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Katie Woolf spoke with Senator Luke Gosling · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Heading on down to Canberra right now, because joining us
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  Speaker 1: on the line is Labour's Member for Solomon, Luke Gosling.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Luke, Good morning Katie.
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  Speaker 1: How are you really well? Mate?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: I understand that today that the federal government is introducing
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  Speaker 1: that bill for the two seats well in the territory.
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  Speaker 1: I guess we've fought a lot on this, or you
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  Speaker 1: and I haven't, but the territory has fought quite hard
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  Speaker 1: on this. I made it sound like we've been fighting
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  Speaker 1: with each other. We need this to happen, there is
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  Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And it does look as though
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  Speaker 1: this common sense will prevail and the legislation will go
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  Speaker 1: through this week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we're hoping, Katie. But yeah, time will tell.
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  Speaker 2: Tomorrow into the Senate, the government is saying they'll introduce
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  Speaker 2: their legislation. So we look forward to that and hopefully
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  Speaker 2: I'll be able to let you know sort of early
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  Speaker 2: next week that it's gone through and we've secured those
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  Speaker 2: two seats. So I just wanted to thank you everyone
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  Speaker 2: who sort of assisted, regardless of your politics, us having
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  Speaker 2: our federal representation down here on Canberra. Har was just
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  Speaker 2: nonsense and I'm looking forward to getting that behind us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, it will be you know, it'll just
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  Speaker 1: be I think a point for us all to sigh
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  Speaker 1: relief once that does go through.
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  Speaker 2: Luke.
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  Speaker 1: It is looking as though it will happen before Christmas, though,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what the Federal government have committed to that.
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  Speaker 2: They have committed that it will be guaranteed in law
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  Speaker 2: by the end of the sitting year, which is at
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  Speaker 2: the end of next week. But we're hoping because it's
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  Speaker 2: a two week sitting, but we're hoping we can wrap
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  Speaker 2: it up this sitting week.
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  Speaker 1: Well, keep us up to date and let us know
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  Speaker 1: how that all tracks along. Luke, I am keen to
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  Speaker 1: ask you. You and I obviously spoke last week about
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  Speaker 1: the Brereton Report. Now we know that tensions with China
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  Speaker 1: really you'd have to say, reached an all time high yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: with China's Foreign Ministry spokesman posting this doctored image of
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  Speaker 1: an Australian soldier holding a bloody knife to the throat
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  Speaker 1: of an Afghan child in an attempt to criticize Australia
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  Speaker 1: over the Brereton War crimes inquiry. The Prime Minister Scott
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  Speaker 1: Morrison has labeled the post repugnant. What would you say.
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  Speaker 2: There was a disgusting image, really terrible and not becoming
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  Speaker 2: a nation that wants to take a leadership role in
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  Speaker 2: the world, or just a shared leadership role in our region.
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  Speaker 2: We'd expect more than that from them, and I think
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  Speaker 2: what we can be proud of is that a liberal
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  Speaker 2: democracy that we had this investigation, that people will be
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  Speaker 2: held to account for alleged crimes. That's our nation. That's
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  Speaker 2: the way that we conduct ourselves, is putting the sunlight
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  Speaker 2: onto these issues, not shying away from it. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think China can say the same thing about the way
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  Speaker 2: they conduct their internal security operations, the way their human
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  Speaker 2: rights track record. We need only think back to Tenement
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  Speaker 2: Square to see a situation where there was a lack
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  Speaker 2: of transparency or following of any proper rule of law.
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  Speaker 2: So I just think we need cool heads to prevail here.
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  Speaker 2: The relationship with China is very important to Australia, but
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  Speaker 2: we should always stand up for Australian interests. I think
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  Speaker 2: we can be proud of the fact that we have
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  Speaker 2: had this Burden inquiry to look into serious allegations and
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  Speaker 2: that they need now to be followed through.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, and I just thought it
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  Speaker 1: was it was a disgraceful post and I know that
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  Speaker 1: the Prime Minister had also called called for an apology.
