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The Kenny Report | 15 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight. Anthony Albanezi in Jakarta. Bye,
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  Speaker 2: But why aren't we doing a lot more business with Indonesia?
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  Speaker 3: The acting Prime Minister, Richard Marles.
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  Speaker 2: Faces the music over his factional hit job against two
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  Speaker 2: other ministers. The Greens choose a new leader and she's
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  Speaker 2: already trying to tell Labor what to do. Also energy,
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  Speaker 2: Trump in the Middle East, and plenty more as I'm
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  Speaker 2: joined by Bridget Mackenzie, Zoey Mackenzie, Alexander Downer, and we'll
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  Speaker 2: wrap it all up with Mark Nicholson and Tim Blair.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it. As you know, the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: is in Indonesia as we speak. It's a good move
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  Speaker 2: to get up there quickly after his re election, but
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  Speaker 2: it's also just a little embarrassing when there were serious
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  Speaker 2: security concerns raised during the election campaign about Russia wanting
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  Speaker 2: to base military aircraft, perhaps permanently, on an Indonesian island
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  Speaker 2: where Jakarta hopes to build a satellite launching facility, and
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  Speaker 2: in the campaign Labor was mocking these concerns.
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  Speaker 4: The opposition is asking for a briefing on something that
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  Speaker 4: doesn't exist. I mean, they might as well ask for
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  Speaker 4: a briefing on the Lockness monster. This is something that
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  Speaker 4: doesn't exist that they fabricated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, mockery, But we learned, of course that a request
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  Speaker 2: had been made and Indonesia thankfully rejected it. Today in Jakarta,
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  Speaker 2: Albanizi had to confront the reality of this strategic challenge.
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  Speaker 5: Thingth No, that lost the question.
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  Speaker 6: Indonesia's answer is no, That've made it very clear that
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  Speaker 6: the question that made it very clear. Not for me
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  Speaker 6: to comment on what occurs between countries that are not Australia.
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  Speaker 6: What is important is Australia's position. Our positions clear, Indonesia's
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  Speaker 6: position is clear as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's little doubt this issue would have been raised
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  Speaker 2: as the.
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  Speaker 1: PM and President Praboo Subianto.
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  Speaker 2: Met Indonesian capital today. With Australia given the right royal
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  Speaker 2: treatment from this enormous democracy just to our north, and
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  Speaker 2: Albnizi at least stood up strongly against Russia.
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  Speaker 6: We make very clear our position when it comes to
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  Speaker 6: Russia around the world, but at the brutal invasion of Ukraine,
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  Speaker 6: its interference in cybersecurity issues as well its tolerance of
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  Speaker 6: criminal organizations that have been involved in that are anathema
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  Speaker 6: to our values. We'll continue to stand up for Australian
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  Speaker 6: values and that is something that we'll do but domestically,
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  Speaker 6: but right around the world.
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  Speaker 2: So across the day, there was a lot said about
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  Speaker 2: nurturing this relationship between Australia and Indonesia, and that's a
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  Speaker 2: good thing, but for too long there's been a lot
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  Speaker 2: of talk with too little action. Indonesia is a thriving
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  Speaker 2: and growing market economy, the world's largest Muslim democracy with
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  Speaker 2: a population of more than two.
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  Speaker 3: Hundred and eighty million people.
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  Speaker 1: Yet when it.
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  Speaker 2: Comes to two way trade, with a two way trade
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  Speaker 2: with Australia, it ranks outside of our top ten trading partners,
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  Speaker 2: which is a massive missed opportunity for both nations.
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  Speaker 3: Let's hope we can find ways to do better.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: With albaneasy away, his Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister,
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  Speaker 2: Richard Miles is the acting Prime Minister and as such
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  Speaker 2: he gave a media conference this afternoon which i'll show
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  Speaker 2: you in just a moment because it.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't go too well.
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  Speaker 2: It was the first time he'd popped his head up
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  Speaker 2: since the labor factions. His labor faction tossed, as had
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  Speaker 2: two cabinet ministers, the former Attorney General Mark Drayfus, who
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  Speaker 2: went quietly, and the former Industry Minister Ed Husick, who
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  Speaker 2: spat the dummy and fewer through a few barbs at
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  Speaker 2: Miles on the way up.
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  Speaker 7: The difficult issue here is that we've had sort of
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  Speaker 7: baar faced ambition and a deputy prime minister wheeled a
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  Speaker 7: factional club to reshape the ministry. I think when people
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  Speaker 7: look at a deputy prime minister, they expect to see
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  Speaker 7: a statesman, not a factional assassin.
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  Speaker 3: Factional assassin.
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  Speaker 2: So, with those two ministers gone and the new ministry
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  Speaker 2: sworn in, Miles fronted the media today. These edited highlights
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  Speaker 2: will give you a sense of how it all went.
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  Speaker 8: You have had Husic's blood on your hands.
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  Speaker 5: No, we have gone through obviously what is difficult processes
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  Speaker 5: in terms of choosing a minut it is a collective process.
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  Speaker 3: Was mister hughsy right to call you a factional assassin?
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  Speaker 5: Look, I'm not going to go into that. As I say,
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  Speaker 5: this is a difficult process. We have a lot of
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  Speaker 5: really talented people.
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  Speaker 9: What fractional assassin?
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  Speaker 1: Though?
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  Speaker 5: Well, again I don't accept that these are collective processes.
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  Speaker 5: As I said, they are obviously difficult processes.
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  Speaker 3: Are you saying you had nothing to do with this?
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying that these are collective processes.
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  Speaker 10: Did you ignore phone calls from that husic?
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  Speaker 5: Look again, I'm not going to go into the details of.
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  Speaker 6: Has a factional fighting taken the shine off labors?
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  Speaker 11: When?
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  Speaker 3: And what responsibility do you take for that?
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we have seen a remarkable election victory.
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  Speaker 3: Given the contribution you've just outlined from mister Drayfus.
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  Speaker 4: Why couldn't Why didn't you tell him before the election
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  Speaker 4: that you wanted to replace him?
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  Speaker 1: Well, again, I'm not going to.
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  Speaker 5: Go through all of the processes that un fooled here.
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  Speaker 5: I mean it is, it is a difficult process.
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  Speaker 12: Could you do this to boost your own potential long
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  Speaker 12: term leadership aspiration?
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  Speaker 5: These are collective processes which are about choosing a front
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  Speaker 5: bench and a very difficult set of circumstances. This looks
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  Speaker 5: very sort of cold blooded and pretty brutal straight after
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  Speaker 5: an election. What happens after an election is we choose
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  Speaker 5: a front bench and it's a difficult process.
