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Hutton & Withrow: Tim Brando Rips Alabama, Titans Need Nick Saban or Peyton Manning | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 1: We are out of the gates on Sporting State. It
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  Speaker 1: is Hutton Withrow. Glad you're with us. Good morning to you.
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  Speaker 1: Chad Withrow, a well-deserved hour off today. He'll be with
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  Speaker 1: us in an hour from right now. And Timmy B.,
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  Speaker 1: Tim Brando, the legendary voice for college football. He'll be
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  Speaker 1: with us coming up in about 15 minutes. Plenty to
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  Speaker 1: discuss over the next two hours here on Sporting State
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  Speaker 1: and throughout the day here on the Sporting State Network.
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  Speaker 1: We're presented by Hard Rock Bet. I have a suggestion
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  Speaker 1: for Amy Adams Strunk, on who to partner with in
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  Speaker 1: order to save Titans football. A partnership that brings a
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  Speaker 1: championship blueprint, a standard of championships. A partner who brings
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  Speaker 1: a background of someone who's known for winning. And it's
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  Speaker 1: the opposite of what the Titans organization is doing right now.
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  Speaker 1: They lose on Sunday afternoons. This suggestion... would return a
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  Speaker 1: culture where the people in charge can actually lead and
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  Speaker 1: not have to walk on eggshells every single day, waiting
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  Speaker 1: for Burke the Turk to walk down the hall and
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  Speaker 1: deliver the news that they're being fired. I'll tell you
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  Speaker 1: that idea in just a moment. But first, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's important to lay out the football background here, the
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  Speaker 1: failure of football over the course of the last few
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  Speaker 1: years of the organization, and why the Titans have been losers.
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  Speaker 1: And in I don't think they've lost everything as we
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  Speaker 1: sit here today. But they've got to make some adjustments.
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  Speaker 1: Every single statement that Amy Adams Strunk has made since... Really,
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking back to whenever they fired John Robinson. It
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  Speaker 1: lays out a very specific and obvious standard. It is
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  Speaker 1: a standard of winning. It's a standard of championships. That's
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  Speaker 1: the end goal. And if you read the words... She
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  Speaker 1: mentions her extremely high expectations for success, and she does
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  Speaker 1: that a lot. But words only mean something like that
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  Speaker 1: it's fabric if the product matches performance. And right now,
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  Speaker 1: the product is pathetic. We can see that. She can
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  Speaker 1: see that. I think she knows how bad it is.
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  Speaker 1: And right now, it's worse than when she took over
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  Speaker 1: this ownership group and when she became the controlling owner.
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  Speaker 1: And she brought wins back whenever she did that. And
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  Speaker 1: that was the Ken Wisenhunt's miserable portion of the franchise run.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't last that long. He wasn't even here two years,
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  Speaker 1: and that's a theme of this too. But I want
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  Speaker 1: to remember how demanding she was with results. She told
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  Speaker 1: the fan base, year after year, over the last few years,
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  Speaker 1: every two years, however frequent it's been, these guys will
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  Speaker 1: win or they can get paid to go away and
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  Speaker 1: stop messing with my franchise. When they fired John Robinson
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  Speaker 1: in December of 22, she made it clear the ultimate
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  Speaker 1: goal is to raise the standard. She emphasized that the
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  Speaker 1: football of the team, the organization, is strictly measured by results,
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  Speaker 1: wins and losses, and that despite what the Titans had
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  Speaker 1: been doing in the recent success through that run, she
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  Speaker 1: had higher expectations and aspirations for where the team needed
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  Speaker 1: to go. Higher aspirations... needed to be met. And remember
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  Speaker 1: that the team was 7-5 at that moment. Fast forward
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  Speaker 1: to Vrabel. The day she parted ways with him. A
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  Speaker 1: coach of the year. A coach who brought a Titans
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  Speaker 1: identity that was defined league-wide. Right now, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if we can define anything positive offensively. She doubled down
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  Speaker 1: in that statement. She said that the Titans strived to
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  Speaker 1: be a premier franchise. She noted that that she had
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  Speaker 1: disappointment in the previous two seasons, and that it was
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  Speaker 1: just going in the wrong direction. She wanted to go
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  Speaker 1: in a different direction, and she said that she wanted
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  Speaker 1: to tell the fans, absolutely yes, we are going to
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  Speaker 1: compete for championships. No apologies for high expectations, and we
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  Speaker 1: will regularly compete for championships. Wren Carthon pulls the plug there,
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  Speaker 1: and the message was much of the same. We heard
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  Speaker 1: from her through that statement. And she's told the fans
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  Speaker 1: directly that the team's level of performance was completely unacceptable.
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  Speaker 1: And you get the theme. Championships, premier organization, high expectations,
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  Speaker 1: no apologies GTFO. But then something changed. Because when Brian
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  Speaker 1: Callahan was fired, Amy Adams Strunk, the statement in the
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  Speaker 1: standard wasn't there. Instead, we got a statement from Chad Brinker.
