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This Is Chronic Illness with Faith Ashenden · The Trauma Therapist

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Therapist Podcast. My name is Guy McPherson.
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  Speaker 1: I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to helping
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  Speaker 1: those who've been impacted by trauma. A big thank you
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  Speaker 1: and one. Our folks, welcome back to the podcast. Super
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  Speaker 1: excited to have as my guest today, Faith Ashington. Faith, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome. Faith Ashington, Faith is a therapist, speaker, and
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  Speaker 1: educator whose work focuses on trauma recovery, emotional healing, and
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  Speaker 1: personal transformation. Drawn from both professional experience and her own
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  Speaker 1: healing journey, she helps individuals better understand the impact of trauma,
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  Speaker 1: attachment wounds, and nervous system dysregulation on their lives and relationships.
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  Speaker 1: Her approach integrates trauma-informed therapy, mindfulness, somatic awareness, and compassionate
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  Speaker 1: self-inquiry to support deeper healing and resilience. Through her writing, teaching,
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  Speaker 1: and clinical work, she encourages people to reconnect with themselves
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  Speaker 1: with greater authenticity, self-compassion, and hope. All right, Faith, just
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about you. Share with our listeners where
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  Speaker 1: you're from originally and where you are currently.
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  Speaker 3: I'm from Texas, and I'm living in London. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: my business sort of spans across Texas. both parts of
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  Speaker 3: the world, but mainly the US is currently like where
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  Speaker 3: I serve for the most part. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: All right. All right. So let's dive in here. How
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  Speaker 1: did all this start for you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Go back, go back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was more or less thrust into the
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  Speaker 3: work that I do now, kind of one of those stories.
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  Speaker 3: I got into this specific niche of specifically really supporting
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  Speaker 3: people with chronic illness and chronic symptoms, um, through the
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  Speaker 3: mind body work. And it was because I was sick.
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  Speaker 3: I was sick for over a decade. Um, it, it
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  Speaker 3: started when I was in university at UT Austin. Um,
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  Speaker 3: and I ended up having to leave my job and
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  Speaker 3: I was bedridden and And because I wasn't able to
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  Speaker 3: find solutions in the allopathic medicine model and really find
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  Speaker 3: anything that was needle-moving enough in the functional medicine model,
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  Speaker 3: I moved into, okay, what do we know about the
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  Speaker 3: implications of trauma prior to chronic conditions and the trauma
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  Speaker 3: of chronic conditions, which there's not enough research on or
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  Speaker 3: support with. Um, and using that, I was able to
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  Speaker 3: reverse everything in nine months. And so I started that
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  Speaker 3: healing feeling, which is my business to teach this.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Wait, hang on, hang on, hang on, wait, slow down.
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  Speaker 1: What you were at UT Austin.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Everything was fine. Quote unquote.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was, I was having symptoms starting my sophomore year.
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  Speaker 3: And it wasn't until my junior year, so it took
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  Speaker 3: about a year to get my first diagnosis of Graves' disease,
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  Speaker 3: which is an autoimmune disease that affects the thyroid. So
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  Speaker 3: that's when things.
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  Speaker 2: Took a turn.
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  Speaker 1: And what were your symptoms?
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  Speaker 3: I had pretty severe anxiety, weight loss.
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  Speaker 2: I had rapid heart rate, extreme hunger, but losing weight.
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  Speaker 3: Which is kind of a textbook poster board of Graves' disease.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I was, I couldn't sleep at night. I was
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  Speaker 2: really nauseous. It sucked.
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  Speaker 3: Like by far Graves disease is like the worst of
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  Speaker 3: all the things that I've dealt with. And, um, they
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  Speaker 3: just dismissed it and they said, you know, you're, you're
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  Speaker 3: overloading on classes at the time, believe it or not,
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  Speaker 3: I was prepping for the LSAT ironically. Um, and I
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  Speaker 3: was just, you know, going a hundred miles an hour.
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  Speaker 3: And so they said, I think that, you know, you've
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  Speaker 3: just overdone it. And so it wasn't until, um, I
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  Speaker 3: kind of was hitting a breaking point that they actually
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  Speaker 3: did some tests and said, Oh God, yeah, you actually
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  Speaker 3: are pretty sick. Um, I did have to take a
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  Speaker 3: year off school. Um, but then I went back. Um,
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  Speaker 3: so I was just too sick to go, but I
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  Speaker 3: medicated my way through to graduate and then, um, joined
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  Speaker 3: corporate America medicated and sick.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So how long were you doing that? Corporate America
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  Speaker 1: and Medicated and Sick. That sounds like a book right there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucked.
