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MOM BEGS FOR HELP TO FIND MISSING JAYDEN, 10, NOW HE'S FOUND IN SHALLOW GRAVE, MOM SUSPECT #1 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Mommy begs for help, begging the public to help find
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  Speaker 2: her missing little boy, Jaden. Now he's found in a
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  Speaker 2: shallow grave and Mommy is suspect number one. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Ten year old Jaden Speiser goes missing in the dead
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  Speaker 3: of night. No witnesses, no streams, just a child gone
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  Speaker 3: without a sound.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, who exactly is mommy? Say that from
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  Speaker 2: our new friend Ariel Hicks' his YouTube, and I would
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  Speaker 2: like to see mommy at her finest again.
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  Speaker 4: Let's just roll that beautiful footage.
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  Speaker 5: Don't you ever say?
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  Speaker 6: Just away always? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: That is from our new friend Ariel Hicks YouTube. Can
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  Speaker 2: we get back to the missing child? Just ten years old?
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  Speaker 2: The world on its ear looking for Jaden, and this
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  Speaker 2: is where it starts.
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  Speaker 6: Listen, a ten year.
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  Speaker 7: Old boy is missing and the Kentucky State Police is
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  Speaker 7: asking for help to find him. Jaden Spicer was last
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  Speaker 7: seen Tuesday night at nine pm. What you went to
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  Speaker 7: bed and reported missing the next morning around nine to
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  Speaker 7: twenty three am in the Panball Branch Road area. Trooper's
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  Speaker 7: and local surgeon rescue teams are asking the public for help.
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  Speaker 7: Jayden's five feet one inch tall, blonde hair, blue eyes,
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  Speaker 7: slim build, glassing wearing a blue Sonic the Hedgehog, but
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  Speaker 7: Jama pant in a matching shirt.
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  Speaker 2: When I think about my twins at age ten, so sweet,
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  Speaker 2: so innocent, just scrubbed in sunshine. What a wild goose chase,
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  Speaker 2: the pain so many people endured looking for this sweet
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  Speaker 2: little boy, joining me an all star panel as suddenly
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  Speaker 2: the Kentucky State Police do an about face, a U turn,
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  Speaker 2: coming to a screeching halt when they find this child's.
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  Speaker 1: Body buried in a shallow grave.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me first to Trooper Matt Gayheart with Kentucky State Police.
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  Speaker 6: The KSP worked this.
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  Speaker 2: Like dogs, using every possible means of detection. Trooper, I
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  Speaker 2: know you've covered a lot of missing children cases, and
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  Speaker 2: you have worked them tirelessly. When you find a child
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  Speaker 2: obviously killed in a shallow grave, not a child that
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  Speaker 2: gets lost in the forest, not a child that falls
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  Speaker 2: in the pool by accident or drowns in a river,
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  Speaker 2: all an accident been buried in a shallow grave. That
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  Speaker 2: has gotten to be excruciating. After all, the hundreds of
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  Speaker 2: man hours you guys put into finding this child.
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  Speaker 8: That's tract. You know, anytime you have a miss a child,
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  Speaker 8: you go into it with the most hope that you're
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  Speaker 8: going to retrieve that child and ring home safely. And
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  Speaker 8: to have an end like this is just absolutely tragic.
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  Speaker 2: You're seeing shots of ten year old Jaden now, and
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  Speaker 2: the internet is saturated with it because seemingly the world
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  Speaker 2: joined in in the search for this little boy. This
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  Speaker 2: as mommy begs for help the whole time she knew
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  Speaker 2: where her child was.
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  Speaker 6: Listen.
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  Speaker 5: Jaden's mother, Felicia Gross, is too anxious to speak with
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  Speaker 5: the media and ask police to share a letter instead.
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  Speaker 5: She writes, we love Jaden and we want him.
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  Speaker 6: Safe at home.
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  Speaker 5: Please, if anyone sees my son Jaden Speicer, please report
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  Speaker 5: it to the Jackson Police Department.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: We love him very much. Please do the right thing,
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  Speaker 5: call the police. Please Pray for us and my son Jayden.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Okay, sometimes even now I'm spaceless.
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  Speaker 6: Pray for us.
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  Speaker 2: And the whole time Mommy, according to police, had just
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  Speaker 2: dug a hole to put her ten year old boy in.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Tripper Matt and Gayheart. Did anyone get suspicious
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  Speaker 2: when mommy would not give a police a public plea
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  Speaker 2: for help.