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  Speaker 1: Insert job description here for him.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 1: you can see how dramatically things change. Brinker, he skipped
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  Speaker 1: the talk of championships and he focused on patient and
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  Speaker 1: strategic plans and a sustainable strategy that we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: demonstrate sufficient growth. It wasn't good with Callahan. A change
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  Speaker 1: needed to be made, but strategic plan and sustainable growth
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  Speaker 1: for a football program and sufficient effort or performance I mean,
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  Speaker 1: those are phrases businesses use, but it's more like a
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  Speaker 1: quarterly earnings call or a board of directors meeting where
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  Speaker 1: those words are thrown out. It's an entertainment model. It's
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  Speaker 1: a Google-like statement. Look at the timeline. Carthon, fired after
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  Speaker 1: year two. Callahan, fired during year two. And right now,
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  Speaker 1: general manager Mike Borgonzi is entering year two. And the
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  Speaker 1: future timings of all of this is fascinating to me. 2027,
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  Speaker 1: the doors are opening to the brand new state-of-the-art $ 2. 1
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  Speaker 1: billion Nissan Stadium. And right now, the plan was, what,
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  Speaker 1: three years ago, this three-year plan to rebuild. The plan
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  Speaker 1: was to be winning right now as the team moved
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  Speaker 1: in to the new stadium. But as we sit here
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  Speaker 1: right now, the football team has literally never been worse.
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  Speaker 1: It's really gone downhill since that moment. Would Amy Adams
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  Speaker 1: Strunk really want to open year one of this state-of-the-art
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  Speaker 1: stadium with a coach at best sitting on the hot seat,
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  Speaker 1: just like Callahan was, going into year two? If they're
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  Speaker 1: awful again, he's out, and Callahan only got six games
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  Speaker 1: in year two. You can't just suddenly just speak things
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  Speaker 1: into existence. What would happen is that season would be awful.
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  Speaker 1: They would be headed into another three or maybe if
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  Speaker 1: they could get to three wins, three and 13, two
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  Speaker 1: and 14 product. And that is going to be the
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  Speaker 1: attachment to year one of the stadium. Opening that would
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  Speaker 1: be a total embarrassment. And she's headed into that stadium
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  Speaker 1: with a league that doesn't want them in primetime. Networks
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  Speaker 1: don't want that offense. The offense can't even put back-to-back
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  Speaker 1: drives together, let alone win back-to-back games. I think they're
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  Speaker 1: headed for another season where they're going to be on
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  Speaker 1: a primetime preseason game to unveil the stadium. Or Thursday
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  Speaker 1: night football against a team that has a national audience
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  Speaker 1: that's going to come in here and kick their ass
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  Speaker 1: in front of their fans, not Titans fans. They'll have
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  Speaker 1: a new Nissan Stadium takeover. Embarrassment. It's not entertainment. It's
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  Speaker 1: Titans embarrassment. So who should she turn to to run
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  Speaker 1: this organization? How do you fix this broken team? And
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  Speaker 1: how do you get fans back on board with a
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  Speaker 1: team that they just don't like anymore? Amy Adams Strump
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  Speaker 1: needs to look across the Cumberland River and do exactly
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  Speaker 1: what former governor Bill Haslam has put into place with
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  Speaker 1: the Nashville Predators. Haslam brought a different mindset to this.
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  Speaker 1: He went outside the box, but really just went to
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  Speaker 1: a standard that he would bring in decision-making processes. And
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  Speaker 1: he bought the Preds and turned to an all-time great,
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  Speaker 1: a leader, a champion, someone who knows what it takes
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  Speaker 1: to lead and follow a process. He bought into Nick Saban,
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  Speaker 1: and Saban bought in, literally. Literally bought in. He's a
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  Speaker 1: minority owner of the Nashville Predators, and it might not
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  Speaker 1: be widely talked about, but throughout this recent surge, he
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  Speaker 1: was a big part of the general manager hiring. He
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  Speaker 1: interviewed the candidates. Think about Nick Saban. He doesn't coach hockey.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't manage a hockey organization or a roster, but
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  Speaker 1: he manages and coaches a championship level. His standard actually
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  Speaker 1: reflects Strunk's quoted standard. And look what he said. I'm
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  Speaker 1: no expert in hockey. What it takes to have successful organizations,
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  Speaker 1: they want to be successful, the people in this town,
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  Speaker 1: the fans who support it. And he goes on to say, hey, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I want someone who knows how to win titles. And
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  Speaker 1: I get it. The fans get that. It's obvious. But
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  Speaker 1: he has results with this. Saban would work beautifully for
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  Speaker 1: Nashville's NFL franchise. Have the paperwork ready in January. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying Saban is the next head coach. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying he's the next general manager. But instead of
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  Speaker 1: Burke Nihill as the voice of ownership, Saban should be
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  Speaker 1: the leader of football. The leader of a football organization.
