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Terron Armstead: I Wanted to Go Out on My Terms · The Fish Tank: Miami Dolphins Tales From The Deep

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not the left to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No objections, no surgery.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got to get this thing replaced, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I went home with that information and I made the decision.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to go out on my terms.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to go out, how I want to go out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jews, my career's supposed to be over at your three.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't allow it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mentally, I didn't allow it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like physically, I could have just walked away and workers' confidence dang.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm mentally, I wouldn't have won it for me that wouldn't end in my story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to the Fish Tank, presented by Van Horton Law Group and Casabella Design Group, Seth Levitt, and the man with the best hands in a podcast business.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is Ocean McDuffie Juice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is just one podcast or two another today, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This family right here, big stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in the same type of steps that we both took, well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He and I took.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, from from the field to the podcast booth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know the field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just out of the field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, you were in the suit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're suit my booty on this on the field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, and big set.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As you always know, man, the right side of football too, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the talk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even though it was the left side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the right side but the left side well if you're here in that voice and you're a Dolphins fan you know who that voice belongs to very excited to have podcaster extraordinaire and a guy who was a really damn good football player as well to Ron Armstrong said dive into the fish tank for the first time to stand appreciate you man of course of course how you guys know
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[SPEAKER_02]: good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good, bro.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just excited about this episode right here, of course, man, and we've got so much we want to talk to you about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, you had a 12 year NFL career as one of top players at your position.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think there's another way to start this show, big stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, other than discuss like his game as a football player, we talked about a little bit already, but he's in our world now as a podcast there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Indeed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, T-Stead, tell us about the set.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Your podcast, which is absolutely killing it right now with the star-studded line of guessing and great analysis as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Talk about the set, bro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate it, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's been fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's been great to get the show started.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The idea of the set came, well, before I even had a name, but the idea of getting into the media side of the game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: came at the very, very end of my career and decided to go into it and like anything else, you know, Jews when you put some type of effort into it, the way we do it, we go all in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I really wanted to go full investment into it, give the time, effort to energy that's necessary to
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[SPEAKER_03]: be consistent and be like a real space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not here to go viral or to do any like clip moments or anything like that just fair on its analysis, critiquing the game, giving my criticism thoughts and opinions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the set, we're live on YouTube every Monday night, 7 p.m. Eastern Tom, and every Thursday, we drop an episode with a player, a coach, someone around the space around the game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's been great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got to make sure we tune in to accept because we do our live Wednesday night show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's no conflict here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can actually get on this Monday night show and check you out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe steal some ideas big Seth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, when we were scheduling our live, I'm like, we're going to stay out of the way in the big film.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to stay on the outside.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You need time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was pull up any time in Monday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it looks like a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're doing some great stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I said in that tweet, the guest list, especially the last few weeks from a Dolphins perspective, has been really, really strong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as the old washed up PR guy in the group here, I want to hear more about your transition from player to medium member, basically, or content creator, if you will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it seems like
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was made relatively quickly as you just explained, but it was also at least from the outside looking in it seems like it's gone really smooth man and maybe that's just you maybe that's just how you roll but a lot of guys so so I want to hear about that, but I also want to ask you about the fact that a lot of guys who make that transition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They either jump on with an outlet like an ESPN or a local radio station or if they launched their own podcasts, they have a co-host, they have one, two group of guys and there's some really good stuff out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've chose to ride solo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I don't feel like we see that as frequently, I would love to know not only about the transition, but also what went into you making that decision to go as a solo rider.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, man, it honestly wasn't master planned out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't have a list of potential candidates to co-host with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have like a full drawn out plan of how we were going to execute the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's more so been trial and error and just going going after it and going about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm putting I'm I'm doing a work, you know, I mean, I don't want to be a goddess just up there talking I watched the games I go back and look at film before I give a analysis like so I didn't expect it to be this this tough I'll be honest with you guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure you guys know too, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the podcast that you guys face
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to be good at it, it's a lot of work that goes into it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, a retard from the NFL after 12-year career and all the hours that goes into that and not transition to media and, like I say, ignorance talking, I'm thinking it's going to be just talk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just talk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all guys do, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just talk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: not even close.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I got I got a deep appreciation for media and everything that the media members do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So what you see on the outside might look seamless has been it has been a grind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's been a lot of trial and error.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of mistakes has been made that we try to correct the learn from.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At some point I think I'll have a co-host.
