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The Little Mermaid · A Really Good Podcast with Greg & Liz

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  SPEAKER_02: Arya, listen to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: The human world, it's a mess.
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  SPEAKER_02: Life under the sea is better than anything they got up there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of a really good podcast with Greg and Liz.
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  SPEAKER_00: And today's episode once again is being recorded at 6 45 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_00: So oh, I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: 7 15 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now 7.15, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's practically noon.
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  SPEAKER_00: So sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is like the first time I've spoken all morning.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I'm very excited about today's episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's one that's been on my list forever.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's really a perfect episode topic.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a Disney movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of reimaginings.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a creepy bass story.
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  SPEAKER_00: And just a really sad but beautiful tale.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, I it's interesting because I actually did my due diligence and listened to I listened to the original Hans Christian Anderson story.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's some dark stuff in there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but I think it ends, I think it's better in a lot of ways.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, actually, that's something I want to talk about at the end, about the ending.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, well, no, because we're talking about the Hans Christian Anderson one today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're talking about both.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're talking about the whole The Little Mermaid.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, can I say something about the Little Mermaid though?
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  SPEAKER_00: You can say a lot of things about the Little Mermaid.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's strange.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_03: When I was a kid, this must have been 1989.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because this came into the movie theaters in 1989, the Disney one, not the Hans Christian.
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  SPEAKER_03: So obviously that never.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, whatever.
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  SPEAKER_03: So my father took me and my sister, my sister and I, to the movies to see two movies in one day.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it was The Little Mermaid for Her and Ninja Turtles, the first, the original Ninja Turtles for me, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And that must have been such a big day for a parent, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: To do two back-to-back movies.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did you?
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like we talked about this.
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  SPEAKER_00: You did that with your dad another day, didn't you?
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  SPEAKER_03: That was no, because that was the day.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, that that he never he never talked to the movies ever again.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I remember you talking about this because I remember I specifically asked you if you paid for both movies.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, it was it was it was crazy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's a good question, actually.
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  SPEAKER_03: You just stay and go on for different movies.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it would be madness to go back out and be like, hey, we're gonna go see another one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's run this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Can I give you another$7.95 or whatever it was then?
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  SPEAKER_03: Can you imagine being uh your kids now?
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  SPEAKER_03: Because so I was seven years old and sitting through two movies.
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  SPEAKER_03: Could kids do that now?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, is that possible?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Dylan, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: She watched all five descendants movies in like one day the other day.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But at the movie theater, it is more difficult because you're not like able to lay upside down on the couch or do any of that creepy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I just think that must have been like a huge thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the other thing that bothered me, and I've been noticing, so there's there's a great I remember this specifically being a kid, and like there's the scene with a chef, which is a great scene.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_03: He's trying to kill the side.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Great song, too.
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  SPEAKER_03: Great soundtrack all around, anyways.
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  SPEAKER_03: Kids, and this I I saw this in my own house with like neighbor kids, like they'd be watching a Disney movie, and then something would happen, and they would like laugh out loud, like it was so hysterical.
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  SPEAKER_03: And myself and my own kids, who I grew up to be, I guess, misers, would be like, laugh out loud.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's it's amusing.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's a smile.
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  SPEAKER_03: Cracking up, we're not cracking up, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's funny.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, look, that's kind of funny that he's trying to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: You're like, oh, I laughed out loud in reality.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're just like does that if does it take a lot for you to be like watching a movie and then all of a sudden you're laughing out loud?
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't tell you the last one.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't watch a ton of movies.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've told you this before.
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  SPEAKER_00: It stresses me out because then I have to pick another movie to watch the next day.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I like a TV show that like makes the decision for me.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: But I've been trying to watch that new Adam Sandler movie, not with him, with his daughter, where the mom gets cancer.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: It actually is a little funny, but yeah, I would say movies, they don't maybe we're going off the rails here like we always do.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_03: But say you're on a first date, okay, watching, you know, you're you go to the movies, and this person's cracking up like scene after scene in the movie.
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  SPEAKER_03: Red flag?
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  SPEAKER_00: I did that once when we went to see Pineapple Express.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's actually a funny movie, though.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was really funny.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, it depends.
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  SPEAKER_00: What are you laughing at?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the that's the big kicker.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because like I'm complete, if I go on a date with somebody and they're like having the time of their life, like I'm not gonna judge that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really?
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  SPEAKER_00: If it's like to, you know, Tucker Carlson or like Joe Rogan, maybe.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're we're rethinking things, you know.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what are you talking about?
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  SPEAKER_00: Wait, so let's veer back to the little mermaid.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let's get back.
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  SPEAKER_00: The reason why I have been thinking about it is my kids, as we talked about, I think last week or the week before, were both in The Little Mermaid.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for two weeks, they were in this Little Mermaid camp, and Crosby was Prince Eric, so he had a ton of lines.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I ran all of his lines with him.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if anyone needs someone to perform in a children's production of The Little Mermaid Jr., put you in Grimsby specifically, like call me up, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I got it all, I got it down.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I spent a lot of times like listening to the songs and everything, and I do want to talk about the songs, but there are different ones in the Broadway show.
