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Talks to Dave Rennie about his choice of The Almost People (2/2) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who commentary
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  podcast where I can't remember the last time I've had this much
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  fun slagging something off with my dear friend.
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  Dave Rennie who enjoys the story that we're watching.
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  So I shall try and be gentle. I'm doing good job, very good.
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  I mean, surely after watching that first episodes, you've
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  appreciate a bit more at least. Well no actually I was looking
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  at you for most snowed so that was a visual Feast.
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  Every time I glimpsed at the screen, I want to shut my eyes
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  and go to sleep. But it's a compliment.
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  And so in there? Yes, she said, yeah, well, I
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  guess so now, look, I've managed to gaze so far, right?
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  Yeah, that you like the premise of the story.
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  You like the atmosphere of the story, if you like the look at
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  the story you haven't actually said what you think about the
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  sort of the Season as a whole and this very structured Arc.
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  Season six. For me, I've kind of had 180
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  degree releases from effect and that when season 6 was first in
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  the tail here, don't like at all.
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  I was having arguments with something.
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  What about he thought it was the greatest season that there have
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  been since it came back and I was saying no, are you mad?
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  And but then I got the box set at Christmas that year and I
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  watched it all know. We're not again.
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  And yeah, there's some episodes that are not as good as dollars.
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  Let's just say, I'm not funny one or two stories, but our joy
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  it and got much more in fact than a dead watching on the
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  little transmission that this season was deliberately is
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  tailored to, you know, like going on the Netflix and senior
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  season. And I wanna Benji, Benji,
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  definitely because the whole thing of it River Song and all
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  the little seeds that are float. I mean, when I was little
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  transmission, I was lost. I think by this story wouldn't
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  have was going on, you know, doctors dying.
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  What's going on? Em so yeah, I mean it's not it's
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  going to season 5 that's for sure but it's certainly better
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  than season 7 B, which I've already sort of just oh, it's
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  just not mine. That's the worst season from you
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  yet since it came back. I mean, it's no secret for me to
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  say that six is my least favorite and I say for I think
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  so I think six is Matt is massively ambitious and Ashley,
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  I think for something that has Doctor Who's format, IE show
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  that can go absolutely anywhere, you know, past future present to
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  have such a tightly woven narrative through, so sort of a
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  diverse premise of a series, like this, It's really, really
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  tricky thing to pull off and I don't think he pulls it off.
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  I think he over promises and he under delivers.
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  And I think some of the twists are a bit obvious and it gets a
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  bit muddy and over complicated and there are a lot of rooms but
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  I do admire the ambition because I think this was never done
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  again. I can see why it was never done
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  again, but I think the fact that it was attempted, it was really
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  bold to do it. Yeah, I certainly hope to watch
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  The Impossible Astronaut, remember watching that when it
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  first came out, quite a few times because at the standard
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  pickup war on Earth was going on and I think the break in the
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  middle. Then helpful.
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  When I either to be honest it can also cause you ain't a
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  second half and you're hoping and remember things that yet,
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  unless she had the Box, a of the first topics of think, with of
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  kid, my before the second half, he looked probably, but let's
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  really try to remember the things up.
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  That's why you see what she did, you know, one earlier.
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  Owen was just such much more rewarding because it was Ray.
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  Okay, getting a stable, only watch the episode 5 episodes
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  ago, like a couple of years older than eight months.
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  My biggest hindrance here is I'm not on board massive stocks are
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  I don't like with the song and I don't like anyway so that's like
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  three of my four sets of brick. And that's the main focus of
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  this season. It is basically all about them.
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  Everything else is a little bit Superfluous.
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  I mean, he gets to bit of a season 7, but certainly, yeah.
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  I was totally as I've alluded to many times.
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  Like Rory, you can do so much better than me.
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  Come on, like a mug. And what you're doing is the
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  worst example that I think is, it's the bit in the end of
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  vampires of Venice where she goes army with my boys, why?
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  She's like I am going to choose one of you.
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  I yeah, those 04 lost all of that, but it's More to wait to
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  show the doctors at the end with inflation story.
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  I play cyber Prima upper right. You can have a ramp at the end
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  of this episode as it is. You don't need to transfer one
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  episode as just. Oh my God, isn't it?
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  And he's, and he's marrying her. I mean, God, we love the Lord,
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  he bought his, she's twisted, and ruined a little finger.
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  I'm sorry. But that's why in this story
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  like, when Jane, whether it's because she's wearing a bit
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  loopy or whether she genuinely, he has feelings for any sort of,
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  you know, as expected as an infection because she goes up
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  something mind and this episode, but it's actually quite good to
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  see him again at a strong medicine and she does not like
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  whatsoever when you're always going off to cuddle her and help
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  her out. And it's not any sympathy.
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  Matt Smith season 7 be. As I said that, I just saw just
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  know, I don't know what they were doing.
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  I still think he's pretty good in this.
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  The story I thought is, it's not my favorite doctor but she's
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  anyone gets a chance to Sparkle in this Ayah are all written
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  kind of dour and serious and I like I think Amy and the dr.
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  Monroe at their best. You know, that scene in a good
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  man goes to war. Now, I'll just my female things
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  a lot of bollocks. I could never seen it, where
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  they all come together, where they, they find her with the
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  baby and they all come on, and it's hilarious.
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  And Heartwarming and beautifully and you can feel the Chemistry
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  Between the there's no, no, it's just absent.
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  By, but the that out. Yeah, nothing much happens in
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  sleep. No more.
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  Really. Sorry Joe.
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  And I mean Joe is obviously. Yeah, sure, yeah.
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  So sure is his name forward to do that one morning doctor here.
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  My mind went blank, but don't tell me Doctor Who's worst when
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  it just nothing's happened. I don't think there's nothing up
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  in here, because of stuff going on that, you know, do realize
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  that this one very nice to watch Doctor.
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  Who before we go quickly, just go back to the arc very quickly.
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  Yeah, because I think the fundamental problem with this
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  Arc is it's not that it's over complicated, which it is.
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  It's not, it's on Unsatisfying which it is it's the fact that I
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  think it beats Doctor Who into a shape, it should never go into.
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  I do not want to think about two companions fucking in the Tardis
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  and that is where this season starts.
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  I do not want to think about the doctor murdering His companion
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  that's where this story ends. Like, and when, when the rabbit
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  hole, you're diving down, takes you to those places Amy at the
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  end of the season when she murders, madame kovarian And
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  that isn't commented on that isn't criticized.
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  All right. What is the show become?
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  Is it about fucking and killing people now?
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  Like, it's even more flat dead overly sexualized.
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  This I don't know, quite what he seems obsessed with sex.
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  Will stop that guy. You just don't know.
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  It's just have a wank for god sakes.
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  Will you write your scripts have a wank?
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  Sorry, Lucy. Okay, all right, okay, I'm Tom
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  Antion, which lets go into second episode Yeah, I've just
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  thought of our board and dr. Doodle, do women who want Well,
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  that's very boring, isn't it? But nothing literally nothing
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  happened. Let's do, they're walking around
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  and he meets a line from and that's nothing happens.
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  And Rufus Hound Trace inject. Some comedy in it, but it's just
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  eyes, terrifyingly boring. And here's a lovely as well.
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  He's oh, yeah. Oh that's toe dries.
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  And, and this is even more boring than those to know
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  anything. Well, tell me this is what's
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  near to Joe, come on. Wedding of River Song often that
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  is the nadir of the new series. I mean, it's a logical, it is is
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  looting, but nothing makes sense.
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  Jumping from one place to another without any kind of
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  narrative running through the character bestow run through
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  people. Behave appallingly, I was just
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  awful. Anyway, I'm going to stop
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  whinging. Let's watch the almost people
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  that's, this is the bit, but what about episode in the middle
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  of a song? Oh God, do we have to 5 4, 3, 2,
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  1. You know what's good though?
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  Right is wherever we go next. Yeah, I ain't never going to be
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  as dull as this, so whatever we do next all I was going to do
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  the woman who loves next? I'm joking.
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  Okay so we got a recap now on episode 1.
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  Yes. Oh so it's all vinegar going on.
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  Would you do me a favor? Would you recap for the audience
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  and who may not have listened to our episode 1?
