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Tiger King Sentence SLASHED? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Bombshell. In the last days, Joe Exotic aka Tiger King
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Speaker 1: has had his prison sentence technically vacated. The Tiger King
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Speaker 1: may be out of prison sooner than expected. Had appeals
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Speaker 1: court vacated Joe Exotic sentence yesterday. John Phillips, the local
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Speaker 1: attorney who represents him, says that this marks the start
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Speaker 1: of justice. Exotic was serving twenty two years in prison
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Speaker 1: after trying to hire two different men to kill Carol
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Speaker 1: Baskin and wildlife violations. According to the investigation, it was
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Speaker 1: found that the trial court, however, wrongly treated the two
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Speaker 1: convictions separately when calculating his prison time. Philip said that
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Speaker 1: they shouldn't have been separated because they involved the same victim.
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Speaker 1: Exotic has maintained his innocence. You find that a little
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Speaker 1: bit confusing. You were hearing Jennifer waw w j XT
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Speaker 1: news for Jacks Now. As you will recall, this was
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Speaker 1: a multi count indictment, including attempts to murder or hashing
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Speaker 1: a plan to murder or threaten Carol Baskin, what he
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Speaker 1: perceived to be his chief rival in the private zoo.
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Speaker 1: I guess you would call them world but there were
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Speaker 1: also federal counts of mistreatment of animals, meetings, starvings, shooting animals.
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Speaker 1: It was a very complex indictment. So to you, Daryl Cohen,
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Speaker 1: former prosecutor now defense attorney with Cohen Cooper, Estepan Allen,
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Speaker 1: Darrel Cohen, what exactly is the reason a court of
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Speaker 1: appeals is vacating Tiger King's verdict and well the sentence. Well,
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Speaker 1: they're saying that, I see that two counts should not
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Speaker 1: have been effecutive. They should have said the court should
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Speaker 1: have only listened to one count. But let's be honest
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Speaker 1: about this thing. So they're going to vacate the sentence.
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Speaker 1: He's going to be resentenced, and he's going to serve
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Speaker 1: eighty five percent of that time because it is a
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Speaker 1: federal sentence and he's going away for a long long time.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter. Okay. According to court documents, a
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Speaker 1: judge reaffirmed exotics conviction but has sent the case back
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Speaker 1: down just for sentencing. This is not a new trial.
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Speaker 1: It is simply a resentencing. Daryald Cohen, I still don't
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Speaker 1: understand your explanation that's why he's being resentenced. Could you
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Speaker 1: clarify the court thought that the trial court box card
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Speaker 1: em or put one upon the other when they should
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Speaker 1: have said no, just one count of attempted murder for higher.
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Speaker 1: That's enough, and that's what brought it back to the sentencing.
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Speaker 1: That's all right, so, Daryl, even though there were many
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Speaker 1: many counts in the indictment dealing with other crimes other
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Speaker 1: than trying to kill Carol Baskin, I understand the appellate court,
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Speaker 1: the district court judge said that the two murder for
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Speaker 1: Higher convictions, forget about all the mistreatment of animals. Those
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Speaker 1: two convictions merged because there was only one victim. That's
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Speaker 1: kind of like saying, Daryl, I point a gun at
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Speaker 1: you and pull the trigger and kill you my aggravated assault,
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Speaker 1: which is putting you in fear of immediate serious bodily
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Speaker 1: injury or death. I can't be prosecuted for that. Well,
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Speaker 1: I can be prosecuted for that and murder, but I
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Speaker 1: can't be sentenced on both because they merge. Its all
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Speaker 1: one act, exactly, Nancy. So it's not that big a deal.
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Speaker 1: They'll come back, they'll be resentives. He's going to get
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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of time, a boatload of time. He'll
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Speaker 1: serve eighty five percent of it, and Joe is not
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Speaker 1: going to be around to take care of or her
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Speaker 1: any more animals or people. Joe Exotic was sentis own
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Speaker 1: January twenty, twenty twenty. He's been in jail for all
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Speaker 1: this time, but from the very beginning he's had a
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Speaker 1: lot to say about the sentence. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Brent Scarkey k fo R, Oklahoma, and he's four is
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Speaker 1: absolutely crapped to start away. Joe Exotic on the phone
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Speaker 1: from federal prison on the decision handed down on Wednesday
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Speaker 1: by Judge Phillips of the US Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals.
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Speaker 1: Back in twenty nineteen, the infamous showman from the Winniwood
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Speaker 1: Exotic Animal Park was convicted on two counts of murder
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Speaker 1: for hire involving plots against fellow big cat handler Carol Baskin.