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  SPEAKER_00: They add more, so there were songs like there's one called Human Stuff by Scuttle when she brings him the Dingle Hopper and Crosby as Prince Eric had a solo.
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  SPEAKER_00: He has a song where he teaches her like how to dance and like move around and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Probably teaches her a lot of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, bless his heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: The girl was a foot taller than him, and they made her they made her wear heels, so they're like trying to like waltz, and it was like, oh bud.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was cute.
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  SPEAKER_00: But so I spent a lot of time thinking about The Little Mermaid, and it's a really good story, but then like watching reading the Hans Christian Anderson or Hans, it's Hans Christian Anderson.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have learned.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did you know that?
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  SPEAKER_03: Is it well?
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  SPEAKER_03: No, I always went with Hans thinking I was apparently not Hans.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's Hans.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm probably still gonna say Hans.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like HCA.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, HCA.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's do HCA.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, all right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I thought first we'd talk about the Disney movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can kind of just tie in the Disney movie, the live action movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did watch most of the fairy tale of theater episode.
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  SPEAKER_03: And was that Duvall Ariel?
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  SPEAKER_03: No, it's not Ariel.
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  SPEAKER_00: Duval wasn't, I think she only starred in like one or two of them.
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  unknown: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know who was in it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Helen Miren.
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  SPEAKER_03: She was the mermaid?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, she was the princess that so in the Hans Christian Anderson one, he like falls in love with someone else and like marries someone else.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't end well for the little mermaid.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, so it's always in those versions that there's like a princess that comes out when he's on the beach, when he's beached.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like referring to things as beached.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's funny.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's Helen Mirren.
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  SPEAKER_00: Also, Treat Williams.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember him?
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: He was on the show Everwood.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was the dad.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was on like a lot of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's a pretty new.
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  SPEAKER_00: But they were they were like young.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, I know that obviously there this was 40 years ago, but you always think of Helen Mirren as old.
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  SPEAKER_03: I I think of Helen Mirren as basic like as knowing Christian Anderson, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like for being around for a bit.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I guess I guess that's not true, you know?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, no, but I mean, 40 years ago, because this was probably like mid-80s, I want to say.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: It was definitely in the 80s.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, the CGI, like Dylan was like, I can't even look at this.
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  SPEAKER_00: At one point, the mermaids to make them look like they were in the water and their hair was all over the place, they very obviously took like a leaf blower and put it under them, and it's just sticking straight up.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was so funny.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about the Disney movie, right?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: I yeah, I mean the Hans Christian Anderson, I feel like there's so much more detail, so even though it's first, we'll do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the Disney movie was released in 1989.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember the BHS tape that had the dick on the cover?
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  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: You don't remember this.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: So you know how Disney is well established for Yeah, like Simba's got a boner or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: So the one for The Little Mermaid, I'm gonna text it to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's oh oh the castles, like the castles are a bunch of a bunch of dicks.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, hold on.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna send it to you right now.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so there's one uh pr very pronounced dick that is on the case.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking forward to seeing it.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: All right, is it did it go through?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's sending.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, uh wait, so we'll we'll move on.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: So this was the the Renaissance.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: This was what kicked off the princess movement, right?
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, is it it was the first one?
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, the re it's the re yes, yes, because the best one before it was like Oliver and Company, yeah.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's but like there was you know the 50s, 60s, 70s, right?
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: Where you did like Cinderella, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think Sleeping Beauty was like mid to early 70s, and then they took like 15 years off, and they went hard with the like animals, five of Goodest.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: Which makes sense, dude.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I yeah, Five O'Goes West, absolute fucking banger.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_03: What's the I love the Oliver and Company?
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_03: I just no the best real TR jerker.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_03: If you really want to have an emotional afternoon, the fox and the hound.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can't, I don't, I mean, you know, I'm not an animal person.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: I went I brought Dylan to one of our friend's house the other day and the dog comes running out.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like super aware of the fact that I'm not good at in situations like that.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I gotta figure out how to like interact with the dog.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it just doesn't come natural to you, dude.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: I just like they run to me, and I just like my inclination is not to like pet it.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's supposed to be like, hi.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_03: See, I would say like do the opposite of your instinct with pets.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: I sometimes like pet it, and I'm like, this doesn't feel natural.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like they know that I'm faking it.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_03: You're gonna get you're gonna get bit by a dog soon.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: I well, I my cousin got bit by a dog when he was like a baby, like a toddler.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: He like fell next to my grandfather's dog who had never bit anyone in 17 years, and then he like just like open mouth right over his whole face, and he still has so I have a question.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_03: Did they immediately murder the dog?
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_03: Good.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, at this point, yeah, he was 17, so like part of the reason why he did it was because he was like sick and old.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: Did you get the penis yet?
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, let me look.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't say delivered.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_03: No, I I didn't.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'll let you know when I when I say delivered, oh, that should be it.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I was looking up the characters in it.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: Did you know that Prince Eric was voiced by the guy who played Greg in the Brady Bunch movie?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: Not the TV show, the movie.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Remember the movie?
