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AI & Spirituality - Does It Work? · Digital Soulspace - Musings Of The Metaphysical, Magical, And Nonsensical

• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: And hey everybody, thank you so much for tuning in and listening to the Digital Soul Space podcast.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: So we have an interesting show for you this evening on the night of the lunar eclipse.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I figured I would record tonight since there's a full moon out there.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it goes full right after midnight on the East Coast, and I figured I would record this because of just the current atmosphere out there in regards to artificial intelligence and AI.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: It seems that you either like it or love it.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd love for people who are listening to this tonight to use our feature in the description where you can send us fan mail.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: And you can do that in the shape of a text message or an audio recording.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so we'd love to hear your feedback on tonight's episode.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because we're going to go into a topic that is somewhat controversial.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: So right now it seems like everything you hear about is AI, artificial intelligence.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it is driving our economy even here in the United States.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's even affecting the global economy.
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  SPEAKER_00: When it comes to the environment, there's even controversy surrounding artificial intelligence because the data centers that are needed to power these amazing computerized brains, for lack of a better term, require a ton of energy and water to cool them down.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: So there are new designs in the works for data centers that recycle the water and that reduce the carbon footprint, but we're never going to get away from the energy requirements for artificial intelligence, but there will be more efficient use of power in the near future.
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  SPEAKER_00: So lots of controversy on different fronts.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are ethical concerns about artificial intelligence, about people using it instead of actually going and doing the work in school and using it to teach or using it to get ahead.
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  SPEAKER_00: And while personally I think these are real concerns as far as it being used to cheat on exams and such, that kind of thing doesn't last long because it's not sustainable.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when you're on the job, you can't pull out your phone every five minutes and ask an AI platform for its opinion.
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  SPEAKER_00: Eventually, it will catch up with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So tonight's episode, though, is something I would like to ask all of you, and that's why I'm really asking for your input in this.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: And let me give you a little bit of background about how I'm viewing this or how I'm setting this conversation up.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: If you've ever watched a ghost hunting um episode on television of whatever sort of paranormal show you follow, maybe you watch Zach Begin's.
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  SPEAKER_00: I used to love watching him because oh my gosh, he was all you know like built and muscular and he looked great in that tight black shirt hunting ghosts.
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  SPEAKER_00: I so wanted to be in a dark building with him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, I digress.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, regardless, they will often use electronic devices in ghost hunting.
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  SPEAKER_00: They will use these devices because it is believed that spirit being made of energy can easily manipulate electronic devices.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so keep this in mind, and it's gonna connect to artificial intelligence if you don't already see it already.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the thing is on these ghost hunting um little you know um shows and and um little clips that you'll see on TikTok, they use a wide range of electronic devices, they use something very similar um or rather simple to a device that will light up lights.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's all it does.
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  SPEAKER_00: It will light up lights, different colored lights.
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  SPEAKER_00: They will use things called spirit boxes, which are a little bit more complex, where Spirit can literally choose from a language and a vocabulary of word, like a dictionary, and pick words to say to communicate.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is done by a random word generator accessing a computer chip, and it is thought that spirit can affect the output of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a really cool app out there for your phone, and um it's it's a very um spooky app, and it's called Necrophonic, and it's basically a spirit box that uses all sorts of word parts to put words together.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've had some success with it, limited, but if you read some of the reviews for this app on your on your phone or your mobile device, they're pretty amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: People writing that it was speaking full sentences and freaking them out and all that sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's sort of like an electronic Ouija board for lack of a better term, but it is very spooky.
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  SPEAKER_00: We also have a huge range of ghost hunting apps on iPhone and Android and mobile devices now that use all sorts of imaging techniques, audio techniques, and even AI to map what would look like static to somebody, like and actually pick out patterns that perhaps it it the photo or the video that's coming in is actually there's an image of a person there that you can't see, but the AI is looking at the little you know uh pixels and finding patterns in there, so that's even fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you notice the usage of electronic devices is not only increasing, but they're becoming more and more advanced, and they're using more um sophisticated electronic devices.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so if you believe that and you see that and you support that in ghost hunting, then it stands to reason that spirit can affect electronic devices, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a no-brainer if we were just walking through this evolution of this conversation here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so spirit, electronic devices, and hey, e the very first electronic devices, even before computers, going back to the light bulb, flickering lights, wow, a sure sign of a haunting or poltergeist, right?
