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Womb raiders cut Savanna Greywind open to steal baby, dump dead mom near river · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The prosecution says Heine returned
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Speaker 1: home from work to find his girlfriend Brook Crews cutting
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Speaker 1: the baby from the womb of a semiconscious Savannah Graywin.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutor Ryan Jungren says Cruz looked up and said help me.
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Speaker 1: He rolls up the sleeves, goes and gets a rope,
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Speaker 1: puts it around her neck, pulls it tight. If she's
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Speaker 1: not dead, she is now. But defense attorney Daniel Brgan
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Speaker 1: says the timeline is different. Will came home and he
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Speaker 1: found book Brook in the bathroom, blood all over the floor,
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Speaker 1: a baby wrapped in a towel in the bathtub. Morgan
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Speaker 1: says Haine helped clean up the crime scene and dump
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Speaker 1: Graywin's body, wrapped in a sheet, garbage bags and duct
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Speaker 1: tape into the Red River, where Kayakers found it a
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Speaker 1: few days later. When he walked into that bathroom door
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Speaker 1: and he saw the woman in love next to a
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Speaker 1: dead body, begging him for help, he helped her. He
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Speaker 1: shouldn't have. We all know he should have immediately called
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Speaker 1: the police, but he didn't. He made the wrong choice.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. How do you go from wanting a
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Speaker 1: baby to allegedly targeting a pregnant friend and cutting the
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Speaker 1: baby out of her stomach? I can recall when that
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Speaker 1: was first raised as a defense in the Scott Peterson case,
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Speaker 1: that Scott Peterson had nothing to do with his pregnant wife,
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Speaker 1: Lacy's disapp parents that maybe some nefarious unknown woman had
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Speaker 1: kidnapped her and cut her womb open to steal the baby.
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Speaker 1: I totally pooh pooed it. Ay, it did not fit
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Speaker 1: with the physical evidence that the baby washed Ashore Baby
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Speaker 1: Connor twenty four hours later, the mom washed Ashore, apparently
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Speaker 1: the baby coming out of her uterus after her uterus
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Speaker 1: had decomposed in the water. But still that thought stuck
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Speaker 1: in my mind. The crazy defense allegation by a great
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer, Mark Gary goes that some woman had stalked
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Speaker 1: Lacy and stolen her baby from her stomach. Well, never
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Speaker 1: say never, John Limley, Crime online dot Com and Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter. Let's just start with what we just heard.
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Speaker 1: We know the victim. It's a gorgeous young woman, Savannah
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Speaker 1: Graywind who's ab turned up wrapped in a plastic tarp
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Speaker 1: but in the Red River. Okay, her stomach had been
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Speaker 1: sliced open. Okay, so that's no accident number one, and
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Speaker 1: somebody strong enough to wrap her in a tarp and
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Speaker 1: drag her to the water. Had to be involved. Let's
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Speaker 1: just start with the discovery of the body, because I
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Speaker 1: find this defense lawyer's story fantastical that the boyfriend just
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Speaker 1: walked in and finds a baby wrapped in a blanket
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Speaker 1: in the tub and goes as she dead, because that's
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Speaker 1: not what I would have said. Okay, but let's just
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Speaker 1: start with finding the body of this gorgeous young mom,
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Speaker 1: Savannah gray Wind in the Red River. Yes, she was
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Speaker 1: a beauty. She had a natural beauty about her. She
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Speaker 1: was a young woman in her early twenties. She had
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Speaker 1: just earned a certified nursing assistant license. She was working
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Speaker 1: at a local nursing home. All of this happened days
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Speaker 1: before the body is discuss bard on one of the
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Speaker 1: last Saturdays of August. In Fargo, North Dakota. Savannah Lafontaine
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Speaker 1: gray Wind is a Spirit Lake tribe member living on
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Speaker 1: a ground level North Fargo apartment with her mother, father,
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Speaker 1: a sister, and a brother. She and her boyfriend. Okay,
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Speaker 1: right stop right there, stop right there, Kathleen Murphy, North
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Speaker 1: Carolina family lawyer. Don't you know that family was overjoyed
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Speaker 1: when they found out Savannah was going to have a baby.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, Kathleen, one of the best
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Speaker 1: things I know, the best thing I have ever done,
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Speaker 1: is to have the twins. And I will never forget
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Speaker 1: how happy my dad and my mom were when we
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Speaker 1: all found out A. I was pregnant in b it
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Speaker 1: was twins. It's one of the happiest times. I'm just
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Speaker 1: so glad my father was here to see it before
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Speaker 1: he went to heaven. Nancy, you don't know this, but
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Speaker 1: my daughter is expecting a baby in December, a little girl. Congratulations. Yea.
