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The Late Debate | 9 January · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Gentlemen, Welcome to the Lake to Plase.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the program. I'm Frey Leitch, joined by Jamie
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  Speaker 2: Rodgers and kel Richards. Coming up tonight, new polling shows
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  Speaker 2: one Nation has surged to record levels and is now
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  Speaker 2: tied with the Coalition on primary votes. What does this
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  Speaker 2: mean for Susan Lee's leadership. Plus a store claiming to
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  Speaker 2: be located in Bondai says its co founder was shot
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  Speaker 2: during the Bondai massacre and is using the tragedy to
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  Speaker 2: sell merchandise. The only problem is this store was set
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  Speaker 2: up nine days after the tragedy and is entirely fake.
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  Speaker 3: How low will people go?
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  Speaker 2: And a US father has gone viral on x after
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  Speaker 2: admitting he hates spending time with his young kids. Now
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  Speaker 2: he's asking is he a monster or just expressing what
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  Speaker 2: many fathers seecret feel. We'll have our say, but first,
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  Speaker 2: Alman Easy went on a media blitz this morning trying
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  Speaker 2: to gaslight Australia into thinking he actually really wanted a
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  Speaker 2: royal commission. And now he's made the extraordinary claim that
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  Speaker 2: he called a royal commission in record time. So we've
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  Speaker 2: had Jewish leaders on Summrise just this morning.
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  Speaker 4: Saying that this delay has forced families.
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  Speaker 2: To emerge from their grief to actually become advocates for
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  Speaker 2: this Royal commission.
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  Speaker 1: Now, is that something you regret.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I've sat down in the homes of families who
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  Speaker 5: are grieving.
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  Speaker 1: I've listened to them.
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  Speaker 5: We've also made sure that we've got this right in
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  Speaker 5: an orderly way. This is actually a record time for
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  Speaker 5: the calling of a Royal commission.
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  Speaker 3: A record time.
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  Speaker 2: It's taken you twenty five days, multiple excuses, many open
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  Speaker 2: letters of top lawyers, business people, sports people, aren'ts people
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  Speaker 2: all throwing their weight behind this Royal commission. For Almo
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  Speaker 2: to get up their cow and claim not only has
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  Speaker 2: he shown incredible leadership, but he's also done it in
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  Speaker 2: record time.
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  Speaker 6: Give me a break, well, Jacinda Radun, after the mass
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  Speaker 6: shooting at the mosque in New Zealand, got her Royal
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  Speaker 6: commission up in ten days. Now, look at the numbers.
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  Speaker 6: Ten smaller than twenty five. Can you work that out, Albow?
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  Speaker 6: Then Chris Min's got his Royal commission announced in six days,
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  Speaker 6: six a smaller number than twenty five. I don't think
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  Speaker 6: ALBERNIZI can count. But he's forgetting all excuses.
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  Speaker 1: He gas. We can't have a royal commission. It will
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  Speaker 1: take too long. We can't have a royal commission.
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  Speaker 6: It will hurt the Jewish people too much because all
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  Speaker 6: these nasty things will be said about them. Every excuse
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  Speaker 6: that he gave for not for stonewalling and refusing and
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  Speaker 6: digging his hea in.
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  Speaker 1: He now thinks we'll just forget. He's just thinking. He
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  Speaker 1: was just.
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  Speaker 6: Reflecting all those negative things he said he didn't mean,
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  Speaker 6: and we've still got to be concerned that it's going
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  Speaker 6: If he's taken this long, he's been careful to set
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  Speaker 6: it up in a way that will cover himself. And
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  Speaker 6: I was looking at the terms of reference. There are
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  Speaker 6: four things any Semitism, recommendations for the law enforcement people,
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  Speaker 6: the Bondi event, and strengthening social cohesion. You know what's missing.
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  Speaker 6: Did officials what they did or what they didn't do?
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  Speaker 6: That's not in the terms of reference. So do you
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  Speaker 6: think mister Alberizy wasn't taking twenty five days to reflect,
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  Speaker 6: but to very carefully craft this so it wouldn't get
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  Speaker 6: to him.
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  Speaker 1: I think so.
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  Speaker 4: I actually wondered how he was going to be able
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  Speaker 4: to spin his way out of the situation that he
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  Speaker 4: had gotten himself into, which is why I thought he
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  Speaker 4: started to lean into the New South Wales Commission to say, well,
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  Speaker 4: we'll end up doing a joint one and that would
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  Speaker 4: be that the soft way of him being able to
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  Speaker 4: backflip without it looking like he has done a backflip,
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  Speaker 4: and whilst he can stand up there and say that
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  Speaker 4: it was his team were doing it very taking their
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  Speaker 4: time and that they were trying to do everything right.
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  Speaker 4: His wording right from the start he was adamant that
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  Speaker 4: a Royal commission was never going to happen. If they
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  Speaker 4: were planning on doing it in the background, his wording
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  Speaker 4: would have been completely different. He would have been saying
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  Speaker 4: things like, oh, we are investigating it, we are looking
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  Speaker 4: into it. But he was absolutely against having one. So
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  Speaker 4: he has been coming to this kicking, he's been dragging
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  Speaker 4: his feet.
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  Speaker 3: But look he has called one.
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  Speaker 4: So we do need to actually say great, let's now
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  Speaker 4: look ahead and ensure that Virginia Bell is given all
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  Speaker 4: of the tools and the ability to do a very
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  Speaker 4: good and thorough job and provide answers that the community
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  Speaker 4: and all of the Australian public want. And I think
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  Speaker 4: that also is going to be really important to make
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  Speaker 4: sure that she has got the right staffing around her,
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  Speaker 4: because a really key element that she doesn't have is
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  Speaker 4: the national security experience, which is one thing that I
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  Speaker 4: really want to see within that Royal Commission, just to
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  Speaker 4: make sure that we don't have these issues ever again again,
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  Speaker 4: and also to some of those other things, the Islamic
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  Speaker 4: extremism and anti Semitism. So as long as we get
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  Speaker 4: answers in that, I think that this is really good
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  Speaker 4: that we finally at least have the Royal Commission.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean this point around, I hear what you're saying, Jamie,
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  Speaker 2: and that's the key thing. If Albanezy ever was genuinely
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  Speaker 2: considering a Royal Commission, the language he was using for
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  Speaker 2: the last three weeks would have been totally different. He
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  Speaker 2: would have been noncommittal. He would have said, look, we're
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  Speaker 2: investigating all our options. That is the opposite of what
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  Speaker 2: he did. He offered the Richardson Review as his silver bullet.
