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Heavy Metal Pt II · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's
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  Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too for part two of our
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  Speaker 2: episodes on heavy metal the Music. Sorry all you ken
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  Speaker 2: majors who showed up with different expectations.
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  Speaker 1: Would you like to see the pope on the end
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  Speaker 1: of the rope? Do you think he's a fool?
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  Speaker 2: What is that?
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  Speaker 1: That's Sabbath which my brother always laughed at that line
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  Speaker 1: which it's on. I think it's on Master of Reality.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the name of the song. I think
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  Speaker 1: I said end of the rope, end of a rope. Obviously.
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  Speaker 2: I'll bet your brother thought that it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: He did. Yeah, I think that's the only thing he
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  Speaker 1: knows about Black Sabbath, which is hysterical.
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  Speaker 2: Some of it is pretty comical, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and I guess let's go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: kick off part two with talking about Ozzie, because this
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  Speaker 1: is a section where we're going to talk about some
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  Speaker 1: some contra Ozzie and his day certainly had a few
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  Speaker 1: of them. He was kicked out of Black Sabbath in
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  Speaker 1: the late seventies because he partied too hard for Black
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  Speaker 1: Sabbath even he was replaced by the great Ronnie James
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  Speaker 1: Dio and went on to have a solo career. But
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  Speaker 1: there are a couple of things that happened in his life,
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  Speaker 1: notably biting the heads off of things that gained him
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  Speaker 1: a lot of attention. At one CBS sales convention, he
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to release these live doves and instead he
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  Speaker 1: bit the heads off of them. And the story has
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  Speaker 1: changed a lot over the years, so depending on who
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  Speaker 1: you're talking to is what version. But he bit the
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  Speaker 1: head off of one to shock people in a room,
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  Speaker 1: and apparently was being let out, bit the head off
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  Speaker 1: the other. There are also people that said that they
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  Speaker 1: were not alive at the time. The same thing when
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  Speaker 1: he bit the head off of a bat in Des
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  Speaker 1: Moines nineteen eighty two on stage when somebody threw a
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  Speaker 1: bat on stage right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And somebody tracked down the guy who threw the
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  Speaker 2: bat and he said that bat had been dead for days.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark Neil and I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: What is worse, biting the head off of a live
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  Speaker 2: bat or biting the half of a bat that's been
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  Speaker 2: sitting around dead for a couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: I I don't know, flip a coin, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Either way, I've I've reached a point in my life
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  Speaker 2: where I can't even take talking about like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's the way. I just don't kill the dog's That's
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  Speaker 2: where I've gotten to in life.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, you know. Yeah, I mean he
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  Speaker 1: snorted live ants beside a swimming pool on tourd Motley
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  Speaker 1: Crue and I feel bad for those ants.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly what did they do? Like, you know, nothing?
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  Speaker 2: I think Ozzie was a cool dude in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of ways, but he was also very hard to get around,
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  Speaker 2: and that was one reason why I got kicked out
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  Speaker 2: of Black Sabbath. Like some people like Dave Mustain, like Ozzie,
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  Speaker 2: like their bandmates were partying as hard as they were,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes harder, but they didn't turn into evil. Yeah, who
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  Speaker 2: would like get in your face or try to kill you,
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  Speaker 2: or like try to do something horrible and like ruin
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  Speaker 2: everybody's time. That's how you would get kicked out of
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  Speaker 2: a heavy metal band, by being such a jerk that
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  Speaker 2: your bandmates are like, we can't put up with this anymore.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to replace you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think that was definitely the case with Mustaane. I
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  Speaker 1: think Ozzie was a little more. His reliability became an issue.
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  Speaker 2: Oh is that right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that was a deal. But we should
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit. I know we covered it in
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  Speaker 1: the Satanic Panic episode, but you can't have a metal
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  Speaker 1: episode without talking a little bit about the Parents Music
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  Speaker 1: Resource Center the PMRC in nineteen eighty five, led by
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  Speaker 1: Tipper Gore, al Gore's wife. At one point, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they own a mission to clean up music into it
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  Speaker 1: at the very least to get ratings on record albums.
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  Speaker 1: So at one point they released their Filthy fifteen of
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  Speaker 1: the filthiest fifteen songs, and nine out of the fifteen
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  Speaker 1: were either metal or hard rock bands.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean def Leppard, Come on.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they're they're considered metal, but I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what song that would have even been.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying, not whether or not they're metal.
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  Speaker 2: Same with the CDC and Twisted's sister, Like, what are
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  Speaker 2: these guys singing about that you need to censor? Like
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  Speaker 2: give me a break, Venom and Merciful Fate again. I
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  Speaker 2: get why suburban parents were scared of these guys. They
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  Speaker 2: were like legit like, hey, let's talk about Satan and
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  Speaker 2: how Brady is and how much you suck religious people.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, I'm sure, and I'm not saying like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they deserve to be censored. I get that one. But
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  Speaker 2: Mandonna Prince def Leppard, like it's just it was. It
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  Speaker 2: just goes to show you how preposterous the whole thing was.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, a lot of people say it worked. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's how we ended up with the warning explicit lyrics sticker,
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  Speaker 2: which actually helped a lot of hip hop groups sell
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  Speaker 2: more records.
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  Speaker 1: You mean the Badge of Honor exactly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But some people say that MTV actually kind of was
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  Speaker 2: under pressure to stop showing as much heavy metal, and
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  Speaker 2: that heavy metal got pushed a little bit out of
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  Speaker 2: the mainstream. Yeah, but instead on Tonight like the two
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  Speaker 2: hour version of Hebbanger's Ball every week, which is not
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  Speaker 2: a lot compared to what it used to be. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if we said, but Iron Maiden had
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  Speaker 2: not one, but two videos played on MTV in the
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  Speaker 2: first twenty four hours that MTV was on the air,
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  Speaker 2: and I think they were played more than once, and
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  Speaker 2: the first one was sandwiched in between Rod Stewart's Sailing
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  Speaker 2: and Ario Speedwagons Keep On Loving You.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the rotation for MTV was eclectic, for sure,
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  Speaker 1: and that's kind of what people liked about it for
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  Speaker 1: the most part, because it was way more eclectic than
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  Speaker 1: FM radio, even because that was generally genre and they
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  Speaker 1: didn't jump around from Madonna to Iron Maiden on radio.