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  I don't know why they come to as to what occurred during episode
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  1. Well, the doctor his companions
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  of Well, indeed, at Castle storing complex, which is main
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  are sent to go at them Inland and they use angles, so they use
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  the this flesh stops. That looks like, well, we're
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  going to wait for all that to sort of make duplicates where
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  they can maintain a certain set of him.
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  There's a big electrical storm which means that the Gang has
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  actually become hard way of than become real people.
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  And there's been a bit of a one of the real people killed one of
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  the guy knows and there's so there's a conflict there and
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  then it just to make things even matter.
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  At the end of the episode, there's a gang or Doctor Who's
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  arrived as well. I sneaked a sexy voice ladies
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  and gentlemen, honestly, I could listen to you read our shopping
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  list. Oh I've always marked out there
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  with the northern on with the kids with the sexy accent.
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  What Mark told you. Yeah.
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  Well yes, very sexy as well and that's my mark - it sounds very
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  sexy as well. I'm not the sexy voices, I've
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  got on this thing. Also, we've seen the doctor is
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  having arguably have self sort of know that I quite like this,
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  because I can understand it, but I suspect that you've completed
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  this. Why was that?
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  Why did you suspect? I hate this because a bit,
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  you'll see might suffice Lakes what it gonna be around here.
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  Oh, I've lost you for a second, still there.
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  Hello. Another title sequence.
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  Oh, I completely lost you for a second there.
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  You can have to say all that again.
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  Or my internet connection is unstable.
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  Are we still there? I lost you for about 30 seconds.
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  You're gonna have to say that entire Point again.
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  Okay, well I think I'll bet you you're thinking Matt Smith's
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  gone around and shouting and all the rest of it.
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  But for the gang or doctor, it makes sense because he's trying
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  to make sense of what's going on.
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  And he steamed into the title sequence which is just kicked
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  off. Actually, I'm going to screw
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  view unsurprisingly because I do rather like this sequence.
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  Yeah. Do you remember you remember
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  nightmare in silver, when Matt Smith goes up against himself
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  and it's some of the worst acting you've ever seen it.
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  Dr. Ooh, when he's playing what's-his-name mr.
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  Clever, that's so clever. You awful anyway, off all these
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  things. He managed to differentiate the
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  two characters. Quite well and he's having a bit
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  of fun at the beginning of this episode, it's quite actually
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  quite all right for once. Well, that's a positive.
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  See, you can see positive things with us.
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  I like this one a little bit more but then wait, they start
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  doing incredibly morally ambiguous things with Amy in a
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  minute. Okay, Carter.
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  So because I'm not saying the first episode when I've done
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  that Rory in this because he's a Two, and he's tricked other
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  like, a me in this because she treats, what she thinks is the
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  gang. A doctor really badly?
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  Yeah, I think she ever been that person where she's like, oh,
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  fuck you. This is my doctor here and it's
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  obviously not that scary. I agree she's very Prejudiced
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  and us which is but I think that's supposed to hail a table
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  which they gained the whole minorities thing.
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  And like, It begs the question of those, two of you and then
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  you have more affection for one than the other.
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  What does that say about you? She said, she's a bitch.
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  I love this but let's hope that the two doctors talk each other.
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  That's always fun. Hmm.
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  I don't disagree. No, it's quite.
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  And it's quite witty as a little bit of wit here for once, but
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  you know, which bit I really did.
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  Like Dave was the bit where our doctor does.
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  She thinks is the ganga doctor slams her, quite abusive lie
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  against a wall and start screaming enough.
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  I'm like yeah, I was going to get her.
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  That I yeah, it's over-the-top. I don't know why.
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  The doctor was that far, I can understand.
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  Maybe trying to do the pretends to kinda it because he's trying
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  to sure that, you know, don't be pleasure.
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  That's basically, but it doesn't have to I'm against the wall and
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  a tell that it's pretty abusive. And yes I do.
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  Good point. Anything out of a hat, do you
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  remember Tom Baker and lalla Ward you know dancing about
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  Paris having fun together and while skin in each other's
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  company. What we've come to a point now
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  where the doctor slams, His companion against the wall and
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  then murders are at the end of the episode.
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  I mean, what's happened? It's going to if you straight
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  back to be the going on and he's making out at the gang or just
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  went crazy which is also bad. So I'm not quite Yeah, he goes
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  over the top. I don't know why they didn't way
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  that was pure and quickly. There's a lot that I didn't like
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  watch it and especially a man throwing a woman against the
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  wall like that. I thought it was quite
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  unpleasant. Yeah.
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  So this is this is one of the things I was talking about where
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  they cut, they cut a bit out here.
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  So Cleaves is obviously suffering from our you know,
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  blood clot at this point but she goes in and by this point the
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  gang on Cleves is when it's like she's cannot be bothered with us
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  fate and all that she just wants a quiet.
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  Life. But she goes into the tunnels
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  and those are bet that was cut it where she says that she's
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  claustrophobic. And again I think that was
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  obviously 275 is where the character but they cut that out.
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  So it just seems like when I watched it that the characters
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  you know just sort of changes and becomes more pleasant.
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  Same goes on in there's no reason that comes back to
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  something that Joan maths has said one second Venture.
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  I was a very small convention in Bryson and he said when he was
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  writing mummy on the Orient Express and Flatline whenever
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  they were Running. It was always the character
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  stuff that got cut out the plot beats in.
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  Well, I think in a story like this where again we're talking
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  about identity, taking the carrot stuff out, is a bit of a
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  hindrance. Yeah, I think it was a mistake
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  because as I said when you find out the stuff that's kind of you
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  it's like God that was good of made it so much better.
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  Yeah. And would, you know, was well, I
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  think they've gone for overly simplistic, empathy Roots.
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  So, she's got a blood clot. He's got a kid.
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  They've gone for like, very simplistic.
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  How can we make you sympathize with it and she's got a
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  headache? No, yeah, I think I'm wrong.
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  I don't think I've ever met a badly played.
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  I just don't think they've really got nothing to hang their
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  performance on. Yeah.
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  Well, I Only normal person wouldn't disagree slightly
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  because I think that is enough to throw you in quite frankly to
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  them. But So they nearly cut there but
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  I did that Laughing, Gas Pedal be honest.
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  It was a they have been smoked, they've been and hit smoking and
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  the villain healing the acid. And absolutely Fame has been
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  going through, you know, acid in here.
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  And there's no effect whatsoever with just waiting to this room
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  and the little girl fight. Is that what they're doing in
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  there? They were having a little puff
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  on in sit. Well, with it before they went
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  into this room. Yeah, there was a, there was a
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  gas, it was acid that went into a gas, it'll be mine.
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  Yeah, I've seen them Jen there within a full makeup.
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  You know what might been quite nice that they haven't really
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  got the special effects of do it at this point would be if like,
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  you know, she was like dripping and glue, you know, sort of you
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  know and the sort of it was running a bit.
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  Yeah. And how A bit of fluidity to it.
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  What better you are couldn't make beer do.
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  Well we remember your internet dropped out.
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  So maybe we might be about 30 seconds out from each other.
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  She probably going to come, I've got a scene.
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  There's no, there's no question that she's talking about the
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  eyes. So she's I'm about that that
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  point as well but she's crazy, she's went absolutely crazy
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  because we saw earlier that she's put eyes on the wall.
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  Switch is taken eyeballs from the discarded going out and put
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  them on a wall. This woman is just went
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  absolutely crazy with that. That is just a like, a Creature
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  Feature moment, isn't it? Like that?
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  That's not to make a profound point.
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  That is just how I know. But the scared the kiddies I
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  thought it was hilarious again, but the audience is seeing.
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  Don't you remember what or she's talking about?
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  The guy knows if you keep her in jeans and it's Aryan Cleaves.
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  It's just I just can't be bothered us coming or just can I
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  just get off this dump and just have a lift please?
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  You know, I have my faith in them.
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  I'm gonna ask you a question about the special effects.
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  Okay, go for that one of the night again.
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  I'm like I said, I'm not going to be overly critical because I
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  still think the special effects are A Cut Above anything.
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  You would have seen in classic Doctor Who on the whole, but
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  they clearly, like this season. It's overly ambitious for what
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  they can achieve. So should they have tried?
