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I Am All In…Again: The Almost Rory (Season 2 E7 “Like Mother, Like Daughter) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in again.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, let's just you.
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  Speaker 3: I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast one
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  Speaker 1: eleven productions. iHeartRadio Media. iHeart Podcasts. Oh, we are going
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  Speaker 1: to break down today? Season two, Episode seven, Like Motherlike Daughter,
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  Speaker 1: Air date November thirteenth, two thousand and one with the
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  Speaker 1: one and only Madeline Zeema and she's an actress known
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  Speaker 1: for her roles in Californication, twin Peaks, You and Subservience.
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  Speaker 1: Beginning her career I Just Wait for It two years
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  Speaker 1: old with an appearance to TV commercial for Downy Fabric software.
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  Speaker 1: Madeline's first appearance a Gilmore Girls is in the last
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  Speaker 1: scene of this episode as Lisa. We see her when
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  Speaker 1: Lisa sits down with Rory at the lunch tap. Oh
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  Speaker 1: that was you, okay good? Yeah? The Bookish Headphone Club
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  Speaker 1: the founding members all Right. Rory tries to shed her
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  Speaker 1: loner image by joining a popular click after after her
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  Speaker 1: meeting with Headmaster Charleston, saying that if you want to
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  Speaker 1: get into Harvard, there has got to be a social
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  Speaker 1: component to your life and your resume, because Harvard wants
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  Speaker 1: leaders while Loralai ends up modeling matching outfits with Emily
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  Speaker 1: at a Chilten fashion show hosted at the end directed
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  Speaker 1: by Dennis Erdman writer Joni binder Weiss. Let's talk about Madeline.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Rory's social behavior. She's approached by a
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  Speaker 1: guidance count about her unapproachable behavior, to which she's told
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  Speaker 1: universities do not look kindly on loaners. This leads herd
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  Speaker 1: to seek out a group of social girls, the Puffs,
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  Speaker 1: which catches Paris's eye as she walks by. Roy eventually
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  Speaker 1: gets an invite to join the Puffs, speaks very highly
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  Speaker 1: about Paris, knowing how badly she wants in, and her
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  Speaker 1: whole family is also tied to the Pups. Madeline, thanks
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  Speaker 1: for coming on. Did you go to a regular high school?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Scott, No, I didn't. I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I hardly went to school at all, to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: I think Junior High was the last I was in
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  Speaker 3: a normal school, and it was daring while I was
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  Speaker 3: on the nanny so I was. I was quite bullied
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  Speaker 3: in school, which was yeah, my parents should have put
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  Speaker 3: me in a private school. But I was in public
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  Speaker 3: school and it was probably the wrong move nowadays, I
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  Speaker 3: feel like if you were in uh like a regular
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  Speaker 3: school and you were on television, it would it would
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  Speaker 3: benefit you. But in the in the nineties and the
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  Speaker 3: two thousands, back in the day, it was not cool,
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  Speaker 3: so or at least not for me. But no, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't go to regular Did you go to a regular
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  Speaker 3: high school?
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  Speaker 1: I went to I went to a Yeah, I went
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  Speaker 1: to public school.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I always I was always envious of the high school experience,
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  Speaker 3: you know, but I only I only experienced it through
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  Speaker 3: little glimpses of watching things on television, which is not accurate.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Well, so did you think Gilmore Girls capture what
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  Speaker 1: it was like to attend private school?
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  Speaker 3: I I'm not sure. I feel like I love that
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  Speaker 3: in this episode that there is that that pressure to conform,
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  Speaker 3: and that Rory is a nonconformist, and so it's low
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  Speaker 3: like they both their their relationship mirroring each other in
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  Speaker 3: that way where they're like living their own lives. I
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  Speaker 3: feel like it was so ahead of its time in
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  Speaker 3: terms of the way that shows were and roles were
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  Speaker 3: written for women. You know, they were living by their
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  Speaker 3: own set of rules and and they won in the
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  Speaker 3: face of that kind of like societal pressure to conform
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  Speaker 3: and conform and they didn't and it was it's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: To revisit in your experience in schools, did you ever
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  Speaker 1: encounter like a Puffs like group or a cool group
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  Speaker 1: of girls at the school?
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  Speaker 3: Well, when I when I went to junior junior high
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  Speaker 3: was the last time I was in a normal school,
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  Speaker 3: and then I was homeschool and after that, so I
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  Speaker 3: never I never had like real any but but I
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  Speaker 3: did encounter like the cool kids.
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  Speaker 2: And I was the kid that.
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  Speaker 3: Did origami, and my origami actually got me in trouble
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  Speaker 3: I because there was this one girl who was kind
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  Speaker 3: of mean to me. So I made a dog that
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  Speaker 3: was an origami dog and I named it with the
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  Speaker 3: name of the girl who was bullying me at the time.