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: Remember the Brady Bunch movie?
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_03: Which makes him significantly less attractive.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember that movie?
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: The Brady Bunch movie.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: That was Marsha Marsha Marsha.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_03: That was great.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's delivered.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: Your penis is here.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_03: My penis has arrived.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: There it is.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_03: That is one.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's literally like it's a perfect penis.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: If I've ever seen a perfect penis.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: It is like I know, I know.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: And especially the gold, they're selling that in an amazing superstore.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_03: And you know that's top dollar.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_03: The artists were doing that just to be like, can we get a wig?
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_03: Can we actually it's just must have been great.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's one thing to do it though, where you have it say sex when in the dust when the lion like falls.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's another to like put it on the VHS cover.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's old.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: There's lots of that stuff.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like there was one in Aladdin, too.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: You can see his nipple or something.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's someone's talking and it says like have sex with me or something.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: It like sounds like that or something.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe the people.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't they probably like why not?
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it was probably like 24-year-old dudes.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_03: That's right, yeah.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like who's working in animation, really?
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_03: You know, nerds who never really had sex.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Who probably like thought that this was like the funniest thing they could they've ever done.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I was thinking how like they always chose the prince as like product of the times.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Aladdin was Steve from Full House, Simba was Jonathan Taylor Thomas, yeah.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then John Smith was Mill Gibson.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yikes.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's hindsight.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know what?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: John Smith turned out to be a little problematic after the fact, also.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Pocahontas was 10.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, no, not great.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: My biggest takeaway from watching this movie, I didn't like go through the whole thing, but this was very much a like I felt one way as a youth and a complete different way as a parent.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, King Triton is like a babe.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he is.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, there's a guy named Zeus who's like this trendy social media guy, and he looks just like King Triton.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_03: But the only thing I would say, did you notice that King Triton and Ursula, there was some sexual tension, like something happened between them.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, in the in the play, so the Little Mermaid Jr.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: that my kids did is based on the Broadway play, which I think goes a little bit deeper.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: And in it, Triton talks about A, his wife dying, which they don't ever mention.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's a good one.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely hooked up with Ursula.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: And Ursula was the one that killed her.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_03: Oh shit.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: So Ursula convinces Ariel that she was like, oh no, it was an accident.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I loved your mother.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: And then at the end of the movie, it comes out that Ursula was in fact the one that killed her, which her dad had told her that in the beginning of the movie, but she wasn't gonna listen to that.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, you don't.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: So no, she needed those legs.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, there's some legs to that.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like maybe they, you know.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_03: The whole thing.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: So there's this book called Grendel.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_03: So you know the whole Beowulf thing and Grendel?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: Beowulf?
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_03: There's a monster.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Grendel.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that the thing in between your penis and your butthole?
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm saying gr I'm saying Grendel, and that's a Grundle.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: Or oh, it's so different.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:09
  unknown: Yeah.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, yeah, no, you're right.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, no pictures of Grundels.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, anything could be a Grundle.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_03: Anyways, the the whole idea is like it tells you this like classic tale by the by the point of view of the monster.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I would love to get one of those on Ursula.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like well, I mean, they've done it for they did Maleficent, yeah.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: Cruella.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, with Emma Stone.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: I never did either.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: That would be a good interesting one.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, no, absolutely, because Maleficent was very sympathetic after, even though she's considered to be the worst Disney villain because she tried to kill a baby.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: And that's not cool.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: No, I know for no reason.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: The baby didn't even do it.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Arcilla killed like so many mermaids and kept them as little creatures.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but you know, what are you gonna do?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: There was actually her red hair was controversial.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: Initially, she was blonde, Ariel, but they were concerned because Splash had just come out, and they were worried people would get her confused with Daryl Hannah.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like this is like Splash too.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're what you turn on the movie and your kid wanders in, and they're like, is this the little Merby?
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: I don't, I don't, I don't know.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_03: Wait, what wait, by the way, awesome movie.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: Awesome John Candy, awesome Todd Man's awesome UV level.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta add it to the list.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta add it to the list.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: But the the toy companies were horrified when they saw she was redhead because executives insisted that market research proved that redheaded dolls never sold well.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's sad.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, redheads don't do great.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think that's still that's still true?
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_03: I think redheads are hit or miss.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I'm gonna say.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, like what kind of red are we talking here?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like bright red?
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because fashion colors are very in.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_03: But like I think a strawberry blonde.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_03: I I think a and this is gonna be very controversial, but you know, I don't care.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: I I think a redheaded woman, I'm in, I'm ready for it.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_03: But a redheaded guy, I'm sorry, pal.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: No, some redheaded men are really hot.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: The guy in one, it's she in Game of Thrones that was going after Brienne of Tarth.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: Remember that?
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_03: No, he's not a redhead.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_03: He's not a redhead.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, he is.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_03: He's no way.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: The huge guy?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yes, he is a good-looking, huge redhead.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you've got to be huge.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that that's necessarily true.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think that there are definitely attractive redhead men.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: You just be really attractive.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, because like some don't have freckles.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: Most do?