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Speaker 1: We also have a one year old little grandson. So
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Speaker 1: to hear that, to hear that your daughter was ripped
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Speaker 1: open and that she was in and out of consciousness
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Speaker 1: during this, and that she had gone up to help
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Speaker 1: this girl do a motherly thing such as sewing, breaks
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Speaker 1: my heart. Breaks my heart, And there's no doubt in
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Speaker 1: my mind that the parties were in on this together. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time blaming the boyfriend had nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with it. To doctor Jean gourney Act, renowned
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Speaker 1: a medical examiner, joining us today out of the Fulton
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Speaker 1: County jurisdiction, Doctor gourney att how long can a baby
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Speaker 1: survive inside the womb after mommy is dead. Oh well,
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Speaker 1: it depends, but I would say minutes, because once mom
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Speaker 1: blood supply stops, you know, supplying blood to the baby,
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Speaker 1: then the oxygen level is going to go down to
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Speaker 1: the baby. So it sounds like it wasn't an immediate death,
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Speaker 1: and that she probably was shocky, so she was going
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Speaker 1: into shocks and so when that happens, your body shunts
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Speaker 1: all the blood to the vital organs I either heart
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Speaker 1: in the brain, and so I would say that the
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Speaker 1: baby was still getting some blood flow in some oxygen.
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Speaker 1: But once the blood flow stops, then it's minute that
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Speaker 1: the baby has to survive, you know, forensic psychiatrist, And
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Speaker 1: boy do we need to shrink Doctor Daniel Bober joining me,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bober, I haven't even finished the fact scenario or
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Speaker 1: with John Linley, or the crime scene investigation with Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. Like doctor Bober, how do you go from
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Speaker 1: wanting a baby to actually killing a woman, cutting her
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Speaker 1: stomach open as she is alive to take her baby.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand that, thinking, well, you know, Nancy, some people,
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Speaker 1: you know, have certain traits of their personality where if
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Speaker 1: they can't get what they want, then they're going to
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Speaker 1: make someone else suffer. So I've actually seen this before,
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Speaker 1: but it's almost incomprehensible. Jess got working with me Death
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Speaker 1: sing the investigator, professor forensics Jacksonville State University and author
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Speaker 1: of a book on Amazon, Blood Beneath My Fate. Jess
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Speaker 1: got hold on a moment. I've got to established a
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Speaker 1: crime scene before you jump in, John Limley, Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. Okay, so I didn't mean to
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Speaker 1: interrupt you. I've got to get the crime scene because
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Speaker 1: that's critical, John Limley. So the story is the boyfriend
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Speaker 1: claims he walks in and finds the baby in the
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Speaker 1: bathtub in a blanket, and says, is the mom dead?
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Speaker 1: Because really, that's not what my reaction would have been. Right.
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Speaker 1: In fact, just moments after he sees this, she, as
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Speaker 1: we've heard, you know, ties the the rope around the
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Speaker 1: mom's neck and says, if she wasn't dead before, she
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Speaker 1: certainly is now. He also claimed, wait, wait, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: but I just can't hear those words without stopping because
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Speaker 1: I remember after case murder my fiance. I just felt
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Speaker 1: that this horrible act, this vicious act had occurred, and
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Speaker 1: nobody even stopped. The world just kept chugging right along.
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Speaker 1: I stopped for a moment. She wasn't and she is now.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what kind of barbarian animal? Savage says something
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Speaker 1: like that about a pregnant mom. And earlier we were saying,
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Speaker 1: why would you do this? We'll listen to this for
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Speaker 1: a little insight. Morgan says Cruise Misledhane for months, telling
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Speaker 1: him she was pregnant to keep him from leaving her.
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Speaker 1: Morgan says there was no conspiracy to commit a murder
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Speaker 1: William Lovebrook. They argued a lot things were In the end,
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Speaker 1: she told she was pregnant. William believed her. He wanted
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Speaker 1: to believe her. He wanted this to be true. But
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Speaker 1: Prosecutor young Gran says Cruz and Hayne conspired to get
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Speaker 1: a baby. Defendant William Hayne is willing to break the
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Speaker 1: law and really both to all of us, to human beings,
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Speaker 1: that we won't kill each other and that society functions
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Speaker 1: the way it's supposed to. He was willing to conspire
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Speaker 1: to meet an unspeakable act of murdering a pregnant woman
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Speaker 1: and cutting out her baby. Young Gran says Hayne and
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Speaker 1: Cruz named the baby girl Phoenix. The child was returned
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Speaker 1: to her birth father and renamed Hazeley Joe. Her boyfriend
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Speaker 1: and her were texting on Saturday afternoon, round one thirty.