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  Speaker 2: He said that was superior to a Royal Commission. He
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  Speaker 2: made up so called experts who actually don't support the
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  Speaker 2: Royal Commission.
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  Speaker 3: Where are those experts now?
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  Speaker 2: He said a Royal Commission would re expose the Jewish
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  Speaker 2: community to anti Semitism and damage our social cohesion.
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  Speaker 3: He was really scraping.
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  Speaker 2: The bottom of the barrel when it came to uses
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  Speaker 2: around why he didn't want.
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  Speaker 3: To call this thing.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is just a national gas lining strategy
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  Speaker 2: at this point because he knows he doesn't have a
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  Speaker 2: leg to stand on.
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  Speaker 6: I think the damage has been done and I think
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  Speaker 6: even this late calling a Royal commission is not going
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  Speaker 6: to repair the damage. He's lost the good will of
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  Speaker 6: the Australian people and this is not going to fix it.
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  Speaker 6: From the beginning, his focus has been on Anthony Albanesi.
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  Speaker 6: I can remember the first news conference he gave and
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  Speaker 6: it was clear the tone of it was, it's not me,
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  Speaker 6: not my fault, it's not the fault of my government.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't do anything wrong. We did everything we could.
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  Speaker 6: So he was defensive and protective and focused entirely on
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  Speaker 6: himself and his government from day one. That yesterday when
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  Speaker 6: he announced the Royal Commission. That speech that he gave
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  Speaker 6: at that news conference was well, I've done this, I've
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  Speaker 6: spoken to these people, I've done that. It was all
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  Speaker 6: this total focus on himself and I think Australians have
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  Speaker 6: now seen the real Anthony Albanesi. He's not someone who
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  Speaker 6: cares about anyone. He's someone who was the factional leader
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  Speaker 6: of the Socialist Left all of his life. He's just
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  Speaker 6: a political leader and he just plays the game and
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  Speaker 6: he just looks after himself. I don't think he's won
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  Speaker 6: back our good. There was a tendency of Australians to think, well,
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  Speaker 6: he doesn't look terribly impressive or capable, but he looks
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  Speaker 6: like a nice enough bloke to ever be with. He's
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  Speaker 6: lost that, he lost that completely and I don't think
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  Speaker 6: he's got it back.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I really hope though, that people remember this and remember
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  Speaker 4: this feeling, and remember what we have had said to
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  Speaker 4: us for these past twenty five days and also the
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  Speaker 4: past two and a half years of what we've seen
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  Speaker 4: him allow this country to become. But we need to
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  Speaker 4: remember this when we go to the polls, and I
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  Speaker 4: do put that onus also into the coalition to ensure
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  Speaker 4: that they are out there promoting, not promoted, but reminding
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  Speaker 4: people of what we went through during this period. But
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  Speaker 4: to your point, Kel, that's what I was really concerned
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  Speaker 4: about with the Richardson review, in that he was almost
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  Speaker 4: ready to push the buck over to the ASO and
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  Speaker 4: rather than actually have any onus on his government, there
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  Speaker 4: was never any mention about let's have a look and
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  Speaker 4: see what we could have done differently, And even now
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  Speaker 4: he's still never saying And I do think Australians would
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  Speaker 4: appreciate the fact if he did stand up there and say, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we also need to look into what government did or
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  Speaker 4: didn't do and how we could do better next time,
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  Speaker 4: which is why I think Chris Means has been a
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  Speaker 4: real standout during this time.
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  Speaker 6: Well, he never says sorry properly. No, he says I
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  Speaker 6: feel sorry for the Jewish people and for the families
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  Speaker 6: that have suffered. But that's sympathy, that's not regret on
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  Speaker 6: his part. He never says I'm sorry for what I
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  Speaker 6: did or would I fail to do. And that's a
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  Speaker 6: big deal.
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  Speaker 2: And the lack of conviction is just what speaks volumes
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  Speaker 2: whenever you listen to Albo speak. And I think you're right, Jamie,
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  Speaker 2: and I hope people remember this when they go to vote.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen some new polling come out. This is the
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  Speaker 2: first polling we've seen in the new year in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty six. It was conducted by Demos for the magazine Capital,
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  Speaker 2: and it shows some truly extraordinary numbers. One Nation on
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  Speaker 2: a national level is now tied in its primary vote
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  Speaker 2: with the coalition at twenty three percent. Labor has dropped
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  Speaker 2: four points since October and is down to twenty nine percent.
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  Speaker 2: That puts the two party preferred currently at fifty two
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  Speaker 2: percent to Labor and forty eight percent to the coalition.
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  Speaker 2: But if one Nation were to take over the LNP,
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  Speaker 2: it would actually be a fifty to fifty one nation
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  Speaker 2: Labor two party preferred because more coalition preferences flow to
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  Speaker 2: one nation than one nation flows to the coalition. So
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  Speaker 2: we are truly entering extraordinary political territory where I think
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  Speaker 2: we can say conclusively for the first time, Pauline Hanson's
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  Speaker 2: One Nation looks like a genuine threat and competitor to
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  Speaker 2: the coalition. Two questions now, will this momentum be sustained
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  Speaker 2: until the election? And will the coalition look at these
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  Speaker 2: numbers and say Susan Lee has got to go. Clearly
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  Speaker 2: she is not cutting through.
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  Speaker 6: Will the momentum be maintained? It's really dangerous to make predictions,
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  Speaker 6: especially about the future. So and my crystal ball is
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  Speaker 6: in the workshop of the moment being repairs. I don't
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  Speaker 6: know if they go to actually maintain that, it might happen,
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  Speaker 6: particularly if Barnaby is on the hustings. He is a
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  Speaker 6: great retail politician, so he's going to help a lot.