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  Speaker 1: Now for the most part. I mean, maybe there might
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  Speaker 1: be some like maybe k Rock was doing something like that,
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  Speaker 1: but generally you had to go to MTV to get
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  Speaker 1: metal at all. And then when they sequestered it to
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  Speaker 1: Headbanger's Ball, initially I think it was called the Heavy
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  Speaker 1: Metal Mania hosted by de Snyder, but then it became
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  Speaker 1: Headbanger's Ball with once again the great Ricky Rockman. Love
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  Speaker 1: that guy. At least then metal heads had a place
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  Speaker 1: to go where you could really sink in for a
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  Speaker 1: couple of hours, you know.
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  Speaker 2: For sure. The same with Member one hundred and twenty minutes.
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  Speaker 1: For New Rivers, that was Matt Benfield.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to see a bow House video, that's
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  Speaker 2: where you go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: And if you want to know our metal bona fides people,
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  Speaker 2: we've been in the same room as d Snyder. He
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  Speaker 2: nodded to us once in passing in a hallway.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, Headbanger's Ball also had some tours in North
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  Speaker 2: America when it was really big eighty seven, eighty nine,
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  Speaker 2: and ninety two, so.
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  Speaker 1: They really a festival thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much cool. Yeah, And then I think also
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  Speaker 2: we should we should mention too that one of the
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  Speaker 2: things about metal is that it has been and I
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  Speaker 2: think still remained pretty white, working class male for the
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  Speaker 2: most part, but it's definitely gotten more diverse than it
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  Speaker 2: was in the mid eighties.
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  Speaker 1: Say yeah, I mean there weren't a lot of bands.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there were bands like Bad Brains that was
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  Speaker 1: way more punk but had metal sort of sounds with
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  Speaker 1: their guitar love Bad Brains, body Count came around. They
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  Speaker 1: were I mean, I think they were for sure kind
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  Speaker 1: of speed.
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  Speaker 2: Metal, yeah, but with with iced tea wrapping.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw them at that Lallapalooza. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: include Living Color at all. Does Sorry, Olivia, there.
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  Speaker 2: No Vernon Reid's guitar playing is metal?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I listened to the song Glamour Boys,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, well, that's kind of hair metally
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  Speaker 1: Glamour Boys, is it? Hey?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, speaking of hair metal, I forgot one great hair
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  Speaker 2: metal band, let's hear it that came out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you're gonna say Europe.
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  Speaker 2: No, Europe's definitely in there with the Final Count. Yeah, No,
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  Speaker 2: the Darkness. They're a great hair metal band, even though
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  Speaker 2: they're like, I guess, tongue in cheek. I think they
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  Speaker 2: know that their tongue in cheek. But they're really great
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  Speaker 2: as far as hair metal music goes. There talented musicians.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there was a wave around then where
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  Speaker 1: people started to kind of try to evoke that thing again,
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  Speaker 1: and The Darkness was in that group.
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  Speaker 2: And then Fishbone that was another all black band that
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  Speaker 2: you could make a case had some definite metal tendencies
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  Speaker 2: for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Not Living Color, definitely Fishbone. I loved Fishbone. Truth
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  Speaker 1: and Soul is one of the great albums of all time,
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  Speaker 1: and I saw them several times in concert.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and then also Living Color featuring Vernon Reed. And
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  Speaker 2: we talked a little bit about women too, right. We
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  Speaker 2: talked about Elisa White Gloves from Arch Enemy. She's actually
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  Speaker 2: the second woman singer for Arch Enemy. There was a
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  Speaker 2: singer named Angela Gossau who was I think I replaced
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  Speaker 2: the original male singer of Arch Enemy again, a melodic
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  Speaker 2: Swedish death metal band. And then there's another metal queen
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  Speaker 2: out there who at least used to be a stuff
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  Speaker 2: you should know listener named Nita Strauss.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Nita's great. Met her backstage because she was kind
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  Speaker 1: enough to invite us to the Motley Cruz show where
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  Speaker 1: she plays still plays with Alice Cooper band, And I
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  Speaker 1: met Nita and she's super awesome and I think she's
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  Speaker 1: since gotten married, So congratulations on that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's also in Iron Maidens, the Iron Maiden all
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  Speaker 2: women Iron Maiden cover band.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And guess what that Judas pre show
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to, Anita will be there because Alice Cooper's
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  Speaker 1: opening up.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome, dude. Well hopefully she hears this.
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  Speaker 1: I hope so, because we're not in touch or anything.
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  Speaker 1: I just remember she was super sweet and was big
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  Speaker 1: into science. That's really cool man kind of a science. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's great guitar.
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  Speaker 2: Player for sure. Speaking of Jewish Priest, are you going
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  Speaker 2: to dress like a leather daddy to the Judas Priest show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to dress like a leather daddy because
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  Speaker 1: I don't have those clothes and I wouldn't want to
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  Speaker 1: Just what do you call that appropriate? Like a legit
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  Speaker 1: style for a demographic, But yeah, I mean that's definitely
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  Speaker 1: a heavy metal The leather and studs is a heavy
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  Speaker 1: metal trope like no.
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  Speaker 2: Other where did it come from, Chuck?
