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My Favorite Murder Documentary · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  The other day at work, I was having SpaghettiOs for lunch and it brought me down a huge rabbit
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  hole of death row meals.
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  And I remember a criminal.
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  Not SpaghettiOs, I hope.
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  No, yeah, someone's death row meal had SpaghettiOs in them and it was Thomas Joseph Grassow.
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  He had a bunch of other stuff, but I remember SpaghettiOs with meatballs was definitely
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  in his death row.
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  I'm not going to list the rest of it.
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  If you want to go ahead and search his name and see everything else that he ate, you
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  can. But SpaghettiOs and meatballs was on his death row meal.
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  So just have me thinking, what would be your guys' death row meal if you had to choose?
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  Oh, God.
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  Okay, SpaghettiOs slept, but they wouldn't be in there.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay, she was no straight Chef Boyardee instead.
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  Oh my gosh, before he's so good, like little rabbit-o-ly's, oh my God.
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  The can.
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  A commercial rolling down the road.
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  Absolutely.
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  And you don't even have to heat that up.
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  You can just eat that shit straight out the can.
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  It's good at room temperature.
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  Okay, so death row, and we're thinking like whatever we want, your guys are living.
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  You're slurping.
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  Okay.
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  I want an appetizer of really good creamy lobster bisque.
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  I want big chunks of lobster in there.
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  I want it to just be decadent and with like a little piece of bread on the side that I
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  can like dunk in, like bread and soup.
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  Okay, that's just the appetizer though.
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  And then the actual meal, I want just the most calorie packed, fucking cheesy enchiladas.
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  And like some really good rice and beans.
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  Fresh tortilla is made by like someone's Nana in the back.
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  Like I want it to be good.
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  And then dessert.
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  Oh, dessert.
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  Maybe like one of those lava cakes at Applebees because I always low-key really want one,
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  but there's like 10,000 calories in it.
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  And I'm always feeling like I should eat that.
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  But I'm going to die.
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  Give me that lava cake.
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  And no, you can't have a bite.
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  And I'm going to wash it all down with a couple pickle beers.
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  A couple of beers.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, and a nice bloody, nice bloody Mary.
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  Long time listen, I'll know.
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  Sean, I love your bloody Mary's.
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  That meal makes no sense.
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  It's super enchiladas bloody Mary's.
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  Applebees, but you know what I'm going to die.
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  I don't care.
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  It's going to be good.
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  That sounds like something I want to order when I'm the most violently hungover I have ever
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  been in my entire life.
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  Like that exact order.
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  It's like I need all of these things.
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  And then like small quantities.
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  And then I'll take a nap and then I'll go at it again.
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  I don't know how long they let you keep the food.
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  But if you could work in a nap, then it goes back for it.
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  Yeah.
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  Can I take a little nap?
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  Not before I die because I just need to like digest this stuff a little bit.
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  Otherwise, I'm going to get a tummy ache and that's like I'm going to be comfort anybody.
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  Remember, like years ago I went to Vegas with my girlfriends.
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  And Jessica, who I mentioned on the show all the time, was like, I really want spaghetti,
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  but I also really want mashed potatoes.
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  Um, so the server brought her spaghetti and mashed potatoes.
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  And it was incredible.
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  And since then I've been like, you know what?
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  Screw it.
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  And I'm like, I'm going to get a little nap.
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  It's actually kind of funny.
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  It's David Edwin Mason.
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  He murdered four people.
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  We don't feel bad for him.
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  We don't feel bad for him.
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  We don't feel bad for him.
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  We don't feel bad for him.
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• 10:06
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• 10:13
  Yes we do.
• 10:29
  Welcome to the pop culture junkie podcast.
• 10:52
  I'm Nicole here with my fellow junkies.
• 10:55
  Olivia.
• 10:56
  And Shana.
• 10:59
  How are you both doing today?
• 11:01
  Fans, have you list?
• 11:03
  I am on vacation as a five o'clock out of offices on truly canned, open,
• 11:10
  pants, non-existent.
• 11:12
  It's great, it's great time to be alive.
• 11:15
  How about you guys?
• 11:17
  I'm doing well, I'll do very well.
• 11:19
  I had a fun weekend hanging around with Nicole.
• 11:22
  And you know, we kicked Shana out, we said you can't sit with us.
• 11:27
  No, it was cruel.
• 11:30
  It was cruel, I was unusual.
• 11:32
  It was a good time.
• 11:34
  I can't remember the last time we recorded, but a separate time, Shana and I got to go to a
• 11:39
  Barbie Brave, which was the most fun.
• 11:43
  So yeah, we've just been doing really fun things, really fun themed things.
• 11:49
  I love a good theme night, dude.
• 11:52
  Oh my God, that reminds me, I want to talk about Jonah Hill for a second.
• 11:58
  Oh, okay.
• 11:59
  Oh my God.
• 12:00
  So Jonah Hill's ex-girlfriend Sarah Brady released these text messages between the two of them recently.
• 12:06
  That just kind of breaks down what a controlling douche.
• 12:09
  She was in their relationship.
• 12:11
  She's a model and a surfer.
• 12:13
  And in his text messages, he's telling her that she has to delete every picture of herself
• 12:17
  wearing a bathing suit of her surfing, of her modeling, and that he doesn't want her spending time
• 12:23
  with like the women with, I don't know, from her wild recent past or something.
• 12:30
  And ladies and gentlemen, if anybody tries to like therapy talk you, like, I'm just setting my boundaries.