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  Speaker 8: You know what, as we were searching, you know, the
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  Speaker 8: first full day of surgeon, it takes a little while
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  Speaker 8: to get all of your resources mobilized and on seemed
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  Speaker 8: to start a conductive search at that time, and through
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  Speaker 8: this first full day of surgeon, we started to think
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  Speaker 8: that maybe he's not out there where we're looking.
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  Speaker 2: Let me see the letter, please, I want to see
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  Speaker 2: the letter that mommy put up.
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  Speaker 6: This is a letter mommy.
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  Speaker 2: Refused to speak publicly and issue a plea for help.
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  Speaker 2: This is the letter she had police read to Sydney
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  Speaker 2: Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 6: What exactly happened right there?
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  Speaker 5: The media was contacting miss Felicia Gross, wanting her to
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  Speaker 5: come out and speak with them about her missing son Jaden,
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  Speaker 5: and she didn't want to go on TV, so instead
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  Speaker 5: she wrote this letter asking for help.
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  Speaker 6: She couldn't bring herself.
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  Speaker 5: To be on TV because she had too much of
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  Speaker 5: a guilty conscience. Because we know she wasn't camera shy.
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  Speaker 5: We watched the other video. She clearly is pretty confident
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  Speaker 5: in herself. So I'm thinking it was that guilty conscience
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  Speaker 5: knowing that she falsely reported her son missing and had
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  Speaker 5: people looking for him, she wasn't looking for him herself.
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  Speaker 5: And we know that Jaden has siblings, but Miss Selicia
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  Speaker 5: Gross wasn't out there looking.
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  Speaker 6: For her own child.
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  Speaker 5: So I think that's why she may have been a
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  Speaker 5: little bit too nervous to go on TV.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, you know what, I didn't know that. That's a
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  Speaker 6: mean fact for me.
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  Speaker 2: Trouper Matt Gayheart joining us helping to lead an exhaustive search.
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  Speaker 6: For this child? Is that true?
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  Speaker 2: Is that true that not only does she not speak
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  Speaker 2: publicly asking people to help find her child or encouraging
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  Speaker 2: all of the volunteers out there, she also did not
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  Speaker 2: search herself.
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  Speaker 8: In themediate area at all.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Ben Powers yet ready?
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  Speaker 6: I hope you're ready for round one.
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  Speaker 2: Powers veteran criminal defense attorney and you can find him
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  Speaker 2: at legalpowers dot com. Ben, you know what, you need
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  Speaker 2: to go ahead and finish that first book about how
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  Speaker 2: not to behave when you've done something horrible and one
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  Speaker 2: of those it reminds me of Scott Peterson.
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  Speaker 6: Uh, that's like eating a dirt.
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  Speaker 2: Sandwich, who wouldn't make a public plea for his wife's return,
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  Speaker 2: and who also wouldn't go search for her? I mean
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  Speaker 2: rule number one, at least pretend to search, at least pretend.
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  Speaker 9: Well, so Nancy is a stressful situation, and you don't
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  Speaker 9: know how you're going to react in.
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  Speaker 10: That type of situation.
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  Speaker 9: And so to read into all these things that, oh,
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  Speaker 9: this must mean that because she acted this way, or
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  Speaker 9: it must mean this one specific thing because she did
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  Speaker 9: it do a certain thing. I mean, that's a lot
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  Speaker 9: of speculation, and that's a very specific conclusion that you're
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  Speaker 9: trying to reach on nothing other than your own opinion.
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  Speaker 10: For the conclusion you already want.
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  Speaker 2: To go to second verse, same as the first. So
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  Speaker 2: do you have children? Are you blessed enough to have children?
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  Speaker 6: Ben Powers? I do, okay?
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  Speaker 2: And are you actually telling me if your child went missing,
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  Speaker 2: you would sit on your can watching ESPN while other
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  Speaker 2: people are out looking for your child.
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  Speaker 6: Is that what you're trying to say?
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  Speaker 10: I would think that I would go out.
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  Speaker 9: But what I would say also is I've seen a
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  Speaker 9: lot of different cases with a lot of different stressful, shocking,
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  Speaker 9: panic situations, and you never know how someone's going to react.
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  Speaker 9: Sometimes they react the way you expect, sometimes they don't
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  Speaker 9: but you can't read into that a very specific conclusion
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  Speaker 9: either way. It's just human nature is you never know
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  Speaker 9: how you're going to react to stressful situations, to shocking situations.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, I can't read anything into her reaction other
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  Speaker 9: than that's how she reacted. And you can't say how
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  Speaker 9: what the right reaction is or what the wrong reaction is.
