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Discussing the Eclipse, and Debunking Date Setting | Lee Brainard · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast today everyone, Mando Goodzalez here in
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Speaker 2: studio sitting at the Illustrious podcast table with Lee Brainerd.
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Speaker 2: Welcome Lee Mondo.
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Speaker 3: It's great to be at the Prophecy Watchers crew again.
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Speaker 3: I treasure every minute I get to spend here.
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Speaker 2: So here we are, and you know a couple things
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Speaker 2: to mention here, Lee, you and I we are going
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Speaker 2: to be in Colorado Springs here June twenty seventh to
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Speaker 2: the twenty ninth at our Prophecy conference. If you have
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Speaker 2: not heard about that, join us. We certainly would love
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Speaker 2: to see in person at Colorado Springs. You can go
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Speaker 2: to Watchers Weekend Colorado dot com get all the information
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Speaker 2: we're gonna have I don't know twenty speakers there. It'll
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Speaker 2: be great time. And then if you can't be there,
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Speaker 2: we'll join us on live stream. That'll be coming out
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Speaker 2: very soon. But things are happening so so fast, Lee,
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Speaker 2: and this is a opportunity when we when we do
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Speaker 2: these things. Oh one more thing before I leave, that
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Speaker 2: is join us in for our Alaska cruise we have.
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Speaker 2: We'll be there in August and I know there's I
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Speaker 2: think there's a few rooms left on that and you know, leave.
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Speaker 2: People ask and I'll just say, this is why are
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Speaker 2: we doing all this, all these confidences. Well two two reasons.
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Speaker 2: One is time is short. But the second thing is
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Speaker 2: we're doing them why we can, because we don't know.
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Speaker 2: We saw with again with COVID that things got shut down,
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Speaker 2: and so even even churches were trying to attempted to
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Speaker 2: be shut down, and some of them did. So we
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Speaker 2: do this because, as Jesus said, while the day is,
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Speaker 2: you work because night's coming.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. One thing I've observed, and sometimes people
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Speaker 3: miss this if they're so used to the classic church
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Speaker 3: model focus on the work of the Lord. There's been
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Speaker 3: a lot of people saved, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds
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Speaker 3: of thousands of people saved in the last three years
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Speaker 3: through social media, through YouTube, through podcasts, and this is
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Speaker 3: still expanding.
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Speaker 2: It really is. And so you know, today, Lee, so
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Speaker 2: here we are. I enjoyed the eclipse. I was actually
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Speaker 2: in Arkansas. I got to see the whole thing, beautiful
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Speaker 2: clear skies. Took some images of that. We'll be sharing
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Speaker 2: those with with our audience relatively soon as we dial
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Speaker 2: them all in and again do our work on those.
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Speaker 2: But the eclipse, as we know, you and I had
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Speaker 2: we've talked about this on several occasions up to the
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Speaker 2: coming of the eclipse. This was a very unusual thing
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Speaker 2: that happened in the church. And I'm gonna just I'll
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Speaker 2: set the stage here in a minute as I do,
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Speaker 2: and then I want you to get your comments in
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Speaker 2: that I would say the last time that we saw
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Speaker 2: this level of I don't know, I want to be
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Speaker 2: fair excitement if we say negatively, would be hysteria, was
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Speaker 2: with the blood moons in twenty fourteen and fifteen, and
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Speaker 2: of course that came and went and then but I
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Speaker 2: didn't see any of this coming up to the twenty
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Speaker 2: seventeen eclipse August of twenty seventeen. But now here we are,
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Speaker 2: you know, with the X marks the spot idea over
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Speaker 2: over America and coming up over the last few months,
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Speaker 2: especially that there has been a tremendous amount of interest, excitement,
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Speaker 2: and other even people say they're not predicting, but there
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Speaker 2: has been. I've seen it, I've read them, I've watched
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Speaker 2: the predictions. So before we get into what we want
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Speaker 2: to evaluate today, because I really want to say, is hey,
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Speaker 2: what did we see? Where are we at today with
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Speaker 2: the church? What do we look for from scripture? What
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Speaker 2: would God have us say? But you know, Lee, is
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Speaker 2: it is it okay to be excited for the Lord's return?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely? I would say you have a spiritual problem if
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Speaker 3: you're not excited about the Lord's return, either your heart
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Speaker 3: is cold or you've got a wrong doctrinal foundation. The
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Speaker 3: coming of the Lord should be the most exciting aspect
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Speaker 3: of our Christian life because when the Lord comes back,
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Speaker 3: he is bringing what he died for in the first place.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and and and so again we're what we want
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Speaker 2: to do today is we're this is really going to
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Speaker 2: be a podcast, uh, with with the goal of seeking
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Speaker 2: what the scripture would say about having discernment, because you know,
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Speaker 2: the eclipse is one thing signs in the heavens, you know.
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Speaker 2: And but also as we continue down this road, this
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Speaker 2: this very uh, it's we're going down a decline, right,
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Speaker 2: you know, You're you're declining and let's say at a
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Speaker 2: one percent grade. And every day that happens, that grade
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Speaker 2: is getting deeper and deeper. So pretty soon as we
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Speaker 2: get closer to the rapture and the end of the age,
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Speaker 2: and more and more things are happening. That decline is
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Speaker 2: going to almost going to be straight down at the
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Speaker 2: time of the rapture. So we know that things are
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Speaker 2: going to be more exciting, more interesting as the world
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Speaker 2: prepares itself for the coming tribulation. So we don't want
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Speaker 2: to I just lead to my heart that people would say, hey, look,
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Speaker 2: I'm excited about the rapture. You're excited about the rapture.
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Speaker 2: It's absolutely not wrong. We're not saying don't watch for signs.
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Speaker 2: We're not saying Jesus told us Mark thirteen thirty seven.
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Speaker 2: He just gave the whole list of things, and he
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Speaker 2: said to be watching. So we're not certainly criticizing anybody watching.
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Speaker 2: What we want to do is to say we need
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Speaker 2: to watch with a certain level of discernment as well
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Speaker 2: as biblical accuracy.
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Speaker 3: Exactly thoughts I agree one hundred percent. That's been my
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Speaker 3: complaint from the very beginning of this whole situation. To me,
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Speaker 3: I just felt like we were revisiting the September rapture
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Speaker 3: theory of last year, the Shmida rapture theory of twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty to we're revisiting these kind of scenarios where people
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Speaker 3: were looking at this eclipse saying this is a sign
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Speaker 3: of judgment in America and the rapture of the Church.
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Speaker 3: And I look at it. I said, well, how can
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Speaker 3: something that just a normal cycle in a nature, a
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Speaker 3: regular cycle, how can that be a sign of judgment?