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  Speaker 1: Not the team president, as an owner. What if Nick
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  Speaker 1: Saban was offered a percentage of the Tennessee Titans, which
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  Speaker 1: is exactly what Tom Brady just bought into with the
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  Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders? Minority ownership. Have Saban step into the
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  Speaker 1: exact same role where Brady right now is the face
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  Speaker 1: of the franchise he's the decision maker he's an owner
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  Speaker 1: but he is the voice of football about football and
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  Speaker 1: he signs off on the decisions he acts as ownership
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  Speaker 1: because he is ownership just like Saban Peyton Manning At
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  Speaker 1: the very top of my list. And here's another Haslam example.
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  Speaker 1: Manning is tight with Bill Haslam. Tennessee connections, we know.
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  Speaker 1: He's former governor. Manning was also a part of an
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  Speaker 1: organization or I guess a group that wanted to have
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  Speaker 1: an expansion franchise for the WNBA team. Not the Nashville
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  Speaker 1: Balls with Clay Travis, although maybe Clay can call up
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  Speaker 1: Peyton and see what happens. But a group that wanted
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  Speaker 1: to bring a WNBA team to Nashville. Haslam, of course,
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  Speaker 1: owns the Predators. They run the arena. That's where the
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  Speaker 1: WNBA team would have played. You get the picture there.
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  Speaker 1: Offer Peyton minority ownership. The exact model, again, of Brady.
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  Speaker 1: Strunk owns 66% of the Tennessee Titans. She can allow
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  Speaker 1: Manning to buy in at the minimum stake, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: is 11%. That would be the same as the other
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  Speaker 1: owners on the Titans ownership group right now. or buy more,
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  Speaker 1: but she would still remain the controlling owner. And then
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  Speaker 1: you have someone in place that seriously is about football.
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  Speaker 1: And you could also have the entertainment. Uh, let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about the reality of the organization. The reality is the
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  Speaker 1: Titans are, are owned by a family. The family, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and this fan base have never been more disconnected. Um,
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  Speaker 1: they're losing the fan base. They currently are steered in
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  Speaker 1: a direction of, um, of a leader who's about events.
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  Speaker 1: The focus isn't crazy. I get what they're doing. The stadium,
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  Speaker 1: it offers so many more options than the current one.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to have just a handful of concerts
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  Speaker 1: a year and then 10 or nine home games. You
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  Speaker 1: can do a lot more. And the ownership, but they
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  Speaker 1: own everything that's done or profit from under the roof.
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  Speaker 1: Right now it's Titans Entertainment. It is not Titans football.
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  Speaker 1: And football is what the organization does. It's not what
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  Speaker 1: they're about right now. They're about the industry. Titans of industry.
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  Speaker 1: Get back to football. It's time that the football organization
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  Speaker 1: becomes a football organization. Strunk can do that. And she's
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  Speaker 1: pivoted before. It's not like she can't get this back.
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  Speaker 1: She punted on the... Finally, on that structure for the...
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  Speaker 1: For the.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the hierarchy of the organization, the front office structure.
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  Speaker 1: And within that, the structure couldn't even define what Burke
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  Speaker 1: Nyhill did compared to Chad Brinker. Brinker couldn't answer the question.
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  Speaker 1: And it's the structure that Burke came up with. And
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  Speaker 1: now she got back to what she feels comfortable with.
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  Speaker 1: She said that in her statement or in a letter
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  Speaker 1: to fans that the Titans put out. It's not completely lost,
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  Speaker 1: but it's time. That's they get back to focused on winning.
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  Speaker 1: The Titans are losers right now, but they haven't lost everything. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I just think the focus needs to change. And if
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  Speaker 1: you could do that, it doesn't have to be with, uh,
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  Speaker 1: a change in ownership. You just have to have someone
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  Speaker 1: buy in and lead this team where they need to
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  Speaker 1: be focused on the direction of the path that they're
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  Speaker 1: on with the map, because they've, they've lost it. They
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  Speaker 1: took a wrong turn. You can have both focus on both.
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  Speaker 1: And right now the focus is not on both. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I see Timmy B. Timmy B. Tim Brando about to
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  Speaker 1: join us. Can't wait to get into the discussion. We
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  Speaker 1: have his top 15. I'm fascinated to get his thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on that as he prepares for his weekend game about
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  Speaker 1: the matchup between two teams that are coming off of
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  Speaker 1: a loss. One has a high expectation. The other nearly
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  Speaker 1: pulled a big upset. We have plenty to discuss when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to The way that we're headed versus the
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  Speaker 1: Saturday vibe. Because this past Saturday and this upcoming Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: to you. Good morning to you. Thank you for the visit.
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  Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. How have you been?
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  Speaker 2: You bet. I'm great.
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  Speaker 3: Busy.
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  Speaker 2: I've been really busy.
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  Speaker 3: I actually had me bouncing around between college football and
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  Speaker 3: the NFL a little bit this year because of the
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  Speaker 3: baseball playoffs, which was a lot of fun, you know,
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  Speaker 3: getting to be with Drew Brees again and Yeah. The
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  Speaker 3: game didn't quite cooperate. We thought maybe the Jets would
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  Speaker 3: play better against the Bears. But still, it was fun
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  Speaker 3: to be with him on the week before he was
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  Speaker 3: about to go into the Ring of Honor.
