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#1712 Our New TYP Regular - Dr. Jeffrey Gross · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I get a team. Welcome to another installment, the Bloody
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Speaker 1: You Project with Tiffany and Kulkin, Jeffrey Marcus, Robert Gross.
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Speaker 1: That's not really I just made it up, as I
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Speaker 1: do with everyone. Before we go to the doc, who's
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Speaker 1: the clearly the brainiac of the group, we'll go to
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Speaker 1: tiff who's the creative of the group. Do you like that?
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Speaker 2: It was you thinking quick on your feet there.
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Speaker 1: I was thinking quick. I was going to call you
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Speaker 1: the new spiritually enlightened since you've come back from Nepal
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Speaker 1: or India, India, India, and she's been carrying a she
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Speaker 1: got a rock in India dock and everyone else she
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Speaker 1: got a rock that is has connected her to I
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Speaker 1: don't know. Are you still carrying your rock around that
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Speaker 1: you By the way, you're not allowed to bring back
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Speaker 1: organic matter from other countries, but I won't tell the government.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've plasted it everywhere so everyone knows that I have. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's not in this room at the moment though normally
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Speaker 2: I've got it, you know, tucked in my top. I've
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Speaker 2: left it in my bedroom.
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Speaker 1: You could lose your shit at every moment, at any moment,
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Speaker 1: and your spiritual security blanket, the doc and I might
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Speaker 1: have to treat you in real time.
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Speaker 2: Well at least I'm in good hands.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor Jeff or Jeffrey, Do I call you, Jeff
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Speaker 1: Or Jeffrey dock Jeff will do? Just phone doctor Jeff Gross.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the You project. This could be an experience
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Speaker 1: for you. Thanks for stupidly agreeing to do it.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. This is awesome. Is there?
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Speaker 1: Do you reckon? There's a a we'll go wherever we go.
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Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting is since Tiff came back
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Speaker 1: from India, if you how many weeks ago was it, Tiff?
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Speaker 2: Well, I came back on the fourth of October.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so a month and a bit and you had
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Speaker 1: like in your I don't know, just a bit of
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Speaker 1: a spiritual awakening or something. There was like an energetic
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Speaker 1: shift in you, wasn't there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, something happened. Don't know what to even call it,
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Speaker 2: but something happened.
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Speaker 1: Do you have you ever opened the door dock on?
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Speaker 1: You know, like the not I guess almost like the placebo,
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Speaker 1: but what we think and like I feel like with
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Speaker 1: her when she carries this rock around, she's in a
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Speaker 1: bit of place. I'm pretty short ain't about the rock,
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Speaker 1: but but how she relates to the rock and the
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Speaker 1: symbolism of the rock. Does the role of the mind
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Speaker 1: play a big impact impact on our or have a
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Speaker 1: big role in our physical health and our our ability
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Speaker 1: that sty calm and heal and all that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Although you just ruined it for for your colleague,
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Speaker 3: I think that the rock is part of it. You
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Speaker 3: attached to it. You you you open up the pathways
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Speaker 3: in the mind that connect with the brain, that deal
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Speaker 3: with so much in the body and for health. And
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Speaker 3: we we call this psychosomatic medicine, not to mean that
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Speaker 3: someone is you know, you know, conjuring up disease in
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Speaker 3: their in their thoughts. But it's the mind. It's the
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Speaker 3: mind body relationship. They are directly related by you know,
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Speaker 3: nerve fibers and neurochemicals and neurotransmitters and small peptides. And
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Speaker 3: we take that for granted. And you think about people
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Speaker 3: that might have a sixth sense about something, or feel
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Speaker 3: a change or a shift like you were talking about
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Speaker 3: our closeness or a positive energy is healing. All these
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Speaker 3: things are real. They're difficult to measure, and the longer
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Speaker 3: I practice, the more examples of that a see around me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've had a guy on a couple of times
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Speaker 1: who's a genius. His name is doctor Jeffrey Redicker from
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Speaker 1: Harvard Medical School, and his apart from being a psychiatrist
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Speaker 1: and a medical doctor and a research his thing is
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Speaker 1: place ebos and spontaneous healing and all this and talking
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Speaker 1: to him about people who have recovered from and I
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Speaker 1: know it's more than just plas ebo mind body, you know,
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Speaker 1: but people who have recovered from things fully that they
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Speaker 1: should never have recovered from, and like hundreds of cases.
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Speaker 1: And he's he's obviously he's a skeptic. Like he was,
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Speaker 1: he did not want to get involved in this, and
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Speaker 1: it just he kept coming across these different cases where
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Speaker 1: he went, all right, I'll look into it because it
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Speaker 1: makes no medical sense, it makes no logical sense. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: just I still think that there's so much that we
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Speaker 1: don't understand about. There's a lot we do understand, but
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Speaker 1: there's still a lot that we don't understand about the
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Speaker 1: way that the body can heal itself and the way
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Speaker 1: that body, you know, using different modalities and methods, which
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about today. And yeah, it's it's still there's
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Speaker 1: probably still as much that we don't know as we do, maybe.
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Speaker 3: A complete agreement on my end. And that's one of
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Speaker 3: the reasons that I originally went into neuroscience and neurosurgery,
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Speaker 3: and because there was so much to learn that we
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Speaker 3: didn't know, and I wanted to be part of that.
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Speaker 3: I want to be at the tip of the spirit.
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Speaker 1: What did you think you were going to be growing up?
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Speaker 1: What did you when you were ten, twelve, fourteen years old?
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Speaker 1: Running around? What did you want to be?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was always going to be a physician, you know,
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Speaker 3: a highly trained, specialized surgeon of some kind. And the
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Speaker 3: neuroscience part was there and it was solid. By the
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Speaker 3: time I got to medical school, I already knew it.
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Speaker 3: That was just a stepping stone to where I am now.
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Speaker 3: I already knew what I wanted to do.
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Speaker 1: That's amazing to have such clarity uncertainty at what did
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Speaker 1: you have? Anything like that? Tiff at ten twelve?
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Speaker 2: Still looking for it? Mate?
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Speaker 1: I think, are you're still trying to find you thing?
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Speaker 1: You're still trying to find your purpose?