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Speaker 3: And that was my question. We want to base our
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Speaker 3: signs of judgment on something that we see in scripture
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Speaker 3: and precept, in principle or in precedence.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really the key is. And so that's what
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Speaker 2: I want to we want to get into today is
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Speaker 2: look into the heavens and what that means. And again, Jesus,
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Speaker 2: look twenty one. You know, let me just read this
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Speaker 2: Lea if you don't mind, because you know here we are.
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Speaker 2: This is a very passage that is read by many people,
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Speaker 2: and so here we are Luke twenty one. This is
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Speaker 2: this is Jesus talking in the All of It discourse,
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Speaker 2: and he says He's given the whole, you know, presented
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Speaker 2: presentation of the end of the age, and there will
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Speaker 2: be signs in sun and moon and stars and on
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Speaker 2: the earth, distress of nations and perplexity because of the
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Speaker 2: roaring of the sea, and the waves, people fainting with
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Speaker 2: fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world,
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Speaker 2: for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Okay,
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Speaker 2: so of course, and then he goes, well, I'll just
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Speaker 2: read the rest of it. And when they will see
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Speaker 2: the sun of men coming in the cloud with power
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Speaker 2: and great glory. Now, when these things begin to take place,
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Speaker 2: straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is
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Speaker 2: drawing near. So let me just jump in here for
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Speaker 2: a minutely, because in the dispensational camp you have people
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Speaker 2: that will say that what you see and the element
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Speaker 2: discourse has nothing to do with the Church. It only
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Speaker 2: has everything to do with the Jews or those inside
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Speaker 2: of the tribulation period. So here and for example, Luke
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Speaker 2: twenty one twenty seven, this is a verse that's quoted you.
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Speaker 2: When you see these things twenty one twenty eight. When
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Speaker 2: these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise
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Speaker 2: your heads, for your redemption is drawing near. So one
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Speaker 2: camp in the dispensational group will say, whoa that has
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with the Church, has nothing to do
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Speaker 2: with the rapture, That has everything to do with those
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Speaker 2: that are inside the tribulation period, that are watching the
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Speaker 2: events of the tribulation period. And therefore when you see
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Speaker 2: those things, know that the redemption he's talking about the
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Speaker 2: Son of Man coming in a cloud's that's that's the
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Speaker 2: second coming that at the end of the at the
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Speaker 2: end of the tribulation. And you know, I haven't even
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Speaker 2: asked you. You might, you might you and I might disagree
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Speaker 2: with that, but I actually, even though I see the
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Speaker 2: rapture the rescue in the all of a discourse in
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Speaker 2: different places, I do think this is not referring to
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Speaker 2: the church at all. This is referring primarily to those
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Speaker 2: that are inside directly, like explicity.
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Speaker 3: But again your thoughts, Well, I agree that the passage
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Speaker 3: that you just read explicitly is at the end of
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Speaker 3: the seventieth weekends, at the end of this time of
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Speaker 3: the dawning. But he doesn't say when you see the
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Speaker 3: end things. He says, when you see these signs begin.
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Speaker 3: And so when do those signs begin? Well, you have
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Speaker 3: to look at the things that in the flow of
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Speaker 3: time in the passage, go right to the very beginning.
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Speaker 3: And what's the first thing that's in the passage? Well,
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Speaker 3: you if you don't understand the birth of Israel. You
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Speaker 3: don't have any place to set those prophecies that concern Israel.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's okay, let's let's let's jump in here
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Speaker 2: for a minute. Because the how the signs in the heavens. Okay,
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Speaker 2: one of the other things that we saw in people
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Speaker 2: looking for biblical justification. I appreciate that that people are
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Speaker 2: looking for biblical justification to look to obey Jesus's command.
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Speaker 2: Here signs and the sun, moon stars. Okay, they are
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Speaker 2: looking to the heavens for as signs. And that comes
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Speaker 2: back to Genesis chapter one. So why don't you why
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Speaker 2: don't you read that and then comment, because we want
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Speaker 2: to discuss whether that exegetical or hermoneutical approach was legitimate
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Speaker 2: to apply that passage to the end of the age scenario.
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Speaker 3: Then God said, let there be lights in the firmament
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Speaker 3: of the heavens. I would translate that in the expanse
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Speaker 3: of the heavens, to divide the day from the night,
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Speaker 3: and let them be for signs and seasons and for
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Speaker 3: days and for years. This raises a big question, is
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Speaker 3: this talking about two different sets of signs signs of judgment,
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Speaker 3: particularly the signs at the end of the age, and
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Speaker 3: then signs for the seasons, the days, and the years,
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Speaker 3: so that signs for the feasts, for the spring and
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Speaker 3: summer equinoxes, and for the winter in the spring and
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Speaker 3: fall boxes in the summer and winter solstices. Well, no,
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Speaker 3: this is just one set of signs here. This is
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Speaker 3: the creation purpose of the heavens. The creation purpose of
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Speaker 3: the heavens had no reference to judgment. And when this
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Speaker 3: age runs its course and we go into the eternal
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Speaker 3: purposes of God, these creation signs that were mentioned here
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Speaker 3: in Genesis and the Creation account, they will go on
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Speaker 3: for all of eternity continually pointing to calendrical markings for seasons,
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Speaker 3: times in years, and there will be no reference at
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Speaker 3: all to judgment.
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Speaker 2: See that really is super important because it's p Again everybody,
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Speaker 2: everybody that is discussing that was discussing the eclipse and
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Speaker 2: is they all go back to Genesis one signs and
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Speaker 2: seasons and you go, okay, but again context, so sure
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Speaker 2: they're reading an omen a sign of judgment, a sign
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Speaker 2: of warning, which those are all negative. You know, if
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Speaker 2: you have to warn somebody you're warning of that's a
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Speaker 2: negative thing. But again for the for the result of
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Speaker 2: somethingods but nevertheless it's a it's a warning of a
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Speaker 2: negative thing. Well, in my mind again, I love astronomy
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Speaker 2: as people. Most people know Genesis one, there is no
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Speaker 2: evil here. He just declared everything good.
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Speaker 3: Yes, we're in the creation account before the fall.
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Speaker 2: There's there's no mention of judgment, there's no mention of evil,
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Speaker 2: there's no mention of a warning. There's no mention of
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Speaker 2: an omen that even in the original creation order, they
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Speaker 2: were fulfilling their purpose without any isogetical or people reading
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Speaker 2: into it. Oh, an eclipse means something bad. It's an omen.