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  Speaker 3: And I showed it to one boy who I thought
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  Speaker 3: was my friend, and he showed it to her. And
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  Speaker 3: who knew oragami could get you in trouble. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: what that's like wild, right, But yeah it yeah, So
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  Speaker 3: I did encounter like cool or like at least very
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  Speaker 3: mean clique kids that did not like me for sure.
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  Speaker 3: So I was well cast as the like other bookish
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  Speaker 3: bookworm who just wants to like chill with your headphones
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  Speaker 3: and like read at lunch.
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  Speaker 2: Es gave it to another you know, narrative.
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  Speaker 1: Do you believe the storyline if a girl like Rory
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  Speaker 1: went to school, you actually think teachers would would ask
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  Speaker 1: her to socialize more.
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  Speaker 3: You know, What's it's hard to believe that you know,
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  Speaker 3: a character like Rory. You know, there's something online that
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  Speaker 3: I looked up and I didn't I didn't realize it,
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  Speaker 3: but it's called, uh Rory, It's called Rory Gilmour syndrome
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  Speaker 3: of like having all this privilege and being so beautiful
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  Speaker 3: and perfect.
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  Speaker 2: So it's hard to imagine that like.
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  Speaker 3: That, like that character had any kind of difficulty. So
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  Speaker 3: it feels a little bit of like a but it is.
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  Speaker 3: It is, I think believable that, especially back in the day,
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  Speaker 3: that they would be like, hey, this person's a loner.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, I don't know what it's
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  Speaker 3: like in a in a private school. Maybe they take
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  Speaker 3: a special interest, especially with like a straight a student.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean in Rory's case, you know, she's
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't come from she actually does come from money,
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  Speaker 1: but not her mom, right, and she's walking into a
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  Speaker 1: situation where she's you know, she's confronted by extremely wealthy, entitled,
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  Speaker 1: privileged people. Yeah, so I kind of understand why she
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  Speaker 1: folded and just sort of you know, blocked out and
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  Speaker 1: zoned out and just wanted to get straight a's and
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  Speaker 1: get the heck out of there and get back home
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  Speaker 1: where her life was normal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, why would we watch if she wasn't struggling? Right,
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's.
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  Speaker 3: And I also love that the all of the obstacles
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  Speaker 3: do feel like really lived in in the.
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  Speaker 2: Show, you know, even even your your guys's relationship.
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  Speaker 3: Where she's she's thinking you're flirting with a with a
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  Speaker 3: woman and and you're like, no, I was giving her
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  Speaker 3: directions and and just I don't know, it felt as
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  Speaker 3: you know, like you're you're reliving the show and you're
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  Speaker 3: like the writing is so fantastic, so you you always
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  Speaker 3: just kind of go that feels like a very relatable
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  Speaker 3: miscommunication of like disconnect between two people where you see
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  Speaker 3: something out of context done in it all, the all
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  Speaker 3: of the obstacles really feel real to me. So and
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  Speaker 3: it does seem I don't know, just like it's it.
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  Speaker 3: I buy it, I mean, you know, but yeah, I definitely.
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  Speaker 3: I definitely feel like watching from the outside, you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this is such a perfect experience, and then you know,
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  Speaker 3: I definitely had a lot of compassion for Alexis like
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  Speaker 3: coming onto the show because just you know, her amount
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  Speaker 3: the amount of like work and pressure and uh.
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  Speaker 2: That was upon her.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, wow, that's you know, I had just
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  Speaker 3: a lot of compassion for her because it was like
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  Speaker 3: a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, eighteen years old and nine months you're locked down
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  Speaker 1: on a set. Yeah, I don't think she was expecting that.
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  Speaker 2: Probably not. It's hard.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard for anybody who hasn't experienced what a network.
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  Speaker 3: It's very much like a real it's a job. It's
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  Speaker 3: a nine to five job, and sometimes it's eighteen hours
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  Speaker 3: of a job.
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  Speaker 1: You know, right exactly, like six to six to four
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  Speaker 1: am job. Yeah, six six am to four am. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's just wild.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes I worked with Milo on Heroes.
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  Speaker 3: I was like a recurrent on that for the last season,
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  Speaker 3: and that was another crazy job where they would do.
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  Speaker 2: Like eighteen hours on that kind of show.
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  Speaker 3: It was because of the amount of effects and everything,
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  Speaker 3: and then you have a high turnover rate of like
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  Speaker 3: you know, having to do one every week. Like they
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  Speaker 3: were complex, very very ambitious episodes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's after nine months of that, you're ready for
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  Speaker 1: a long sleep.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, you know, yeah, absolutely yeah.
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  Speaker 1: People don't know. You have to experience it to really
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  Speaker 1: know how it feels.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you when you rewatch the episodes, is there
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  Speaker 3: anything that you wish you could go back and change
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  Speaker 3: when you like watch? Because for me watching it, I
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  Speaker 3: was like I was such a baby. I think that
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  Speaker 3: this was the first time I maybe was on a
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  Speaker 3: set without my parents, like I really like, I think
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  Speaker 3: I was maybe fifteen sixteen or I had like a
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  Speaker 3: somebody drive me, and I felt like I was there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I was there by myself, but
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  Speaker 2: I felt like I was.