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  Speaker 3: So I was doing that for four years, three and
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  Speaker 3: a half years.
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  Speaker 1: So were you diagnosed at that time with Graves' disease?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you knew what was going on.
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  Speaker 2: I knew what was going on. I was taking so
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  Speaker 2: many medications.
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  Speaker 3: I have a picture that I share of like 12
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  Speaker 3: pills in front of me. I'm so young and I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking at all these pharmaceuticals of like what was thrust
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  Speaker 3: at me. to get through the day. Cause ultimately I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to move through my life and like hit milestones
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  Speaker 3: and live, but I couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: So it was these.
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  Speaker 3: Medications that was allowing me to kind of get up
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  Speaker 3: out of bed and, and do life. Right. Um, until
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't, until they stopped working in 2018. And then, um,
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  Speaker 3: I had to leave work and became completely bedridden.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And forgive me for going back. How long were you,
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  Speaker 1: doing that? Like until it couldn't, was that a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years?
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  Speaker 3: 2018 was when I became bedridden and I graduated in 2014.
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  Speaker 2: So like there was almost four years.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Okay. So what happens? You're bedridden. How do things unfold?
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  Speaker 3: So I start going from expert to expert within allopathic medicine,
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  Speaker 3: which is the traditional Western medicine model for anyone listening. And, um,
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  Speaker 3: you know, as you do, especially in the U S
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  Speaker 3: you see different specialists and they refer you on, um,
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  Speaker 3: I say in the US because obviously in Europe now,
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  Speaker 3: like the system is very different. But, you know, they
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  Speaker 3: all ran all their fancy tests and they said, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you have, you know, I had issues with my heart rate, tachycardia,
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  Speaker 3: kind of people get diagnosis of POTS. Essentially, like if
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  Speaker 3: you stand up, you get really dizzy and pass out.
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  Speaker 3: So this had developed. I had developed a diagnosis of IBS.
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  Speaker 3: So they said chronic fatigue. So they said, because they
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  Speaker 3: didn't really know what was going on. I was wearing
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  Speaker 3: like a heart... monitor on. Um, and then I had
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  Speaker 3: unexplained symptoms. I had chronic UTIs that left me in
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  Speaker 3: the hospital. Um, and I was hospitalized for a week.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't know why I developed chronic acne, like big cysts,
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  Speaker 3: really painful. They didn't know why it was like one
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  Speaker 3: thing after the other. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm like, were you married at the time?
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  Speaker 1: Were you with your family or what?
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  Speaker 3: So at that time I was actually my fiancee, had,
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  Speaker 3: and I had just purchased a house.
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  Speaker 2: And we were going to plan a wedding, which we
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  Speaker 2: did in the end.
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  Speaker 3: But, um, I got sick basically right after we purchased
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  Speaker 3: the house, like got this sick basically.
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  Speaker 2: So we had just gotten it. We were going to renovate.
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  Speaker 3: It was a really exciting time and it just started
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  Speaker 3: to decline. Um, and yeah, so it's from that perspective
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  Speaker 3: was emotionally very difficult.
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  Speaker 2: Cause I thought, Oh my God, you've just proposed to me.
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  Speaker 2: And I I can't work. I'm really sick.
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  Speaker 3: Like this probably doesn't look like a very good prospect
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  Speaker 3: for you. Um, which of course he was like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: completely supportive, but, um, yeah, it sucked on that level
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  Speaker 3: as well.
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  Speaker 1: Now you strike, correct me if I'm wrong here, but
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  Speaker 1: you strike me as a very determined go getter type a,
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  Speaker 1: like I got to figure this out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Which is a blessing and a curse as I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure you know. Um, so I didn't want, you know, I,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't, I worked hard at everything. My, my life,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't want to accept, you know, and it was,
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  Speaker 3: it was a point where my endocrinologist said to me,
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  Speaker 3: I think you just need to accept that this is
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  Speaker 3: what your life is like now, like chronic means for life.
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  Speaker 3: And this is chronic illness.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't like that. I, you know, you,
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  Speaker 3: you look at your doctors as, an expert to help
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  Speaker 3: you solve a problem and traditional model where you have
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  Speaker 3: an acute illness and emergency, they do. So it was
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  Speaker 3: really shocking to have someone say, there's actually, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we don't have a solution for you.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's like, if they don't know, I guess
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to.
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  Speaker 3: Have to figure it out. Cause you know, I can't
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  Speaker 3: accept this. Um, which is when I turned to functional medicine.