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  Speaker 10: The reaction is just the react right, and there's not
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  Speaker 10: much w to it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Ben Powers, you save that for a jury, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: because that's where this is headed right now. After begging
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  Speaker 2: the public, begging the public in a written plea to
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  Speaker 2: help find her child, hundreds of volunteers out there, the
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  Speaker 2: Kentucky State Police sweating bullets trying to find this child.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take a look. Oh there's the letter. Please show me,
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  Speaker 2: show me Jaden, Wait till you hear what she now
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  Speaker 2: says happened to her little boy. And to doctor Sue
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  Speaker 2: Cornblue joining us family expert, owner of doctor Sue and
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  Speaker 2: You and author of Building Self Esteem and Children and
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  Speaker 2: Teens Adopted or Fostered. And you can find her at
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  Speaker 2: doctor Sue and You dot com. Amazing site. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Sue, thank you for being with us. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: a trial lawyer. I'm just a JD. You are the
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  Speaker 2: veteran shrink. So maybe this is wrong to project, but
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  Speaker 2: don't you know every juror that may end up hearing
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  Speaker 2: this case is going to do the same thing. I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't sit on my rear end watching HGTV while one
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  Speaker 2: of my twins were out there.
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  Speaker 6: God only knows where.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, And I can project a memory when
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  Speaker 2: my son, my daughter, and I there were about two
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  Speaker 2: or three, went to a big, huge Baby's or US
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  Speaker 2: superstore looking for organic sun tannlotion because I got shamed
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  Speaker 2: at the community pool for using regular suntanlotion. And I
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  Speaker 2: looked up and Lucy was standing there, but there was
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  Speaker 2: no John David. I picked her up like a football
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  Speaker 2: like star quarterback and started running through this big warehouse, screaming,
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  Speaker 2: my baby is missing, locked the doors. Everybody helped me,
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  Speaker 2: screaming his name. I felt like electricity had run through me.
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  Speaker 2: Little did I know he was playing a game with
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  Speaker 2: mommy and hiding on a row a few up. But
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  Speaker 2: I ran the other way right. I ran toward the door,
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  Speaker 2: thinking if somebody had him, they would leave. When he
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  Speaker 2: had was hiding the other way. So I'm projecting what
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  Speaker 2: I went through in those moments. Don't you think a
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  Speaker 2: jury would do the same thing.
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  Speaker 11: I absolutely do, Nancy, And what you said is a
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  Speaker 11: normal reaction to how a mother would feel if her
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  Speaker 11: child was missing. So you know, I don't know what
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  Speaker 11: this woman was feeling or wasn't feeling, but that note
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  Speaker 11: that she wrote says that she.
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  Speaker 6: Missed him and wanted everybody.
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  Speaker 11: To go search for him. So with that in mind,
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  Speaker 11: maybe the jewry will actually think she had some remorners.
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  Speaker 11: But we'll have to find out and see what happens there.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask a troaper, Matt Gayheart Trouper again,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. What was the reaction
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  Speaker 2: amongst your people, super Gayheart when it was discovered that Jaden.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't really let myself think about it because as
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  Speaker 2: a mom, you tend to put yourself in those shoes,
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  Speaker 2: and the thought of one of my children being in
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  Speaker 2: a shallow grave is just too much. But I'm wondering
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  Speaker 2: about the troopers and the volunteers that find him, that
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  Speaker 2: find his little body. It had to be like a
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  Speaker 2: gut punch, a kicked to the teeth after all you
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  Speaker 2: guys had been through. I mean, you did it, all
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  Speaker 2: the drones, the dogs, the bodies of water, the shoulder
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  Speaker 2: to shoulder searches for him, and then it comes to this.
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  Speaker 6: What was the reaction amongst the troopers?
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  Speaker 8: Nice is the only way that I can describe It
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  Speaker 8: is just pure, just gut rich and devastation. Like I said,
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  Speaker 8: you know, we keep so much hope alive in the search,
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  Speaker 8: and we're doing all these things trying to bring him
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  Speaker 8: home safely, and when you see the ending is just
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  Speaker 8: absolutely tragic. It is a father of young children, and
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  Speaker 8: majority of our guys have young children. It's just such
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  Speaker 8: a hard situation to do. But you have to put
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  Speaker 8: that aside and try to maintain professionalism and make sure
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  Speaker 8: that we do a thorough investigation that may make sure
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  Speaker 8: that we bring justice to Jaden.