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like an Auburn, you know.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: All right, yeah, all right.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: But I have freckles.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's so do I.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: No, I think you you can make it work.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a deal breaker for me.
• 16:42
  unknown: Okay.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you know what I'd be more concerned about?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: A blonde man.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_03: So oh, you're you have ever told you my feelings about a blonde man?
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we've talked about it like a hundred times.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: You can't trust a blonde man.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'll say that again.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it's funny because you and all your friends were all blonde growing up.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_03: But you'll notice all our hair changed.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_03: Mine fell out.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: After we bleached it.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_03: Bleached one too many times.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that was not why they were blonde, but there was a moment in time when we decided to bleach everyone's hair.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: I remember it started, I think John Eric started it, right?
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm pretty sure it was Pete, Pete, John Eric, and Skip.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: We did it all in one day.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_03: I had gone first.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, and then John Eric went.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then Mike Brick didn't have to do anything.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'll tell you what happened.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: Hair dye, and then saw this guy just looking at me like this guy is stunning.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: Let me let me know.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Also, like, let's give credit where credit is due.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: This was like peak Eminem.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was peak Eminem.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: It really was.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was like the summer of 2000.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think you're trying to be Eminem?
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Subconsciously.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so do you think that Triton's like overbearing parenting was partly a blame for her rebellious nature?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's part of the lesson for the the parents watching.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's all there's always going to be a snapbag if you're par if you're overbearing.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: There's always gonna be a sort of this in the in the other tellings, he was not telling her she couldn't go up to the thing.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I do think that there's something to be said for like, we'll talk more in depth about this later.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: But everyone talks about this movie and always says, you know, Ariel she gave her a voice for a man, but I don't know that that's necessarily true.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Because, like, from the moment you meet her, like, she doesn't feel like she classic Disney princess, she doesn't feel like she belongs, nobody understands her, she wants to go somewhere else, and she was collecting all that stuff.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh, that cavern that she's got there, that's uh who's in my watsets and thingamajigs.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's been working on that collection for years.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's incredible.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's like it's like goes up for stories and stories, right?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's like huge, yeah.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_03: I know it's it's huge.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: So, like she's wanted this her entire life.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: No one ever asked her to give up her voice or her legs.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's very all it's very all her choice, which I think is a great little part of the story.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_03: And to appreciate the sea, she has to like leave the sea.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's like this classic hero's journey, too.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, in with the whole, you know, Odysseus thing, having to leave and appreciate home by like having this huge adventure.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's all kind and and there's like the love element too, which is kind of nice.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's like a it's like also questionnaire because it's like who wouldn't do like crazy things for love when they're young?
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, really.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I also don't think that like I think she was looking, she was looking for an out.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, Prince Eric was the thing that like pushed her over the edge.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, damn, dude.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Look at that guy, look at those eyes.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: But I think she would have figured out one way or another to leave, yeah, regardless.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think so too.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: She probably got into drugs.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I wonder what kind of drugs they have under the sea.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: So seaweed, get it?
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they take little bites of like poisonous coral.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, they're doing shit.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they're like holding on like jellyfish, you know.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's their version of Whippets.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Now, what I want to talk about before we talk about the actual songs is Howard Ashman.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know who that is?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so part of what inspired me to finally do this episode was the video I sent it to you on Instagram.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: It was The Old Gaze.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Did you see it?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I did.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so it's this account, The Old Gaze, and it's four older gay men.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: They're probably in their like 70s, I would guess.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: And they do like dances and whatever, but one of them, the four of them were sitting there and they it was playing this really beautiful version of Part of Your World.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's from the live action Little Mermaid, and the caption was this hits different when you know it was written by a gay man in the 80s.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: I had never even like heard anything about that or like thought about that.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: And listening to the lyrics, I was like, holy shit, what would I give to live where you are?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_04: What would I pay to stay here beside you?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_04: What would I do to see you smiling at me?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_04: Where would we walk?
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_04: Where would we walk if we could stay all day in vessel?
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_04: Just you and me, and I could be part of your work.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Then in the comments, people were talking about how the original story was actually written about a man.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: And Hans Christian Anderson was actually, I don't know if he was gay, bi, whatever, but he was in love with the man and he wrote The Little Mermaid the day after he got married.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: And there's all these like well, I'm gonna talk about it in depth when we talk about it.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's actually really cool, actually.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: And when you then watch the movie with that mindset of like this original story and this song specifically, are about being an outsider, about like not being able to be with the person you love.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: And you think like somebody in the what was it like the 1840s or something was when he was doing this?
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but who can't relate to that?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_03: In a lot of ways, you know?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: Wait, so in Hans Christian and hands-Christian, it must have been a lot to like insist that people add the Christian, right?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: Instead of being hands-and just wait until you hear about him.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: Do I have some stories about this man?