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  Speaker 11: Have you spoken to mister Draper's decision.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not going to go into all of those conversations.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not about to go.
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  Speaker 5: Into all of those conversations.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, go on, go into those conversations. These were two
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  Speaker 2: cabinet ministers. We ought to know why the Attorney General
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  Speaker 2: was dumped and the industry minister. These are important jobs
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to the nation's future. Were they dumped
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  Speaker 2: for better talent or because of ruthless factional rivalries, the
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  Speaker 2: factional games that place a lot of store and political
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  Speaker 2: power but not so much in good governance and the
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  Speaker 2: national interest.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I think we know the answer, but we deserve
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  Speaker 3: to know more.
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  Speaker 2: The Greens chose a new leader today, and as I
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  Speaker 2: suggested a couple of nights ago, surprise, surprise, they've chosen
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  Speaker 2: yet another economically illiterate person who doesn't understand science, who
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  Speaker 2: will put the nation's security at risk and jeopardize society
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  Speaker 2: by pushing to legalize drugs and stir up horrible ethnic
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  Speaker 2: and religious divisions by demonizing Israel and anyone who supports it.
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  Speaker 2: This time the leader will be Queensland Senator Larissa Waters.
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  Speaker 13: We've got a lot of work to do because people
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  Speaker 13: are really hurting, and the planet is hurting, and we
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  Speaker 13: need a parliament that actually delivers for people, and has
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  Speaker 13: the courage and the boldness and the heart to deliver
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  Speaker 13: some help to people. So I'm calling today for a
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  Speaker 13: progressive Parliament and a politics with heart.
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  Speaker 3: The planet is hurting, she says.
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  Speaker 2: If you haven't seen much of waters, here's a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a sample.
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  Speaker 13: Half of the old white guys in Parliament got their
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  Speaker 13: tertiary education for free. It's about time that we made
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  Speaker 13: sure that people these days got their university for free.
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  Speaker 10: We have more in common with people seeking asylum than
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  Speaker 10: we do with the fat cats in parliament to are
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  Speaker 10: inflicting torture and mental illness and physical illness on innocent
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  Speaker 10: human beings.
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  Speaker 13: Sorry, the men are talking and I can't hear the witness.
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  Speaker 13: Would you mind either turning the volume up or can
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  Speaker 13: people keep their side chats down. People are hurting from
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  Speaker 13: climate change. This is not some future thing. This is
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  Speaker 13: hurting us now. It's not the renewable energy that fails
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  Speaker 13: in those extreme weather events. It's the old coal fire power.
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  Speaker 13: Renewables are reliable, they're actually more affordable, they're cheaper, they
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  Speaker 13: create more jobs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, reliable renewables. Cheap and reliable renewables. That's how
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  Speaker 2: to tap the grains are from reality, so it's better
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  Speaker 2: than one of the other options.
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  Speaker 3: Senator Marine Ferruki, who not only.
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  Speaker 2: Suggests that natural disasters in Pakistan are caused by Australia
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  Speaker 2: but wants us to pay reparations.
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  Speaker 14: I've just returned from Pakistan after seeing Miami. Australia's criminal
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  Speaker 14: inaction on climate is deeply felt there. Felt in the
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  Speaker 14: extreme heat, felt in the melting glacials washing away entire villages,
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  Speaker 14: and felt in the everyday life of children in Pakistan
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  Speaker 14: who are suffocating in an ever deadly mix of intense
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  Speaker 14: heat and trapped pollution. We must start a process of
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  Speaker 14: making climate reparations to the global South countries who are
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  Speaker 14: most harmed by Australia's contribution to the climate crisis.
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  Speaker 2: Australia is criminal and should pay for the damage it
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  Speaker 2: causes in places like Pakistan. She sits in the Australian
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  Speaker 2: Senate for crying out loud. Ferruki stays on as the
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  Speaker 2: Greenan's deputy leader, and she's already promising more anti Israel activism.
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  Speaker 15: Migrant and multicultural communities have in the tens of thousands
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  Speaker 15: across Sydney, across Brisbane, across Melbourne backed our strong stand
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  Speaker 15: against the genocide in Gaza and for us telling the
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  Speaker 15: truth about what is happening now.
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  Speaker 2: There's a major pro Palestinian protest planned for Melbourne on Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, so we need.
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  Speaker 3: Some cool heads to prevail.
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  Speaker 2: The Greens are such a disgrace on so many levels,
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  Speaker 2: and although they lost three of their four Lower House seats,
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  Speaker 2: they can't be ignored. Labor will rely on them to
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  Speaker 2: get their legislation through the Senate, and the new Greens
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  Speaker 2: leader is all over that.
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  Speaker 13: We will give you the numbers in the Senate. Past
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  Speaker 13: good reforms that helps people and helps the planet. Okay,
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  Speaker 13: people elected us to get done and that's what we
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  Speaker 13: intend to do.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's hope they get nothing done, but sadly they'll
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  Speaker 2: hold a whip hand over Labor. Let's cross down to
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  Speaker 2: Camber now and catch up with the National Senate leader,
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  Speaker 2: Bridget mackenzie.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to your Bridget.
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  Speaker 2: When you see the factional warlords playing out in Labor
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  Speaker 2: and the nuttiness from the Greens, it just shows how
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  Speaker 2: the coalition to be frank and let the side down
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  Speaker 2: by being decimated at this election. You guys have to
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  Speaker 2: put up a strong case, a strong counter argument for
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  Speaker 2: common sense and the rule of law and.
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  Speaker 3: At a market economy in this country.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Absolutely, I think we have to learn the lessons from
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  Speaker 11: the election, make sure that we regroup and have a
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  Speaker 11: viable proposition at the next election, and spend the next
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  Speaker 11: three years exposing the failures that we know are coming
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  Speaker 11: under Anthony Alberizi and his part is in the Senate
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  Speaker 11: with the Greens. Your packaged just earlier, Chris outlines just
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  Speaker 11: the breadth of issues that the Greens have I think
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  Speaker 11: anti Australian views on and that your viewers here tonight
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  Speaker 11: would not be wanting to see that type of legislation
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  Speaker 11: and that type of culture pervade the majority view here
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  Speaker 11: in Australia. So we'll be pushing it up to them
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  Speaker 11: each and every day going forward.
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  Speaker 2: Now, your leader David little Proud has been down in
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  Speaker 2: Allbrey today meeting with the Liberal leader Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, a part of the world you know very
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  Speaker 3: well is.