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  If the effect is going to be kind of how it turned out, or
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  maybe should they have cut back a little bit and just shows like
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  physical effects? All right, it should have done
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  physical effects. It was the one point is the one
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  point the story real to say, oh my God.
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  What the hell is that supposed to be this creature?
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  And there's a, I think I said in episode one, is the fact that
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  she's just got this weird, sort of, if you honestly look at
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  behind the scenes on the confidential and the actress
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  isn't even me can like scary faces.
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  It's the directors got a just making weird sort of real sorry
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  faces. Emulate and the CGI a team as I
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  say, tell me I'm wrong. You know like as you say better
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  than most classic Doctor Who and they've done wonders absolute
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  wonders but that was one time where they dropped the ball.
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  Certainly, do you reckon moffatt's all the Russia's
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  coming in over to putting those strange faces and things and
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  then said, right? Get me the directors book and
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  tore his name out. We're not using him again,
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  although don't move that's for sure.
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  In terms of like getting up to do, fit on it.
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  It's just I don't get it. I mean, it's must be the
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  slaughter. And horrible creature that's
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  going to kill them but she just looks like a yeah.
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  I don't know what I'm supposed to be.
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  You know, I think there's definitely more Pace to this
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  second episode. Yeah, because there's morning
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  that, there's no that they know that need to get out because the
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  guy knows are going to basically support.
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  Please do, you know? I is a rule of thumb.
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  That should I ever introduce somebody to Doctor Who Ooh yeah
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  another rival will watch the next one together.
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  Yeah, the next one. Always really terrible.
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  Now I like the rings of akhaten but I asked my friend Emma to
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  come round and was also you might like those who give it a
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  watch and we watch that one together and at the end of it
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  she went well Matt Smith's very brave to act in that, isn't he?
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  You know, like I'm my friend Allison.
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  She watched Rebel flesh with me. And she went, oh, please don't
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  ask me to watch that again. Look, maybe that contributed to
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  my dislike of this, I must admit.
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  I'm not a big funny, I could turn sorry Luke.
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  If you're listening I know that some people it's one of the
• 23:08
  episode like it's just what it was.
• 23:10
  I just do - I just don't get it. It's just what's a fairy story,
• 23:14
  isn't it? It's a Disney story.
• 23:16
  Yeah, but that whole Leaf nonsense and it's magical leaf
• 23:20
  that has sentimental. Classically this is the leave.
• 23:23
  She's brought your book and said oh you know, somehow you can
• 23:26
  feed on us everything in this Leaf forever.
• 23:29
  I just know now look there's no less emotional truth in the
• 23:34
  rings of akhaten than there is in this hay with no.
• 23:39
  No I disagree because we're about to see the scene later on
• 23:42
  where he's going to contact this cabinet.
• 23:44
  So we're all Gonna cry. So so at the moment.
• 23:47
  Are you two? Are you kidding me?
• 23:49
  The agonizing kid pops up on the Hologram.
• 23:53
  Don't you be telling me you're gonna cry that senior feel.
• 23:55
  You're feeling for him though. You feeling, okay, the kids
• 23:59
  you're feeling for him. I'll tell you what I felt for
• 24:01
  him is when the doctor takes him to go, see the kids on the
• 24:05
  beach. Is this really quick scene on a
• 24:07
  beach? And I think it's supposed to be
• 24:08
  this idyllic Beach where they have this Union and they've
• 24:12
  chosen the wettest day in Wales you've ever seen.
• 24:15
  And the wind is literally blowing him in the face.
• 24:19
  It looks mr. So, this is to be of Jamie.
• 24:28
  That you're talking about with Amy been very, very prejudiced
• 24:31
  thinking that or you're my doctor.
• 24:34
  So I think you're a nice guy, but the gang over there, he's
• 24:36
  built on the screen. I don't like on and there's only
• 24:39
  one doctor and that's yeah, that's made me feel very
• 24:41
  uncomfortable. Oh and there's Madame kovarian
• 24:45
  so you might not be there yet because I'm up a little head but
• 24:48
  she's about to pop her head out. Yeah I'm uh I'm slightly buying
• 24:52
  that. Yeah.
• 24:53
  Yeah. That whole thing, I mean, the
• 24:56
  thing that one of the most terrifying things in season 6
• 24:59
  will stop is the end of this episode when you see Frances
• 25:03
  Barber space going push mean, God Almighty, but is it again?
• 25:08
  I'm sorry if we are going to beat a season of Doctor Who in?
• 25:12
  So the shape, A companion is stuck in a tube being forced
• 25:16
  into labor. I mean, why is going on?
• 25:19
  Dave, it's just something that's beautiful man.
• 25:23
  She's horrible. That's my excuse.
• 25:27
  It's just I just don't want to watch that in Doctor, Who and I
• 25:30
  don't know what I'm wondering. If those sort of real-life
• 25:32
  things, it just doesn't connect it with that sort of mad wacky,
• 25:37
  quirky world of Doctor Who I wonder, why do, I don't know, I
• 25:40
  could be talking bollocks because I think Rosa is Sublime
• 25:43
  and that tackles is a head-on in a very yeah that should be
• 25:47
  episode. So maybe it's just the approach
• 25:49
  here, I'm not sure. Yeah, so I'm the see known.
• 25:55
  We are like she's confront and who she thinks is the gang or
• 25:58
  doctor and seeing I'm sorry it, I've hurt your feelings but just
• 26:02
  to be as you know, the doctor saw Gilbert and then he just
• 26:06
  Yeah. Doesn't he know she's a ganger
• 26:09
  at this point? I think that might be another
• 26:11
  reason why he shoves her against the wall.
• 26:15
  Look at that. Well God.
• 26:17
  So I think it's better than 0. I mean, he certainly knows it's
• 26:19
  something so because as we find out, he's been, it's known from
• 26:22
  the guitar. The scanner that obviously, it's
• 26:25
  human not human and he knows it's up.
• 26:28
  And then we find out that he's chased a signal.
• 26:30
  If we have the flash came from to this place, so he's no seen
• 26:34
  if it's always, probably put two and two together.
• 26:36
  Yes. Well, he knows by the end of the
• 26:38
  episode, doesn't it? You know, it's by the end of the
• 26:39
  episode. And so, yeah.
• 26:40
  So, I wondered something clever could be done here as well with
• 26:46
  him. Knowing she's a gang, are her
• 26:48
  thinking, he's a ganger but I just don't think this is
• 26:51
  intelligently written enough to make those points.
• 26:55
  It's just very variable. I mean it just comes across is
• 26:58
  that the doctors went a bit scary and it's just it.
• 27:03
  Yeah, there was no reason for me to do that.
• 27:06
  Absolutely no reason at all. You've got is the gang at a me
• 27:08
  being really really like being. Oh my God, you're going on is an
• 27:11
  absolute. Madman.
• 27:13
  It's but, you know, like at the end of this, you know, he's
• 27:17
  pissed, isn't he? Like, he, he kills the ganger.
• 27:20
  Yes. Then we'll compare that.
• 27:22
  We will definitely come to that, but he kills it heals the gang
• 27:25
  up, and then he goes off into a good man.
• 27:27
  Goes to war and suddenly, he's this terrifying figure, who
• 27:31
  everyone's like, oh my God, the doctors come in the doctors come
• 27:34
  in, like, when did we ever get there?
• 27:37
  Where the doctor is, is terrifying.
• 27:39
  Figure that everybody fears? Yeah.
• 27:42
  I don't agree with that either. I mean, I agree with but we get
• 27:48
  that shit at the end. I'll see what my thoughts are on
• 27:50
  it, but I don't like in a good man.
• 27:51
  Goes to war against another great episode in terms of
• 27:54
  entertainment, but I don't like the way that as you see.
• 27:57
  The doctors know are like Warchief that everyone should be
• 28:01
  afraid of at all these supposed to be this guy who goes It, goes
• 28:04
  in a or women or the goes in a box and 7 Adventures.
• 28:08
  It's not supposed to be that little, everyone's freedom from.
• 28:10
  It used to be the talk to return.
• 28:11
  Yup. And that's your Solution.
• 28:13
  That's that. Yes, a happy ending in a good
• 28:16
  man. Goes to war.
