Latest / Scam Goddess / Doctor DoRobbery w/ Franchesca Ramsey (Fraud Friday)

Transcript

Doctor DoRobbery w/ Franchesca Ramsey (Fraud Friday) · Scam Goddess

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: What's poppin Congregation? Is your girl, Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess.
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: older episodes from the Scam Goddess bault. That's right, Fraud
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall,
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: and as always, stay scheming scam.
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: Come rob froll.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: Scam, Come rob Froll. Scam Goddess. What's popping Congregation? It's
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: me Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess, back with another installment
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: of Scam Goddess.
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: And I am so.
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: What go ahead of saying yes excited y'all know, y'all
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: know I love y'all doing good, bad, ugly, Okay, listen,
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: I am very excited you Okay.
• 1:06
  Speaker 3: I'll be saying this every week, but I really am.
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: I always am, and today this is like my shero,
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: my queen. I don't know if y'all keep up with
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: my life outside of the Scam Podcast, but like this
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: woman has held me down, lifted me up, made sure
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: I was cute. She is a producer, she's a writer,
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: she's a creator. You've seen her on all of the things. Honey.
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: She recently wrote her I Carly episode titled I Need
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: Space Okay. She's a producer on the entire series, Honey
• 1:39
  Speaker 1: and listen a blast. I love this one so much.
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: And she's also hot, which is articulously unfair. It's a scam.
• 1:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like Jesus, you know, and God. When they
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: was throwing up niggas in the sky or whatever, you know,
• 1:51
  Speaker 1: they get everybody some qualities, you know, they'd be like, oh,
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: she can be smarter, she can be talented, and then
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: they was like, oops, we also jumped in a lot
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: of fine and I'm very smart. Oh damn it.
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, we'll just throw it up and throw it out there.
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: Guys decoded like you've known this woman for this is
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: she's that bitch. I'm sorry I'm rambling now, but guys,
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: Franchessica Ramsey, yeah.
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I feel like I love that you talked
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: about how hot I am for a podcast where no
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: one can see me.
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: Oh honey, photos okay, they we'll see you on the Instagram,
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: okay aggressively.
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, yes, yes, I need. I need
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: people to acknowledge and appreciate and understand because you know,
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: you know you always come looking cute.
• 2:33
  Speaker 3: It's work, oh says you come looking cute, Like, I'm.
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: Like, this is your employment? Why you got this gown? Now?
• 2:39
  Speaker 2: Oh listen, you know what that is? I am. I
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: don't really do casual, you know what I mean. I
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: like to be overdressed. I want to show up and
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: have people be like, who is that? So thank you
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: for appreciating. And she's technowledging that casual.
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: Guys, she don't want casual. Who I don't know the girl? Okay, right, Carrie,
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: Francesca works out on a treadmill and seven inch heels.
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: You know that's and we love that for you.
• 3:05
  Speaker 3: Also, Francesca is an amazing.
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: Decorator, like since when it comes to decore, honey, Like.
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: I love lookes, I love lukes, I love fashion, you know,
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: I love glam. I love this color.
• 3:18
  Speaker 3: Truly embarrassing. This is my podcast.
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: I'm in my fucking closet, y'all because I moved and
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: I'm in my closet because my office doesn't have enough
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: furniture to create echo, like to get rid of the
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: echo right now. So I'm in my closet. Well, obviously
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: I have enough things to create an echo because I
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: love clothes and I'm looking at Francesca as she is
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: in this beautiful room with this cute ass microphone. It's
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: is that a fucking Is that a highlight? What what
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: do they call that? Oh?
• 3:44
  Speaker 2: The microphone? Or am I life? Behind me?
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: That light?
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: Wh whoa?
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: It's like an LED strip. It's a neon strip. And
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: I decided that when I work out it's behind my peloton.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: I want to have like a club environment so.
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: That when you got a club lights and neon lights,
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: and also it's painted beautifully. There's like she does these
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: really cool things with like art deco where it's like
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: a square that folds into the wall.
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: And every place in my house has to be selfie ready,
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: so you know what I mean. You come over, I'm
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: going to give you lighting. I'm going to give you color.
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give you dimension and texture so that
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: when you come over you have cute selfies to show
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: everyone that you know you.
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: Will hang out with me when you remember all those
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: museums like Museum of ice Cream and all those like
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: ohs or places where you went to take photo.
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: That's my apartment, that's my face. I'm going to send
• 4:36
  Speaker 2: a cease and desist to all of those places, because
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: how dare they steal my swag?
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: They can't come back post COVID because god, we're getting
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: into the Museum of ice Creams sprinkle and and throwing
• 4:51
  Speaker 1: the sprinkles in the air and shit, McDonald's retire the
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: ball pin.
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I will be in their pre COVID.
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: I definitely, Yeah, those places are canceled.
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: Oh I was a nasty hope, pretty sovid. I Well,
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: I was in the ball pits. I was in the
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: sprinkle pas like yes, and I was like I could
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: have died, Like why why was I doing this?
• 5:11
  Speaker 3: You don't how many kids with sucking on them balls?
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: And yeah no, I mean, look I am. I am
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: very cautious in that way, but like definitely have hooked
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: up in like a bathroom abroad, like I've done some
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: questionable you know, like you only live once, very gussip
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: going until you don't.
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: But I love that for you.
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: I have no place to judge what the fuck that was?
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: Wild? Oh mom?
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: Skip skip ahead thirty seconds.
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: Mom. The Cathedral of Learning at the University of Pittsburgh.
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: I went to, Oh.
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: To day did you say that at some point because
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: you kind of I feel like you have to write
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: it was the.
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's like the thirteenth tallest educational building in
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: the world thing. But they had to call it a
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: cathedral because in Pittsburgh you couldn't build buildings that were
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: higher than a church. When they built it, okay, so
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: they were like, it's the cathedral, a scamp and it
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: was like of learning, of learning, Jesus, you know, y'all
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: know what we mean. And then they built it up
• 6:16
  Speaker 1: and it's cute and the I definitely fucked in there
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: on the psychology floor.
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I love that for you.
• 6:23
  Speaker 1: I did it was my boyfriend, even if it was okay,
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: But you're a free woman. You can do what you want.
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: You know, like I'm not gonna judge you.
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: And I used to be extra. It's like I didn't
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: know that people like turn the lights off. I learned
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: that very late in life, and so I just I
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: It's a personal experience for everybody.
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: I was now on a handstand. I thought, I was like,
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: it's not XX tube.
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: You're like, I have not been doing yoga for nothing.
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: Someone's gonna get these fucking mops, right let's.
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: Say, handstance bagbands, and now I'm like, uh, I just
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: want lay on my bag, sir or ma'am, pillow princess
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: and always so oh goodness, this is a departure.
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got some Showrancesca.
• 7:13
  Speaker 3: What is your relationship with scams?
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: ever been scammed? Scammer?
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So I like really thought hard about this,
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: and I was an involuntary scammer at one time. I
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: worked for a telemarketing company. So let me explain. I
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: I did telemarketing in college for a company that was
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: scamming people. And I didn't know we were scamming people.
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: You were working in telemarketing, you know you were scamming people.
• 7:42
  Speaker 3: But I guess the whole poe. Okay, you vulnerable?
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, look let me okay, first one, in my defense,
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: it was a different time, Okay, two thousand and two, I.
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: Was working for a robbery company.
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know that I was robbing people.
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, today, no, no, no, look, I feel like you
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: should let me defend myself. Today y'all get stuff from
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: Instagram as and you know, YouTube and shit. This was
• 8:07
  Speaker 2: an era where a telemarketer might actually call you and
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: sell you something legit, okay.
• 8:14
  Speaker 3: In our personal scams, He was like, no, we feel it.
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: People out, we learn who they are. We know.