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  Speaker 2: The place where the Liberal Party was founded as well,
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  Speaker 2: so it's kind of apt, but they're really there because
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  Speaker 2: of course, Susan Lee faces that horrible personal trauma with
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  Speaker 2: her mum in end of life care.
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  Speaker 3: But they're thrashing out a new coalition arrangement.
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  Speaker 2: Now it sounds like you Nats want a lot more
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  Speaker 2: out of the Liberals because you've performed so much better comparatively.
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  Speaker 2: What sorts of jobs, what sorts of extra numbers or
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  Speaker 2: more important jobs are you after?
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  Speaker 11: Well, Chris, I think we need a coalition agreement that
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  Speaker 11: reflects the reality of the election. Yes, the coalition had
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  Speaker 11: a really bad showing, and these were collective decisions that
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  Speaker 11: Liberal and National Party leaders and organizations made. But the
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  Speaker 11: reality is on the ground when the dust has settled
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  Speaker 11: that the National Party did comparatively extremely well. The Liberal Party,
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  Speaker 11: as the electoral mats shows, really struggle, particularly in capital cities.
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  Speaker 11: And we believe that a coalition agreement has to be
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  Speaker 11: mutually beneficial to both parties, not just the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 11: And that's the conversation that David and Susan are having
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  Speaker 11: right now. As Howard always said, the mats is the mats.
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  Speaker 11: We now hold over a third of the House of
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  Speaker 11: Representative seats in the coalition and that means that we
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  Speaker 11: should have a more serious amount of portfolios. Not in
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  Speaker 11: number terms that's determined by the calculation, but in terms
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  Speaker 11: of the types of portfolios.
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  Speaker 3: It is true that.
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  Speaker 11: In one hundred and twenty years the National Party has
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  Speaker 11: held economic portfolios in the past, and given the weight
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  Speaker 11: of those type of challenges overcoming years, I would have
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  Speaker 11: thought that those are the types of things we need
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  Speaker 11: to be talking about, and David will be having those
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  Speaker 11: conversations with Susan along with the types of policies that
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  Speaker 11: we think are non negotiable.
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  Speaker 3: Let's have a look at what Susan Lee has had
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  Speaker 3: to say about this.
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  Speaker 16: Productive conversations about a range of matters, but very very convivial,
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  Speaker 16: very friendly and obviously, as I will always say, matters
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  Speaker 16: that the Nationals discussed in their party are for them
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  Speaker 16: and matters that the Liberal Party discuss in our party
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  Speaker 16: room are for us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, reading between the lines of what you were saying,
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  Speaker 2: bridget If Ted O'Brien, of course the Deputy Liberal Leader
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  Speaker 2: gets to choose his portfolio. If he were to say,
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  Speaker 2: choose to remain in Climate and Energy, which I think
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't be such a bad idea, the Shadow Treasurer gig
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  Speaker 2: would be up for grabs. And it sounds like you're
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  Speaker 2: suggesting maybe David Little Proud, maybe the NAT's leader would
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  Speaker 2: like to be shadow treasurer.
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  Speaker 11: Well, what I'm suggesting, I don't want more or less
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  Speaker 11: to be made from what I'm saying. The reality is
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  Speaker 11: we have significant numbers. We know what we're about, the
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  Speaker 11: challenges of energy, of productivity, of client you know, the
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  Speaker 11: energy wars, the issues around population and settlement, those type
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  Speaker 11: of issues and competition policy for instance, where the National
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  Speaker 11: Party has quite strong views are areas that are held
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  Speaker 11: by portfolios with any shadow within any shadow cabinet, and
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  Speaker 11: as we have done in the past, it is not
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  Speaker 11: unreasonable to think that the National Party could play a
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  Speaker 11: leading role in those type of we'll keep it eye
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  Speaker 11: on that policy areas. I don't want to see us
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  Speaker 11: blinked or restrained in the contribution where we can make
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  Speaker 11: as a successful party within the coalition over the next
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  Speaker 11: three years.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, flex your muscles, go for it.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about the economic debate, I want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: this labor plan. They're having a crack at it again
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  Speaker 2: to tax unrealized profits in some super accounts. Here's the
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  Speaker 2: treasure of Jim Chalmers defending this yesterday.
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  Speaker 12: We've made it clear that these changes are relatively modest,
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  Speaker 12: but they're important in the context of the budget, and
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  Speaker 12: define benefit schemes have been appropriately recognized as part of
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  Speaker 12: our effort.
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  Speaker 2: Now we haven't got much time, Bridge, but this is
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  Speaker 2: a line in the sound. This is the thin end
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  Speaker 2: of the wedge. If we have a government that starts
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  Speaker 2: to unrealized profits, then look.
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  Speaker 11: Out absolutely, Chris. You know, I love the defined benefit
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  Speaker 11: schemes of public servants are protected under labor but the
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  Speaker 11: family farm looks like you're going to be paying tax
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  Speaker 11: on unrealized gains on intergenerational assets.
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  Speaker 3: And it's going to have a huge issue.
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  Speaker 11: For self managed super funds as well. So we have
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  Speaker 11: grave concerns with this, as does Paul Keating, the grandfather
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  Speaker 11: of the superannuation scheme as well. So we're not alone
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  Speaker 11: in this being an absolutely abysmal economic policy for young people,
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  Speaker 11: for family farmers, for those who have self managed super funds,
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  Speaker 11: and for those in their twenties and thirties whose accounts
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  Speaker 11: will be significantly impacted over decades to come y.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big issue. We'll keep out it. Thanks so
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  Speaker 1: much for joining us, Bridget.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate Bridget McKenzie there, the Nationals Senate leader, joining
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  Speaker 2: us live live from Canberra. Before we go to our
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  Speaker 2: next guest, I want to show you again something that
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  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen, the Climate and Energy Minister, said yesterday when
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  Speaker 2: he was talking about his plans for renewable energy plus
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  Speaker 2: storage in this country and the mandate he's got from voters.
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  Speaker 1: Have a look.
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  Speaker 17: So I take that then that as well as an endorsement,
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  Speaker 17: as I said in a i'll ped today by silent
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  Speaker 17: majority to say keep going, get on with the job.
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  Speaker 1: Keep going, get on with the job. Now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't dispute the fact that he's won the election.
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  Speaker 2: They've won the election. They've got every right to proceed
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  Speaker 2: with the policies they outlined.
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  Speaker 3: But the key question is can they work.
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  Speaker 2: Let's catch up again with Aiden Morrison, who's the Energy
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  Speaker 2: program director for the Center for Independent Studies.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Aiden.