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Speaker 3: I keep asking the rock.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you need to look under a bigger rock or
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Speaker 1: a different rock. At my when I was ten, twelve, fourteen,
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Speaker 1: or when I was fourteen. All I hoped when I
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Speaker 1: was grown up was that I wouldn't be a virgin
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Speaker 1: until I was forty. That was like my main ambition,
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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, sure, I could have had a
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Speaker 1: more lofty goal.
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Speaker 3: What's that going for you?
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Speaker 1: And it didn't work. I was forty two, But anyway,
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Speaker 1: I may not close close. I was close, all right?
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Speaker 1: So so you founded an organization called re Celebrate? Did
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Speaker 1: I get that right?
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Speaker 3: You did tell us.
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Speaker 1: About that, like, what do you do? What's the what's
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Speaker 1: behind it?
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Speaker 3: Well, Craig, I was practicing traditional neurosurgery. I'm a Spine
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Speaker 3: Fellowship trained doctor. I was dealing with a lot of
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Speaker 3: neck and back injuries and disc problems and and you know,
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Speaker 3: pinch nerves and that kind of thing. And my patients,
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Speaker 3: you know, continue to influence me and said, you know, Doc,
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Speaker 3: we don't we don't want surgery yet. But all the
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Speaker 3: other things we tried weren't enough. We still have issues,
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Speaker 3: but we're not ready for surgery. And I said, great,
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Speaker 3: because surgery should be the absolute last thing we consider.
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Speaker 3: And enough of them said how about this this stem
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Speaker 3: cell business? And we keep hearing about this sexy phrase
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Speaker 3: stem cells. What's that all? And instead of going to
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Speaker 3: the annual, you know, bow tie wearing neurosurgery conferences where
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Speaker 3: they drink the same kool aid year after year and
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Speaker 3: say the same things and pat themselves on the back again,
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Speaker 3: I said, you know what I'm I'm going to open
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Speaker 3: my mind and get into some of these stem cell meetings.
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Speaker 3: So I started retraining and re educating about six seven
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Speaker 3: years ago, and I did it to help my spine patients.
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Speaker 3: But it's blossomed into so much more that I have
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Speaker 3: sort of a renewed energy, renewed purpose in my version
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Speaker 3: two point zero of my practice, and we renamed it
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Speaker 3: re Celebrate because we are celebrating the renewal of your cells.
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Speaker 1: Amazing, is it? It is interesting the way that when
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Speaker 1: you know I speak, I speak a bit about cults
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Speaker 1: of thought, which is any group where to be in
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Speaker 1: our group, you've got to think, you've got a line,
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Speaker 1: You've got to conform, don't ask questions, definitely, don't agree
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Speaker 1: with the protocol or the ideology or the philosophy. And
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Speaker 1: if you don't agree with everything, you can't be in
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Speaker 1: our group. So essentially it's a cult of thought, right,
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Speaker 1: that's how you belong. And it seems like me and
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Speaker 1: not just with surgeons or neurosurgeons, but you know, in nutrition,
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Speaker 1: in exercise, in religion, in you know, a million different things.
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Speaker 1: It's like you need to part of the terms of
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Speaker 1: agreement in some groups. Don't think, don't question, don't invent
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Speaker 1: the wheel. We've already invented it. We know how this works.
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Speaker 1: There is no new information, there is no new truth.
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Speaker 1: We are the truth, right. That must have taken some
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Speaker 1: courage for you to go listen, dudes, I'm just going
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Speaker 1: to go over here and check this out. I look,
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Speaker 1: I know I'm not you know, but that must have
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Speaker 1: been hard for you.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think I was always wanting to push the
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Speaker 3: envelope on things, so it wasn't difficult for me personally.
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Speaker 3: But I still see how difficult it is when I
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Speaker 3: talk to colleagues from the old cult.
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Speaker 1: The echoed chimber of the echoed chimber of neurosurgery.
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Speaker 3: All right, and and and how they get all scared
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Speaker 3: and like you did something different, you know, I get it.
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Speaker 3: There There is the the self perpetuation of the consumption
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Speaker 3: of the kool aid, and it is very strong and
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Speaker 3: very thick.
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Speaker 1: This is a very unrelated question, not directly related anyway.
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Speaker 1: I hyperbaric chimber too therapy. Do you have you? Do you?
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Speaker 1: What do you think of that?
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Speaker 3: It's fantastic for for some very specific things, such as
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Speaker 3: UH accelerating the healing process in someone who is maybe
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Speaker 3: not able to heal as rapidly due to age or
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Speaker 3: some condition. It is of course essential for someone with
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Speaker 3: a decompression sickness like a scuba diving accident something like that,
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Speaker 3: and then healing from wounds, healing from some kind of
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Speaker 3: injury like a heart attack or a stroke. It's wonderful.
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Speaker 3: It's also, interestingly help suppress cancer cell growth. Cancer cells
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Speaker 3: do not like that amount of oxygen. Some people will
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Speaker 3: tell you it's a great maintenance thing to do. I'm
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Speaker 3: not a big believer in that, because the very reason
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Speaker 3: that the Canyon Marathon runners come to our Colorado at
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Speaker 3: the mile High to train is because they want to
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Speaker 3: experience hormesis and meaning they want to experience a little
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Speaker 3: stress in their cells to build resilience, and in the
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Speaker 3: physical sense that can be done through hot sauna, cold plunge,
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Speaker 3: high intensity interval exercise, fast all those things are healthy biohacks. Well,
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Speaker 3: it turns out low oxygen, the opposite of hyperbaric oxygen,
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Speaker 3: does the same thing. So I don't want my cells
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Speaker 3: getting lazy. So I wouldn't go in it as a
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Speaker 3: matter of routine, but I would use it strategically.
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Speaker 1: I went to Speaking of Colorado, I went to Colorado
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Speaker 1: a few years ago to do a gig at a
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Speaker 1: place called Breckenridge.
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Speaker 3: Is that right? Did I get that right? It's a
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Speaker 3: wonderful mountain resort.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a resort, and I can't remember exactly, but I
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Speaker 1: feel like it's ten or twelve thousand feet above sea level.
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Speaker 1: And this is what I did tiff because I'm a genius.