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, in hindsight, I totally should have known. We
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: were selling a product called septic Helper two thousand, which
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: was like something that you poured in your toilet to
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: like help it work better. But then we would be like, oh,
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: it's free, and then you just have to pay for shipping.
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: But then what you don't know is then we will
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: ship it to you every month and you can't you
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: can't stop it, like it will just keep coming to you.
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: So we would get a lot of angry phone calls,
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: like I'd been working there a few weeks, and then
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: suddenly the phone calls stopped being you know, you're interrupting
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: me in the middle of dinner, and then the phone
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: calls where fuck you, I've got the septic helper shit
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: all over my house, Like what do I do? And
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: you know, I was just trying to make the sails
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: and get up on the board. And you know a board, Yes,
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: there was a board. There was a board or there
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: was a board where if you sold you would go
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: up on the board.
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something I just learned literally just
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: now about Francesca Fordessca is that student. She shows up early.
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: She got here earlier to the zoom than I did.
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: I'm always early. Literally.
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: I was like starting the recording and my super engineer,
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: Marina Pies was like, Lacy, are you recording? And I
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm not. And I was like, oh
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: my bad, and first goes I'm recording. I'm recording. She
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: is that girl who's like, oh, mister Simon, you forgot
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: to sign the math home.
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: It was totally true. I always tell people I am
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: chronically early. If I'm late, I'm dead in the ditch.
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: I love this for you because I'm the exact opposite.
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: It gives me anxiety to be like early, Like, I
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: don't like that. You see, I was the first.
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: Person at your birthday party, and I tried to be late.
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: I tried so hard. I was like down and a.
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: Half late to my birthday party.
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: I'll be there at three thirty and then like I
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: was the first bitch walking through the door.
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: Yo. I literally only came because my assistant was there.
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: As she took a video, I was like, put me
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: on face I'm like, flip the camera around, and so
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: she took a video. It was people there, and I
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: was like, oh damn, my people is there. I got
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: to go, yeah, put my shoes on. I was like, okay,
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: let me get over there.
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yes, I'm very early. And so, you know,
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: to that same point, when I was working for this
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: telemarketing company that I in my heart wanted to believe
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: that just wanted to have people take healthy shits, you know,
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: like if they take a shit, they wanted to reach
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: the septic tank in like a reasonable amount of time.
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: That's what I was told, Okay, and I believed in
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: the goodness of that product, and I wanted to get
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: up on that board. And you know it was it
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: was Aco.
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: Belongs on a board, she belongs on billboards. She belongs
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: on the board of the academies.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I had a long ass name, like my
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: name should take up as much space on the bourne
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: as possible, you know, I just everything. She belongs on
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: all the boards. Yes, thank you. And then and then
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: I did also get scammed in high school. Do you
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: remember that, like fake modeling agency Barbizon.
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, participated in every mall scam that
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: there was.
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got scamed.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: Told me I couldn't act professionally, but she told me
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: that I could do all acting I wanted too, as
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: long as I had good gray. So, honey, I was
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: dragging my mama to the mall.
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: I yes, I got. I got roped in by Barbizon.
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: And then they had a big modeling call in Orlando,
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: and my mom and I went, and you know, I
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: should have known.
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: It was and modelesque.
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: You know, look, I mean, thank you very much.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: I'm five to one and I took my Barbazona.
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but here's the thing. I should have known
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: it was a scam because they opened by saying everyone
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: can be a model, which is like, you know, sure,
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: in our hearts, we want to believe everybody's beautiful, we
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: all deserve love. Da da da da dad. But in reality,
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: everyone can someone. Everyone cannot be a model, though. That
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: defeats the purpose of models, right, Like there has to
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: be normal people and there has to be models. So
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: then them telling everybody all of you can be models,
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: that should have set off my alarm. We want everybody's money, okay,
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: exactly exactly, and look.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: These days, everybody can be models, And you know what,
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: what you're saying was true. What I love that's happening
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: now is like you're seeing disabled models, oh my god,
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: full figured models, you're seeing middle people models.
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: Well that's kind of what's cool about social media is
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: to your point, it's like democratizing it. You don't need
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: somebody else to tell you can be a model or
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: you are beautiful. You can kind of control your own
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: image and paint your own story in your narrative.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: But in a background room, people and most of America
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: don't look like models. So can I see it on
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: a bitch who's the size? Or I like, listen, at
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: the time, what you would toe was a scam because
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: at the time which you would tell you were a
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: model build.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: I was also in like a busted office building in
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: like Boca Raton, Like you were going to get discovered
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: as a model. It was not going to be in
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: like an office building, you know what I mean, Like,
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: it was just nothing about the place said luxurious, glamor
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: fashion success. I mean, like you know what I mean, Like, yes,
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: absolutely heart scammed god.
• 13:42
  Speaker 4: So yeah, and then to your other question, I mean,
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: I like I am a very cautious person, so now
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: I think everything could be a scam, Like I don't
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: want to bully. If it's too good to be true,
• 13:55
  Speaker 4: it's going to be hard for me to get on board.
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: But I think it's also just because I'm I'm very cautious,
• 14:01
  Speaker 4: like I don't I don't want anything bad to happen
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: to me, So I'm I'm very avoidant.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: I'm risk averse, I am.
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: Risk, I am risk attracted.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: And it's a problem because I pride myself in not
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: getting scammed, and I get scammed all the time, and
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: I am a scammer all the time. Oh my gosh,
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: I live in both sides of the spectrum. But I
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: love this for you. Wait, can you tell me at
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: the so at the end of this Orlando Barbison trip,
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: what happened? Did they you pay for some photos?
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, I paid. I paid for some photos.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: I paid for my photos to be in a booklet
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: that casting people were supposed to see. Again, this should
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: have been a red flag. No one is going to
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: cast me from, you know, a pamphlet printed at Kinko's.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: But that's what we were paying to have my pictures
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: put into. And then nothing happened.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: I let me just say this for the aspiring actors
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: out there, for the aspiring models. Casting people have no power.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: It took me a long time to learn this and
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: I want to share it with you.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Don't pay, Yeah, don't pay anybody.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: Casting people have no power.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: I had so much time I paid casting directors who
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: looking fucked up my career and my mental because they
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: were just fucking assholes saying anything because they were getting
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: paid for us to stand in front of them and
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: them to cast this in anything. They have no power.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: They just they are a filter. They pick through a
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: few people and then give them the producers and then
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: and then they ultimately decide. But yeah, that that is
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: a huge scam. And you always I remember the Barberzon.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: I would hear it on the radio where they would say,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: do you like high school musical? Do you like? That's
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: so raven? You could be in those And of course
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: they're going to name a bunch of shows that ever.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: You know they're using you now though, right, Francesca.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: You know they still got them photos of your ass
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: and they use them and be like.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Look at this Barbzon and now she's a.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Ste Oh my god, that's so true. I mean Thankfully,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: I've had a full blown glow up as a person,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: so I don't even look like those pictures anymore. But
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: you're probably right.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: They probably got them at the at the outlet at
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: the strip, mall right.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: On foam core and like hung up on a on
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: a wall somewhere. Oh my gosh. Well, if you're listening
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: to this while you're in the waiting room for Barbizon, leave,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: it's a scam. I've never been there before.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: And fast because some people don't not only they not
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: know what they're doing, a lot of times they better
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: because of their station in life. I hadn't want to
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: tell me for a like a commercial casting agent, which
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I was like, bitch, what was I doing in New
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: York City? She was like, first of all, they told us,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: don't wear makeup, come in as a blank canvas.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: No casting.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: People need to imagine. No, you could be no casting.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Like when anybody's casting anything, they're looking for the easiest solution.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: You are the character, right.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: You need to come in cogh school, but you need
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: to come close to it. If you're playing a bitch
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: who's gonna be working in a diner, don't come in
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: a full Dina waitress outfit, but you know, maybe have
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: on a white button down like you're working service. You know,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: give them a something so that they can put the
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: pieces together. People don't want to imagine. No one is imaginative. Also,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: she told me when I read the copy, oh, you're
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: so sassy, which is coded like time right.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: It's aggressive and people still do it a lot.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I've been on press tours for goddamn four months and
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: it happens a lot. And she was like, you know,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: people don't really need to look for she thought, she was,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: whoa this, bitch?