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  Speaker 1: I mean probably Rob Halford and going to underground gay
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  Speaker 1: clubs in London would be my guest.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. All of the like black leather, metal
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  Speaker 2: studded look that permeates heavy metal still in part to
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  Speaker 2: this day, came from gay BDSM clubs that Rob Halford,
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  Speaker 2: as far as I know, the only out LGBTQ medal
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  Speaker 2: singer went to while he was still very much in
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  Speaker 2: the closet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's great. It's amazing. I can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to see. I'll send you videos and stuff, Okay, please
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  Speaker 1: do Yeah, just you, not everybody. That's maybe I'll post
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  Speaker 1: some on my Instagram account at Chuck the Podcaster, so
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  Speaker 1: be looking for that this fall.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, fine, so Chuck. Speaking of tropes like dressing like
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  Speaker 2: a leather daddy to be a metal god, there's actually
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  Speaker 2: a few others that are. They're not necessarily like oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is a characteristic of metal. They're just things that
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  Speaker 2: bands have done and copied each other on over the
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  Speaker 2: years that now people say like, this is a characteristic
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  Speaker 2: of metal, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I have to mention the decorative umlaut.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of the funniest, kind of greatest things and
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  Speaker 1: one of the biggest except for I think Blue Oyster Cult,
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  Speaker 1: who I don't consider metal. They have the umlout over
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  Speaker 1: the oh and the oyster, but it became very metal.
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  Speaker 1: There's no other way to make anything seem metal in
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  Speaker 1: writing than to There's certain fonts that we'll talk about,
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  Speaker 1: but if you throw a couple of decorative umwouts in there,
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  Speaker 1: it just looks more metal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think even Scandinavian bands that have their own thing,
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  Speaker 2: which is the the forward slash going through the oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think they actually in some cases place that with
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  Speaker 2: an umlaut. That's how metal the umlaud is.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, And apparently a rock critic named Richard Metzler claims
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  Speaker 2: that he was the one who told Blue Oyster Cult
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  Speaker 2: to use that to use in umlaut. Unnecessarily, people say
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  Speaker 2: that Blue Oyster Cult was the one who did that
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  Speaker 2: like you said. And Richard Meltzer or Metzler also claims
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  Speaker 2: to be the one who suggests that they use more
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  Speaker 2: cow bell in their music.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, I didn't see that coming somehow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, makes me very happy.
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  Speaker 1: Very nice. Classical music is an inspiration is definitely. I
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  Speaker 1: don't even call it a trope. It's just a thing
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  Speaker 1: in metal, the theatricality, the virtuosity and that technical ability.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you'll find that many heavy metal league guitarists
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  Speaker 1: were schooled in classical not the least of which is
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  Speaker 1: the great Randy Rhodes, who we'll talk about later. And
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  Speaker 1: Eddie van Halen, you know, took you know, classical piano
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  Speaker 1: lessons and stuff like that when he was a kid
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  Speaker 1: piano player. Yeah, not a metal god, but yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: classical for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing is one thing to understand about metal
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  Speaker 2: across the board, in any genre or subgenre, is there
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  Speaker 2: are very few bands where that make music where you
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  Speaker 2: can suck. You essentially have to be an expert, extremely
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  Speaker 2: talented musician to play metal. Even the stuff that you're like,
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  Speaker 2: what is this? If you actually stopped and listened to
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  Speaker 2: the layers, the composition, the time signatures like this, is
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  Speaker 2: really complex, complicated music in every single subgenre. So like
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  Speaker 2: metal as a whole. As a group, metal musicians tend
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  Speaker 2: to be about as talented as you'll find in any
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  Speaker 2: rock outfit by far.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they all have chops. That was another thing that
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  Speaker 1: got me a little bit into metal was I started
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  Speaker 1: playing guitar when I was thirteen and immediately subscribed to
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  Speaker 1: Guitar Player magazine, which was I mean, that's how I
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  Speaker 1: knew about all those guitar players. Emily always makes fun
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  Speaker 1: of me when she's like, uh, Judas Priest said, I'll
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  Speaker 1: go Glenn tipped it in KK Downing, and I can
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  Speaker 1: name all these guitar players. It's from pouring over that magazine. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't even that into Judas Priest, but I knew
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  Speaker 1: these guys from these articles.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I still to this day lament that I
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  Speaker 2: had a terrible teacher for electric guitar on my Salmon
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  Speaker 2: colored I don't even remember what kind of guitar it was,
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  Speaker 2: but I remember I complained about him before and someone
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  Speaker 2: who had that same teacher wrote in and was like,
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  Speaker 2: I know exactly what you're talking about. That guy sucked.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, who knows what could have happened.
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  Speaker 2: They even told me the band. I can't remember what
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  Speaker 2: the band was. I wouldn't name check him anyway, because
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to shame the guy. But he was
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  Speaker 2: a terrible guitar teacher and I was really into it
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  Speaker 2: at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Well that I got a BC Rich candy Apple read
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  Speaker 1: bc Rich guitar because of that early sort of hard
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  Speaker 1: rock influence. Because it's kind of a corny guitar. Now,
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  Speaker 1: did not get a warlock For people who know BC
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  Speaker 1: Rich guitars, that's one of the most metal looking guitars ever.
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  Speaker 2: Oh is it like the triangle, the flying triangle? No?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, that's a flying bee.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, bitch, they don't call it the flying triangle.
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  Speaker 1: It can. The flying bee can definitely be metal. But
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  Speaker 1: it also has been used in a lot of classic rock.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what's the one you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I'll send you a picture of it. It's you'd know
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  Speaker 1: it as soon as you saw it. Okay, you probably
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  Speaker 1: don't have your phone though, right, Oh, there it is.
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  Speaker 1: I'll send it to you and you'll text me after
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  Speaker 1: what else?
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  Speaker 2: Check anything else?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean you got to mention Lord of the
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  Speaker 1: Rings because we kind of joked about it. But Lord
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  Speaker 1: of the Rings has been in a lot of metal songs,
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  Speaker 1: like figuratively, like thematically and literally yes, so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like the like led Zeppelin song about the
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  Speaker 2: Darkest Steps of Mortar, and all sorts of other stuff
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  Speaker 2: too and throughout like their whole catalog. I think who
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  Speaker 2: who else was well known for that. I think Megadeth
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  Speaker 2: had a song that was based on Aragon's speech in
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  Speaker 2: the Return of the King. Like it's a really recurring
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  Speaker 2: it is. It's a trope. There's no other way to
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  Speaker 2: put it. It's been in heavy metal from the outset
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  Speaker 2: still through today. People are referencing it in some ways.