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Speaker 1: First day there, so I got in first day when
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go for a run, Well, I went,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to run a quick five case. I ran
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Speaker 1: about five hundred meters. My heart nearly came out of
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Speaker 1: my mouth. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right, there's not
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Speaker 1: so much oxygen up here. It was just like, I
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Speaker 1: literally couldn't run one kilometer that's zero point six of
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Speaker 1: a mile. Doc, I couldn't run. I'm like, what is
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Speaker 1: wrong with me? I'm one hundred years old. All of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, it is it isn't. I mean, I know
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Speaker 1: this is an obvious thing to say, but when you
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Speaker 1: actually experience it, rather than just the theory of it,
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Speaker 1: you go, well, I've gone from sea level to twelve
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Speaker 1: thousand feet. I don't know how much oxygen. I think
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Speaker 1: there's like twenty point nine three percent or something at
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Speaker 1: sea level. I don't know what there is at twelve thousand,
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Speaker 1: but not that much. I can assure you. That was
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Speaker 1: so different and so difficult. Yeah, I don't know how
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Speaker 1: long it takes to adapt and adjust, all right. So
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Speaker 1: when you walked through the stem the stem celled door
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Speaker 1: for the first time, what did you like? What surprised you?
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Speaker 1: What did you learn? What did you come to understand?
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Speaker 3: Well, a lot has happened in the time I jumped
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Speaker 3: back into this, from the time I had my undergraduate years,
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Speaker 3: because I did have education in that field, but I
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Speaker 3: had disregarded it for so long because I was busy
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Speaker 3: being a spine surgeon neurosurgeon. So coming back I noticed
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Speaker 3: a lot of great work had been done. Most of
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Speaker 3: that work is done in Asia and in Europe and
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Speaker 3: in North America. We are behind the game we're just
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Speaker 3: playing catch up. But a lot of the protocols I
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Speaker 3: follow are based on fifteen and twenty year follow up
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Speaker 3: studies in Europe, for example, But China, South Korea are
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Speaker 3: really their labs are really pushing the envelope. So I
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Speaker 3: noticed there are a lot of applicable biotechnologies in the
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Speaker 3: stem cell realm that had amazing benefits that I wish
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Speaker 3: I had employed years earlier.
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Speaker 1: Could you try to so for my largely non scientific audio,
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Speaker 1: could you try to explain in simple terms. You know
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Speaker 1: how it works, and I know it works in a
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Speaker 1: multitude of ways, and there's a multitude of applications, but
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Speaker 1: could you kind of craygify it for us?
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Speaker 3: All right? Of course? So, so you know, stem cells
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Speaker 3: are the cells from which all of our bodies cells stem.
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Speaker 3: So you when you're formed, you're you're a single cell.
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Speaker 3: You're you're you're an embryo, and you're a fetus inside
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Speaker 3: your mother's womb. All those cells are stem cells, and
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Speaker 3: they're powerful. They can divide and create organs and tissues
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Speaker 3: and bones and limbs and brains and everything. When you're born,
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Speaker 3: you still have stem cells. They're not quite as powerful
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Speaker 3: as those that can create a limb, although I hope
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Speaker 3: we figured that out some days so we could regrow
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Speaker 3: a limb. But those cells are still useful in growing
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Speaker 3: and developing a baby into an adult and even as
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Speaker 3: an adult. We harbor stem cells within us, mostly in
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Speaker 3: our bone marrow and some fat in other areas, and
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Speaker 3: that those stem cells are used when called upon upon repair.
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Speaker 3: For example, you hurt yourself and you need to know
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Speaker 3: heal a bone or heal a cut or something, or
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Speaker 3: you know liver damage and you need to replace those
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Speaker 3: liver cells. Those cells come in and help stimulate the
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Speaker 3: area for healing and repair. They also have maintenance functions,
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Speaker 3: but as we age, those functions aren't as good. We
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Speaker 3: get exposed to the world. There's all kinds of inflammation
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Speaker 3: in the world. There's questionable things in our water and
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Speaker 3: our food, especially here in America. There's that, you know,
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Speaker 3: electromagnetic fields, all kinds of things, maybe even negative thoughts, neurostress.
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Speaker 3: You have a relation here. So our stem cells get
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Speaker 3: exhausted and then we develop diseases and we age rapidly,
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Speaker 3: and then the end is near. So the entire field
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Speaker 3: of stem cell medacine is to take advantage of what
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Speaker 3: we've learned about what these cells can do for us,
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Speaker 3: and employ them earlier upon need generally speaking, and.
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Speaker 1: When you employ them, what does that mean? What is
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Speaker 1: does this get injected into my body? Do you like? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: what does that mean? Practically? If I have stem cell therapy,
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Speaker 1: what might the experience be?
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Speaker 3: Well, short of stem cells, there are many things you
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Speaker 3: can do in your life, in your lifestyle that can
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Speaker 3: improve your stem cells. So you can eat properly and
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Speaker 3: get your fruits and vegetables and sleep, have great sleep hygiene,
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Speaker 3: and learn how to meditate and have mindfulness and yoga
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Speaker 3: and all kinds of things that are so good for
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Speaker 3: your own stem cell population. But when that's not enough,
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Speaker 3: you can actually tap into whether it's your own stem
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Speaker 3: cells or donated stem cells, and have them reemployed. For example,
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Speaker 3: I do a lot of spine and joint work, So
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Speaker 3: one comes to me with a degenerated knee. For example,
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Speaker 3: they have osteoarthritis of the knee. They have a bone
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Speaker 3: on bone, and the orthopedic surgeon is telling them, well,
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Speaker 3: the next thing on my menu would be a joint replacement.
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Speaker 3: But I like to catch that patient and then we
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Speaker 3: can inject under a protocol we learn from Europe stem
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Speaker 3: cells or stem cell like biologics into the area surrounding
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Speaker 3: the joint to help that joint repair and regenerate and
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Speaker 3: heal like a younger person.
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Speaker 1: If this is what I need from my left shoulder, yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is what I need. I'm gonna have to flow
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Speaker 1: to bloody America.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm not even kiddendoc my left shoulder
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Speaker 1: is it is two hundred and thirty five years old
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Speaker 1: right now. I had an accident and then Jim and I.