• 12:39
  Yeah, the unstable women from her wild recent past.
• 12:42
  No.
• 12:43
  No, those aren't boundaries. That's him being controlling and that's a narcissist and run away.
• 12:50
  It's crazy.
• 12:51
  One of my favorite comedians, Claire Parker, they do a podcast as well.
• 12:55
  But she's like been saying this since the like the last two years.
• 12:58
  She's like, we need to stop letting men go to therapy because they're not using it to get better.
• 13:04
  They're using it to get stronger.
• 13:06
  And like more manipulative.
• 13:08
  And I think it's so funny because the second all this drop, she like clipped to a piece of it and was like, I told her I love this.
• 13:16
  But it's something about this on her Instagram the other day.
• 13:20
  She's like, if you're going to therapy just so you can learn therapy buzzwords to weaponize them against other people,
• 13:27
  then you're not actually doing the work of going to therapy.
• 13:30
  You're just, I don't know, being a fake ally.
• 13:33
  Yeah, yeah. And if you're just going there to have someone like hear your side of the story and not like work through things or with a goal.
• 13:41
  Like, hey, hear the things that I'm like trying to actively improve.
• 13:44
  It can, it can feel like a sounding board.
• 13:47
  And I'm sure, you know, I mean therapists are people too, right?
• 13:51
  Like celebrities have this insane power over everyone.
• 13:55
  And so it's very interesting.
• 13:58
  It is interesting. So I don't know that shit. It's just been cracking me up for days.
• 14:03
  Shout out to all the wild and stable women from my recent past.
• 14:06
  Honestly, love you guys.
• 14:08
  Recent past being this last weekend when we all like took a million shots together.
• 14:14
  You guys are the real MVP is speaking of taking a million shots.
• 14:19
  Sean and I posted this review of drink 818 on our Instagram and the social media manager for 818 must have just been liking it in a, in a Tizzy before she actually like listen to the video.
• 14:35
  Because I say let's taste the cultural appropriation.
• 14:39
  I'm like, let's say this white bitch can make a good tequila and then Nicole sex.
• 14:43
  So she's like, 818 liked it. Wait, never mind. They unlike.
• 14:49
  So we are never getting a PR box ever.
• 14:54
  No, right.
• 14:56
  But I got blocked.
• 14:58
  It got lost in the mail. It has to be on its way.
• 15:01
  We we're going to try other ones. Hopefully our our man George Clooney doesn't do us as dirty.
• 15:07
  So I need some like actual like people from the Latinx community to like have some tequila to try.
• 15:15
  I don't want to try anymore.
• 15:17
  Like cultural preparation tequila.
• 15:20
  I was just swear every famous person needs either coming out with a alcoholic drink or an energy drink because now Kim Kardashian just came out with an energy drink.
• 15:31
  Oh my god. And Jake Paul I believe is getting like the Paul brothers. I'm not sure if it's Jake or I don't know the ones between the two of them either.
• 15:40
  They're getting slammed for how much energy is put into their drink.
• 15:43
  I think one energy drink. There's has the amount of caffeine of six coaks.
• 15:47
  Jesus Christ. Yeah. And they don't know. It's totally fine. And I'm like, that is not okay.
• 15:52
  It's not okay.
• 15:54
  Yeah. I'm like, either every celebrity either has alcohol or an energy drink. So I'm like, okay, well, I guess that's the new thing nowadays.
• 16:02
  Dude, let's do. Okay. So we're going to do the celebrity taste test thing. And I know we've talked about it before.
• 16:08
  And Olivia and I will try all the booze and Nicole, you can try all the energy drinks.
• 16:13
  I'm down for that.
• 16:15
  We have to do it like 11 a.m.
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  So I'm not bouncing off the walls like when I'm trying to go to sleep.
• 16:24
  The day before we all of us have to just chug water. We need to eat lots of vegetables and like chug water and just go into it is healthy and sober as we can.
• 16:33
  And then we have to record it obviously. So we're doing this for our fans.
• 16:39
  Order 20 pizzas the day of and just show pizzas in our mouth.
• 16:44
  Yeah, that later that day after we turn off the camera, we're going to carload absolutely. We're going to get some water and a.
• 16:51
  That's typically my go to.
• 16:53
  That's typically my go to. I felt like I was just like the pizza lady the Saturday.
• 16:57
  It was our friends birthday party and we were down at the pool and I've made burgers and stuff and then we ran out of that.
• 17:03
  And then I just like went upstairs made a pizza came down with it. Went upstairs made another pizza.
• 17:08
  Just kept giving out pizza everywhere. It's like, what am I doing right now?
• 17:12
  You made a burger and I haven't stopped thinking about it for days. It was just so cheesy and like I did put a lot of cheese on it though.
• 17:19
  It was really good.
• 17:21
  Yeah.
• 17:22
  Oh my god. And then I've been into just like cooking shows for the past two weeks too.
• 17:27
  Andrew and I are obsessed with next level chef. It's this like Gordon Ramsey show.
• 17:32
  And I'm usually a little if young Gordon Ramsey just because he's a little too mean.
• 17:37
  I don't know. If I watch a cooking show I want it to be like great British baking show where they're all just really nice to each other.
• 17:44
  And that looks delightful. Do you need some cream? You can use some of mine.
• 17:49
  And then Gordon Ramsey is just like, what the fuck is this? This looks like diarrhea.
• 17:55
  I would fry. I don't think I can handle myself around Gordon Ramsey.