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  Speaker 2: And I was happy to step in. That's the role
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  Speaker 2: I play at Fox.
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  Speaker 3: So whenever they call the number, you know, bring the
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  Speaker 3: old left-hander out of the bullpen, I'm happy to help.
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  Speaker 3: But the college game, you know, is still my passion.
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  Speaker 3: I get this question a lot, and I'll just address
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  Speaker 3: it first and foremost. Somebody will always say, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: know you did NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. All right, well, I've been doing it a long time,
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  Speaker 2: and I did NFL games at CBS, too. But they
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  Speaker 2: were regional games, so maybe you didn't always see them.
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  Speaker 2: There was no Red Zone channel back then.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But there is now, and so your voice pops up,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people are going, wow, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know Tim did that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's why here, before the Titans moved here,
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  Speaker 1: I was either watching the Cowboys or the Steelers or
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  Speaker 1: the Packers. That was it. They just hit the market
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  Speaker 1: and covered everything with the big fan bases.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of people, either A, just have such
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  Speaker 3: a strong association with me with college that they're like,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't follow the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Hell, I don't follow the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: I've followed it my entire career, and it's really the
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  Speaker 3: only pro sport that I've cared about in the last
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  Speaker 3: 25 years probably.
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  Speaker 2: I keep up with the NFL. But calling ball is
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  Speaker 2: calling ball.
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  Speaker 3: And the NFL, anyone that believes that the NFL– is
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  Speaker 3: harder to call than a college game is.
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  Speaker 2: Out of their minds.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Out of their minds.
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  Speaker 1: There are 45 guys on a roster. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: 53 total, but eight are inactive for every game. When
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  Speaker 3: you go and do a college football game, your board
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  Speaker 3: barely has room. And my board is the biggest in
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  Speaker 3: the business. It barely has room for anything more than
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  Speaker 3: two deep. And in college, they go three deep, three
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  Speaker 3: and a half to four deep. And if the game's
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  Speaker 3: a blowout, here come the walk-ons. So you better know,
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  Speaker 3: you better know about 90 to a hundred guys. So it's, it's,
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  Speaker 3: it's a much easier game to call than, than college football.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 3: So, uh, the reaction I see on the internet sometimes is, um,
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  Speaker 3: is funny. Of course, some people are just pissed because,
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  Speaker 3: oh my God, there's a college football announcer doing my game.
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  Speaker 2: You know, no, honest to God.
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  Speaker 1: It's a snobbery. What are they pissed about Herbstree? Do
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  Speaker 1: you think?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's on digital, so it's not quite the same.
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  Speaker 3: You don't get the same reaction because over-the-air network television
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  Speaker 3: to the folks watching in the Midwest area, in the
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  Speaker 3: Chicago area, they're like, well, I'm accustomed to seeing these guys.
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  Speaker 2: Who's this guy? They don't watch college football.
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  Speaker 1: Hey.
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  Speaker 2: So they don't care about college football, but I do.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing, too, that people may not know, the
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  Speaker 1: media policy in the NFL, you're going to get the
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  Speaker 1: head coach, you're going to get players, you will have
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  Speaker 1: those media.
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  Speaker 2: Access, access.
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  Speaker 1: You get that at some colleges, not all.
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  Speaker 2: Not all.
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  Speaker 1: Vanderbilt went four weeks. They're still going without the quarterbacks talking.
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  Speaker 1: It's way different.
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  Speaker 3: The standards that the NFL has make it so much more–
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  Speaker 3: accessible to the announcers because there are standards that television
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  Speaker 3: must have and there are standards that the organizations must
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  Speaker 3: have with television. And I've told our people, and for
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  Speaker 3: years I've said this, whether it was at CBS or
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  Speaker 3: at Fox, in these television contracts that we do moving forward,
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  Speaker 3: we need to put standards in there that require the
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  Speaker 3: coaches and the coordinators and at least an offensive player
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  Speaker 3: and a defensive player available to the television people every week.
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  Speaker 2: Every week.