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Speaker 2: And this is why this is important because right here
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Speaker 2: in the beginning, which is fascinating is we know the
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Speaker 2: word for son and Hebrew Shemish. The word for moon
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Speaker 2: is yarech, like where we have the word Jericho from.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting that God, that Moses is writing this in
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Speaker 2: fourteen hundred, let's say fourteen forty BC. Okay, so they
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Speaker 2: come out of Egypt, they're familiar with their surrounding nations,
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Speaker 2: to Mesopotamia, et cetera, because Abraham is from Mesopotamia, so
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Speaker 2: they're familiar with the religious ideas of the day. But
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Speaker 2: it's interesting as Moses writes this, okay, he does not
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Speaker 2: use the word sun, he does not use the word moon.
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Speaker 2: Those Chemesh and Yaak were very specific deities in these
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Speaker 2: ancient worlds, and so God's like, I'm not even going
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Speaker 2: to allow their names to be written in here. It's
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Speaker 2: the greater light and the lesser light. So he puts
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Speaker 2: them in there, and the stars also. So right there
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Speaker 2: in the beginning, as Moses is writing this and talking
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Speaker 2: about what God created, we see that God was not
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Speaker 2: going to allow these words because those names were used
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Speaker 2: to incite fear in the pagan world. And God's like, no,
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Speaker 2: I'm sovereign over all that you don't need to be
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Speaker 2: worried about the hosts of heaven, that they're going to
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Speaker 2: be ominous to you, that they're going to direct something,
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Speaker 2: they're going to warn you. Talk a little bit about
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Speaker 2: that of how the ancient Pagans and maybe I can,
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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe you don't mind, I'll read this passage
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Speaker 2: to you and then you this is Jeremiah tenth. So
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Speaker 2: this is pagan central right here, that they have adopted
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Speaker 2: the Canaanite religions, and this is why God was kicking
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Speaker 2: them out of the land. About six hundred BC. God
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Speaker 2: says this in Jeremih chapter ten. Here the word that
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Speaker 2: the Lord speaks to you, O house of Israel. Thus
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Speaker 2: says the Lord, learn not the way of the nations
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Speaker 2: or the gentiles, nor be dismayed at the signs of
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Speaker 2: the heavens, because the nations are dismayed at them.
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Speaker 3: Talk about that, Yeah, well, I find it fascinating that
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Speaker 3: one of the claims that was put forth in those
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Speaker 3: that were I would say, sensationalize the eclipse and making
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Speaker 3: it a sign of judgment or a sign of the
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Speaker 3: rapture or both. They would put forth and say, well,
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Speaker 3: eclipses have always been signs of judgment. Well, that's not
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Speaker 3: the question.
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Speaker 2: But I would challenge that statement right there. Yeah, by who?
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Speaker 3: And that was exactly the point, because the question for
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Speaker 3: us is does the Bible present to us a precept, principle,
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Speaker 3: or precedence for looking to eclipses and blood moons is
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Speaker 3: signs of judgment? Well, as soon as you go there,
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Speaker 3: the answer is no.
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Speaker 2: Where give me one verse that is from Genesis one. Now,
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Speaker 2: now let me say this, you and I we understand
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Speaker 2: and we'll talk about this inside the tribulation that seven
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Speaker 2: year period, there's gonna be all kinds of things, and
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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what's happening inside the tribulation.
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Speaker 2: But up from the time of creation until the rapture,
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Speaker 2: is there any scripture that tells us that eclipses are
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Speaker 2: going to happen or that eclipses our signs of judgment anywhere?
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Speaker 3: I can't think of a single one zero. And so
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Speaker 3: when they bring up this thing, well, eclipses have always
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Speaker 3: been a sign of judgment amongst the Heathen nations, amongst
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Speaker 3: the gentiles, amongst the world at large. And here we
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Speaker 3: have this is fascinating to me. The very passage that
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Speaker 3: says learn not the ways of the Heathen, which every
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Speaker 3: solid conservative evangelical applies to a lot of things in
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Speaker 3: this world around us, we should apply this also to
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Speaker 3: looking to eclipses and blood moons as signs of judgment. Now,
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Speaker 3: we're not questioning people's motives, so we want to make
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Speaker 3: that clear.
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Speaker 2: We love them absolutely, Yep.
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Speaker 3: We're not saying that their heretics, we're not saying that
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Speaker 3: they're going to get an f and exegetical class. We're
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Speaker 3: just saying on this one subject that they could do
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Speaker 3: a little better.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because and now think about what what Jeremiah is
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Speaker 2: saying here, and this is this again, it goes back
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Speaker 2: to Genesis one, fourteen through sixteen in a context of good. Yes,
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Speaker 2: that's right, there's nothing there that is bad. These are
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Speaker 2: And some people say, well it goes back there, and
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Speaker 2: they're taking in this negative omen idea, forcing it on
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Speaker 2: Genesis one that God was intending for the signs and
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Speaker 2: the seasons, the o tote the signs in Hebrew and
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Speaker 2: the moadeem that those would be reflecting negative connotations of judgment.
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Speaker 2: And you go, that's not what Genesis one is saying.
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Speaker 2: There's no way you can get that out. And there's
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Speaker 2: not a single verse anywhere else from Genesis one up
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Speaker 2: until the time of the start of the Tribulation that
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Speaker 2: you could prove that God meant those things to be negative.
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Speaker 2: They were typical normal things. Again, like I've said before others,
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Speaker 2: I can go out right now it's March twenty first,
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Speaker 2: Well it's a little bit past that, but I can
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Speaker 2: go out at midnight and I can look at the
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Speaker 2: Big Dipper and I'm like, the Big Dipper's pointing directly
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Speaker 2: to the right at the three o'clock position. One o
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Speaker 2: clock that tells me it's spring. It tells me it's
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Speaker 2: the spring equinox. I know that in winter it's pointing
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Speaker 2: down that's the December solstice. So it's fascinating to me
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Speaker 2: that the Big Dipper itself is simply going out. I
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Speaker 2: can tell you I'm not saying about moto, but it
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Speaker 2: reveals the seasons of the year that it's very amazing
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Speaker 2: and so and also signs are the modeem. We'll say
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Speaker 2: it that way. Otote is the signs, and you have
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Speaker 2: the seasons, which is the modeem. Well, clearly we know
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Speaker 2: that the months of Israel start on the new moon.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly right right, and they're not on a solar calendar.
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Speaker 2: Those are all very benign. There's nothing evil. But let's
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Speaker 2: focus on this lee. How then, did the nations, these
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Speaker 2: wicked non biblical pagan nations, the hosts of heaven, the
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Speaker 2: evil fallen angels, other things, how did they use the
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Speaker 2: heavens to intimidate and bring fear?
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Speaker 3: Well, first, I want to lay a foundation under that thought.
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Speaker 3: Then we'll go develop that thought. The fact of the
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Speaker 3: matter is eclipses happen fairly.