• 28:17
  He turns up like in the silhouette at dorium maldovar
• 28:21
  has bar and he's absolutely terrified.
• 28:24
  He's like no you've come for me. What is happening?
• 28:29
  Yeah I don't understand what he's doing with that because you
• 28:32
  see the doctors know. Yeah but I don't know what Y is
• 28:36
  and then they actually put started on his name whole thing
• 28:39
  about Doctor Who question mark God Just that's one thing I
• 28:44
  despise and I will. But, you know, he does it again.
• 28:54
  And so Peter Capaldi's this vengeful, man.
• 28:58
  He goes to Gallifrey. I'm going to bring down the
• 28:59
  present everybody. I'm going to tear down the time
• 29:02
  Vortex to bring back Claire, and I'm like, When did the shrimp
• 29:06
  become this? Like, yeah, I don't agree that
• 29:08
  there's no doctor at all, unless you're not.
• 29:11
  And then, fortunately, in this episode, we're not doing that.
• 29:14
  It is just a doctor. But well, I was gonna say that
• 29:16
  and then Jodie Whittaker came along, right?
• 29:19
  I wouldn't, because then she came along and she was just so
• 29:23
  fucking cheerful and full of Hope and lie.
• 29:27
  And yes, Lowrance and, you know, space for all as she says, and
• 29:33
  it was so, So refreshing to just shirk off that bloody man pain
• 29:38
  that we go through tenant Smith, Eccleston and Capaldi.
• 29:43
  This ray of sunshine ugly and I wasn't too sure about When she
• 29:50
  first came along in terms it, I felt very I felt like it would
• 29:53
  have been like what season 24. We do felt like back in the old
• 29:56
  series and they seem so radically different and tone
• 30:00
  that it was all. I'm not sure about this but it
• 30:02
  got better as it went along. I'll introduce a doctor.
• 30:06
  She won't hear us. Sorry, I'm going completely.
• 30:10
  I'm sorry, I'm not at all. Not at all.
• 30:13
  I'll just I just want missing the big fight here between the
• 30:17
  two Jennifer's. I was pretty well.
• 30:19
  You, I thought this was that fight was pretty well done.
• 30:23
  It's clearly what I dropped. I think, which is not always
• 30:25
  easy every cutter turning into that sort of company puddle and
• 30:31
  yeah. Plus again, it's scary for the
• 30:33
  kids, you're a sissy tell, I'm telling you, I'll be been
• 30:36
  freaked out by the story. Had been grown up watching us.
• 30:40
  This is fully immerged in which is really, really maybe you have
• 30:46
  an, maybe I'm not the audience. For this type of story that
• 30:50
  over. But like, I find now I am more
• 30:53
  frightened by like inferences like when I watch case managers,
• 30:58
  only with Mark do dig and there was one of these sort of very
• 31:02
  perverse advances on Perry. I found that really frightening
• 31:06
  to watch the Nicola Bryant played it so well.
• 31:08
  Oh yeah, I do as well. That when I watch it was that so
• 31:11
  thank you that don't podcast me where Jack Horner and on these
• 31:14
  think he's on designing for a couple years now and watch that
• 31:16
  after I listened to it and I thought, oh my god, I've never
• 31:18
  really Hey, this is all a bit campy and a bit comical when a
• 31:31
  bit Daft. So this darling scare me.
• 31:34
  It's just It's just people melting, you know?
• 31:38
  Like yeah. But it's Doctor Who come on.
• 31:43
  You couldn't love these three key moments like that.
• 31:45
  It's surely. What I would like is just for
• 31:49
  one procedure, it's just one. And I will say a good man goes
• 31:55
  to war does go on to deliver that because that's got some
• 31:57
  lovely imagery in it. Yeah, but it's, it's not as good
• 32:02
  of characterizes, the doctor. So, Rory, here again, is As you
• 32:12
  know fell 40 in terms of she's she's medium of Glory.
• 32:17
  Sorry. Yeah I like to thank no one
• 32:22
  asked a guy like the fact that it's an extent but come on.
• 32:29
  You just you just want to sing. Again, you are weird.
• 32:32
  Leave me alone. Stop got on about Willie boots.
• 32:37
  I mean, she's used his handprint to get into the The sequence and
• 32:43
  all that. And it's just like, what?
• 32:44
  If I give it? Yeah, 10, and then he even goes,
• 32:48
  doesn't he? You tricked me foiled.
• 32:52
  Again, my goodness has come against me.
• 32:56
  I do like this again, the way they cleave sort of, like, she's
• 32:59
  trying to second-guess, what else would be and day.
• 33:04
  I think her character gets better as it goes along at the
• 33:06
  start. She's a bit sort of OneNote on
• 33:08
  weibo but I think about greatly couldn't the gang on this new
• 33:12
  because she realizes that her kind of beep.
• 33:14
  All of us. I just like this whole attitude
• 33:16
  of just come on. Let's just go.
• 33:19
  I just didn't want to be in this story.
• 33:22
  I agree with you II. Think she does get better as she
• 33:25
  goes down. I think the performers gets
• 33:26
  better. I think she's written better as
• 33:28
  he goes along and actually she's the one person.
• 33:31
  I sort of felt something for by the end.
• 33:34
  So the fact that she's the one that goes off to, you know,
• 33:37
  claim ganger, right? So I was like, yeah, that's the
• 33:39
  right character to do this. You haven't been a jail.
• 33:43
  Imagine a binge in. I'm not oh God.
• 33:46
  No, don't let her go in there. Starts to love one.
• 33:49
  She's cheap. The storms totally just
• 33:52
  completely me down. Absolutely mental.
• 33:55
  And I don't mean end in fact that see that back.
• 33:56
  That's called ATM use. But she's completely like in
• 33:59
  sin, I don't even remember what happens is wearing into this.
• 34:04
  Lonnie watch it this morning. Please no to Jen.
• 34:10
  Jane, she's a horrible creature, that gets the, and they Place
• 34:13
  blows up our, they've all, it's an old classic Doctor Who
• 34:16
  ending. Yeah, we'll see the gang artists
• 34:20
  that are left, you know, turn to group.
• 34:25
  And then the inference is that place balls up as but I love
• 34:28
  you. It's like I would like to know
• 34:30
  why the password is bad, boy. Steven Moffat?
• 34:36
  Oh, of course, of course you can feel his monkey fingerprints all
• 34:40
  over this might have Matthew Graham on it but no we've got
• 34:44
  the doctor murder in. We've got weird perverse, things
• 34:47
  occurring. I just do with the Amy, Rory
• 34:51
  relationship. Yeah, I think you and I are
• 34:54
  enough heard sort of alternative suggestions that, like, Amy
• 34:58
  chooses Rory, at the end of a Venice.
• 35:02
  And from that point on like there's no hint and I don't
• 35:06
  agree with that. So, no, I don't.
• 35:07
  But I think you're sort of synthetic what I think in that
• 35:10
  she kind of string him along quite a bit here and treats him
• 35:13
  terribly. I do think come 7A It's actually
• 35:18
  it's in Angels, Take Manhattan, when they're standing Atop The
• 35:22
  Empire State Building. That's the point where she
• 35:24
  chooses him, where she says, I'm going to jump off this building
• 35:28
  review and die because I can't bear to be without you.
• 35:32
  Yeah, I can eat because it's I mean that whole thing about his
• 35:35
  divorce. So before the same adults, don't
• 35:37
  know what that was all about, but I'm sorry.
• 35:42
  But season seven, he is certainly, by the way, I've got
• 35:47
  A good young here. And I'm, I'm, I need to, I need
• 35:50
  to keep them as you know what, we've just seen all the gang.
• 35:54
  They're horrible, granules that are being discarded.
• 35:58
  And just a dump and that's a ghoulish idea as well.
• 36:01
  Just the fact that they just be left in a stiff piece of being
• 36:04
  weightless. Like you.
• 36:06
  You're right. It is that's a kind of a that is
• 36:09
  a frightening idea. But you know what, I think I was
• 36:11
  probably done better in Terror voice.
• 36:13
  You know when they shoved all the people on the compost tea
• 36:18
  Remember that it goes, we are being splendidly.
• 36:24
  Yeah. He's a very excitable verbal it.