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Speaker 1: He was also found guilty on seven and team counts
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Speaker 1: involving wrongdoing with his animals. In twenty twenty, a federal
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Speaker 1: judge then handed down a twenty two year sentence for
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Speaker 1: his crimes, but Joe Exotic appealed the decision and the sentencing,
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Speaker 1: and on Wednesday and the Pellate Court saying we affirm
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Speaker 1: the conviction, but vacate the sentence and remand for resentencing.
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Speaker 1: What the Tenth Circuit has said is we're not going
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Speaker 1: to overturn the conviction. We're not saying the court made
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Speaker 1: any erroneous rulings during the trial portion, but at sentencing
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Speaker 1: the court misapplied the meaning of some of the guideline rules.
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Speaker 1: Those guidelines involved the two murder for higher convictions that
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Speaker 1: were originally to be nine years each and serve consecutively.
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Speaker 1: So you know, I disagree with you on that point.
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Speaker 1: Gerald Cohen says, it will not A new sentence will
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Speaker 1: not be a big change. I think it will. It
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Speaker 1: will take nine years off a twenty two year sentence.
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Speaker 1: Is that right? Joining me Leave by Page Crime Online
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Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter and host of Crime and Scandal
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Speaker 1: True Crime podcast. Won't that take nine years off exotic sentence? Yes, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: What we're talking about is a three judge panel in
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Speaker 1: the US Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit in Denver.
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Speaker 1: They said that the trial court treated those two convictions
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Speaker 1: for attempted murder for hire separately when they sentenced him.
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Speaker 1: They should have been grouped as one during the sentence
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Speaker 1: and the ruling says, quote, because those two convictions involved
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Speaker 1: the same victim, and two or more acts are transactions
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Speaker 1: that were connected by a common criminal objective, they should
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Speaker 1: not have been treated separately in the sentencing guidelines. So
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Speaker 1: those two sentences could have been grouped together, and that
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Speaker 1: would shaves some time off of Joe Exotics sentence. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me understand. Daryl Cohney's got a twenty two years sentence,
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Speaker 1: and that includes a sentence for planning hatching a plot
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Speaker 1: to kill mask and his rival, but also on those
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Speaker 1: mistreatment of animals. Nine years of that is going to
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Speaker 1: be shaved off. Yes, no, Nancy, I think we're doing Shakespeare.
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Speaker 1: I think you'll find it's much ado about nothing. Yes,
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Speaker 1: they will shave nine years off, but I suspect when
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Speaker 1: he is resentenced, all of the animal counts will be consecutive,
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Speaker 1: that is, after one after the other, not running concurrent
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Speaker 1: or at the same time. And I suspect he's going
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Speaker 1: to get a very similar amount of time that he's
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Speaker 1: going to be serving in the federal system. And again
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Speaker 1: he serves eighty five eighty five percent. There's no parole
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Speaker 1: right to you leave my page. What were the seventeen
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Speaker 1: other counts of animal cruelty. Yes. So. In January twenty twenty,
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Speaker 1: the US District Judge Scott L. Park He sentenced him
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Speaker 1: to two hundred and sixty four months on the attempted
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Speaker 1: murder for hire plots that he hatched that we've been
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Speaker 1: talking about, But he also was facing charges for violating
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Speaker 1: endangered species acts. He shot and killed five tigers. He
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Speaker 1: also faked logs that said that he had a reason
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Speaker 1: to euthanize them, that a veterinarians signed off on them
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Speaker 1: and he didn't. They were fake. Event never signed off
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Speaker 1: on them, and employees testified during the trial that he
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Speaker 1: would just shoot these tigers and other animals, including a
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Speaker 1: hawk that's also endangered, to make room for other animals
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Speaker 1: in the zoo. The saga Joe Exotic aka the Tiger
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Speaker 1: King seemed to subside once he was finally sent us.
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Speaker 1: Of course, the rising star of his rival, Carol Baskin,
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Speaker 1: seemed to emerge. Take a listen to Amy Robot Gma
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Speaker 1: Carol Baskin dances in the ballroom. The family of her
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Speaker 1: ex husband Don lewis filing a defamation lawsuit against The
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Speaker 1: Tiger King Star. I keep it outside and wait until
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Speaker 1: everybody's gone before I can break the family, saying in
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Speaker 1: the lawsuit. Baskin is currently appearing and dancing with the
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Speaker 1: Stars and is complicit with jokes about Don Lewis's death.
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Speaker 1: For me, you didn't quite kill the passa del It's
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Speaker 1: what Kundall sedated Lewis's daughters, pushing for renewed attention on
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Speaker 1: the disappearance of their father. Do you know who did this?
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Speaker 1: Where Carol Bastin was involved. Baskin has denied any involvement,
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Speaker 1: but now a new docu series, Joe Exotic Tigers, Lies
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Speaker 1: and Cover Up, is taking a deeper dive exploring new
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Speaker 1: theories about what may have happened to Don Lewis Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the
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Speaker 1: new sentencing that Joe Exotic aka the Tiger King is
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Speaker 1: going to get. An appellate court has reversed his twenty
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Speaker 1: two years sentence nine years, so that will be shaved off.