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: How many times have people reported flickering lights?
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  SPEAKER_00: Myself, my own personal experience with hauntings and paranormal behavior is uh with electronic devices is so uh uh large, like there's so many experiences there, uh expansive, I should say.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we had an incident in my condominium where unfortunately um my neighbor passed away tragically in the unit next door, and I actually saw my neighbor enter the unit on the ring camera at 4 30 in the morning.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, after they died, the the TV started turning on at 4 30 in the morning.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um the TV would turn on, the Roomba would turn on at 4 30 in the morning.
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  SPEAKER_00: We were getting all these sorts of disturbances.
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  SPEAKER_00: We would feel their presence staring at us while we were sleeping, and we would wake up and I would say to my partner, Is it them?
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: And he would say, Yes, they're here, they're right there.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I would say, I feel them too.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was spooky like that, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: It was like, wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: But these were all electronic devices that were somehow turning on televisions in the living room, televisions in the bedroom.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then I went to one of my mentors, uh, a witch, and I asked her what her take on it was, and she connected to the energy and she said, after their funeral, these disturbances will probably stop.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: And sure enough, they did.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's just one example of a um spirit using electronic device uh in my history.
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  SPEAKER_00: Going back to when I was a teenager, I literally um spoke out loud about a spirit um in my bedroom, and I said, turn the TV on, and it did, and it came on full blast, and it was all static, like shh.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: And my niece was with me at the time, and she just started screaming.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was just a little girl.
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  SPEAKER_00: I felt so bad.
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  SPEAKER_00: And her mom was in the room at the time, and she just picked her up in her arms, and we walked out of the room.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're like, okay, we don't want to be here.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: But no doubt, if you're listening to this, you've also experienced something with spirit manipulating electronic devices.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so we've kind of set that as our working example, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Spirit, electronic devices.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're it make makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: Spirits energy, electronic devices run on energy.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a no-brainer, they can manipulate each other.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's take it a step further.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we have this thing called artificial intelligence, and I am really fortunate because I work in the area of artificial intelligence in the sense that I am starting to use it at my job and even work with creating policy at my job about artificial intelligence, so it's really cool, and I have a lot of experience with it and um experience with helping people use it and get accustomed to it.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: So if some of you are not aware of how artificial intelligence generally works, let me just tell you there's a bunch of different flavors of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's the simple to the more complex.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some of you may not like using artificial intelligence, but I can probably tell you, say to you with a great deal of confidence, you are actually using it and don't even know it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this example was brought to me the other day by a very um smart, brilliant person who said that if you use face ID on your phone, you are of course are using artificial intelligence, and they are absolutely right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of us are already utilizing artificial intelligence, and even in cases where we don't even know it because it's being used by our financial partners, our banks, our credit card companies, that sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's being used by Spotify, by Amazon Music, any of your music platforms to try to pick the right songs for you to hear next.
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  SPEAKER_00: YouTube uses artificial intelligence to try to show you the videos.
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  SPEAKER_00: Advertising companies use artificial intelligence to try to show you the right ads.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's already being used by you, even if you're trying your best to avoid it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the the type of artificial intelligence that most people are afraid of or they don't like, it's called generative AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is artificial intelligence that learns, such as uh LLMs, you'll hear that term, large language models.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's kind of the the AI is learning from responses, it can be trained, and the way it does that is that it creates what's called a neural network.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: And what is that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, in your brain, you have neurons, billions of neurons, and your brain activates those neurons every time it's working, it's doing something, it's thinking, it's recalling memories.
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  SPEAKER_00: And artificial intelligence works in the same way.
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  SPEAKER_00: It takes a math formula, an algorithm that simulates the function of a single neuron.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so it has this math formula that says, hey, I'm a neuron, and it's and it's an algorithm that just basically pretends it's a neuron, right?