• 36:29
  Yes, it was any other but not going and what they look like.
• 36:36
  That's what it was. Made for this podcast you know
• 36:56
  with my filthy mind. Yeah I mean years from the pit
• 37:01
  for god sakes. Oh God will feeds and everything
• 37:06
  and I can I say though, right? Remember remember when the the
• 37:11
  oh I came out of the spaceship in Go in the fireplace.
• 37:17
  Go on the fireplace. Yeah.
• 37:19
  Yeah. And he said Something's Cooking.
• 37:21
  Do you remember? Yeah, that was way scarier than
• 37:24
  this. Just that one line was scarier.
• 37:29
  And oh my God, I'll do it again, yes.
• 37:31
  Remember those hands that came out of the walls in village of
• 37:35
  the Angels, Yes. Yes, was fucking chilling.
• 37:41
  I thought you were going to see the hands of V3 and Terminus
• 37:43
  having a phone, do it? Jonathan, you didn't know what
• 37:46
  that bit in power of the doctor, right?
• 37:48
  Whether side man, burst through the wall grabbed all?
• 37:50
  Does he get like that around the waist?
• 37:52
  Yeah, that was, that was a smells of God.
• 37:53
  Oh my God moment, I was a Terminus moment.
• 37:56
  That was. Yes.
• 37:58
  Oh no, don't do Vaughn's. Obviously.
• 38:00
  Justin student Egan's place. This is where I feel like being
• 38:04
  a bit ambitious, because I've got all the glue people on the
• 38:07
  Sort of slag Heap and then you got Jen's enormous elongated
• 38:11
  mouth? No, I like the separate.
• 38:13
  I think that was a really scary effect like that?
• 38:15
  What the mouth? Yeah, I shouldn't ahead.
• 38:19
  She could get with that mouth. Jesus Christ.
• 38:24
  Well, you know that it's all sorry.
• 38:27
  I was gonna say she's like that a time or something, but she's
• 38:30
  swallowed them or something. I mean, she could have It's
• 38:39
  sorry because I have some God reflux.
• 38:46
  Yes, it's your father. Don't know what is basically
• 38:56
  started doing it as well. You know, stop it.
• 38:59
  Now Mo, he's the one, he's the one that leaves us alone.
• 39:02
  Now, honestly, he loves it. So now, we've got just I mean to
• 39:08
  the train them like a little kid.
• 39:10
  In a trait, in fact as an adult try to figure out who's who, so
• 39:14
  this is the gang else are no with the real Doctor thinking
• 39:18
  it's the gang of doctor. Right.
• 39:22
  You know, I feel like we've been in and out of this acid room
• 39:26
  about 15 times in the last hour and a half.
• 39:30
  Yeah, but the quite sure of it. They've got shortly.
• 39:32
  I said that if they didn't know that the dark teams went to the
• 39:34
  effort of both industrial, it's more work.
• 39:38
  I well I've got another question for you then.
• 39:40
  Yeah, do you think this deserves two episodes?
• 39:48
  Oh m. Yeah, because it's a few if you
• 39:55
  try to cram this anyone episode then literally just the premise
• 40:01
  of doppelgangers you be completely like what's going on.
• 40:03
  Yeah. You could simplify this though
• 40:06
  and you could probably tell are very kind of smart character
• 40:11
  tail in a single episode without all this bloody CGI bollocks and
• 40:16
  and you know, turning them all into the villains are things
• 40:18
  like that and just telling a good smile story about
• 40:21
  doppelgangers, try. To get their rise.
• 40:24
  I think I think, over here, much better.
• 40:25
  So I think you need to fund us personally, but I do understand.
• 40:31
  People are offended. There's better content in the
• 40:33
  season that it was probably better.
• 40:35
  Context of the 2x would solve. The thing is, is like in the
• 40:38
  next story. Yeah, we go to about 900
• 40:41
  locations. Literally, in the first minutes
• 40:43
  of a good man, goes to war. We take a whirlwind trip of the
• 40:46
  Galaxy. Whereas, in this one, we spend
• 40:48
  90 minutes going in and out of the same room.
• 40:52
  It's okay. I don't start the castle is
• 40:56
  muffy's. Grady wants to eat up all the
• 40:58
  budget so it's got none left for anyone else in cheeky.
• 41:04
  No, it's fine. Oh, here it goes.
• 41:10
  You trick me down you tripped. Me is this the god?
• 41:19
  If I'm ever trying to find, I have to see that.
• 41:21
  No, you tricked me. Yeah.
• 41:24
  It in the future. I'm just gonna go on about
• 41:25
  Willie boots, but I see if it works.
• 41:28
  So, you know, she's totally totally totally.
• 41:30
  Ignore me back, whatever. She's got it, she's got the
• 41:32
  typical evil smell. The, you know, the
• 41:36
  stereotypical. She's waiting to feel like
• 41:39
  you're a little bit beyond me, but she just does a massive arm
• 41:42
  exaggeration of like you're gonna die.
• 41:45
  You know? Yes, he sets his vanity cliche
• 41:48
  territory. Yeah, annoying and Shay.
• 41:56
  I think there's was felons. That's what follow me friends.
• 42:02
  Although I was so much fun with this.
• 42:29
  That's right. And then the gang is like, oh
• 42:31
  well, I've gotta go talk to the kid, then overnight.
• 42:33
  Sorry, it's not cool for the gang up.
• 42:34
  So he has a good story because the ganger Because he's good
• 42:38
  takes over, basically been real unfamiliar Studio One.
• 42:43
  He stepped sending us the dad, please ask the kid to one side,
• 42:49
  but I think it's a really good scene.
• 42:50
  Is coming up to tell me for the kids to one side.
• 42:52
  All right, he's on the screen right now.
• 42:53
  Where did they get this kid from?
• 42:57
  Well, if you feel at least they warned us earlier in the
• 42:59
  episode, The Dead Sea is my cat's birthday today.
• 43:02
  And, you know, it doesn't deal with funny dance.
• 43:05
  He did warn us that he was going to God.
• 43:08
  I was watching. Yeah, I thought I was five in
• 43:10
  the morning at this point. When I got to this point.
• 43:13
  Outside. Oh, get ready for work in a
• 43:15
  minute and thank God, because I can't watch his bloody kid
• 43:18
  anymore. What is the obsession with
• 43:22
  children? In this era?
• 43:23
  I said, we annoying thing, isn't it?
• 43:27
  I think it's because Matt Smith is so good because quite
• 43:31
  frankly, thank you, thanks. All he was really good to be me.
• 43:33
  So I think I'll bring more kids in again again again because I
• 43:36
  know that you'll work well or from having that's exactly what
• 43:39
  he's done. Can you think of any apart from
• 43:41
  in the 11th Hour? Where the kid isn't like really
• 43:46
  fucking annoying and that is a good question.
• 43:52
  Don't think you can, you know? Yeah, my head, you skip over to
• 43:56
  the Sarah, Jane Adventures, where there's a ton of kids in
• 43:58
  there and they're all amazing to hang out with.
• 44:01
  So I don't, but my Smurfs. And that is real, what's that?
• 44:06
  The death of the doctor is with the conservative end.
• 44:09
  You've got the amazing kids from that and him, perfect.
• 44:13
  So he does. What real love can certainly it
• 44:14
  from his box of cats real. But yeah, if he doesn't, they
• 44:17
  don't get the best outcomes. And unfortunately, it's very
• 44:20
  athlean, isn't it? I think bar was high.
• 44:22
  Well, let's be honest for young women.
• 44:24
  You know what I call him Dave Yeah, I know you call them the
• 44:29
  root of the brood of the dams breather the domed.
• 44:32
  Yeah. You know those kids that come
• 44:34
  out in that field Village of the down of all glowing eyes.
• 44:37
  Yeah, we can. Imagine all the mafia kids
• 44:39
  coming out, you will love us, you will sympathize of us love
• 44:44
  conquers, all, you know, and pop the pull, the thought probably.
• 44:48
  After, I didn't have to do this in in the kids, poppin in the
• 44:51
  forest of the night. So I bless him.
• 44:54
  I think I can't, I can't. It's called from importantly and
• 44:59
  kill the moon. That's the keyword, as well.