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Speaker 1: But it may not be that simple because there were
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Speaker 1: so many indictment charges, many of them dealing not with
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Speaker 1: Carol Baskin, but the mistreatment of animals under his care,
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Speaker 1: shooting animals when he allegedly thought he could make more
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Speaker 1: money off bringing in baby tiger cubs versus the older
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Speaker 1: animals he had had for years. Calli's treatment of birds
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Speaker 1: and other animals at all came to a culmination in
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Speaker 1: a court of law. This is while Carol Baskin dances
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Speaker 1: her way to fame yet again on Dancing with the Stars.
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Speaker 1: But there's more. A lot's been happening since Tiger King
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Speaker 1: went to jail. Take listen to our friends at ABC Action.
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Speaker 1: He's our cut thirty eight. Retired Secret Service agent Jim
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Speaker 1: Rathman has teamed up with television producer Teresa McEwen. There's
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Speaker 1: so much more information that's going to come out over time.
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Speaker 1: It's just there's so much. It's overwhelming. And helping prepare
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Speaker 1: an application asking President Trump to pardon Joe Exotic, whose
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Speaker 1: real name is Joseph Maldonado passage. When I saw that
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Speaker 1: article last night that you know Trump has one hundred
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Speaker 1: people he's going to pardon, I'm thinking Joe's probably one
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Speaker 1: of them, or so, I hope two hundred fifty seven
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Speaker 1: pages for the pardon that made its way up to
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Speaker 1: the White House. But what they've gotten recently is this
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Speaker 1: new evidence, new evidence that may make its way all
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Speaker 1: the way to the White House, or warrant a brand
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Speaker 1: new trial. Well, then we hear about the alleged pardon
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Speaker 1: my former President Donald Trump. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut forty. This is KFR Oklahoma Doe Exotic. You well
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Speaker 1: know him. He's lashing out after receiving a pardon from
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Speaker 1: President Trump. In September, he wrote a letter to the
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Speaker 1: President writing be my hero please. But today Joe Exotic
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Speaker 1: has a much different tone, as statement posted on his
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Speaker 1: official Twitter account reads, I was too innocent and too
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Speaker 1: gay to deserve a pardon from Trump. I only mattered
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Speaker 1: to Don Junior when he needed to make a comment
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Speaker 1: about me to boost his social media post. Boy, were
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Speaker 1: we all stupid to believe he actually stood for equal justice?
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Speaker 1: His corrupt friends all come first. End quote. Joe Exotic,
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Speaker 1: whose real name is Joseph Meldonado Passage, is serving twenty
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Speaker 1: two years in federal prison for a foiled murder for
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Speaker 1: hire plot, along with wildlife charges. He still maintains his innocence.
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Speaker 1: In the pardon application, Joe Exotics attorneys wrote he was
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Speaker 1: railroaded and betrayed by others. Okay, let me understand Doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold Psychiatrists joining us out of Atlanta at angela
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Speaker 1: Arnold MD dot com. Doctor Angie, what happens when you
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Speaker 1: go behind ours? I think that you will grab onto anything.
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Speaker 1: And here he is claiming that he only mattered to
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Speaker 1: Don Trump Junior when he needed to boost he Trump
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Speaker 1: needed to boost a social media post that he Exotic
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Speaker 1: was stupid to believe that Trump stood for equal justice.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, this guy Exotic shot animals, just shot
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Speaker 1: them in the head and killed them when he wanted
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Speaker 1: to bring in more lucrative baby tigers. He mistreated animals
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Speaker 1: multiple federal accounts, and hatched a murder plan against Carol Baskin.
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Speaker 1: So why is he surprised he didn't yet a pardon it?
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Speaker 1: This is not about Trump, this is not about Biden.
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Speaker 1: It's not about politics. It's about Exotic completely ignoring what
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Speaker 1: he did to those animals. Well, it's also about his
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Speaker 1: grandiose view of himself, isn't it, Nancy. Whenever someone thinks
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Speaker 1: that a very figure is supposed to do something for them,
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Speaker 1: for example, Trump pardoning him, that is that's grandiose thinking. Okay,
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Speaker 1: he also thinks that he can get away with anything
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Speaker 1: that he does. He thinks he's above everybody. So there's
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Speaker 1: a there is a grandiosity to what he thinks and
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Speaker 1: does that none of us can understand. It's and it's
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Speaker 1: it's not a mental illness. It's more of a personality disorder. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I ventured to say he is a huge narcissist with
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Speaker 1: very grandiose views about himself. That's why he can kill animals,
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Speaker 1: That's why he can explain everything away because at the
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Speaker 1: end of the day, he believes he's above the law.