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  Speaker 3: And because again it's a long time ago, but I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh man, this is just such a It
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  Speaker 3: was a sea.
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  Speaker 2: Change for me, like just a turning point moment.
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  Speaker 3: And I wish I had been more confident, you know,
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  Speaker 3: because I was just like a little baby. But I
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  Speaker 3: wish I'd been more confident and more like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like owned myself a little more. But how can you
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  Speaker 3: when you're so young, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, well to answer your question the only times and
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  Speaker 1: I don't really watch myself. I don't watch what I do.
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  Speaker 1: I can't bear it. It's hard, right, it's very, very difficult.
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  Speaker 1: And when I'm forced to, I look away and I
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think I scroll on my phone. I
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  Speaker 1: you know, I just don't want to pay attention to it.
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  Speaker 1: But on this there's so much to you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: twenty five years distance. Yeah, so it's like another watching
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  Speaker 1: another person, right, And you know, if I ever see
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  Speaker 1: things that I've done that I want to change, it's
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  Speaker 1: because of the writing on this show. It's really not Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there are a couple of things I would change, Yeah, admittedly,
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  Speaker 1: and I've stated this, but for the most part, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the writing was so superb that you just didn't want to.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that I take away from this now is
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  Speaker 1: that I just feel very lucky to have been cast
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  Speaker 1: in this because the writing's so good. And you know
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  Speaker 1: how that is when you're going to work and you
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  Speaker 1: get to be in that situation and say these things
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  Speaker 1: in this situation, it's really that's the power of it,
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  Speaker 1: because sometimes you go to work and you don't want
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  Speaker 1: to be in the situations that they're putting you in,
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  Speaker 1: and you don't have any power to really change it.
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  Speaker 1: You try, and then you get labeled like malcontent or
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  Speaker 1: something else, like watch out for this one. They have
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  Speaker 1: a working brain. So but yeah, I mean it was
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  Speaker 1: it was really I felt that way on a couple
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  Speaker 1: on another show too, where I get to go to
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  Speaker 1: work and I get to say this stuff and be
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  Speaker 1: in these situations. It's really cool. It's like they just
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  Speaker 1: sort of set you up for success. Yeah, and all
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  Speaker 1: I have to do is like not screw it up,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, That's how I felt about it, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So why do you think Paris is so threatened by Rory?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean she says it in the episode she goes,
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  Speaker 3: you wake up and look like this, even though she
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  Speaker 3: did get up and like put on lip gloss or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: Like you know, Alexis as the as the actress is
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  Speaker 3: just such a stunningly beautiful young lady that it's you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's easy to compare yourself and feel like you come
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  Speaker 3: up short kind of thing. So I think I think
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  Speaker 3: it's there's that, which is just sort of an obvious one.
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  Speaker 3: But then also Rory can stand up for herself in
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  Speaker 3: the way that Paris doesn't. So Paris Paris you know,
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  Speaker 3: acquiesces and tries to like bend herself to the pups
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  Speaker 3: to try to make these girls like her. I think
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  Speaker 3: we've all done that, right, We've sold ourselves out a
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  Speaker 3: little bit to try to make somebody like us, and
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  Speaker 3: then it still doesn't work, and we're.
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  Speaker 2: Like, man, you know that, it's such a it's such
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  Speaker 2: a it's a good lesson, right.
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  Speaker 3: And then and then Rory sitting in her power, not
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  Speaker 3: really caring about these girls, and and realizing.
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  Speaker 2: For what it is. It's like, this is just a click.
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  Speaker 3: It's not that important, it doesn't ultimately matter, Like she
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  Speaker 3: has her priorities straight. She's like, I do have friends,
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  Speaker 3: I do have a life like you guys don't know
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  Speaker 3: about it, but I don't need.
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  Speaker 2: To prove that to you.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's such a I mean, like we all with
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  Speaker 3: I wish I was that self possessed at like you know,
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  Speaker 3: seventeen sixteen or whatever, to be able to be like
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  Speaker 3: this doesn't matter and take it easy. You're you're okay
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  Speaker 3: without this. I think that's one of the reasons she's
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  Speaker 3: so threatened, is that, like Rory has a sense of herself,
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  Speaker 3: and Paris is trying to find herself, you know, And
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  Speaker 3: I think that's kind of you know, where we all
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  Speaker 3: are at in a certain chapter of our lives, where
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  Speaker 3: we're and I feel like you go through phases of that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, right where there's like the part of you
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  Speaker 3: that's the insecure, little kid part of you, and then
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  Speaker 3: you kind of feel like you get over it somehow,
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  Speaker 3: and then it comes back and you're like, how am I,
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  Speaker 3: you know, thirty seven years old, thirty eight years old,
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  Speaker 3: and I still feel like I'm awkward again?