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Speaker 2: Regular every two years of lease somewhere every.
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Speaker 3: Eclipse crossings happen every twenty to forty years, depending upon
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Speaker 3: which are the world you're looking at, you'll see eclipse crossings.
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Speaker 3: They're not that rare. So when you see these things
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Speaker 3: happening on a regular basis, you also see wars, the
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Speaker 3: deaths of famous persons. They all happen on a regular
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Speaker 3: basis too, So when you line these up in history,
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Speaker 3: you're going to find that there's actually a fairly high
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Speaker 3: number of blood boons and eclipse years that are going
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Speaker 3: to have big events.
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Speaker 2: You can find if you go looking, you'll find some
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Speaker 2: correlation or something bad happens. Bad things happen all the time.
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Speaker 3: So people notice this correlation. But there were savvy people
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Speaker 3: who were in the elite class who learned how to
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Speaker 3: calculate eclipses and calculate blood moons. And they didn't have
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Speaker 3: them calculated like we do today, where we could calculate
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Speaker 3: them to the day and even to the hour the second,
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Speaker 3: but they were able to at least calculate them to
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Speaker 3: the month, to the year in the month, and so
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Speaker 3: you'd have these people who would tell the people, if
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Speaker 3: you don't do such and such according to the leading
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Speaker 3: of the Great God whoever, then you're going to have
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Speaker 3: this great sign of judgment and would they would, They
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Speaker 3: would use it forecast the future, and so all of
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Speaker 3: a sudden that sign would happen.
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Speaker 2: And this was.
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Speaker 3: Around the world, and the tribal religions around the world,
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Speaker 3: and the animistic religions around the world, in all the
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Speaker 3: great pagan religions. They would exploit the upper class religious people,
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Speaker 3: would exploit the rank and file. They would exploit them
20:47
Speaker 3: with eclipses. They would exploit them with comets whose pattern
20:50
Speaker 3: they knew. They would exploit them with blood moons and
20:53
Speaker 3: other related phenomena. Well, we don't to me, this is
20:59
Speaker 3: unconscious of These were never signs of judgment. And all
21:03
Speaker 3: they had to do was point out, see in this
21:06
Speaker 3: year and that year, in that year, bad things happen
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Speaker 3: when these comments happened. So you've got a bad thing
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Speaker 3: coming now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and here's the warning. And so again what the Bible,
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Speaker 2: this isn't us. What the Bible saying, what Jeremiah is
21:17
Speaker 2: saying here is do not be dismayed. So what it
21:21
Speaker 2: means is you had these pagan groups, right, these pagan
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Speaker 2: groups in the land of Israel, yep. They had bought
21:27
Speaker 2: into that false religion that were using signs into heavens
21:31
Speaker 2: as evidence of their of judgment, of fear. They were
21:37
Speaker 2: it was feared to say this is something negative, and
21:39
Speaker 2: in that false religious view, they were using those to
21:43
Speaker 2: try to trick and to deceive God's people. And God
21:48
Speaker 2: comes to Jeremiah says, do not learn those ways.
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Speaker 3: That's right.
21:52
Speaker 2: Anybody that tries to say that they're a sign of
21:55
Speaker 2: something negative is a pagan. Now, okay, think about what
21:59
Speaker 2: I'm saying here. Think about what God's saying here. Anybody
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Speaker 2: that tries to use normal natural periodic phenomenon like eclipses,
22:08
Speaker 2: whether it's lunar or solar or annul or you name it,
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Speaker 2: all these other things. Anybody that tries to use those
22:13
Speaker 2: to point to something negative of a judgment, that's the
22:16
Speaker 2: ways of the pagans.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly right, And that feels almost painful to express that,
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Speaker 3: even though that's what the Bible says. Because we see
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Speaker 3: people that are strong evangelicals who love Jesus.
22:30
Speaker 2: We're not yeah, we're not yeah, we're not implying we're
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Speaker 2: not the mission their motives.
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Speaker 3: Who have taken this into their Christianity and into their eschatology.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that really is what we see. I'll read
22:43
Speaker 2: let's make this distinction. Now that what about what Jesus
22:47
Speaker 2: said in Luke twenty one. There will be these signs
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Speaker 2: in the heavens. Now, this is the key. In Genesis one,
22:56
Speaker 2: it was good, it was very good.
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Speaker 3: Creation purpose.
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Speaker 2: The creation purpose was good and very good, and that
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Speaker 2: was a good thing. And so we're not meant to
23:04
Speaker 2: fear them. And God was sovereign over them by not
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Speaker 2: even using the names. However, there's coming a point in the.
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Speaker 3: Future where nature's broken.
23:13
Speaker 2: Nature is broken. So this is not normal. This is
23:18
Speaker 2: not normal periodic things that we could calculate. There's been
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Speaker 2: thousands of eclipses and everything else. And even in America,
23:25
Speaker 2: and again America is a big country. There's always wicked evil.
23:27
Speaker 2: If you look at that, you can make an association.
23:29
Speaker 2: You just go find something and it's like, well, okay,
23:31
Speaker 2: you can find something bad on every single day of
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Speaker 2: the year if you wanted to. But during the tribulation period, Okay,
23:38
Speaker 2: we read Luke twenty one, Well, I want to read
23:42
Speaker 2: Isaiah thirteen. Isaiah thirteen is clearly about the day of
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Speaker 2: the Lord. Verse nine. It says, behold the day of
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Speaker 2: the Lord comes cruel with wrath and first anger, to
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Speaker 2: make the land a desolation and to destroy sinners from it.
23:57
Speaker 2: For the stars of the heavens and they're constellations will
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Speaker 2: not give their light. The sun will be dark as
24:05
Speaker 2: it rises, and the moon will not shed its light.