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  Speaker 2: In some cases, like like there's a group called Bursom.
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  Speaker 2: It was a solo project by varg Vicarnes. He was
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  Speaker 2: imprisoned for murdering former bandmate Uronymous from Mayhew and then
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  Speaker 2: he was also charged with burning down churches in the
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  Speaker 2: He's from black metal scene anyway, does not talk about
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  Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings stuff at all, and yet it's
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  Speaker 2: still from Lord of the Rings. Bursom is But this,
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  Speaker 2: I think kind of gets across how black metal. The
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Bursom project was. Bursom in Lord of the Rings means
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: darkness in the black speech that's spoken in Mordar. So
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: it's dark in the darkest place, and it means darkness
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: in that dark place language. That's how That's how dark
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: that black metal was.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: And their album cover is Banta black.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: No light can escape from it.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: We should also mention we'll take you break here in
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: a second. We should also mention the Gothic font I
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: mentioned fonts. You gotta have the right font on your
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: metal album. Sabbath definitely was kind of one of the first.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I think their album Sabbath Bloody Sabbath used the old
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: English black letter typeface, and there's nothing spooky you're looking
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: than black letter, you know.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: No for sure. But what's hilarious is it's just evolved
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: and evolved and evolved to where very frequently you run
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: across a metal album cover and you'll be like, what,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: what is the band's name? I can't I can't decipher
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: this at all.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I can't even read it.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: It's just so tangled, like I can't tell what it says.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Sometimes when you find out the band's name, you'll be like, oh, okay,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I see it now, But other times I still don't
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: see it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: It's pretty funny. It's like a it's very spinal tab.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes it is. Yeah, and they definitely should at
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: least get name checked in this episode.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah. Absolutely. In fact, just today at their neutral
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: tailor for the Spinal Tap sequel dropped. Uh yeah, d
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: it doesn't look good that great. But I don't know,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna definitely see it. I'm withholding judgment.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: It just it doesn't look very good.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: No, I think it was just I don't know. I mean,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: it's a good enough concept, like get the old band
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: back together for one more show. So it's not like
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the idea isn't solid, like that's a very like realistic
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: thing for an old metal band. I just I don't know.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: We'll see, all right, So enough of fine, so let's
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: take a break and we'll talk about some brain stuff
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: and album covers and social views and all that fun
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: stuff right after this, all.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Right, Chuck. So, if you are not a metal listener,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: but you're aware of heavy metal just in general, you're
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: probably associated with satanic stuff. And again, yeah, in some
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: cases you're absolutely right, and not like Satanic in the
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Satanic temple or Satanism, like Satan the folkloric mythological evil one,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: like some bands are super super into that, right, But
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: there's also a lot of other stuff. Remember we talked
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: about iron mat and having all these different themes to
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: their songs. One of the things that metal is not
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: necessarily known for, but it's a big part of it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: They have like pretty strong social views, and if you
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: really kind of drill down into them, it's essentially super populist,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: anti establishment, anti fascism, anti authoritarium messages. Frequently anti aggression too,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: especially the government on the government's half, the government being aggressive.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: You can find that throughout the entire metal community, and
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people kind of overlook it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean cast aside the black metal scene, which
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: can there, like you mentioned in I guess it was
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: part one, where there's a lot of white supremacist threads
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: and things like that and far right ideology. If you
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: cast that aside, cast a side eighties hair metal, which
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: just saying about chicks, one might make the argument that
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: heavy metal is a very sort of low key leftist
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: musical genre.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like okay, So take Metallica for example, starting with
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Ride the Lightning, the title songs back from nineteen eighty four,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: it's it's basically about like how the it questions the
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: government's state monopoly on violence, right, like their moral right
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: to execute anybody. That's pretty anti authoritarian. It's also pretty
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: libertarian throughout, So if this, if the lyrics aren't left
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: leaning in general, they also tend to be libertarian too,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: and their whole album and Justice for All, song after
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: song after song has a huge robust political message to it,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: basically across the entire album.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. The song one Is is an anti
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: war song, and Justice for All is about the corruption
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: of the justice system. I the Beholder, that's about the
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: repression of freedom of speech and expression.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: What else The shortest straws about fascism, which went writing
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: through Blackened is a straight up overt environmentalist song.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know they literally talk about like poisoning
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: mother nature.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you find this like it's not just Metallica.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: You find this throughout throughout the metal community. Like, even
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: if it's not like clear immediately if you actually stop
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: and listen to the subtext of what the song is saying.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: It's usually about the powerful and the elite being served
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: at the expense of the masses. The populist masses. That
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: is essentially what you can boil almost every song again,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: saving black metal and death metal too down into like
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that's the message of just about every metal song at
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: its heart, at least yeh one song on the album
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: It's going to be like that.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even old Dave mustay in with Megadeth. I mean,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: peace sells, but who's buying. Yeah, he's he's singing about peace,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: just like the hippies and the sixties might have been,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: just through a very different, you know, sort of genre.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and some people actually credit him for promoting metal
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: music to have messages. He was taking a shot clearly
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: at hair bands too at the same time, but there
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: was an interview with him in the La Times in
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six where he said a band should be
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: aware of what's going on instead of being so wrapped
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: up in themselves. C. C.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Deville, that's apparely ironic.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty misname, yeah for sure.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And then you know you have cases where like Pantera's
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: former frontman Phil and Selmo was caught on video shouting
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: white power on stage and giving a Nazi salute, and
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: like the metal community was outraged, Like people came out,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: you know, speaking out against them, not the least of
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: which was Scottian of Anthrax saying like, you know, that's
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: a vile thing to do, and they were, you know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it was heartening to see that kind of thing, you know.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean it was about as close
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: to being canceled as you can get in the metal community,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: which isn't really a cancel culture, you.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Know, is that not a thing?