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: People don't really need to look for that in black
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: people anymore.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Like you don't have to be sassy anymore, Like you
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: can just be yourself. I was like, bitch, just who
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I am? What do this mean? So I said that
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I tried to be what people thought I needed to
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: be for a couple of years and I was like
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: fuck this, and then I started working.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: So you know, I have to think who you are?
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I said, had such an opposite experience as an actress.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, and look, our resumes speak for themselves. Lacey
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: stays booked I'm behind the camera because my ass was not.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: But she also be booking can I tell you?
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Then I auditioned for that Superstore roll that okay, and
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I have friends in a writer's room, and I was like,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: oh girl, we lunch out type. And then when I
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: saw that for Chesca God, I was like yes, Like
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, absolutely, okay, well, thank you, I appreciate.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: You for some damn rong. Okay, okay, you know what.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I needed that and I'm going to take and receive.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: But I had many auditions. I would do some amount
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: of voiceover, and I would often go and you know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: it'd be the McDonald's commercials, so they and it would
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: be for urban radio, so they would only call a
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: bunch of black girls and then it would be me,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: and so then I would go into the booth and
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, but I am loving, Like I would
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: just be myself, my super suburban.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Who stop you from going to stop you? Love your energy,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: lover energy, love your magic. We're all magic this time?
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Can you give us more? Like you just saw your
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: cousin Ronnie get shot in a street fight.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: And a five kids and they're all running around, they
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: all different dads.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: They're hungry and you and every week you tell them
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: that they don't have McDonald's money. But because your cousin
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Ronnie got shot, it's a special day, and so you
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: want to take them to McDonald's and get all five
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: kids money or food off the dollar menu.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: So like, give us that.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Energy and let's run it back.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Let's run it back.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, the lives are sis.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I love be some McDonald's and when times is hard,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: McDonald's is there.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Can you say that when times is hard, McDonald's is
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: there for Jessica?
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, when times is hard, McDonald's is there. Okay,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: that was great, but I'm not booking. I'm not booking.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not booking that job. So yes, I got a
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: lot of directions to be sassier, and I just, you know,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: in never felt comfortable for me. It just didn't sound
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: like me, and I didn't want to do like an
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: impression of what I think they want to hear. So yeah,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: that's why, that's why it didn't happen.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: For me, And I get that. And look, I never
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: booked a McDonald's commercial either, Although I love McDonald's and
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: all their food, I think they sponsor the show.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Oh I goes, so.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, scams all around. Okay, you know you told me
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Francisca that you're very tepid about scams. You're very tepid
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: about doing anything that's risky, which brings us into our
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: listener letter because I think that you're gonna really resonate
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: with our good judy. Here, guys, what's hot and fraud
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: our first segment. We warn listeners about what's popping in
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: the streets with scams, and more often than not these days,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: we get a listener letter from you guys. As always,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: if you want to snitch on your friends and family,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: scam got his pot at gmail dot com. Just make
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: sure that the scam is retired because we don't want
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: to what yes, fuck up your bag? Okay, so if
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: you got the scam retires, snitch, we love to see it. So, Francesca,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I need a fake name for this scammer.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: We don't care about gender on this podcast. Clarie Clarie's,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I love Clarice. What movie is making? What movie is like?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Its Silent Silence of the Lambs?
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Like, yes, Clarie's they shot out in Pittsburgh, which is
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: where I went to college, and that was like a
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: big thing when I gave campus stories up, Like they
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: shot Silence of the Lambs here Clarice says, hey, girl,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: are we familiar? Okay, Clarice's my name is Clarice. I'm
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: not using your real names this. I see what you wrote,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and I love listening to your podcast. I'm a welder,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: a welder, I got.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: D's differ it a welder.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: And I will say that this woman Clarice does identify
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: as female, and a welder who identifies as female is
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: very hot.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Like I hope she wears a jumpsuit to work.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, you're just wearing like some suspender, like some
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: suspenders and no shirt.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she's got like gloves on, head light on oily.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm very horny apparently, but Clarice is a
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: welter and we love this for you, honey, She says,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I wear ten hour shifts from two am to twelve
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: thirty at night.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Oh that's weird, okay.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Weald in the daytips in Phoenix, Arizona and bing in
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: your podcast really helps my shift fly by, So thank you.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Oh you know, I'll be reading the night ship.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: But Clarice, I fucked with you, especially because you wailed
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and at night looking at all.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Find it's probably because it's so hot in Arizona during
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the day. They probably need the sun to be yeah, exact, okay, Yeah,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: and protective gear.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, makes sense. So I'm sure everyone has heard of
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the phone call scams where the IRS and quotes calls
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you and tells you that you committed fraud on your
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: tax returns and that they've sent the police to your
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: location to arrest you.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, we've talked about it a lot on the show.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: When the police come to arrest.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: You, they are not letting you know.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: They ain't gonna let you know. Okay, she says, Oh, yeah,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: you know you've heard of these scams, the popa pull up.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I used to get those all the time. Normally I
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: would just hang up. But one day my ass was bored.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: So how was you born?
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: You'd been walding from nighttime to dawn?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Okay. I decided I was gonna play a game with them.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I decided to go along with it. I gave them
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a fake address and social Security number, which they claim
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: matched the info they had on file for me.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Always always also.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Like if anybody call you, I told y'all is.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Do not keep your social Security number.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Anyone has your information and they do need to verify.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: So like when you call your bank, when you call
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: niggas who got your information, they will treat you like
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: a girlfriend that you've cheated on twelve times and you
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: got four babies by and they will be like, okay,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: so what street you live on? Okay?
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Are you a robot?
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Click these four? Which is the traffic lights? Bitch?
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, you you survived that?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Okay? Anyways, Uh, what's your mama cousin maid a name?