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  Speaker 1: Um, and when you say you turned to functional medicine,
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  Speaker 1: what does that mean? You're like, F this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Something else has got to work. I'm imagining you were
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  Speaker 1: looking up all this research, trying to do what people do.
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  Speaker 1: This is so crazy, Faith. I mean, one, we, people
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  Speaker 1: who aren't experiencing this type of chronic, we hear stories
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  Speaker 1: about people with chronic illness who are like in this
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  Speaker 1: netherworld of doctors not knowing what the hell is going on.
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  Speaker 1: So what did you do? What did you do?
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  Speaker 3: So I started with podcasts and I remember I was
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  Speaker 3: driving from Austin to Dallas with my fiance and I
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  Speaker 3: listened to a podcast that talked about someone healing through
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  Speaker 3: like diet and lifestyle changes. Now I, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: grew up with a South American family. I always ate healthy.
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  Speaker 3: I was always very active. So it wasn't foreign to
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  Speaker 3: me that the way you live your life affects your health,
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  Speaker 3: but not to this degree, right? Not to the kind
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  Speaker 3: of concept in the functional for those who aren't aware
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  Speaker 3: is essentially root cause medicine.
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  Speaker 2: And the idea is that every symptom has a cause.
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  Speaker 3: And so instead of saying new chronic illness, it's what
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  Speaker 3: caused this set of symptoms, this cascade effect. And if
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  Speaker 3: we get to that, we can essentially help you reverse it.
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  Speaker 3: And so I thought this was Nirvana. I started listening
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  Speaker 3: to podcasts. I researched about functional medicine doctors in the
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  Speaker 3: U S I'm booked appointment after appointment. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: spent all my life savings on it.
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  Speaker 2: And, um, yeah. And I was like, I, this is it.
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  Speaker 2: I started an Instagram. I started sharing about what I
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  Speaker 2: was doing.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, um, watched me heal with root cause medicine,
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  Speaker 3: like what they're not telling you, you know, and bought
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  Speaker 3: an infrared sauna, did all the parasite cleanses. I cut
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  Speaker 3: out gluten and dairy. I had a crazy supplement schedule.
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  Speaker 3: Like I was determined this was going to be the thing.
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  Speaker 3: And to be honest, it was helpful. It definitely helped
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  Speaker 3: like by 35%. You know, I could do yoga and
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  Speaker 3: light yoga at home, but that would still put me
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  Speaker 3: out for the day. So it was like, but at
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  Speaker 3: least I could get out of bed. I could eat
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  Speaker 3: a meal without bloating, but it was still, you know,
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  Speaker 3: no dairy, no gluten, no FOD, low fat FODMAP. It
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  Speaker 3: wasn't really like a good meal, but it was a meal,
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  Speaker 3: you know? So there were things that improved, but I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't free. Like I wasn't living the life I wanted.
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  Speaker 1: So that was kind of my, are you working at
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  Speaker 1: this time?
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't work.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. You're living with your fiance at the time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So luckily like he was supporting me.
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  Speaker 3: Like it was such a like universe thing because obviously
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  Speaker 3: in the U S like I needed health insurance, even
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  Speaker 3: though functional medicine isn't really covered. So like, as soon
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  Speaker 3: as I got sick and we got engaged, she was
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  Speaker 3: able to put me on his insurance. There's no like disability. Um,
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  Speaker 3: in my case, there weren't something like Graves disease or
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  Speaker 3: IBS didn't qualify for for disability, which is another issue
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  Speaker 3: that people face. And so it's like, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: can take medicine for that. So you don't get disability pay. Um,
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  Speaker 3: so I was, could have been screwed, um, if I
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  Speaker 3: was on my own. And so I was lucky that
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So things are starting, this is starting to help.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What happens?
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  Speaker 3: Um, I hit a, what's the word? I stagnate, I suppose. Um,
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  Speaker 3: I hit a threshold for how much it can help me.
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  Speaker 3: And I had a.
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  Speaker 1: You plateaued.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I plateaued. There you go. God, it's almost 4 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 3: So I plateaued and I had a realization and I
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  Speaker 3: was thinking about my just everything, always thinking like, what
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  Speaker 3: do I do that? Functional medicine still wasn't offering the
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  Speaker 3: narrative that healing is totally possible. Perhaps it was more
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  Speaker 3: a management thing and a better quality of life. And
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  Speaker 3: I questioned, is anyone talking about total healing? Not remission,
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  Speaker 3: not just, you know, like having a better quality of life,
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  Speaker 3: but like returning to the identity of healed. And that's
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  Speaker 3: where I did a deep dive into the updates in
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  Speaker 3: pain science as it relates to neuroplasticity and the updated
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  Speaker 3: neuroscience that even since when I was taking my neuroscience
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  Speaker 3: classes is totally different, even just a few years. And
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  Speaker 3: I started deep diving into the science and really learned
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  Speaker 3: that most chronic symptoms are neuroplastic. And this is where
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  Speaker 3: I totally changed my life.