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  Speaker 2: Simple question then, is the plan that Chris Bowen is
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  Speaker 2: sticking to is saying it's now being endorsed by the electorate,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to double down and work hard on delivering it.
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  Speaker 1: Can it work?
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  Speaker 18: This is not a chance, not a chance that this
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  Speaker 18: is going to work. This is a slow motion train wreck.
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  Speaker 18: It's like we're sort of kicking around ice on the
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  Speaker 18: deck of the Titanic, thinking, oh, that was fun to
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  Speaker 18: brush up against that. We haven't taken seriously how badly
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  Speaker 18: things are shaping up. The signs are all there at
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  Speaker 18: the moment. They can't get any private investors to basically
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  Speaker 18: completely back renewable energy projects without them being underwritten by
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  Speaker 18: the Capacity Investment scheme. That's an open ended subsidy. We
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  Speaker 18: don't know what it's going to cost to force them
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  Speaker 18: to do things the market would otherwise not do. Rooftop
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  Speaker 18: sol is about to be curtailed this year, all right.
• 19:33
  Speaker 18: The market operator has told people we have to turn
• 19:35
  Speaker 18: off their solo because there's too much rooftop sol in
• 19:36
  Speaker 18: the system to keep it steady for an engineering system
• 19:39
  Speaker 18: and not repeat Spain. We have to start turning off
• 19:41
  Speaker 18: those rooftop solo. It's having this year. Unfortunately, the coalition
• 19:44
  Speaker 18: just chose not to actually attack the status quo and
• 19:46
  Speaker 18: demonstrate how badly the wheels are about to fall off.
• 19:50
  Speaker 18: And so I think the voters didn't get a real
• 19:52
  Speaker 18: chance to really express their discontent because they weren't informed
• 19:55
  Speaker 18: by just how badly this is going to go.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is couple of points that are really key
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: that really to the front of mine when it comes
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: to my thinking. The first one is, yes, labor won
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: the politics. Labor has a mandate. Labor says that renewables
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: are popular. We know they've always been popular, but none
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: of that changes the engineering or the economics. And you
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: know this plan can't work and at some stage we
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: have to confront that reality. And the second point, as
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: you say, when it comes to the coalition's campaigning, I
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: just thought it was really merely mouthed, is if it's
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: some choice between nuclear or something else, the real argument
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: is what we're doing now is a disaster. It can't work,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: So what are we going to do to fix it?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: What's our long term plan for the future. And that's
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: of course where nuclear comes in. But there's another option
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: that some people claim and Chris Bowen was banging on
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: about that again yesterday.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 20:52
  Speaker 17: Of course, it also plays a role in supporting heavy
• 20:54
  Speaker 17: industry while we're waiting for green hydrogen to become more commercial.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: He's still talking about green hydrogen even after almost a
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: dozen major projects in Australia have been scrapped and Twiggy
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Forest is sacking one hundred people who are supposed to
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: be working on this.
• 21:13
  Speaker 18: It's just crazy. He's the last man standing still putting
• 21:15
  Speaker 18: any hope in this at all. So we've got him still,
• 21:18
  Speaker 18: i don't know, just pushing it out, kicking the can
• 21:20
  Speaker 18: down the road, hoping. This whole plan is just built
• 21:23
  Speaker 18: on hopeful handwaving. The serious engineering has not been done
• 21:26
  Speaker 18: to kind of actually pin this down. All of our
• 21:29
  Speaker 18: EMO system stability things are about plans to make studies
• 21:31
  Speaker 18: to investigate further what the requirements will be. There's no
• 21:34
  Speaker 18: way they can sort of cost of that. The hydrogen
• 21:36
  Speaker 18: thing is just kind of way out there. It's such
• 21:38
  Speaker 18: an impractical gas to be able to store and move around.
• 21:42
  Speaker 18: It's never going to be a useful fuel and a
• 21:44
  Speaker 18: substitute for lots of the things that we assume that
• 21:47
  Speaker 18: fossil fuels currently do for us, particularly in heavy vehicles
• 21:49
  Speaker 18: and the like.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: So it's amazing. It's bizarre. Really.
• 21:52
  Speaker 18: I think this will age like milk to see him
• 21:54
  Speaker 18: saying things like that that we're still waiting for hydrogen
• 21:56
  Speaker 18: to happen, because the market's decided very clearly that hydrogen
• 21:59
  Speaker 18: is not happening.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so hydrogen's not happening.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: The massive buildout of renewables is hitting hurdles, and transmission
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: is hitting hurdles everywhere, as communities understandably react against it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: But even still, of course, we don't have the storage.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: There's no pumped hydro.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: To speak of.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: The snowy two point zero is still a disaster stuck
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: in a tunnel. Batteries are too expensive. I mean, you
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: inform us all the time of all of these hurdles.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: So what I want to know is what your role is.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: People like yourself and other experts we talk to. You're
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: not political, You're not interested in partisan arguments. You're into
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: an engineering and economics argument.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: What are you going to do now? Because you really
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: need to convince.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: A lot of the public, a lot of people in
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: business and in particular people in the labor Party, that.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: They're heading us down, taking us down a blind gully.
• 22:49
  Speaker 18: Yeah, that's a really good question, and I think that
• 22:52
  Speaker 18: the best thing that we can do is try to
• 22:53
  Speaker 18: keep the debate about the facts and try to anchor
• 22:56
  Speaker 18: the discourse in a serious and factional analysis. And the
• 23:00
  Speaker 18: challenge is is that there's another type of debate and
• 23:02
  Speaker 18: another contest which I think what played out in the
• 23:04
  Speaker 18: election is the coalition shows not to really fight aggressively
• 23:07
  Speaker 18: on the facts and shows instead to kind of walk
• 23:10
  Speaker 18: into the battle of nodding heads, which was a labor
• 23:13
  Speaker 18: and teel ambush, and all the heads are nodding along
• 23:15
  Speaker 18: to basically assumed falsehoods. Any number of different front groups
• 23:18
  Speaker 18: are the Smart Energy Council, a whole bunch of different
• 23:21
  Speaker 18: investor lobbies for renewables that come out, and they simply
• 23:24
  Speaker 18: just not along to things that are not actually tested
• 23:27
  Speaker 18: and not actually true, such as the idea that the
• 23:30
  Speaker 18: experts back the plan and that proven that renewable energies
• 23:33
  Speaker 18: are the cheapest. That is not what the purpose of
• 23:35
  Speaker 18: the Integrated System Plan ever was. The CEO has made
• 23:37
  Speaker 18: it perfectly clear the purpose of the ISPs not to
• 23:40
  Speaker 18: assess government policy or evaluate or compare to anything else,
• 23:43
  Speaker 18: and simply to repeat back what the policy is and
• 23:46
  Speaker 18: say what would have to happen for us to reach
• 23:48
  Speaker 18: that point. So trying to get people to actually focus
• 23:50
  Speaker 18: on the fact is a challenging thing, and I hope
• 23:53
  Speaker 18: that politicians really try to pull the debate to that.