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: When did your grandmama die? And what funeral plot is
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: she buried in? So she never gave the fake social
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Security number. They done told her like you going to jail, Sis,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: we come in right now.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Wii on, wi on?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Will you hear that that's outside, not on the phone,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: that's actually us, So she said, the whole time, I
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: acted scared and worked up, like I was afraid to
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: go to jail. Yes, they told me that I could
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: repay the money that I was overpaid on my tax
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: return by going to Walmart.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Oh no, and like getting them gift cards or something.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know where this is going. And I'm fans
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: know a congregation knows where this is going. If you
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: are a good judy of the congregation, you've been in
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: church long enough to know where this is going. I
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: chose this because y'all are starting to become officionados of scams.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I love that Clarice is scamming the scammers back, and
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: That's why I chose this, because, like, I'm starting to
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: see a lot of letters that are like sis. I
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: listened to the podcast, so I had a scammer come
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: and try to play me, and I toyed with them
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the whole time, and then I told him it was
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: a scam, and I was like, I love this empowerment. Yes,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: and also the pettiness of not just getting off the
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: phone and hanging up, which we've talked about.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Waste a scammers time, keep them away from like the
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: elderly lady who's actually gonna get scammed by them.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Phone calls are the best scams because all you have
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to do is hang up.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: You should never get scammed via phone.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I understand when somebody's in front of you, charismatic lion
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: doing lots of hand gestures. Maybe sexy, but.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: What if you actually did fuck up on your taxes?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Like those are the people I think that are most susceptible.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Like Alicia says, oh, wow with And I'm just saying,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: those are the people who when that phone call comes,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: they might think it's real because.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: They ain't how taxes work hunting.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I agree, but if they haven't had them, they don't.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Out of Lauren Hill's book, Okay, the irs will send
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: you mail. They will. They'll send you ominous, menacing male
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and be like urgent, urgent.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry if you put it in a mail, it
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: ain't that urgent.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: If you got if my house is on fire, ain't
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: nobody gonna mail me a letter being like Mitch, your
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: house on fire, not that urgent. Okay, but they'll come
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: pick your ass up if they need to pick your
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: ass up. Okay, Look, Lauren didn't want to go to
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: jail for not paying.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Uncle Sam, which I think is still a scam.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: They down her ass, and knowing Lauren, she laid his
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: hell everywhere, so they had to really look for her. Okay.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: They were like, oh, she's supposed to be at this concert,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get her today, and it was like, nah,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: knowing Lauren, she probably three states away, Like we gotta
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: really look, Okay, So they told her to go to
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Walmart wally World to get iTunes gift cards iTunes.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: No, you're not gonna pay your irs bill in iTunes,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Like come on.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Uncle Sam loves a good bob. Okay, my god, he
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: loves a bob.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: That's so funny.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I told him I had to go wake my baby
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: up because I was a single mother with no one
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: to watch her and take her with me. I don't
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: have any kids, by the way, not you creating a backstory. Listen, Clarice,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: you're giving us so much and I love it. The
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: man said he would wait on the phone with me
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: while I did that. I took them on a huge adventure,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: telling them things like, oh my god, my baby pooped
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: in diaper. I have to change her first, and there
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: was poop everywhere, so much poop. And I started asking
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: him for parenting advice. Told him I had to give
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: my baby a quick bath. I came up with so
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: many obstacles that I had to do before I left,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: and he just stayed on the phone talking to me.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Finally, he was trying to get his name on the board.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Lazy he was.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: He was like you, he was an a one scammer.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: He was like, listen, I'm gonna get this sale. She's
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: on board. She's talking to me about her baby. She's
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: making I'm gonna get these iTunes gift cards. Okay, fuck
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: this woman and her baby. I'm gonna get on the board, okay,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: and look for just getting't know she was scamming when
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: she was trying to get on the board. She was
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and follows rules, and I appreciate that because I am
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the opposite. Rules are for other people so that I
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: can do what I want. So she's taking him on
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: this journey all these obstacles. Finally, after a while, I
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: told him I was driving to the store. I said,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I lived in a small town and the closest Walmart
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: was a good drive away, so it would take me
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: a bit to get there. After probably thirty minutes of driving.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: In quotes, I was playing dumb with the whole gift
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: card thing. I started asking him if he only wanted
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: the iTunes gift cards or if he wanted a variety
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: of different kinds.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Told him I could get him some Applebee's.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: No, listen, I'm a Chili's girl. There are Chili's in there, babybag.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Oh what a heat a moment.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So she was like, oh, I can get you
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Xbox Lives ones like whatever you want. At this point
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I could tell he started to get frustrated with me.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: He told me to buy three thousand dollars worth of
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: iTunes gift cards with fifteen hundred dollars on two separate ones,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to give him the numbers.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Because that's what they do.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: They'd be like, Oh, buy the gift card and then
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: turn it over and tell us the digits.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: On the back, so you don't have to send them
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: to this scammer's dumb.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: And that's why he stayed on the phone so long,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: because he was wasting his precious time. He could have
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: been robbing other people.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Here's what I don't understand. Can you can you turn
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: those iTunes gift cards into money? Like I just don't understand, Like,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: what does he okay? So you can't cash them out?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: There's ways I had no idea.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, anytime you get a gift card, there's ways, especially
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: as long as you have the numbers on the gift cards.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: You don't need the physical card to do things, to
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: purchase things, to do what you need to do. You know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: he could use the iTunes gift card to purchase things
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: in the store and then return them.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Like there's a lot of ways to get the money back.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: However, this scam is stupid because no irs would never
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: tell you to bout iTunes gift cards like they wilin
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: like this.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like trying to buy like Normani's single and
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: bulk and then return it like like confused.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: You didn't go return Wildside even if you wanted to.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: It's a bob you know. They're like, you listen to
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: half of it, you can't return it. But the best
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: version of this scam is, oh, do you want to
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: work for I'm Home? Do you want to be a
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: secret shopper? Do you want to do that?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: La?
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: And then oh, we mail you a fake check, you
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: deposit it.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: It bounces like after a week, But in that meantime
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: you spend the fake check money on buying gift cards
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and then shopping in stores or giving them the codes
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: on the back. That's the best version of the scam.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: The best version of the scam is not tax fraud.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Like this is stupid. So this man is dumb. That's
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: why I stay on the phone so long, and you know,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: shout out to dumb people. We can't all be smart.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: It's all guns after.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: The driving, the playing dumb. This guy's getting frustrated. I
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: google pictures of the cards and read off some random
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: ass numbers. He ends the call and I'm finally thinking
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: he just you know, realized this is dumb. She was
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: on the phone with him for two hours and twenty minutes,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: no laughing her ass off. Wow, this is a great email.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Clarice or stands Rabby run and we're back for my
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: favorite segment the podcast, Historic hood Wings. This is why
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: we're Gale from Cusco with a famous Khan Caper.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Group of criminals. Single criminal. We don't know. Maybe we love.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Them, maybe we hate them. So let's see what we're
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: doing with today. We got doctor Lowkeish Tantawaya. He's a
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: San Diego spinal surgeon now at the center of the
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: most notorious healthcare fraud cases in California's history. Not California,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: that's where I've He's been accused of medical malpractice and fraud,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: yet continues to be a practicing surgeon. Today.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: This man, right now, right.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Now, you know, he is he's cut on niggas right now.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's not white, He's not he's getting
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: by his name. Yeah, he's actually very attractive. You know,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: we'll put the photos on the Instagram. Shit, he got
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: great hair. This is this is how he's gonna be charismatic.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: And he got good eyebrows to goddamn, wow, he got them.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Zendaia Brown got the dail.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: He got eyes that.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Just see you. Oh you're looking at me too hard
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: from him.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: This is a dangerous man. I can tell he's dangerous.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. So, guys, I will give you a
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: trigger warning up top. The story contains examples of domestic violence,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: graphic surgical malpractice. So take care of yourselves while listening
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: to this. If you have triggers for that, maybe just
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: listen to the first forty minutes of the podcast and
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: the last. But let's get into Pacific Hospital. Where does
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Nigga work? The former owner of Long Beach's specific hospital
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: is a man named Michael D. Drobot. I have a
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: problem immediately, Okay. So Michael, Michael looks like a Marvel villain.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a mar villain, because Marvel villains be sexy.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: You're right, you're right. He's giving lord.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's giving me gollum.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: He's giving me the precious and the precious is the hospital.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Why can people own hospital? In twenty fourteen. Drobot why
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: is his last name? Drobot? That is a villain name. Yeah,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: was charged by the FBI with conspiracy and paying illegal kickbacks.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Part of his scheme included orchestrating a nearly one billion
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: dollar health care fraud in which he inflated the cost
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: of metal hardware used in spinal surgeries. Wow.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Oh no, he's working on people's backs.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: And you know, Araby got a back problem.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: But also the back is the sort of thing that like,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: once your back is fucked, it it's over. Like it's