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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the text just stopped and there's
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Speaker 1: been no communication with you? You him, nobody sends that none.
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Speaker 1: I text from her at one twenty four and that
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Speaker 1: was the last. And is there anything that's been going
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Speaker 1: on in the past few days weeks that you're like,
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Speaker 1: actually just seems to be acting a little bit different
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Speaker 1: or no, never, nothing at all. What was your last
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Speaker 1: communication with her? And what was it like? Um, she
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Speaker 1: took me to work that morning round ten, Probably that's
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Speaker 1: the last I've seen her. You are hearing the host
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Speaker 1: of point of View, our friend Chris Burg talking with
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Speaker 1: Savannah's mother, Norberta gray Wind, talking about her daughter, Savannah,
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Speaker 1: who had been texting back and forth, back and forth,
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Speaker 1: back and forth until one thirty in the afternoon in Bam.
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Speaker 1: Then all the texting stopped. What happened? How did this
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Speaker 1: gorgeous young mom to be, Savannah gray Wind end up
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Speaker 1: wrapped in plastic in the Red River? Her torso totally
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Speaker 1: sliced open and her baby gone. John Linley Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, I want to pick up right there,
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Speaker 1: why we believe that Savannah Gravewind was at Brooke Cruz's home.
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Speaker 1: Why was she there? Because she was a generous woman
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Speaker 1: from all accounts, as she had done many times before,
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Speaker 1: was agreeing to help out in neighbor. Savannah was going
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Speaker 1: to help out a woman that lived in a third
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Speaker 1: floor unit, Apartment five of their same building. The woman
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Speaker 1: wanted to know if Savannah would model a dress that
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Speaker 1: she was sewing so that she could pin it. The
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Speaker 1: woman was Brooke Lynn Cruz, who lived there with her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend William Henry Hayne. Crews even offered Savannah twenty dollars
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Speaker 1: in return for her help, and Savannah agreed. Savannah went upstairs,
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Speaker 1: as we've discussed, around one thirty, but before going upstairs,
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Speaker 1: she ordered a pizza, so she must have thought she
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Speaker 1: was going to be right back just before going upstairs.
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Speaker 1: In addition to texting her mother, she texted her boyfriend
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Speaker 1: Ashton Meheeny, who was house sitting for his mother in
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Speaker 1: Grand Works, and these two texts would be the last
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Speaker 1: time that Savannah's family would ever hear from her. M
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Speaker 1: M M. So I keep thinking back about what happened
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Speaker 1: to Savannah gray Wind and why it happened, and the
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Speaker 1: baby being raised without a mother finding out your mom's
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Speaker 1: body was fished out of the Red River wrapped in
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Speaker 1: plastic to doctor Jane Gorniac, renowned medical examiner, joining me
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Speaker 1: out of the Fulton County jurisdiction. Doctor Gorneiac, there is
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Speaker 1: no indication that Savannah gray Wind had been sedated. Nothing.
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Speaker 1: And to have your stomach sliced open and your baby removed?
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Speaker 1: What would that do to a person that was not sedated? Oh, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine the pain level. So I know
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Speaker 1: there's some discussion on whether she was strangled first and
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Speaker 1: then had the decision me to remove the baby. So
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Speaker 1: I would believe that in order to hold someone down
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Speaker 1: enough without them fighting, and you know you're gonna fight
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Speaker 1: for your your kid. So I believe that the pain
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Speaker 1: level would have been excruciating if she had not been
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Speaker 1: in an unconscious state at some point, So she might
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Speaker 1: have been unresponsive yet not dead, but unresponsive, And so
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Speaker 1: that's why the incision could be made without Savanna's feeling
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Speaker 1: any some sort of pain. But if she's coming in
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Speaker 1: and out, she would feel something. And part of that
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Speaker 1: might be that pain can cause someone to go into
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Speaker 1: shock too, so that could have been a contributory factor
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Speaker 1: in her her going in and out of consciousness. But
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine you know, you cut your finger,
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Speaker 1: you know, a knife. You know, you may not feel
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Speaker 1: it right away, but then all of a sudden when
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Speaker 1: you realize that that pain is there. So I can,
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Speaker 1: like I said, Nancy, that I believe and I hope
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Speaker 1: and I pray that she was unresponsive or unaware of
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Speaker 1: what was going on to her. Well, one thing I
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Speaker 1: want to ask you, and I've always wondered about this,
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Speaker 1: when you say the body goes into shock, what does
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Speaker 1: that mean exactly? Because going into shock and have so
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Speaker 1: many different results, like you can't remember what happened, you
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Speaker 1: can't act, some people freeze, some people power on and
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Speaker 1: they only break down after the incident. Or here you're
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Speaker 1: saying she couldn't maybe could not have felt what was
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Speaker 1: happening because your body was in shock. What does that mean?