• 18:00
  It enters like, yeah, I need some meanness. I need people to cry on television. So I watch next level chef.
• 18:07
  And he actually feels like he's toned down the meanness a little bit. He's definitely like, he feels like he's old.
• 18:14
  He's an old grandpa now.
• 18:17
  Yeah, but like still kind of daddy. I go back and forth a lot on whether or not he's fuckable.
• 18:23
  But also I feel like he'd scream at me the entire time but not in a good way.
• 18:26
  You call that a blow job. This is awful.
• 18:32
  I think I'm like, I think that's probably why I would do it.
• 18:36
  You're into a punishment thing. Tell me how bad it is.
• 18:41
  And that's why you go to therapy with the goal.
• 18:46
  Oh my gosh, speaking of hot ones, Nicole, I know you really like hot ones.
• 18:50
  His is probably one of my favorite ones. You call these fucking chicken wings. Can I sponsor your chicken wings next time?
• 18:59
  It was like a couple years ago and I was watching newer ones.
• 19:03
  And I think I think he actually did it because their chicken wings are much bigger now.
• 19:09
  Some of the chicken wings are really bad. They're like little dinky things. I'm like, that is not it.
• 19:14
  I need a chicken wing. I need that shit to be like, yeah.
• 19:18
  Like I want the juicy meat too. It's incredible.
• 19:22
  If it's incredibly hot sauce and then it's a dry ass piece of chicken, like what?
• 19:28
  No. No, if I'm going to eat the bomb, it needs to be on a juicy piece of chicken.
• 19:33
  Let's talk more about food.
• 19:37
  We need to get off the topic of food and how hungry we are.
• 19:45
  So we kind of been on the topic of murders, killers, true crime.
• 19:57
  I feel like today with our conversation.
• 20:01
  So what I want to continue with our conversation is murder or true crime in general.
• 20:07
  Murder.
• 20:09
  Murder.
• 20:11
  Murder most foul.
• 20:16
  Because you know, spooky season is upon us.
• 20:20
  I know the minute you want to use it over.
• 20:23
  Yes, I agree. The minute for the July is over, even before the July.
• 20:26
  I don't care.
• 20:27
  It's spooky season baby.
• 20:29
  The stores are putting out all of their Halloween decorations.
• 20:32
  You know, I am all about them.
• 20:34
  Me too.
• 20:36
  And my birthday is on October, Friday, the 13th this year.
• 20:39
  I'm just so excited.
• 20:42
  So that's my spooky era.
• 20:45
  So with that, let's go ahead and talk about our favorite murder documentary or documentary.
• 20:51
  We can have more than one if you want.
• 20:53
  But I just want to hear yours because I'm a true crime junkie.
• 20:57
  So tell me some that maybe I haven't watched yet that I can watch and for the viewers as well and just get into it.
• 21:04
  I love that.
• 21:06
  Okay.
• 21:09
  I am like one of those people who is just like really, really bad at a favorite.
• 21:12
  So I'm probably gonna end up saying like 15 million of this.
• 21:16
  But just gonna put that out there.
• 21:17
  Everyone's gonna be like, she said that was her favorite.
• 21:19
  They're all my favorite children.
• 21:22
  So I don't know if this person technically qualifies as a serial killer.
• 21:30
  But they have, I mean, I think three qualifies.
• 21:34
  We're gonna say three qualifies.
• 21:36
  But it is absolutely my favorite documentary, probably of HBO's.
• 21:42
  And it's called The Jinks.
• 21:44
  So I don't know if you guys have ever seen this.
• 21:46
  It is about Robert Durst.
• 21:48
  He's an American real estate air.
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  Think kind of like the Trump family, but more successful.
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  One of the biggest real estate owners in New York.
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  They own a lot of Manhattan.
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  And so they're incredibly successful.
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  And so Robert Durst is the first son of Seymour Durst.
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  And initially he was supposed to inherit the family business and all this stuff.
• 22:17
  And it ends up going to the, his younger brother.
• 22:23
  And so he's always just kind of in like the black sheep, this outcast.
• 22:27
  People have always kind of wondered why, like what's his story?
• 22:32
  Well, in like 1982, his wife goes missing and was last seen at their New York apartment high rise.
• 22:39
  Her whole family thinks that it is Robert Durst, right?
• 22:44
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:45
  And they never catch him for it.
• 22:47
  And then there's this movie that's created.
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  It's called All Good Things.
• 22:51
  It's by Andrew Jurekki.
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  It has Ryan Gosling and Kirsten Dunst.
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  And it's about the story of his wife going missing.
• 22:59
  And Kirsten Dunst is his wife and then Ryan Gosling is playing Robert Durst, right?
• 23:04
  I said this movie, right?
• 23:06
  And so it's really, really good.
• 23:08
  It's an amazing movie.
• 23:10
  But what's crazier is so after this movie comes out, Robert Durst contacts the director, Andrew Jurekki.
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  And says, I've been asked to do a million interviews.
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  I've said no to all of them.
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  You're the only person who understands Robert Durst.
• 23:29
  And I want you to make a documentary about me.
• 23:32
  And so if you've seen the movie All Good Things, you know that he is tried for killing a man in Galveston as well.
• 23:40
  He was pretending to be a woman, a mute woman in her 80s.
• 23:45
  Let's get to see.
• 23:46
  Doesn't he dress up like a woman at some point in that movie?
• 23:49
  Yes.