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  Speaker 1: I doubt that that's going to happened, but it was
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  Speaker 1: pretty disgusting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an ideat that's going to happen as well.
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  Speaker 2: And you know it's you know when that came out,
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  Speaker 2: you saw the Parliament galvanize as Team Australia. This is
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  Speaker 2: no time to be playing politics, whether it be with
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  Speaker 2: the recommendations around the Burden inquiry or with our foreign relations.
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  Speaker 2: I do think the Federal government needs to give their
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  Speaker 2: diplomatic efforts a serious look. There is a problem when
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  Speaker 2: our biggest trading partner we can't even have a dialogue
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  Speaker 2: with them, which is the current situation. So I think
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  Speaker 2: they need to look at that seriously. But we are
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  Speaker 2: not we are not being critical of the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 2: He obviously needed to come out strongly. I recommend anyone
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  Speaker 2: to have good Penny Wong, who's the Shadow Foreign Minister's
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  Speaker 2: response to that tweet into that image, she spoke very clearly,
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  Speaker 2: very strongly, and what is important is our national interest
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  Speaker 2: is what the federal government is concentrating on protecting every day.
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  Speaker 1: Look, just finally, I do want to ask you about
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  Speaker 1: I know that Jackie Lamby today has again renewed those
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  Speaker 1: calls you know, for further investigations into suicide when you
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  Speaker 1: talk about our veterans. I believe that she's taken out
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  Speaker 1: some full page advertisements in some of our larger national newspapers,
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  Speaker 1: with a number of people signing those advertisements pushing for
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  Speaker 1: this royal commission. What needs to happen in this space
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  Speaker 1: from your perspective, a.
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  Speaker 2: Royal commission is required into veteran and defense suicides. We've
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  Speaker 2: had at least ten in the last three weeks. Now.
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  Speaker 2: That's not to say that things haven't improved with the
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  Speaker 2: services the Department of Veterans Affairs providing, but it's clear
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  Speaker 2: that we need an arm's length review of the whole
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  Speaker 2: continuum from recruiting through to end of days for veterans
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  Speaker 2: and their families. That is what needs to happen the
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  Speaker 2: federal government instead, and you and I have talked about
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  Speaker 2: it before, Cody have sort of just come up with
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  Speaker 2: a work around Internal Commissioner for Defense and Veterans Suicide,
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  Speaker 2: which is going to be really ineffective and isn't going
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  Speaker 2: to get us the recommendations that we need from experts,
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  Speaker 2: from the families. So we support Labor supports a royal
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  Speaker 2: commission in the veteran and defend suicide, and that the
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  Speaker 2: government finally sees that this is such an important issue,
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  Speaker 2: so important to get right and agrees and we can
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  Speaker 2: crack on and get those recommendations to improve the overall system.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Luke Gosling, we are going to have to
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  Speaker 1: leave it there. I always appreciate your time, mate, Thanks
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  Speaker 1: so much for having a chat with us this morning,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll keep up to date with the situation in Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: Keep cool, Katie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh mate, it's hot here. I'm sure it's probably
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  Speaker 1: a bit cooler in Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to get a bit warm. I think everywhere's
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  Speaker 2: getting a bit warmer.
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  Speaker 1: Good on you, Luke, thank you. And yeah, as you've
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  Speaker 1: heard there obviously Luke Goslings saying we do need a
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  Speaker 1: royal commission. I know that that is something that Jackie
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  Speaker 1: Lamby has spoken out again about today. You know, Originally
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  Speaker 1: I thought to myself maybe we're taking the right tag
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  Speaker 1: t here the federal government in terms of appointing the
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  Speaker 1: person who looks into this more broadly. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is. But even from
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  Speaker 1: hearing from Luke just then that there's been ten suicides
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  Speaker 1: he says that they know of in the last three weeks,
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  Speaker 1: that is unbelievable. It's incredibly heavy stuff, and it just
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  Speaker 1: goes to show you how important this is and how
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  Speaker 1: important it is for us as Ozzies to make sure
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  Speaker 1: you know that we get this right, that we support
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  Speaker 1: those veterans and those still serving.