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Speaker 1: Your body's in shock? Well, when I'm speaking from you know,
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Speaker 1: your body reacting. So when I use the word shock,
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Speaker 1: I'm using that you're it's a multisystem failure. So you're
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Speaker 1: losing a lot of blood. So when you lose a
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Speaker 1: lot of blood, you go into shock because your vital
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Speaker 1: organs aren't getting enough oxygen. So if your body is
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Speaker 1: going into shock that way, it's going to shunt blood
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Speaker 1: someplace else. So therefore, or your your senses as in
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Speaker 1: to speak into you know, your brain, some things aren't
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Speaker 1: going to work because you want to preserve life. So
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Speaker 1: that's what I mean by shock. So someone loses a
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Speaker 1: lot of blood, you're losing oxygen, You're white organs aren't
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Speaker 1: going to function properly, right then you're going to shut
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Speaker 1: down and die that way. I understand when you're talking
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Speaker 1: about shock, like you see something and you're like you freeze.
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Speaker 1: That's that's different than what I'm talking about. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: you're talking about physical shock where you're all the blood
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Speaker 1: and your body's rushing to the injured part of your
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Speaker 1: body and away from your brain. To Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: I think that was correct. Anyway, I'm just a JD.
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Speaker 1: You're the m D death an investigator with me, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Fate. Joseph Scott Morgan. You know what,
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Speaker 1: you're the death investigator. I hardly even know where to start.
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Speaker 1: I bow to your greater knowledge. Just Scott Morgan, I
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Speaker 1: really seriously would have dislike me going to the medical
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Speaker 1: examiner's office or the crime lab. You tell me what
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Speaker 1: to ask first in front of this jury, because it's
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Speaker 1: so overwhelming. I really don't know exactly where to start. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it is, Nancy, And I think that out of all
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Speaker 1: the cases that we covered, this is one of the
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Speaker 1: darker ones as far as I'm concerned. Uh. And keep
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Speaker 1: in mind, you know, in order to facilitate what this
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Speaker 1: this person did to this poor woman, she had to
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Speaker 1: use a particular instrumentality, uh, to to remove this body.
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Speaker 1: You know, in the morgue and surgery sweets this sort
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Speaker 1: of thing, we have specific instruments that are utilized in
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Speaker 1: order to open bodies. Um. And I'm really curious what
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Speaker 1: did she use? I mean, and you know, what kind
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Speaker 1: of knife did she use? What kind of sharp, sharp
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Speaker 1: edged instrument did she use in order to to actually
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Speaker 1: remove this body? And no matter what you do in
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Speaker 1: this particular circumstance, remember there's there's about eight pints of
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Speaker 1: blood in the human body, there's going to be a
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Speaker 1: copious amount of blood at this scene. So I don't
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Speaker 1: you know, no matter how hard you try, you're not
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Speaker 1: going to be able to get this completely cleaned up.
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Speaker 1: The police, the man who talked about that there was
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Speaker 1: blood everywhere, Yeah, you're damn right, there would be blood everywhere.
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Speaker 1: And then to facilitate this in such a barbaric fashion
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Speaker 1: where they're actually removing this little angel from this this
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Speaker 1: woman's body is horrific. So at the scene, we would
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Speaker 1: think about things like, well, what kind of instrument did
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Speaker 1: they use in order to make this happen? Because right
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Speaker 1: now I'm you know, I'm kind of befuddled over this.
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Speaker 1: You know that they can think this far in advance.
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Speaker 1: This took some planning, and it would seem to me
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Speaker 1: that they drew this woman in. I'm saying they she
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Speaker 1: drew this woman in into this apartment, put her into
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Speaker 1: this position, right, and it's really curious as to what
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Speaker 1: the findings were at the autopsy. Well, I want you
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Speaker 1: to take a listen to Savannah's mom, nor Berta gray Wind,
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Speaker 1: speaking to our friend at point of view, Chris Burg.
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Speaker 1: This is her mom, nor Berta and her sister kill
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Speaker 1: the thing is she was a homebody. She was eight
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Speaker 1: months pregnant. You know, she was uncomfortable at that her
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Speaker 1: feet were swooning. That's she wouldn't leave anywhere. She always
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Speaker 1: got mad, I mean for leaving by myself. She would
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Speaker 1: never go anywhere alone. So was she at your house
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Speaker 1: at one thirty on Saturday? And she just left for
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Speaker 1: running hair in her Yes, she lives with me. Um.