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: No? And then it actually goes all the way to
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: the far left, and this is much less typical. But
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: you have like grindcore bands like Napalm Death that came
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: out of the hardcore punk tradition of being very socially left,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: even into like the anarchist territory essentially. But for the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: most part it's probably center left, maybe libertarian. Is the
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: bulk of the messages that you'll find in metal music.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Can we talk about how your brain does on heavy metal?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Because they've actually done some studies that found and of course,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you know, we should say there's there are people that
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: struggle with mental health where music and certainly metal has
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: had some negative impacts. Yeah, and there are examples of that.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: But you know, aside from that, it seems like metal
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: actually like kind of tests and taxes your brain in
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a good way. Maybe taxes in the right way. It
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: challenges your brain in a good way, yes, because it
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: immediately starts firing to start making sense of this sort
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: of musical puzzle and all these complex rhythms and time
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: signatures that kind of go hand in hand.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so your brain basically is being worked out,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: like it's not just just sitting there like being vibed at,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Like it's working trying to decode all this stuff. And
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: yet paradoxically, for a lot of people, they report that
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: it actually helps improve their focus. I think people with
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: ADHD and people on the autism spectrum tend to report
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: that heavy metal actually helps them focus better, which is
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: pretty pretty interesting because if your brain's decoding that, you
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: would think that it would be focused on that, but
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: it's not. It's doing it can do that separately, apparently.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: And then also emotionally it seems to have positive effects too.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean there are so many, you know,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands or millions of heavy metal fans that
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: maybe desponded or angry or frustrated or sad or something,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and this music provides a real outlet you know whether
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: they're just in their room on their headphones or they're
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: driving around in their car through their you know, weird
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: suburbia that they don't relate to, or where they're going
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to a concert, and it provides a real legitimate release
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: for that stuff.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not just like anecdotal. There have actually
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: been studies that have been published in peer review journals
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: that show that there are positive emotional effects that are
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: experienced by metal heads from listening to metal music. There's
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: one from twenty thirteen that studied four hundred and fourteen
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: British metal heads and they found a mixed bag. Right.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: They found that they had a higher openness to experience,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: which is one of the big five personality traits generally
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: considered positive. They have more negative attitudes toward authority. I
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: can't really disagree with that if you are questioning the
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: authority of a corrupt government.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, for sure.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Lower self esteem. Didn't quite understand that that might just
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: be that metal music attracts people with lower self esteem.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think it gives people lower self esteem.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the case.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Greater need for uniqueness, love it, and then lower religiosity religiosity.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: That's not very surprising either. You know. I was like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: are they playing them? Like, are they confused? And they
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: think Van Halen's metal and that's what they're playing, like
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty four album. But it turns out like
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: they're playing like legit metal stuff, like they played As
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I Lay Dying, Cradle of Faith Overkill, like actual metal,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: and they were still getting these results, which I found heartening.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. There was another study I thought was
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: pretty interesting from twenty nineteen. It was thirty two fans
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: of metal, forty four non fans of metal, and they
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: found and this one's important because I think, especially in
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the eighties with the PM rec there was a lot
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: of just gobbedygook going around that like it's going to
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: make your child something, it's going to make them into this,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: it's going to make them violent. And in that study
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, they found that metal heads have the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: same negative bias toward seeing violent imagery that people who
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: don't listen to metal have. Even if they're listening to
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: metal that has violent lyrics and themes, it doesn't then
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: transfer like if they see an image of violence, they're
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: still like, oh, I don't want to see that.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Right exactly. I don't actually want to do that.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Right, I just want to yeah exactly, it's just rocks.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. It just keeps going on and on. I
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: think the point of these studies, especially if you compile
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: them together like weed, it is that there's this such
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: a dumb misunderstanding or or yeah, wrong interpretation of what
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: metal is and what it does. Again, accepting black metal,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: they're definitely the outliers here.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So we talked a little
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: bit about the genres and subgenres, but we'll dig in
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: a little more here because it gets really confusing and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know many of these bands at all, but
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I feel like we should just mention a few of
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: these subgenres, right.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Do you want to? You want to go through this
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: kind of anatomy of just a single subgenre.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I mean I feel like, I mean, we're all those
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: under math corps.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, this is where mathcore came from.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, So mathcore is a type of metal music, very
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: very very niche subgenre, and it's so niche that the
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: bands of this subgenre have names like the Tony Danza
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: tap Dance Experience, where the Dillinger, Escape Plan, Okay, super
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: niche and mathcore is a combination of metalcore and mathrock.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: And I know you know what mathrock is, right, Yeah.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I used to listen to a little bit of that
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: in college. That is rock music that's very complex musically,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of weird time signatures, a lot of starts
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and stops. If you've heard mathrock, and you may have
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: heard it and not known it was mathrock, but you
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: just thought, like, like, what an interesting odd band.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: So you've got mathrock mathrock, you said, with its interesting
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: time signatures and very technical playing that evolved from prog
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: rock like Rush, Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, from the seventies, right, yeah,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: and then mathrock was also influenced by jazz. That's just mathrock.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: That's one part that mathcore is made up of. On
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: the other side, you've got metalcore, the other half of
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: math core. It's a combination of hardcore and extreme metal.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: You might say, oh, okay, hardcore punk, no wrong. Hardcore
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: is different if you're a purist, Yeah, from hardcore punk
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: hardcore is like bands like Code Orange Vein. Hardcore punk
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: is minor Threat, black Flag, They're very close to really
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: they sound similar, but they're they're different subgenres. So metal
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: core is hardcore and extreme metal, which is a big
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: umbrella term for a bunch of other types of metal.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Too, Okay, and extreme metal is also under mathcore.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, so extreme metal is one of the bases, or
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: is the basis of metal core. And there's different types
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: of subgenres in extreme metal. You've got death metal, black metal,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: progressive metal kind of like prog rock but metal, doom metal,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: stoner metal. These are all varieties of extreme metal. And
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: so all of those can have their own core right,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: their own version of metal core. And so probably progressive
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: extreme metal with hardcore, that version of metal core probably