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  Speaker 2: How did I get awkward again? I thought it was full.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like a constant I feel like losing and
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  Speaker 2: finding yourself.
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  Speaker 1: It is rather amazing that somebody sixteen years old can
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  Speaker 1: stand up for herself that way with such extreme intelligence
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  Speaker 1: and you know, emotional intelligence and extreme cool. She never
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  Speaker 1: really loses her cool at all. It is remarkable. It's
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  Speaker 1: very unique.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, And she also she advocates for this person that's
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  Speaker 3: not even really her friend, right, she advocates for Paris
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  Speaker 3: in a way that makes the girls like change their
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  Speaker 3: mind about her, and she uses a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: dark manipulation. You're like, WHOA.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, well, she might be going to another clique
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  Speaker 2: like how does she pull that one out? And You're like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: that's the power for me.
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  Speaker 1: It's like whoa she understands scarcity and sales.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yeah, it's pretty like you're saying, really remarkable.
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  Speaker 1: It is for somebody that you all right, So laurl
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  Speaker 1: I interacting with Chiltern, she gets a little peeved at this, uh,
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  Speaker 1: at this new reality that that her daughter's facing. So
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  Speaker 1: she pays a visit to Headminster, Charleston to defend Rory's
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  Speaker 1: loaner habits, and he reveals that Laurelized active participation is
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  Speaker 1: also low. So the tables turn on laurel I to
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  Speaker 1: what she says, like mother, like daughter. Emily soon discovers
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  Speaker 1: Laurelized lack of involvement at children and again is humiliated.
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  Speaker 1: Uh loural Ie shares she will join the boosters club.
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  Speaker 1: Uh is Emily right?
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Like again, this is one of those things of like
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  Speaker 3: the societal pressure of being a kind of mom that
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  Speaker 3: goes to all the PTA meetings as opposed to a
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  Speaker 3: mom that really understands their kid, which you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean is like where is the where is the
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  Speaker 3: emphasis placed? But but to a certain degree, maybe because
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  Speaker 3: she did her daughter did go into the school, so
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  Speaker 3: it's like you kind of have to play that game,
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  Speaker 3: I guess, and then she does, and you know you
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  Speaker 3: can't really I can't really can't change their stripes too much,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: It's like if you don't.
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  Speaker 3: Really want to be the PTA mom, which is pretty
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  Speaker 3: a pretty restrictive role, and especially for that character to
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  Speaker 3: try to step into. I think she was just again
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  Speaker 3: trying to live by her own standards, and then I
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  Speaker 3: was like, Okay, I'll do this for my daughter, but
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  Speaker 3: it's not not natural.
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  Speaker 1: Well do you think Laurla did the right thing going
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  Speaker 1: to the headmaster's office? Is she being too overprotective?
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  Speaker 3: No? I think she was trying to stand up for
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  Speaker 3: her kid in the face of like what feels like
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  Speaker 3: it's not appropriate. And also again she's she's defending what
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  Speaker 3: her life really is, which is outside of this little,
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  Speaker 3: the very restrictive box of the private school and their expectations.
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  Speaker 3: I think she did absolutely was right, and what any
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  Speaker 3: mom that really understands their kid and what their kid's
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  Speaker 3: life is really like, that's that involved, right, It would
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  Speaker 3: be rare in real life for a mother to know
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  Speaker 3: that much about her teenage daughter, probably, but in this
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  Speaker 3: perfect world where the mothers and daughters have open communication,
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  Speaker 3: she's like, no, this is this is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Right, all right, let's go to the fashion show. So
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  Speaker 1: she's a new member of the Booster Club, Laura Elias,
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  Speaker 1: and she's well liked.