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but first let's talk about Howard Ashman really quickly because I think that's mentioning.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: So Howard Ashman was born in 1950 in Baltimore, Maryland.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: He fell in love with theater from a young age and continued his studies through college and getting his masters in 1974.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Shortly after that, he met Alan Mankin, who you know was like the big time Disney guy.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: He does a lot of the composing.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: They created Little Shop of Horrors, the Broadway musical that's still going to this day.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: In 88, he found out that he was HIV positive.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: This was right when he started working at Disney.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: So imagine that-like being a gay man, HIV positive in the 80s, working at Disney.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: He was the lyricist for The Little Mermaid.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: He did Under the Sea, Part of Your World, and Kiss the Girl, and fought for them.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like he was the one who was like, No, these are songs we need to have in this movie.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: He was crucial to the character design of Ursula, who was based on the drag queen divine.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know who that is?
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: Google it.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because you will know who she is.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: So she's this drag queen that's like a little bit bald.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: She's got like these exaggerated eyebrows, like very, very exaggerated.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: But when you see a picture of her and you see Ursula, you're like, oh my god, it's the same thing.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: So this is a very gay movie.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds pretty gay.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a dick on the cover.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a dick on the cover, although I don't think he had anything to do with that.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Then he goes on to work on Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: So he did Friend Like Me, Prince Ali, Arabian Knights.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: So Aladdin got released on March 14th, 1991.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: Howard Ashman died of AIDS.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: He did not live to see the completion or release of Beauty and the Beast, which was instead dedicated to his memory.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: He says, This was a dedication to our friend Howard, who gave a mermaid her voice and a beast his soul.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: We will be forever grateful.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's great.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_03: And then Aladdin, he's like, trust me, no shirt, just a vest.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's gonna work.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I thought that was good though.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought I'm gonna post the video that I sent you because I think it's just when you see it and you see like their faces listening to it and thinking about like what it must have been like to be a gay man at that time and how like alone you probably felt.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, in the 80s, are you kidding?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because like not only it's like not only is it being gay at a time when it wasn't really accepted, like all of your friends are dying and you have no idea why.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like it's crazy to think about that.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: So now let's talk about Hans Christian Anderson.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Hans.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, why are you doing this to us?
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: Why can't it just be Hans?
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody could come back and be like, hey, it is Hans.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: It is Hans.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: But the one of the podcasts I listened to was very effusive about it being Hans.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna go with that.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: So as I said, he was plagued with a strong, unrequited love for a heterosexual man who never returned his affections, Edward Collin.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: Not to be confused with Edward Collin.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, he was not a teenage vampire, Edward Edvard, it's Edvard, not Edward.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: So with a V.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: He was upper class, wealthy, handsome, and he was not into him.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: But Anderson sent him all of these letters.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: This was a quote from one of the letters.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: I long for you.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, this moment, I long for you as if you were a lovely girl.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: No one I have wanted to thrash as much as you.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: Excuse me, hands.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: What exactly do you mean by that?
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: Imagine getting these letters and I think we know exactly what he meant by that.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_03: Just being like completely straight guy, just be like, Hans, you have to chill a little bit.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: Jeez.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, oh, take it easy, my god.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: My mom could read this.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: So he actually had like a really tough time.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: So like he was also in love with.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever seen The Greatest Showman?
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you shouldn't.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you hate a me, you hate a musical, but it's actually really good.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: So one of the women in it, Jenny Lind, was an opera singer who allegedly had an affair with what is it, PT P.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: T.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: Barnum?
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: Is that his place?
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: P.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: So he was deeply in love with her, proposed to her.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: She rejected him, said she viewed him as a brother.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: She like brother-zoned him.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: So he wrote The Nightingale about her, which is about a plain little bird with a heavenly voice that outshines a hollow, jewel-encrusted canical bird.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I think he's supposed to be the plain little bird.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then when he was young, he was very socially awkward.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: If you look up a picture of him, he's not the best looking.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: Not that anyone really looks great in those pictures from back then, but he left home.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: He was born poor.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: He left home at 14 to pursue the art.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: On like every stage, singing, acting, writing, he'd get a mentor, and then after like a short time, they'd be like, I don't think this is your forte, which is pretty, pretty funny.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: So the ugly duckling was written about basically he's the duckling, you know?
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: The duckling gets bitten, is pushed around, and all the domestic birds make fun of him all the time.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_03: But he somehow like understood though that he was there was something to him that was special, which is cool.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's funny, like some of the most successful people in history felt that way.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like George Washington was that way.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_03: He was an ugly duckling.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_03: And he kept thinking about it.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, and like how many people of these people were probably just like autistic?
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_03: I think the ones that are successful are the ones that see themselves as something special, but just understand that no one gets it yet.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think also like to be successful at this level, I was reading something where somebody was talking about Taylor Swift and how she's probably got a little bit of that in there because of and it's like you have to have an obsessive level of like work ethic and wanting to do whatever and like hyper focusing on doing these things.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of people that are like someone like like Hans, who was super talented, you also have to like lock in to an extreme degree.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's locked in.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not doing I can barely answer an email, you know what I mean?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_03: This is locked in.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, You just made me feel like a fucking nightingale.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_03: Let me write a little bit about it, you know.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, so let's talk about hands and Charles Dickens.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: You ready for this?