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  Speaker 3: And that's not much to ask when you consider the
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: billions of dollars that television funnels into these universities every year.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: No doubt. I would trade the halftime interview for that.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: In a heartbeat. Off camera. To me, the on camera,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I don't learn much from that at all. It's way
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: more beneficial for fans, too, to have.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: That access than the halftime interview.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Hey, you've got the Timmy B's top 15. I want
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to go through this with you. because we've had a
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: little topsy-turvy weekend of more coming this upcoming weekend as well.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Georgia number one, tell me your thought process about Indiana
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: and where you have Bama coming off the loss versus
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: You know, you've got the Ohio State behind Texas, for instance.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I know that they have the head-to-head win. That's probably
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: factoring in. But help me with Miami-Notre Dame ahead of Indiana.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I just think that they right now are better football teams,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: at least in terms of the way they've performed up
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: until this point.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Indiana's schedule has worked against them.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I think that, first of all, Northwestern was a better
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: team than I think everyone expected them to be.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: But the Northwestern game at the time definitely hurt Indiana
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: in the polls. And it was going to hurt them
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: in the polls because no one really thought of them
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: as being as powerful a team at that time as
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: they clearly are. I mean, let's give Coach Braun a
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: lot of credit. That team is really good. But Indiana
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: didn't play well in that game. And I think part
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: of the reason for it was the soft non-conference schedule
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: leading up to it. I don't think for that game,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: They were adequately prepared in real game time to be
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: the kind of team that we thought they'd be when
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: they played Northwestern. So I dropped them about six spots.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I think I dropped them or five spots down to
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: number six. So they've worked their way back up. by
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: their performance recently because I think Nebraska is really good.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Nebraska is– and there are no elite teams here. Like
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I'm hearing just after the Georgia-Alabama game.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Now part of this is just the narrative that's created.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And I get it. The mouthpiece. Everyone wants to create
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: a narrative every week.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: There are no– I repeat, no elite teams here. When
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: you hear these good old boys coming on the afternoons
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: on ESPN's SEC Network saying, those teams right there now,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: they're elite. Those are elite teams right there now. The
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: hell they are.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: No one is elite right now. No one. There are
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of really good teams out there. Really good teams, Jonathan.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: But there aren't any great teams right now.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: And after last week, which we thought we might get
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: some answers, I guess I still have more questions going
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: into week seven that I haven't answered. Georgia is, I think,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: worthy of being number one because they went on the road,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: the circumstances were different, and yeah, okay, maybe there was
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: a call at the end that might have appeared to
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: be outrageous to some.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you, I've.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Seen pass interference calls in the past made when that happened,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: but I've also seen a lot of no calls when
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: a player was absolutely mugged much more so than Alabama
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: receiver was then.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: So had the, had.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: The defender really come in strong, maybe raised his, his
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: elbows and, and, and launched himself into, he ran into
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: the guy. He ran into him. No, he didn't turn around.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: And a lot of times not having your head turned
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: means you're going to be flagged, but it's a subjective
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: opinion of an official each time. And That's why the
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: flag wasn't thrown. Had it been more egregious, then I
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: think no question it would have been. But he wasn't
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: overly physical with the contact.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Had it been saving coaching, I think the flag comes out.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: And that's where the Bammers have such a problem.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: They're accustomed to it.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Alabama fans are accustomed to getting that call always. So
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: they didn't get it this time. Well, welcome to the
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: rest of the world, Alabama. You no longer have the
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: GOAT on the sidelines, okay? But you know what's really
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: funny about it to me? And I knew this would happen,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: and they're so predictable. They're so predictable, Jonathan. You knew
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: they'd be saying, well, by God, we like Kalen DeBoer now.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: He just chewed out that kid, said he cost me
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: the game. You cost us the game. See, they love that.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: They love it when the coach loses it and starts
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: bullying one of his players.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: They love that. Why? Because Nick did that.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Now, that's not Kalen's normal personality. It's not his normal characteristics. But, okay, yeah,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: he's been under the gun a little bit. So maybe
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: he was pushed to the edge because he's tired of
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: people being pissed at him for being.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Too laid back. So he let her rip.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: So now, even in defeat, he's currying favor from the
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Alabama fan base. That is without question. And listen, I'm
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: a conservative. I'm not a crazy conservative, but I'm a conservative.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: But, you know, getting in the face of a player
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: and chewing his ass out, to me, doesn't qualify you
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: as being the GOAT or the next GOAT or whatever, okay?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: But it's so predictable that Alabama fans would feel all
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: of a sudden now, this is our guy, after they
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: have been vilifying him for an entire season leading up
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: to that very moment when they actually lose a game,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: but they're happier because of it.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: You know, Tim, throughout the entirety of Saban's run, the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: vast majority, that player doesn't do that, right? I think
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: what happened at the end of that game is something
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: we saw with Florida whenever they had a downturn. They
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: had rosters that were doing things like that, and they
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: lost games, throwing cleats and stuff like that. That's a
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: bad sign. I'm not saying it has to necessarily snowball,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: but you lose that game because of that, because of
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that minute detail of just not retaliating. It's a sign.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Georgia's not doing that for a reason.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And I think that maybe what the Alabama
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: fans are also going to have to find out is
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: that because this does happen in the Southeastern Conference, it does.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: These referees, all these officials are from somewhere in the South.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: They are. Yeah. Yeah. And this is one of the
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: reasons why we need to nationalize. This is another issue.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: We need to nationalize officiating so we can remove that
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: veil of impropriety that's out there. We need to not
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: have supervisors of officials in every conference.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: We need to have one. One universal potentate of officials.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: We need to have a big-time guy that is universally
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: in charge of all officiating.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: But Kirby Smart is now Saban in that league. He
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: absolutely is. I mean, he's playing the role of Saban.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: And Like it or not, he's been around a long
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: time as a player and as a coach. Some of
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: those officials probably have best friends or guys that they
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: were mentored by that were refereeing in the 90s when
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Kirby was playing. at Georgia when I was calling games
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: on Jefferson pilot in the nineties.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you that the familiarity with a guy that's
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: been in the league that long is always going to
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: help a guy. And Kirby has that. And by the way,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: he's earned that over time. I, I don't, and he
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: should use it. I'm not saying he shouldn't use it.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Uh, the, the, you know, the fan base, like what,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: what the boarded, uh, Georgia's fans absolutely love the wind.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: They also love the first down, you know, Tomahawk. Oh yeah, absolutely. Hey,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: so OU wins, and we see yesterday Sark defending Arch.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Where do you come away with Texas at that performance?