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: eventually led to metal core. This is how divided in
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: and cut up the genre of heavy metal is. That's
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: how niche it's gotten into. And again some people will
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: come along and be like this sounds just like progressive
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: metal to me, be like, no, it's mathcore, get it right,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: you know, that's essentially like I just find it fascinating
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: that people have gotten that, Yeah, yeah, that into the weeds.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: And I've seen in a couple of places, probably on
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Redded or something, where people are like, this is ridiculous.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Let's just take a big step back and get out
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: of this mindset because it's getting kind of weird.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, there are definitely some genres that have subgenres,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: but I don't think there's anything that approaches metal even like,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know, even hip hop has a lot of subgenres,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: but I don't think it comes close to metal even.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think anything does. I mean, you
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: can basically take anything and give it several subgenre title
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: suffixes or prefixes, and you probably have an actual like
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: metal subgenre.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I just found that interesting. I appreciate you taking that
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: little diversion with me.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I love it. All right, we'll take another break here
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and come back and finish up the part two of
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the two part duology, and we're gonna talk about album
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: covers and the death of Randy Rhoades right after this
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: all right promised talk of album covers. Want to give
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: a big, big shout out to a guy named Blake
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Massey who wrote a really great article on the metalpit
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: dot org, and also shout out Cherry Thomas from the
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Aquarian because Blake wrote a really really great piece on
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: heavy metal album art and you know, basically kind of
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: pointing out and making the case that that's where it
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: all starts. Is like being in the record store seeing
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: this imagery Black Sabbath kind of starting at all with
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: just dark imagery, very provocative stuff. A lot of times,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes they would hire out just a company,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: but I feel like, especially with metal, many times the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: band is very closely involved in the vision for the
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: album cover, because I mean, album comes are always important,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: but it feels like metal they're even more important.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just part of the experience, you know. Yeah,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: like you buy the poster even if you're like me
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: and you're into Iron Maiden's poster art not really their music.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Yet, Yeah, because it's legit, amazing art. I mentioned in
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Part one. I think about the Black Sabbath self titled
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: debut album in nineteen seventy one of the most terrifying
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: album covers I've ever seen. It's just a it's a photograph.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: It's got this cloaked figure. It looks like a woman
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: state in front of this old like you know, torn
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: down or not torn down, but just sort of dilapidated building.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: And this was in nineteen seventy when like psychedelia and
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: colorful album art was a thing, and it was just
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: very very creepy looking.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it also said hey, everybody, like we're going
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: in a different direction here, check this out. Like I
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: can't imagine what that landed like, it must have just
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: looked so different. Like think about led Zeppelin's album covers.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: The grimmest one they had was the Hindenburg explosion in
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: black and white. Yeah, you know, like that was as
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: grim as their album covers got. Like this is this
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: is spooky, Like it's definitely different. I just think that's
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: really cool, like to think back of just how some
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: people must have seen this and been like I'm reborn.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And you know, there's a range
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: like everything that you can look at something like the
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: cover of Number of the Beasts. We already talked about
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the great Derek Riggs and Eddie their mascot, but if
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: you look at their album covers Iron Maidens especially, they're
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: just they're so intricate and there's so much to see
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: when you sit down on your floor with your headphones
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: on as a teenager. But they can also be a
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: little more simplistic, like if you look at the great
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: cover for Metallica's Master of Puppets from nineteen eighty six.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: You know, a little can say a lot. It's just there.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: First of all, you gotta have a great logo, and
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Metallica's logo is always great. It is, as is Iron
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Maiden's Judas Priests has always had a great logo. But
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: it's that Metallica logo and then that that cemetery with
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: those crosses connected to the puppet strings. It's just like
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: kind of chilling to see. So shout out to Metallica
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and Peter Minch who designed that one.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: And we talked about while I talked about Rain and
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Blood earlier, and its album cover is actually it's art
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: like it's it's very clearly like a painting. I can't
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: remember who did it. I'm not actually sure, oh Larry Carroll.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: And it's basically hell. It's just a landscape of hell.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: There's also the foreground in the laughter. There's some heads
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: floating in a lake of blood. There's a goat on
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: a thrown residing over this horrible place. The Pope is
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: wandering around wondering what the hell's going on. But it
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: has its own style even it's not like like if
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: you look at Holy Diver, the Dio album cover. It's
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: almost like it's cartoon realism. Almost this is this is art.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: It's like a style of a painter that the rain
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: and Blood cover is, which makes it even more unsettling,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Yeah, that Holy Diver cover is great.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: You know, Dio has an amazing logo and they also
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: have a mascot named Murray.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Did you know that?
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I guess now that I think of some
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Dea artwork, I realized that I've seen that mask person.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I did not know that his name was murdered.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't either. He reminds me of the Black Spy
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: from Spy versus Spot. He's just not wearing the hat.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's I never really thought about that.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't him there until I saw him. Yeah.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Just go check out the Holy Diver cover. It's great
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: because Murray is kind of standing up, you know, behind
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: a mountain, whipping a chain that's wrapped around a priest
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: who is in the ocean with the waves lapping, and he's,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: you know, clearly struggling to stay alive and deal.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: By the way he took over for after Ozzie left
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Black Sabbath. He I think it was him immediately after Ozzie, Right, yeah,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: it was, but he was also in another band with
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: an album cover that we talked about before. Rainbow. Their
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: album cover for Rising is one of my favorite, not
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: even just metal album covers, just album cover in general.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: It's got a very pretty rainbow on it.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: It is very pretty guns n' roses we should talk about.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, so, I don't really throw them in in
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the metal crowd, but I think maybe early on they
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: might have been thrown in that group of hair metal.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: But you know, very famously, their original Appetite for Destruction
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: artwork was very controversial for obvious reasons. You know, trigger
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: warning here because it's drawn, you know, like a cartoon,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: but it depicts a sexual assault that's happened from a robot,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: and people were like, we can't put this on our shelves.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Record stores were saying that. So Geffen Records was like, yeah,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: maybe we are going a little too far here. They
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: put that on the inside cover sleeve and then ended
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: up with an iconic cover as a result that Again
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: it's drawn like a animated sort of drawing, but it's
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: that Celtic cross with each band member's head at various
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: points on the cross and again another great logo it is?