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Speaker 1: You know, to say somehow he was going to get
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Speaker 1: a presidential pardon, Oh my goodness, you know, I want
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Speaker 1: to go back to you, Daryl Cohen. How hard is
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Speaker 1: it to get a presidential pardon? Nancy? I think the
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Speaker 1: word impossible is what we all think about. The number
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Speaker 1: of presidential partners is so minors, so insignificant in terms
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Speaker 1: of the number of cases. It's unbelievable. And then you
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Speaker 1: have to look at the type of case that the
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Speaker 1: president would consider pardoning. Would Trump have pardoned him? Will
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Speaker 1: Biden pardon him? My answer is unequivocally no way, It's
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Speaker 1: almost impossible. And no, they are not going to touch
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Speaker 1: this case with a ten foot pole. It will lead
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Speaker 1: them and nowhere but down. Now. I'm talking about his
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Speaker 1: state of mind behind bars, not accepting that a jury
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Speaker 1: has found him guilty, not just for threatening to kill
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Speaker 1: Carol Baskin. And I don't mean an idle threat like
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you if you don't empty the trash.
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Speaker 1: I mean a well thought out plan hiring or arranging
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Speaker 1: a hit man, picking out a location, making it possible
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Speaker 1: for the hit to occur, avert axe to make this
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Speaker 1: a real plan, not just idle chat. He is ignoring
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Speaker 1: all of that, pretending none of it happened. And now
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Speaker 1: he is even coming up with a conspiracy that involves
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Speaker 1: guess who, Carol Baskin. Take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: forty two. This is Kevin Frasier on et Carol and
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Speaker 1: Aller basking feeling bound to help me get a party
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Speaker 1: and probably depart to be time for Carol and Aller
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Speaker 1: to put up hello because I'm except in their offer. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: not so fast, because there is still no love lost here.
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Speaker 1: Joe Exotick broke his silence for the first time after
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Speaker 1: Howard Baskin made this ultimatum to the mirror quote if
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Speaker 1: Joe were to come out and say I would like
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Speaker 1: to support passage of the Big Cat Public Safety Act,
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Speaker 1: it might position him in a positive way for a pardon,
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Speaker 1: and frankly, I might be willing to go and urge
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Speaker 1: at least a reduction in his sentence. And they can't
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Speaker 1: think the act. Boy, it's written. He's not gonna help
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Speaker 1: anybody decent and Carol Baskin so other than that, they
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Speaker 1: need to say the hell out of the news with
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Speaker 1: all the craft because I just called their blood et
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Speaker 1: reach out to Carol who said they stand by their offer.
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Speaker 1: With one major caveat quote, I wouldn't seek a reduced
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Speaker 1: sentence for Joe based upon him just saying he'd help.
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Speaker 1: He'd have to actually work with authorities to bring all
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Speaker 1: of his buddies to justice and work with legislators to
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Speaker 1: end cub handling. Listen, if I will live through this
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Speaker 1: because my help is to cherating by the day, Well,
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Speaker 1: you're going to con this into something good man for
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Speaker 1: a prisoner and justice reformed. Now when he says his
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Speaker 1: health is deteriorating, this is what we're talking about. Taking
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Speaker 1: Listen to our cut forty four. This is Kevin Fraser
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Speaker 1: at Joe has been behind bars for two and a
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Speaker 1: half years so far, and claims the prison system is
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Speaker 1: not adequately addressing medical issues. I'm waiting in last week
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Speaker 1: and I lost another ten pounds and I have to
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Speaker 1: get blood and maybe since supposed to every week, I've
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Speaker 1: only been getting a better in three months. I have
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Speaker 1: Momama glommed me downtown chair the cancer center for treatment,
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Speaker 1: but we stop to the mat. I refused treatment for tuberculosis.
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Speaker 1: Electue my mountains, alterna, I look back. Despite all that,
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Speaker 1: Joe says his husband of three years, Dylan Passage, is
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Speaker 1: sticking by his side, despite putting out a statement three
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Speaker 1: weeks ago they were seeking a divorce, has been through
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Speaker 1: health and he stood by my side the entire time.
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Speaker 1: When were you I'm going about a divorce, showing Alvan.