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, hilarious.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: So Hans Christian Anderson was a huge fanboy of Dickens, like he was like a pretty obsessive with him.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: They met at a party, and Dickens was really nice to him initially, and Hans just like took that to the nth degree.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like he just could not handle it.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: He started sending him letters.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: Dickens sent him back like a packet with a bunch of stuff, and he took that really to the next level.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: For nine years, he sent him letters.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: Hans was a lot, yeah.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: He was a lot.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: Dickens was like kind of a dick, I guess.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: And after a while, he would he will yeah, after a while, but he was also like really mean to him in his letters sometimes.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like he would say things that like kind of like cut him down, but seemed nice.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: So at one point he makes this like offhand comment, like, Oh, you can come visit if you're ever in town, you can stay with me, or something like that.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: And Hans is like, don't have to tell me twice.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: Be there in five.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: And this is what I meant when I said he's like maybe got a little bit of some, you know, neurodivergence or something.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: Because he shows up with like no idea how to act or read social cues.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: He asks Dickens' son to shave him daily, and he's like, Oh, that's how people do it.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: And Dickens is like, No, the fuck, you're not gonna let my my son is not shaving you.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: So he makes an appointment at a barber shop.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: Dickens was starring in this play, and Hans came and was so upset that the attention wasn't on him that he was started like sobbing during the play, and then like one of his stories got a bad review, and he threw himself on their front lawn and was just sobbing the entire time on their front lawn.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: One time they were going down to dinner, and Dickens held out his arm so like his wife or his daughter or someone could escort her in.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: And Hans came over and like got in there, put his arm through Dickens, and so Dickens when they like walked in.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: Dickens was like escorting him to dinner, which doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but you can imagine that Dickens is like, Oh my god.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think I don't think this fucking guy.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: So he was supposed to stay for two weeks.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: He ended up staying for five, and Dickens wrote a note and put it on the mirror in the room he sit in and was like, Hans Christian Andersen stayed here for five weeks.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: To us, it felt like an eternity or something like that.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_03: That's so awesome.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's like fuck that guy.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that was their sorted friendship, but wow.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's actually really cool to like hear about.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: I know, right?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and you can imagine like you would never think of him being that way, but it's like, yeah, that kind of makes that makes perfect sense.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and poor poor Dickens in a lot of ways, ways, you know what I mean?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: He's trying to just like no idea how to act, like he's just socially awkward, he thinks it's fine.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: He was couch surfing or something, he was doing like this where he was going and saying at people's houses.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't read that much into it, but in his lifetime, did he ever like know success as as we know him now?
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like, does did he know like yes, because like the reason why he was sobbing on the front lawn is because one of his plays got like bad reviews, so like he was kind of elevated at that point.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right, but he never knew love, which is really sad.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but he was in love with a lot of women, so it wasn't like solely that he was gay, yeah.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: He was just a mess.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: And if you think about that time, like how limited your options would have been, you know, it's not like you had a neighbor that you could like throw a rock, it's not like you were going to s well, I guess he did go to well, no, did he go to school?
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he he could there's no apps.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I feel like if you're famous, you've got some opportunity, right?
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about the his version of the story.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: You said you listened to it.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: I read through it and I did like the cliffs notes of it.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, it's very similar, but we'll just point out some of the differences, I guess.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: The little mermaid, she doesn't have a name in this one.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: Her father doesn't have a name, she's just referred to as the Little Mermaid in the entire thing.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: She lives in an underwater kingdom with her father, the sea king, her paternal grandmother, and her five older sisters, which I thought they really like miss out on like a nice grandmother willow situation in the movie.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but the grandmother was better.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_03: The grandmother was sort of supportive and cool, right?
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, why wasn't she in the Disney movie?
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's what I mean.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: So like it well, because the supportive grandmother would have kind of it would have had a She had a supportive crab instead.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, which which you know, which made every song reggae, which I thought was cool, like him being like sort of Jamaican.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_03: I know, I know.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, anyways.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, no, I I I think like they couldn't have the they had to get rid of the grandmother in the the Disney ones so that she would just be more likely to just she was alone, more alone.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: The interesting thing, the sisters each have a garden, and the sisters are the ones who collect all the stuff in the ships, and Ariel Ariel, the little mermaid only has the statue of I think it's a statue of the prince, right?
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: She says it looks just like the statue, but it could just be a statue, right?
• 33:33
  unknown: Yeah.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: When they turn 15, they're allowed to go up to the surface, which is another thing that's different.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: In the fairy tale theater episode, he was like supportive of her going up to the surface.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's what you do.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: You go up, you see it, but you just can't like make a big deal about it.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: So one by one, her sisters all go up, they come down, they tell her about it.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: They each do different things.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: One loves the sunset, one's really bold and wants to go into the city, but she can't.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: One like scares a bunch of kids once it's on an iceberg.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: So one of the things they were talking about is when they'd see a boat, they'd go up to the surface and sing, and the sailors would think it was a storm that was coming.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: And when they thought a storm was coming, they would jump ship and swim to the beach.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: And the sisters would like do that so they would die and they would get to keep them.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: Whoa.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: So then they were like, Oh, yeah, the only time you're gonna see dead men is when they reach the bottom of the ocean.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh, okay.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, cool.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then we're gonna be so that's kind of sirens, yeah, right?