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  Speaker 6: Could do.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know.
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  Speaker 6: As far as Susan Lee is concerned. I think there's
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  Speaker 6: clearly a problem. Look every time I say this, our
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  Speaker 6: mutual friend Holly Hughes gets really upset with me because
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  Speaker 6: Susan Lee is a personal friend. But Susan Lee just
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  Speaker 6: doesn't have it. It's not because she's a woman. Julia
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  Speaker 6: Gillard spoke with authority in a way that Susan Lee
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  Speaker 6: can't speak with authority, and we just the Liberals need
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  Speaker 6: to rethink what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how they do it.
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  Speaker 6: Part of the problem is Alban is here so much
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  Speaker 6: on the back foot, and he's so damaged at the moment.
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  Speaker 6: It would be a real pity to switch the focus
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  Speaker 6: back to the Liberals.
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  Speaker 1: We don't want that to happen.
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  Speaker 6: But at the same time, there needs to be a
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  Speaker 6: plan which is a winning plan.
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  Speaker 2: And clearly people are hungry for change. That's the other
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  Speaker 2: thing that's obvious in this polling. Labor is not doing well.
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  Speaker 2: They want change, they want leadership, they want a vision.
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  Speaker 2: They're not getting that from the Coalition right now. So
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  Speaker 2: they're going to one nation.
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  Speaker 3: One in five.
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  Speaker 2: Liberal voters who voted Liberal at the May twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: five election, according to this poll, have a band in
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  Speaker 2: the Liberal pinning gone to one nation. We are entering
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  Speaker 2: death spiral territory where you end up like the Tories
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  Speaker 2: in the UK.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're certainly heading towards the direction like what we
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  Speaker 4: see in Europe. And when you do see poll numbers
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  Speaker 4: like this where thirty one percent of Coalition voters have
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  Speaker 4: gone towards one nation, it was actually the women voter
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  Speaker 4: is that I flagged quite a lot. Twenty three percent
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  Speaker 4: are likely to put one Nation over the top of
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  Speaker 4: the coalition, which I guess isn't a huge surprise, but
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  Speaker 4: when you see it in the numbers, it is quite
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  Speaker 4: confronting in that sense. One of the issues that the
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  Speaker 4: Liberals really face when you see disgruntled voters, which is
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  Speaker 4: very much what this is, is that if they're unhappy
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  Speaker 4: with both major parties, with the Coalition and Labor, so
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  Speaker 4: they're looking for somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: Else to go.
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  Speaker 4: Labor voters though they don't really have that many options.
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  Speaker 4: The problem with the Liberal Party now is that voters
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  Speaker 4: have options. They either go very far right and head
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  Speaker 4: towards one nation, or they go and join the til movement.
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  Speaker 4: So the voter base is being diluted across those three
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  Speaker 4: parties and that there is a huge issue that the
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  Speaker 4: Liberals need to overcome.
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  Speaker 6: There's a historic precedent starting in the nineteen fifties the
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  Speaker 6: ALP split and the ADI communist part of the ALP
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  Speaker 6: became a separate party, the d Orp Democratic Labor Party
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  Speaker 6: and for a decade kept them out of power because
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  Speaker 6: they've got enough of the vote. Now that's the dangerous
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  Speaker 6: territory which I think you're pointing to the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 6: going into.
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  Speaker 4: They are and they need to turn things around very quickly.
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  Speaker 4: But to your point, Kel, whether or not these numbers
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  Speaker 4: actually then are a reflection when it comes to the
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  Speaker 4: election in twenty twenty eight is something that we'll be
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  Speaker 4: waiting to see. But there is time to turn this around,
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  Speaker 4: and I think the Liberals need to get working on it.
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  Speaker 2: The problem is, if you look at international precedent, what
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  Speaker 2: is going on around the world. We are seeing these
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  Speaker 2: right wing populist parties USURP, the traditional mainstream conservatives in
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  Speaker 2: the UK, Across Europe, this is happening even in the US.
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  Speaker 2: You could really argue that Trump's MAGA movement was the
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  Speaker 2: beginning of that. It wasn't a separate or a new
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  Speaker 2: republican party, but it was an internal revolution. And so
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  Speaker 2: unless that happens within the Liberal Party and there is
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  Speaker 2: some sort of drastic change and they start standing up
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  Speaker 2: for the values that average Ozzy's want, I don't see
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  Speaker 2: how this is going to stop anytime soon. I think
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  Speaker 2: the momentum is with one nation and Australia is not
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  Speaker 2: going to buck the trend, and the trend internationally is
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  Speaker 2: that these populist parties are entrenching themselves in the political world,
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  Speaker 2: and that may.
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  Speaker 6: Well be that the Liberal Party is unelectable at the
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  Speaker 6: next election. This is a fairly depressing thoughts. So let's
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  Speaker 6: move on and talk about Alberzi again. It is first
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  Speaker 6: term in office. Alberizi took Mike Burgess, who was the
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  Speaker 6: head of Asia, away from being a permanent member of
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  Speaker 6: the Australia's really powerful organization, the National Security Commission. He
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  Speaker 6: normally had been a permanent member of that, and alberize
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  Speaker 6: removed him from being a permanent member and he could visit,
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  Speaker 6: he could come on occasions, he could be called by
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  Speaker 6: the committee, but he was no longer a permanent member.
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  Speaker 1: Now. That happened.
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  Speaker 6: Alberizi did that in his first term in office, and
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  Speaker 6: it was reported by a Sky News reporter Olivia Kaisley. Well,
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  Speaker 6: Olivia Caisley is now with the so she's defected from
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  Speaker 6: one political party to another. But she had an opportunity
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  Speaker 6: to talk to Alberanizi about that on the ABC Breakfast
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  Speaker 6: program and this is how the exchange went.
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  Speaker 8: Was it a mistake to remove as Oh and the
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  Speaker 8: Australian Federal Police from Home Affairs and excludes intelligence chiefs
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  Speaker 8: from the National Security Committee meetings for nearly two years
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  Speaker 8: in your first.
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  Speaker 3: Term of government.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the premise of the question is wrong.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's how is it, Prime Minister?