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Speaker 1: Then we've talked about it and we decided to be
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Speaker 1: married and told me over and over making if I'm
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Speaker 1: making it out of your line, I still have a
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Speaker 1: home to come to. Yes, he'll make it out a line,
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Speaker 1: but when that's the big question. Crime stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace and the last days there has been announced there
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Speaker 1: will be a resentencing for Joe exotic Um. You know
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Speaker 1: I want to go back to leave my page and
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Speaker 1: bring in Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and Stora,
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Speaker 1: of a new series The Piked and Massacre on iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, all those charges about animal cruelty, the charges
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Speaker 1: that have nothing to do with Carol Baston, what is
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Speaker 1: the evidence, the forensic evidence that was introduced at trial
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Speaker 1: to prove all those accounts of truly mistreating animals in
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Speaker 1: his care, you know, Nancy. They went to great links
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Speaker 1: to prove that he had in fact abused these animals
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Speaker 1: over a protracted period of time, and there's actually some
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Speaker 1: videography of that is videotape of him engaging in this cruelty.
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Speaker 1: And one of the other things that you can kind
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Speaker 1: of match up with this is the state in which
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Speaker 1: these animals were kept at this place up in Oklahoma,
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Speaker 1: deplorable conditions that don't marry up necessarily with what the
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Speaker 1: standard of care would be. And then of course you
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Speaker 1: have what remained of the animals and eyewitness accounts relative
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Speaker 1: to how he would behave, you know, Nancy, Even in
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Speaker 1: this series that have forced myself to watch you can
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Speaker 1: see him being cruel to animals. Many times he put
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Speaker 1: his hand on his pistol and start shouting at them
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Speaker 1: and fire rounds up into the air and this sort
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Speaker 1: of thing. So it kind of goes to a bigger
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Speaker 1: narrative with how he behaved around these animals, and they
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Speaker 1: had enough physical evidence and documentary evidence to hang these
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Speaker 1: charges on it. The exact charges in that federal indictment
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Speaker 1: accusing Joe Exotic mistreating animals, I believe was proven over
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Speaker 1: and over at trial Daryl Cohen, because I believe the
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Speaker 1: prosecutors were concerned about the sideshow that would end up
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Speaker 1: happening if they focused too much on the hit on
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Speaker 1: Carol Baskin. They had to prove a multicount indictment independent
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Speaker 1: of client of his attempts to kill Carol Baskin, because
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Speaker 1: those prosecutors knew the jury could focus on these animal
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Speaker 1: cruelty charges and they would get a conviction. Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this is the way it works, and it head to work.
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Speaker 1: The prosecutors, the assistant US attorneys did exactly what they
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Speaker 1: should have done. They focused on both. They knew that
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Speaker 1: if they focused on the animals that people normally will
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Speaker 1: close their eyes, close their ears. Don't need to hear
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Speaker 1: the evidence. You've hurt animals, and when you talk about
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Speaker 1: exotic animals, animals that are the endangered species list from
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Speaker 1: time to time. The hawk that you mentioned, the tigers
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Speaker 1: that were killed so that tiger cubs could come in
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Speaker 1: juries will convict absent evidence. All you need to do
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Speaker 1: is charge him. This is not a good guy. This
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Speaker 1: is a bad guy, and this is a guy who
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Speaker 1: needs to be exactly where he is for the next
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Speaker 1: however many years of his life that he has left
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Speaker 1: to live. He should just exist as an incarcerated personne
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Speaker 1: don't think about the animal abuse. There's the actual video
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Speaker 1: of Joe Exotic beating baby tigers, pulling them by their tail,
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Speaker 1: dragging them. There was a witness that said that he
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Speaker 1: took a hawk, which is federally protected, put it in
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Speaker 1: a trash bag alive, and then threw it in a
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Speaker 1: dumpster to die. That he had cubs baby bears, that
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Speaker 1: he had go without water for an extended period of
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Speaker 1: time in Oklahoma during the summer when the temperatures were
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Speaker 1: about one hundred degree The reality is, while he called
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Speaker 1: himself Joe Exotic, he loaded over a very popular exotic
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Speaker 1: animal park out in Oklahoma, and during that time, according
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Speaker 1: to prosecutors and according to a jury, Joe Exotic shot
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Speaker 1: and killed five tigers, sold babe lemurs who are protected,
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Speaker 1: falsified paperwork to say they were donated, and tried to
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Speaker 1: pay a hitman thousands of dollars to murder Carol Masking.
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Speaker 1: He got sentence to twenty two years. But there's a
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Speaker 1: problem with that sentence. According to an appellate court, I
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Speaker 1: want to go back to I think I heard just
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Speaker 1: got more good breaking in regarding mistreatment of the animals. Yeah, Nancy,
24:29
Speaker 1: when when you begin to think about these tigers, for instance,
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Speaker 1: these are what are referred to as apex predators. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they're at the top of the food chain. They require
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Speaker 1: a huge amount of calories in order to maintain the life,
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Speaker 1: you know, a vital life that they lived. These these animals.
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Speaker 1: You could even see in the videography that was you
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Speaker 1: know that was in the show, these animals. Some of
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Speaker 1: these animals had their rip cages showing they are deprived
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Speaker 1: of food. And he was actually sending people allowed to
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Speaker 1: go dumpster diving, if I remember correctly, and getting tainted
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Speaker 1: food and this sort of thing. It requires quite a
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Speaker 1: bit of food in order to just merely take care
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Speaker 1: of the uptake of these animals day in and day out.