24:08
Speaker 2: I will punish the world for its evil, and the
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Speaker 2: wicked for their iniquity. I will put an end to
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Speaker 2: the pomp of the arrogant, and lay down the pomp
24:14
Speaker 2: as pride of the ruthless. I will make people. I
24:18
Speaker 2: will make humanity more rare than fine gold, and mankind
24:23
Speaker 2: than the gold of Oh fear. Therefore, I will make
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Speaker 2: the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken out
24:28
Speaker 2: of its place at the wrath of the Lord of
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Speaker 2: Hosts and the day of his fierce anger. And he
24:33
Speaker 2: goes on and on about this judgment. And let me
24:37
Speaker 2: just if you don't mind, Lee, I'm gonna go to
24:39
Speaker 2: Isaiah twenty four, which again is talking about same day,
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Speaker 2: the same day, verse eighteen. He who flees at the
24:47
Speaker 2: sound of the tear shall fall into the pit, and
24:49
Speaker 2: he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught
24:50
Speaker 2: in the snare for the windows of Heaven are opened,
24:53
Speaker 2: and the foundations of the Earth tremble. The Earth is
24:57
Speaker 2: utterly broken, The Earth is split apart. The Earth is
24:59
Speaker 2: violently shaken. The Earth staggers like a drunken man. It
25:03
Speaker 2: sways like a hut. Its transgressions lie heavy upon it,
25:06
Speaker 2: and it falls and will not rise again. On that day,
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Speaker 2: the Lord will punish the Host of Heaven in Heaven,
25:12
Speaker 2: and the kings of the Earth on the earth. They
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Speaker 2: will be gathered together as prisoners in a pit. They
25:16
Speaker 2: will be shut up in a prison. And after many
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Speaker 2: days that we punished, then the Moon will be confounded
25:21
Speaker 2: and the Sun ashamed. For the Lord of Host reins
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Speaker 2: on Mountain Zion and Jerusalem, and his glory will be
25:27
Speaker 2: before his elders. Why do you think here the Lord
25:32
Speaker 2: of Host reigns. He's sovereign right after he mentions the
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Speaker 2: sun being ashamed and the moon confounded.
25:39
Speaker 3: Because he is the Lord of Hosts. He's not only
25:43
Speaker 3: the Lord of the heavenly army. He is the lord
25:47
Speaker 3: over all the hosts that we see in the star
25:50
Speaker 3: skies above.
25:51
Speaker 2: To me, like what you said that for the time
25:56
Speaker 2: of Genesis one one they were created to be good
26:00
Speaker 2: and to be signs for again. Up until the time
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Speaker 2: of the rapture, these are just normal things that there's
26:07
Speaker 2: periodic events calculated the month, the new moon, everything else.
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Speaker 2: But when we come to the tribulation period, it's broken chaos.
26:18
Speaker 2: Talk about that.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I love this point because if we don't comprehend
26:23
Speaker 3: this point, we're still going to struggle on this actual
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Speaker 3: point of eschatology. For the creation purpose that we read
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Speaker 3: in Genesis one fourteen, we will be an eternity for
26:33
Speaker 3: millions and billions and trillions of years watching eclipses and
26:39
Speaker 3: blood moons. And not only eclipses and blood moons down
26:44
Speaker 3: here on Earth with our sun and moon, but you'll
26:48
Speaker 3: be able to watch them on millions and billions of
26:50
Speaker 3: other planets in different stars, different suns, and different moons.
26:55
Speaker 3: Some of these planets might have a half a dozen moons.
26:57
Speaker 3: Can you imagine the cool eclipses you get to see?
27:00
Speaker 3: Then how about a double sun planet. So the scientific mind,
27:04
Speaker 3: the astra the astronomy loving mind, is going to have
27:06
Speaker 3: a heyday in eternity. But judgment is a very different pattern.
27:13
Speaker 3: This is a glorious pattern that goes on for eternity.
27:15
Speaker 3: We've got one short window of time at the end
27:17
Speaker 3: of age, when nature is run amok. We already have
27:22
Speaker 3: a few broken things right now from the curse in
27:25
Speaker 3: the Fall that are going to be healed. But when
27:27
Speaker 3: we come to the end of the age, the Bible
27:29
Speaker 3: is very specific what we see right now when we
27:33
Speaker 3: look at an eclipse, we see the Sun in the
27:35
Speaker 3: Moon together, either the moon's covering the Sun or the
27:38
Speaker 3: Sun is covering the Moon, or well, actually the Earth
27:42
Speaker 3: is casting the shadow on the Moon because the moon
27:45
Speaker 3: is on the opposite side of the Sun. But what
27:48
Speaker 3: we're doing with here is when we come to the
27:51
Speaker 3: end of the age, we are facing a situation where
27:54
Speaker 3: you're going to look up in the heavens. The sun
27:56
Speaker 3: has gone black, the moon is down, the stars are
28:01
Speaker 3: quit twinkling. This is almost like God took his little
28:04
Speaker 3: heaven pad and hit a few buttons and dialed the
28:07
Speaker 3: entire galaxy down. In fact, all the galaxies just dialed
28:11
Speaker 3: them down so you can't see them anymore. And we
28:15
Speaker 3: also are going to see the stars rolling across the heavens,
28:18
Speaker 3: and the moon is going to glow blood red. There's
28:21
Speaker 3: only a few things that can cause the moon to
28:24
Speaker 3: glow blood red, and not for a minute or two
28:28
Speaker 3: in eclipse, but for a long period of time and
28:33
Speaker 3: distinct from the Sun. So this is a fascinating time.
28:38
Speaker 3: The planets are going to be loosed from their orbits,
28:40
Speaker 3: the whole solar system is going to be loosed from
28:43
Speaker 3: its hinges, and everything is going to be pure chaos.
28:48
Speaker 3: This is why it says in Luke men's hearts shall
28:51
Speaker 3: fail them for fear for the things coming upon the
28:54
Speaker 3: earth from the heavens.
28:56
Speaker 2: And so I'll read Mark thirteen. But in those days
29:02
Speaker 2: after the tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the
29:05
Speaker 2: moon will not give us light, and the stars will
29:07
Speaker 2: be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens
29:09
Speaker 2: will be shaken, and then they will see the Southern
29:11
Speaker 2: Man coming in glory. So we see again that's at
29:13
Speaker 2: the end of the tribulation. We just read Isaiah thirteen.
29:17
Speaker 2: Revelation six talks about the same idea of the heavens
29:20
Speaker 2: being shaken at the beginning parts of the tribulation. Let
29:25
Speaker 2: me go back to something here, Lee, because again what
29:29
Speaker 2: we're saying is that anybody that is claiming that the
29:34
Speaker 2: natural order of eclipses, of whether it's solar or lunar.
29:41
Speaker 2: Anybody that's saying that those are promoting judgment or omens
29:48
Speaker 2: is following in the pattern of what Jeremiah says, the
29:52
Speaker 2: ways of the nations, the ways of the pagans, the
29:54
Speaker 2: ways of the gentiles.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
29:56
Speaker 2: I mean that again, I'm not trying to be mean
29:59
Speaker 2: that biblically speaking. Okay, so we're talking about the natural order, Well,
30:05
Speaker 2: let's talk about and here's why. Because God's when they
30:11
Speaker 2: use those natural order events for control or for judgment
30:16
Speaker 2: the today in our age, what we see, we see
30:20
Speaker 2: someone who is scientifically minded, and they can dismiss what
30:26
Speaker 2: God is saying is dismiss those people. Jeremiah tenh do
30:30
Speaker 2: not be do not don't even give him any consideration.