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's definitely sirens, right?
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's just having a moment.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're just singing.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um little mermaid finally gets to go.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: There's a storm, she sees Eric, and this is the difference where like she Eric never sees her, he doesn't see her.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: But it's not Eric, right?
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's not Eric.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm probably just gonna call him Ariel.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: But like for the record, he's just the prince, they don't have names.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: So she rescues him, puts him on the beach, and then she hears women coming, and this is the Helen Mirrin character, and so she leaves.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: So he doesn't see her and doesn't like know who she is.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: He's not like constantly searching for her, and she becomes obsessed with him, and then there's this whole montage of her, like she finds out where he lives, she goes and like sits under his window.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: She's like very much a stalker.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: So then she asks her grandmother if humans can live forever.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: Her grandmother explains mermaids live around 300 years, but then they turn into foam and cease to exist.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas humans have a much shorter lifespan, but their eternal soul goes on to live in heaven.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: And this just like sparks in her that she wants to be a human because she wants to have an eternal life.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: Her grandmother explains to her the only way that you could it could ever happen for a mermaid is if you get tied to a human soul, they would have to love you so much, and his every heart thought of you, and his whole heart cleaved to you.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: Then he would let a priest join his right hand to yours, and you promise to be faithful here and there throughout eternity.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of took this as him thinking that, like, because he can't find love, like hands, because he can't find love, that he is not going to have an immortal soul.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's like a tragedy.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's kind of like like he's really like this love sick dude, which is kind of like well, imagine never knowing love.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: Even like he has a sister that he never talks to, he only sees her a handful of times in his life.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: His family wasn't, you know, like he left home really young.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, there's not even like the supported family.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's sad.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: This also is there's a lot of religious implications here, and I think like he's I believe he's Christian.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, so I think that there's a lot of that.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: So this is when she goes, she decides she's gonna make it happen with the prince.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: She goes to the sea witch, who the sea witch, for what it's worth, she's kind of not really a villain here.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: When she comes to her, she's like, This isn't worth it.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like in the fairy tale theater, she's like, Girl, no, don't do this.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: You don't, there's no man that's worth it.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then in this one, cut the tongue out, right?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: She cuts her tongue out, but she agrees to this.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you made this deal.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: This is not the sea witch coming to you and convincing you of anything.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: In most other Disney movies, they're coming, they're convincing, this is an apple, this is whatever.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: This is gonna make your life better.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: This is not, you know.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_03: There's like some deceit in it.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's no deceit here.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, she comes to you, she wants something.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: You explain the rules to her.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: The rules are that once she becomes a human, she'll never be able to return to the sea.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: Consuming the potion will make her feel as if a sword is being passed through her body.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: When she recovers, she will have human legs and will will be able to dance as no human has ever danced before.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: However, the pain of losing her tail will never leave her, and she'll constantly feel as though she's walking on sharp knives to the point where her feet will bleed.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: This is a metaphor for chronic pain.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: This is also maybe part of like the metaphor here too for Hans is like, I can't be myself or I'll never know love.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like it has to take like you know what I mean.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_03: So, like the way he is, the way he talks, or whatever the things he says, is like getting in the way of him finding love.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_03: So he has to like lose that.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_03: That's kind of interesting.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe just be quiet.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe just like chill out a little bit.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: She bet he couldn't like get on some type of mood stabilizers, you know.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that would help out a lot.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: So she agrees, she goes and drinks the potion.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she's found by the prince who's mesmerized by her beauty and grace, and discovers she is mute.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: But most of all, he likes to see her dance, and she dances for him despite suffering excruciating pains with every step.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a dancer, sexy.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: She becomes his favorite companion, accompanies him on many of his outings.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: He confides in her deepest thoughts and feelings, but he does not fall in love with her.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: So there's the difference.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I think this is where, you know, his experience with Edward, who, as far as we can tell, was a straight man.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't like they were, you know, doing hanky panky in their youth.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_03: You know, but like he so he does fall in love with somebody, and she is okay with that.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: She has to be okay.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, his parents encourage him to marry a neighboring princess in an arranged marriage.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: He tells the mermaid he doesn't want to because he doesn't love the princess.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: He goes on to say he can only love the young woman from the temple, who he believes rescued him.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: So that's the girl that came out and rescued him.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's not Ariel, though.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: He believes this woman who found him rescued him.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody finds the woman, he declares his love for her, and then he agrees to marry the temple girl, the one that he really loves.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: She is heartbroken.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: Her sisters appear and give her a dagger that the sea witch has given them in exchange for their beautiful hair.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: If she murders the prince and lets his blood drip on her feet, she will become a mermaid once more.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: Her suffering will end and she will live out her full life in the ocean with her family.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: So he's lying there sleeping with the princess.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: She can't do it.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: She throws a dagger in herself off the ship into the water just as the dawn breaks.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: Her body dissolves into foam, but instead of ceasing to exist, she turns into a luminous and ethereal earthbound spirit, a daughter of the air.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because of her sacrifice, she is given a chance to do good deeds for all of her life.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: She will receive her soul and rise to heaven when her life ends.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: But it's not really a sacrifice.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_03: She's just not killing him.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because I don't know.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I get it.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what kind of life are you living if she does kill him?