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Speaker 1: And when you consider the vast number of these animals
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Speaker 1: that he had not to mention, you know you had
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Speaker 1: mentioned bears. There are other animals that are in this
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Speaker 1: environment that are not meant to be there, certainly not
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Speaker 1: to dwell together. A Bengal tiger, for instance, just in
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Speaker 1: and of itself has a vast range that it covers.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine taking these huge animals, plopping them all together,
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Speaker 1: and then they're having to fight for food, and that
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Speaker 1: means that the weakest among them, there's a high opportunity
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Speaker 1: that the larger, more stronger ones will kill the weaker
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Speaker 1: ones or at least starble maun Think about it. First
25:54
Speaker 1: of all, let me give you an assignment Lea by Page.
25:57
Speaker 1: I need to know what the center was on each
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Speaker 1: count at trial, what he got for Carol Baskin's attempted
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Speaker 1: murder hiring a hitman. I mean he's on tape offering
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Speaker 1: three grand to kill her and then the rest after
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Speaker 1: she's dead, telling him to do it. On a bike
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Speaker 1: trail outlining where the best place was to kill her
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Speaker 1: so he wouldn't be caught. There's those two charges, plus
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Speaker 1: there's a multitude of cruelty to animal charges. How much
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Speaker 1: does he get on each count? So when he's resentenced,
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Speaker 1: I can figure out what that resentence is going to
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Speaker 1: be minus of nine years. On the second, Carol Baskin
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Speaker 1: to doctor Angie Arnold. While while Levi's looking that up,
26:42
Speaker 1: let's talk about the mentality. You're the psychiatrist. I'm just
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Speaker 1: a trial lawyer, someone that would take their pet and go,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't just go shoot him in
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Speaker 1: the backyard so I can get a new puppy. I'm
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Speaker 1: tired of him. He's not fun and funny anymore. What
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Speaker 1: is that? Well, show, First of all, he's not attached
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Speaker 1: to these animals, okay, Nancy. And because he is a narcissist,
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Speaker 1: these things, these things are just part of his supply.
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Speaker 1: And when he wants a new supply, it doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: anything to shoot him or human being in the head
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Speaker 1: and get rid of them and go get a baby
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Speaker 1: that can be his new supply. Okay. And this is
27:23
Speaker 1: narcissistic personality disorder on absolute steroids, These are not narcissistic tendencies.
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Speaker 1: He is a narcissist through and through. If anyone wants
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Speaker 1: to know what a narcissist is, they should study this man.
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Speaker 1: Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Now, as we're talking about
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Speaker 1: a possible resentencing on Joe Exotic, a pet eyewitnessed investigation
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Speaker 1: and reveals sick, injured, and dying animals were denied VET treatment,
28:09
Speaker 1: They were denied humane euthanasia. Animals were kicked, starved, blasted
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Speaker 1: with pressurized hoses and fire extinguishers, and beaten beaten with
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Speaker 1: the blunt end up a gun. Now he got a
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Speaker 1: nine year sentence for each of his two murder for
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Speaker 1: higher convictions and four years for crimes against wildlife that
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Speaker 1: included trafficking and endangered species like lemurs, killing tigers to
28:45
Speaker 1: make room for more tigers that were more lucrative, I
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Speaker 1: eat baby tigers. So all in all, lead by page,
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to decipher what I think is going to
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Speaker 1: happen at the new sentencing. So did all of the
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Speaker 1: animal endangerment sentences run concurrent or at the same time
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Speaker 1: as the murder For higher charges? There were I think
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Speaker 1: four animal cruelty charges pulled up. There were more than
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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice Press relief on the Senate. Wonderful,
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Speaker 1: tell me. So he was sentenced to two twelve months
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Speaker 1: on each count for the Endangered Species Acts violation, and
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Speaker 1: they ran concurrently to each other until all other counts,
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Speaker 1: and he was sentenced to forty eight months on each
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Speaker 1: of the Lacy Act violations to run concurrently with all
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Speaker 1: the other but consecutive to the two murder for higher counts. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that changes things, Daryl Cohen, because everybody, Darrel Cohen and
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Speaker 1: I have both argued many many sentencings before judges. So
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Speaker 1: let's break it down and make it simple, Darrell, all
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Speaker 1: of the animal cruelty charges, all of them are encompassed
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Speaker 1: in a forty eight month sentencing. Okay, forty eight months,
30:17
Speaker 1: we're talking about four years, and then you have the
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Speaker 1: two nine years sentences. So the best he can hope
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Speaker 1: for is nine plus four, which is thirteen years as
30:33
Speaker 1: opposed to twenty two. And you will do eighty five
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Speaker 1: percent of those thirteen years. Now, And that's my analysis
30:40
Speaker 1: of what's going to happen. What do you think? I think, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that what was concurrent before will become consecutive, and I
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Speaker 1: think the judge will. We'll see it's a definite. Maybe
30:53
Speaker 1: I disagree. I don't think he cannot touch what he's
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Speaker 1: already done. The judge already sentenced four years on the
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Speaker 1: animal counts and nine years consecutive on the murder. I
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Speaker 1: don't think he can touch the animal counts. I think
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Speaker 1: all he can do is get rid of the nine years.