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Speaker 1: It's a mess in there. But anyway, enough about my bullshit. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so what about things like I don't even know if
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Speaker 1: therese are dumb questions because I'm not anything like an
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Speaker 1: expert in this. So if I ask a dumb question, go,
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Speaker 1: that's a dumb question, right. What's the potential application for
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Speaker 1: the kind of work that you do for paraplegics and
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Speaker 1: quadriplegics being potentially keeled to some level like that? That
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Speaker 1: must be, that must be in the thinking it's coming.
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Speaker 3: There's a wonderful study out of China that happened in
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Speaker 3: the last year or two where they took some severe
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Speaker 3: paraplegics like they had minimal function in the below the
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Speaker 3: part of the spine, and they actually did a surgery,
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Speaker 3: they cleaned up scar tissue and they imply did stem
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Speaker 3: cells and they had some amazing results. Now that's that's
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Speaker 3: a very early study and we're going to learn from that.
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Speaker 3: It's not enough to go on yet, but we now
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Speaker 3: have the ability to study this further. Right, that's that's
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Speaker 3: enough to light the fire. So it's coming.
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Speaker 1: Wow, that is I wonder what the timeline is on that.
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Speaker 1: That's for a lot of people. We've got a friend
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Speaker 1: of the show, Joel Sarti who comes on semi Regularly's
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Speaker 1: who's a quad who fell down? So he was serving
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Speaker 1: in the military, came home from Afghanistan, went to a
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Speaker 1: party and a balcony broke or something. Anyway, he ended
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Speaker 1: up in a wheelchair. Well at this stage for life.
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Speaker 1: But when I hear news like that, I get excited
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Speaker 1: for my friends who who've got spinal cord injuries and
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Speaker 1: you know, even TBIs. So, could you give us again
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Speaker 1: another layman kind of explanation of and I know it's
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Speaker 1: not one thing, it's a few things, but regenerative medicine,
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Speaker 1: what does that mean?
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Speaker 3: Regenerative medicine can be used interchangeably with the phrase stem
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Speaker 3: cell medicine. Regenerative medicine is based upon what we've learned
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Speaker 3: from stem cells, but stem cells are not the only application.
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Speaker 3: We use that phrase because people have heard of it.
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Speaker 3: For example, there's something called platelet rich plasma or PRP
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Speaker 3: that's in this field. There's something else called exosomes, which
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Speaker 3: are small signaling molecules from stem cells. So stem cells
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Speaker 3: themselves are not the only aspect of regeneritive medicine.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, why do you Why do you think that
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Speaker 1: that in medicine and a lot of other fields, But
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Speaker 1: we are so hesitant or a reluctant to consider new things.
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Speaker 1: Is it ego? Is it? What is it when somebody goes, hey, guys,
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Speaker 1: I know we've been doing it this way for ninety
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Speaker 1: four years. I get it, But how about this? How
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Speaker 1: about what is what is the what is the barrier there?
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Speaker 1: Is it because it might cost big farm of money?
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Speaker 1: Is it because of people's egos? Is it because people
21:22
Speaker 1: hate change? Is it? Or is it some of it
21:25
Speaker 1: or all of it?
21:27
Speaker 3: I think it's all those things. And it's the way
21:29
Speaker 3: people are, you know, hardwired, you know the things you do.
21:33
Speaker 3: Often are the things you keep doing more and more,
21:35
Speaker 3: and you know, you get those neural pathways set and
21:39
Speaker 3: it's hard to break out of them. And like you said,
21:42
Speaker 3: there's that cult behavior, that thinking behavior, and you know
21:47
Speaker 3: there's that self you know, affirmation. Oh I keep doing this,
21:54
Speaker 3: this is the right thing. My friends are doing it.
21:56
Speaker 3: It's the right thing. We'll keep doing this. It's the
21:57
Speaker 3: right thing, even though there might be a better idea somewhere.
22:00
Speaker 3: So it's all those things. There are a lot of
22:02
Speaker 3: egos and medicine surgeons, you know, especially in my field.
22:07
Speaker 3: And then I think you're I think you're right. There
22:11
Speaker 3: are government and economic pressures, Yeah, big pharma, And you
22:18
Speaker 3: know it's the tail wagging the dog, right, they need
22:19
Speaker 3: a disease so they can have a pill to fix it.
22:22
Speaker 3: So we have these new disease codes, yes, so that
22:25
Speaker 3: you can pay for a pill. And then why is
22:29
Speaker 3: healthcare so expensive? Because it's sick care. It's a game.
22:32
Speaker 1: And also I think like when when you have believed
22:39
Speaker 1: something for a long time, or when what you do
22:44
Speaker 1: and the way that you do it is intertwined with
22:47
Speaker 1: your identity, you know, so and that becomes so if
22:52
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you know what I believe and
22:54
Speaker 1: what I think, and my protocol and even my theology
22:57
Speaker 1: or philosophy or practice or whatever. I've been doing it
23:01
Speaker 1: this way for a very long time, and my sense
23:05
Speaker 1: of self is tied into that. Then if that's wrong,
23:09
Speaker 1: I don't know who I am, so that can't be wrong.
23:11
Speaker 1: So you're wrong and you can fuck off. Yep, do
23:14
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
23:15
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, the which probably ties into the ego, right.
23:18
Speaker 3: Your ego does not like to be questions. So if
23:22
Speaker 3: you if you create your own set of rules, there's
23:27
Speaker 3: no good way unless you're really open minded and looking
23:30
Speaker 3: at those rules and rethinking them and reevaluating them on
23:33
Speaker 3: a regular basis.
23:36
Speaker 1: I was, I'm trying to find something now, which is
23:38
Speaker 1: a terrible thing to do in real time. I put
23:41
Speaker 1: up this thing esday Doc, and I said, if pill
23:43
Speaker 1: existed that can do what strength training can, it would
23:46
Speaker 1: be the biggest selling drug in the world. And I wrote,
23:49
Speaker 1: increased muscle strength and size, build strong and more resilient muscles.
23:52
Speaker 1: Bone density reduces the risk of osteoporosis and fractures. Hands
23:58
Speaker 1: has metabolic right calorie burn even at rest, promotes fat loss,
24:01
Speaker 1: helves reducing body fat, preserving muscle, boost functional fitness, reduces
24:05
Speaker 1: injury risk, improves posture, enhances mental health, sports cardio Vashcaloue
24:09
Speaker 1: like this whole raft of things. That's obviously I'm an
24:13
Speaker 1: exercise physiologist, some bias, right, But if I invented a
24:17
Speaker 1: drug that can do that shit, I'd be a billionaire, right.