30:32
Speaker 2: Don't fear them, don't fear what they're saying. Dismiss that
30:35
Speaker 2: because that's not what he That's not what this those
30:37
Speaker 2: the things are for. Okay. And so however, during the tribulation,
30:45
Speaker 2: when you have the sun going dark not for four minutes,
30:50
Speaker 2: which I saw the max that you would have is
30:52
Speaker 2: seven minutes. Yeah, okay, that cannot be dismissed as natural. Right,
30:58
Speaker 2: And so He's saying, look, these are the natural events,
31:00
Speaker 2: you can dismiss that. But when it is not natural,
31:03
Speaker 2: it's not periodic, there's going to be no way for
31:06
Speaker 2: the average person to dismiss that as periodic. Now, let's
31:10
Speaker 2: give an example. In Matthew twenty six, at Jesus' crucifixion,
31:15
Speaker 2: the sun went dark. Now we know it cannot be
31:18
Speaker 2: a solar eclipse because it was passover, and that passover
31:21
Speaker 2: it's the fourteenth day of the month. That means the
31:24
Speaker 2: moon is at opposition on the opposite side of the sun.
31:28
Speaker 2: It's going to be a full moon. It's impossible, based
31:31
Speaker 2: on natural periodic phenomenon that God great in Genesis one,
31:34
Speaker 2: to have the sun going dark naturally, that's right. And
31:38
Speaker 2: not only that, but and a natural one you could
31:41
Speaker 2: have as most seven minutes. This one was for.
31:44
Speaker 3: Three hours, that's right.
31:46
Speaker 2: So this was a supernatural, non normal, non periodic event
31:51
Speaker 2: which the astronomers of Rome or even of the Jews
31:54
Speaker 2: could not dismiss as being a normal phenomenon, a natural phenomenon.
32:01
Speaker 2: And that was a sign of God speaking, wasn't it not?
32:04
Speaker 3: Absolutely? And that's what the signs of judgment at the
32:08
Speaker 3: end of the age are. The signs in the heavens.
32:11
Speaker 3: It's not going to be the normal periodic course of nature.
32:15
Speaker 3: It's going to be nature broken, nature run amok, nature
32:19
Speaker 3: in chaos, and that is the signs of the end
32:22
Speaker 3: of the age.
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Speaker 2: Now and again, So how do we know that, Well,
32:26
Speaker 2: we have precedent. We have precedent in the Crucifixion. Yes,
32:30
Speaker 2: this wasn't normal, and this was supernatural God speaking in
32:34
Speaker 2: a supernatural, non normal way in that way when you
32:38
Speaker 2: looked up, something was broken. Yes, this was a sign
32:42
Speaker 2: of God's judgment at least supernaturally on his son during
32:47
Speaker 2: the y he's on the cross yep. And of course
32:50
Speaker 2: everybody watching they saw it. And then it dissipated. But
32:54
Speaker 2: when we come to that tribulation period, these things that
32:58
Speaker 2: stars fallen from heaven, asteroids coming down, wormwood, we see
33:02
Speaker 2: the sun affected with one third, one third and one third.
33:06
Speaker 2: Then we see it going absolutely dark. As an astronomer,
33:09
Speaker 2: you'd go, I have no answer for this. This is unprecedented.
33:13
Speaker 2: You take a PhD astronomer who's familiar with all the
33:15
Speaker 2: things that you have in natural phenomenon, they'd be like,
33:19
Speaker 2: I have no answer. They astronomers, what's going on here? Unprecedented?
33:24
Speaker 2: This is not normal. This is not natural. There's no
33:26
Speaker 2: way to explain how the sun would go dark during
33:29
Speaker 2: at its rising, especially again like the Crucifixion. So I
33:34
Speaker 2: think that's the key here is that people need to
33:39
Speaker 2: not hijack. I don't mean this meanway Genesis one fourteen
33:46
Speaker 2: and it's normal periodic things. Because we have another eclipse
33:49
Speaker 2: coming up in twenty forty four, anybody, and so okay,
33:55
Speaker 2: I think hopefully we've established this enough. But what happens
33:59
Speaker 2: now is people have taken us as an omen which
34:02
Speaker 2: is built on a false premise. They see the nations
34:07
Speaker 2: or the cities and different things, and we've talked about that.
34:09
Speaker 2: How many people are saying this many cities and nineve
34:11
Speaker 2: and Jonah and Salem. But in reality, what I've seen, unfortunately,
34:16
Speaker 2: is people going, well, okay, you know here we are.
34:19
Speaker 2: The rapture didn't take place. Some people posting interface of like,
34:21
Speaker 2: oh man, I was really hoping for the rapture because
34:23
Speaker 2: some people were predicting that. But others are going, no, no, no,
34:26
Speaker 2: it's forty days. We have forty days to wait.
34:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so.
34:29
Speaker 2: Now they're waiting for Pentecost, which is forty days and
34:32
Speaker 2: then the day after would actually be the fortieth day.
34:36
Speaker 2: What do we say to that if we recognize that
34:41
Speaker 2: the whole premise that it's built on as being an
34:43
Speaker 2: omen and a sign of judgment is baseless.
34:46
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, I keep hoping that we'll see a
34:50
Speaker 3: higher percentage of the teachers that are teaching this stuff
34:55
Speaker 3: learn their lessons. I mean, if we go back in time,
34:59
Speaker 3: back in the seven and eighties, there were some fairly
35:01
Speaker 3: high profile teachers that got caught up in some of
35:05
Speaker 3: the rapture dating theories in the seventies and the eighties.
35:08
Speaker 3: They learned their lessons, They got burned, and their motto
35:13
Speaker 3: from then on going forwards was never again. And you
35:17
Speaker 3: would hope that some people would learn from the lessons
35:21
Speaker 3: of history. And by the way, an ounce of history
35:24
Speaker 3: is worth a pound of theory. And if you learn
35:27
Speaker 3: our lessons from history, we learned that every time people
35:30
Speaker 3: come up with a cool date setting theory, or they
35:33
Speaker 3: try and associate the rapture with some signs in the
35:37
Speaker 3: heavens or with the cool date setting theory, they're batting
35:40
Speaker 3: zero percent, not just for decades, but for centuries. It
35:46
Speaker 3: comes back to the point that you've been making over
35:48
Speaker 3: and over again the last year. You can't know the
35:52
Speaker 3: dan or the hour.
35:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. We were kind of having a little
35:56
Speaker 2: joke about it in that I really wish Jesus would
36:00
Speaker 2: have been more clear at telling us that we couldn't know.
36:04
Speaker 2: I mean, if you know, if he would have just
36:05
Speaker 2: said very clearly that no one knows the day or
36:07
Speaker 2: the hour can find out, that would just solve it.