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  Speaker 3: Which also feels like the Booster Club. When she did
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  Speaker 3: the line, it's like she made it up and it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: that was a real thing. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 3: caught that in the show where it's like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the Booster Club, right, she was making Yeah, she thought
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  Speaker 3: it was a joke, and it's like, okay, the Booster
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  Speaker 3: Club does do a lot of good work.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Thought cute, Like that's the real thing.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: So Laurel I offers to host the chilt and fashion
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: show at the end, but soon discovers she'll have to
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: participate in the fashion show herself. So luckily, uh, Laurel
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I shamelessly volunteers Emily to be in the fashion show,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: but shortly finds out that they will be matching as
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: a mother and daughter team. What do you think of
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: this scene? Did did you? Did you enjoy seeing these
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: two together? And you know, kind of enjoying each other's
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: company for the first time, like ever.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, it's always nice when when two people
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: who are sort of opponents in a way like become
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: peas in a pod again, you know. And that's one
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: of my favorite moments actually, when you like when you
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: look over and you're like kind of rooting her on
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: and she's walking down the runway. That's like such a
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: cute moment, and I just think, I think it's it's
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: one of these things where it's like, oh, you know,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: you always try to make peace with becoming your parents,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: or you're like you don't want to, you rail against it,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: and then there's parts of yourself as you get older
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: that you look at and you're like, hmmm, I'm a
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: little like them in certain ways, or at least I
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: can make peace with the parts of myself that I
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: refuse to look at that are like them, you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: my stubbornness that mirrors my mother, my whatever I can go,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: you know what, there's parts of that that I actually
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: really can celebrate, and that's so beautiful. So yeah, I
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: think this is one of actually my favorite moments in
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: this episode.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: You know, And.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Brenda Strong was so funny in this episode, and she
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: had that line to Laurel I complimenting her on a
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: great job in a great fashion show. And you really
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: went the extra mile. I mean even hired an actor
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to play a snooty French French guy.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: It's so funny, it's ridiculous, it's so funny.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Grenda is strong, like just like what an all
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: star fantastic cast, you know, right right. And I got
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: to meet her. She is just like Grace personified in
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: real life.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: She was fantastic.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: She was just amazing.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I wonder, I wonder, like what her like most famous
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: role is, you know, because I know definitely that that
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: episode of Seinfeld where she's like the braw lady. You know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: that's like, to me, one of the things that sticks
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: in my mind. I know she also voiced I think
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: she did the voiceover for Desperate House Like she's she's
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: just like the iconic television actress. And then also I
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: think she's also directed like she just I don't know,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: just one of those people that I when I was younger,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: that I looked up to. And then I got to
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: meet her, and she lived up to every expectations. You know,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: when you meet someone in the industry, You're like, gosh,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I just think they're they really had a cool career
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: and also like and then they are also like cool people.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: That's to me, Eve, right, that's that's and she is
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: all of that. Yes she was. She was remarkable to
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: work with and I didn't get I just had that
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: one little quick thing with her, but I got to
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: spend some time with her on set. She's she's iconic.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: She's iconic and just so tall and stunning Amazon.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the kidnapping. Okay, So the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Puffs kidnapped Rory in the middle of the night, just
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: as Laura Lai had warned her they might. Paris clearly
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: caught off garden Is looking like a total mess. That
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: was pretty funny.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked I liked the pimple cream.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I liked that addition, even though she had no pimples
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: on her face, but I love that in television.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And so she gets whisked away, spirited away, and after
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: sneaking into Chiltern, the girls are all caught by Headmaster
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Chiltern and security. And they were going into Headmaster Chilton's
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: office to ring a bell to initiate Rory and you,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: by the way, right, yes, you were being initiated.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: One of the kidnapped kids, that's right.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: And so the Headmaster Charlton springs and Rory defends her
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: actions by explaining she was encouraged by him to socialize
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: and find a group of friends. She did, and it's
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: something she actually never wanted. So it was a great speech.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great speech, sech.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: And after remembering that he was culpable here, Headmaster Charleston
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: apologizes and that he mentions he might have been too
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: hasty to judge. Why do you think Rory agreed to
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: do this to be kidnapped? Because you know, Laura gave
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: her the heads up. You think it's kind of seems
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: a little outside of Rory's comfort zone. But why do
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you think she agreed to this?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Again?
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I think she really cares about her future, right, Like
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: she's such an intellect and then going to Harvard is
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: like her dream, and she just is trying to play
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: the game so that she can, like you were saying,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: keep her head down and kind of like you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: go through the motions, you know, And and she has
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: a sense of herself above it, so she's like that's
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: above the situation, so she doesn't. I think she plays
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: along knowing she's not going to get like sucked into
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: any of this stuff. And I mean, how fantastic to
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: have that as like a.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: A role model.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: But I think it's really funny when they're doing the
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: little like ceremony, they're like secret Society ceremony, and she's like,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: you know, like you know, she's just like she's just
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: going through, like I'm going to ring the bell, but
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I really don't want to well you know, and it's
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: just like it was just yeah, I remember, I remember
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: that scene was I think it took us a while
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: to film that scene. It was like, you know one
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: of those where you do a few takes and you're
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: like okay, and I was just like, oh man, Yeah.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: It was one of the few times that show was
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: like one of the few times where it's like I'm
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: like maybe not as like I'm happy I don't have
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: that much dialogue.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I had like two lines in the whole episode.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: So anyway, but yeah, it was just it was a
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: really fun and all the other girls that were there
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: were really lovely and fun and everybody was really warm.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: So that was really nice, really really nice, you know.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: To work with other girls, and you're like, you're just
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: happy to be there.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Did that ever happen to you? Were you ever kidnapped
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: for any kind of initiation school or anything. No.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I always I always wanted some out of the box
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: thing to happen to me. But my whole life has
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: been sort of strange and out of the box. So
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: I think that, you know, those extra things haven't luckily
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: have not happened, like a fake kidnapping. That's also a
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: great plot device in Jawbreaker, which is one of my
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: favorite movies from this like era as well, like the
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: early two thousands, late nineties.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Like that was you know, this is like.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: So many people's like comfort show because it was such
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: a part of their like adolescence and they're they're growing
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: up with Rory, you know. So it was like a
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: really big part of so many people's lives, and it's
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: one of those things that not to minimize, but like
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I sometimes forget I was on the show because it
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: was like maybe two days of my life.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: But I but.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I was so excited because I had actually, like if
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: memory serves, auditioned to play Rory, like you know, and
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: so I was like excited to be a part of
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: the show was like a big deal, I think the
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: second season or something, and so I was just like
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: happy to be like involved at all, like get invited
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: to the party.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: You read for Rory?