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  Speaker 1: Meaning, explain what that means within that context.
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  Speaker 3: Sure. So for those who don't know, neuroplasticity is the
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  Speaker 3: brain's ability to change. So basically, we used to think
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  Speaker 3: that only when you're a very young child can you
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  Speaker 3: really change your brain in a significant way. Whereas now
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  Speaker 3: we know you can change your brain at any time.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not just changing the way that you think. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: that is essentially a part of what we control, but
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  Speaker 3: it's also changing the way you experience.
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  Speaker 2: Your physical body.
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  Speaker 3: So the way you're perceiving your body, the way you're
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  Speaker 3: attaching meaning to symptoms. So in the cases of chronic illness,
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  Speaker 3: essentially the brain has made a habit of your symptoms.
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  Speaker 2: The brain makes a habit of everything.
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  Speaker 3: And so your brain is firing and wiring symptoms as
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  Speaker 3: responses all the time on autopilot.
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  Speaker 2: And the implications of that are huge.
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  Speaker 3: Because if you know that your symptoms are a habit
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  Speaker 3: in your brain, you can change that habit and not
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  Speaker 3: experience your physical symptoms anymore.
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  Speaker 2: And this is huge.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on. That's very powerful.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 1: So what you're saying is our symptoms, we go along,
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  Speaker 1: we're living our lives, we're having symptoms, and many of
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  Speaker 1: us are like, That's just the way I am. That's
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  Speaker 1: just me. But you're saying we can change those.
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  Speaker 2: 100%.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Just as a sidebar here, if you will, how
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  Speaker 1: are you mentally dealing with all this as this is happening?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there must have been times you were like,
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  Speaker 1: holy shit, I can't do this. My life is... How
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  Speaker 1: do you do it? You know, I.
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  Speaker 3: I have to say, I'm a unique person, like you said.
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  Speaker 3: When I was about five years old, my mom said,
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  Speaker 3: you are so difficult. I think you're going to be
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  Speaker 3: a high-powered attorney one day and change the world. She's like,
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  Speaker 3: when you set your mind to something, there is no
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  Speaker 3: one on God's green earth that can stop you.
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  Speaker 2: And I say this to my students.
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  Speaker 3: You have to be delusionally obsessed with the reality you
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  Speaker 3: want to create to do something like this. Because it's
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  Speaker 3: going to knock you down, right? Reality is going to
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  Speaker 3: knock you down. The reality of what you're physically experiencing
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  Speaker 3: is It's going to knock you down mentally. You have
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  Speaker 3: to trust that what you're doing comes before you experience it.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the heavy lifting. And so for me, I'm
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  Speaker 3: just kind of lucky that that's my personality. And as
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  Speaker 3: I was dealing with it every day, every day, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I know I'm going to overcome this because
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  Speaker 3: I've seen other people do it too.
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  Speaker 2: Not a lot, but.
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  Speaker 3: There have been people who've used this understanding to overcome. Therefore,
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  Speaker 3: there's evidence that it's possible. If it's possible, I can
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  Speaker 3: do it.
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  Speaker 1: And this understanding is what? The importance of neuroplasticity and
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  Speaker 1: its role in healing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And that you can overcome chronic symptoms in 99% of
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  Speaker 3: cases by changing the way your brain is responding to
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  Speaker 3: stimuli in your environment.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So you started doing all this research in neuroplasticity.
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  Speaker 1: So what What did this look like in terms of action?
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  Speaker 1: What did you start doing or not doing or believing
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  Speaker 1: or thinking?
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  Speaker 3: So it started with me accepting that this was possible.
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  Speaker 3: Getting behind, right, the idea like, oh, this can actually work.
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  Speaker 3: So then I decided to play with it. I said,
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  Speaker 3: let's start with something that's a low-hanging fruit, gluten and dairy, right?
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  Speaker 3: Because it's a very, you know, in terms of chronic symptoms,
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  Speaker 3: you know the trigger, you know the response.
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  Speaker 2: The trigger is gluten, dairy, response, bloating, etc.