36:09
Speaker 2: We're like, but you know, we were kind of joking,
36:11
Speaker 2: but in the sense that he did say that. And
36:13
Speaker 2: let me ask you this because one of the things
36:15
Speaker 2: that that again, the goal is to understand scripture correctly.
36:21
Speaker 2: Even again, people are quoting Genesis one fourteen through sixteen,
36:24
Speaker 2: and I think you know, in context we've discussed it.
36:29
Speaker 2: But here here's I want to come back to. How
36:32
Speaker 2: then do we watch? Because in Luke twelve, Jesus say,
36:37
Speaker 2: is it stay dressed for action, and keep your lamps burning,
36:41
Speaker 2: and be like men who are waiting for their master
36:43
Speaker 2: to come home from the wedding feast, so that they
36:45
Speaker 2: may open the door to him at once when he
36:47
Speaker 2: comes and knocks. Blessed are those servants whom the Master
36:50
Speaker 2: finds awake when he comes. This is Luke twelve thirty five.
36:53
Speaker 2: And on truly, I say to you, he will dress
36:55
Speaker 2: himself for service, and have them recline at a table,
36:58
Speaker 2: and he will come and serve them. If he comes
37:00
Speaker 2: in the second watch or in the third, and he
37:02
Speaker 2: finds them awake, blessed are those servants. But know this
37:08
Speaker 2: that if the master of the house had known at
37:10
Speaker 2: what hour the thief was coming, he would not have
37:14
Speaker 2: left his house to be broken into. So he changes,
37:16
Speaker 2: he changes the imagery of the analogy here talking about
37:21
Speaker 2: the thief. You also must be ready for the son
37:24
Speaker 2: of man is coming at an hour that you do
37:27
Speaker 2: not expect. So Lee, over the past six months, I mean,
37:31
Speaker 2: I've been a prophecy watchers for almost three years now,
37:33
Speaker 2: and I can't tell you how many times people have
37:36
Speaker 2: sent in their calculations. Yes, and I saw calculations again
37:41
Speaker 2: in my even before. This is a pastor for years
37:44
Speaker 2: and years years, and I mean, and I read these.
37:46
Speaker 2: I used to read them and like, oh, this is amazing.
37:49
Speaker 2: Look at this and this and this, and in my
37:52
Speaker 2: mind there's no coincidences with God, Oh my heavens, look
37:56
Speaker 2: at this. And then of course none of those came
37:59
Speaker 2: to be. Yeah, But here now when somebody sends me
38:04
Speaker 2: somebody had sent me something just in the past couple days,
38:06
Speaker 2: and I said, hey, look, all I can tell you
38:10
Speaker 2: is that if you think that you've calculated it and
38:13
Speaker 2: you've figured it out, you're automatically wrong because Jesus, So
38:16
Speaker 2: now you're expecting Jesus to come at this time. Well,
38:19
Speaker 2: Jesus says I'm coming at an hour you do not expect.
38:23
Speaker 2: It appears in Matthew twenty four as well, I'm coming
38:25
Speaker 2: at an hour that you do not expect. So based
38:28
Speaker 2: on your calculation's need lee mind anybody else's, if they've
38:32
Speaker 2: come to calculate it and expect him at this time,
38:35
Speaker 2: automatically they're wrong.
38:38
Speaker 3: Yeah. To me, that's an amazing thought. And I've been
38:40
Speaker 3: down very similar paths myself. If it's the kind of
38:46
Speaker 3: cool date like the Hebrew dates for the feast dates,
38:51
Speaker 3: or some other cool phenomena that you're lining up with
38:54
Speaker 3: the blood moons or whether eclipses or anything of this nature,
38:59
Speaker 3: if you can lie, I ended up put a data
39:01
Speaker 3: in the calendar based on the passage you just read
39:04
Speaker 3: in a handful of other ones that say the same thing,
39:07
Speaker 3: we can guarantee the rapture's not going to happen on
39:10
Speaker 3: those days.
39:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I find that. I find that what I wrote
39:15
Speaker 2: to this person, I said, hey, man, I know this
39:17
Speaker 2: is tough to hear because he was super excited again.
39:20
Speaker 2: And we are called to watch, right, Yeah, we're called
39:22
Speaker 2: to watch and be ready at all times. And we're
39:24
Speaker 2: called to watch for Israel, Israel becomination and we see,
39:27
Speaker 2: you know, Jerusalem becoming in nineteen sixty seven, and we're
39:31
Speaker 2: seeing the new world, or we're seeing the global elites.
39:33
Speaker 2: We're seeing all these these events, and the digital system
39:36
Speaker 2: and the digital currency. We're seeing all these things, and
39:38
Speaker 2: we are to watch those. But as I'm watching those,
39:42
Speaker 2: I have no bent to create a date.
39:44
Speaker 3: That's right, Yep. We see the day approaching, but we
39:48
Speaker 3: cannot know the date or the hour. And I like
39:50
Speaker 3: to tell people, if you want my paraphrase, edition, we
39:53
Speaker 3: can't even know the year.
39:55
Speaker 2: Well that's the other thing too, is is you think, okay,
39:59
Speaker 2: what Jesus, So let's say, let's go with that for
40:01
Speaker 2: a moment. Yeap. But Jesus didn't say he said day
40:04
Speaker 2: an hour, But he didn't say we couldn't know the month. Yeah,
40:06
Speaker 2: he didn't say we couldn't know the year. So here's
40:07
Speaker 2: my here's my Again, this isn't mono speaking, Okay, Jesus said, oh,
40:12
Speaker 2: if you do you expect me in twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 2: Well you're wrong.
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Speaker 3: I've come to here's my theory on the date setting
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Speaker 3: of the rapture. I think this is pretty cool. I
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Speaker 3: think the rapture is going to happen when every date setting,
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Speaker 3: even window setting theory, and I have my own window
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Speaker 3: setting theory. But when they're all broken and we all
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Speaker 3: start to wonder what went wrong, then the raptors.
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Speaker 2: Go and he arrives. Yep, coming at a time you
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Speaker 2: do not expect. And again, so if we if we
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Speaker 2: expected in this year, uh be it based on our calculations.
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Speaker 2: I'm hoping. I'm hoping for this year. I'm hoping for
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Speaker 2: this month. I'm hoping for today. Right, and we are.
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Speaker 2: And so what we want to do is we we
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Speaker 2: we don't want to condemn you. Listen, I'm not here
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Speaker 2: and I know you aren't. We're not here to condemn
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Speaker 2: anybody for having this heart and this love. Second Tivity
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Speaker 2: four eight. Those who love his appearing receive the crown
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Speaker 2: of righteousness. I mean, we have that, and we encourage
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Speaker 2: people absolutely to have their hearts looking and longing for
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Speaker 2: the blessed hope and to be watching. Just resist the
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Speaker 2: temptation to date set or even to date seek.