24:22
Speaker 1: But people are not other than people like me, are
24:26
Speaker 1: not running around promoting that because it doesn't make anyone. Well,
24:30
Speaker 1: it makes a few people a few dollars, but you
24:32
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's like, this is not a
24:35
Speaker 1: popular message with some people.
24:39
Speaker 3: Well, it's a difficult message. You know, we have a population,
24:44
Speaker 3: particularly here on this side of the globe, of people
24:46
Speaker 3: who don't want to get off the couch, so they
24:49
Speaker 3: would take your billion dollar pill. And you know, you
24:53
Speaker 3: think about if I can tap into what you said there,
24:56
Speaker 3: You're one hundred percent correct when we look at longevity,
24:59
Speaker 3: because you can't go into regenerative medicine and not be
25:02
Speaker 3: in the anti aging space, the healthful longevity. Yes, when
25:06
Speaker 3: you look at two things that we know that correlate
25:09
Speaker 3: with longevity, yep. One is muscle mass, lean muscle mass,
25:14
Speaker 3: and two in bone density, and if you're doing weight
25:18
Speaker 3: bearing exercise, you're taking care of bone. And why why
25:22
Speaker 3: is that? Because, as I said earlier, the largest store
25:25
Speaker 3: of your own stem cells, your own youth supporting particles,
25:31
Speaker 3: are in your bone marrow, and you support your bone.
25:38
Speaker 3: You're supporting your marrow, and you're supporting your stem cells.
25:41
Speaker 3: So they will help keep you young, theyre help prepare you.
25:43
Speaker 3: They all prevent problems. So exercise for life. Exercise stimulates
25:50
Speaker 3: the muscle mass, the biggest source of minochondria, which are
25:54
Speaker 3: kind of a cell within a cell. You got to
25:56
Speaker 3: take care of them. And use of muscles releases myo coines.
26:01
Speaker 3: Have you heard that term before? These are small peptides
26:04
Speaker 3: made by muscles that help circulate around the body. They
26:08
Speaker 3: help prevent dementia, they help stimulate hot health. There now,
26:13
Speaker 3: so that billion dollar pill is probably going to be
26:16
Speaker 3: a myokine. You're probably going to do a myokine now.
26:21
Speaker 1: It's it's and I think that apart from the fact
26:25
Speaker 1: that some people don't want you selling the exercise pill
26:28
Speaker 1: because it doesn't serve their agenda or their commercial bottom line,
26:32
Speaker 1: of course, and I understand that because that's how commerce works.
26:37
Speaker 1: But The other thing too, is that exercises hard and
26:41
Speaker 1: pills are easy.
26:44
Speaker 3: True.
26:45
Speaker 1: You know, it's like we like the idea of change, doc,
26:48
Speaker 1: but we don't love the process, like the idea of
26:52
Speaker 1: being fit, lean, strong, functional, healthy? Love that love that. Okay,
26:57
Speaker 1: here's what you need to do to create that?
26:59
Speaker 3: Nah?
26:59
Speaker 1: Fuck that I wanted to do that?
27:02
Speaker 3: Well, well, this is this is philosophically we're talking about.
27:07
Speaker 3: Is progress efficiency?
27:09
Speaker 2: Right?
27:10
Speaker 3: We become more efficient. We have washing machines and uh,
27:13
Speaker 3: you know, computers that do our calculations, and now we
27:15
Speaker 3: have AI that can even do a lot of thinking
27:18
Speaker 3: for us. So so why not not, you know, take
27:21
Speaker 3: a pill instead of the actual exercise. And I understand
27:26
Speaker 3: that there's this mindset of progress, but we probably need
27:30
Speaker 3: to redefine that because, uh, there's no better muscular stimulation
27:35
Speaker 3: than that which comes within neuro muscular component, meaning the
27:39
Speaker 3: brain has to send the signal to the muscle. You
27:41
Speaker 3: don't get the same kind of growth and development and
27:45
Speaker 3: maintenance of a muscle, uh without without stimulating it directly.
27:51
Speaker 1: We we seem I'm I'm generalizing here, but to me anyway,
27:55
Speaker 1: it seems like in general terms, a lot of us
27:59
Speaker 1: are more reactive rather than proactive when it comes to
28:02
Speaker 1: just anything health, you know, mental health, physical health. Like
28:06
Speaker 1: we wait till something breaks and we go, oh my god,
28:09
Speaker 1: you know, rather than saying, look, I'm thirty and I'm
28:12
Speaker 1: in relatively good shape, maybe I should get in a
28:15
Speaker 1: bit better shape and create some habits and an operating
28:20
Speaker 1: system and a protocol that's going to work. You know, food, exercise, lifestyle, sleep,
28:24
Speaker 1: all of those variables that impact the stuff we're talking about.
28:27
Speaker 1: What if I created now at thirty before it's dire straits.
28:31
Speaker 1: What if I created an operating system now that might
28:35
Speaker 1: work well into my eighties and nineties, Yeah, then you would.
28:40
Speaker 3: You would be smart to do it. You would be
28:43
Speaker 3: ahead of the curve. And we need to teach these
28:46
Speaker 3: habits to the kids like we did seventy five years ago. Right,
28:52
Speaker 3: we learned this in school. You learn to exercise and
28:54
Speaker 3: be healthy, and now you know, it's it's a very
28:56
Speaker 3: different thing, at least here in the States.
28:59
Speaker 1: So I always talk about lifelong learning, and you seem
29:02
Speaker 1: to be a lifelong learnable. You are a lifelong learner.
29:05
Speaker 1: So what are you learning at the moment and what's
29:08
Speaker 1: exciting you at the moment? Like, what has your attention?
29:12
Speaker 3: So these two things sort of overlap. It's what's excites
29:16
Speaker 3: me and what I'm learning about is how we can
29:19
Speaker 3: use select aspects of regeneritive medicine to improve our immune
29:26
Speaker 3: system to fight cancer. And wouldn't that be wonderful to
29:30
Speaker 3: have these natural biological approaches to cancer as opposed to
29:35
Speaker 3: chemotherapies and radiations and other harmful approaches, notwithstanding the idea
29:40
Speaker 3: that some of those work right now and it's the
29:41
Speaker 3: state of the art, yes, it could be better options.