• 23:55
  Speaker 18: But I mean, we will sit and wait and see
• 23:57
  Speaker 18: what happens, but I am sure that the wheels will
• 23:59
  Speaker 18: continue to come off there just at the moment I'm
• 24:03
  Speaker 18: not visible. The Titanic is flooding but at the decks,
• 24:06
  Speaker 18: but the ship is still just level enough, and we're
• 24:09
  Speaker 18: only starting to see the bills rise. So it's just
• 24:12
  Speaker 18: a matter of waiting to see when reality finally catches
• 24:14
  Speaker 18: up and mugs us.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, great to talk to you again. Aiden. We will
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: keep on it.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: It's such a crucial issue and we'll keep tapping into
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: experts like yourself who are generous sharing your expertise. Thanks
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: for joining us again, Ada Morrison there again from the cis.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: The other thing we keep doing is showing you what's
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: happening overseas, because that's leading the way for us. No
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: one else, no comparable country, is even attempting to do
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: what Australia is stupidly.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Trying to do. Now we've got to take a break.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: On the other side of that, we'll catch up with
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer to get his thoughts
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: on the PM's visit to Indonesia. Also, Donald Trump meeting
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: with the Syrian president. Now, as I mentioned at the
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: top of the program, of course, Prime Minister Anthony Alberezi
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: is Jakarta meeting with the Indonesian President Po Subianto. Here's
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: a little of what each of them have had to
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: say earlier today at victory.
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: I wanted to make sure that.
• 25:18
  Speaker 12: So delationship to be.
• 25:21
  Speaker 13: Able to choose our friends, but we cannot choose our neighbors.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: You can choose your friends, but you can't choose your neighbors.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: That I want to take from that one.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: We'll see what Alexander down, the former Foreign minister of
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: this country, makes of it all.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Alexander.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Look, the trip appears to be going well, but Proboo
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: saying you.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Can't choose your neighbors sort of speaks.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: To some of the friction, some of the cultural differences
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: between our countries over the years.
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: I suppose, well, he's to be fair, he's speaking in
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: a foreign language and very little literally interpreted. It's not
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: very flattering, But I don't think he means it in
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: that way. I mean, I think the visit by Albanesi
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: is well judged. I think it's a good idea for
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: him to go to Jakarta and to build the personal
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: relationship he needs with the Indonesian president, given that so
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: many issues arise between us, but I noticed he was
• 26:23
  Speaker 9: back on that old labor trope that Australian businesses should
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: be investing more in Indonesia. I worry that Australian businesses
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: aren't making sufficient profits, and I wouldn't be directing them
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: to areas where they may not make a lot of money.
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: I would rather they invested wherever they thought they could
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: get the best returns. And the problem with Indonesia is
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: the sovereign risk is very high for investors there, and
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: that's why Australian companies don't invest there, but rather invest
• 26:55
  Speaker 9: in the US and the UK.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, but when you look at the opportunities there
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: are two hundred and eighty million people. I was surprised
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: to check today that when you look at two way
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: trade between the two countries, it doesn't make the top
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: ten of our trading partners. It would suggest there's a
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: lot of upside there to be built from both sides.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Of both sides of the relationship, but a lot of
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: economic upside. Yeah, you don't want governments directing people, but
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: we ought to be working hard at it, shouldn't we.
• 27:26
  Speaker 9: Well, if there's money to be made. This is the problem.
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: The reason, for example, are superannuation funds and that's a
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: huge pool of savings in Australia when they invest overseas,
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: and about half of all those funds are invested overseas.
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: They invest in predominantly in the English speaking countries in
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: the US, the UK, some in the European Union and Japan,
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: but they don't invest very heavily in Southeast Asia outside
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: of single because they see the sovereign risk and the
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: rate of return being relatively small. I've known many companies
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: that have invested in Indonesia and if you get into trouble,
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: the courts can be extremely unhelpful.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Put it that way.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Now, Penny Wong and Tony Burker are in Jakata with
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi. Susan Lee yet to pick her front back
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: bench back in Australia. She's lost the shadow Foreign Affairs
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Minister in David Coleman as the country's longest serving a
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: foreign minister. Who do you think in Liberal ranks should
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: be stepping up to be shadow Foreign Minister?
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean I think the Deputy leader of the
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: Liberal Party, Ted O'Brien should be the shadow Treasurer, and
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: he'll almost certainly take that job. I think this is
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: a bit out of left field, but as long serving
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: foreign minister myself, the person I would choose is the
• 28:56
  Speaker 9: shadow Foreign Minister is Dave Sharma, the Senator for New
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: South Wales. He was the Australian ambassador in Israel, a
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: career defat officer, incredibly experienced, much more experienced in foreign
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: affairs than anybody else I know in the Federal Parliament.
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: But more than that, for the opposition, they need people
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: who will talk in the media, who'll speak out, who
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: will campaign, and Dave Sharma is a very good media operator.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Well regularly hav him here on this program, that's for sure.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: And it's time for some of these younger people to
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: get a promotion. We'll keep an eye on that. Hopefully
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: we'll know more next week. Just before I let you go, though,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: a bit more on Donald Trump and his visit to
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the Middle East. Here's what he had to say about
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Gaza and.
• 29:48
  Speaker 12: My administration shares the hope of so many in this
• 29:51
  Speaker 12: region for future of safety and dignity of the Palestinian people.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: But that cannot happen.
• 29:58
  Speaker 17: As long as guys as leaders take.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Delayed in reaping, torturing and murdering innocent people can have it.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he talks about a decent future for Palestinian people.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Good, he holds out out hope.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: But there's the moral clarity about how none of this
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: can proceed while we have Huma still holding twenty live hostages,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: not to mention the bodies that they hold as bargaining.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Chips, exactly.