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[SPEAKER_03]: but the way that the show was going and growing organically, I'm not forcing anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have the one to tell me what to say, how to say it and all these other things like the bigger platforms.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do we say?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, it's your fucking, do what the fuck you want to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do what the fuck you want to do, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I don't know what a big set before you move on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who did I was going to tell T-stand with the new anyways?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know someone else is like the really trying to keep the big set.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He trying to keep the big set.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He can't even have to write a really big set.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No doubt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a couple things on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love hearing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Number one, when a guy tells me it's a grind, then I respect it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if somebody's telling me it's easy, that means they're just telling me someone else is doing all the work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're just showing up, you know, when it's time to show up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: are you talking about my partner like that man can you talk about someone's back into the face yeah I don't know I'm right here I wasn't talking about but they say hit dog and holler I'm gonna say anyway so what I'm saying is though like Travis Wingfield is our guy we love Travis I know you did stuff with Travis
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he does a solo show, and Jews and I are like, yo, that's a different animal, man, the fact that you can do that solo show and be entertaining and talk to an in theory kind of nobody for a period of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With the interviews and those things, the preparation is to challenge and the work and booking the guests, as you know, is brutal because clearly you are flexing all your relationships.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is not, and then they change on yet, they change times, they change availability, and all that stuff is not changed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the phone number things is a whole other thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They tell you yes and then they ghost all that stuff but but to sit there and do a show and be entertaining for a period of time without anybody but you and that microphone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got a lot of respect for it so I just wanted to go ahead and say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do have this question though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you last year were also still mentoring players on that Dolphins team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You were in training camp, you were showing up and helping guys on the field, helping guys showing, you know, I love the way you have just been kind of a big broder to guys and how to navigate life as a professional player, all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then you're also doing this show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there were a couple moments man where some things popped off, there was like that fight and camp or whatever or, you know, friendly fire and and then you you're reporting on it and I said to juice, ooh, I don't know as a four or PR guy like, you know, we would support our guys, but wait a minute if you're in the inner sanctum and that how have you juggle that have you had any push back has that been a learning experience for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Great question, Seth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great question.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it has been a learning experience for sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For me, again, like I say, I'm never intending to go viral.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if I talk on a topic or a subject, I'm able to communicate or offer up my perspective in a way that that's still protective to the people that I'm that I'm talking about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: a camp fighter almost fight to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's nothing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we we we we talk about an an and also it's 400 other cameras out there people you on there on their regular phones was not like it happened then the practice facility where nobody is is the public they didn't know there was a fight yeah the public open practice so everyone out there heard what it whatever so just offered offer up that you know give my my take on it
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have any, any real issues talk to the dolphins about it or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And as you see, I can still report in the area and share my thoughts and opinions on what I mean, they not to big dog anybody, but they can't tell me what it's good I can't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Even though I'm always trying to protect the team anyway.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's still been learned and experienced.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some of those relationships are delicate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you got to treat it as such because it is fragile.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to say anything to ruin the relationship or torrential relationship.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it is different, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some sensitivity that you got to be aware of that you didn't necessarily know exist that has a player being on the other side of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some people take words or opinion or thought or how you pose the question as
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, man, take offense to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a learning experience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he said, I'm gonna tell you, man, the tough transition for me was going from a former player to a guy that's doing podcast or media.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they think that, you know, we're gonna, you know, go in there and hear something and go back and report it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We still got that locker room sanctity about everything, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What happens in locker room stays in a locker room, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was a tough transition for me because, you know, now I'm treated more like media
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hell, top 50 players and dolphin history, man, and it drives me crazy, bro.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It really does, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that thin line we crossed, we'll never crossed the line of showing up the team or giving some insight from Mason that we shouldn't be putting out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we love that we love the team too much, still.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no question.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No question.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's, it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You, you say that because you crossed that line that you get treated as such.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And me and you both, Jews, you've been been, been enough facility, been like a room for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We know and have seen things that would instantly go like if we wanted to, to go there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's not why we do it now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's not what we do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You'll do that 25 years down the road, T-Stead, when you're talking about, well, you know, I never talked about what I played but 25 years ago, you know, this happened in the locker room, you know, and that's a lot of the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This story is getting spread around, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so, all right, so let's go back to 2022, T-Stead, you're the prize-free agent guy that class, you know, as we all know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know how and why you chose Miami, and then once you did, you proceeded to win over every single doll fan