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: Are you gonna be happy?
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's it's so it's like there's no real choice there, but afford to be good, anyways.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_03: But like the sisters, I thought I took that as almost like when you are like impulsive and you make decisions based on like emotion and what you want, and like almost like addiction, it affects your whole family.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_03: So the sisters really gave up a lot for her, too.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like her hair, and you know what?
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_03: I know how hard that is.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: No, and you know what?
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: The thing that's interesting is like, is this the more helpful one?
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because in the Disney version, she has to give up her family, her home, and this is for a man that she's never even really spoken to.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_03: I think that the Hans, the hands one is better stuff is a better story.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: I know it's sadder because you don't want to think about that, but like it's realer.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: She turns into an air spirit, but yeah, yeah.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: But I think it's more realistic that like you're doing something good, so you get something.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it doesn't like it doesn't always go the way you want it to go.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_03: In fact, maybe a lot of times it doesn't, right?
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: At the end of the day, she's still got the eternal spirit, was which was what she really wanted.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: Boom.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: So what do you think overall?
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_03: How do you feel how do you feel about I think that this is great.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_03: I I do.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_03: And I I think that you know, the the thing that makes the I don't know, because it this the the original's great and the Disney one's great, but I think it's the soundtrack and like the levity of it.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_03: It it's kind of like the Little Mermaid was kind of perfect.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_03: It was kind of great.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_03: It was kind of the only thing I think it's one of the best ones.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's one of the best ones.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_03: Only and then because of I know it was like my sister's favorite, but that's like like a female perspective.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I think there is a the the girls like the Little Mermaid a little bit more than the boys, I think.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_03: Because my favorite was always Aladdin.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: I think Aladdin's a banger.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: And that might be more of a Tucker's favorite too.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's like a boy one, more boy.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: Aladdin and The Lion King.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_03: See, The Lion King never really, I never really loved, and I know that I'm on an island because everyone loves the Lion King, but like I don't know that we needed like multiple live action movies about it.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think we need any more live action movies.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, there's something else I wanted to say really quick before we leave.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I watched the live action one, all right.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: And the did you have you seen the live action one?
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_03: I mean not for any like you know.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's the mermaids are super creepy in it.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it reminded me of so in May of 2012.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, I I watched what I believed was a documentary.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, did that happen to you too?
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: For a brief 24 to 36 hours afterwards, I thought that mermaids were real and I thought it was important to go out with Liz.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: Liz.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_03: This it's so funny.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_03: I can't my sister and I were at my grandmother's house.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_03: We came home and we we turned on TV and and this documentary had already begun.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_03: And then we're seeing footage of like this strange looking mermaid being like caught in a fishing net and this and that, and we were like, Fucking mermaids are real.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_03: We're dealing with this now.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: It was on Animal Planet.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what are you supposed to it had me?
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, it was like Blair Witch all over again.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, fucking witches are real, fucking mermaids are real.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_03: We were like, we were like literally rethinking our entire lives.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like, and then like we it wasn't until the next day that I found out it was a mockumentary.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_03: I know it was like I went to bed that night in a missing, yeah.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: Just mind like, are you fucking kidding me?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I was watching, no, I'm watching the live action one, and I'm like, I've seen these kind of mermaids before.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was like, the mermaid hoax.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: Holy crap, was that like a big thing?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_03: Because that's the big thing.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_03: I I kept it kind of like close to the vest because I didn't want pictures like going to work being like, anybody else believe in mermaids?
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, I did the opposite, and I posted on Facebook, my name is Liz Dufault, and I fell for the mermaid hoax.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: And there were like dozens of comments and people being like, Oh my god, me too.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_02: And then every year when it pops up, I'm always like, Oh my god.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: I would love to see it again.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: I it was so well done.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: I know, it looked so real.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: They had all those actors like playing the fisherman and shit.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, it was very Blair Witch-esque, wasn't it?
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_03: They should do something, they should do that again.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_03: That was crazy.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_03: That was awesome.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: I saw it and I said, I gotta remember.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: I almost forgot to bring it up too, and I was like, got to the end.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, I gotta make sure.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, you have to, uh yeah.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_03: My sister and I, we were buffed, it was silent in my living room.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_03: We were like, wait, I was like, I was in the navy, and I didn't I didn't see that.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_03: I did I see something?
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_03: It was at one time, you know what I mean?
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like crazy, but oh god, all right.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: On that note, I think we're good.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think we're good.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: All right, I'm glad we did this.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: No, this is great.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: All right, we will see you next week.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: All right, okay.