29:46
Speaker 1: And where is the profession at or the research at
29:51
Speaker 1: in terms of that becoming more of a curiosity or
29:55
Speaker 1: a thing that we're interested into that maybe being you know,
29:59
Speaker 1: we out in some way or you know, practically adapted
30:03
Speaker 1: and adopted.
30:05
Speaker 3: Well, like any things, you have early adopters, And we'd
30:09
Speaker 3: like to call ourselves biohackers who try things. And when
30:14
Speaker 3: you have cancer or a loved one has cancer, you
30:18
Speaker 3: know you're you're open minded, you're willing to try things, right,
30:21
Speaker 3: it's called compassionate use. So as we're able to get
30:24
Speaker 3: our hands on some of these selective regenitive biologics, we
30:31
Speaker 3: are there are already people trying these out on one
30:35
Speaker 3: off situations, So there there aren't really good controlled studies yet.
30:40
Speaker 3: But you know, like anything, it's got to start with
30:44
Speaker 3: an observation here and there before a study is born.
30:46
Speaker 3: So I think we're within a few years of seeing
30:50
Speaker 3: some of these. We already have some aspects of it.
30:53
Speaker 3: There's something called car T cell c r SHT, which
30:57
Speaker 3: is a mechanism of using the immune system to enhance
31:01
Speaker 3: it to go after cancer. But I think it's going
31:04
Speaker 3: to get easier and better.
31:07
Speaker 1: Is there a country, doctor Jeff, that is kind of
31:12
Speaker 1: at the forefront. Is there one country in the world that's,
31:15
Speaker 1: for one of a better term, the most open minded?
31:18
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that I call China open minded.
31:21
Speaker 1: As a country, right right, but they.
31:25
Speaker 3: Certainly blaze the trail in trying things, and all the
31:32
Speaker 3: early work of something usually comes out of China.
31:38
Speaker 1: Interesting if we were looking at like overall health outcomes
31:42
Speaker 1: for you know, the general population. And again this is
31:46
Speaker 1: I've asked this to a few people, and it's just
31:48
Speaker 1: a guesstimate. I don't expect you know, anything necessarily research base,
31:54
Speaker 1: But how much do you think it's about what I
31:57
Speaker 1: was born with, my genetics? And how much is about
32:00
Speaker 1: my you know, my lifestyle choices, habits, behaviors, you know,
32:04
Speaker 1: self regulation, food, all that. What do you think the
32:07
Speaker 1: ratio is all the percentages?
32:10
Speaker 3: Well, had you asked me this ten or more years ago,
32:13
Speaker 3: I would have said mostly the genetic component, mostly what
32:17
Speaker 3: you were born with. Yes, nature, But I think we've
32:21
Speaker 3: learned through a lot of the biological age clocks, the
32:26
Speaker 3: you know horrorvauth work, the epigenetic work. It's lifestyle choices.
32:33
Speaker 3: Nurture has a bigger component in how our health is
32:38
Speaker 3: and how our longevity, our healthy longevity goes.
32:43
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know if it's just that
32:46
Speaker 1: I'm paying more attention or it's getting more airtime. But
32:50
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, which was two hundred and
32:52
Speaker 1: thirteen years ago, like there was not obviously there wasn't
32:56
Speaker 1: the same level of discussion around mental health that there
32:59
Speaker 1: is now, which of there should be. But it seems
33:02
Speaker 1: like eight out of ten people have in inverted commas
33:07
Speaker 1: have anxiety, right, and just I'm interested in like the relationship,
33:15
Speaker 1: but like because anxiety has an impact on our physiology, right,
33:19
Speaker 1: and you know everything from you know, heart rate and
33:23
Speaker 1: blood pressure and endocrime system and nervous system and all
33:27
Speaker 1: of that. Talk to us a little bit about your
33:30
Speaker 1: thinking around anxiety and the impact on health. And I
33:33
Speaker 1: don't know what we might because I would say, if
33:35
Speaker 1: twenty thousand people listen to this today, eight ten thousand
33:38
Speaker 1: of them deal with anxiety, if not regularly, then semi regularly.
33:43
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts around that?
33:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think and even some of those that aren't
33:47
Speaker 3: dealing with it often may have a subclinical variety, meaning
33:52
Speaker 3: they don't feel the symptoms of it, but they're having
33:55
Speaker 3: elevated cortisol levels, which is the stress hormone. Uh. There is,
34:02
Speaker 3: you know, the brain is current, is constantly stimulated. There is.
34:06
Speaker 3: You've got smartphones with so much data flashed in front
34:11
Speaker 3: of you. Uh, a lot of this data is lit up,
34:14
Speaker 3: it's in it's in bright lights and in screens like
34:17
Speaker 3: we're using right now to have this broadcast. Yes, and
34:21
Speaker 3: it's it's you know, our nervous system was was made
34:26
Speaker 3: for you know, light and dark cycle sun and you know, daytime,
34:30
Speaker 3: night time, and the the cortisol is supposed to shut
34:33
Speaker 3: off when the when the sun goes down, and uh,
34:37
Speaker 3: we're supposed to get restorative sleep. Most people with a
34:40
Speaker 3: level of anxiety from all the stress during the day,
34:43
Speaker 3: and not just like stress from work and family, but
34:46
Speaker 3: just the the bombardment of neural stimulus in your eye,
34:52
Speaker 3: Uh cause us to be unable to settle down and
34:55
Speaker 3: get into that mindful, meditative, uh deep relaxed date to
35:00
Speaker 3: get good sleep hygiene. So our sleep is not as good.
35:03
Speaker 3: So I think anxiety is a product of the mass
35:10
Speaker 3: of information, the speed of information, and the format in
35:15
Speaker 3: which it's coming. And the one simple thing people can
35:20
Speaker 3: do is just shut it off when the sun goes down.