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[SPEAKER_02]: to just contract signing in the number 13 Dammarino jersey at what point did you side that was the right fit for this big moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: instantly when I went out new all the signing to Miami I had I had my people go I needed Dan jersey and we're in Dallas I'm in Dallas so it honestly wouldn't that easy to find it's all these cowboys jersey and I'm not wearing that so we
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, oh, yeah, it's perfect, perfect.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just one of the, I wanted to show, so show how much you get respect.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had met Dan on my visit, because I didn't even know Dan was on the staff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when I went to visit and I talked to Mike McDaniel, talked to Chris Greer and Frank Smith and all those guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, and then, you know, he's, you know, off is he's here like, yeah, oh man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when I flew back home before I signed, I'm like, yeah, I need the danger as you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When I signed his contract, I know how I'm stepping.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, and then he's he's a great guy to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's so chill man, and you know, what was your like perception to him before you got a chance to like meet him face to face?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because a lot of people don't think then there's some, I don't know what they think about them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when you get the meeting, get the knowing man, that's a chill dude, right, bro?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The most chill, most humble.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Legend, the most humble superstar Hall of Famer that you ever come across man, he's just a normal guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As you know, just you guys play together for a very long time and broke records.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not all these amazing things, but Dan is just
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[SPEAKER_03]: a guy is just a normal, a normal person man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really, really adore and admire that man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How he goes about his business.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How optimistic he is with everyone in the building.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He always trying to look to push and encourage, uh,
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's never, never a downer, always, always looking to, to push the, the dolphins forward.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Keep everyone on the positive note of my set.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's, he's still a leader.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He don't even say much, but he still leads with his energy and his optimism all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now real quick, he's dead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys have it like a damn arena type in the world when you're there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like somebody's in the building that's one of those legends.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I can't say, I can't say we had anybody of like his, his statue and I had his level career and Sean Payton was a, was a, uh, chains on a door guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The wasn't really, he didn't really let like many visitors then come through the facility often, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: If they did, he was Joe Clark, he was Joe Clark up and then he was Joe Clark, he was Joe Clark, he was Joe Clark, he was Joe Clark, go to you, it'll be rare what he had someone that had come through the facility and that they did, they go right into the team, he was he didn't really mess around with like visitors and all that, he didn't play that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your first year with the fins, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a decent football team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a team that showed promise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, we had the the two of concussions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The number of which is still debatable, but that's not what we're here for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The team does make it to the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Guys give Buffalo all that they could handle with Skyler Thompson under center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then 23, 20, 20, 23 rolls around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this team, it looks like world beaders, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Mike McDaniel is reinventing offense, literally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are teams around the league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, what is that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want to steal that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The 70 burger that you drop on on your former coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's speak in of the man who's locked up the doors, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Best hands on setlies in the league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hard knocks is like, we need to get down to Miami.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of those things are happening to us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Healthy the whole year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, and the leaves like in a palm of your hands, Toronto, and then to the Tennessee Flip and Titans game happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was almost like, in an instant, the league like figured out McDonald's offense and things caught up to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed as if from the outside looking in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And almost like they were looking for answers ever since throughout the remainder of his tenure here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What in your estimation, you had a front row see you participated in all of that juice that I are just trying to figure it out from outside looking in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What in your estimation happened in that moment?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, man, that 23 season came down to health.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, it just came down to health, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We, we, we, we lost probably 14 of the 22 starters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess that's tough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's tough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it don't really matter to scheme, it matter to the,
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[SPEAKER_03]: The schematics of everything when you really just just down and we started to roll guys in signing guys off the street and they're starting the next day and next game that 23 season came down to health and we hit a wall which we had done throughout the season even when we were rolling we had our moments stretches where we didn't move the ball well we couldn't score well
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we also had Bradley to have Jayla Phillips and those other guys that's creating turn up Van Ginkl running back interception like so the moments that we struggled offensively our defense was exceptional and not just getting the ball back but creating points.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you get down later in the season, you're playing really good teams and you don't have that anymore.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have that security blanket.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're often as not going to square every time that it touched the ball.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And as we had those moments, our defense that that that that's depleted honestly with through through injury, we're not able to get those extra possessions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're not able to insert the rhythm of it just kind of came to a halt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: 24 was a different different story, different team brand new brand new team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a different identity than 23.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think 23 we had some special we had a chance to do something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Say, I'm less than you'll.
17:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no doubt about it, man.
17:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It injuries always play such a big part.
18:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And people don't say that.
18:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember one time, the Denver Broncos came down there, big set for the Super Bowl, and they had nobody, nobody on the injured report.