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: By the way, I picked Texas to win, and I
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: didn't think OU's offense was going to do anything. I
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: also picked Texas because I thought Arch would meet the
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: moment the way he did the fourth quarter against Ohio State.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: By what Sark has said about it, if there's any
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: different last name on the jersey that he would be praised,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that. But also, Mateer is a
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: good example. He's not praised, but he had a great
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: game against Texas and was actually doing what I thought
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: he would do when he went to Norman.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mateer looked like Mateer, the one we used to see.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: And we had not seen that in games prior. And
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: part of that might have been injury related, okay? But
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: I do think that he reasserted himself. And now Oklahoma,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: that's a season saver. I like the way you do
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: your top 15. You have them where you have the
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: just out. But again, I like that because it's week
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: to week. You change, you flow with it like that's
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: how it should be.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll see teams move seven, eight spots in mind.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is how it should be.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Once the season gets started.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: But I'm also not going to drop a team unless
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I see what I think is a performance that's not
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: worthy of a number one, two, or three ranking. Like
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: after the Northwestern game, Indiana needed to drop. They needed
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: to drop significantly. So I dropped them, and now they're
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: slowly kind of working their way back. But again, the
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: fans don't know what I know, and that is the
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: teams they're playing are really good even if they don't know.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: They're really good.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: I think that's the thing that just jumps out at
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: the top of the poll is, yeah, I see that
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Texas lost the game, but I also know that that
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: is the rivalry game and they shouldn't drop that far. Now,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: when I hear someone say, gosh, I would only drop
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: them to, you know, I would only drop them a
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: spot or two spots or like, for instance, some voted
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Georgia number one, but Alabama number two this week. What?
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: What?
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Alabama was given what they were given in preseason because
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: of who they are, not because of what they've done.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: And that still is in the minds of a lot
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: of these AP voters.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: But I will tell you, if you look at my
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: just-out category, it's about twice the size of what it
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: would normally be.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be as critical.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Of AP voters now as I once was, Jonathan, because
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: right now, between, say, And I'll start with, say, number eight,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: where I've got Utah and BYU stacked.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: From that point to about 30.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: 32, it's about the same.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: It's about the same.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: And if ever there was a year where you have
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: a telling sign to indicate to people why a 2014
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: playoff really would work, this is it.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, look at the balance that's out there.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: There are so many really good teams that that people
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: don't know that much about. The Big 12 is at
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: the very top of that list.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Houston is the most.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: You've seen many of these teams.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Houston is the most undervalued team in America. Connor Wigman
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: is the best quarterback that gets the least publicity. Willie
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Fritz is the best coach that gets the least amount
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: of credit for being a great coach. Do I need
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: to remind people what he did at Tulane in 22?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: No. He beat Caleb Williams.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: It took a Tulane team to win the Cotton Bowl
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: over a USC team with a Heisman Trophy winner.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, now he's at Houston.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they lost that game to Texas Tech by like
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: two inches in a Friday night game that we had
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: about a month ago. And that was their only loss.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: That's their only loss of the year. Kansas State is
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: not a horrible team.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: They're not.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: They went in there and absolutely torched them. The Kansas
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: State defense against the pass was number one in the
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: country before the game started.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: They got a tight end.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Patrick Overmeyer caught four touchdown passes in that game. I
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: don't think many people know who Overmeyer is. I'll tell you,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: NFL scouts know who he is. He's probably going to
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: be a first-round draft pick. He's that good.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Coming up, we're going to dive into a discussion about
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the upcoming schedule. This weekend, I love it. I get
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: to kick back. I put four games on each TV.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Past midnight, we can take you through that.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: If you're going to the game, if you're covering the game,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: if you're calling the game, you don't get to see
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: these great matchups unless you're putting EBR on. This is
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: an EBR-proof sport. I love it. I want to know
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: where you stand on it. We also need to discuss
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: your matchup this weekend and where these two teams could
• 32:15
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• 32:19
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• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Nebraska at Oregon. So, hey... I know you're already prepping.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: You've never stopped that. You enjoy it. Live on Fox,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: we're going to get this matchup. I can't wait to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: watch this because of the way Nebraska played. The Matt
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Rule storyline of, like, when are we going to see
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: this pick up? And now they're playing well. Oregon, meanwhile,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not expecting the record that I see. And they
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: started slow last year, too. So playing at home probably
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: factors in, but quarterback play and much more does as well.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: So the biggest question of the week up until this
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: point is how in the hell did this game wind
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: up on at that time?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: That's the number one question. Well, here it is.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: All right. In a nutshell, college football now has way
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: too many scheduling snafus that need to be addressed moving forward.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: And I believe will be once we finally address the,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: the big problem that we have with the CFP going
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: to 24 teams, but they're going to do this. It's
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: going to happen. All right. Um, We're going to have
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: more intersectional games and we're going to need some adjustments
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: to conference schedules and the big 10, the sec, the
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: big 12 and the ACC all need to get together
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: and look at games that are always going to be
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: high end marquee games that everyone circles.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: We know what those games are. You can't have six teams,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: six games involving top 25 teams. playing one another week
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: after week after week.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: We can't do that.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: We've got the schedule for this weekend, to your point.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: There it is.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the thing that jumps out, the decision-making process,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: those are the marquee games, yes. But why did the
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: game that we have fall where it did back on
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Fox when both CBS and NBC are picking second and third? Well,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: because Michigan and Penn State, despite their records and despite
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: the fact that both of them, I think we would
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: safely be able to say– are not in the mix
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: right now for the 12-team college football playoffs, are the
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: biggest brands, two of the biggest brands in all of
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: college football.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: They are ratings monsters, okay?
