it
55:04
Speaker 2: or are they really crazy.
55:06
Speaker 3: That's the whole point of the whole movie.
55:08
Speaker 2: And that's the whole and they find out that most
55:10
Speaker 2: of them are faking it, that there aren't really crazy.
55:13
Speaker 3: The just faking it.
55:14
Speaker 2: So I think it's interesting that Glad he would make
55:17
Speaker 2: a film about that. And then and he goes to
55:20
Speaker 2: such extensive links in The Exorcist to try to explain
55:25
Speaker 2: with psychological methods how she's doing what she's doing. So
55:30
Speaker 2: even he doesn't seem quite sure about if she really
55:34
Speaker 2: possessed or not, is what I'm saying. And priest, Yeah,
55:41
Speaker 2: and if you had telepathic abilities because of abuse, and
55:44
Speaker 2: a Catholic priest too, you don't even know what that is.
55:47
Speaker 2: You're twelve years old, comes to visit you and talk
55:50
Speaker 2: to you. You read his mind and realize he thinks
55:53
Speaker 2: to everybody's full of demons.
55:55
Speaker 3: And all of this.
55:57
Speaker 2: Well, then maybe you might start acting like that, I mean,
56:01
Speaker 2: just to get scared of him, because you don't have
56:02
Speaker 2: that dude in your room anyway.
56:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like the demonic possession and the actressism
56:10
Speaker 1: is a way to cover up real abuse. And that
56:14
Speaker 1: seems like is the undertone of what the Actressist is
56:17
Speaker 1: really about. And that's what William freaking is trying to
56:20
Speaker 1: expose within the Actressist. Is that cover up? Is that
56:26
Speaker 1: the sexual abuse cover up by the church?
56:30
Speaker 2: Yep, that's exactly what I think. And he put up
56:33
Speaker 2: with the last third of the movie and the Exorcism,
56:35
Speaker 2: because and he made it look as torturous on that
56:38
Speaker 2: poor girl as he could, didn't He he was showing
56:41
Speaker 2: them abusing that poor little girl. And and and Peter
56:46
Speaker 2: Blade's writing up the script and tell her we got
56:48
Speaker 2: to do this. They do this, and he's like, oh, yeah,
56:50
Speaker 2: we're going to show how you guys really treat people.
56:53
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I think is going on here.
56:56
Speaker 1: Well, then when you look at the institute as well,
56:58
Speaker 1: it's essentially the same thing too. They kidnapped these kids,
57:02
Speaker 1: they torture them, they psychologically torture them, They give them drugs,
57:06
Speaker 1: they shoot them up with some sort of substance in
57:09
Speaker 1: the arm, like a green liquid with a gun, and
57:11
Speaker 1: then they put these like a screens around them and
57:16
Speaker 1: show them images to essentially break their psyche and activate
57:20
Speaker 1: their psychic abilities.
57:22
Speaker 3: Yep.
57:23
Speaker 2: Using all the stuff that Kubrick talked about in Clockwork
57:26
Speaker 2: Orangine The Shining, only now it's in a Stephen King
57:29
Speaker 2: mini series.
57:31
Speaker 3: It's like, what with all the.
57:35
Speaker 2: References to the Shining, So clearly either Stephen or the
57:38
Speaker 2: guy that wrote and directed the movie or the series
57:42
Speaker 2: is understands the relationship between the Institute and what Kubrick
57:47
Speaker 2: is saying in the Shining and which we prove it
57:50
Speaker 2: in a clockwork Shining.
57:53
Speaker 1: I think we do. I think we were spot on,
57:56
Speaker 1: and Stephen King had to recognize that and done and
58:02
Speaker 1: wrote this book. I mean, you also have Room Too
58:05
Speaker 1: fourteen oh eight as well, and that was like a
58:10
Speaker 1: quase weird mk ultra book and movie, which I also
58:16
Speaker 1: think was in relation to Stephen King's portrayal of the
58:21
Speaker 1: Shining as well. So you know, Stephen King was like, Okay,
58:25
Speaker 1: well you you took my movie and kind of did
58:28
Speaker 1: whatever you wanted to do with it. Then I'll make
58:31
Speaker 1: an entire movie that surrounds one hotel room like Room
58:38
Speaker 1: two thirty seven, not the documentary, but like the actual
58:41
Speaker 1: room within the Shiny two three seven, and I'll make
58:46
Speaker 1: an entire novel about a guy inside of one singular
58:50
Speaker 1: hotel room.
58:53
Speaker 3: Very very interesting.
58:55
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, so anyway, everyone up watch The Exorcist.
59:01
Speaker 2: Watch it with new eyes.
59:03
Speaker 3: The devil may not be there.
59:06
Speaker 1: I don't think that he is. Jay, thanks so much
59:09
Speaker 1: for coming on, really appreciate it. Could you let people
59:12
Speaker 1: know where they can find you online and where they
59:15
Speaker 1: can watch both of our documentaries.
59:18
Speaker 2: They're both up on Amazon to b Apple, just type
59:22
Speaker 2: in JKX or a clockwork Shining. They've hugely influential films.
59:29
Speaker 2: I'm even surprised by it. And yeah, I have a
59:32
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59:36
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59:38
Speaker 2: my movies and documentaries are up on either Amazon or Gaya.
59:44
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