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Speaker 1: So eighty five. I'm doing my math. Eighty five percent
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Speaker 1: of thirteen. I guess you've already figured it out, Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. I've got eleven zero five. It's eighty five
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Speaker 1: percent of thirteen, So eleven years and he's already done
31:29
Speaker 1: what two years three? He's looking at it being out
31:33
Speaker 1: in eight years? Yep, that's what I'm seeing. Guys. A
31:39
Speaker 1: lot has changed behind bars for Joe Exotic. Now take
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Speaker 1: a less in our Cup forty three. This is Scott
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Speaker 1: Jones and Tara Bloom at Fox fifty nine. Joe Exotic
31:49
Speaker 1: is looking for love and Harold he is having a
31:52
Speaker 1: competition to get it. He's allegedly getting his own dating
31:55
Speaker 1: so called the Bachelor King. Yeah, that should be good.
31:59
Speaker 1: Any details, But men eighteen and older can fill out
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Speaker 1: an application online to possibly be the next love of
32:05
Speaker 1: Joe's right, it wouldn't be Carol. One thing that Mike
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Speaker 1: get in the way is Joe's twenty two years sentence
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Speaker 1: after being found guilty in a murder for higher plot,
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Speaker 1: which is all detailed in the wildly popular Netflix show.
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Speaker 1: So he's going to be in prison until twenty forty two.
32:19
Speaker 1: There's also the fact he's still married to Dylan Passage. However,
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Speaker 1: Passage announced back in March on Instagram that they are
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Speaker 1: getting a divorce. Okay, is this true? Leavi page is
32:30
Speaker 1: he's starting a reality show, that's what he wants. We'll
32:34
Speaker 1: see if that happened. We know that he's tried to
32:37
Speaker 1: cash in on his notoriety. At one point, he was
32:40
Speaker 1: selling underwear with his picture on it. Okay, can we
32:44
Speaker 1: talk about that for just one moment. What do you
32:45
Speaker 1: mean he's selling underwear with his picture on it? He
32:48
Speaker 1: was selling men's underwear. People could purchase it and it
32:52
Speaker 1: had his picture on the front of them. And he
32:56
Speaker 1: also has a new cannabis line that he is trying
32:59
Speaker 1: to cash in on as well. You mean pot Yes, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I say to listen to our cut forty four zero
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Speaker 1: our friends at crime Online. It seems like the public
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Speaker 1: just can't get enough of Tiger King star Joe Exotic.
33:13
Speaker 1: His line of designer underwear, some sporting his face over
33:17
Speaker 1: the groin area, sold out immediately when it launched earlier
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Speaker 1: this month, raking in fifty thousand dollars in online sales.
33:23
Speaker 1: The top seller in his Revenge Collection with Dangerous appears
33:28
Speaker 1: to be the limited edition casket basket and Boxer Brief,
33:31
Speaker 1: which depicts blood red ice cream in a cone. Let's
33:35
Speaker 1: listen to part of the ad seeing your husband's boyfriend,
33:38
Speaker 1: fiance and those nasty, tidy whitey are then drinking Boxer George,
33:42
Speaker 1: Have I got the product for you today? Jazz him
33:45
Speaker 1: up and get him on your wild side with exclusive
33:48
Speaker 1: Tiger King hundway and they are everywhere. O Dangerous just
33:51
Speaker 1: put up three billboards in Mexico pushing the Revenge collection.
33:56
Speaker 1: Now wait a minute, Leavi Page, you kind of pooh
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Speaker 1: pooed it, but the underwear sold out. LEVI I think
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Speaker 1: we have Netflix to think for that. Nancy, Tiger King
34:08
Speaker 1: was one of the most downloaded shows in the history
34:13
Speaker 1: of Netflix. So Daryl Cohen, speaking of the resentencing, which
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Speaker 1: is why we are all here today, I believe it's
34:20
Speaker 1: going to be eleven point zero five years. Do you
34:23
Speaker 1: have a different interpretation? I do. I think the judge
34:26
Speaker 1: is going to resentence him as to the animal counts,
34:29
Speaker 1: and I think they're going to go consecutive. But you
34:32
Speaker 1: and I agree that he's going to serve at least
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Speaker 1: eleven and I think it will be of the thirteenth
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Speaker 1: to fifteen year range. It will be the twenty two
34:40
Speaker 1: year sentence, but I think it will be more than
34:43
Speaker 1: what he's originally got on the animal counts. We'll see.