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  Speaker 5: The premise premise is completely wrong. We have completely engaged
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  Speaker 5: with all of the national security the Mike Mike Burgess,
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  Speaker 5: Mike Burgess was appointed. Mike Burgess was appointed to know
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  Speaker 5: that it wasn't Mike Burgess was every single meeting for
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  Speaker 5: two years on Sorry, I'm sorry Olivia. I'm sorry, Olivia,
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  Speaker 5: but you weren't at the NSC meetings.
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  Speaker 6: I was, yes, but also wasn't telling the exact truth,
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  Speaker 6: because it really is the case that Mike Burgess was
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  Speaker 6: removed as a permanent member of the National Security Commission.
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  Speaker 6: Now he's been restored since then, but it did happen
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  Speaker 6: in Albanese his first term, and he's now pretending it
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  Speaker 6: didn't happen. And what struck me was just how incredibly
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  Speaker 6: defensive he is, how prickly he cannot cope with even
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  Speaker 6: the slightest level of personal criticism.
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  Speaker 2: This is the elbow we saw during the election campaign
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  Speaker 2: under pressure when he's been questioned by journalists.
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  Speaker 3: He is a very disagreeable guy.
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  Speaker 2: He just uses sourenness, and I think the way he
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  Speaker 2: was even speaking to that poor ABC journalist was very patronizing.
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  Speaker 2: It was if that was a coalition MP speaking like
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  Speaker 2: that to a young female journalist, Oh, they would be skewered.
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  Speaker 4: Would have made headlines, and we've been replayed everywhere that
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  Speaker 4: you possibly could see. But it's also yet again Anthony
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  Speaker 4: Albanese's standing up there and gaslighting the nation.
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  Speaker 3: He can't just.
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  Speaker 4: Tell the truth and say yes, it was an error
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  Speaker 4: of our judgment, and we reinstated Mike Burgess back into
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  Speaker 4: a full time position in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, we made an error, and then you just move on.
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  Speaker 3: But when you behave like that made a mistake, it's
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  Speaker 3: what's so frustrating.
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  Speaker 4: But when you behave like that, you just realize that
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  Speaker 4: he is just so out of his depth and incapable
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  Speaker 4: of being a leader because he can't admit when he
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  Speaker 4: has made a mistake. And that is a fundamental issue
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  Speaker 4: that we have with this Prime minister yep.
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  Speaker 6: And I think it's one of the things that can
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  Speaker 6: infect the political arena. Doesn't have to. There are lots
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: of fairly modest politicians who'll say I got this wrong,
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: got that right. I did it a long interview with
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: a retired senior politician once reflecting on his career, and
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: it turned out it was amazing in every instance where
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: there was a dispute, he was always right and his
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: opponents were always wrong. So there are some people in
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: the political field who are just like that.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: But I think Albow now, in the climate that we're
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: in and the level of anger in the community, that
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: kind of behavior just will not fly anymore.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen that interview in many plays too, and
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: that there makes me think that he will continue to
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: believe he can get away with that sort of behavior
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: because he's not being held to account when it does happen.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: But there's another story that is quite concerning that is
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: coming out of Bondai. There is a company that was
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: set up nine days after the account after the terrorist attack,
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: and they are pretending as though the co owner was
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: part of well he was shot. They don't specify whether
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: or not he was he passed away, but that he
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: was shot in the tragedy, despite law and order enforcement
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: saying that there was no one by the name of
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: James that had been shot. And they are selling discounted items.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: They're claiming that this store will be permanent clickly closed
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: once the stock is sold. Now this is called a
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: ghost store. Who are pretending that they're in Australia but
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: they are actually based overseas and then they drop in
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: just very low quality items. So we had a quick
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: look at this website and it does look as though
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: it's a similar layout to a TEAMU where you go
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: on and you can see that it's a random mixture
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: of sandals, dresses, some weird bags that are all heavily discounted.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: But you can see that the registration number is linked
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: to it is on an ABN website, but it doesn't
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: have a dot com dot au website.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: So it just seems incredibly dodgy.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: But it's just so disgraceful when people use a tragedy
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: to go and fraud customers who would all be wanting
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: to do what they can, because we do hear stories
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: that Bondi businesses were struggling off the back of the
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: massacre because people didn't want to go back to the.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Area courage to support bond.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Go and support Bondi businesses.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: So when you see a ghost store then pops up
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: and people are putting that hard earned money thinking that
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: they are helping a poor shop whose co owner was shot.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: I think it's absolutely disgraceful.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: And unfortunately, what the online retailing world has done is
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: to make it easier to do this sort of thing.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: You couldn't have set up a pretend store to cash
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: in on this without the Internet. So I just keep
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: saying all the time, you've got to be if it's
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: on the Internet, you've got to be very, very weary
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: the number of scams. I'm not saying this is a scam,
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: but the number of scams, the number of dubious things,
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: the number of really tasteless, exploitative things the net makes possible,
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: and we just need to be really weary and not
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: in any way reward them.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but the problem is, how do you know it's
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: only because someone's obviously received the dodgy items is how
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: this business has been.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Out to be flagged. But how are people supposed to
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: know that this is?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: The outings like that, the.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: Address, and it's often very interesting if the address has
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: no AU, and this address has no AU at the end,
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: it's not Australian. Whatever it is, it's not Australian. It's
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: like the people who send you bills which are supposed
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: to be your Telstra bill, and when you see the
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: reply address on the email, it's probably TELT. So it's
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: checking addresses and things like that. It's possible to do
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: those things.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: And also that website clearly is all just AI generated.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: The owners are AI photos.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: The text reads like it's chat GPT.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I get it's hard to tell when you're just coming
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: across something online, but it's pretty obvious I.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Don't know if you look at that, no one looks
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: like that in real life.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: They can if they're models, if they're paid models, and
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: you know people are quite attractive in BONDI you just
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: you're not going to be looking into that. I don't
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: think if you saw that online, you came across it,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: you heard that there was a business that was struggling,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: you jump on when you have a look at the website.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: It does because I knew it was a fake website.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: It looks like t move. But I think if you
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: were actually just someone wanted to go and do the