18:09
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
18:11
[SPEAKER_02]: That's living life, right?
18:12
[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like how that possible.
18:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially when all your number ones are out there man like like Toronto said they have some guys come off the street man You know Toronto big stuff just brought up Mike McDaniel, you know, you know, we have Mike on the show was first you here And he was cool as hell man.
18:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Seems like a great guy, but here's the thing he said I play for Joe Paterno downstream in Jimmy Johnson my career
18:35
[SPEAKER_02]: three holes and coaches, but also, I didn't need to go outside it.
18:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I would try to talk about me, so I thought like I said, just show, you know what I mean, just show.
18:44
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I wouldn't do it.
18:49
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're also all three guys at coach really hard, you know?
18:53
[SPEAKER_02]: and we're the unquestionable judge, jury, and executioner of their prospective teams.
18:59
[SPEAKER_02]: You played like you said for Sean Payton, you know, another coach with a tough guy reputation, who may also find himself in a Hall of Fame one day out.
19:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I guarantee probably will at some point and probably, you know, he's probably coming to the same club.
19:12
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my guy.
19:13
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, can you get Miami Mike?
19:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, we're not here to put you an awkward position here.
19:18
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not what we do, but how different was McDaniel from Peyton with respect to leading a group of alpha males, man.
19:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And how fair is the narrative that this plan was an issue with this team under Mike?
19:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, different.
19:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Definitely different, man.
19:32
[SPEAKER_03]: They were definitely different.
19:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Definitely different.
19:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I would.
19:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe even say polar opposites as far as head coach approach and being that disciplinary in the store style of discipline.
19:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, it's different.
19:45
[SPEAKER_03]: As far as coaching football, offensively two geniuses, two brilliant minds, two guys that know how to create matchups and mismatches, know how to find space and a defense can predict what the defense is going to do to try to stop X1Z.
20:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so the similarities there for sure.
20:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Sean was tough.
20:05
[SPEAKER_03]: He was the judge jury executioner, like you said, like he,
20:13
[SPEAKER_03]: He wanted to run his team and discipline that he had consequences for such actions.
20:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Mike approached to a head coach was different all around.
20:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Revolutionary.
20:26
[SPEAKER_03]: It was to me never seen before his style of coaching and style of head coach.
20:32
[SPEAKER_03]: It was heavily player-led.
20:34
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of decisions with my committee.
20:37
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of communication.
20:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Just offering up information on high.
20:40
[SPEAKER_03]: This was what we doing.
20:41
[SPEAKER_03]: This is why we're doing it.
20:42
[SPEAKER_03]: It was new to me.
20:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Because Sean said we're doing two days.
20:46
[SPEAKER_03]: we're just doing that.
20:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Michael explained it to you and break it down to you.
20:50
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was different.
20:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I won't say that it was wrong or that it wasn't effective.
20:54
[SPEAKER_03]: It just was different.
20:56
[SPEAKER_03]: That's his approach and that's his style.
20:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he wanted to be able to revolutionize the hey coaching position that we know this position to be tough, stern, final say so.
21:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Mike wanted to be more community and collaborative.
21:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And we have success.
21:14
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't go and ultimately go win the playoff games and go to Super Bowl, but he did show that it can be effect when when it's presented to the right group of guys.
21:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And everyone's bought in and you got the health and durability.
21:25
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I mean, when things going right, it was it was smooth.
21:28
[SPEAKER_03]: It was smooth.
21:29
[SPEAKER_03]: And we had our tough stretches, our tough times.
21:32
[SPEAKER_03]: It was times that I honestly wanted Mike to do more as a disciplinary, put his foot down more.
21:38
[SPEAKER_03]: But he stayed true to like him.
21:43
[SPEAKER_03]: The head coach, I've got here being me and I'm going to stick to being me and I love it.
21:48
[SPEAKER_03]: His authentic is real is genuine.
21:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I respect it a thousand percent.
21:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, do you think that was effective though at the end of the day with the team, though?
21:56
[SPEAKER_02]: You think about it?
21:57
[SPEAKER_02]: You talk about Sean Peyton, gotten results.
21:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I talked about my guys.
22:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God results.
22:02
[SPEAKER_02]: It seemed like it's sometimes maybe guys might have taken advantage of.
22:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just on the outside looking in, but, you know, of course, I get, I hear things as well.
22:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I still be in, in the loop, but man, it seemed like some guys, not, not, not, not yourself, but seem like some other guys might have taken advantage of that kindness.
22:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it effective?
22:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to say it was it was effective.
22:20
[SPEAKER_03]: We had our we had our mom's mail where we we'd look like the best payment in the field Yeah, and he was coaching the same way at that time and then we had our mom's where we didn't look good at all He's called so I got to say I appreciate the consistency of Mike But we also have same coaches that are super tough super hard disciplinarians and they don't win shit either You know what I mean?
22:42
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fair, you know, you try to go in and taste that championship only one team get that get that done.
22:49
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, I say, it was times where I'm like, man, I might need to eat me to go ahead and put that foot down.
22:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Drop your hammer.
22:56
[SPEAKER_03]: And don't get me wrong.
22:57
[SPEAKER_03]: He had, he had moments, man.
22:59
[SPEAKER_03]: He would address guys and pull guys up to his office and address guys in front of the team.
23:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he had his moments for sure, but on a consistent basis, he was who he was and who he was from the start of his tenure.
23:11
[SPEAKER_02]: My grandfather always said big set there's more than one way to skin a cat.
23:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
23:16
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the same.
23:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
23:17
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the same.
23:18
[SPEAKER_01]: There's, uh, and, you know, there's something about proof in the pudding and all that other stuff too.
23:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are two.
23:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and this actually leads me into.
23:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad that Jews brought up the leadership conversation and you, you really, um,
23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You could tell he does this, too.
23:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you kind of set me up for my next question.
23:32
[SPEAKER_01]: He cheated on her.
23:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
23:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So look, I worked for Jason Taylor.
23:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I was blessed to work with guys like Juice, like Zack, like Sam a Pat, and so on and so forth.
23:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, we're older guys, so we saw it done a different way, and you know, you heard who the coaches were in those moments.
23:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like guys have told me that that style of coaching can in theory work.
23:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, it worked at times, but but as we all know in any football season, even with the best teams, there are moments, right?
24:05
[SPEAKER_01]: There's always going to be kind of that that the peaks and valleys.
24:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And what every guy has told me is that stuff can work if you have the right guys in the lock room.
24:15
[SPEAKER_01]: and some of the guys with the right guys I would say give me a thrown arm instead of anything my coach you know like that absolutely and we had some of those guys yeah no doubt
24:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But we felt, again, we're like on the outside with our toe on the line kind of thing, because we do still know people and what have you and we hear things and we also know what it looks like or what it should look like, haven't been around the league as long as we have.
24:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And it felt to us or I'll just put my name on it, juice and you can co sign if you want.
24:44
[SPEAKER_01]: But it felt to me.
24:45
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see if I'm on it.
24:47
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll sign it.
24:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it makes it a way to do, do you have to say first?
24:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the guys who were considered leaders,
24:54
[SPEAKER_01]: may have been very talented players, may have been revered by their teammates because of their accomplishments in the league, but maybe weren't the guys that you needed or wanted, I'm not saying you, but just in general, leading a locker room.
25:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And that when you have the wrong guys who are also in a position of leadership or power,
25:16
[SPEAKER_01]: then things can implode at times.
25:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what it felt like happened.
25:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've even went on to radio, juicy, remember?
25:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, look, I don't necessarily agree with the way Mike McDonald's approaches.
25:27
[SPEAKER_01]: But ultimately, I feel like he tried to do everything he could for his players, and that some of those guys let him down.
25:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not asking you the name names.
25:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want, you know, for somebody who was a part of those teams, if you feel that sometimes if the wrong guys are in a position to influence heavily, if that could lead to some of the troubles that the team ran into beyond injury.
25:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Just in general, yeah, if you got the wrong people in leadership, you need not going too far.
25:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:55
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just, that's in line, that's seeing a main sports politics, that's, you know, in business as well.
26:03
[SPEAKER_03]: But what I, what I would say is, we let each other down, we failed the mission.
26:10
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't, we didn't get the job done as a team.
26:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was one of those leaders, Captain.
26:15
[SPEAKER_03]: last eight years in my career.
26:16
[SPEAKER_03]: So during that time we didn't we didn't do enough.
26:18
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't get the job done.
26:19
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't lead the right way.
26:20
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't bring along enough enough people.
26:23
[SPEAKER_03]: The best teams have been a part of the best players or the leaders or the captains.
26:28
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
26:29
[SPEAKER_03]: So not a guy to just know how to talk and a guy at that water, rock, rock, everybody.