• 23:50
  And it's a freaking crazy story.
• 23:52
  But he gets off for murder because it's Texas and he gets self-defense.
• 23:56
  But he does get a proper disposal of a body.
• 24:00
  But because he had spent so much time in jail, they let him go or whatever.
• 24:04
  So he really just kind of like gets out of jail.
• 24:06
  So he starts freaking making this documentary.
• 24:10
  And I don't want to ruin the end of it.
• 24:12
  But he's now in jail because of the stocky battery.
• 24:16
  Because of the documentary.
• 24:18
  Dang dude.
• 24:20
  It's like one of the craziest stories in the world.
• 24:23
  Yeah.
• 24:24
  Yeah.
• 24:25
  So he thinks that his mic is off.
• 24:28
  And it's not.
• 24:29
  And so they use it to convict him.
• 24:32
  And he like kid vases.
• 24:34
  Yeah.
• 24:35
  Dang.
• 24:36
  Okay.
• 24:37
  I need to watch this.
• 24:38
  It's literally the one of the best tree crime documentaries ever.
• 24:41
  And you know, talk a lot about like ethical, old, true crime.
• 24:45
  And like I think it's such a nuanced conversation.
• 24:50
  But one is that you don't really do get justice for.
• 24:54
  There's a bunch of other people that were also killed.
• 24:57
  Or one of the person who was killed was processed.
• 24:59
  And it's like, that's how you actually get justice for a lot of these people.
• 25:04
  I agree.
• 25:05
  Unfortunately, it gets done well.
• 25:06
  If it's done.
• 25:07
  That's why I like unsolved mysteries a lot.
• 25:10
  Because the amount of like murders and crimes that they have solved just by people watching it.
• 25:17
  And then calling in, it's incredible.
• 25:20
  And it's entertainment.
• 25:21
  So we watch it for the dramatizations and to all kind of speculate.
• 25:25
  But there's somebody out there who somebody knows something.
• 25:29
  I think that's another true crime podcast.
• 25:31
  That's called somebody knows something.
• 25:33
  And they just, you know, there's somebody out there.
• 25:35
  And they can call in and I like it when the entertainment can come to a conclusion.
• 25:39
  That's nice.
• 25:40
  Hell yeah.
• 25:41
  What about you Nicole?
• 25:42
  One of my favorites is the Chris Watts.
• 25:47
  Confessions of a killer.
• 25:49
  Oh, yeah.
• 25:50
  And I believe it was on lifetime.
• 25:54
  The one I saw.
• 25:55
  I know there's like multiple different ones.
• 25:58
  You can stream that one on Netflix now.
• 26:02
  Okay.
• 26:03
  Cool.
• 26:04
  This one is just, it breaks your heartstrings.
• 26:07
  It is so sad.
• 26:08
  If you don't know the story of Chris Watts, he killed his wife, two daughters, an unborn son,
• 26:16
  his wife, who's pregnant with their son.
• 26:18
  And I believe she and who is his wife was considered missing by her best friend Nicole.
• 26:26
  And Nicole went over to the house and Chris was home and everything.
• 26:31
  And she and was not there.
• 26:33
  And the daughters weren't there.
• 26:36
  And she found a suspicious.
• 26:37
  So she called the cops and was like, hey, she and not home, but her cars here.
• 26:42
  So there's just something not right.
• 26:44
  She's normal home.
• 26:45
  So the cops came.
• 26:46
  The cops investigated the house.
• 26:47
  They found her phone in between the couch cushions.
• 26:50
  They found her purse at home.
• 26:53
  They later found that Chris was telling lies at the house.
• 26:57
  Like he was cooperating with police and then he wasn't cooperating with the police.
• 27:00
  Yeah.
• 27:01
  They later found out that he ended up murdering them.
• 27:04
  And the way he killed them is absolutely insane.
• 27:08
  I know he worked out like a factory kind of thing.
• 27:11
  I don't know what it was actually called, but it was a construction site.
• 27:15
  Yeah.
• 27:16
  There's these little poles, like literally the size of my hands making a circle.
• 27:21
  Listeners, if you obviously can't see me right now, but if you just put your hands together and make a circle,
• 27:27
  that's probably the size of what I'm talking about.
• 27:30
  He literally put his kids' bodies in that big of a circle and just squeeze their bodies down this small to kill them.
• 27:37
  I believe they were dead at the time.
• 27:39
  I'm not too sure on that.
• 27:40
  Oh my God.
• 27:42
  He squeezed their dead bodies in a small tube like that.
• 27:46
  And they were gone.
• 27:47
  And I literally just got you all saying that.
• 27:50
  Yeah.
• 27:51
  So did I.
• 27:52
  That's disgusting.
• 27:53
  She was having, they were having a real problem.
• 27:56
  She knew that he was cheating, but didn't really know 100% sure.
• 27:59
  He was cheating on her with a girl named Nicole, which ironically was her best friend.
• 28:03
  That's gonna say it wasn't the best friend.
• 28:05
  It was a woman named Nicole Kessinger who works with them at the same site.
• 28:12
  Big fat alleged here, allegedly, allegedly.
• 28:16
  So she is very interesting.
• 28:19
  The documentary doesn't really go into her involvement, but there is a big part of it where he was on the phone with her.
• 28:28
  She had a lot of that morning, what spent hours, and she's like claiming that these calls didn't happen in the cops collar on it and all this stuff.
• 28:36
  And she is really weirdly connected to this cult called Opus Day as well.