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Speaker 1: She went to help a neighbor and right upstairs. That's
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Speaker 1: the last we've heard from her. Not nobody seen from her,
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Speaker 1: seeing her or heard from her since. Let me see
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Speaker 1: when you and your authorities have spoken to this neighbor.
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Speaker 1: And what's the neighbors say that she left? So she
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Speaker 1: was obviously assuming going back down to your place. And yes,
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Speaker 1: All I've been doing is watching the door win for
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Speaker 1: her to walk in. It started as a desperate effort.
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Speaker 1: On Saturday, August nineteenth, twenty seventeen, Savannah was last seen
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Speaker 1: at her apartment building. A hopeful few who knew Savannah
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Speaker 1: best looking for any signs knowing something was wrong. It
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Speaker 1: was only day one. We don't have a single theory
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Speaker 1: at disappoint of what happened. These who called womb raider
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Speaker 1: who murders a pregnant mom a beautiful young mom, Savannah
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Speaker 1: graywind slicing her baby from her stomach, actually blames her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend for pressuring her into quote producing a child, and
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Speaker 1: claims he helped strangle the victim. But that is not
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Speaker 1: what his defense attorney says at all. What his defense
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Speaker 1: attorney says really doesn't make a whole lot of sense
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Speaker 1: to me. Straight out to John Limley, Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, we have discussed the scene, we have
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Speaker 1: discussed the disappearance, the search, the family beside themselves, John Limley,
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Speaker 1: I gotta ask you a question, when did police hone
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Speaker 1: in on this upstairs neighbor Brooke Cruse. What's interesting, Nancy
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Speaker 1: is these two people were actually interviewed three times until
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Speaker 1: a fourth visit when they discover that there is a
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Speaker 1: newborn baby living in the house with Brooklyn Cruse and
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Speaker 1: William Henry Hayne. And it's at that point that they
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Speaker 1: have strong suspicions that this baby does not belong to them. Well,
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Speaker 1: according to Brooke Cruise, the upstairs neighbor, she had a
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Speaker 1: breakup with the boyfriend Haine in December, and then she
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Speaker 1: went so far as to email to him a phony,
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Speaker 1: a fake positive pregnancy test and a sonogram photo. I mean,
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Speaker 1: how in the world, to doctor Daniel Bober, a forensic psychiatrist,
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Speaker 1: how do you carry your roos so far that you
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Speaker 1: somehow come up with a fake sonogram and a fake
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Speaker 1: positive pregnancy test, because she claimed that Cruz told her
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Speaker 1: that he didn't believe she was pregnant and said she
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Speaker 1: quote needed to produce a baby, and so instead of
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Speaker 1: breaking up with him or trying to get pregnant if
23:43
Speaker 1: you want to stay in that kind of relationship, her
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Speaker 1: idea as to kill somebody and get their baby. How
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Speaker 1: do you go so far in a delusion that you
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Speaker 1: think it's okay to fake a sonogram in an email?
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Speaker 1: In this case is incomprehensible from the first details. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's such an unrealistic planet. It makes no sense. But
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Speaker 1: you know, you see this in relationships, especially unhealthy relationships,
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Speaker 1: where one partner will lie and deceive to manipulate the
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Speaker 1: other one. But to think that this plant had any
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Speaker 1: chance of being successful is just it's beyond comprehension. I'm
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Speaker 1: taking a look right now at the sonogram that she
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Speaker 1: sent from Sanford Medical Center sent him a photo of
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Speaker 1: these sonograms to Joseph Scott, Morgan death investigator, author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet Joe Scott, How the heck do
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Speaker 1: you get ahold of a fake sonogram? I guess find
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Speaker 1: one online and cut and paste and send it. Is
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Speaker 1: that how you think that would work? Yeah? Absolutely, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I mean think about social media. Every time somebody goes
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Speaker 1: for a wellness check up this sort of thing, they
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Speaker 1: post these images all over the place, so yeah, it'd
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Speaker 1: be readily accessible. She could just pull one off the
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Speaker 1: Internet and send it off. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: I know the cops are just like kicking themselves over this.
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Speaker 1: When Savannah went missing, there were massive searches for her,
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Speaker 1: and later Brook crews revealed this is the female upstairs
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Speaker 1: neighbor that during one of the searches, they actually came
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Speaker 1: to their apartment and they had hidden Savannah's body in
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Speaker 1: the bathroom closet and the baby was covered up next
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Speaker 1: to Hayne on a bed as the cops walked right
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Speaker 1: by the scheming. As a matter of fact, the family
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Speaker 1: was beside themselves regarding the searches for Savannah. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Angie McCall at w Day TV News Fargo, listen,
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Speaker 1: I don't feel the Farrego Police Department has done enough.