26:34
[SPEAKER_03]: But the best players, ones that go out and produce, but also have the ability to
26:39
[SPEAKER_03]: to reach back and bring guys along.
26:41
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's always optimal when you can have your top five players be your captains doesn't mean that they have to be not everyone is fit to be a captain, but also guys have to understand that people lead in different ways.
26:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I can lead by example.
26:58
[SPEAKER_03]: This guy can leave more vocally.
27:00
[SPEAKER_03]: He can know how to talk and get through the guys differently.
27:04
[SPEAKER_03]: So at the end of it, Seth, we failed as a unit, as a team, as a collective, as a group of captains, as a regime.
27:13
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't get the job done.
27:14
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't win a playoff game for the city of Miami.
27:16
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't go to the Super Bowl, which is the ultimate goal or while we played a game.
27:21
[SPEAKER_03]: So just as a whole, we didn't get the job done.
27:23
[SPEAKER_02]: makes sense to me big stuff.
27:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I like that.
27:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a, that's a sign of a true leader rate.
27:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's a captain speed.
27:29
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why that's a captain leader rate.
27:31
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
27:31
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
27:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly right.
27:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, eight, these points, you know, it's all in all.
27:35
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all love is damn it.
27:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I like that.
27:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
27:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, all right, Ron, we spend enough time talking about everybody else.
27:43
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
27:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about you a little bit.
27:45
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about a 12 seasons, five probals, selected as an NFL top 100 player on multiple occasion.
27:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's no doubt that when you're on the field, you're as good as anyone at that position.
27:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Not even a question.
27:58
[SPEAKER_02]: We love how athletic you were, especially being a big guy.
28:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Big guys that can move man, that's that's always fun.
28:04
[SPEAKER_02]: How are you playing with?
28:06
[SPEAKER_02]: and the footwork was always night, if there was ever a question about a teen state, it wasn't about your play, it was whether, you know, you can battle through whatever you're going through health wise, man.
28:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And we know we're going to talk a little bit about some of the things that you're still probably dealing with, and you definitely fought through those injuries in Miami.
28:23
[SPEAKER_02]: But when you retire, you come to find out.
28:26
[SPEAKER_02]: We come to find out that prior to 2024, we're told, you told you need a knee replacement surgery.
28:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, talk about, I mean my god, talk about what you had to do to play on that knee, you know, because man, you you might not know my story, but I know what I went through, I had a foot injury, a toe injury that I had three surgeries on it that pretty much ended my career, so I'm telling that's a little bit of my back story, and then, you know, tell us about what you were going through there, and then
28:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Then tell us how you're filling now.
28:57
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, have you had to proceed your, I know you dropped a lot of weight.
29:01
[SPEAKER_02]: You look great right now.
29:02
[SPEAKER_02]: How you feeling right now, my man?
29:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, I'll side it isn't me.
29:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll side it isn't me.
29:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm all good, man.
29:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll be out of loss like 40, 45 pounds since I retire.
29:12
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's helped a lot.
29:14
[SPEAKER_03]: But my knee is a problem.
29:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Every day, every day, man, is winning.
29:18
[SPEAKER_03]: When I get out of this chair right now, I'm gonna have to preheat this baby to walk into the front of the house.
29:25
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a challenge and when I got to that last season before the season started and we had the conversation and the doctor's office and it's like, it's nothing left to do no injections, no surgery.
29:37
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to get this thing replaced, man.
29:38
[SPEAKER_03]: So I went home with that information and I made the decision.
29:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to go out on my terms.
29:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to go out how I want to go out and I just stop doing the treatment on it.
29:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I stop rehabbing it as much as I, you know, I mean, like, because it really wasn't left nothing left.
29:52
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just working out.
29:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't practice in 2024.
29:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I probably, man, I probably touched the practice field three times that season outside of the walkthrough.
30:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just, I really made the decision.
30:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm gonna go out the way that I'm gonna go out.
30:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And everybody I play against, they got a big deal with it.
30:10
[SPEAKER_03]: They not gonna know my situation, they're not gonna see them, they're not gonna be able to feel it while we plan like.
30:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And as mentioned, I really had so many reps at the mental part of the game because of my injury history.
30:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Jews, my career is supposed to be over at year three.
30:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Done.
30:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't allow it.
30:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Mentally I didn't allow it.
30:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Like physically, I could have just walked away and and workers cop this thing.
30:33
[SPEAKER_03]: And, but I mentally, I wouldn't have won it for me.