• 28:44
  And they're very like satanicky, creepy.
• 28:48
  So like she's got a lot of stuff going on.
• 28:50
  But I don't trust that girlfriend.
• 28:52
  I think she helped.
• 28:53
  And I think that man is a monster.
• 28:56
  She is, dude.
• 28:58
  Okay, one more time. What's this documentary called?
• 29:00
  It is called Chris Watts Confessions of a Killer.
• 29:04
  And in the documentary, they show the actual site of where he put their bodies.
• 29:11
  Oh, we know you love that shit.
• 29:13
  Yeah, obviously it's like super sad, but yeah, but it's so see the actual places where it happened.
• 29:21
  Yeah, and they were in $450,000 worth of debt.
• 29:26
  So yeah, they were just having struggles and she ended up getting a job and like they were able to get through it and see, yeah, I don't know what was going on.
• 29:35
  There was had that he had to kill his kids as well.
• 29:38
  I just, I don't know.
• 29:39
  I really don't know how to go through people's heads that they have to kill children.
• 29:43
  I mean, obviously I don't know how it has to go through your head to kill your wife or just any human being, but children.
• 29:48
  You kill your entire family like that. Something is snapped inside of you.
• 29:52
  Yeah.
• 29:53
  And it's just you, you're going all in.
• 29:55
  You're just committing to the entire abluration of your family.
• 29:58
  Well, what's so messed up about him too is once he knew like he was fully caught.
• 30:03
  He said that she killed the kids and an anger he killed her.
• 30:09
  Oh, my God.
• 30:10
  And everyone goes like, "True.
• 30:11
  There is no way she would harm a single hair on any of those babies."
• 30:16
  Yeah.
• 30:17
  Scom, scum, scum, scum, scum.
• 30:19
  Mm-hmm.
• 30:20
  And people like find him good looking.
• 30:21
  Like he's another like Ted Bundy kind.
• 30:22
  That makes me so much positive and stuff.
• 30:26
  So it's just, yeah.
• 30:27
  Mm-hmm.
• 30:28
  I was listening to an episode recently of Wine and Crime Podcast, which I love.
• 30:33
  And they were talking about the phenomenon of women who fall in love with like serial killers and write them letters from prison and stuff.
• 30:40
  And part of it is just that like you know that he is locked down in one place.
• 30:47
  So he's not going out and seeing other women.
• 30:49
  He's not cheating on you.
• 30:51
  And you feel, you feel needed finally.
• 30:54
  Like there's somebody there who needs you because you're the only one there there for them.
• 31:00
  You're the only one helping them.
• 31:01
  It's so finally you're like, "Here's a man who really truly needs me."
• 31:06
  And I don't know.
• 31:07
  It's psychological like whoops, you people jump through to fall in love with serial killers or think that they're attractive like that.
• 31:14
  And that's just nuts.
• 31:16
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:17
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:18
  Yeah. I mean if those people aren't going to the other side while they're there.
• 31:22
  Yeah.
• 31:23
  Yeah.
• 31:24
  Dude, right?
• 31:25
  Gosh, I don't know if I have like a favorite one.
• 31:26
  I listen to a lot more of like true crime podcasts than watch documentaries.
• 31:30
  So I listen to my favorite murder.
• 31:33
  And then I started from the very beginning.
• 31:36
  And now I'm through like 300, 300 episodes of "Wine and Crime" podcast.
• 31:41
  I love it so much.
• 31:43
  So definitely going to pop that and suggest people listen to that when they're not listening to pop culture junkies obviously.
• 31:49
  But a documentary that I recently watched on Netflix is called The Hatchet, "Wielding Hitchhiker."
• 31:56
  Have you guys heard of this at all?
• 31:58
  Okay.
• 31:59
  Yes. So it came out in 2023.
• 32:03
  Yes. And it is about this Hitchhiker named Caleb McGilvery.
• 32:08
  He goes by Kai.
• 32:10
  In 2013, he goes completely viral after he's involved in like a car accident where the driver of the car is claiming to be Jesus Christ himself and is kind of going through like a psychiatric episode.
• 32:27
  Kai gets out in or of his car to defend this woman and takes out a hatchet that he had in his backpack because he was an unhoused person at the time traveling around.
• 32:39
  And later there is and he defends this woman saves her knocks the guy out with a hatchet.
• 32:45
  So a local Fox affiliate shows up to cover the scene and interviews Kai right there on the spot.
• 32:51
  And he says the quote, "Smash, smash, smash, smash."
• 32:57
  And this clip just goes viral, right?
• 33:01
  He's on the Jimmy Camel show.
• 33:04
  He's on Inside Edition.
• 33:06
  I was watching this documentary and the amount of views this video got was just insane.
• 33:10
  Like he is just a viral overnight sensation.
• 33:13
  He's getting interviews left and right.
• 33:15
  People are pitching him his own TV show.
• 33:18
  They want him to do like a pop culture review show.
• 33:23
  But this guy on one hand, okay, it comes out that he spoiler alert murders somebody.
• 33:33
  And we'll get to that in a minute.
• 33:35
  But everything that leads up to it, instead of kind of giving this guy psychiatric care, which he obviously needed,
• 33:42
  or any kind of housing support medical care.
• 33:46
  Living on the streets, he obviously needs some kind of, I don't know, somebody to talk to, somebody who really cares about him.
• 33:54
  It kind of seems like everybody's exploiting him for money because he went so viral with this news clip, right?