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: right thing, you probably just wouldn't think twice.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it got to stay alert guys. Well if you're
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: up in Queensland, you also need to be staying alert
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: because four months ago the courts got given the power
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: to block high risk individuals from carrying firearms for ten years.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: But now the head of the police union has spoken
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: out and hit back at what he's labeled bureaucratic inertia.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Despite the courts being able to issue prohibition orders for
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: four months, no Queenslanders have been banned from holding a
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: firearm now. These laws came in under the Miles Labor
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: government back in twenty twenty four before Chris A. Foley
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: and they are an example. So this was in response
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: if you remember that horrific shooting where the police were
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: ambushed on a Queensland farm exactly, and so it was
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: in response to that. And the idea is, well, we
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: need to stop people who could be at risk of
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: domestic violence mental health issues from getting guns. Seems very fair,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: but it is another example of how simply pursuing gun
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: control does not necessarily have any impact. If one, police
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: aren't resourced to act enforce the laws, and if there's
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: no motivation to enforce them anyway, four months and no
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: one has been prohibited from accessing a firearm. If that
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: is the only approach that labor thinks is well, if
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: it's one of the main approaches that labor federally and
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: at a state level is taking to deal with the
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: crisis at BONDI, it's clearly not going to work.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: Well. Having just been rude about the digital world, I
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: should say one of the problems is that the firearms
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: register in Queensland is not digitized. It's all penant vapor
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: and they still haven't worked out how they're going to
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: get that digitally. So that it's searchable and they can
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: look for the people who are making applications for guns.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: They're call prohibition orders, and it's perfectly sensible to say, well,
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: we're going to put out a prohibition order this person
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: because of who they are, because they have a connection
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: with organized crime, or they have connections with terrorist organizations
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: or support that, or have a domestic violence history, they
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: should be prohibited from a fire.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: And if that ended up being part of the gun
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: laws being brought in in New South Wales or federally,
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: that would be fine, but they need to be acted on.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: And the same thing happened federally with the circled hate
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: speech laws. They brought in these tougher hate speech laws,
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: and how many hate preachers were actually prosecuted, that's right,
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: The number was none. So having a law on the
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: books can make you look good and feel good, but
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: it's pointless unless you actually apply it and people go
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: to jail or people get these orders the.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Cal to your point, A really big issue in Queensland
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: is the fact that their gun registry is completely done
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: with pen and paypers and police receive thousands of forms
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: every single month that they then need to manually input
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: and keep track of which will then ultimately if they
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: don't sort this out in Queensland, it's certainly going to
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: be a problem when the National Firearm Registry is supposed
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: to be up and running by twenty twenty eight, so
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: they need to I really sought that out too, and
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: I think the Chrystal Foley government they inherited this, but
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: they certainly are putting money towards getting this up and running.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: Let's turn our attention overseas again and take a look
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: at Greenland, because Donald J. Trump is looking at Greenland.
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: Can I just fill in a bit of background here.
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: Everyone's saying this is eccentric, this is the weird, unpredictable
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: Donald Trump. But it may not be. I mean, the
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: Danes are getting upset about it. They have an old
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: order issue to their army from nineteen fifty two saying
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: if it looks like a threat, shoot first. But if
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: six thousand Marines landed in Greenland, I think having half
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: a dozen Danish soldiers shoot first would not necessarily help.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Background.
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: America has actually sought Greenland at least three times I
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: think in the eight in nineties, around nineteen ten, and
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: definitely in nineteen forty six. So Trump is actually following
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: up in interest that America's had for a long time.
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: And my own suspicion is that what he really wants
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: is call is a deal, call to compact the free
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: association which the America has with a number Pacific nations, Microelesia, Palao,
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: Marshall Islands, places like that, whereby they're recognized as sovereign states.
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: But America provides all the defense. There's lots of defense
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: bases there, and America provides American social security, and they
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: fund all kinds of grants and things like that and
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: look after them. Now, Greenland is a twenty million square
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: kilometers of perma frost with a population of fifty seven thousand,
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: and there's no roads from town to town. You've got
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: to go around the coast in a boat in order
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: to get from town to town. I would think they
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: would be fairly vulnerable to an attractive offer.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent, And I think it only makes sense.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: The Arctic, interestingly, has become a venue for great power politics.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: China recently called themselves a near Arctic state. Since twenty fourteen,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Russia has been resurrecting Soviet era bases and constructing new ones.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: It also would be very strategic for early warning systems
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: for missiles coming from Russia into North America. So on
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: every strategic level, I totally understand where Trump is coming from.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I mean it is classic Trump style to not have
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: these negotiations behind the scenes but just declare it in
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: a press conference. But you know what, Denmark needs the
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: US more than the US needs Denmark.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Well, Marco Rubio is set to meet with officials from
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Denmark and Greenland next week in Washington. We'll be interesting
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: to see what plays out. But what I've also found
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: quite interesting to watch is the opposition. One of the
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: opposition parties has come out and said, we want to
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: be independent, let's remove ourselves from Denmark, but link up
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: with the US in that security sort of style packed
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: so that we've got them there to back US, but
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: we are still independent. So it does seem as though
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: they might want to break away from Denmark, but they
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: don't want to be ruled by the US either.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Well, there are plenty of benefits to being part of
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: the US, and if you're having to take a boat
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: between towns, maybe to sweeten the deal, the US could
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: offer to build a couple roads or something might be
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: a win win for everyone. But we're going to go
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: to a break now. Coming up after the break, Trump
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: doesn't stop at Greenland. He's also now talking about land
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: strikes against the cartels in Mexico.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Well, first we saw an extraordinary US operation in Venezuela.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Now Trump is talking about Greenland, and just today he
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: also said the US would start doing land strikes in
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Mexico against the drug cartels.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Here he was on Fox News.
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: You are going to start now hitting the land with
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: regard to the cartels. The cartels are running Mexico. It's
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: very sad to watch and see what's happened to that country.