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  Speaker 2: You know, another thing powers the defense attorney such as
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  Speaker 2: yourself is going to have to deal with is the
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  Speaker 2: fact of how many days, how many hours? You know,
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  Speaker 2: I would break it down today's to hours to minutes.
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  Speaker 2: How long mommy sat on her rear end when she
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  Speaker 2: wasn't singing. I came in like a wrecking ball on video.
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  Speaker 2: How long she sat still and said nothing. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to put it to you like it is powers and
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  Speaker 2: let her child's body decompose in the dirt.
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  Speaker 1: How long she sat there?
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  Speaker 2: What did she have coffee in the morning? Did she
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  Speaker 2: watch the morning shows? Did she kick back and watch
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  Speaker 2: the Little Real Housewives? I would really be interested. She
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  Speaker 2: rented a movie.
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  Speaker 6: While everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: That's a fun thing for you to do, Trooper, is
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  Speaker 2: to find out what she was doing while everyone else
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  Speaker 2: was searching.
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  Speaker 6: For her child. Did she order Uber eats her door dash?
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  Speaker 6: Did she online shop?
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  Speaker 2: What was she doing while you, Trooper, were out looking
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  Speaker 2: for her child, and more so knowing that with each
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  Speaker 2: minute that passed, her baby's body was decomposing in the dirt,
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  Speaker 2: unprotected from the element.
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  Speaker 6: You ever thought about that?
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about tracing her activities while you
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  Speaker 2: were out sweating bullets away from your family looking for
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  Speaker 2: him this sweet little boy.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, all that stuff has been taken into consideration, and
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  Speaker 8: you know her movements. We're being washed and tracked and
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  Speaker 8: that's all part of the investigation and we hope to
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  Speaker 8: be able to answer that in the future.
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  Speaker 6: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: In the last hours, we learned that after begging, begging,
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  Speaker 2: the public, to help find her child. Mommy sat in
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  Speaker 2: her house as her child decomposed, knowing he was buried
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  Speaker 2: in a shallow grave. And if you can imagine it,
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  Speaker 2: it gets worse. We are now hearing allegations she coached
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  Speaker 2: her other children to lie about what happened. But when
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  Speaker 2: police arrive at the scene, they immediately start the search.
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  Speaker 8: Listen up born unitsils saying they immediately began a search
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  Speaker 8: of the immediate area, followed by a larger scale search
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  Speaker 8: that's been followed out in conjunction with the Breath County
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  Speaker 8: Merchant Management along with multiple search and risk of teams
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  Speaker 8: from Fox fifty six.
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  Speaker 3: As detectives searched the woods and fields around his home,
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  Speaker 3: Jade's mother issues a public statement begging for her son's
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  Speaker 3: safe return while hiding a secret she thought would never
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  Speaker 3: be uncovered.
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  Speaker 2: In the last hours, we're learning a lot as we
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  Speaker 2: go to air tonight. Tell me Sidney Sumner was mommy
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  Speaker 2: spotted at McDonald's.
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  Speaker 6: According to Facebook posts from some very.
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  Speaker 5: Angry locals who spent their time volunteering who are familiar
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  Speaker 5: with this family, she was spotted at McDonald's grabbing food
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  Speaker 5: while others.
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  Speaker 6: Were out in the heat in.
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  Speaker 5: The wilderness, dealing with the bugs, going through very thick wood.
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  Speaker 5: It is areas looking for any sign of Jaden. I
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  Speaker 5: mean people were looking through piles of garbage for any
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  Speaker 5: clue of any sign of this missing little boy. And
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  Speaker 5: she's stuffing her face with a burger. Okay, you know
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  Speaker 5: what that's bringing out? The horrible specter.
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  Speaker 2: He's raising his head like a monster. Scott Peterson, remember
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  Speaker 2: remember this, Sydney Sumner. You and I covered this together.
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  Speaker 2: We about fell out when a detective told us. And
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  Speaker 2: this was recent because it did not come in at
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  Speaker 2: Lacey's murder trial, Lacey and Connor's. We were talking to
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  Speaker 2: I think it was Brokeeni, you and I and he
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  Speaker 2: said that when Scott Peterson was told, we just got
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  Speaker 2: the DNA results from the two bodies that washed up
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  Speaker 2: on San Francisco Bay and it is Lacey and Connor.