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Speaker 3: That's right, yeah, And that when you bring that up,
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Speaker 3: it's really important too to point out there's a lot
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Speaker 3: of people they're not technically setting a date, but they
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Speaker 3: do the high watching and they get people excited about
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Speaker 3: potential rapture dates. Well, people set their hearts on those
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Speaker 3: dates just as well as if you had given them
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Speaker 3: a definitive date. And we should bear in mind that
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Speaker 3: they make definite article arguments for a definite date, and
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Speaker 3: they get definite people excited about that definite date, even
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Speaker 3: though they say, well, we're not saying one hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think what what Jesus is saying there is
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Speaker 2: that there is no way to make a correlation or
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Speaker 2: a connection, whether it's a moodeeme, pentecost, feast of trumpets,
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Speaker 2: there's no way to have a definitive, correct answer of
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Speaker 2: association between a feast and the rapture. The rapture is
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Speaker 2: this event that is based solely in the mind of
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Speaker 2: the Father at his prerogative, and again let's go back
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Speaker 2: to X one. It's not for you to know the
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Speaker 2: times in the seasons. Now, Paul says again in for
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Speaker 2: Thessalians five, so we have these potential maybe you could
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Speaker 2: rectify this. Okay, Jesus, are you the disciples asked him,
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Speaker 2: are you gonna announce, you know, restore the kingdom is
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Speaker 2: or acts? Chapter one? It's not for you to know
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Speaker 2: the times and seasons, gentlemen. But then twenty years later
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Speaker 2: Paul is writing and says, hey, Thessalonians chapter five, I
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Speaker 2: have no need to write to you about the signs
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Speaker 2: and the seasons. You well know you're not children of darkness?
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Speaker 2: How do you reconcile those they're not contradictions because the
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Speaker 2: Bible isn't contradict. How do you reconcile those two things?
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Speaker 2: Not to know but you already know?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think we know in a general sense. We
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Speaker 3: have a general sense that we're going to see certain
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Speaker 3: things before our eyes in the world with the stage
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Speaker 3: setting for the tribulation that tells us the time is coming.
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Speaker 3: We know in a general sense that it says that,
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Speaker 3: for instance, in second Disonians chapter two, that you're going
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Speaker 3: to know that you're in the day of the Lord
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Speaker 3: when you see the apostasy associated with the Antichrist. So
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Speaker 3: we have these definite things, and we look in the
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Speaker 3: world around and we see the building up of the
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Speaker 3: mystery of iniquity, we see the building up of the
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Speaker 3: Big Brother government, we see the building up of the technology.
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Speaker 3: So we know the stuff's out there looming in the future.
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Speaker 3: We you know, maybe the breaks will come on, maybe
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Speaker 3: it'll slow down, maybe it's going to speed up. That
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Speaker 3: we do not know and we can't know. And so
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Speaker 3: we have the idea that it's not for you to
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Speaker 3: know the times of the seasons if you're trying to
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Speaker 3: be technical and actually pinpoint the date, but you can
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Speaker 3: know the times in the seasons in a generic sense
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Speaker 3: that you can see that time approaching, yep.
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Speaker 2: And that that's really the key here, I think in
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Speaker 2: all this we as we ponder kind of the uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, the post eclipse blues so speak, because look,
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Speaker 2: I mean, hey, I'm I'm enjoying the clips. One of
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Speaker 2: the most amazing things that I've ever seen, uh in
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Speaker 2: my adult life. For sure. It was just surreal and
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Speaker 2: and uh, you know, you always hope that you know,
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Speaker 2: the rapture would happen. I hope the rapture. I was
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Speaker 2: hoping the raptu will happen on Sunday, Okay, not just
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Speaker 2: the eclipse day, yep. But here we are, and there's
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Speaker 2: going to be a lot of conversation about the eclipse.
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Speaker 2: I know some people are just changing the date to
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Speaker 2: Pentecost and other things, and uh, some people are just
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Speaker 2: determined to be date setters. And again, out of there,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to the best motive in their mind, and
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Speaker 2: that they're excited, and so you know what, but it's
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Speaker 2: just that excitement is great, but it's it's the it's
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Speaker 2: zeal without knowledge, it's zeal without wisdom. Because I think
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Speaker 2: there's a lot more harm that's happening now. And so
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Speaker 2: we're already seeing the mocking of the Christian hysteria by
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Speaker 2: the world that all you know, those that caught on
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Speaker 2: and were read how Christians were predicting the date of
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Speaker 2: the rapture. And here we are, and the mocking has begun.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and it's gonna get worse because every time that
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Speaker 3: we make a rapture theory and we set a tentative
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Speaker 3: date for the rapture, not only does the world find
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Speaker 3: fault with it. But believers that set their hopes on
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Speaker 3: that date, even though you tell them, don't set your
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Speaker 3: hopes on this date, they do set their hopes in
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Speaker 3: this date, and they get burned, and they get burned
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Speaker 3: two three times, and they're not going to listen to
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Speaker 3: you anymore. And so now you've just lost your ministry
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Speaker 3: to that person.
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Speaker 2: Credibility.
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Speaker 3: But the same with the world. They see us give
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Speaker 3: two three bogus rapture dates, and then why in the
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Speaker 3: world should we ever listen to those folks again?
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Speaker 2: Yep, and we're not. We know, look, no one's here
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Speaker 2: trying to get the approval of the world. We don't
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Speaker 2: care about that. But it's more the credibility that you know,
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Speaker 2: if we're persecuted for righteousness, that's one thing. But if
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Speaker 2: we're persecuted for date setting and mocked, well, that's not
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Speaker 2: that's first Peter, that's our fault. That's not that we
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Speaker 2: can't play victim on that. And so you know, anyways,
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Speaker 2: that this was our submary for today. I appreciate you
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Speaker 2: guys listening. Lee. This has been a great time. And again,
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Speaker 2: as we as we move forward down this road, we
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Speaker 2: pray for discernment. We pray for wisdom, We pray for humility.
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Speaker 2: We're not here again bringing a judgment anybody's motives, our hearts.
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Speaker 2: We just simply want to remain wise and circumsict circumspect
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Speaker 2: as if he's in five sixteen, tells us redeemed a
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Speaker 2: time because the days are evil and walk circumstanct circumspectfully
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Speaker 2: tough word. Anyways, thanks for listening today again. Hopefully we
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Speaker 3: That Lee Mondo. It's been a great visit and may
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Speaker 3: the Lord continue to bless Prophecy.
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