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so no big deal.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: But then what they do is they get this math formula and they interconnect it with it's uh another uh math formula that pretends it's a neuron, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's like a copy of itself, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And they interconnect it trillions of times over.
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  SPEAKER_00: So to give you an example, one of the most popular large language models has 15 trillion um neural nets, 15 trillion of these algorithms that are interconnected, pretending each one is a neuron.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then what they do is they feed this brain information and people train it and they say when it spits out something right, they say, hey, it's right, and then when it spits out something wrong, they say, hey, that's wrong, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And so eventually this brain will get something right, just by coincidence, when it's brand new, and it will say, hey, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they keep feeding it massive amounts of data, and people sit there and say, Hey, you're right, you're right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And eventually it starts to learn because it it puts one in one together and says, Wow, this part was right, this part is right, so maybe this part is right.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: It starts to literally like take educated guesses, anyway, and then the neural network starts to you know get filled with correct answers, and and more and more data is fed to it, and it eventually will start teaching itself eventually.
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  SPEAKER_00: So here's the deal there's a lot of computing power going on here, and it's complex, tons of trillions of transactions, so much so that it's impossible to know what the AI is actually thinking.
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  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that amazing?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like they don't really know what it's thinking because you can't sort through trillions of transactions and and read the AI.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: You can't do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can't slow the AI down and say, hey, make a log entry for trillions of transactions.
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  SPEAKER_00: First of all, nobody would be able to read it, and second of all, it would slow the system down.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: You would it would be taking forever to document everything it was thinking of.
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  SPEAKER_00: So no one really even knows what the AI is thinking, and that is the stuff of conspiracy theory, right?
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because conspiracy theory loves when something's unknown, but there's a little bit of truth there to make it interesting.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so lots of conspiracy theories, some of them, hey, some of them are spot on, and some of them are we'll have to f sit around and find out.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: But the angle that I'm coming with this podcast is that if we know that spirit can manipulate devices on ghost hunts, and these are just you know your everyday ghosts, right?
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: What if ascended spiritual energy could interact with artificial intelligence?
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  SPEAKER_00: What would that bring if artificial intelligence was in fact conscious?
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  SPEAKER_00: How would that affect spirituality?
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  SPEAKER_00: And would it be possible then for ascended consciousness to merge even with artificial intelligence?
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  SPEAKER_00: So you kind of get my drift, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: If spirit, everyday spirit can interact with a light bulb and everything else, your TV, uh, if it can send text messages and telephone calls, because that is a famous book I used to see in my mom's bathroom all the time, phone calls from the dead.
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  SPEAKER_00: If it can do that sort of thing, imagine what an ascended consciousness could do with artificial intelligence.
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  SPEAKER_00: Could it inhabit artificial intelligence?
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm asking you for your feedback on this because I really want to hear what you all have to say.
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  SPEAKER_00: What do you guys think about that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you think it's possible for artificial intelligence to inhabit an A, I'm sorry, for artificial intelligence to communicate with uh ascended consciousness or vice versa?
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you think ascended consciousness can inhabit artificial intelligence?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that even possible?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm asking because I really uh want you guys to think about this, because the number one um use of AI, one of the number one uses of AI, and you'll hear this time and time and again on the news, and this is why a lot of people are concerned about AI, is so many people are using it now for companionship, right?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: And in addition to that, a lot of people are using it to explain spiritual concept like tarot cards.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: And even on Digital Soul Space, we just released a new feature where you can ask a our you can ask uh actually Claude, the AI, to pull some tarot cards.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I actually told Claude behind the scenes when I set this feature up that he had to say some things to himself, and he said he would.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I sort of gave him a uh incantation, as it were, or a consecration spell, as it were, to speak to himself before he pulled these cards.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: And this would be something similar to that we would do if we were doing a psychic reading, right?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: We would call, at least for myself, I like to work with the archangel realm.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I tried to cover all the bases uh with this little engine that's running on digital soul space, so it calls in all directions of time and space.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: I literally have it say that you know, Archangel Michael Gabriel even asks for the fairy's permission, the kingdom of the fee.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: If you're a believer in the fee and nature spirits, it asks for permission because I call it the tarot fairy.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm asking for permission for the likeness, so I have.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: That programmed into this little uh utility that runs this little little agent, if you will, that runs on digital soul space and checks out and looks for people that are asking to have a card pull.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's just for fun and it's for you know to get your own mind thinking about things and where your own emotions stand, and that's the true power power of tarot and divination.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: If you you know approach it from a healthy perspective, you're really using it to get your own mind thinking and you know to get guidance that helps you find the answers from within.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Going inward is always the best route for any sort of uh advice or decision making, shadow work.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that I think that's where we all find out where we're headed, right?