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  Speaker 2: Within five minutes, within five minutes, Scott Peterson asked if
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  Speaker 2: he could stop it in and out for a double
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  Speaker 2: double with cheese, a large fry, and some kind of
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  Speaker 2: a frosty drink. He just got told your wife and
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  Speaker 2: child are dead. Those are their bodies, and he wanted
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  Speaker 2: a double double whatever that is so obviously it did
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  Speaker 2: not affect Mommy's appetite. Another thing Sidney summer, and again
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  Speaker 2: I'm projecting in doctor Sue Cornblue's gonna have a field
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  Speaker 2: day with this. After my fiance was murdered, I remember losing.
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  Speaker 6: Down to eighty nine pounds.
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  Speaker 2: The thought of food nauseated me, and I can still
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  Speaker 2: remember the first thing I consumed. I was staying at
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  Speaker 2: my mom and Dad said, and went into the fridge
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  Speaker 2: and drank some orange juice. I remember that moment that
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  Speaker 2: I finally wanted to drink something. Now tell me again,
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  Speaker 2: how did we find out? You actually found out? How
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  Speaker 2: did you find out? Mommy is chowing down and McDonald's
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  Speaker 2: while her son is missing and she knows he's in
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  Speaker 2: a shallow, gray, decomposing Jackson.
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  Speaker 5: Locals who know this family, who are familiar with Jaden
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  Speaker 5: from school, who have seen Felicia Gross around town are angry.
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  Speaker 6: They are up.
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  Speaker 5: And they are posting about all of the things that
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  Speaker 5: she did and didn't.
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  Speaker 6: Do during the search for her missing son.
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  Speaker 5: So someone said, oh, I saw her at McDonald's getting
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  Speaker 5: food while.
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  Speaker 6: Other people are out looking for her kid. So people are.
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  Speaker 5: Not happy about this situation and that she blatantly lied
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  Speaker 5: and led people to believe there was hope to bring
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  Speaker 5: Jaden home safely.
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  Speaker 2: Well, another thing, taking Gayheart and all of his people
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  Speaker 2: away from their families to look for her son the night,
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  Speaker 2: through the elements, walking shoulder to shoulder, coming up with
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  Speaker 2: everything they could. While she's said, McDonald's been powers. Now,
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  Speaker 2: what were you saying about how people react? There's no
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  Speaker 2: playbook for grief blood blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: And now mommy spotted with a big mac chowing down.
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  Speaker 10: I mean yeah, I mean that's still you gotta eat.
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  Speaker 9: You can't just stop eating completely, So I mean I
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  Speaker 9: can see how that can be spunny.
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  Speaker 10: I mean the same is true. I mean you have
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  Speaker 10: to eat. I mean she's got to keep living. I
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  Speaker 10: mean that doesn't mean anything.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: That nasty wet hay, and you spun it out into gold.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: Rumble Stiltskin.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Greece, doctor Sue Cornblueth. We clearly
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: need a shrink. Okay, if mommy has taken to her
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: bed and can't even get out of bed because of grief,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I can understand that. But mommy chowing down at McDonald's
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: on a MacNeil.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: That ain't gonna play with a jury.
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: Doctor. This is infuriating.
• 21:23
  Speaker 11: Okay, she's out having a big mac or whatever while
• 21:27
  Speaker 11: her child is missing. You know, Nancy, this is screaming
• 21:31
  Speaker 11: to me.
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: Liar liar. And I don't know what is going on here,
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: if it's a mental illness or what.
• 21:37
  Speaker 11: But I'm thinking about Canthany right now, and not in
• 21:40
  Speaker 11: a great way. That's some of the same stuff is
• 21:43
  Speaker 11: going on here, you know. To me, Nancy, seems like
• 21:46
  Speaker 11: it's a mother doesn't want her child.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Oh you just said something really really smart, doctor, Sue,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: you just touched You just stepped on a landmine.
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: Because I've got some news for you.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: But I want to first hold on a where I
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: lose this thought Trooper, Matt Gaheart joining us trouper. I'm
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: sure you love it when people give you suggestions for
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: your investigation. Why don't you and then they fill in
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the blank, see a psychic consultantarot cars, blah blak.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: It goes on forever.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna go out on
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: a limb.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I wish you guys would pull the McDonald's video and
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: just watch her demeanor. Maybe at the drive through was
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: she happy and cherry. What did she order?