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: But the cartels are running, and they're killing two hundred
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: and fifty three hundred thousand people in our country every
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: single year.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Now, the Mexican president, who herself is quite a lefty,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Shinebaum then that she categorically rejects the idea of US
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: intervention and thinks this is a terrible idea. But Jamie,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: the reality is Mexico does not have control over their border,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: over much of their own country. It is being run
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: by cartels. Seventy thousand people a year are dying from
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: fentanyl coming over the border. So why shouldn't Trump strike
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the cartels?
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think he definitely should strike the cartels.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: But the difference between Venezuela and Mexico is Mexico they
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: democratically elected their president, unlike what we saw in Venezuela.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: So you could probably give a.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Little bit more lenience to Trump going in and removing
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: a dictator. What I think would be interesting is what
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: he exactly means by hitting Land.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Is he planning to shift.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: His military operation expand on his intelligent operations. Is he
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: trying to intensify as pressure on Mexico.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: As a whole.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: That's what's going to be I'm interested to see what
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: his words mean by saying hitting lad Well.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: We did see in Nigeria, after all of the Nigerian
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Christian persecution stuff reached its height, the Trump administration did
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: strike some of the Islamists in the north that were
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: terrorizing Christians, and so there is precedent for this. This
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: is of course, how they started in Venezuela targeting the
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: drug boats. So what do you think, hel do you
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: support it?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Might?
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: This is my guess. My guess is they would do
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: targeted air strikes are. They're not going to send in
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: ground troops or anything like that, but really precisely targeted
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: air strikes. My assumption is they've got very good intelligence,
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: so they know exactly where these cartel headquarters are, and
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: they can strike them with missiles that even the cartels
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: haven't ever noticed before and do a lot of damage.
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: I wonder if behind the scenes he's talking to the
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: Mexican President and she's saying, we can't control these buggers.
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: Can you do something about them? But you understand I
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: have to protest publicly because my people will expect me
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: to do that. I don't think he's going to do
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: this unless he knows where he's going and he knows
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: what the reaction is going to be. So I suspect
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: Marco Rubio is a very good Secretary of State.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: He engineers very good deals.
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: I would guess he may be talking to Claudia Scheinberman
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: and saying, look, you can't control these people.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: We'll control them for you.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: This is what we would be very precise, very narrow,
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: just hit the headquarters of the various drug cartails, and
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: her response might be after diplomatic negotiations go ahead, I'll
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: make some noises publicly, but it's a good idea.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think there could be some merit in that.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Of course, another sticking point in the US Mexico relationship
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: was the remittance tax, because billions of dollars get sent
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: back to Mexico. Trump said in one of his election promises,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: was that's going to be taxed and collect millions of
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: dollars for the government. So maybe there could be some
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: give and take on that, and of course, you know,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: trade off. It's all about the art of the deal.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: So I think you're right, Kel, there's probably a lot
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: more to this story than we're not seeing.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, let's wait and see, it'll develop. I mean Trump
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: is good at doing the precise strikes. The striking Iran
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: not a democracy, I grant you, but the strike by
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: the bunker buster bombs that wiped out Iran's nuclear capacity
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: was precise, it was narrow. The American military are very smart,
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: They've got very good intelligence, They're very good at doing
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: this sort of thing. So I think he's got options.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Well, it looks like there could be some changes to drivers.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: Now I'm looking over your way, Kel, because you maybe
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: fall into this demographic I don't want to assume, but
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Australia should enforce stricter laws for senior drivings, requiring mandatory
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: eye tests more frequently in every single state. And that's
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: the message from road safety experts who told Yahoo News
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: that it's not enough that has been done to keep
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Ossie safe on the roads. And they have put in
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: some statistics around this that it's in the sixty five
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: and older age group had increased by fourteen percent over
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: ten years to twenty twenty four. But it's also similar
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: trends in other countries around the world, with nearly one
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: in four fatalities age seventy.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Or older in Britain.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: So then the UK government has put in stricter laws
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: where they have mandatory eye checks every three years for
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: drivers seventy and older.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with the mandatory eye checks.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: I don't think that that should be something that's super controversial.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: Well, speaking on behalf of the baby boomer generation, neither
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: do I. I don't think already you get to a
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: certain age. I think it might be seventy five, I'm
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: not certain, but you get to a certain age and
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: you have to have medical checks every year or every
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: couple of years. So old people just shrug their shoulders
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, get on with it doesn't matter.
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: That's okay, And eyesight matters an awful lot when you're driving. Now,
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: there are a lot of older drivers who've actually got
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: the best eyesight they've ever had because they get cataracts.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: The way cataract operations work is they take out the
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: natural lens and they put in an acrylic lens, and
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: suddenly there are people who can see the way they
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: could see when they were fifteen. So, in fact, a
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: lot of them are going to pass the eye test
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: and it's going to work just fine.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a worry.
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: I suspect a lot of baby boomer is going to
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: think you're kidding. You know, we're not the dangerous drivers.
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: The dangerous drivers about young woons, they're the dangerous drivers.
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: If you know, Grandpa is irritating when he goes at
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: forty ks an hour in a sixty k zone. That's
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: when he's irritating, right, But he's.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Not going to do dangerous Three crashes comes from speed,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: and fatal crashes is the result of speeding.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, I guess the question really here is what is
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: more fatal on the roads and deteriorated eyes or an
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: underdeveloped amygdala, And that really is the question, more eyeside
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: or terrible judgment. And actually, you know, you're probably right.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Terrible judgment and risk taking behavior, especially from young men
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: on the roads, would claim a lot of lives.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: But you can test forize. You can't test for judgment.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I can just look at some of these guys up
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: and down and go, you're not driving near me?