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: It turned out pretty good. I heard Geffen's first idea
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: was to put a nice Price sticker over the offensive painting.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Is that a joke?
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: It is?
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Okay? I mean it wouldn't surprise me.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Remember those stickers, the nice Price.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: That's right. I do want to mention the one more though,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: before we get to Randy Rhod's Quiet Riot, because they
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: were the very first metal band to hit number one
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: on the charts.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: With which one Metal Health or Come On Feel the
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Noise or both?
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Well? Metal Health that was the album Come On Feel
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the Noise was on that album.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they also released the song metal Health as
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: a single.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Right, that was also on that album?
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Right? So which one reached number one first? Or do
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: you mean their whole album reached number one?
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I got it finally everywhere you can stop screaming at
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: your speakers.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They they're the first metal band to have a
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: number one record. Metal Health came out and kind of
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: changed the game, and it featured the man in the
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Iron mask very famously. It's a pretty cool album cover
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and that guy was in the videos as well.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I've always wanted to play that album during seeding for
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: one of our shows. But those two songs are really
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: the only good ones on there. The rest are just slimy. Yeah,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: so I've always skipped it. But yeah, metal Health is
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: a great song, which is ironic. It's bang your head
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: metal Health with Dragon Mad. I think he says it
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: just like that. It's funny. It's a very slow song,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: so I mean you can bang your head to it,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: but you do it very slowly.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: So Chuck, you you had said you specifically wanted to
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: end this on a huge downer, and I think you've
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: really knocked it out of the park with your choice
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: to talk about Randy Rhodes and his untimely death at
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: age twenty five.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think we both had our kind
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: of big things we wanted in here. Yours was iron
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: maiden of mine was the death of Randy Rhodes because
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: it was one of the saddest things to happen to music.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: A big shout out to Rex Thompson, he wrote a
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: great piece on it for Live for Live music dot Com.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: But Randy Rhodes was a great kid. He was a
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: very soft spoken guy, a virtuoso from the jump as
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: a teenager, and so much so that when apparently when
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: he was a kid practicing so much, his mom like
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: called a doctor when it was like can this hurt
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: my son's fingies? Like could this cause permanent damage to
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: his little fingies.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I've read also that she was a piano player, so
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: she must have been he must have really been playing. Yeah,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: So he formed Quite Right. I had no idea about this.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: My only understanding quite Right was from Metal Health onward. Well,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: all right, let's just be honest. It was Metal Health,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: that's it, right, So he formed Quiet Riot back in
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three. I had no idea that Randy Rhodes
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: was in Quite Right, or that Quite Right had been
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: around ten full years before Metal Health came out.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: He was a child basically, and same you know, Kevin
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Duburrow is a singer and everything. But they signed to
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: CBS Records. The band was kind of taking a different
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: direction than he thought, like, I'm better than what we're doing,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: and he was right, and he left the band, was
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: pretty frustrated, and he got a call that Ozzy Osbourne
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: had left Sabbath and was forming a new band. And
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: as the story goes, he auditioned for a very hungover
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne and was warming up with some scales and
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Ozzy was like, you got the job, all right? Pretty great?
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was it. So he became, i mean
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: just an absolute legend thanks to his stint with Ozzie. Right,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: was Ozzy fantist Ozzy Osbourne?
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like Ozzy Osbourne.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Ozzy Osbourne and the dow Wops or the five Dimes
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: or something like that.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: No, it was just him. And you know, the saddest
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: part about all this is that he was he really
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: awoke something in Ozzie and became very very good friends
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: with he and his wife. I guess they weren't even
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: married at the time, but his eventual wife Sharon, who
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I saw at a restaurant in la last year, by
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the way, but he lived with them when he was
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: in England and was part of the family. Basically a
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: very playful, spirited, really nice kid and just absolute just
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: slayer on the guitar until a very very sad day
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is terribly sad. It was so unnecessary. Randy Rose. Yeah,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: and again like this guy's finally starting to hit the
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: stride that he has known he could get to his
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: whole life.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: He was he was crazy trained. You know everyone's heard
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: crazy Train, that's Randy Road.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So and he was also, like you said, he
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: was a good guy. Like people just loved him, right,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: So he was twenty five at the time. It was
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: the day after a show in Knoxville, Tennessee. The tour
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: bus had made it out of Tennessee through Georgia safely
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: into Florida, and they stopped in a town called Leesburg, Florida,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: to repair their bus, which makes sense because Leesburg, Florida
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: is well known as the bus repair capital of Florida.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: And so they decided to take the whole day off
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the day they were going to spend the night in Leesburg.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: So they were just messing around that day. And again,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: they had a show the night before, and everybody was
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: either hungover or still messed up from the night before. Apparently,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Randy Rhads and Ozzie It had an argument backstage at
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: the Knoxville show because Randy Rhodes was concerned about Ozzie's
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: behaviors drinking. He was like, you're going to die young,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: You're going to kill yourself if you keep this up.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Ozzy didn't like that, so he stormed off and they
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: hadn't made up yet because Ozzie was still sleeping even
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: and Randy was now awake and people were messing around
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: in Leesburg.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was sleeping on the bus. So the bus driver,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: he was a former commercial pilot. His name was Andrew Aycock,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: and there was a Beachcraft Bonanza propeller plane in nineteen
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: fifty seven Beachcraft on the property, and he was like, hey,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I can fly that thing. Let's take it first. Ben
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the plane was unguarded and so he and initially keyboardist
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Don Airy and tour manager Jake Duncan got on board,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: flew around a little bit and landed safely. And then
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: after that he was like, hey, anyone, anyone else want
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: to take a ride? Young spirited, awesome. Randy Roads is like, yeah, man,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I'll go up there. That looks like a blast, and
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: then the seamstress for the band, Rachel Youngblood, also boarded
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the plane, and while they were up there, Randy Rhoads
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: is like, hey, Ozzie's you know, sleeping off another hangover.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Let's like buzz the bus and see if we can
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: wake him up.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: So they did, right, they did four times and each
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: time a Cock Andrey Acock was like, I can get close,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: we can do it faster, and they managed to do
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: it three different times. On the fourth time, their luck
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: ran out, and I guess his wing clipped the bus.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't take much pressure to send a plane
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: going one hundred and fifty miles an hour careening, spinning
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: out of control, and that's exactly what happened. The plane
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: struck the ground and slid or hit a tree, and
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Randy Rhodes and Rachel Youngblood were ejected, probably dead immediately
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: from the plane. I believe Andrew Aycock was left in
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: the plane. It exploded into flames, but not before it
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: had cruised into and taken a stop in some Poorschmoe's garage.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ozzie slept through the plane, hitting the bus that
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: he was on. Somehow that explosion woke him up, and
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: apparently emergency services weren't quick quick to get there, but
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that everyone died immediately. The autopsy showed
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: that Acock had still had cocaine in the system, and
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Ozzie was like, yeah, he testified that he was using
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: coke like well into the night.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: He was he was the bus driver.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, well into the night. This was
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: the next morning, and his pilot pilot's license had expired
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: a long time ago, and you know, that was it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: We don't have any like black box recording or anything.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: It was just a huge loss to the music world
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: and a huge, huge loss to the Osbourne family who
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: loved him so much. And Ozzie was already in bad
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: shape and this was the beginning of a very very
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: bad dark time for him.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, since that the Randy Roads death sent
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: him spiraling down that path that Randy Rhoades had argued
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: with him about getting off of in the first place, because,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: like you said, they formed some sort of bond that
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: just didn't last very long and just broke Ozzy's heart.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: I guess yeah, super super sad.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: It is sad, and I've been thinking, Okay, how can
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: we end this on a slightly higher note? And I've
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: got it, Chuck Kawhi metal. Do you know what kawaii
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: means in Japanese?