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: After Ohio State and the Big Ten, no teams get
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: bigger numbers than Michigan and Penn State.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: So CBS this week is picking third.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: They rotate between the second and third picks with NBC
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: every week. That's the way the contract is built, which
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: means network, over-the-air television, From the time noon hits with
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: big noon, and that, of course, is the big game
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: this week, Indiana and Ohio State for Joel and Gus.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: So the fact that that fourth game is as good
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: as this one is between Nebraska and Oregon, that's part
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: of the scheduling process that I think can be fixed,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: that can be repaired. They need to spread these games out.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: with marquee teams that we know. And if you did
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: an NFL scheduling approach where you had real good people
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: that know a little something about scheduling and how to
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: maximize the opportunities for viewers to see the best games
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: week after week after week, we wouldn't have these weeks
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: where there's all these great games and then other weeks
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: where it's like, oh man, where are some good games?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I can't find them.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I think would happen, though?
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: We don't have these kinds of matchups, too.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I think we would end up having games on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think we want that.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: So we need to spread the schedule out so teams
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: that bring that kind of marquee value are spread out.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: But that's the reason the game wound up where it did.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: And I predicted to our guys at Fox, I said,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: you know, they're still going to take Penn State and Michigan.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: In that 330 window, which is what CBS has, that's
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: a business decision that's a better business decision for them.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: And regardless of what happened to them the last couple
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: of weeks, they were going to take that game over
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: going out to do teams that lost the prior week.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Oregon's coming off a home loss. Nebraska is coming off
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: a home loss. but they both have great stories to tell.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Oregon can't afford another loss.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: They can't.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: They're supposed to be in the playoff, which means they
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: got to win every game now. And Nebraska is still
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: looking for that elusive, get over the hump, big win.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: And the irony here is I think they are capable
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: of beating Oregon, and yet Oregon won't be ranked.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: So that stat about the O for the last 31,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: it gets arranged. It wouldn't change.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Even though we know that or Oregon is the team
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: that is a, you know, a perennial top 25 team,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: top 15, top 10 team. So it's still beneficial for
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Nebraska to win the game. The storylines here are incredible.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: The w what are they going to do with Ryola
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: at Oregon? He w he left Nebraska Husker fans can't
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: stand him because he didn't produce after being such a
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: celebrated freshman coming in. Ryola did the right thing, but
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: you see what happened when he started, he didn't deliver
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: when he had to come in because of injury, man,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: he looked like people were anointing him as, you know,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: a first round draft pick this year after.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: The way he played. See, we, everybody just remembers what
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: happened most recently.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: And they don't understand the consistency issues that we have sometimes,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: particularly at the mission-critical position. And now, without Iyamaya Lava,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: who is hurt and out for a good part of
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: the time, it looks like Diefenbach is going to be
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: the guy, the guy that was fighting with Madden Iyamaya Lava,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: the brother of Niko, to be the starter. And boy,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: did he look good when he came in, made the
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: big pass that turned out to be the game-winner. So,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: The storylines for this game that we've got are impeccable.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: And Devin and I are both excited about it.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, I love the late games. But, you know, hey,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: speaking of schedule, I'm curious about this. When the networks
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: are selecting these games, is there a conference call or
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: is this just like, hey, stack the games you want
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: to order and everyone gets selected based on who drafts
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: which game and you get your top game that's listed next?
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: How does that go down? And the fact that, like,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Clay has said and talked with people that Tennessee is
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: pissed off for greatness. that they didn't get a night
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: game here with Alabama this week. Like how much of
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: that chatter do you hear?