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: you're you're done.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: You like he said, my neck, my back, my pussy,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: and my crack. Those are vital. They're vital, and so
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: when they're fucked, they're fucked.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, no, this.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Is oh lord, yeah, it's going. Also, I don't like
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: this because if he's inflating the cost of these surgeries,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: he's found his in a lot of times when we've
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: done scam stories about doctors who found they're in they'll
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: also push some shiit on you that you don't need.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna sell you.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Upset. I didn't realize we doctor, honey get third and
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: fourth and fifth opinions, especially if you are a person
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: of color or you are plus size.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: People will get overwhelmed. And what's really wild is, look
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: we saw Asrina Williams documentary. You saw how the doctors
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: wouldn't listen to her. If they won't listen to her
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: rich ass right then, like we go in there and
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: we're just like a regular regular person. These you have
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: to be so so careful twins too, just like yond
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: like beyond you killing Beyonce? Can you imagine not listening
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: to Beyonce? Like like it just makes no sense, Like
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: racism has truly infected your brain so much so that
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: you won't even listen to Beyonce.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And it is permeated the medical industry. It always has.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Doctors are told in school to.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: That we and that we have a higher tolerance for pain.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: You're often told like you can't get you know.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Uh, they will give a hydrocodon. They won't get a
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: They won't give us the drugs that they freely give
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: out to the desperate housewives and the Housewives franchises to
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: sip with their Xanax and their Shardona. They won't give
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: it to us for life threatening issues. And like people
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: don't listen to us. So when you go to doctors,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: you have to be head on a swivel. I would
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: recommend bringing an advocate, like a friend who's very mouthy,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: if you're not mouthy, so that someone's there. And if
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: you are having a baby, get a doula. And if
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: you want to still have a baby in the hospital,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: still get a fucking doula because they do crazy ass shit.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: My friend told me that a lot of doctors will
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: rip out the placenta you have the baby so they
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: can get to the next surgery.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: And for black women, that makes you bleed to death.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: So you let the placenta fall out the cooochie like
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to fall out, and we are on tangents,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: but we got to drop these gems anyway. So this
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: nigga is a scammer. And I don't approve of this
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: already because in the healthcare industry.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, you're fucking with people's lives.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Healthcare is already a scam. Like if you call your
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: hospital where you get surgery, or.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: If you have an ambulance ride or anything.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: And you haggle with them, they will give you a
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: lower price if you haggle with them before insurance because
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: they when you go to the hospital, they charge you
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: for random ass shit you ain't even used. So healthcare
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: is already a scam. So if you're scamming on top
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: of a scam, I don't approve like you are already
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: in a scam industry bullshit. So additionally, he paid out
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: more than a fifty million dollars in bribes to drive
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: doctors to perform surgeries. We said it, We said it
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: at his hospital, So remember this, it's important. Later guys,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Drobot profited millions off of this, and he was pushing
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: people to perform these surgeries, so hold on to that yam.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: That same year, he was also sued for using counterfeit
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: hardware in those surgeries.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Counterfeit so you're getting bootleg breast set, you know, like like,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: where are you getting your instruments from? This is this
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: is bad.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: He can lay away and goddamn surgery stuff on corner long.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Going oh god, oh my god, this is terrible.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: No. Look, if you were in Mexico or the Dominican
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Republic where people expect to get discount bbls and searcher
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: don't do that.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Maybe then you could get your shit off.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: By in Long Beach, California, this dude's cutting corners, bro
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: cutting people open and cutting corners. It's just I'm not
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: here for it.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: It cutting everything. So in twenty nineteen, goddamn, this is recent.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: They already imprisoned Drobot, pled guilty to illegally selling his
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: luxury cars and keeping the proceeds for himself, which discoplayed
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: the court order of his previous commission.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: So when he was in jail, he was selling shit, selling.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Shit and getting coins. Wow, his book stayed paid up. Okay,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: this is some context to his other crimes. So so
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: we were talking about Drobot, Right, the center of this
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: is Tatuaya, right, Doctor Tantuya, right, Doctor Tonjuaya is still
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: out of jail and is still practicing metal and I
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: mean practicing like he practicing.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: He's not give me this man's address. I'm gonna order
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: a task rabbit and have them just stand outside with
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: a sign because if this guy is still practicing, people
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: need to know.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: And I've talked about this on this podcast. If you
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: are a hater, get a hater job and direct your
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: hater energies toward something that's a force of good. In
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the waw boy caught this nigga like we caught this
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: kind of shit. Back to the doctor who we started
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: talking about. So we were talking about drog Bot, the
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: evil nigga who's in jail, right, he was the one
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: who owned the hospital in Long Beach. We're now going
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: back to the actual doctor that we're talking about. So
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: his current legal problems lay at the center of Drobot's
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: specific hospital in Long Beach, California.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: However, his rap sheet goes back further.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, he was arrested and pleaded guilty to
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: attempting to dissuade a witness from reporting a crime and
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: child in Danderamine. He had pinned his wife against the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: wall in front of their children and told them, you kids, leave,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to kill your mother tonight. I told
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: you guys, there's gonna be some Jurassic violence stuff. So
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: this doctor and like, look, when you go to medical school,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: when you do all this shit to do.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: No harm, that's like the first thing you do.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: When you get a profession like this.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, because of the stigmas that American society has, and
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: many societies have, your station purports who you are. So
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: if you're a doctor or you're a celebrity, you can't
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: be this talented and this brilliant in one area and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: also be a harmful human.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean at that point, we saw the guy's
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: picture and we were like, oh my god, he's good looking,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, versus a guy named Drobot, which already sounds
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: like a fucking transformer. And then the man looks like
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: gollm So we automatically were like, uhh, not going out
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: and Jay and he's in jail. And then look at
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: this guy. He's like charming looking, he's got good hair
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: and eyebrows going on at it.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: He looks like a Disney prince.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: He looks like a Disney prince. And that's and then
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: he's a doctor, so the person that you're supposed to
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: trust and then lo and behold, he's a fucking abuser
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: and a scammer. And it also just goes to show
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: you that you can't judge a book by its cover,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: because somebody being good looking doesn't mean that their trustworthyre
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: that they're a good person.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: There's billions of people in the world and we all
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: need to detach.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: From the celebrity.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: The good lookingness like looks fade, celebrity fades, we all die.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: So there's people coming.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Up behind these people who are just as talented and
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: just as good looking, who might actually be good people.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: And we need to invest in the future and not
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: what's already been. We don't have to hitch our wagon
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: to bad people. So he did this horrible thing, told
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: his kids that he was going to kill their mother.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: God God bless his children. When one of his daughters
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: threatened to call nine to one one, he grabbed her
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: by the hair and threw her to the ground, and
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: she called, anyway, Oh yes.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I'm canceling the task. Grab it. I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: go after this guy myself.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Literally, let's get the science girl.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I got markers.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, no, he's done.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: He's a bad man. The board reviewed his license, stayed.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: That action, and put him on three years probation, which
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: allowed him to keep practicing.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Wow, three years probation. Just all, just give him all
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: the leeway.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: If you want to kill your family, you should not
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: be a goddamn doctor because you don't care about life.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you shouldn't even do a guy
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: a trade like, I don't want you anywhere near anyone else.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: You don't care about your babies and you cultn't on meat.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: I mean anything could.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Go left, you don't care what No, So no, The
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: term state is a procedure that the board uses which
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: gives them more time to review a case, but gives
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the doctor an ability to continue practicing. So when when
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: they stayed the judgment, they basically put it on hold.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: He's got influence and obviously if he was working for
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: that scammer Drobot, he probably got coin and he could
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: probably pay some people off.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: So his malpractice.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: As Drobot was dealing with mounting charges of federal criminal
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: investigations that year, Tantuaya was also involved in a medical
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: malpractice suit in addition to his twenty fourteen arrest. In
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: twenty eleven, he operated on a San Diego truck driver,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Tammy Martinez, then fifty two, had hurt her back on
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: the job. The attorney handling Martinez's workers comp claims steered
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: her towards this man as she was in danger of
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: having her compensation soon run out. So obviously a scammer.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: We're looking at this woman right now. She is missing
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: a leg.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: She's just trying to do some sort of exercising.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's an exercising Cawie Rehab, and she looks like
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: a very determined person. A truck drivers have to have,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Like the most patients. You driving all the time, all
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: you looking at is when.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: You're sitting that whole time back.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Really bad for your back and your body to just
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: be sitting constantly.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: But this woman is working out.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: She was hard working, like she looks like she's very
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: intensely trying to get her life where she wants it
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: to be. Her workers comp was about to run out
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: because America. So she was in what we call the