• 30:25
  Speaker 9: I mean, Donald Trump is completely right. There will never
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: be peace for the Palestinian people until they choose leaders,
• 30:33
  Speaker 9: and they have leaders who are prepared to negotiate peace
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: and respect the human rights of the Israelis. They have
• 30:41
  Speaker 9: to accept Israel's right to exist with insecure borders, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: they have to be prepared to negotiate the borders of
• 30:49
  Speaker 9: a future Palestinian state. They've never had the leaders who
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: have been prepared to do that, and they will never succeed.
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: The Palestinian people will never see exceed for as long
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: as Hamas leads the people of Gaza, and God forbid
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: that they would lead the people on the West Bank
• 31:10
  Speaker 9: as well. So I think the Arabs understand that more generally,
• 31:15
  Speaker 9: I mean, I think they would fully understand that the
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: Saudis the Egyptians and so on. But in the West,
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: we need to understand that in the way that President
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: trumb Trump does understand it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll he met with the Syrian president too, but
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: he also had a very clear warning for Iran.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Have a look, I want to make a deal with Iran.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I want to do something of as possible.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: But for that to happen, and must stop sponsoring terror,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: halt its bloody proxy wars, and permanently and verifiably ceasege
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: pursuit of nuclear weapons.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: They cannot have a nuclear weapon.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, it looks to be a pretty smart place
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: to be saying this, right because the Saudis and the
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: other Gulf states will be fully on board with him
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: here and trying to kurtail Iran.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 32:05
  Speaker 9: I mean, I personally think his visit there is very
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: well judged and the comments he's been making are very wise.
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: I mean, the only way to deal with Iran, which
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: is a theocratic ideological regime, is to be tough with them.
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: As he would say, if Donald Trump would say maximum
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: pressure on Iran. Iran has to stop sponsoring terrorism, and
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: it's learned a pretty bloody lesson from the sponsoring of terrorism.
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: That has been doing since the seventh of October twenty
• 32:41
  Speaker 9: twenty three. But they need to know they will not
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: be allowed to go ahead with the nuclear weapon. And
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: the Americans in the Israelis have made it clear they
• 32:51
  Speaker 9: will destroy Iran's nuclear facilities if they keep going down
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: this path, so they may as well come to the party.
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: They may as well make a verifiable agreement, and then
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: the sanctions will be lifted as well, which will help
• 33:09
  Speaker 9: the Iranian people who are not too happy with their regime.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Indeed, thanks again for joining us, Alexander.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Alexander down of there live from.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Adelaide, and it was good to see Donald Trump reading
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: from the script on.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Those key issues too.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I love that when politicians can speak off the cuff,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: but dealing in these particular issues, he had some clear
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: messages and he stuck.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: To them, which is kind of wise. Now we're going
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: to take a break.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: After that, we're going to catch up with Tim Blair
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and Market Nicholson will talk about Lydia Thorpe.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Denying that she wants to return to the Greens.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: We'll look back at some of her worst moments.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Now we often catch up with the Liberal member for
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Flinders in Victoria Zoey Mackenzie. She was good enough to
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: speak to us throughout the campaign, except when she was
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: n even when she was laid up at home with COVID.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Actually looks like she's going to hang on to that seat.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: She was given a bit of a scare by the
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Independent candidate Ben Smith, but she's about five thousand votes
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: ahead now, so home and hoes.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: That's good news for her, and she joins us now.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, zohe.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: It's always a stressful time, but it's good to be
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: onwards and upwards, and you must be.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Look, I've spoken a few of your colleagues.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a horrible sense that you've got thumped
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: and your numbers are so thinned out. But there are
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: people of your age and experience. It's your time to shine, right,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: It's time for Susan Lee to throw a few of
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: you people onto the front bench and freshen up the
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: team and start landing some blows.
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: Oh, thank you, Chris, and thank you for your patience. Indeed,
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: what we've been counting and recounting and checking and rechecking
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: the ballots here in Flinders, I'm really optimistic about the future.
• 34:47
  Speaker 8: Susan and Ted have hit the ground running doing a
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: fantastic job. They've spoken to all of us as their colleagues.
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: They have indeed spoken to those who lost their seats.
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: You are right, we lost some extraordinary talent in this election,
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: say my dear friend and Keith Willahan chief amongst them,
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: but also really seasoned and ex sectional campaigners like Michael
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: Sugar as well. So it's been a big blow Hugh
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: in Victoria. I am, however, glad to say that we
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: have doubled the number of Liberal women in the Lower
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: House from Victoria with myself and Mary Aldridge being elected.
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: But there were so many other people who had put
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: themselves forward, great candidates like Katie Allen, who did not
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: succeed on the night. So some terrible losses, but some
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: silver linings as well.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just do a little bit of naval gazing,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: a little bit of post mortem if you like. I
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: want to show you a little bit of what Andrew
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Hasty had to say on Sky News this morning, and
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: he reflected on some of the mistakes of the campaign.
• 35:46
  Speaker 19: The truth of it is that it was released much
• 35:48
  Speaker 19: too late. We only gave it ten days before the election.
• 35:53
  Speaker 19: It should have been released before the election, and we
• 35:56
  Speaker 19: would have had a much longer time to talk about it.
• 35:59
  Speaker 19: The decisions were taken centrally, and that's something we're going
• 36:04
  Speaker 19: to learn from going forward.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Andrew Hasey, the shadow Defense minister at the time, talking
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: about the late release of the defense policy, clearly he
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: wanted to we now know wanted to release it earlier.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: What he says makes a lot of sense.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Do you need to have this sort of public airing
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: of all the mistakes or do you keep this internal?
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Zoe?
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: We look.
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: I think people need to see that we are really
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: examining what we did wrong right. We are being honest
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: about it. We are being frank about it.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I called out to my.
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: Local community yesterday in terms of my Liberal members, and said,
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: tell me what you do differently, particularly how we as
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: a party reach those who are under forty and how
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: we bring professional women on the journey with us. Our
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: policies suit the needs of professional women too, but we
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: don't explain it terribly well. The point Andrew was making
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: about the delay of policy was really important. I have
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: an electorate where thirty four percent of people are over
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: sixty years of age. They like to read what we're
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: planning on doing. And when you put out a small
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: business policy, or an education policy, or indeed a defense policy,
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: after the time that our printed materials are done, it's
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: virtually impossible to get the message out as to what
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: you're putting on the table and what is a critical
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: contribution to the choice people are going to make. So
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: I share Andrew's frustration, I particularly on a small business one.