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: Did she start eating.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Right then when she got in the food before she
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: could even get on the street.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: Did she go in?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I hope she goes in so I could watch in
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: detail mommy chowing down while you're out looking for her son,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: which she knows his remains are in a shallow gray.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: So we've got the McDonald's videotape. I'm happy to get
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: it for you. I don't know how I'm gonna do it,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: but I bet I could and her HBO, Showtime, Netflix,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Amazon usage while you're out searching. You know, she was
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: holed up in her room with Acon Chowandow on McDonald's
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: watching pay per view, and I want to find out
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: every single thing she wants. Just a thought, I got
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: some more news for you, Sidney Sumner. Doctor Sue Cornblooth
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: just said something really interesting.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: She didn't want a child.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, can you enlighten us about what you found out
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: about who was raising him up until three months ago.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: Well, we don't know much, but we do know that
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Jaden's grandmother was really his primary caretaker, and we don't
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: know much else about the home situation. Felicia Gross is
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: married to Josh Gross, and that is Jaden's stepdad. We
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: don't know much about Jaden's biological father, but it seems
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: that his grandmother was his primary caretaker.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: And there's also.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Siblings in this family, maybe half siblings, maybe for siblings.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: So it's unclear if Jaden ever really saw his mom
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: on a regular basis before his grandmother passed away.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Now isn't that quite the coincidence? Trooper Gayheart, another brick
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: in the wall, I'd be on that like White on Rice.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: So grandma is raising the boy just ten years old,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: he's still a baby. Mommy gets him and three months
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: later he's in a shallow grave dead, so obviously she
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: did not want him. She gets him back and then bam,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: he's dead. Sid did the grandma pass away?
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: Actually just recently? And Felicia Gross also two years in jail,
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: so two years of Jaden's life. She was actually behind
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: bars on different charges, all child endangerment and then later
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: drug and wet in charges.
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: Strooper matt a Gayheart. I mean, the.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Grandma is clearly in feeling health and she gives Jaden
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: back to mom and within three months he's dead. I mean,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: can you imagine the life he led before Grandma took him.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, my grandmother, Lucy, who would named my daughter after,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: helped raise us while my parents worked, and those were.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: It was amazing. I mean, dirt poor.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: But so much love, and that's what he had with
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: his grandma. Then she starts going downhill and dies, but
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: she gives the boy to mommy, and now he's dead.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, just the heartbreak of that. I mean, do
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: you ever just sit in your car and cry and
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: just like, oh, how it could have been so easily avoidable,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't.
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: I hate to sit and think about I'm just such
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: a senseless killing and such an innocent child losing his
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: life for no reason at all other than the fact
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: that you don't want to take responsibility and raise your child.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: Day two of the search for ten year old Jada
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: includes an extensive search of his home and the area
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: is surrounding his home Kentucky State Police using aircraft, drones, canines,
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: and sonar. The area of searched is in the eastern
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: part of Kentucky, about an hour and a half southeast
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: of Lexington, in the community of Jackson in Breathitt County.
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: So we've utilized resources from KSPR draft. We've used drones
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: from multiple different sources. We've also used canines and people
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: walking all foot through the eels searching for any top
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: of clues or evidence where somebody may have been. We've
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: also used solar to check waterways in close proximity to
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: that is that spoil. We've also used flear, which is
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: a great technology search for missing.
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: People from our friends ed wk YT.
• 27:09
  Speaker 12: The area surrounding the home and areas he is most familiar,
• 27:12
  Speaker 12: searched by the best resources available. Now, the family of
• 27:15
  Speaker 12: Jaden's raising money for a reward to help bring the
• 27:18
  Speaker 12: boy home. Jaden's and Samantha Bunty launched to go fundme
• 27:21
  Speaker 12: campaign to raise for cash reward. Priest father Jim Sichko
• 27:25
  Speaker 12: is also offering a reward for the safe return of Jaden.
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: Unfortunately, we've not been able to locate a lot of
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: evidence suggests that he would be close by O Soul. Unfortunately,
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: we're kind of the same same support we were when
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: we started the search.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: For our friends Fox fifty six and joining us is
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: that trooper helped leading the search, Trooper Matt Gayheart. I'm
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: going to go to Thomas, doctor Thomas Coin in just
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: a moment. But first Trooper Gayheart what raising money to
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: find Jaden, and Mommy just sits on our thumb while
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: money is being raised to help find Jada.
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: And you've even got the.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Priest father Jim offering his own money as a reward
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: for information, and Mommy sits there munching a burger.
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: Seriously, Yeah, you.
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: Know, we tried literally everything to get information in this investigation.