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  Speaker 3: something that I had been, that I couldn't eat for
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  Speaker 3: however many years, or I would be extremely sick and
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  Speaker 3: it was consistent. And I started using some different brain
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  Speaker 3: training techniques to essentially convince myself that these weren't actually
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  Speaker 3: dangerous foods for me, that I wasn't actually intolerant to
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  Speaker 3: them and to distract myself, whatever. Within less than a week,
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  Speaker 3: I was eating gluten and dairy and not bloating. And
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  Speaker 3: then for me, the rest was history.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my God. Because I don't have
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  Speaker 2: an allergy, right? I have an intolerance. It wasn't my
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  Speaker 2: whole life.
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  Speaker 3: This was something I developed, which is very different than
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  Speaker 3: something you're born with.
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  Speaker 2: So I always clarify.
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying in some cases, people who might be
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: allergic to gluten would in fact eat gluten and have
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: a response. Yes.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: So when we're talking about chronic conditions, I always say,
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: you know, it's not, for example, if you're born with
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: cystic fibrosis, this is something that you were born with.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: This is not something you've developed and then has changed
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: your brain, right? So really, but, you know, unfortunately, so
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: many of these chronic conditions are things that people have developed,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: but I'm always very honest. And yeah, allergies are also
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: very different. Like, again, something you're born with. But intolerance
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: is something you develop. very, very different because you know,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: your brain has changed to develop that. And you also
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: know it's possible that you don't have to have the
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: intolerance because you didn't. Um, so that is a very
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: different situation.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: So things start to change for you. Gluten was the
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: low hanging fruit. What next?
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Um, what next?
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Gosh. So I started to push myself a little bit
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: with energy.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Um, So I wouldn't let the dips take me out.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: I started to try to stimulate my own cortisol, get myself,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: for those who don't know, we have the natural rise
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: and fall of cortisol, which in the morning it rises
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: to give you energy, at night it lowers so that
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: you can get tired and go to sleep and you
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: see melatonin rise. So when I was tired, I would
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: try to stimulate my own cortisol, just get myself up
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: and active.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: And I would say, this is gonna give me energy.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: And all of a sudden I was feeling better I
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: was training my body not to dip, but instead to
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: stimulate sort of activity and energy. What else did I do?
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I started incorporating more foods that I couldn't eat. Those
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: weren't the only ones. I started bringing back other products
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: into my life that I was so scared of that
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: I couldn't use, whether it be like facial products or
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: products in the home. I had instigated so much fear
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: around everything that it was keeping me hypervigilant. And I
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: was trying to desensitize myself to all this fear I
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: had developed because of chronic illness. Um, the acne went away.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: The UTIs went away. Nobody understood how or why to
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: this day, all the urologists don't have an explanation. I don't,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: you know, and things just started to, to gradually subside
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: as I started to live as if, as if I
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: was healed, as if I was on the right trajectory
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: and my body started to feel safe.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: So, okay. So this sounds kind of miraculous.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, okay. What, but what I'm hearing faith is
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: your mindset completely shifted.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: What, what, Of the symptoms, was this merely will?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: No.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Mind over matter. It wasn't.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Well, a degree of it was that discipline and drive,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: but it's so much more than that. I think for
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: those of us who've had chronic illness and had the
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: trauma of the chronic illness, waking up every day with
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: no hope of feeling good in and of itself is
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: a huge trauma. I think we underestimate how much our
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: identity and our beliefs are wrapped up in that experience.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: And so for me, it was more deconstructing my identity
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: and my entire belief system around almost everything as it related.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: To chronic illness.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I had an identity of, I am chronically ill. How
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: does that impact the way I'm interacting with the world?
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: And I think it's this radical acceptance of it impacts
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: everything you do. And are you not going for decisions
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: and opportunities and whatever, because you're bound in a limiting identity.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: And so even working just on that level of what
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: about I'm healing, not I am healed, but something I
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: can get behind, right? How am I now going to
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: interact with the world? What opportunities are, am I going
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: to give myself if I act as if, and it's
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: same with beliefs, you know, they inherit belief of this
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: is dangerous.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: This, this is something I can't do. This is not possible.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Right. All of that, again, is going to really change
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: the way that I'm interacting with my environment. And it's
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: going to ultimately like keep me in the same box.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: And so it really was thinking, OK, if I have
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: the control and it's inside of me and that's a
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: total internal locus of control switch and I work on
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: that level, what kind of reality can I create? So, yes,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: there was a degree of willpower, but I think it
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: was it was that work that allowed me to create
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: this reality. and to create safety in my body as
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I interacted with things that previously triggered me.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: And was that mindset literally, quote unquote, healing you? Was
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: that actually healing or impacting the symptoms you had previously experienced?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Way that that works is it was creating new neural
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: pathways in my brain. So if you think about like
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: the simple, you know, trigger response of dairy bloating, let's say,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: because I think a lot.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Of people relate with that. When you respond with.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Safety immediately and you interrupt that pattern, you're literally weakening
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: a physical pathway and creating a new one, right? So
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: you're just giving instruction that like this doesn't have to
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: lead to.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: You know, the trigger of bloat or pain or what
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: have you.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: And when you're really deliberate about doing this over and
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: over and you're conscious of how to do this in
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: a strategic way, you change the physical structure of your brain.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: So what's happening underneath the surface is that I'm changing
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: my brain as I'm thinking this way. But you have
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: to feel it. Everyone knows you can't just say, this
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: is fine, right? Because that doesn't elicit any sort of
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: biochemical effect within the body. So you have to actually
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: feel safe around this, which is why I think going
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: on the level of the beliefs and identity and getting
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: the buy-in obviously is the most important part of changing
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: the brain. That's the only way that it works.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Were there, you mentioned there were other people or you
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: said podcasts initially that you were kind of inspired by
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: listening to people who were doing this, people who've done this.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: We've kind of heard about stuff like this in the past,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: but how far does this go? Are we talking about,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there are people listening right now
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: who are like, I've got cancer. What are you saying?