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Speaker 1: By day five, what was a community wine search turned
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Speaker 1: into a state and wide effort. The Grand Forks Police
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Speaker 1: Department started going door to door, even the Firego Fire
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Speaker 1: Department began searching the Red River every day. Then day six, Thursday,
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Speaker 1: a newborn baby was found in her apartment building where
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Speaker 1: Savannah was last seemed the couple who had the b
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Speaker 1: are arrested. My sent lotgirl, come on that back door
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Speaker 1: and at AMT's arms. Man it was it was I
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Speaker 1: don't have words to describing. The discovery was a heartbreaking
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Speaker 1: miracule knowing so was alive. The realization that this little
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Speaker 1: girl may never know her mother started to set in
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Speaker 1: the future looked bleak. You're hearing Angeline McCall at w
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Speaker 1: DAYTV and she is speaking with Niberta gray Wind, Savannah's mom. So,
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Speaker 1: John Linley, why is the family dissatisfied with the job
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Speaker 1: that they say the cops did or didn't do? What
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Speaker 1: happened there just didn't seem to be any traction, even
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Speaker 1: though there were so many suspicions, and hello, the body's
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Speaker 1: in an apartment upstairs, Hey, ding dingy, exactly, and even
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Speaker 1: all of the trail, even from the very beginning from
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Speaker 1: the from the family's standpoint, seemed to lead right up
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Speaker 1: to the third floor of that apartment because of the
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Speaker 1: last moments that they knew of their daughter being alive. Oh,
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Speaker 1: it is just it is just hurting me to Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott more gonna do you remember the case out of gosh,
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Speaker 1: let me think of it's going to come to me
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Speaker 1: in Florida. I always called her the girl with a
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Speaker 1: pink hat, Jesse, Jessica, that was her name. And she
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Speaker 1: was taken by a sex predator and he was about say,
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Speaker 1: fifty feet catty corner to Jesse's home, and the cops
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Speaker 1: even came to the home and she the little girl
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Speaker 1: victim had been stashed in the closets, still alive, and
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Speaker 1: was later buried alive. I mean, I feel like the
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Speaker 1: cops dropped the ball. But it hurts me to blame
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Speaker 1: the cops. They're not the killers, No, they're not. And
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Speaker 1: you can't you can't predict what these people are going
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Speaker 1: to do when they're in these frenzied states like this. Uh,
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Speaker 1: we've we've already got great deception on her part where
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Speaker 1: she's portraying this as her as her child. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: and this is this goes to the heart of it. Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know, they're they're right there there with in there
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Speaker 1: within your sphere. And I think that that's what strikes
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Speaker 1: fear into the hearts of everybody in this town that's
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Speaker 1: surrounding this. This happened in among them, and that's what
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Speaker 1: makes it so horrific. Nancy, I remember now it was
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Speaker 1: Jessica Lunford and the little girl was held about seriously,
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Speaker 1: like fifty feet away. To doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist.
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Speaker 1: When we the public or family members, like in this
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Speaker 1: case with Savannah Graywin, find out that the person, either
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Speaker 1: alive or debt, is just within a hundred yards of
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Speaker 1: the spot of their disappearance, it's so upsetting and frustrating
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Speaker 1: and it's hard to deal with that, doctor Bober. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, you know, you see these cases
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Speaker 1: where people disappear, and to think that the body has
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Speaker 1: sound so close to the spot of the original disappearance
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Speaker 1: is just heartbreaking. You know, it's just a complete loss
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Speaker 1: of control of yourself. This is terrible. And what's so
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Speaker 1: interesting here, well, there's so much interesting is that she
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Speaker 1: actually Brook Crews, he's so called neighbor faking sonograms and
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Speaker 1: pregnancy tests, actually blames the boyfriend and I'm not convinced
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend did not have anything to do with this,
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Speaker 1: But did then say it was his fault because he
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Speaker 1: pressured me and to quote producing a child. She didn't
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Speaker 1: have a free will of her Oh to say, you
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Speaker 1: know what, I'm breaking up. If that's all your I'm
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Speaker 1: not a baby factory. Instead, her her plan was to
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Speaker 1: kill somebody and steal the baby. She needs the death penalty.