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Speaker 1: So for those of you just joining us, there's no
34:51
Speaker 1: doubt about it. In my mind, Joe Exotic is going
34:54
Speaker 1: to get a reduced sentence thanks to a missentence by
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Speaker 1: the trial judge regarding the murder for higher plot, Joe
35:04
Speaker 1: Exotic hatched to kill his rival Carol Baskin. Take a
35:10
Speaker 1: listen to Lorie chuckerb at six. It was a show
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Speaker 1: that swept the nation while we were all inside due
35:17
Speaker 1: to COVID. Many people learned about Joe Exotic in Netflix's
35:22
Speaker 1: hit docuseries Tiger King. If you watch the show, you
35:25
Speaker 1: already know he's in jail, but now he's getting resentenced. Well,
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Speaker 1: the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals in Oklahoma has dropped
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Speaker 1: the murder for Higher sentence for Joseph Maldonado Passage, also
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Speaker 1: known as Joe Exotic. Now, according to new court documents,
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Speaker 1: the court upheld the guilty verdict but says he was
35:41
Speaker 1: not sentenced correctly. They say the court says that Joe
35:44
Speaker 1: Exotic must be resentenced. However, he will not be released
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Speaker 1: from prison. In January of twenty twenty, Passage was sentenced
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Speaker 1: to twenty two years in prison for our Murder for
35:54
Speaker 1: Higher plot. Federal prosecutors say he schemed to have prominent
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Speaker 1: animal rights activist Carol Basking killed. So far, there's not
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Speaker 1: been a date set for the resentencing. If you doubt
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Speaker 1: the jury, Verdick, take a listen to Our Friends are
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Speaker 1: written Netflix. This is our cut six. And then Jeff
36:09
Speaker 1: Low goes to Good Work shows a bike path right
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Speaker 1: by Big PA Rescue and stuff, and he was like, all,
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Speaker 1: you get to sit right here and then shoot her
36:18
Speaker 1: while she's riding a bike. So Jeff Low knew more
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Speaker 1: about this thematicus than anything that was because I was
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Speaker 1: the only one smart enough to bring up the picture
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Speaker 1: on Google Earth and show it to Travis. Travis says,
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Speaker 1: I can shoot it from there. I can shoot it
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Speaker 1: from there, and Joe was like, you're not shooting there
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Speaker 1: because you're my husband and you're you'll go to jail forever.
36:42
Speaker 1: Nonet low happening now. Joe talked about killing this woman.
36:54
Speaker 1: If it wasn't a daily basis, it was definitely every
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Speaker 1: week as well. The bitch still lives another day and says,
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Speaker 1: I'm I'll find somebody. He just wasn't shy about it,
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Speaker 1: not shy at all. Take a listen to more. Joe
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Speaker 1: brought it up several times. I know anybody can kill
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Speaker 1: the lady. I just put it off because, you know
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Speaker 1: the bullet. I came into office one day and he's like, well,
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Speaker 1: I got this cross boat. He could use this on
37:20
Speaker 1: her nature trail, wherever she walks. You can shoot her
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Speaker 1: with this and nobody'd ever see it. And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: what the okay he's even walking around floor with a
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Speaker 1: camouflage suit on. Okay, but a crossbow. Give me a break.
37:31
Speaker 1: Alan Glover he's an old time employee of Jeff. Jeff
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Speaker 1: knows him real well, supposedly since he has a tear
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Speaker 1: drop tattoo. He's killed somebody before. Well, Joe caning me
37:42
Speaker 1: one day, just side of the blue. He says, you
37:44
Speaker 1: think Alan could kill somebody? I said, is he capable
37:46
Speaker 1: of it? I said, of course, who's not. I'll cut
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Speaker 1: her head off for you if you want. And he's
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Speaker 1: all into that. I said, you would you let me
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Speaker 1: to bring it back? No? No, get rid of in
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Speaker 1: the swamp? Okay do? Reams and reams of evidence and
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Speaker 1: testimony came before that jury. They concluded Joe Exotic aka
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Speaker 1: the Tiger King, planned a hit on his rival, Carol Baskin. Now,
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Speaker 1: whether you like basking or hate Baskin, whether you believe
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Speaker 1: she murdered her own husband or did not? What about
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Speaker 1: all the animal cruelty charges? We wait for that resentencing,
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Speaker 1: and we wait as justice some folds. Nancy Grace Crime
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Speaker 1: Story signing off, good bye friend,