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: You know, even the utax so important and here everybody
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: drives forward ranges everywhere. Those were really important additions to
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: people's reflections on who's going to be best to run
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: the country, and we just left it too late.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Yep, you can't be shy about this.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: You got to talk about the mistakes because you've got
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: to start, as you mentioned earlier, hit the ground running.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: You can't.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: There's so much to challenge this government on from the
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: get go, so you can't just wallow.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Have all the examination private and long term.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I just want to get your thoughts quickly on a
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: big development news wise, out of Victoria. I want to
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: show these pictures that we've been showing on Sky News
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: this afternoon because police have released footage, dramatic footage of
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: the moment. The Adas Synagogue was torched in.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Melbourne last year.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Now they've made a couple of arrests, they obviously hope
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: to arrest more people. Here's what Assistant Commissioner Stephen Nutt
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: said today, This.
• 38:25
  Speaker 20: Arson was an anti Semitic crime.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: To set a light a.
• 38:29
  Speaker 20: Synagogue is to strike at the heart of the Jewish community.
• 38:33
  Speaker 20: But if the purpose of this arson was to weaken
• 38:36
  Speaker 20: the resolve of the Jewish community, my observation is it
• 38:40
  Speaker 20: hasn't worked. And on the CCTV footage we're releasing today,
• 38:44
  Speaker 20: you will see the opposite cowards who cover their faces,
• 38:49
  Speaker 20: who carry out an attack on a place of worship.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's good to hear some arrests have been made,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: but they need to get the culprits and press charges here, Zoh,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: it's an important, such an important case.
• 39:02
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: Look, it's really dramatic video and I'm really relieved to
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: see both the action taken by the police today, but
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: equally the engagement with the local Jewish community. There is
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: still real concern within the community. That's something that was
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: so terrorizing that happened at that synagogue. Has it this
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: far gone unaddressed, but it looks like there's action afoot.
• 39:26
  Speaker 13: It's terrific.
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: I won't say anymore. I'm a lawyer by training. We
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: know not to think these things are being considered. But
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: it's great the engagement, the information that's been provided to
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: the local community as well.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Great staff.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Zoe, I appreciate it. Zoe Mackenzie,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: the Liberal MP for Flinders. She's back and I would
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: be staggered if Susan Lee doesn't find a job on
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: the front bench for Zoe Mackenzie as well.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: After talking about Dave Sharma.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Earlier, we will see a lot to get through there
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: for the Liberal leader.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: But we'll know more next week, no doubt.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Let's go to him and Mark now to wrap things
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: up for the week. The Daily telegraphs Tim Blair joins
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: us from Western Victoria and Mark Nicholson from step Mate
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Studios in the heart of Greenland in the Fitzroy in Melbourne.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Good to speak to see you both again.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: We've got to we got a new Green's leader. She's
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: from Queensland. Strangely they had their leadership meeting in Melbourne.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: They want to escape the heats of Queensland for some reason.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Haven't listened to what she said she wants to do.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: We had to beep this way out.
• 40:29
  Speaker 13: We will give you the numbers in the Senate to
• 40:31
  Speaker 13: past good reforms that helps people and helps the planet. Okay,
• 40:35
  Speaker 13: people elected us to get done and that's what we
• 40:38
  Speaker 13: intend to do.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Mark, she expects to get stuff done apparently.
• 40:45
  Speaker 21: Yeah, sure, I completely I believe her. But I can
• 40:50
  Speaker 21: tell you what I was so excited today saying that
• 40:53
  Speaker 21: the next leader of the Greens was not from Melbourne.
• 40:55
  Speaker 21: Even though it was a meeting in Melbourne. I'm just
• 40:57
  Speaker 21: so glad that it was a queen Land. Now we
• 41:01
  Speaker 21: got rid of Band. Melbourne's coming back, Chris, It's happening.
• 41:04
  Speaker 21: We got rid of Band now all those crazy Queenslanders.
• 41:07
  Speaker 21: The Caliphate is up in Queensland, not in Melbourne anymore.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I think things have changed. I think the tides turning.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: This is very exciting for us. So we need this.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: We need this down in Victoria.
• 41:16
  Speaker 12: Please.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: It makes you wonder, Tim, why they had the leadership
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: meeting in Melbourne. Was it just to rub Adam Vand's
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: face in it.
• 41:23
  Speaker 22: It does seem a little mean, doesn't it. But I
• 41:25
  Speaker 22: also I love that they didn't have a vote on
• 41:28
  Speaker 22: the leadership. They arrived at a decision by consensus, which
• 41:32
  Speaker 22: means they did have a vote, but they just didn't
• 41:35
  Speaker 22: count it because otherwise how did they do it by
• 41:40
  Speaker 22: mind melding?
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Did?
• 41:41
  Speaker 22: They kind of just look at each other and the
• 41:43
  Speaker 22: name of the water has just emerged because they've just
• 41:47
  Speaker 22: go do things a little bit differently. At least they
• 41:48
  Speaker 22: haven't gone fully down the British Greends path, which is
• 41:51
  Speaker 22: that everyone's a leader, everyone gets a job share. So
• 41:55
  Speaker 22: they've got one figure.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Well, it was a bit like that because Marine Ferruki
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: is still the deputy and they've given Sarah Hanson Young,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: who was the other leadership aspirant. They've given her some
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: job as sort of whip or no leader of leader
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: of Business in the Senate or whatever, and that's that's
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: where she'll be.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Able to put some of these skills to good use.
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: Have you sold out your environment credentials forrow? It often
• 42:23
  Speaker 11: stinking in intervention, salmon, Salmon.
• 42:28
  Speaker 13: We are living in a time and world of climate catastrophe.
• 42:35
  Speaker 13: These are climate fires and they are raging.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Oh that's it, Mark, that's the position they gave her
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: under consensus rules, Chief fishmonger.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 42:50
  Speaker 21: I genuinely thought that Sarah hans and Young was going
• 42:54
  Speaker 21: to get the NOD today. I did not expect Larissa
• 42:57
  Speaker 21: Waters to get there to get the captain's captain's cap today.
• 43:00
  Speaker 21: I thought I thought it was gonna be Sarah Hansson Young.
• 43:01
  Speaker 21: I thought the smartest choice was the Salmon. I thought
• 43:04
  Speaker 21: the Salmon would have done a great job.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Of leading the party.
• 43:06
  Speaker 21: It's a shame, and it's a shame that Marine Frucky
• 43:09
  Speaker 21: didn't get a gig as well. It just turns out
• 43:11
  Speaker 21: that racism and Islamophobia is alive and well in the
• 43:14
  Speaker 21: Greens party room.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Boys.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Very true, very true.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Indeed, there is another Victorian senator who was thinking about
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: coming back to the Greens, but apparently she's decided not to.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: What kind of.