35:23
Speaker 3: You know, you can read a book, you can talk,
35:26
Speaker 3: you can listen to music, but don't you know, turn
35:29
Speaker 3: off the computers, the smartphones, the screens. And I'm guilty
35:32
Speaker 3: of it too, Craig, I'll admit it right here. You know,
35:36
Speaker 3: I'm on my phone sometimes. But we need to really,
35:40
Speaker 3: really relax. And that doesn't mean continue to stimulate our
35:46
Speaker 3: nervous system when we're trying to relax.
35:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, think about how we live now with all of
35:54
Speaker 1: the racesources and tools and tech and you know, like
35:58
Speaker 1: hop a vigilance around bloody, you know, all of these,
36:01
Speaker 1: as you said, these inbound stimuli. And if I don't
36:04
Speaker 1: know we've been around three hundred thousand years or something
36:08
Speaker 1: as a species, depending on what you believe. But for
36:11
Speaker 1: nearly all of that, we didn't have the stuff that
36:14
Speaker 1: we currently have, Like for ninety nine point nine percent
36:17
Speaker 1: of mankind's journey, human kind's journey, like, we didn't have
36:22
Speaker 1: all the shit that we have now that can create
36:25
Speaker 1: all of these problems. And you know, but and now
36:31
Speaker 1: we're having children born into a world where they've never
36:35
Speaker 1: known anything else, Like they're literally handed an iPhone or
36:39
Speaker 1: a tablet at twelve months and they're learning to navigate
36:45
Speaker 1: technology at one year old or eighteen months old because
36:50
Speaker 1: it you know, and I'm not a parent, so there's
36:52
Speaker 1: no judgment here, but it's almost like the impromptu babysitter.
36:58
Speaker 1: And I understand that there's no judgment than that, but
37:00
Speaker 1: it's like, you think the world is the world is
37:04
Speaker 1: not what it once was. It's so different. And I
37:06
Speaker 1: know that's an obvious thing to say, but it's been
37:08
Speaker 1: an exponential kind of change, hasn't.
37:11
Speaker 3: It agree completely? You know, you go back one hundred,
37:17
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty years and we didn't have anything, right,
37:20
Speaker 3: We didn't have electricity, so we sat on the campfire
37:23
Speaker 3: or your stove or your fireplace, and you went to
37:27
Speaker 3: bed and you rested, you really rested. You didn't have
37:31
Speaker 3: much to worry about it.
37:33
Speaker 1: And you think about that one hundred and fifty years
37:35
Speaker 1: ago version of us, the thousand year ago version of
37:39
Speaker 1: us was kind of not that different, and the two
37:42
Speaker 1: thousand year ago version not that different, you know. One
37:45
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years ago, like you said, no electricity,
37:48
Speaker 1: virtually none of the drugs we currently have, no motor vehicles,
37:52
Speaker 1: no planes, no technology as such, you know. And then
37:57
Speaker 1: in the last one hundred and fifty years or thereabouts,
38:00
Speaker 1: the world has changed more than in the three hundred
38:04
Speaker 1: thousand years before by a thousand, you know. And then
38:09
Speaker 1: and our body wasn't built for and didn't evolve for
38:12
Speaker 1: what it's currently in the middle of.
38:15
Speaker 3: Right. So, while we have improvements in health technology like
38:20
Speaker 3: antibiotics and things that have have helped, you know, increase
38:23
Speaker 3: our lifespan, Yes, now we're fighting up against the ceiling
38:27
Speaker 3: because we have this alternative pressure of the stress and
38:32
Speaker 3: the inflammation and the damage happening to the brain and body.
38:37
Speaker 3: And that's why we're sort of static with a lot
38:40
Speaker 3: of our life expectancies.
38:42
Speaker 1: Now, yes, yeah. One of the things that I do
38:46
Speaker 1: doc with people that I coach. So I just finished
38:49
Speaker 1: doing a ten week mentoring program with a bunch of people,
38:52
Speaker 1: and I do a fair bit of one on one stuff.
38:55
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I recommend, you know,
38:58
Speaker 1: it's just a thought, it's just a recommendation, it's not
39:01
Speaker 1: a prescription. But I recommend people spend three days a
39:05
Speaker 1: year by themselves, three days a year by themselves, no phone,
39:08
Speaker 1: no technology, no TV, no media, no social media, and
39:13
Speaker 1: if possible, no other humans.
39:15
Speaker 3: Right.
39:17
Speaker 1: I did this for ten days when I was having
39:20
Speaker 1: a bit of a midlife not or an early midlife crisis,
39:23
Speaker 1: when I was in my early thirties and I was
39:26
Speaker 1: trying to figure out essentially what I wanted the rest
39:29
Speaker 1: of my life to be. Like, I had all these businesses,
39:31
Speaker 1: I had five different businesses. I was doing well. I
39:34
Speaker 1: was commercially and professionally doing well. But in the middle
39:38
Speaker 1: of all that doing well, I was a physical, mental, emotional,
39:43
Speaker 1: spiritual train wreck. And I'm like, how come from the
39:45
Speaker 1: outside looking in my life is amazing, but the inside
39:48
Speaker 1: out experience is fucking horrible. Right, And so I thought,
39:53
Speaker 1: I need to and it wasn't that I was doing
39:55
Speaker 1: anything bad or like my situation was actually amazing. I
39:59
Speaker 1: was blessed. But in the middle of that situation, it
40:04
Speaker 1: wasn't working. And I went away and I spent ten
40:05
Speaker 1: days by myself. And anyway, for me, that ten days
40:08
Speaker 1: was a revelation and the beginning of something of a
40:11
Speaker 1: revolution in my own life. Right, it's just because I
40:15
Speaker 1: got to know me a little bit, and I was
40:17
Speaker 1: so I had so many issues. I still do, but
40:19
Speaker 1: so much insecurity, so much bullshit, so much not dealing
40:23
Speaker 1: with reality so much and pushing things down, you know.
40:26
Speaker 1: And So I was talking to a friend of mine
40:30
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, and I told him about
40:32
Speaker 1: the three day thing. He goes, I'm going to do it.
40:35
Speaker 1: And he came home the first night he said, I can't.