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: descpo meter high desperation to try to get this surgery done,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: which makes sense. So though she lived in San Diego,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the doctor Tantuwaya insisted the surgery take place at Pacific
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Hospital in Long Beach, the scam hospital.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Now she lives in San Diego, are that's.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Like three hours difference, right, that's.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Four hours, four five and if you include traffic six.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's a long journey.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Martinez found it odd that he wanted to
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: perform the surgery so far away. But what was more
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: odd was the owner of the hospital insisted on sending
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: a van to pick her up and drop her off,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: paying for a hotel room and taking care of all
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: her meals. Okay, look, we always say, ain't no such
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: thing as a free lunch, and ain't no such thing
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: as a free surgery, and getting flewed out for surgery.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Oh god, And you know what sad is to your
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: point about, you know, our healthcare system being broken. This
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: woman was clearly at her wits end. She needed this,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: so she's like, you know what, I'm just gonna go
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: along with it because I need this surgery. I need
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: to get better.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Which is such bullshit, not her wanting it, but bullshit
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: just taking advance through this much.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, taking advantage of people who are already in you know,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: disenfranchised positions and really need help. Those are the people
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: who are most susceptible of these scams.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: So during the surgery on Martinez's back, neither a Tanzawaia
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: or his assistant realized circulation had been cut off to
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: her left leg. So when we saw that photo of her,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: it's a post surgery. It wasn't until a staff member
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: mentioned the foot looked lifeless and gray that they realized,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: and it was too late. The surgeons went to botch
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: on an emergency thrombectamin a procedure looking for blood clots
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: or other blockages and her arteries and veins. Unfortunately, they
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: did not have the proper equipment nine days after so
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: they made.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Her go all the way to Long Beach and then
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: they didn't have the shit that they needed.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: And they flewed her out for this bullshit wow, because
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: he wanted that back money. Yeah, that evil doctor, doctor Drobot,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: wanted the back money, so he flewed her out to
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: the hospital where he knew he could get it, and
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: didn't have the adequate equipment to actually take care of
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: her fucking back and if something went wrong, take care
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: of her leg. Nine days after surgery, Martinez was forced
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: to drive back to the ear where doctors determined that
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: her leg was gangerous and had to be amputated. And
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: we saw in that photo where she was rehabilitating.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: She had for nine days after that, and.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: She could have died.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, this nigga is these all these niggas
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: are terrible. So Gangreen, if you don't know, is the
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: death of body tissue due to lack of blood flow
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: or serious bacterial infection. Martinez says, it took my job away.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I've always had to work for minimum wage. Because I've
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: always been on welfare and then I finally had a
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: freaking good job that I could do and support my kids.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, I'm sorry, y'all.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I know we try to do fun scams, but this
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: shit is just fucking evil, and like, well, you know.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: What, I'm glad that we're doing the story because clearly
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: this man needs to be exposed. If this should happened
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, he should not be walking around under
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: the jail.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Not under that jail. And I think car sool systems
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: are fucking bullshit, But sometimes I'm like, put the nigga
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: under the jail, like this is this is ridiculous.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Well, at the very least, like she needs to get
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: some sort of like hefty financial compensation because at the
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: end of the day, you're right, the car soole system
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: is very broken and putting him under the jail does
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: not reverse the harm that he did. Like, we need
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: to put money in this woman's pocket, because she's lost
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: her job, she's not able to provide for her kids,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: and it's all because this dude wanted to be greedy
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: and fuck with her life in her livelihood.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: So the doctor settled for five hundred thousand dollars and
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: he probably has. He has to have insurance for how record.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: I hope that money goes to her. I mean, it's again,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: it's not going to bring it's not going to bring
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: her life.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: One hundred thousand dollars is not enough. You fuck this
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: woman's life up now as an amputee. She can still
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: have a full life or a pity. Plenty of paraplegia.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: People who live full excite the pies.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: But the pain and suffering, the.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Pain and suffering, yes, that you did to her, the
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: harm you caused.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Five hundred ain't enough. He blamed the other surgeon for this.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: The medical board has taken no disciplinary action against him
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: in relation to this case. What is this medical board?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Because also, I'm about to drag y'all niggas too. You
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: have stayed, you stayed his fucking you know, he shouldn't have.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Been should as soon as that thing with his wife
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: and kids happened, he should have been practicing. Yeah. They
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: absolutely shouldn't be.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: The believer of the Marie Antoinette policy.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: If you work in government, you should know that there's
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: a guillotine outside if you fucking up. So Martinez, his lawyer,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: was later jailed for taking kickbacks from hospital owners.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: No, whoa, This dude is like the mom. He basically
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: is paying everybody else.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Everybody in his pocket.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Oh you know, they said they.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Made millions, millions of dollars and he Oh my.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: God, could you imagine you went through all of that
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: shit and then your lawyer scammed you.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: He ain't doing the Oprah Winfrey.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: You'll get a bribe. You'll get a bribe. You'll get
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a bribe. Oh my god, look under.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Your seat, doctor Tasawaye is giving you a bribe.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: He bribing me.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: He not bribing me it. I won't take the bribe,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I swear God damn. So in twenty nineteen, the board
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: rule that Touch Hawaii had been grossly negligent for failing
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: to provide pain medication to a patient after surgery. Wow,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I bet you that was a person of color. But also, like,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: that's where y'all draw the line that he didn't give
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: somebody hydro codeon. Y'all didn't draw it at him throwing
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: his daughter at him, threatening to kill his wife in
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: front of his children. You didn't draw it at him
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: having somebody flewed out to get a black surgery at
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: a at a hospital that didn't have the proper equipment
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: to take care of something. If things went awry, you
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: drew it at pain like And what I will say
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: about this is it does feel like when Dezel Washington
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: got the Oscar in training day and they.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Were like, we owe you, Yes, you really needed this
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: for earlier in.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Your wait whoop be Goldberg got the oscar for ghost
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: when she should have got it for the color purple.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: They're like, we owe you an oscar. They're like, we
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: owe you a disbarment. We owe you a disbarment. So
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: here you go, Sis, here's your disparment because we fucked
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: up a lot. They also ruled that he was dishonest
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: during his bored investigation, creating post dating records for the
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: patient's file in an apparent attempt to cover his tracks.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: The doctors, you're forging documents.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: He was on a photoshop. He's a scammer.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: He was.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: He was cooking it up like it was star Fried.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Tatuaya spent fifteen days in jail after he was convicted
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: of violating a protective order granted to his wife.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: So he's still harassing his fucking wife. He's of shit.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I hate when people who are bad, are cute because
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: it gets.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Them, But that's how hate you. But that is exactly
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: how he's gotten this far, and it just goes to
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: show you that he is a manipulator and a scammer
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: through and through from the jump.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: And also like you're already a doctor, you're making coins,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: you're doing Amazon discount back surgeries. You couldn't just stop there, No,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: you had to continue to do harm.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: But also what's wild to me about these types of
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: scammers is like, Okay, a scam is a scam if
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: you're gonna like steal money from people. This dude went
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: to medical school, Like he spent years learning and studying
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: and showing up on time and doing his residency and
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: doing his boards, and he did all of these things
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: to finish all of that work and then say now
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: I want to scam people, Like that is a true
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: like another level of psychopathy. He is a.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Genius and a sociopath and that happens a lot. And
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: we have to acknowledge that you can be a genius
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: and a sociopath.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: You can be someone who has.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Brilliant things to contribute to the world and also be
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: a nightmare to the human rights.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we can't.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: Value one over the other.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: And because we live in America, we value productivity, we
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: value genius.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Well, we also want it black and white. We also
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: want to say someone is all good or all bad
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: and how it works. It's just not like that.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Okay. So when he spent these fifteen days because he
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: violated the protective order against his wife, he failed to
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: alert the medical bores of this. Failed to alert. This
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: language is still like failed to alert. I didn't tell
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: them because he was doing crime, and you.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: Don't tell people about the crime you're doing.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: So they revoked his license and stayed the revocation and
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: put him on a two year probation.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: So they revoked his license.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Just like not giving him any consequences at every turn.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Then they were like, okay, girl, you can't practice medicine
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: because like you a lots of crimes and people lost
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: their legs and they das or whatever, and you was
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: harassing your wife, who you already was harassing and she
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: has said don't harassment no more. And the court said, okay,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: we're gonna revoke your license or whatever, but we're gonna
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: stay it for two years, so you can like cook
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: on niggas for two years. What months later, the board
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: once again revoked the license and stayed the revocation and
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: put him on a four year probation for continued violations.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: He's paying off the board, and the board should be
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: investigated and all them niggas need to be in jail
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: as well, because this is too many states.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Why why are there so many states?