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Speaker 1: The kayakers in the river discovered what appeared to be
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Speaker 1: a life or a body sized object wrapped in plastic
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Speaker 1: in the river, hung up on a log. Oh my stars,
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Speaker 1: the heartbreak that family went through when pregnant mom to
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Speaker 1: be Savannah Graywind's body found in the Red River. Now
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Angeline McCall at w
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Speaker 1: DA watch. Two people arrest in connection to Savannah's death
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Speaker 1: and disappearance formally faced charges in courts rates. Savannah's neighbors,
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Speaker 1: Brooklyn Cruz and William Hayne, face charges of conspiracy to
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Speaker 1: commit murder, kidnapping, and giving false information to police. Both
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Speaker 1: initially not guilty as the gray Wins prepared to bury Savannah.
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Speaker 1: On September seventh, Savannah is finally laid to rest, and
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Speaker 1: just five days later, Ashen Matthany, Savannah's boyfriend, finally gets
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Speaker 1: full custody of his daughter. He names her Hazley Joe
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Speaker 1: and named he and Savannah had picked out she's home.
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Speaker 1: You were hearing the father of the little baby ashe Methaney,
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Speaker 1: waiting for this day when he finally gets the baby,
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Speaker 1: the baby that was cut out of his girlfriend's body,
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Speaker 1: Savannah Graywin losing her life. So long, story short to
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Speaker 1: John Linley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter John, how
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Speaker 1: did police finally figure out it was them? Well, it
30:56
Speaker 1: was evidence once they started tearing that apartment of heart.
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Speaker 1: After three searches, nothing had even been noticed, a miss
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Speaker 1: or any evidence blood wise had been discovered. But once
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Speaker 1: they found that baby in the possession of the couple,
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Speaker 1: that is when investigators went in and didn't leave any
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Speaker 1: stud unremoved from the wall. So to you, Justice Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: death investigator and author, How after there's been a cleanup
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Speaker 1: in a home, how do you find clues of a murder?
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Speaker 1: The fact that these people say that they seriously cleaned
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Speaker 1: it up is still not going to thwart their efforts
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Speaker 1: of the police, the investigators. There are still evidence to
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Speaker 1: be found. Even with the unaided eye. We can use
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Speaker 1: things to illuminate the blood, like gluminol to make it
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Speaker 1: come forth where they have attempted to clean it up.
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Speaker 1: I've even been on scenes Nancy where you can actually
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Speaker 1: see where the blood has been wiped away by an
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Speaker 1: individual in an attempt. You apply a luminol to that
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Speaker 1: area and you can actually see the white on the
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Speaker 1: floor where they've attempted to clean it up. So the
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Speaker 1: blood is the big tail here those things that are
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Speaker 1: left behind, and also also what's going to be key
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Speaker 1: is could they determine an instrumentality of death such as
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Speaker 1: a noose that may have been used to affect the
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Speaker 1: strangulation and also what type of instrument was used to
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Speaker 1: open this poor woman up. Luminol is a chemical and
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Speaker 1: it shows an illuminescence. That's where you get the name illuminole.
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Speaker 1: Illuminate a blue type of a glow. And when you
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Speaker 1: spray luminol across an area, trace amounts of a so
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Speaker 1: called activating oxidant make the luminole blue like a blue light,
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Speaker 1: like those glow sticks. That's what it looks like. Now,
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Speaker 1: the glow will only last about thirty seconds, but you
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Speaker 1: can document it with photos, you can reapply it. It's
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Speaker 1: got to be applied evenly to avoid confusing results. Blood
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Speaker 1: traces appear more concentrated in some areas that receive more spray,
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Speaker 1: so it has to be very evenly done. If it
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Speaker 1: glows more intensely in one spot, that does not indicate
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Speaker 1: the amount of blood, but really only how much luminol
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Speaker 1: you've sprayed there. So it takes a real expert to
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Speaker 1: use luminol. Joseph Scott Morgan. How is it done? How
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Speaker 1: is it sprayed onto the surface. Well, most of the time, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it comes prepackaged. Now, luminol. A lot of people, you know,
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Speaker 1: just think about luminol and they think, oh, well, this
33:39
Speaker 1: is kind of a benign substance. Actually it's not a
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Speaker 1: real stable substance that can be dangerous. They are people
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Speaker 1: that have put theirselfs in danger mixing the stuff up.
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Speaker 1: So now it kind of comes pre packaged, but it's
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Speaker 1: applied through a pump spray over a significant area and
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Speaker 1: you want to try to cover you're absolutely right when
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Speaker 1: you say you have to be an expert at this.