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: You're saying I can change my mind. How far does
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: this go? Faith?
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it is always the question. Um, I'll, I'll, I'll,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: you know, I'll give my sort of cliche response. And
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I think anyone in this world probably is aware of Dr.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Joe Dispenza.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Um, he was my first inspiration, um, When it came
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: to this, I read, I can't remember which was the
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: first book. Anyways, I read one of them that talked
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: about his story where he was hit by a car
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: and they said, you're never going to walk again.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: He's a chiropractor. So he understood the damage.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: And said, I don't want the surgery. Essentially, I'm going
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: to self-heal. And they're like, you're crazy.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: That's impossible. And yet he did.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Now his was very specific because he was laying in bed,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: imagining the healing occurring. And then, you know, if he
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: lost focus, he would go back and do it for
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: like six hours every single day.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: And then here's the miracle he healed.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: And that was really impactful because he had an actual,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: you know, like we can see where the spine was
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: and where it is now. But what he did that,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: was really interesting is he wrote a book called You
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Are the Placebo, which essentially takes all these placebo trials
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: that are like the most far-reaching ones, pulls it together,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: and you just read it. You just read trial after
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: trial after trial. And it gives me goosebumps. And it
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: is what kick-started that this is possible for me. And
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: to answer your question, I mean, when I read that,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I think anything is possible. How do we access that?
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I think we don't know our power, right? So you
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: have to look to a placebo trial to see... these
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: insane stories of people going one way or the other
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: based off what they believe, right?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: So how strong is your belief?
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: And that's what got me on my whole thing of like, oh,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: what if I change my belief?
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I utilize this idea of the placebo effect.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I really get behind it, become obsessed with it, delete
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: any other information from my reality. What if I can
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: use the placebo effect to my advantage? I think anything
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: is possible, but I would never undermine someone's situation and
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: sit there and say, oh, you can just heal that,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: no big deal.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know how in any situation, but I believe
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: that the body has the capacity to do anything and
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: that we're not very close to understanding how powerful that
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: we are.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: So let me just say it here. You're amazing. Oh,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: thank you. Incredible. Come on, Faith.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Jesus. So....
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Family around during this process? Friends? What were people thinking?
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Were people thinking you were nuts? Faith, let's go. We
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: got to go to the doctor. What are you doing?