• 34:00
  So he is kind of basking in the quote unquote fame of being a viral sensation.
• 34:08
  So a couple months later, he's arrested for murder charges after he's kind of couch surfing at this point.
• 34:14
  Because like I said, nobody is really giving him housing support.
• 34:18
  And he at the time is staying with this man named Joseph McAlphy.
• 34:24
  And he is arrested for the murder of said man.
• 34:28
  He says that McAlphy trigger warning tried to rape him, take advantage of him, and that he fought back in self defense.
• 34:37
  All of the evidence pointed towards Kai just obliterating this man, just salottering him in his house, right?
• 34:45
  And then it quote comes out from Kai that says, quote, "Do you know how many hot chicks never mind?
• 34:52
  Even if I was gay, do you know how many hot guys wanted to fuck me after that shit in California, the viral video?
• 34:59
  I'm not even being vain. It's just a fact. Like no offense.
• 35:03
  But he was not a looker talking about the guy that he murdered.
• 35:07
  I can hear him saying excuse me, he was not a looker, David.
• 35:11
  Which is why everybody was like, oh he couldn't have done it. It's just Kai looking at him.
• 35:17
  He wouldn't hurt a flea. Okay, well he did fight a guy with a hatchet.
• 35:21
  And brutally like a tag someone.
• 35:25
  And if you, I throughout the documentary, they kind of talk about other times that he's kind of had violent tendencies and shown that he can be a little unstable.
• 35:35
  But yeah, fans raised a legal fund for him saying that it had to have been self defense because it's Kai.
• 35:43
  He took the stand in his own defense was super competitive during cross examination, had an outburst, the judge and Jerry found him guilty of first degree murder.
• 35:55
  He is in prison for 57 years. So I still use that gift sometimes and I feel bad.
• 36:04
  Smush, smush, so much.
• 36:08
  Speaking of people who tried to defend themselves, that Ted Bundy documentary, it's really, really good as well.
• 36:14
  The one on Netflix is great, they talk a lot about it. But there's one on Amazon.
• 36:19
  That is done from the perspective of his ex girlfriend, the one that actually ended up turning him in and it was.
• 36:28
  Of Ted Bundy's ex girlfriend.
• 36:30
  And it's a little bit more focused on the perspective of victims, how he was conniving and it's called Ted Bundy falling for a killer.
• 36:44
  So it's really, really interesting. The women still alive.
• 36:47
  If you saw the movie with Zach Efron that they did about Ted Bundy, it's the one that, oh my god, I almost just called her Emily in Paris.
• 36:56
  Really Collins plays that Emily from Paris plays, that was a Collins plays.
• 37:03
  And it's just, it's, it's a little bit more like focused on the women and the story of Elizabeth Kendall.
• 37:10
  So I would definitely recommend that one as well.
• 37:14
  I know I mentioned it a couple episodes ago, but love and death on HBO is amazing.
• 37:19
  It's about Candy Montgomery murdering her lover's wife Betty with an axe.
• 37:26
  Lots of minor with hatchets and axes. And she, we're keeps saying spoiler alert, but whatever, these are all from like the 80s and shit.
• 37:35
  She ends up getting off on that one on self defense, but it's just interesting to see how they get there and how many times she.
• 37:44
  And then she acts to this woman to death and just kind of, you know, her snapping and stuff.
• 37:49
  So definitely going to pop that one too. And then finally, my last one is the staircase.
• 37:56
  So good.
• 37:58
  Dude, right. Okay. So there is a show and it's based on the documentary, which is based on, I mean, a book and just all sorts of, you know, things that happened with this trial.
• 38:07
  But it's about Michael Peterson getting convicted for killing his wife Kathleen Peterson.
• 38:14
  He's saying that she fell down a flight of stairs, but it's I believe he absolutely killed her.
• 38:22
  And then there's a theory called owl theory that comes out that maybe there's an owl that flew in the window and murdered her.
• 38:29
  Yeah, but that part's crazy.
• 38:31
  My husband and I reference a lot, which is probably kind of fucked up where we're like, no one will know.
• 38:36
  If I just ended you right now, owl theory.
• 38:39
  Yeah. So too funny things.
• 38:42
  First of all, I left that documentary. I've been like, he didn't do it.
• 38:47
  Really? I've eaten it.
• 38:49
  So I, but the HBO shows shows a very different angle of it.
• 38:54
  Yeah.
• 38:55
  What is interesting, though, is so the producer and like the main editor of that documentary, like falls in love with Michael Peterson.
• 39:05
  Yes. And that's why it seems so.
• 39:08
  Like, it's very, very biased.
• 39:11
  Yeah.
• 39:12
  But also at the same time, like the way a bisexual man was treated, like there was, like it's such an interesting layered frickin case where there's all these different things to it.
• 39:24
  But speaking of an owl, I can't remember the name of the case, but there is this case that was like reopened.
• 39:33
  And like they were able to find kind of like new evidence for it.
• 39:36
  It didn't stand in court, but this guy's parrot ends up repeating his murder back over and over and over again.
• 39:47
  What? That just sounds like season two of only murders in the building.
• 39:51
  No, it is literally a real story.
• 39:54
  And so this parrot, like, is like repeating it and it's doing the two different voices of the person where he's like, don't show.
• 40:02
  And it's crazy.
• 40:04
  But yeah, so those are the, that's what came to mind immediately.
• 40:08
  Murderous birds.
• 40:09
  Or birds who help out.