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Speaker 1: Not only do you have to be an expert at
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Speaker 1: applying the luminole, you have to be an expert with
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Speaker 1: alternative lighting sources as well as photography. So this is
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Speaker 1: not just like a single person operation. There has to
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Speaker 1: be several hands on deck in order to facilitate capturing
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Speaker 1: this thing, because it is a moment in Tom that
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Speaker 1: you have to snap at that moment in Tom and
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Speaker 1: get those images. And BOYD does it demonstrate well in
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Speaker 1: court when you apply that oh you know it to
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Speaker 1: John Lemley, Crimeline dot Com investigative reporter. What do we
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Speaker 1: know if anything about a murder weapon? It's from Crewe's
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Speaker 1: own testimony. With Savannah lying on the floor, Crews testified
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Speaker 1: that she grabbed a small razorblade, either a carpenter's knife
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Speaker 1: or a boxcutter from the kitchen and sliced open Savannah's abdomen,
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Speaker 1: taking the baby out of the wound as Savannah was
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Speaker 1: drifting in and out of consciousness. And this matches up
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Speaker 1: with what investigators discovered when the body was taken in
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Speaker 1: or autopsy. There was a crude c section with a
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Speaker 1: cut from hip to hip where the baby had been
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Speaker 1: taken out. I guarantee you if you look at her
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Speaker 1: computer search as you'll find how to do a C section.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the so called neighbor brook Cruise listen.
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Speaker 1: In February second, twenty eighteen, crews learned she will die
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Speaker 1: in prison for killing Savannah. She is sentenced to life
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Speaker 1: without parole. So I wish I haven't done us. There
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Speaker 1: is an old excuse and as hazy Chail was being
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Speaker 1: born on August nineteen, twenty seventeen, she was taking her
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Speaker 1: first bets as her taking her last. As brook Cruise
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Speaker 1: knows her fate, William Haye maintains his innocence. You're hearing
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Speaker 1: our friend Angelie McCall at w day, brook Lynn Cruise
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Speaker 1: pleads guilty to three charges gets life without parole. I
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Speaker 1: guess she did. I mean, at one moment, you don't
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Speaker 1: have a baby and you're faking a sonogram. In the
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Speaker 1: next moment, you have a baby. At first, they tried
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Speaker 1: some cockamamie story that Savannah Graywyn had given them the
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Speaker 1: baby and wanted them to take care of it. That
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Speaker 1: was all b as. And you may be wondering about
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend that claims he had nothing to do with it.
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Speaker 1: Listen either jury Juliam Handel had sworn in the above
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Speaker 1: entitled action do find the defendant, William Henry Hane not
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Speaker 1: guilty of a cry of conspiracy tin it murder. Cass
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Speaker 1: County Assistant State's Attorney Lah vest says she's disappointed with
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Speaker 1: the verdict, but she also wasn't shocked by it. Vesty says,
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Speaker 1: over the years, she's learned not to guess what goes
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Speaker 1: on in the jury room because you never know what
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Speaker 1: they'll decide. The greatest disappointment for me in this case,
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Speaker 1: and I would assume for the family, is that this young,
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Speaker 1: beautiful man no longer exists, and the people who did
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Speaker 1: this to her, although one is serving a life sentence
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Speaker 1: and one has pled guilty to some other things, how
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Speaker 1: do you ever vindicate that? How do you ever make
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Speaker 1: right something that's that's that wrong. There's just simply no way.
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Speaker 1: You're here From k r RTV NIS Fargo reporter Danielle
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Speaker 1: church A not guilty in conspiracy to commit murder for
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend who, according to multiple sources, strangled Savannah Graywin
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Speaker 1: as she was dying in that bathroom. Tightened the noose
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Speaker 1: around her neck. But that's not the end of the
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Speaker 1: story for him, is it, John Limley, No, it's not.
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Speaker 1: Before the trial. Incidentally, William Hayne had pleaded guilty to
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Speaker 1: a felony charge of conspiring to commit kidnapping and a
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Speaker 1: misdemeanor charge of lying to police in connection with Savannah's death.
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Speaker 1: Sentencing is supposed to be set within sixty days of
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Speaker 1: this trial. I hope he gets the max and then
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Speaker 1: rotson hell. Take a listen to news reporters Sarah rud
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Speaker 1: Lane talking with Hasley Joe's dad from w da YE.
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Speaker 1: Many parents say there's a special, indescribable moment when a
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Speaker 1: parents sees their held for the very first time. Ashion
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Speaker 1: tells me today he called all those emotions and more.
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Speaker 1: He was able to visit Hasley Joe for the first
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Speaker 1: time yesterday and again today in the hospital and after
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Speaker 1: living in hell for almost two weeks. Ashton described seeing
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Speaker 1: her as the best healing ever. Seeing her was overwhelming,
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Speaker 1: not not bad. It was overwhelming. It was all it was.
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Speaker 1: How did I say, overwhelmed with happiness? She don't know.
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Speaker 1: It's been a dark, dark times, but she lit my
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Speaker 1: world right up. Nancy Grace crime story so you know,
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,