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, basically.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: So my fiance is basically like an angel and he
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: was just supportive of everything. To be honest, I've always
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: kind of been like a wellness girly. So I think
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: for him, he was like, Well, you're always walking around
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: in a red light mask and a vibration plate. So
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know how different this really is from, but, um,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean, it was actually more of a,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: unfortunately like ego death. Like I did lose a lot
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: of my relationships because I had to drastically change my life,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: my boundaries, um, the way I showed up in the
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: world being this different person.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Um, so that was hard. It was definitely really hard.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: All right, so let's kind of jump here to kind
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: of recent day. At what point were you thinking, I'm
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: ready to get back to work, I feel really good?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: At some point you must have been like, I want
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: to help other people, I want to start this, walk
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: us through how that started, and we'll kind of share
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: with people what you're doing. This is amazing.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Well, come on.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: You'll laugh at how this happened because it happened all
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: at once.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I didn't know up until about two months before my
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: wedding whether or not I'd be able to walk down
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: the aisle. I still wasn't 100%. I had safety meds
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: just in case I needed them. But I was feeling 80%,
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: 85% better. I was a little nervous about the pressure
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: because it's all day in the sun. I don't drink
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: or stopped drinking at the time. Anyways, so I was like,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: what is this going to be like? Anyways, I have
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: a great wedding. I'm thankfully able to do it and
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: I have so much fun. Go on my honeymoon, I
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: get pregnant right away. So then I'm thinking, oh my God,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I'm about to have a baby and I don't have
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: a job.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I've kind of just been doing this, but I think
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I'm actually better now. So that's when I said, I
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: really need to hurry up and start a business because
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I know it's not going to be easy when the
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: baby arrives. Um, so I sat down and I was like,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: what am I going to do? So I had this
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Instagram page on chronic illness and how I was healing myself,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: but I now was healed. So I was like, I
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: don't know what, how to show up in the world. Um,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: so I changed my Instagram to, you know, who I
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: am now versus who I was lost all my followers
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: and launched a course. And I built the course while
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I was pregnant, went live with it when the baby
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: was born.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: So it was a bit crazy.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: And I've been having babies and breastfeeding for for five
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: years straight, I didn't get a break, but in those
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: five years I built the business. Um, and yeah, it's
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: just been all systems go. Um, I'm very decisive. So
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: I just sit down, I look at something and I'm like, right,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: this is what we're going to do. And, and that's
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: what I did.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: And yeah.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: What were you during this time where you were kind of,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: you kind of had shifted your mentality and belief systems.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Were you seeing a la doctors or functional medicine doctors?
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: And what was that interaction like?
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: I was still seeing two functional medicine doctors. And I
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: just was constantly checking my blood work, especially when I
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: got pregnant because I was like, okay, I need to
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: make sure I don't flare.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I know there are implications there.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: So they were helping me with my supplementation while I
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: was pregnant, like prenatals and stuff like that. So yeah,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, I still was using them, but it was
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: in a different capacity. It's like, hey, by the way,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: I'm better now when I'm pregnant. What prenatal should I take?
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: How do I optimize for breastfeeding and things like that?
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: What was their response? Were they like, oh, great, or really?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Or were they surprised? Were they supportive?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Super supportive.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think my functional medicine doctors are, they
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: believe all of this, you know, like they, they saw
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: that we've done everything and they, they knew that I'd
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: done the work and I took it as far as
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: I could.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: And, and they thought it was amazing.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, they refer, um, patients to me still who
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: have gone as far as they can. And, um, And
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: they were super happy.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Both of them.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I texted them when I was pregnant and they were like, yes,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: this is like, this is the sign of, you know,
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: ultimate health.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: And like, you did it. And it was the same
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: with my second baby.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I got pregnant on the first try again, like wonderful pregnancy,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: successful breastfeeding health, you know?
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's incredible. Like it's, it's been wonderful.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Um, all right. So how are you feeling now?
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Great. Yeah.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: You're feeling great. I mean, at symptom, did everything just
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: go away? Yep.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: It went away.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: And I said on my Instagram story the other day,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I was filling out a questionnaire for a doctor and
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: they said any previous health conditions.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: And I checked no, and then I submitted it. And
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: then I said, Oh my God, wait, yes, no, I do.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: And I said, this is an example of how delusional
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: I was and am because I just so do not
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: associate with that identity because anymore that I forget almost
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: I don't but I do you know like consciously I'm
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: just like nope um and yeah it's just not a
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: part of my reality.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: So forgive all these questions I love it I'm like
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: looking for I'm like looking for the superwoman supergirl cape behind.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: No oh my gosh no so what are.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: We what are you saying here are you saying that
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: some of our physical symptoms are What, a development of
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: our minds?
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: So this is how I would explain it. Let's say
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: you have the inception point of a chronic symptom. So
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: whether that's pain, maybe it's an injury.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know. There's so many different chronic symptoms.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: There's dizziness, exhaustion, migraine, headaches, chronic pain of any kind, autoimmune.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: But there's some inception point that is very real that
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: triggers the sensation, right? we don't always know what it is,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: but at some point it started, it wasn't there and
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: it started. So there's an inception point. So as we're
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: experiencing those symptoms, if we experience them over the period
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: of a few months, what the brain does is instead
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: of like going through the cycle in a granular way
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: and thinking trigger response generated, it just, just like brushing
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: your teeth in the morning, it makes that a habit.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: So all of a sudden, even though it's a very
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: real issue, the sensation is just being sent automatically.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And this is what happens.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: People will find that they're doing everything to heal, but
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: they still have the same sensations.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: And what I'm trying to say is maybe it did work.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Like maybe what you did really did heal you.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Oftentimes that's the case, but because this has become a
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: habit in the brain, you're sitting here thinking, why is
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: it not working? Why can't the system help me? Yada, yada.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: And then because that cycle happens, you then have the
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: added issue of creating more chronic symptoms because you've reinforced
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: this idea that you're chronically ill, that you're an exception,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: that you can't heal. And so now your brain is
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: on high alert. It's hyper-focusing on sensations because that's what
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: the brain does from a survival standpoint. And so your
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: nervous system is stuck. Your brain is stuck. It's firing
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: in only one direction. And so the sensations are real.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Like they are absolutely like, of course, and they suck. But...