• 40:11
  Birds who help out.
• 40:12
  Yeah.
• 40:13
  Yeah.
• 40:14
  I don't know.
• 40:15
  This is good stuff, you guys.
• 40:16
  I don't know.
• 40:17
  It does come back to that conversation.
• 40:21
  If we listen to true crime, or you kind of like aiding, or I mean, is it problematic to be into true crime?
• 40:28
  Or I don't know. Why do we find so much, is it exploitative to be interested in true crime?
• 40:35
  To the amount that people are to like relive in these people's terror and sadness.
• 40:42
  And then we all find kind of joy out of it.
• 40:44
  But I don't know.
• 40:45
  Is it, is it messed up or is it, do you think it's okay?
• 40:49
  I think there's a really large conversation around ethical true crime, right?
• 40:53
  How do you consume it?
• 40:54
  We've talked about cases that have been solved.
• 40:57
  I think it really goes to, is the family okay with it?
• 41:02
  Yeah.
• 41:03
  Like the survivors, or the survivors as a whole, are they okay with it?
• 41:07
  Are we glamourizing?
• 41:08
  Yeah.
• 41:09
  I'm telling her.
• 41:10
  Yeah.
• 41:11
  Like that was a big criticism of the Ted Bundy Netflix documentary.
• 41:14
  It was like, you really didn't talk about these 30 women who lost their lives.
• 41:19
  And the family wasn't okay with that show, right?
• 41:22
  They weren't.
• 41:23
  Yeah.
• 41:24
  So they weren't really involved.
• 41:25
  They weren't as contacted.
• 41:26
  They kind of like show some of these women for like less than 10 seconds.
• 41:31
  And so I think it really comes to that.
• 41:34
  But I mean, like, you know, with so many podcasts, like if Tenderfoot TV,
• 41:38
  they're a big production network, pain Lindsay, like they've solved a ton of crime
• 41:45
  and helped police get to these things.
• 41:47
  And unfortunately there are so many unsolved murders.
• 41:50
  There are so many underfunded cold case departments.
• 41:54
  And they don't have the resources to go back and just test this DNA until there is a compelling reason
• 42:02
  where they have a narrative that they can tell to a judge.
• 42:05
  They can sign off.
• 42:06
  So I think there are ways to do it.
• 42:09
  Unfortunately, like I look at like Idaho for that just happened.
• 42:14
  Like it can get very, very bad.
• 42:16
  People were harassed.
• 42:18
  Like one of the girls had a boyfriend and they had just broken up.
• 42:21
  And people were harassing this man.
• 42:24
  And like he just went through an immense trauma and all this stuff.
• 42:28
  And so I think people who like to consume true crime,
• 42:33
  come at it from a place of what I want to help, especially in active investigations
• 42:39
  or oh, I want to know what I can avoid, especially as women.
• 42:43
  And you know, what steps can I take?
• 42:45
  Don't get sexy and don't get murdered.
• 42:47
  Yeah.
• 42:48
  Well, yeah, it's crazy.
• 42:50
  Ted Bunny is like 30 victims.
• 42:52
  Like I look exactly like them, right?
• 42:54
  And so it's like there's this like morbid fascination of like, how do I avoid it?
• 42:59
  But like you'll you'll never be able to.
• 43:01
  Yeah.
• 43:02
  And there's not the victims' fault ever if anything happens to them.
• 43:06
  I agree.
• 43:07
  Like it's all just kind of that fine line between with we make sure that we center the victim in these things.
• 43:11
  We remember they were real people.
• 43:13
  And if people it's important to understand and realize that
• 43:17
  the majority of victims in crimes and murders like this are women and they're women of color a lot of the times.
• 43:23
  And when these crimes happen to women of color,
• 43:26
  there aren't as many resources put into solving them and to finding the people who committed them.
• 43:31
  We see that in the news sometimes if a white woman is missing, you know,
• 43:35
  everybody in their mom is out looking for her.
• 43:37
  But if we bring attention to these cases of missing Indigenous murdered women,
• 43:41
  just trans people who are missing and facing violent crimes,
• 43:45
  then the more we talk about it, it kind of brings it to the forefront.
• 43:48
  So I can see that too when it comes to consuming true crime.
• 43:51
  Yeah.
• 43:52
  Absolutely.
• 43:53
  Well, everybody, listen to it.
• 43:54
  Stand up the woods.
• 43:55
  Don't talk to strangers.
• 43:56
  Stay sexy and don't get murdered.
• 43:58
  And don't sue us for using that tagline.
• 44:00
  There you go.
• 44:01
  So sexy and don't get murdered.
• 44:04
  We love you.
• 44:05
  We love you.
• 44:06
  I do want to give like a dishonorory mention.
• 44:10
  Yes.
• 44:11
  To the John Wayne Gacy Devlin disguise on peacock.
• 44:16
  And it's not like a documentary.
• 44:18
  It's actually a sit down interview with him.
• 44:21
  Yeah, I know.
• 44:23
  That's why it's a dishonorory.
• 44:24
  I think those are so interesting though.
• 44:27
  It is because I think this is the only one he ever did to where he sat down
• 44:32
  and interviewed with someone about his stuff like in everything.
• 44:37
  Is he remorseful at all?
• 44:39
  Yeah, he seems to be.
• 44:41
  I don't really know.
• 44:42
  I mean, yeah.
• 44:44
  He's the clown killer, right?
• 44:46
  Yeah.
• 44:47
  Yeah.