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Well let's move on now and talk about the Kangaroo Colony.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: There's a development over in Western Sydney that has been
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: knocked back because one resident wrote in a submission that
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: apparently this site, which is basically just a car park,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: is actually home to a range of wildlife, including a
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: local kangaroo population that relies on the open space of
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: the car park as a natural habitat and movement corridor.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: More than one hundred and fifty objections were submitted in
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: response to this proposed village that would be a three
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: hundred million dollar state significant development site. But look, Jamie,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I know people are pose housing. I know we have
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: a chronic case of nimbiism in this country. But claiming
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: that a car park in Western Sydney is a kangaroo corridor.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, come on, I know.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: And when you look at what is going to be
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: developed there, it actually sounds like it would be really
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: great for that area. I can understand people's concerns when
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: you are putting up pie rises into areas that you
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: worry that it's going to lose the heritage and feel
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: of the suburb. It's happening around where I live, It's
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: happening where everyone is living, and you want to ensure
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: that the infrastructure is also in place to be able
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: to accommodate all of the increase in the population.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: But it sounds good.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: They're doing a medical center, car parks, indoor recreational facility,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: a public pasa and when you look at some of
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: the imagery, there's going to.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Be beautiful like shrubs and parklands.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: So I would have thought that the kangaroos would still
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: be able to come through there, and maybe you have
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: a bit of a nicest surroundings than just a car park.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: Architects drawings can you because they always look back the product.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: But it's better than a car pack kind of concrete
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: vacant lot.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Come on, that is not a kangaroo habitat.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: I I'm on the side of the NIMBYs. I think
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: nimbi ism is a really good thing, and I think,
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: in fact, i'd go beyond nimby. I'd be a banana,
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: build nothing anywhere near anyone. What worries me is they're
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: giving up on building standalone houses. If they were taking
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: this area and saying we had to build stand alone
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: houses with backyards, I think, yeah, that's a good idea,
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: that's a good move, get rid of the car back
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: do that. But it's more ad hills and pussy kids
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: need backyards. I'm really upset about the death of the
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: great Australian backyard.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Now I'm with you on that kel.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I agree we need backyards, but if you don't have
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: housing supply, it just means everything is more expensive. So
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: you actually need the apartments, and then we need the
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: baby boomers in babyields.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Tell that five.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Bedroom family house go into these apartments and then your kids,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: grandkids can have the backyard.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: Satellite cities. There's ways of doing it without putting up
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: ant hills.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: Against the ant hills. It's not on Little kids have
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: got to be able to run outside and play backyard
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: cricket or just play just run around backyard soccer. There's
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: got to be someway for mom and dad to have
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: a veggie garden and to hide barbecues with their friends,
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: and that is being killed off. The developer started by
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: putting up massive mansions with one meter backyards, and they
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: were allowed to do it because I don't know, greedy developers,
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: greedy counsels, whatever. And now Chris Men's is promoting it. No, no, no,
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: So this development is another one of a bunch of
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: ant hills. I'm sorry. If you'd come up with something
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: other than an hills, I'd be.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: On your side.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Well, you might like the idea of this young landlord
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: a little bit better. She has a property over in
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Perth and she thinks it is unethical to raise the rant.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Have a look.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: I believe that it is a landlord's responsibility to cover
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: their own interest rate.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: You're the one who wanted to buy the house. You're
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: the one who wants to take a risk at investing.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: That risk is your responsibility. If your interest rate goes up,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: that's on the landlord. That's not on your poor tenants
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: to cop the cost of your bad investing skills.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure she quite understands the nature of investing,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: and you know, you try to get your cost back
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: when you rent out a property. But so I mean
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: credit to her in some ways. She's got this house
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: that she's renting to a young family for three hundred
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: and fifty dollars a week, and she doesn't want to
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: raise the rent even though interest rates have gone up.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: But I would say that's nice in theory, but not
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: the reality for most mum and dad investors. You've got
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: to pay a mortgage as well. Mortgage rates have gone
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: up substantially in the last couple of years.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Someone's got to pay for that.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: I was trying to see within that article to see
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: if that twenty one year old still lives at home,
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: because that might change her opinion that if you're still
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: living at home, it won't be hitting your hip pocket
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: as much as if you were living in another property
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: and having to pay two mortgages and seeing if you're
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: not getting the rent covered. But also things like it'll
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: discourage property maintenance because that is the money that would
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: then be coming out of the rent. So I think
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: it's lovely that she is doing that and that she's
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: able to be in a position to help a young family.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: And she does have a point that if you have
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: really good tenants, why then increase the rate That might
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: end up making them have to leave and then you
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: get stuck with awful tenants that don't pay their bills.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: So I think from that aspect.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: It's great you want to look after good tenants and
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: especially a family. And she did also say that when
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: she was younger, her family were kicked out of a
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: property because the rent went up and they couldn't afford
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: it anymore. So I think for her this is also
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: an internal thing to be able to do good within society.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: But it's just not realistic or a long term Bible option.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: It's not living in the real world. I mean, my
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: message to that nice young lady is, you're a lovely
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: young lady. You've got to stop being a landlord. It's
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: not what you want to be. You must be a
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: social worker because that's clearly where your heart lies rather
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: than being a landlord. And can I talk about where
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: people's hearts lie. There's an American. He's a Texas bloke,
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: and he's a dad. He became a dad four years
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: ago and He's published a piece on the internet on
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: a social media website saying he hates being with his children.
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: I'm a dad, but spending time with my young kids
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: makes my blood boil. Is this normal? Or am I
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: a monster? You won't really asking me that question. You're
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: a monster. Everyone gets irritated with their kids occasionally from
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: time to time. You know, there were times when you
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: just get there screaming and they're carrying on and you
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: want to say, okay, kids, just go out and play
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: flat chaps on the road or something, because you just
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: can't cope with it any life. But that's just occasionally.
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: He became a dad four years ago. We're talking about
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: really adorable little toddlers, and I do not understand him
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: saying he doesn't want to spend more than ten minutes
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: a day with adorable little toddlers. I can't begin to
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: understand that. It actually goes on to say, I know,
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: when my boy becomes a teenager and want to talk
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: to his dad, I'll really regret not having spent more time. Yes,
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: you will. You understand that cognitively. Let me explain to
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: this father, life is not about you. When you have
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: young children, life is about them. Do you decide you're
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: going to be a parent. Your life revolves around the
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: little kids. They are the center You've got to Suddenly,
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: I know, we grow up thinking his life's about me,
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: and I want to all my potential to be fulfilled
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: and all these good things to happen to me. You
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: have little kids, It's not about you any longer. It's
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: about them.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: I think when I was watching this following you that
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: was very well said Kel, But when I was reading
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: this article, I'm not joking. Literally, at the exact same
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: moment of reading this, my two I've got two boys,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: five and eight.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: We're punching and wrestling around on the corner. I was like,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: well you stop.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: And I thought, oh, yeah, I can see. You know,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: they can be really irritating at times. But I think
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: that this Dolca just shows for this man. It was
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: really sad reading the article, for both the children and himself,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: because it does also highlight some of the pressures that
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: young parents do feel because you are in the trenches
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: when kids are young.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: You often say, oh, you get out of the trenches,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: but you enjoy every minute.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: This little boy, that little boy adores his daddy exactly
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: because is wonderful.