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just one of those things where, like
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: you're dealing with people's lives, it should be one fuck
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: up and you're done. Do you know what I mean? Like,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: it's it's you know, it's different if you are like
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: working the cash register at a at a you know,
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: a shopping mart, and sometimes you're a little over or
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: you're a little under whatever. You get a few times
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: it's okay, but you killed someone.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: You Honestly, if you're under on your register, you're fired.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: You're fired.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: And there was a time and when I was working
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: registers where I was under and I counted my money,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: you know I did. I pulled some tips out of
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: my fucking pocket and put it in the register because
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to be fired. And so basically the standard,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: so you're so.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: The standard is higher for the person working the cash
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: register at a store than it is for someone doing
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: potentially life threatening surgery on people.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just ridiculous.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: It's heartbreaking, it's infuriating, especially when this woman, these people
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: then get scammed by like the legal system trying to
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: fix the problem.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Her lawyer scammed her. The fuck. This is a scam inception.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Everybody's getting scammed. Goddamn I getting scammed. So the board spokesman,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Carlos Viltrial said that coming down on a doctor too
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: hard can lead to costly litigation. Wow.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look at least he said the he
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: said he said it out loud, so I guess, and.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: He's the board spokesman, and he was like, we don't
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: have the coins for this litigation. And that's why this
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: is probably also word because Long Beach is a small
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: town in California. Yeah, it's not a big town. So
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: these people are probably small town folks who don't want
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: to deal with the coins of litigation.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: It's been wild to be like, hey, I know you
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: did all these bad things, but I'm not gonna do
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: anything because you might sue me for giving you consequences
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: for the bad things you did. Like that makes no sense.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: So this is the million dollar private jet fraud. Jesus Christ,
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: this is a long one, guys. I know y'all love
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: a long episode. The million dollar private jet fraud.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Still, the multiple revocations of his license not the peak
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: of Tontawaia's troubles. Wow. The shadiness with Tammy Martinez's five
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: star treatment prior to her surgery, as well as why
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: he insisted on performing it in Long Beach is all
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: related to the billion dollar kickback skame perpetrated by Michael Drobot.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Drobot was the doctor we talked about who looked like
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Gollum in the beginning, who's in the jail, so we
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: knew that he was the one who was flying people
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: out to get their backs done. According to court records,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Tontauaya was paid to do many operations at Pacific Hospital
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: that's in Long Beach. Robot provided him with a private
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: jet for the commute. Totawuayia is a licensed pilot. This
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: nigga is a genius.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Wow, And he had all this time to invest in
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: all of these certifications, but then still wants to scam
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: people do evil.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Like, if you're a genius and a savant, why can't
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: you just enjoy that and not harm people. And that's
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: what people can't wrap their brains around, and that that's
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: why he's free. Is because they're like, he's so smart,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: he's a genius, he's a pilot, he's a surgeon.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Why would he want to harm people? He's so great?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: But this is they don't mean sociopathy. They don't realize,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: don't care.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Be a sociopath and be a savant, And a lot
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: of savants.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Are like, he just doesn't care.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: So on in all, so why it was charged with
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: accepting three pointy two million dollars in bribes in the
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: form of cash, focus contracts and the jets leasing agreement
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: to perform a thirty eight million dollar thirty eight million
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: dollars worth of surgeries. Though he was first mentioned regarding
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: fraud in twenty fifteen when investigators were looking into Drobot's case,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Toutawayia was indicted, he wasn't indicted until twenty eighteen and
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: has not yet gone to trial. He has pled not guilty,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure he's gonna blame it all on Drobot
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and be like, I didn't know what was going on.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I'm just a good, nice doctor who's also a pilot
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: and an abuser and a lie.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: And that guy's name is Drobot. He obviously is the mastermind.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: He's the bad guy. Now his name is Drobot.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, y'all look at me. I'm cute, Like it's not me.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: So while awaiting trial, he remained free, but had to
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: turn over his passport and one million dollars and his jet. However,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: this past June, he was ruled a flight risk and
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: jailed in Santa Anna when authorities discovered that he secretly
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: purchased another plane and discussed fitting it with an extended
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: fuel tank.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Wow, which means he was trying to He was trying
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: to go somewhere.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Far out of the states.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: They don't keep giving this dude passes. It's so like infuriated,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: it's insane.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Why I do this podcast? A large amount of it
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: is like, yeah, it's fun, it's funny. Were talking about scams,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: it's fun. But so much that we live in is
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: a fucking scam. All the rules that we follow, all
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: the shit that we do, was made up by another
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: human being.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Who going to tell me what to do?