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: No?
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Cute, right, so okay, cute kawai metal means cute metal.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: It's Japanese metal. It combines jpop right with metal, and
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: it actually kind of works, so if you're curious about
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: jpop metal or kawahi metal, look up the band's Baby
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Metal and Lady Baby, and that'll be a pretty good
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: start down your journey into the jpop metal realm.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: All right, And I want to quickly I know I
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: promised in part one the Rolling Stone top ten metal
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: albums of all Time, so I don't want to leave
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: that off, and I'll just quickly go through from ten
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: to one. We've got Pantera with vulgar display of power,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Ozzy's Blizzard of Oz at nine, Megadeth p Cells but
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: who's buying it? Eight, Motorheads, No Remorse at seven, Slayers
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Rain and Blood at six, Sabbath self titled Black Sabbath
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: at number five, A Number of the Beasts from Iron
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Maiden at number four, Judas Priest, British Steel Record at
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: number three, Master of Puppets at number two from Metallica,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: and number one with a Bullet Paranoid from Black Sabbath.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: And I know what you're thinking, where else is Iron Maiden?
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: They were also at thirteen besides number four with their
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: debut record.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, I dispute a lot of that, but let's just
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: not get into it, Okay.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: It's a rolling Stone list, you know how let's go
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: they really I.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Think they're just trolls essentially.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Probably, Well I think that's it everybody. That's everything we
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: have to say about. Have you medal right now? And again,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: sorry we did not name check your favorite band. If
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: you want to tell us to get into something, email us.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: We love that kind of thing. We hope you enjoyed this.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: We did the best we could. Thanks again to Olivia
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: for taking this journey with us. And since I said that,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: of course it's time for listener mail.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: You know what, I'm going to call an audible here,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: not going to do a listener mail. Instead, I want
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: to shout out a book writer. Been meaning to do
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: this for a while, and it kind of fits because
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: I know that the author, Keith Rossen, is into some
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: heavy music. I don't know if it's metal or what.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I just know he's into some pretty hardcore music. I
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: took a flyer on a book with a cool cover
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: a long time ago. Finally took it on vacation. It's
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: a duology called fever House and the second book is
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: called The Devil by name great great horror books. I've
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: never read horror in my life. There's a thread of
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: humanity and the characters in the heart of his stories
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: are incredible. And then you've also got good horror stuff. Yeah,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: so recommend fever House and The Devil by Name from Keith,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: and then his upcoming book. I had shouted him out
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: on Instagram. He got in touch, so we're kind of
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Instagram messaging now, and his book publisher sent me a
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: galley of his new book out this fall. It's called
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Coffin Moon. This one's about vampires and it is great,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: and so sign up for the pre sale. It's just
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to read what he does next. And
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Keith is like a super cool guy. So fever House
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: to double my name in the upcoming Hoffin Moon, which
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: that one's about vampires, Like I said, it's six like
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Keith Keith Rossen rosso Win.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, since you said that, I've been trying to figure
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: out how to shout out two horror movies that I've
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: seen recently that are like, oh great, these are the
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: best I've seen in a really long time. Once Japanese,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: it's got subtitles. It's called Best Wishes Ringo. No, that's
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: a good one. Though. This is called Best Wishes to All.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: It's it's a hundred times more off the chain than Ringo.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: It's not as scary as The Grudge or the Japanese
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: version of the Grudge. It's it's just nuts. It's really
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: good though. Another one is one of the darkest horror
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: movies I've ever seen.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: It.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: It's centers on snuff films. It's called Red Rooms. They
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: do such a good job that they don't even actually
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: show any of the videos in question, and it's more
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: about this woman's descent into madness, you know, being into
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. It's just an amazing, amazing movie.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: It's not for everybody, but it's if it is for you,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: you will love this movie. And I think if you
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: can just get past the weirdness and enjoy it, I
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: think and just about anybody could could enjoy. Best Wishes
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: to All. I love it.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I enjoy when we throw out these recommendations.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: That's great, okay, Chuck, that was great. That was a
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: great end to the Metal episodes too. I think, good job.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those were fun. I feel like we could have
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: done a part three, four five, I think so to
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: you to.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Be honest, for sure, Yeah, if you want to get
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: in touch with us about heavy metal or anything. You
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: can send it via email, send it off to stuff
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.
• 51:47
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