• 45:02
  But remember, those couple of kids in the thin ice and they
• 45:05
  were pretty good, they were good and really one of them dies
• 45:09
  probably just before I could be annoying, you know?
• 45:12
  So now where we've got the gang of, it's all real Mark Warner.
• 45:20
  I like this is because he says Luke you can have to Be at that
• 45:25
  for him though. You're gonna have to step up to
• 45:26
  the plate here and he's like yeah, I'll do it.
• 45:33
  Well, I'm trying my boy. I'm glad you like
• 45:55
  the character. He plays it.
• 45:57
  Well, he's a good actor, I just don't like the fact that, you
• 46:00
  know, I don't like it. When I feel like I'm being
• 46:04
  manipulated to feel something I like it happen, I feel like,
• 46:09
  Rusty Davis. Had that kind of effortless way
• 46:11
  of making you feel stuff dragon. In this kid twisting his clothes
• 46:16
  and having agonizing close-ups of his dad dying.
• 46:18
  Well, that's, that's a bit much. Yeah, well, it's it's a taste.
• 46:30
  It hurts. It hurts.
• 46:31
  It hurts home has role in what else to do.
• 46:36
  I'd be interested. Like, Matthew Graham rule away
• 46:38
  from Marsden and I've never seen men from Mars.
• 46:41
  Well, I had a great reception, though.
• 46:42
  Didn't it? Life on Mars?
• 46:43
  Yeah, which owns something called.
• 46:45
  I'd love it. I wonder if the characters and
• 46:48
  that are like, what you think they are here now?
• 46:51
  Be interested. Well, mostly for Mars report.
• 46:54
  Back to him. I know I seen I've seen series
• 46:58
  one of Life on Mars. And this is what about Kurt was
• 47:03
  another lie. And then I do, he writes drama
• 47:07
  far better than he write. Science fiction.
• 47:10
  Mmm. And interestingly, the
• 47:12
  characterization in that is really strong quite nuanced.
• 47:19
  What's going on? Now I've lost the plot.
• 47:21
  That's that's adorable at the back.
• 47:22
  When he's just, here we go. Here we go.
• 47:27
  Oh God, I don't get what's coming to is coming near the
• 47:31
  climax. So the alarm sounding is okay,
• 47:36
  can off okay. Oh yeah, oh God, okay, right
• 47:40
  elongated CGI, grotesque creature.
• 47:44
  Oh my God. I'm going to do anythin
• 47:46
  bottomley here. Watch is this, how can I defend
• 47:55
  this? They don't bet they thought
• 47:59
  they'd done the same thing, but better with Lazar streets are
• 48:01
  very distinctively mouth, sort of segmented and came down.
• 48:06
  And that yes, I like that a lot is it?
• 48:10
  I'm not sure what's going on here, really?
• 48:12
  I mean, I'll keep silence not deny about this story about this
• 48:15
  season about this doctor. I don't know what's happening.
• 48:18
  Really short been on the side? Oh my God, please no.
• 48:25
  Excuse me. Use me as the Tardis just
• 48:28
  happens to fall through the floor when they need it.
• 48:32
  Oh, good grief. Well, they've got it.
• 48:36
  It's, don't do that all the time, but it just further
• 48:43
  compounds this to the knackers yard for me.
• 48:49
  So yeah, so kicking off and positive now because you know
• 48:53
  what we're heading towards that final scene really I'll come on
• 48:56
  then. So let's just do.
• 48:59
  What's been pretty? Good has its dreary but it is
• 49:02
  well, lit. This like it is atmospheric.
• 49:05
  Yeah, it's really spooky spooky, it's raining, it's not
• 49:09
  certainly, you would not want to be in this place at the dark of
• 49:12
  night kicking about in the opening.
• 49:14
  Think about it for them, that's on that island.
• 49:18
  So here's here's just a miserable Dave, honestly.
• 49:23
  So, it means basically getting told some home truths here.
• 49:26
  Wait a minute, you know, actually I'm the real doctor and
• 49:30
  you've been a complete but okay. Now, can we talk about that for
• 49:33
  a second? Because I feel as if a bee was
• 49:37
  put through the ringer ear for no other reason than to provide
• 49:41
  this twist. It's almost like yeah, it's
• 49:45
  almost like the doctor was trying to teach her a lesson.
• 49:51
  There is like, will you actually don't know who's who, so don't
• 49:54
  treat people badly that the point?
• 49:59
  Yes. Well it's I think he was well
• 50:02
  but no, he's made a see because though, she's cuddling, the gang
• 50:05
  of doctor and she's like, what the hell was I thinking?
• 50:08
  But yeah, I don't agree with faith some against the wall.
• 50:11
  But the doctor was, I think the doctor A Sylvester McCoy.
• 50:16
  You stupid tries to. You know what city is in part of
• 50:19
  the doctor, I was teaching you good lessons.
• 50:22
  I'm struggling young actor in stores and I was doing it in a
• 50:25
  very perverse way, but I mean, he's weird.
• 50:30
  Remember when he was going and seeing Clara as a little girl,
• 50:34
  he's a bit bizarre. Matt Smith's doctor well with
• 50:38
  that he was trying to find out what an Air Force.
• 50:40
  Just get all about. Is there something special about
• 50:41
  this often happen when she's little Are we gave Cleves a
• 50:46
  little kiss on the eighth day? I like that bit P.
• 50:48
  Go. Yeah.
• 50:49
  I've just got off this but that no bit.
• 50:52
  So that they attack their sacrifice themselves and
• 50:55
  literally do because it does the Sonic Screwdriver in the golden
• 50:58
  group. I don't know if you notice there
• 51:02
  but his head was over the, ER, of danger and it just said,
• 51:06
  dang, yeah. But that.
• 51:09
  Yeah, that's how I felt watching it.
• 51:11
  You know, that makes sense because it's like they were
• 51:14
  going to get caught by this General teacher, or we could
• 51:16
  just stay basically go equip ourselves.
• 51:18
  Now, let's just put a group because we can't do.
• 51:20
  In fact what happens is a hardly quit first.
• 51:25
  So Amy. Yeah, yeah, I'm a has-been, a
• 51:29
  ganger throughout the entirety of curse on a black spot and the
• 51:34
  doctor's wife. Yeah, yes.
• 51:37
  Right. So it is our Amy experiencing
• 51:42
  all of this. Because it's never really made
• 51:46
  very clear. I believe she has, but let's
• 51:48
  just be out there going to be another, very controversial
• 51:51
  about doctor is about to tongue is about to be really, really
• 51:55
  cold and go right step away from a roadie and turn off to group.
• 51:59
  And we've just heard the story obviously, where he's been
• 52:02
  talking about gang or rates in all this effort.
• 52:06
  The way I read it literally takes them to the courthouse, to
• 52:11
  do their rise. And in the next scene, murders,
• 52:14
  one of them. Yeah.
• 52:15
  But well I know that it was going to see it me, you're
• 52:19
  talking bummed, if, but the way I've written it is that those
• 52:24
  gang at the guy knows that we saw get electrified tear or
• 52:27
  hardwired diagnosed, right. So they are, they have become
• 52:31
  real people. Where is Amy like all the other
• 52:35
  guy knows that we're not castle and all across the University of
• 52:39
  reading and Hardwire chemist. So from his perspective he's
• 52:44
  when Luke, this isn't really me manually mean somewhere else and
• 52:48
  you're sorry. And that's why does the group
• 52:52
  are you telling me then that somebody's gangers that are now
• 52:56
  going to have, right? Some of them are disposable?
• 53:00
  Well, I think what they're going is, right?
• 53:03
  What they're going to do is make all the Gang has hardwired.
• 53:06
  Hello? I don't Hitler for that way.
• 53:08
  All right. Sorry, ask me.
• 53:13
  I'll be the nominee doctors like, well, he's not a hard way
• 53:16
  of going on. And yeah, the going up to
• 53:17
  Detroit was not hard way of going on so you're not really
• 53:20
  me. I'll get the real one.
• 53:22
  So sorry you need, you need to go with glue because she's not
• 53:25
  hardwired once the hardwired that's definitely because become
• 53:34
  objections to this scene. Okay.
• 53:35
  And I think this is one of the most hideous scenes in the show.