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: What he's thinking, what he's feeling is what matters, Not
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: what Dad is thinking and feeling doesn't matter. What this
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: little kid who adores his daddy and wants to spend
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: time with it, he shouldn't be pleading with him to
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: come and play with him. He wants his daddy. This
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: is really special for a little.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Kid, it is, And I think but that hopefully for
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: that gentleman, he's got some other male dad friends that
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: they can still sit around and have a beer together,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: to be able to discuss their different stories and how
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: hard it is to have young children.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: But to your point, Hel, I do think it was
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: quite sad, because you're the absolute world.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Of little children and all they want to do is
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: just to be with you, even when they are wrestling
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: and fighting and screaming on their lungs and they're great.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Well exactly.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: It is interesting, and I think for me, obviously I
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: don't have kids, But what it does strike me as
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: is the parents who invest more when their kids are
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: young in developing a strong bond with their children end
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: up more securely attached, and then they actually both mutually
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: enjoy each other's company more. But if you don't ever
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: invest that time, especially when they're young. Even though your
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: kids they might not remember that when they're older, but
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: you've built, you've done the hard yards, You've built a
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: strong bond together. That is what then carries you through
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: and develops a really strong relationship. So I just think
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: it is a bit shortsighted on his part, and it
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: is very selfish.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: If you choose to become a parent, you choose to
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: sacrifice sleep, sanity, money, time, basically everything your life becomes
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: about your child and their wellbeing, and that's how it
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: should be.
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: We're grandparents at the moment, so we're getting a second
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: go at it with another bunch of little toddlers, and
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: we know exactly what it's like and how exhausting it is,
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: and how they can be perfectly normal little boys and
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: fight with each other, stop punching, don't punch each other,
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: all that stuff.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: But it's still wonderful. It's really precious time.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: You've got to see that and you've got to live
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: in that moment exactly.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about a bill, a bill, a gym
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: who has received a big bill regarding them not paying
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: for copyright. Now, this is when you are within a gym.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: More often if you go into a supermarket or a shops,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: they pay a feed for the songs that are being played.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: So by artists like this particular facility, we're playing a
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: Vichy and Banger Boys within spin classes and other aerobic classes,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: and they didn't pay the licensing fees. So this gym
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: is now being ordered to pay one hundred and seventy
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: five thousand dollars for this copyright infringement.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: But undercover offices went to.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: A lot of detail in trouble to be able to
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: find these facilities. They went undercover went to a whole
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: range of different classes and they were recording the classes
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: with the device for the whole duration. Some of these
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: classes would be going for an hour, so that they
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: could have as proof the amount of songs that were
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: playing throughout every class. Now, I actually went online to
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: this one music license website because I was just curious
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: how much it would roughly cost a business like a
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: gym to have a monthly subscription. Just to put into context,
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: for one hundred and seventy five thousand dollar fee they
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: should have been paying, this is roughly one hundred and
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: thirty one dollars a month. So fifteen hundred dollars per year.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Probably should have just paid the lie.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I blame Spotify.
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: I blame streaming when you've got physical things, vinyl records
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: or CDs. There was a little thing printed on it
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: and a small print that said, let me quote unauthorized copying, hiring, lending,
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: public performance of this recording is prohibited. So the warning
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: was there. It's for the sake of the musicians. That's
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: how they earn their living. So the idea that I
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: can use the work of musicians and not pay anyone
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: anything for it is not only.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: They might have thought though that their Spotify premium subscription
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: covered that.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Well, and this is the thing, right, couldn't you just
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: get everyone to put their own AirPods in and then
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: you just centrally control the playlist and you're like all
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: listening to the same music anyway.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: But that's okay. But if out of classic no.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: No, I think that much violent the license too.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: That's so true. Well, we're going to go to a
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: break now. But coming up after the break, how much
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: would you pay to meet Roger Federer? This is the question,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to give you a hint. Jamie would
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: pay a lot welcome back. Well, if you ever spare
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars lying around, you could meet Roger Federer.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Jamie tell us, how do we meet the legend himself?
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for just a small twenty thousand dollars you can
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: go and shake his hand, greet him in a dressing
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: room in Melbourne next weekend. Now, courtside seats for the
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Australian Opener seventeen thousand dollars, So you don't meet Rogia
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: feder with that amount of money, but for twenty you
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: get seats and you get to go and meet him.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: But this is ahead of his coming out to play
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: in what's being dubbed as the Battle of the World
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: number ones during the Australian Open. So he's playing against
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Andre Agacy, pat Rafter and Leyton Hewitt. And would you
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: believe all the tickets are sold out to go and
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: see Roger Federer. So people have paid that twenty thousand.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: If you're going to spend seventeen thousand sitting courtside anyway,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: what's an extra three thousand to meet Roger Federer?
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: If you had the money, you'd pay it. If you
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: had it, you'd pay it to go.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Met well, that's the key there, if you had it,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: if we had.
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: The money and could afford to say, anyone who doesn't
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: cost money to meet, I'm sorry. Does that mean I'm
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: terribly mean? I'm not too sure. I might be mean
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: about this. If you ordered that precious Wedgewood china and
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: it was delivered to your house like this, you'd be upset.
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: So there he is of the delivery man has come
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: up to the top of the stairs. When he gets
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: to the top of the stairs, he throws the package.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: That is just brutal.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Why go to all that effort walk up and then
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: just toss the package? Absolutely outrageous. That guy should be
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: ashamed of himself. But I'm glad that was caught on camera.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Well that's it from us this evening, Thanks so much
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: for your company. Coming up next is a special episode
• 49:30
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