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Well, y'all all, all the time. We hear it always. Okay.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Fans are going to be pissed no matter what.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Uh, and, uh, as it relates to the conversations, those
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: conversations happen preseason when the drafting of games begins, there's
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: an overall draft of best games that, that the networks have, um,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: And that's where there.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Is cooperation between ESPN and Fox. You've got the kickoff
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: time and stuff. Yeah, with the Big 12 especially.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Now, it's NBC, CBS, and Fox, obviously, with the Big 10.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: So the conversations are held then. We were in a
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: six-day mode. I didn't know until Sunday afternoon at about
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: 2.30 or 3 o'clock which game we were going to
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: get because it took that long for CBS to determine
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: they were going to stay with that Michigan-Penn State game,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: which is what they did.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: But....
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: No, the conversation stops once the season gets rolling. So
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: you're picking usually on Monday for the game Saturday week,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: which is 12 days out.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: But because of the balance this year, we've got another six.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Days this week coming up.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: It's TVA for a week from Saturday for us again.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: And because of the balance that's out there and because
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: how games this week affect interest levels for the games
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: next week, you have to wait for six days. and
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: let those games this weekend play out. I do have
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: a little bone to pick with Clay about something. I'm
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: glad you mentioned his name.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: And by the way, you know we're friends.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: We've known each other for quite a while.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: But he was talking about, you know, the early games
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: and how he brought up that– you remember those games
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: in the 90s, those Jefferson Pilot games?
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Those games that were on at 1230 and– And it
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: was always Mississippi and Vanderbilt.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Clay, his memory is hurting him just a little bit.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: And I'll remind Clay that I did those games for
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: a three-year period before I went to CBS and after
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I left ESPN. In those days, that was during the
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: College Football Association days, the CFA days. And CBS had
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: the number one pick in the CFA, which meant all
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: the teams outside of the Big Ten and Pac-10.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: So ACC, SEC, Big Eight at the time, later Big 12.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Big 12, yeah. And Notre Dame. Those were all members
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: of the CFA.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: So Musburger's game in the afternoon and Ron Franklin and
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Mike Gottfried's game in primetime Generally speaking, we're going to
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: be SEC games or at least 65, 70% of the
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: time we're going to be SEC games. Now this was
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: before they added A & M in Missouri, before they
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: added Texas and Oklahoma. So it was a smaller conference
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: at that time, but there were only three games being televised.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: So after that, if you wanted to see a game that,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: not involving the six teams that were going to be
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: on one of those three networks. The Jefferson pilot game
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: was an sec only game.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Yes. Going to a region of the country.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: But if you weren't in one of those three games,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: you were going to play in that game and that
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: game only the other games either weren't televised or they
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: were on closed circuit cable television in your low, in
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: your locale.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: The schools could produce the game the way they wanted
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: and present it to their fans.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: And, I had games like LSU, Florida. I had an Auburn,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Georgia game once.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: South Carolina was hot one year, and they were playing Tennessee.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Peyton Manning's game with Kentucky, I mean, it was a
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: track meet, one of the greatest games ever played for
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: the beer barrel between Tim Couch and Peyton Manning. In fact,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I thought it was going to win Peyton the Heisman Trophy.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: That game was on Jefferson Pilot.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: That game was on Jefferson Pilot. Now the following week.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I was also doing, this was before I went in
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: to host the college football today. So it was 97.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: The final game that Peyton played at home was against Vanderbilt.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: What caused him to Heisman was Woody Woodenhofer's defense with
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Corey Javis and all those guys. They were like the
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: number seven defense in the country. Woodenhofer's defense snuffed out Manning,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Terry Fair, Peerless Price, all those guys. I mean, they
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: had an unbelievable team, great running backs too. You remember
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: how good they were. But they were stifled in that game,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: and that was the day that Woodson went off with
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: the interception.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Pick six, punt return for touchdown in the game with
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Ohio State. That's what cost Manning anything.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: The Heisman in my view that that final weekend, but the,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: the Tim couch Peyton Manning tracked me and it was
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: a hell of a game. Tennessee had to score a
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: bunch to win that game. I did that game on
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Jefferson Pilot. So those games that were on JP weren't
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: always bad games. They weren't substandard games, but that's because
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: it was the third possible game that you could have
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: televised in the SEC. Well, now every game's televised. So
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: that was the world we were in 30 years ago.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: And people weren't bitching about the Jefferson pilot game the
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: way they bitch about being on CBS or NBC or
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: ESPN or ABC at noon.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: They didn't bitch about it. They were happy, except in
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Baton Rouge.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: I got booed in Baton Rouge every time LSU played
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: an 1130 game.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I'm from Louisiana. And it was like, get the hell
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: out of here. What are you doing here?
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: I couldn't even get a sniff of good jambalaya when
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I was coming up.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Through the tailgate parties. It was awful.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Coming up, I'm going to get to some stories of
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the past. I love your stories. I'm going to ask
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: you during the break if you have some stories about
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: a particular person coming up. So the Kentucky storylines. And
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the LSU storyline, the two coaches and what we've seen,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: especially straight ahead here on Hutton and Withrow.