• 43:27
  Speaker 13: Person do you think I am?
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, she keeps posing that question, and there are
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: so many examples to answer the question.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Here is one.
• 43:38
  Speaker 23: This is a they're killing our men and are still
• 43:50
  Speaker 23: raping our women.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, Tim, the Greens are just so boring in the
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: mainstream without her back in their ranks.
• 44:00
  Speaker 22: That's actually a really good point. I just first observed
• 44:04
  Speaker 22: that prior to the announcement from our former Greens Prior
• 44:08
  Speaker 22: to announcement that she wasn't coming back, Larissa Water's blood
• 44:12
  Speaker 22: pressure was probably something like two ten over one hundred
• 44:14
  Speaker 22: and twenty, and after it was announced that she wasn't
• 44:16
  Speaker 22: coming back, probably back down to one twenty over eighty.
• 44:19
  Speaker 22: Good healthy. But I'd plant that the great danger for
• 44:23
  Speaker 22: the Greens here is that the Ristal Waters comes off
• 44:25
  Speaker 22: as relatively normal. This is actually not their sort of
• 44:30
  Speaker 22: their target audience. She might be too kind of middle
• 44:34
  Speaker 22: of the road, middle class, middle brow for a party
• 44:37
  Speaker 22: that's really all over the shop. So let's see, let's
• 44:40
  Speaker 22: see if she can hold things together when you've got
• 44:44
  Speaker 22: a party room that's just crazy.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, because mark I think that's.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Her appeal for the place she comes across.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Her public presentation looks pretty mainstream, except what she's saying
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: is just as nutty as the rest of them, And
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: so that could work with a sort of mainstream audience,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: but it'll drive the likes of Sarah Hanson Young and
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Marine Ferruki and Lydia Thorpe nuts one.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: They don't want that image.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: They don't want anyone looking like they could be just
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: another person pushing a trolley at.
• 45:15
  Speaker 21: Cole's that's right, and I honestly that's why I was
• 45:20
  Speaker 21: so surprised, is because I thought I thought of the
• 45:23
  Speaker 21: Greens party room today when they were meeting a lot
• 45:24
  Speaker 21: like the movie The Death of Stalin.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: If you haven't seen, it's a black comedy.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: It's hilarious.
• 45:28
  Speaker 21: It's that Stalin's dead on the floor and there's everyone
• 45:30
  Speaker 21: else backstabbing an incompetence surrounding a row all around it
• 45:34
  Speaker 21: as to who's going to be the next leader. It's hilarious,
• 45:36
  Speaker 21: And I honestly thought it was going to be like
• 45:37
  Speaker 21: Larisa is like what she's like the most non crazy
• 45:42
  Speaker 21: person in a room full of crazy people, which is
• 45:43
  Speaker 21: still saying a lot, but I still reckon we're going
• 45:46
  Speaker 21: to see a lot of fireworks from Ferruki and Hanson
• 45:48
  Speaker 21: Young for not having that top gig. But then Lydia Thorpe,
• 45:52
  Speaker 21: she's got nowhere else to go. She needs to get elected.
• 45:54
  Speaker 21: She's not going to be able to get it done
• 45:56
  Speaker 21: on her own ticket, so she's going to try and
• 45:58
  Speaker 21: get back in the Green surely she wants, not that
• 46:01
  Speaker 21: she's been turning up for work this last term much
• 46:04
  Speaker 21: at all, but if she was to have another couple
• 46:05
  Speaker 21: of years in this horrible place, this horrible workplace that
• 46:09
  Speaker 21: is the Senate with its scary hallways. She's got to
• 46:13
  Speaker 21: get back on the Greens ticket somehow, so maybe fireworks
• 46:15
  Speaker 21: will emerge close.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: To the election, that's what she'll want to do. I
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: want to show you something that Chris Bowen said this week.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I've got here in print, the great Climate and Energy Minister.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: He said residents of suburban and regional Australia have a
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: lot more nuanced and supportive approach to renewable energy than
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: conservative commentators who don't actually spend much time in regional
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: and suburban heartlands. Now, I want to put that quote
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: to you, Tim Blair, as you sit in the Wimer
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: district of Western Victoria. How long since you've been into
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: the regional heartland.
• 46:50
  Speaker 22: Well, I've lived here I think for three or four years,
• 46:52
  Speaker 22: and prior to that, you know, my family is from here.
• 46:56
  Speaker 22: The first job I ever got nineteen eighty one was
• 46:59
  Speaker 22: in REGIONALSS. I've got many relatives still on the land
• 47:02
  Speaker 22: out here, and i'd kind of back my view of
• 47:07
  Speaker 22: the area's take on renewable energy over Chris Bowen's we
• 47:12
  Speaker 22: did have we did of course the Prime minis to
• 47:14
  Speaker 22: visit the sort of the main town in the Wimromalley
• 47:17
  Speaker 22: or the Porsham In twenty twenty three, he lasted for
• 47:21
  Speaker 22: about five seconds before he was chased out by people
• 47:23
  Speaker 22: yelling yelling at him about you know, renewal energy and
• 47:27
  Speaker 22: the invasive power line. So I don't think Chris Bowen
• 47:31
  Speaker 22: and you know not for the first time. His finger
• 47:33
  Speaker 22: is a long way off the pulse. Also like, isn't
• 47:36
  Speaker 22: this the Is this the first time we've heard from
• 47:37
  Speaker 22: him since the election was called?
• 47:40
  Speaker 10: The election?
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: They hit him during the campaign, that's for sure.
• 47:46
  Speaker 22: I just I'd like to add, by the way, when
• 47:48
  Speaker 22: Mark says that the death of Stalin is hilarious, that
• 47:51
  Speaker 22: is actually true. Although I'm not even talking about the movie.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: You're talking about the ice Pig.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining guys, Mark Nicholson and Tim Blair.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Tim Blair from a regional and rural Australia, how about that,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Chris Bahn. Just a bit of feedback from my interview
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: last night with Talia Kahn and Tessa Wexler, those young
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: women featured in the October the eighth documentary, and.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Your feedback to what they had to say.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Joe says it's insane that these protests at American universities
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: were allowed to get so out of hand, and another
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: viewer says, I weep for the West, and we'll squeeze
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: one more in. Most of the protesters are cowards inspired
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: by social.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Media that they are.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Thanks for watching the program all week. It's a pleasure
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: to bring it to you. Don't forget tomorrow night at
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: this time, Danika de Giorgio. But up next after this
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: short break, cayleb Bond filling in for Peter Quiblin.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Cheers,