• 44:48
  Yeah.
• 44:49
  Yeah.
• 44:50
  He's sorry.
• 44:51
  He got arrested or sorry that he killed about people.
• 44:52
  Exactly.
• 44:53
  Definitely.
• 44:54
  I got arrested.
• 44:55
  What does he say?
• 44:56
  I mean, he's the one that led the police to where the first body was found.
• 45:00
  Yeah.
• 45:01
  But exactly.
• 45:02
  I mean, he killed like 33 kids.
• 45:04
  So.
• 45:05
  Yeah, dressing up as a clown and like going to kids birthday parties and shit, right?
• 45:08
  Yeah.
• 45:09
  Oh man.
• 45:10
  Oh.
• 45:11
  Oh.
• 45:12
  Creep.
• 45:13
  Interesting fact.
• 45:14
  Not a fun fact.
• 45:15
  It's again about murder.
• 45:16
  It's an unfun fact.
• 45:17
  When I lived in Chicago, I lived in that county, Cook County, and where you see at your birthday party?
• 45:27
  Definitely.
• 45:28
  We're in the same age range.
• 45:30
  I lived in this age too.
• 45:31
  I was going to say, "It's like a misdefinity."
• 45:33
  So, yeah.
• 45:34
  Nicole and I have the same morbid obsessions before that.
• 45:38
  And then another fun one is when I left Chicago, I lived in Austin as well and I lived in Travis
• 45:46
  County, which is where the Texas Shainsaw Massacre happened.
• 45:50
  Nope.
• 45:51
  Nope.
• 45:52
  So, yeah, that movie came out when I was like in fifth grade, the Jessica Biel one.
• 45:57
  But I'm to Jessica Biel, not to the movie.
• 46:00
  The same movie.
• 46:04
  But, no, I was shitting my pants.
• 46:06
  Oh my God.
• 46:07
  It freaked me out so much.
• 46:09
  But I love that movie.
• 46:11
  I think of those things and I'm like, "No one are so demented.
• 46:14
  I grew up where serial killers were.
• 46:16
  There's something in the soil."
• 46:17
  There's something in the water.
• 46:19
  Don't worry.
• 46:20
  I'm not doing murder.
• 46:22
  I'm not doing murder.
• 46:23
  Okay.
• 46:24
  I just like to talk about it.
• 46:26
  I'm not going to do it.
• 46:27
  I'm just thinking about it.
• 46:28
  I'm just thinking.
• 46:29
  I'm gonna have a Robert Jers moment and confess to it all here.
• 46:36
  Next time I bet you're placing, you're like, you can just sleep on the couch, it's fine.
• 46:40
  No, no, just sleep in bed with me.
• 46:42
  Now, I'll be like, I don't know.
• 46:44
  You're just gonna go.
• 46:46
  No, no.
• 46:47
  We all know if I shut my door, you would just charge in and be like, I got it.
• 46:53
  I get a sliver to sleep with the bad too.
• 46:55
  Oh, is that it?
• 46:56
  No if it's okay.
• 46:57
  It's okay.
• 46:58
  I don't want to call you.
• 47:00
  I'll call you.
• 47:02
  I'll call you.
• 47:03
  I'll call you.
• 47:05
  I'll call you.
• 47:06
  I'll call you.
• 47:07
  Dude, you fade, man.
• 47:08
  I'll be an easy murder victim.
• 47:09
  Yeah, man take away is from the podcast.
• 47:11
  If you wanna win Nicole's heart, make her potatoes, also just feed Sean at anything and she'll
• 47:17
  let you murder her.
• 47:18
  Absolutely.
• 47:19
  I will die for cheese.
• 47:21
  Especially if it's like soft, stinky cheese.
• 47:24
  Actually, please don't kill me.
• 47:26
  I'm just so hungry.
• 47:27
  I'm just like, I can do anything for cheese.
• 47:29
  Well, on that note, I hope we all go make our death remeals without the death and have
• 47:37
  the best night.
• 47:38
  All right.
• 47:39
  Where can the people find you?
• 47:42
  You could find me on Instagram and TikTok at Nicole_Edridge and on Twitter
• 47:47
  @naeldridge14
• 47:49
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• 47:54
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• 48:04
  What's the first one you've been?
• 48:08
  Blasic.
• 48:09
  That's why I never gave my TikTok the first time and I was like, I'm not changing it.
• 48:18
  Whatever, dude, we're adults.
• 48:25
  You can find me at Shauna.
• 48:26
  It's ShaunaTrinidadCocaine420-6969.
• 48:33
  You didn't mention the boothie.
• 48:35
  Oh yeah, boof, boof, boof.
• 48:36
  I put it on my calendar just so I can look back if I ever face a trial.
• 48:43
  I can be like, I was boofy with Olivia that day.
• 48:46
  Boofy through.
• 48:47
  Did we just make a break, Kavanaugh joke?
• 48:51
  Like, you're just boofy?
• 48:52
  No, boofy?
• 48:53
  Boofy is putting drugs up your butt.
• 48:56
  Yeah, that's from the break, Kavanaugh trial.
• 49:00
  It was a thing before then.
• 49:02
  People have been putting drugs up there butts a long time.
• 49:07
  Oh, I remember Kavanaugh did it with his buds at the front house.
• 49:12
  Anyway, Kavanaugh was decreasing so hard.
• 49:15
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• 49:22
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• 49:26
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• 49:32
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• 49:37
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• 49:39
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• 49:49
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