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: It turned to us right quickly that what we were
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: doing wasn't going to work. So the community together and
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: try to get some punts together to get somebody to
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: come forward with some information that would lead us to Jaden.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I would put my two eyes on that money because
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: if that money goes in mommy's pocket, oh yeah, all
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: htal going to break loose. In this studio, guys, listen
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: to the heartbreak that some of the troopers were going through.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: As stated by our guest, Listen, you think about.
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: A ten year old chick who is if he wanted it,
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: away from the residents and is by himself walking through
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: the forest. He's gotten old resources with them, so you're
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: racing against the clock as far as getting him home safely.
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: We must continue, hope, but unfortunately at this point where
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: we're at an investigation, it's a race against the clock.
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: We're essentially at kind of our last leg. We need
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: to do how we relocate him immediately.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: That's sound from our friends at Fox fifty six. It
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: really struck me as you're out there literally beating the bushes.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: You use the dogs, you used radar, you did everything
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: you could, you organize search after search after search, and
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: you were talking at one point how you were thinking
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: about a ten year old child who's wandered away and
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: is alone in this forest. He's gotten nothing with him,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: maybe not even shoes, nothing to drink, nothing to eat.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Tell me about the terrain you search, Trooper Gayheart.
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: Majority of that area is very steep, very rugged terrain.
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: It's very overgrown with dense vegetation. Soul for searchers, it
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: was really difficult to traverse that terrain. I can't imagine
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: a ten year old being able to just run them
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: up through it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Ten years old, ten years old out in that rough
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Kentucky terrain. When, if at all, did it go through
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: your mind, Trooper that he did not wander away.
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: We started having speculations around the second day of the search,
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: which was the first full day of having all of
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: our search and rescue crews out there about that time,
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: where we wouldn't find any evidence suggesting that anybody was
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: out there. So at that time we started thinking, maybe
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: we're looking at a situation where we're chasing our tails here.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Regardless of the mom there were two aunties that raised
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: the red flag.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Listen, there's some stuff.
• 31:08
  Speaker 10: That just doesn't ad a in this case.
• 31:11
  Speaker 13: And as two aunts and mothers, we've.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: Questioned a lot of the information.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Ourselves, friends, neighbors, even politicians helping search.
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: For ten year old Jaden.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: In a nightmare, two of Jaden's aunts, questioning information police
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: were told Jaden went to bed Tuesday night but was
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: missing Wednesday morning. Aunts Chai Sellers and Samantha Bunty say
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of the info doesn't add up. Jaden would
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: never venture out in the dark and climb the rugged
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: terrain surrounding his home.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: Yes, who would?
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: And you know another thing that's interesting, and we've seen
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: this in other cases Sydney summer.
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: Oh.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: By the way, that original sound was from our friends
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: at WSMV four Sidney. We've seen this in other cases
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: where children allegedly wandered out at night and all their
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: shoes were still in the home and the only thing
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: missing would be them and the piece days that they
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: were wearing the night before. So you've got to believe
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: this child would go out in the middle of the
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: night without shoes, not wearing any clothes, and wander so
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: far away from home, didn't wake up any dogs, nothing
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: like that, didn't set off a burglar alarm, nothing, and
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: gets lost in the middle of the night.
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: That's what we were supposed to believe. I mean, at
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: stuck time, haven't at the get go. It just doesn't
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: make sense.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: His aunts say that Jaden was terrified of bugs, and
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: bugs are especially worse in the summertime. So for them
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: to say, to be told that Jayden wandered out of
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: the house in the middle of the night in the heat,
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: with all of the bugs that he's terrified of, they
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: immediately knew that something wasn't right. And for Jaden to
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: have not woken any of his siblings when he left
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: in the overnight hours or in the morning, and this
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: was a long period of time that nobody saw him.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: Nine o'clock at night to nine am in the morning.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: That's a long time for a child whose age to
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: sleep uninterrupted without making a keep. So I think people
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: were very suspicious of mommy's story from the very beginning.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: You know, to Trooper Matt Gayheart, what was mommy's story
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: at the get go?
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: Did she ever mention, you know, I just don't see
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: him going out in that terrain.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: He hates bugs and mosquitoes, He wouldn't do it. Did
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: she ever say anything like that? And then the Aunties
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: raise the alarm that this was just didn't make any sense.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: What was her original story?