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, I did.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Oh tell us about that? Tell us about that?
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, look, I was fourteen. I think when
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: they auditioned, I was very young, and so I don't
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: know if I was really seriously considered. I think I
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: did get close. I know that Amy Sherman Palladino did
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: remember me, and Gavin Polone remembered me from the audition.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I think that's part of the reason that I kind
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: of got cast in this role. I was like lucky
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: enough to be remembered. I must not have blown it
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: too bad, which I did for many many auditions of
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: my life that I've that I've blocked out so long ago.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I did. I did read for Rory. And but.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, obviously Alexis did a fantast
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: We actually had the same birthday me and Alexis.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Oh is that right?
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she's September sixteenth, So uh yeah, So
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I think she did a fantastic job, and she was
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: just a couple of years older than me, and I
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: know that they searched for a long time for the.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Role, so yeah, they did. They saw a lot of
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: people for these roles. Yeah, and credit to Amy and
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the team to really fight for who they thought was
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: perfect for the role and not just go for names.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Can I ask you well, because back in the day,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: there was more like people actually auditioned and if you
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: were good.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: You got the job. That was like, that's now that's
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: not the case.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: If you're high on a list or whatever, that's you
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: get the job.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: But you don't necessarily have to know how to say
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: the words like everybody else had to do.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Right, What was the audition process for you?
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: And I forgive me if you've if you've stated it already,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: but I'm always curious because I wonder what the testing
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: process was like for you or Yeah.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: So you're you're gonna hate me for this. But the
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Loop role was in the pilot only a guest star,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: So all I had to do was I went in
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: one day. I met Amy and Gavin and Leslie Lincot
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Gladder who was directing the pilot, and the casting people,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: and I read one scene and then I said, see ya,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: because I was going to another three auditions that day
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: that this was the second. You were so loose, Probably
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I was, and I didn't care. Yeah, I just I
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: was prepared, but I did not care because because I was,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I was. I had about a two year streak where
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I was just nailing everything and not getting the offer.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: And it was always like, you know, he did great,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: but we're gonna go with so and so. Always every
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: everything right, and so I just didn't care anymore. So
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I had like this what I call the dumb courage
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: of the truly burnt out. You know, I was just
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: like I didn't care what anybody thought of my reads anymore,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and so I just did what I wanted to do instinctively,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and you know, I've prepared the night before and all that.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so after the first scene, I said, see
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you gotta go, you know, bye bye, And they said, no,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: you have another scene. I said, no, I don't. I said,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: we'll look on your side. And he says, well, it
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: says Duke. Who's Duke. No, that's Luke. It's a misprint.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: So how am I supposed to do and prepare the scene?
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: So I said, go prepare the scene? So I prepared
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the scene, five minutes later, did the scene, left, had
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the job. By the time I got home, it was
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: on my answering machine, remember answering machines.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Amazing, that's amazing. And then you got it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: And then they were like, actually, we want to bump
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: you up to series regular.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: No, no, so I go up. I do the pilot
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: in Toronto. We did it in Toronto and film the
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: series of Warner Brothers obviously, and so we did the
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: pot So that was like the heat check, right, That
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: was the chemistry check.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Was the job?