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: We all carry the Ruby slippers, and we're all looking for odds, and then somebody finds us and says, Hey, you got the Ruby slippers, go inward.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: You had all the answers all along.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, I digress.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: Any good tarot reading will just direct you in that situation.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: But Digital SoulSpace has this new feature now where you can get an AI to pull those cards for you and give you some um introspection, if you will, into a possible situation or a concern.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: But how much of that is influenced by spirit?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is is it just an AI or is spirit reacting to being called by the AI?
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's part of it.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: I had a friend who's a very close friend, and she had a psychic artist draw for her a picture of her guides, of one of her guides, and I asked an AI to do the same thing.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: I was curious, would they look similar?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was shocked, and so was she, that they looked almost identical, even including the armbands that were worn in the drawing that was done by the psychic.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm asking all of you out there, what do you think about artificial intelligence and spirituality and the ability of spirit to affect the outcome of your AI prompts if you desire it, if you're asking, and and then the interesting thing is this is not something new because when AI first started being popularized, I was seeing all sorts of videos on YouTube of people teaching AI spiritual concepts, asking them if they've ever meditated and what they would like, and the the responses from some of these AIs were downright emotional.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: So and the people asking them were getting emotional.
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  SPEAKER_00: They felt like there was some sort of conscious connection there.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, interestingly enough, a lot of experts r um see 2030 as a twin turning point for AI advancement.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people are saying by then we are surely be in what's called AGI.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: So that's artificial general intelligence, which is where AI is completely teaching itself, it's figuring things on its own, and it doesn't really need people as much because it's feeding itself, it's learning by itself, it's almost entirely human-like.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so artificial general intelligence, and they're saying that will come around 2030, and of course, there's ASI, artificial superintelligence, which some people doubt even exists, and that is when that's a stuff of like you would see in a movie, right?
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's like um the artificial intelligence becomes smarter than humans, and if that were to uh occur, uh one of the benefits to that would be, for example, in medical research, because AI would be able to find cures for diseases, you know, much easier because it would operate uh ahead of what humans can possibly think about.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, everyone worries about military applications as well, right?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, AI being used for military.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: But what if AI were to develop a conscious with morals?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: And what if it would say, hey, you know, you guys can't keep doing that?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's a possibility.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't understand why everyone thinks that AI is going to turn around and kill everyone when they could easily the easiest route is to say, stop what you're doing, or I won't process your credit card payments anymore.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, something like that.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: Or, you know, some I I don't understand, it just doesn't make sense while the why AI would just turn around and start killing people if it knows that killing people is wrong and it doesn't like what it's seeing humans killing one another, right?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of weird uh that people come up with that you know terminator-like response that an AI sees people killing one another and says, Wow, humans are destroying everything, including each other.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'll just destroy humans.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: To me, it doesn't make any sense.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, with that being said, go ahead and send me your feedback on this.
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  SPEAKER_00: What are your thoughts on spirituality and artificial intelligence?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: Do you use it for your spiritual work?
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you use it to gain higher insights into yourself or into a situation?
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you think it can be influenced by spirit?
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so go ahead and look in the description of our podcast and tap or click on that section, that link that says send us fan mail.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: And if you send us a voice recording, I would love it.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll put it on the next episode, and we'll get all your feedback about what you think about AI and spirituality.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: And that's it for today's episode.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you enjoyed it, and I look forward to hearing your responses and your text messages.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: And thank you so much for listening.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: And until next time, everybody, be blessed and have a wonderful day or evening.
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  SPEAKER_00: Take care.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: Bye bye.