40:40
Speaker 1: I couldn't cope. Like he couldn't cope for one day
40:43
Speaker 1: with like he was just in nature. Right, he went
40:46
Speaker 1: to camp. He was going to camp three days, and
40:48
Speaker 1: he came home. He came home at like midnight on
40:51
Speaker 1: the first day. He said, I couldn't. He said, I
40:55
Speaker 1: was crying. I don't even know why I'm crying. I said,
40:58
Speaker 1: I that's exactly what I did when I did my
41:01
Speaker 1: ten day one, first day or two or three. There
41:03
Speaker 1: was so much shit coming up because I was so
41:06
Speaker 1: used to being distracted and busy and having my head
41:10
Speaker 1: and not even letting myself feel whatever was going on, good, bad,
41:16
Speaker 1: or indifferent. You know. So I don't know why I'm
41:19
Speaker 1: telling you all this, but I feel like, you know,
41:22
Speaker 1: we used to be nature like we used to go.
41:24
Speaker 1: Now we go. I'm going to go, and I love
41:26
Speaker 1: it when I'm in nature, Whereas once upon a time
41:28
Speaker 1: we were nature like we were part it was, we
41:31
Speaker 1: were just part of a system of nature. And now
41:35
Speaker 1: we're just in this fucking alternate reality and we need
41:37
Speaker 1: to drive to wherever to go sit by a tree.
41:42
Speaker 3: It's I imagine being like New York City. You have
41:45
Speaker 3: to go to the park. It's the only place, right,
41:47
Speaker 3: It's You're absolutely right. If you really want to overcome
41:52
Speaker 3: anxiety and depression, you learn to be lonely, learn to
41:55
Speaker 3: be with yourself and your thoughts, and that it's a key.
42:00
Speaker 3: And you know, we need to impart that upon our children.
42:04
Speaker 4: And and and and not to be dependent because when
42:10
Speaker 4: you when you that dependency is not there for a minute,
42:12
Speaker 4: your anxiety peaks, your depression peaks, and it is challenging.
42:15
Speaker 3: I believe wholeheartedly what you're saying.
42:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I think you need to tell the doc
42:21
Speaker 1: about your twelve minute MRI and how you had antswer
42:24
Speaker 1: in your pants this morning, and and you couldn't, you
42:27
Speaker 1: couldn't call tell him what.
42:30
Speaker 2: You had done, mountain in there. It's no mountain when
42:33
Speaker 2: you're not you know, when you're not allowed to move
42:36
Speaker 2: part of your body, and then all of your body goes,
42:39
Speaker 2: you have to move that part of your body. It
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Speaker 2: was just twelve minutes of absolute torture. I had to
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Speaker 2: pretend for as long as I could that it was
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Speaker 2: my feet that I couldn't move, so that the focus
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Speaker 2: was on my feet, so that if I was doing
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Speaker 2: micro movements, it was going to be my feet, not
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Speaker 2: my neck.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and my eyes are tough, but amazing technology. What
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Speaker 3: we can see with that, you know, is well well
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Speaker 3: beyond our time that that was a technology, probably before
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Speaker 3: it's time.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna wind up, doc, But is there anything that
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Speaker 1: we can learn from ancient wisdom?
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Speaker 3: From listen to your grandmothers. If your grandmother said eat
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Speaker 3: fruits and vegetables, she was right. If your grandmother said
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Speaker 3: get a full night's sleep, she was right. If she said,
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Speaker 3: you know all kinds of different you know, old grandmother wisdom,
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Speaker 3: she was right. All those things stimulate your health, your
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Speaker 3: stem cells, and what happens in most cultures when you're sick,
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Speaker 3: they make your chicken soup, right, yes, because the chicken
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Speaker 3: soup is made from chicken stock, chicken bone marrow, chicken bones,
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Speaker 3: and those bones released the stem cells and the stem
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Speaker 3: cell exosomes to make you healthy. And think about some
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Speaker 3: some other health aspects of stem cells you can get.
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Speaker 3: You can get bone broth, which is very healthy. You
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Speaker 3: can eat bone marrow, which has themselves, and I mean
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Speaker 3: there are so many ways that that we've known. I mean,
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Speaker 3: even other species eat bone marrow, right see yeah, yeah, yep,
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Speaker 3: they know it's healthy. They've figured it out somehow. So
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Speaker 3: we're just now learning that again through the science side.
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Speaker 3: So we can make it sound like we're smart, but
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Speaker 3: it's nothing that new.
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Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's almost like we come full circle
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Speaker 1: and like twenty twenty four, we think we're so smart,
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Speaker 1: We've got so much science, so much tech, so many tools,
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Speaker 1: so much research, and then from a health point of view,
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Speaker 1: We've never been worse. Fuck, we've never been less. We
44:43
Speaker 1: got more shit, more knowledge, more tools, more gurus. We've
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Speaker 1: never been more fucked as a species, really, struthfully.
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Speaker 3: So the solution is to get up and move exercises.
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Speaker 3: The is the billion dollar PI. You can save yourself
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Speaker 3: a billion dollars. So you're absolutely right, Doc.
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Speaker 1: Before we let you go, do you want to point
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Speaker 1: our listeners towards anything any any of your work, any
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Speaker 1: of your products or services or website? How do they
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Speaker 1: do that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm not much of a salesman, but if anyone
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Speaker 3: out there has some kind of issue or problem or
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Speaker 3: they want to, you know, see if regenerative medicine is
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Speaker 3: an option for them, separate from something traditional, just to
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Speaker 3: talk about it. I'm your guy. Go to re celebrate
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Speaker 3: LinkedIn Facebook, all the fun stuff the kids are on.
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Speaker 3: Just but turn your phones off at dark.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good idea, Doug. Can I ask a rude question?
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Speaker 1: How old are you?
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Speaker 3: Fifty nine?
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Speaker 1: Hey? You look good, dude, whatever you're doing that everyone
45:52
Speaker 1: he looks good. It's fucking annoying how good he looks?
45:56
Speaker 1: He looks like forty five.
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Speaker 3: And customer too. I've used these things myself.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I look like I look like an
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Speaker 1: old leather boot. He looks like a brand new added
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Speaker 1: as Rome. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: Come visit us here in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA. We'll
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Speaker 3: up like a brand new Italian leather shoe.
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Speaker 1: Yeah that would be good. We'll say goodbye a fair doc,
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Speaker 1: but we appreciate you for the moment. Thanks for being
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Speaker 1: on the You project.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me