• 53:40
  My first objection is she thinks She's Amy.
• 53:42
  Yeah. When he kills her?
• 53:44
  She thinks she is a me. Well, effectively.
• 53:47
  He is killing His companion. But you know, she's not because
• 53:53
  the really supposed to do re me someone else.
• 53:55
  No, she said, I am really, really scared and then it just
• 53:59
  because I went to lunch because the gang irimi, truly believes,
• 54:04
  she has a mini but she's not hardwired.
• 54:07
  So she's at the moment of her death.
• 54:10
  She thinks she is Amy Pond, the doctors companion.
• 54:16
  And the others. Like I really hate about it is
• 54:18
  he says to Rory. It's like having a real bully.
• 54:20
  Me is like, covering up or 20 me, it's step back from your
• 54:23
  wife. I'm gonna kill her like, you
• 54:26
  can't intervene. I am going to do this.
• 54:28
  No, no you stay is train is trying to make it less hard from
• 54:33
  is trying to see, right? Okay, right.
• 54:35
  She's not really me. She's a gang out.
• 54:38
  He wasn't hard wire. So she's we need to, to enter
• 54:41
  connected. Really me hostage yesterday, out
• 54:44
  to be a Enemy, but it's still him committing murder.
• 54:50
  But it's not the real enemy. But it's still murder.
• 54:55
  But well, was it moderate established as people are, but
• 55:01
  when they're hardwired, I thought I'd buy that
• 55:05
  distinction. They have literally just said
• 55:07
  that they use our people. She is a person and she is a
• 55:11
  person. No more.
• 55:12
  That is murder. The doctors committed murder in
• 55:15
  the Tardis in front of her husband.
• 55:18
  It's just horrible. It's really horrible.
• 55:21
  And the one, the one, the one better, that doesn't get
• 55:24
  explained as he turns out the group and she was completely to
• 55:27
  good people. Like just I'm assuming he puts
• 55:28
  it in a bucket and she's disposed of, but the ones in the
• 55:32
  castle that the started going on.
• 55:33
  So, I've got feces and it was taught to us by the way, you
• 55:37
  know, like they still remember things or something.
• 55:40
  So I don't know how sometimes they're going to get more
• 55:43
  natural, but And then Frances Barber turns up and that's most
• 55:51
  horrifying. But for and that's it even is
• 55:53
  even more horrible life easier and you know, we said about Nick
• 55:58
  O'Brien earlier. Karen Gillan is as good an
• 56:01
  actress and she plays that fear and that Panic do well and you
• 56:06
  know, I remember when this ended and I went I don't like this
• 56:09
  show anymore. I do not like, I don't like what
• 56:12
  this show is doing and that is certainly it's a it's a bleak
• 56:16
  story. It's not a joy. going to come
• 56:18
  into this and laugh a minute story, it's not that at all if
• 56:22
  you if it was like, if it was every week, then it God, you
• 56:26
  know, I think we'd all be like Looking for another short and
• 56:30
  watch. But but as I can, I offer an
• 56:34
  alternative, can I offer an alternative because yeah, feel
• 56:37
  like an alternative is, is that the ganger Amy is allowed to
• 56:43
  exist rather than being killed alone?
• 56:47
  I'd Amy not together. They would live the same life
• 56:50
  but just say right. Fine.
• 56:52
  What do you want to do with your life?
• 56:54
  I'll take instead of just killing her again, simply just
• 56:56
  go right. Let's just get rid of her and
• 56:58
  then we'll go. Go and find our Amy.
• 57:01
  I just think there is a distinction between the
• 57:03
  hardwired think. I just I mean he's a doctor
• 57:05
  though there's a better way than killing people.
• 57:11
  What would have happened or I'm pretty sure when they went to
• 57:15
  Demons Run, if they were even with it going out, Amy, I'm
• 57:19
  pretty sure covered him with of just with of couple, the gang
• 57:22
  anemia. And we took the place of an
• 57:24
  issue of that than the doctor, doing it in the TARDIS.
• 57:30
  Okay, well it's not really me. So he's trying became a rodent
• 57:35
  see? Right.
• 57:36
  Let's find the Real Enemy. But by the way there's a I just
• 57:40
  think when there's an individual in front of you saying, I'm very
• 57:42
  scared and then you'd go. Well, you did.
• 57:48
  That's not a very nice thing to do, whether you're hardwired or
• 57:51
  not, that's not, that's not a doctor, Lee thing to do, the
• 57:54
  doctors better than that. I don't know.
• 57:58
  Hey, look, we knew we were going to get here, right?
• 58:00
  I mean, you went away for the second body, but you came back.
• 58:04
  Sorry, we knew, we knew we were going to get to this point.
• 58:08
  I don't think we can agree on it.
• 58:10
  No, we're now in an advantageous position for you, and it just
• 58:16
  happened. A short position for me of
• 58:18
  choosing three reasons of peace to recommend the rebel flesh and
• 58:21
  they also be one apiece startle you early atmosphere that I
• 58:29
  think it's permanent sit in the in the castle with a gloominess
• 58:32
  and the Dark Shadows or risk that this is a atmospheric
• 58:35
  Doctor Who Jesus Christ, that was going to be yours.
• 58:41
  The character of Cleves who we established improves as she goes
• 58:48
  along. And actually, I think I've
• 58:49
  decided I do quite like the performers as understated as it
• 58:52
  is. I do quite like the performance
• 58:56
  Matt Bonner. And I like his cousin us.
• 59:00
  Well, he has to is like at the start, what What's Happening
• 59:05
  Here, what? And the to him, and he's going
• 59:07
  on, aren't haven't got this sort of, you know, like Clash like
• 59:11
  the other seamen have be there. Like what we're going to do.
• 59:14
  Get me. And then of course, he dies and
• 59:17
  the Gang on, you know, takes on his role and he talks occur that
• 59:20
  I quit. I wish you had more to do but I
• 59:24
  quite like his performance. I'm going to say the sort of 10
• 59:31
  minutes of fun that occurs at the beginning of episode, 2
• 59:36
  between Matt Smith and mass me. If yes, how he acts better
• 59:40
  against himself than anyone else.
• 59:43
  Yes. Back to you.
• 59:47
  Oh I fucked on em believe or not.
• 59:53
  I think Matthew Graham needs a bad credit you because I wasn't
• 59:56
  funny. In fact it was to understand it
• 59:59
  for me it was just it was very forgettable and it was it was
• 1:00:03
  very far, sorry episode. But Steven Moffat said week this
• 1:00:07
  is going to be a key to part of the season.
• 1:00:10
  It's going to do so it finds and I think it over Much better
• 1:00:14
  story, but there be some that agree disagree with me,
• 1:00:16
  including yourself. I think it's building fearful.
• 1:00:21
  and I am going to say, and this might sound contradictory, but
• 1:00:29
  the ending, where the doctor Kills ganger Amy and where Amy
• 1:00:38
  wakes up about to pop in the tube while anywhere if I hate it
• 1:00:45
  but it is pushing boundaries and admire the show for pushing
• 1:00:50
  boundaries, even if it's something I really love, that's
• 1:00:56
  fair enough, it's a half-hearted government.
• 1:01:02
  Calendar. Hey, if we got time to find out
• 1:01:08
  what our fellow hamsters for. Yes.
• 1:01:11
  Go on. Go on.
• 1:01:13
  That's got a couple. It comment.
• 1:01:16
  So Jason Thompson. Say they agree about this
• 1:01:20
  episode. These episodes a great Central
• 1:01:22
  premise. At what point do these
• 1:01:24
  duplicates get to be considered actual people and does the fact
• 1:01:27
  they are copies of other people make a difference, but so many
• 1:01:30
  other celebrates in it, under magnet, to the point of
• 1:01:33
  rendering it, one of the worst in the Run.
• 1:01:35
  Oh meaning acid is a nonsensical set up especially as it seems to
• 1:01:40
  dissolve only that required by the plot.
• 1:01:43
  The silly monster head weaving around on a long leg is
• 1:01:46
  laughable. Nobody tries to think that
• 1:01:49
  nobody thinks to try CPR on a guy that's just been
• 1:01:51
  electrocuted. And I was a good point.