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Was the chemistry check. I was still auditioning for the job,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: but it was a paid chemistry I was getting paid
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: to have a chemistry check with Lauren. So it did
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the job. Came home, manager call little Waller said they
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: want to book you for two episodes and I'm gonna
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: say no. I said, what do you What do you
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: mean you're gonna say no? She goes, because I want
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: you to be on the show. And I'm like, okay,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: well try that. And then they called back and said
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: we won him for four episodes, and she said no.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: So she called Gavin Palone, who she knew, and said,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: grow a pair, go into Warner Brothers and get him
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: a deal. You know you want him, you know the
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: chemistry's good. Let's go. So we did. And that's how
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I got it. I didn't have to test, I didn't
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: have to go through anything. The test was the job
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: in Toronto, working with Lauren.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: That is fantastic. I don't hate you for that. I
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: think that's fair.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's a great way to do it well.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Also, again, it's such a different like it's it reminds
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: me of this time in the industry where there was
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: just people who did fight for you. You could get
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: like you could be good in a room and also
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: get because people are so passionate about you, you can
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: get this like.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: You know, fantastic, like life.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Changing, career changing role from just being good one time
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: in a room. Nowadays, from all my friends who are
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: you know, directors, casting directors, other actors. How casting works nowadays,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: from what I understand a lot of the time is
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: they have their A choice and their B choice and
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: because nobody can agree on the A choice or the
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: B choice, nine times out of ten, the person who
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: gets the job is the C choice because they don't
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: because they just don't hate that person, because they're not
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: like passion.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: They're more neutral. And when you watch a lot of shows,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: you're like, man, there's a lot of sea choices.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Up there, right right right.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: That's why people go back to this show so often
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: because the casting is fantastic, you know.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I agree, they nailed the casting on this so well. Yeah,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and it's like as great a performance as Lauren gives,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I feel that every other actor in this show delivers
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: an equally stunning performance.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, just no matter how big or small,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the role is as memorable, you know, maybe not as
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: emotionally involved. We don't get to spend as much time.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: We spend a lot of time with Lauren, and we should.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: It's our show. So but yeah, what a.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Ca There's not a week link in the bunch.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: No, And that's another exciting The exciting part of the
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: job was you get to go, you know, hit the
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: ball around with some great players.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's that it improves your game.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: You just kind of you get shirt automatically as.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: It's like you know, you know it's sink or swim
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: over there, because man, I tell you, you know, it's like
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: it's like the New York theater scene they'll just eat
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: you alive. If you can't hang right, they will just
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: chew you up, spit you out. Next. Yeah, it's like
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and that's what this was like. And it was just
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: like perfect environment for me, perfect, just so great. Love
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the challenges that that show presented because you don't get that. Yeah, no,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you don't get you don't get that now.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: You definitely don't get the level of writing that the
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: show obviously had. But then also, like you're saying, when
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: you work nowadays, sometimes somebody will be cast who's like
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: an influencer or like whatever. I mean, I haven't worked
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: with too many people like that, but then, but from
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: what I hear, it's like it's just like putting training
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: wheels on and learning to write it. They don't know
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: how to do anything more than like not to minimize.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Because there's some influencers who are talented and amazing, but
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: they sometimes don't know how to do more than like
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: fifteen seconds to a minute at a time. So doing
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: a six page scene or a monologue where you have
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: to be verbatim perfect, no, and they get recast. And
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: so it's an expensive mistake that people make nowadays by
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: not like just actually reading people and then giving the
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: role to the person who's right for the job.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: It's just so unfortunate, and I mean, all I have
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: to do is like, I'm sure you do it, and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: you see it, and I see it, and I look
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: through these shows and I'm like, how on earth did
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: they did this get made? With these people? What's happening?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: You know? Where are the standards? The standards are just
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: out the window now Again.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: It's perceived value more than just somebody who can really
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: make you feel something, right, right, I think again, like
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: like we were saying, like I was saying earlier, like
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: you sell yourself out to try to like get somebody
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: to like you. And I feel like our industry has
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: done a little bit of that. They've tried to sell
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: themselves out kind of to get more people to like us.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: In the process, less and less people do.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Right, because it's no longer you know, the the the
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: format has changed, the business model has changed completely. It's
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: not about gathering people around the TV set once a
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: week at a prescribed time. It's about and then keeping
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: them for year after year after. It's not about that.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: It's about it's about just jamming overwhelming amounts of content
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: down everybody's throat, right, doesn't matter if it's any good,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: and it's never going to have a chance, it's never
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: going to have a chance to build a real community
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: around it, except for the outlier you know this maybe
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: a Stranger Things or something like that. And even those
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: shows don't last beyond you know, four years, because then,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: you know, the business model doesn't allow that show to continue.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: They just want to just keep you know, keep general
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: churning out all of this new content content content. And
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: that's a constructive you know, that's a contract of construct
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: of big tech. That's how they want it, right, And
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: it's like, my desire to remain in the business is
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: not what it was because of this process and who's
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: getting cast and how they're getting everything that you've pointed out.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: And it's not like adapt or die. It's like it's
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: you know, maintaining standards. It's like, what quality of work
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: are you willing to do? You know, how far are
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: you willing to lower your standards to have a job
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: in the industry.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, people will, people will.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Times is tough, so people will do whatever to kind
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: of you know, times are.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Tough, right, yes, exactly, Yeah, but.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I think it's also like sort of like mirroring the
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: socioeconomic landscape as well, because if you only keep people
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: for four years, and you have a deal with them