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: No, Like, yeah, we do need rules, we do need order,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: we need people to follow them. But the bottom line
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: is is that if you a niggah and go follow rules,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: you ain't gonna follow rules.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: But also the rules are not being applied fairly to everybody.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Nope, because if you power influence, looks you don't have
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: to follow the rules.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because every single turn, there have been times where
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: people could have stepped in and stopped this man from
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: hurting other people, and they just kept getting him chances.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: They kept being like they need to be now this time,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: don't kill anybody this time, go on your merry little way.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: Medical Board of Long Beach.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, pull up on their motherfucking asses, because this is
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: bullshit and they all need to be fired and under
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the jail as well. Because if you stand by and
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: do nothing, you are just as culpable as the people
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: who did the harm. That's why we talk about white
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: supremacy the way that we do. If you benefit from
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: it and you turn a blind eye to the people who.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Are radical and keeping you in your place, you are
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: just as bad as them.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: If you're not doing anything to stop harm, you are harmful.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Like this is fucking insane.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: So the aftermath is there's no mention of Tontawaii's involvement
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: in the federal case in the Medical Boards website because
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: he has not been convicted. Carlos Vitrallo said in an email,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: doctor Chautaua's license is renewed and current and he may
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: practice medicine in California as long as he follows the
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: terms and conditions of his probation.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Well, we know, doctor own probation.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: I don't want a doctor on paper.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I don't want what.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: No.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: This is just a really good reminder that you need
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: to do that due diligence. Google these hoes. Like it's
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: just you can't trust somebody on good looks and their words.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: When you go to the doctor. Everyone who listens to
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: this always be ready to fight. Ask questions, ask more questions.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: You are paying them. I think that there's this misconstrued thing,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: this misconstrued idea that when you go to a doctor
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: they're a healer. You're there and you're the weak, vulnerable person. Nigga,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: it's a job. It's just like if you go to
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Chick fil A and they don't give you Polynesian sauce
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: when you wanted to when you went to Big a Chicken.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: You know, like it's the same thing.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: You had to go in there, ask for receipts, ask
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: and ask and check again. Because everything is a profession,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: everything is transactional in this world, and you have to
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: make sure that people are on the up and up.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: This is fucking bullshit. Yeah, and I bet you none
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: of his patients know that he's on probation.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, No, I mean that's not something he's
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: advertising to them. I'm sure.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: So despite the federal indictment and being put on probation
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: three times in the past four years, his medical license
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: remains active. He's still listed on health grades dot com
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: as accepting new patience.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, no, I'm so glad that you're like bringing
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: this dude's name to light, because we need to light
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: his ass up.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Light him on fucking fire. This is insane.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry the bar stopped for me when he was
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: abusing his family. Yeah.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Now he's done all of the things like he's doing
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: like the fucking Bingo checklist of abusive shit.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: And then he went on to cause a woman to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: be an amputee, and he went on to do all
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: this fraudulent ass shit.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: And he's not being like.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: This is why the justice system is fucked. Money capitalism
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: fucks everything, like it just does. So, guys, who the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: sermon is over?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Am wiping off the sweat off my brow.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Pressure We for tesscal We went full pass a full.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: It's goddamn NFL Sunday. But I'm not gonna hold you.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: But we hailed them.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean, listen, we had to go there.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: I'm appreciative that you did it because somebody has to
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: expose these hosts and it's.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: Time for scammer of the week. And maybe we'll love
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: this person, maybe we'll hate them. I hope they love
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: them because.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: We need we need a lovable scammer after that.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Everybody, So.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: We might not love.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I think she's funny. A woman who was on the
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: run for being an accessory to murder, which is bad,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: was just arrested after commenting on Tulsa police departments Facebook
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: asking about her reward money. So Tulsa Police and.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Every you know what was she was she asking how
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: much the reward was to catch her?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: She was yes, that's what she was asking, but they
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: she knew how much the money was. She was asking
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: if she could get it. Like wow, now she's an
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: accessory to murder, So I have to say she was
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: like the murderer. She was there, but sounds like she
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: was there, Ma, she cared about it. Maybe she did,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: you know, she did something that she thinks that.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: She should get a reward for participating in a murder.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Anything. Marina pull up the photo so that Francesca can
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: see what this woman looks like, because when I saw
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: this on Twitter, y'all tagged me all over. She looked
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: like she looked like he.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: She looks so proud of herself.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: She's like, I'm such a rapscallion. Like she looks like ooops,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: like I did a murder. Like what She's like, oh,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: you got me? She looked like she was playing hide
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: and go seek and her feet was sticking outside of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: the bed and someone was like I see you and.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: She was like, damn you got me.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Like she don't look like she just got arrest of
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: a murder.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like accepting her faith. She's very much like, yep,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: this is what it is.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: And part of me is like, she did get a
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: criminal off the streets, you know, like.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, herself. She can't get the reward money for that, No,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: absolutely not.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: So you're not getting the home boy to report it
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: and then give her half.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, anybody did do her or the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: crime should not be able to get the money.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Absolutely no, look family and criminals.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: She also knew. Here's the thing though, she knew she
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: had no business game that money, which is why she
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: fucking went up on Facebook and asked. She was just like,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: let me just double check.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: No, she knew, she knew.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: The answer was no.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you would get on Mark Zuckerberg's
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Internet and tell anything about yourself. And the comments underneath
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: were like, oh, Sis, don't do this. Oh they gonna
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: find you. No, no, no, like she had a lot
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: of comments that were like, Sis, what are you doing?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Like your FBI agent is definitely gonna find you now.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: The Tulsa Pede posted their Facebook several images of Lorraine
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: a part of their weekly Most Wanted campaign asking for
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: information related to the murder of Eric Graves at the
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Saint Thomas Square apartments not all so.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Not long after posting, Lorraine commented where's the.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Reward money at wow? So.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Lorrain was subsequently arrested the next day at four thirty
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: pm after detectives were able to track her down at
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: a North Tulsa home two other subjects or suspects rather
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: involved in the murder have been arrested and charged.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: Lorraine's bail is sets five hundred thousand dollars.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I look, she's a necessary to murder.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: So I can't root for her because you shouldn't be
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: murdering people. No, that's not like in life. I do
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: believe in beating people's asses. Sometimes people need the ass
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: beat when.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: He might have given her the benefit of the doubt
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: if she hadn't hopped her ass up on Facebook. Because
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: talk remark, there is such thing as being in the
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: wrong place at the wrong time, Like we don't know
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: the circumstances or who that person. You know, who actually
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: killed the person, And we don't.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: Know what Eric Graves did. We don't know if he
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: was beaten on people.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: And you don't want to speculate she got on the
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: fact that she got on Facebook to inquire about the
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: reward money tells me.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Oh she is page. I don't fake pages to get
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: discounts on Toby dot com when I was in college.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: But we cannot support this if you're an access orate
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: of murder. I don't believe in taking away people's lives
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: like if you do some foul shit.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: You're bad, You're wrong. We're putting you in jail.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: And guys one, Francesca, thank you so much for giving
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: me your time. Franjisca is a booked and busy as
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: fucking genius queen who also has a beautiful heart, and
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: she lent her time to this podcast and I'm forever
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: grateful for it and for Jessica. I just have to
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: ask you what we ask at the end of this podcast.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Where do you want to be found?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: Ooh, I mean I am all over social media as
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: yes as Chessca Lee. I'm technically on a social media
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: break right now, but you can still.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Enjoy It's maybe my timeline is so empty.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Oh you know what, I'm being super productive. I'm feeling
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: good about myself. I'm not stressed.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: I just have to text you now, I guess knowing
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: what's going on with your house page, like I.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Need to know the thing. Yeah, So you can follow
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: me all across social media at Chesca Lee c H
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: E S C A l E I G H or
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: from Tresca dot net, which is my website that is
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: in sore need of being up updated. But all the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: happenings are there.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: Just go look at her on all the things, Chesca
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: Lee on all the things.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Go look at her. She's so hot. And I'm still
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: incredibly kind and brilliant. It's ridiculous. I told you God,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: he dropped all the things by accident and just started
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: up and spit you out.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Well. So I'm so glad that like all of these
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: cool opportunities have like aligned us to be able to
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: work together. And I just I can't say enough how
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: proud of you I am, and how hard working and
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: how talented you are. So I'm honored that I've only
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: got to do the podcast. I hope the congregation enjoyed.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Oh they're gonna live. When my friends come on the show,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, it's gonna be a hot mess, and
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: they know and it's gonna be fine. I just have
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: to shout out Marina bay Us, Judith Cargbo, Kaylin Brandt,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: thank you guys for the work that you guys do.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I love you guys so much. And guys, if you
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: want to find first of all, if you want to
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: snitch on your friends and family, just make sure the
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: scam is retired. Scam got his pot at gmail dot com.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Please go on iTunes or wherever you listen to this
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: podcast and rate the podcast five stars.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: Especially if you're white.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: You can put that as your reparations for the day
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: you're like, I did something for black people. Just put
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: five stars on Apple iTunes and screenshot it and tweet
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: it to me. I will retweet it. I will talk
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: Do the right thing, okay, And if you want to
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: find me.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: D I V A L A C. I dep Elacy
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: on all platforms a blacklay sketch show. All the episodes
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: of season two are streaming now HBO Max, five times
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Emmy nominated. Can You Fucking Leave?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: Also, I currently streaming now on Paramount Plus.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: Get into it.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: If you haven't seen francescoes up a Zone al colleague,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: get into it. Yeah, that's all I have to promote
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: right now. I love you guys so much. Congregation, stay scheming,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: but scheme ethically, okay, Amen, Damn Goddess. This has been
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: an Earwolf production and association with Team Coco Scam Got
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: His Stars and is hosted by me Lacey Mosley aka
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Scam Goddess. Is produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Fayist and research by Kaylin Brandt stay Scheming