• 1:01:53
  I never thought that I was that was funny, who was that, Jason
• 1:01:59
  Thompson but there's more worst of all is the fact that the
• 1:02:03
  Cliffhanger involves the doctor ignore.
• 1:02:05
  In the things we fighting for the whole thing.
• 1:02:07
  We're stupid cancer people with rates and individuality, or
• 1:02:10
  except this one that called, PD me, which Alters is that you
• 1:02:13
  goofy? I'm sorry.
• 1:02:16
  I've always said he was a man of great distinction, Jason
• 1:02:19
  Thompson. Yeah, I see I've tried it.
• 1:02:23
  I spent on way, I think that, but I've sort of dug myself a
• 1:02:28
  hole with it. But I think the hall You know,
• 1:02:32
  hard way if they may meet our vehicle I'm just going.
• 1:02:35
  Well I was talking to phrase Gregory idea and I think he's
• 1:02:37
  kind of on the same page as you also.
• 1:02:41
  He said I told him he was mad as well but you know, yeah.
• 1:02:46
  I'll get even she stood in terms of the like there should be more
• 1:02:50
  acid in it. I mean it was there but like I
• 1:02:53
  said they inhaled a one point in there was no effect.
• 1:02:56
  Hmm. You know it's just a nobody oh
• 1:03:00
  of course. It's a long neck.
• 1:03:05
  As I see, she's gone mad and she's trying to she's doesn't
• 1:03:09
  know what's going on. She can are and get her body.
• 1:03:12
  She's dying. Well, I just, you are brave.
• 1:03:15
  I'll tell you what to give that a, let's move on.
• 1:03:21
  Hey, Gemma allonby. I haven't watched him.
• 1:03:25
  Yeah, I haven't watched it for ages but I remember really
• 1:03:28
  enjoying it at the time. Great makeup.
• 1:03:31
  Yep. Creepy scenes.
• 1:03:32
  Yep. And some disturbing ideas.
• 1:03:35
  Also yes, love the music to I need to re-watch of us.
• 1:03:39
  So well I'll tell you what he was full of intelligence and
• 1:03:43
  Charisma and Utopia. I don't know what happened with
• 1:03:45
  that tweet but yeah, no, I love you.
• 1:03:48
  Jim really. Daniel, Nate and I haven't seen
• 1:03:54
  it in a while, but I remember thinking, it wasn't as good as
• 1:03:57
  it could be great guest, cast, bitsy muddled.
• 1:04:00
  And after the theme of The Gang or something raised, the doctor
• 1:04:03
  dissolving, the Amy one seemed in pure taste.
• 1:04:05
  My eldest is just called his two-year-old brother, and hang
• 1:04:08
  out because he's crying and pulling a funny face haha.
• 1:04:14
  Yeah, I know that. I am Professor Stephen Hawking
• 1:04:23
  and writes the eleventh doctor, you look short to the virtual.
• 1:04:28
  Yes, I thought you said Stephen Hawking not Steven hauk went.
• 1:04:32
  Okay, I'll see what he's doing now.
• 1:04:34
  Cool, it's good to beat and but you just said, here, the 11th.
• 1:04:38
  Doctor goes Peak, Seventh Doctor, mmm-hmm, she's
• 1:04:43
  interesting. I agree.
• 1:04:45
  He's just as unlikable. Come on.
• 1:04:49
  Let's go cover boy. Dear soul, mate, I've got a
• 1:04:56
  complete 180. Champion of the time changes his
• 1:05:08
  name every two minutes. Well that's like your fees are.
• 1:05:12
  Obviously not no way out but it doesn't provoke the response to
• 1:05:14
  me. That dozen others.
• 1:05:16
  It's got some good films. That deals with Will and it
• 1:05:18
  smelled realized and acted. It doesn't exactly does or
• 1:05:21
  anywhere. Let's make.
• 1:05:22
  No means sure. Excuse me dear, we love scoring
• 1:05:26
  controversy. That one honestly.
• 1:05:30
  Anyone else? A sort of intuitive.
• 1:05:37
  See. Stephon Alexander.
• 1:05:40
  I hope yes. Going to see what he's got.
• 1:05:42
  Site underrated. No stay.
• 1:05:48
  It's a solid bit of sci-fi forth with some good twists, agreed,
• 1:05:52
  the French designers, we had before being too gross.
• 1:05:54
  Agreed characterization would be stronger but there's nothing bad
• 1:05:57
  about it. Laughs.
• 1:05:59
  Why is Fluffy about this thing? Hi, okay.
• 1:06:10
  Gavin, Gavin wi 7, 9 2, 3, 4, 3, 8 feet, or you puts on the
• 1:06:17
  fabulous pictures of his muscles on Joyce.
• 1:06:20
  Yes. Hey, what'd he say?
• 1:06:22
  They're getting massive and hey, Gavin they're getting massive
• 1:06:25
  well done. Yeah, I agree.
• 1:06:29
  We love your muscles all sorry. Good customer and a terrific
• 1:06:35
  Cliffhanger to the almost people Splat.
• 1:06:37
  Not be watching the way of but enjoyed an original
• 1:06:39
  transmission. That's what you said.
• 1:06:41
  Two thirds didn't like it. It sounds like they all love it.
• 1:06:44
  I'm Abby. I must be completely
• 1:06:49
  misrepresented. I'm sorry guys.
• 1:06:51
  I never I never said that. I have found world where bunch
• 1:06:53
  of psychotic. So, you know, in Clark to it'll
• 1:06:57
  even Clark. Mmm, aside from anything else,
• 1:07:00
  that makeup is next-level stuff by means.
• 1:07:02
  Which Totally worth it young. I thought I thought Stuck
• 1:07:05
  traffic because it was like they were going for the nine ball
• 1:07:07
  makeup and it looks really really uncomfortable.
• 1:07:10
  It would like it but you don't. I can also take that word.
• 1:07:15
  You wouldn't want that serves up with onions were jaw.
• 1:07:20
  And last but not least, but, sorry if I put you on the
• 1:07:23
  PlayStation, I think it's Michaela, Lucas, true.
• 1:07:29
  I don't know who you are, but welcome, honestly, it's stuff
• 1:07:32
  like this, that makes me love Muffet.
• 1:07:35
  This is an exceptionally solid Standalone episode.
• 1:07:38
  They also feeds into the being art of the Season.
• 1:07:41
  Well, I'll tell you what, after an hour and a half of me
• 1:07:43
  bitching about it, it's quite nice to hear people saying
• 1:07:46
  lovely things, isn't it? You see, I like it.
• 1:07:49
  I think it's a it's definitely. There's definitely far worse. -
• 1:07:55
  my favorite looks - definitely and my project.
• 1:07:59
  Oh yeah, waiting River Song for one of gonna bother one a day
• 1:08:03
  where we going to go next and that we did we agree which one
• 1:08:08
  or I can't remember, did we? We could be quick.
• 1:08:12
  I think we agreed that we could either be jetting off to the the
• 1:08:16
  age of the universe or Boeing triple7.
• 1:08:18
  A real world somewhere. Yes, that's right.
• 1:08:21
  That's right. And I need to send out some
• 1:08:22
  messages to people deny, but essentially, I'm going to put
• 1:08:26
  this on record. Now, it could be a foursome
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  occurring between Lucy McColl, Daniel night, yourself, and me
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  as we head to Z 2 minor, where Psy heart is currently
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  imprisoned and having a jolly ol time.
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  I'm not perfect. Yeah, it's really over.
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  You'll be in that pet or not you know that pattern that black
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  hole. Yeah I think he's trapped in the
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  other side because plan of Richard evil.
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  He calls it cast aspersions on people.
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  You know, PSI has been in a few black holes in his time on task
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  but listen. Okay, thank you for letting me
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  vent. Thank you for celebrating This
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  story because it often sometimes it's quite refreshing to have
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  two contrasting voices. Yeah, yeah, that's joy that
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  thanks for for bite my butt. No, I, well, let's just say.
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  Until next time, it's all the same.
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  This story because it often sometimes it's quite refreshing
• 1:09:19
  to have two contrasting voices. Yeah, yeah, that's joy that
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  thanks for for bite my butt. No, I, well, let's just say.
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  Until next time, it's all the same.