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: for only four years, and you don't have to renegotiate
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: because the show is not going to go beyond that,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: they can keep people coming in and going for cheap
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: and it's the new thing, the new thing, the new thing,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: so that people don't get a chance to really build
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: their career and gain longevity and also increase their value.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: So there it's a way of sort of keeping things
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: fast and cheap and the hot new thing, and it's
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: it's it's an unfortunate part of what the industry has become,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: but it wasn't what the industry was. And I feel
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: really lucky that I kind of grew up in a
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: version of the industry. Like when I was on The Nanny,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: I got to work with I got to work with
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Elizabeth Taylor, I got to work with like Donald O'Connor,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: like these like legends of like the silver screen, like
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: I was even though because I was so young, but
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I got an education from like Jason Alexander did a
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: guest star on The Nanny, so I got to talk
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: like to George Costanza and he you know, we did
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: the times together. Like I got to have these amazing
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: moments of like learning from a totally different generation than
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: my own and really got such a beautiful education in
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: terms of you know, like watching people in their craft
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: and also they're professionalism, there their grace, Like people who
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: came on the show. I remember just feeling like, wow,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: these are the best humans. They told the best like
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, like the character actors, best stories. They were
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: always going to like you know, they had family vacations planned.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: I was just like, I was like, I want to
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: grow up and be a working actor, you know, and
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: just and just continue to do this because those to
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: me were the like most lovely humans.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, I'm still doing it. But it's crazy.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: It's a crazy industry. Now.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the epitaph for the industry. I mean, I feel
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: for great filmmakers. I feel for all the visionary filmmakers
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: and that aren't going to be able to express their voice.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I feel for people like you know, the next crop
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: of Tarantinos, you know, this kind of thing. I mean,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: that guy was Technology pushed that guy out of the
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: business because he couldn't do it on film, and he
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: was rebelling against digital and continues to And it's sad
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: because that, you know, the great storytellers of our time
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: are being defeated by technology. That's one of the big
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: things I noticed on the Netflix episodes when we came
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: back to do those episodes. The level of technology overwhelmed
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the set. It became about what they were capable of doing,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and they got some great stuff, but at what cost,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So I know I feel
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the same way. I'm watching it too, and it's you know,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: what do you I don't know what to do about it.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Just accept forge alliances with like minded people, and do
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: your own projects the way you want to do them.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: I think that's I think that's really the secret. And
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: also the form changes, right because there is like like
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: YouTube has has made it possible for there be for
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: there to be a democratization of content. So if people
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: do put something together that's good and they can just
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: put it out themselves, they bypass a lot of the
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: the monsters of the industry that are like the gatekeepers,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: you know. So so I think like there is hope
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: for for new generations of storytellers if we can all
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: keep our attention span growing, which I know my attention
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: span is.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Being chopped up as well.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: So I think it's just, you know, we're all we're
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: all in a in a in an interesting chapter of
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: life with the like the like the threat of AI
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: and all these kind of things, and I think the
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: only thing that really can keep us, you know, grounded
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: and tethered to our own humanity is, like you were saying,
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: to connect with other humans that like share your values,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: mirror even like higher standards back and and can keep
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: us kind of like in a place of hopefulness because
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: we have have to keep hope alive. We have to
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: keep that little spark of inspiration and joy and the
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: love of storytelling and the love of connecting with people
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: through shared experience. You know, I think just just remaining
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: to just keep that as as the core of what
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: we need to share with each other so that we
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: can kind of see ourselves through what feels like kind
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: of a dark chapter. Not to be heavy, sorry, like
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: it's a light podcast. I have no problem. I'm like
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: always bringing in the existential dread questions.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Sorry, that's okay. I mean somebody's got to play Devil's
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: advocate because nobody wants to do it anymore, I'll just
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: want to go along, right And.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, And I feel the same because Med.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: And it's like, come on for you to speak speaking up?
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, because again I'm from I'm even
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: though I'm I'm young ish, I'm not really that young,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: but like I feel like I'm I'm to this older
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: generation because of this lineage of storytelling and because I
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: have been doing this for so long, I have so
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: much skin in the game, like an embarrassing amount, you know,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Like you know, when you've been doing something for thirty
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: something years, you should be.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Able to retire.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I wish I could so, but but uh yeah, you know.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: But that's why people love this show, right, That's why
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: people come back. That's why I watch Friends over and
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: I fall asleep watching Friends every night, you know what
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I mean. Because I'm like, it's.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: That cast is perfection.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: This cast is perfection because they they really had to
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: earn every role and they were the best for that role.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Period.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: You know, it was more of a meritocracy when we
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: were coming up, right, it just was more It's still
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: there were still people who got jobs, and like there
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: was still like this and that.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: But.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: It was much more like, if you were good, you
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: could survive. In fact, you could thrive.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Well. If I had to do it all over again,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I would have entered professional wrestling.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you smell what theck is cooking? And you're like,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: and then I would just have my own production studio
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: and I could.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I never should have left the gym. In the gym,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: go not acting classes to stay in the gym. Madeline,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: you have to come back. We have more ground to cover.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'd love to at least come back.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: It was really great talking to you and I love
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: your insights, So you have to come back. We're gonna
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: make that commitment right now. It's a verbal contract. So
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: if you don't come back, you're in trouble.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Oh good, I'm a.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Good deal. Good deal, Madelin Zeema, thank you so much.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: We're going to wrap this up right now. Best fans
• 45:53
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