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: What's really actually a tissue issue and what's a habit?
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: And that's my question.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: And, and, and what we know from the studies on
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: pain specifically, but you can apply these, the way the
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: brain changes to anything is that about 90% of the
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: time when you've been sick like that, when it's chronic,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: not acute, the majority of the sensations are habits.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: They're, they're the brain.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Wow. But just to be clear, you are making a
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  Speaker 1: distinction between congenital issues and you said also what's a
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: tissue issue and what's a habit. There are actual issues
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  Speaker 1: going on sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: At the beginning, if this is something you've developed, yes,
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  Speaker 3: initially the issue was caused. But most of the time,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: We heal or we don't need the pain.
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  Speaker 2: So the pain.
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  Speaker 3: Functions to protect us, right? That's only helpful if you
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: need to be protected. I'm going to put my hand
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  Speaker 3: on an oven and I'm going to move because I
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: need protection. You don't need protection from your sensations unless
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  Speaker 3: you're about to get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: And so you decide, do I need this? Is this
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  Speaker 2: serving me?
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes if it's pain, it does serve you, right? Like
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: you don't want to do that move. Like my husband
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: has like a herniated disc, right? So he only does
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: certain workouts because his body's telling him this doesn't serve you.
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  Speaker 2: Fine.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: But like outside of that, there's no benefit to having
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: that pain. And so that's where you can also train
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  Speaker 3: your brain, right? If you know that it's not a
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: life or death thing or it's not hurting you, do
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: you want that sensation?
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Does it serve you?
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: If not, you can find safety there and retrain that response.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: All right. This could go on forever, my questions here,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: because it's fascinating. So the healing feeling, you started the
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: healing feeling. What do you do? How are you working
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  Speaker 1: with people, et cetera?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I essentially teach this to people who have
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: chronic sensations or are diagnosed chronic illness. And I teach
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  Speaker 3: it in a program that I've, you know, it's like
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  Speaker 3: my flagship program that people move through essentially the curriculum
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  Speaker 3: that I've written sort of a refined, elevated version of
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: what I did. Obviously, I've, you know, done a lot
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  Speaker 3: more research and work since then. And I teach people
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  Speaker 3: how to use their. deeper mind and mixed with the
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: science of neuroplasticity and, you know, what we know now
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  Speaker 3: about the brain to desensitize their brains to their sensations
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  Speaker 3: and start feeling better again.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: And you work with people. There's a course that you have.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Is it an online course in person components or what?
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: It's online.
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  Speaker 3: It is a mixture of like it's live. I coach
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: live and I answer questions live. Um, and I answer
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: questions in the chat and then there's also a curriculum,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: which like everyone has to move through, um, and be
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: assessed on based on like their physiology changing. Cause it's very,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: you know, like there's method to the madness, if you will. Um,
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  Speaker 3: so that's how I work people. And yeah, it's really fun.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: And you also have a podcast.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I did.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I had a podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I stopped the podcast cause I just couldn't manage it.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Everything.
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to pick the podcast back up, but there's
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: a lot of things I'd love to do without burning
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: myself out.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Well, look, as we wind down here, Faith, this is amazing.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: You're amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, your story, your story, you're welcome. Your story
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: is incredible, but you are so frigging inspiring. I mean, yeah, it's, it's, Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Love to have you back at a later date. Yeah.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: How do people learn more about you, learn more about
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: your work and your course? How can they get in
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: contact with you?
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: They can follow me on Instagram, which I'll send you
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: the link, thathealingfeeling. I also have a free class if
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: anybody is interested in understanding a little bit more. It's
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: an hour long and I just go through like the
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: six steps behind my methodology, give away a bunch of
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: tools that people can try on their own. And if
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: it serves them and they want to learn more, they're
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: welcome to reach out. So I'll give you that link
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Okay. We'll have all that linked up here at the
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: show notes page at the traumatherapistpodcast.com. Faith, awesome. Really, I'm
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: so glad I met you. You're like, I'm like, I'm like,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like excited.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Seriously. Appreciate, appreciate what you're doing. Thank you so much.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Take care.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: You too.