30:36
[SPEAKER_03]: That wouldn't end in my story.
30:37
[SPEAKER_03]: So all the surgeries, man, all the times that I'm just out there reinventing myself to be able to play and to play at a high level, you know, it's
30:46
[SPEAKER_03]: tear something in this hand and get surgery so I now I'm left hand and I got to be left hand dominant I got to hit this guy and at this exact spot in order to have a chance to win his rip now I'm dealing with this this high ankle but Nick Bolsa's power is insane so if I don't get on him first he's gonna kill me so I jumped set him every play you know I'm gonna be so like really coming up with a plan
31:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I had so many reps over years in the world's end in Miami.
31:08
[SPEAKER_03]: That by that last year, I could do it.
31:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I could do it.
31:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I can go out and play without taking a snap, without taking a athletic step throughout the week.
31:17
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's just like how I wanted my story to be, you know, I didn't want to be the one of those guys you've seen on films, getting his ass rubbed like that ain't that ain't I'm not doing it.
31:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going forward.
31:28
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, teach that.
31:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just, we were just talking about this on, I don't know what show maybe last week, Big Seth, and people don't understand the amount of surgeries that, right?
31:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Just go through, you know, you go through these surgeries, and people don't even know about like you're talking about.
31:44
[SPEAKER_02]: But we're not talking about, you know, you have an
31:46
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, a little high ankle spraying or a pooled hamstring.
31:49
[SPEAKER_02]: What's up my major shit that people don't understand that guys go in and get taken care of cleaned up fixed.
31:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever it might be all the time.
31:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sitting on, I was talking about it last week.
32:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was last week 11 surgeries.
32:03
[SPEAKER_02]: T-Stead, I mean, people didn't know how many times you've been on the night because we don't talk about it.
32:07
[SPEAKER_02]: We just talked about the fact that you need the knee replace, you know, and he went out there without any practice, you know, mental reps only and still was able to have to maneuver out all these don't do try to come for you.
32:19
[SPEAKER_03]: No question, no question man.
32:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Now people, people don't know Jews, and it's not, it's not our job to share it.
32:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're not allowed to share, because I never look for the building excuse.
32:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I just wanted to be able to cannot play.
32:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that was it.
32:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Regardless of what I'm dealing with, can I play out play games with these surgery stitches still in me, like still on my body?
32:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm in the game with it wrapped up and wrapped up again and I'm going and get it treated for infection and all that after the game.
32:50
[SPEAKER_03]: So that that my question was can I go out and be effective can I help me win it?
32:55
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't get it bro.
32:56
[SPEAKER_02]: They tough that we don't just play game.
32:59
[SPEAKER_02]: It's ain't no game.
33:00
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's man.
33:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell you man.
33:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He'd be like, oh I had no idea to start working.
33:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like this is what guys go through like We only see Sunday at one o'clock, but when you see what happens Sunday evening through until the next one
33:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh my god.
33:16
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty crazy.
33:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to talk left tackles really quickly.
33:18
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a guy here who Jews had the pleasure of playing with.
33:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a pleasure of working with a guy by the name of Richmond Webb.
33:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Who was, yeah, a one hell of a left tackle, a guy that everybody in Dolphins nation believes should be in a profile for all of things.
33:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to ask you one,
33:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you watch any, whether it was before you got here or when once you got here, have you watched any of Richmond Webb's work on tape?
33:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I've just curious, if, if one Pro Bowl left tackle has watched another Dolphins great do that.
33:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the second thing is, what does a Hall of Fame left tackle look like to turn on arms sit?
33:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've seen them, I've seen them and more so in my post career as I've been watching and studying because I train, I train probably 20 NFL alignment now.
34:04
[SPEAKER_03]: So I go back and watch the greats and how they got it done.
34:08
[SPEAKER_03]: So Willie Rolf has always been a mentor of mine.
34:11
[SPEAKER_03]: He's always been somebody really close to me.
34:13
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what Hall of Fame left tackle look like.
34:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Richmond Webb another and I like to watch the different styles because while I play I'm the athletic quick tackle show and watching myself and watching Trent Williams I'm watching Jason Peters I'm watching the way in Brown like I'm watching guys that fit my style, but then we got a whole other style Joe Thomas and you will work the vertical guys and then we got another style we got Tyler Smith
34:38
[SPEAKER_03]: the 45 the left hand dominant style.
34:41
[SPEAKER_03]: So you know, I mean, so I'm watching.
34:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to take what I can take from these guys, but also know who I am as a player.
34:46
[SPEAKER_03]: So I love to take a look at the guys that did it at a high level for a long time and find out.
34:53
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
34:54
[SPEAKER_03]: This is there.
34:54
[SPEAKER_03]: This is how they got it done and consistently got it done.
34:58
[SPEAKER_03]: So I can teach you back to the to the young guys that I'm trying to know.
35:00
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just saw a big roof the other day, man.
35:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how anybody ever got around here.
35:04
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why they didn't get it.
35:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why he's in the hall.
35:06
[SPEAKER_01]: You were definitely taking a long way.
35:07
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why they got to go the long route by the time the ball's way gone for sure.
35:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they fell for sure.
35:12
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
35:12
[SPEAKER_01]: We know you got to get out of here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The final segment and every fish tank episode is the fish tank two minute drill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, you certainly had to be a part of a lot of two minute drills in your lifetime.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got two minutes on the clock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you need a timeout, but I think you're trying to get out of here, so you can damn them timeouts and we'll throw a few questions at you and we'll get you out of here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds good?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just clock his running.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, here we go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We know you're a rapper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hell, you have five songs featuring on Madden 2024.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's that ass right there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we have to ask the question that all rappers have to, you know, you have to have your opinion on this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bigger or two puck.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Pock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, quick, just like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a, you know, I didn't know because I thought T-Steadels a bit more, you know, I guess he's kind of a Midwest guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so you are one of only three players in Miami Dolphins history to have played his college ball at and he's wearing it right there on the shirt and Arkansas applying, fine bluff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you name the other two?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's in the league right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Julian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, that play for the dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're they're lost.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Put it this way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They, you know, juicin' I cross past.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I play with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's dead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know the answer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a tough one right here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a tough one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's tough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of them is in the, in the, in the arcs up, I'm both Hall of Fame with you, though.
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[SPEAKER_03]: L.C.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Greenwood.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, we would have liked to have L.C.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Greenwood on this spot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you I'll give you the answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, because yeah, that's come to the top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, one was a running back by name of Ray Neely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is Arkansas Pine Bluff Hall of Fame class of 2013.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Ray Neely, if you knew him, I think he would know that you'd bet him because Ray, I bet to his day, can still run his damn mouth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Ray was a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we had a defensive tackle, a giant of a man by name of Ernest Grant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was here for a couple of years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We drafted Ernest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice this guy in the world was like six hundred big three-thirds box run a big set It's Arkansas prime blood history juice We got a given it to a guy with the clock is running.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He don't want him out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I caught one now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right To stand one the toughest guys I ever played with Brian Cox Brian was from the same Lewis Illinois which is less than five miles from where you grew up your hometown of Kuhukia Kuhukia who grew up in the toughest neighborhood you would be cops
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[SPEAKER_03]: is honestly, is actually all the same really, like, if I wanted to, I could walk to East Saint Louis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So five miles, it kind of depend on where you are in because they're both probably only five miles combined.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, they're not necessarily center to center, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right, you're probably probably so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: From my center to Jackie's gonna curse East Saint and so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, it's a rough place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, Coke, East Saint Louis, the center feel like those surrounding are, it's a rough place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Josie said you can walk both of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're all tough, makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They say that's all the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm telling one tough at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, you weren't tough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You weren't talking about not tough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You said you could walk from one of the other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I ain't walking from one of the other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could tell you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And let two stands with me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Even.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not walking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what you said is with me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Final question here this punch is thing in the end zone you sit down at the spades table with three quarterbacks that you have protected Okay, so you're at the spades table drew breeze sits down scholar Thompson sits down and of course to a sit down at the spades table with you I want to know which of those three you want is your partner Which is gonna be the guy that's gonna get accused of talking across the board and then which guy is getting run right there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll off the tape
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will go with Drew, because we've been there done that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We play tour and scholar, so tour will be talking in Boston, trying to talk to you too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I got high space, so go low.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and Scott might get ran off the table.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's credit on the court.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's got a good game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It looks like you got it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Too funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like to talk across the board.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Scott, we're going to your boy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's stealing tie up in here, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is the two minute drill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is Tarot Armstead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Check him out at the set because he's absolutely killing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to try and sneak in there in a Monday night and get in that chat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: James, we need to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to jump.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to jump.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm coming as big set.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you come in as you do?
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[SPEAKER_03]: of course, of course, thank you.