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: Trooper reported that while they were sleeping at the Fowell
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: family went to better just shortly after nine pm. At
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: some point during the night into the early morning hours,
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: Jaden had left the residence that was now missing. They
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: didn't check on that job until just a little after
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: nine am the following morning, so you have a twelve
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: hour gap there that we're trying to pin down exactly
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: maybe when this child left the residence.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: So her story was he goes to sleep and she
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: wakes him up, goes to wake him up at nine am,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: and he's not in his bed.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: That's the story, right, that's correct.
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Another fun thing for the troopers to do would be
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: to go in the home and see if any shoes
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: were taken. Actually, you don't need to do that because
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: you know how his body was found. What was he
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: wearing Trooper when his body was found?
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: That information we do don't though, just as part of
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: the investigation. A lot of that stuff it looked into.
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: That's taken to the Medical Exander's office for analysis. So
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: that's stuff we'll be able to answer a little further
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: down in an investigation.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: You know doctor Sue, doctor Sue at Cornbluoth joining us
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: family Expert. You can find her at doctor Sue and
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: you dot com. See that's something a mom would know
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: or should know. For instance, mosquitos never my son. They
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: always bite my daughter always, and when she goes outside.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: That's something she and I think about.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: She would never do this, She would never go out
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: that way and get eaten up by mosquitoes. I'm just
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I'm just thinking why it had to be the Aunties
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: that put this out there, that the story doesn't add up,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: that he would never do this and not the mom.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: And I know Ben Powers is going to say, that's
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: not hard direct evidence such as DNA or fingerprint, but
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: it's circumstantial evidence, very strong circumstantial evidence to me.
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: To me, this is a mom that doesn't know our
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: child at all. Look, Nancy, you know what's screaming at
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: me right now. One she was in jail for a
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: year for child endangerment. So we cannot just throw.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: That out like that never happened.
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: You know, I don't know what happened, but to me,
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: it seems like she has the possibility of abusing her children.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: I want to say.
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: One thing here that a lot of people don't know
• 36:01
  Speaker 11: this term, but it's called unwanted child fill aside.
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: And what that means is that you do not want your.
• 36:09
  Speaker 11: Child, and you want to go off and have a
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: life of freedom, and you see your child as an object,
• 36:17
  Speaker 11: not as a human being. And I'm just thinking to myself,
• 36:21
  Speaker 11: this is probably what is going on right here. This
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: is a mother that had a lot of problems, probably
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: didn't want to be a parent. He was acting out
• 36:30
  Speaker 11: and she is at it, and perhaps she said I'm
• 36:33
  Speaker 11: just going to discard him now.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Then a new lead emerges, Tector's responding to the location
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: and initiated a search.
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: Shortly thereafter, approximately three pu the remainings of Jaden's sponsor
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: were discovered buried at the set.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: The brother.
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: Kuncorn's office responded and pronounce the child deceased. The remains
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: will be transported to the Medical Examiner's Office of Frankfort
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: for an autopsy. This insident has now transitioned from a
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: missing person investigation into an active and ongoing criminal investigation.
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: Is our top priority to protect the integrity of this
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: investigation and seek justice for Jacob.
• 37:14
  Speaker 14: Yes, my love, that there is a lady you come
• 37:16
  Speaker 14: up our door and she's some guy that jumping into
• 37:20
  Speaker 14: a red light of her car, put her two kids
• 37:23
  Speaker 14: in it, and he took off and he got out
• 37:25
  Speaker 14: of the car here at Ohio and he's got a head, Yes,
• 37:27
  Speaker 14: ma'am at her call, and I don't hear ripercle and
• 37:30
  Speaker 14: I I need to come along getting down here, and
• 37:33
  Speaker 14: a car is but we need to have the we
• 37:36
  Speaker 14: can of acting up.
• 37:39
  Speaker 11: A modal protege.
• 37:40
  Speaker 14: What color was it? A burgundy mignal protege.
• 37:44
  Speaker 10: We don't get him going pay him.
• 37:46
  Speaker 14: They got two keys.
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: I'll hoold to whoever has my children that they please,
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: I mean, please bring them home to us.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Save it.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Susan Smith, use that in your next appeal to get
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: out from behind bars. That's from our friends at wyff Wow,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: an eerie similarity. While that mommy knows her sons are
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: at the bottom of a lake in her car, belted
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: in their seat belts by her, she's begging for the
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: public to help find them and actually blames some mythic
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: guy that comes up and carjacks them. But she's not
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: the only parent who kills their child and then begs
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: for people like Trooper Matt Gayheart to go find them.
• 38:40
  Speaker 15: Listen, Bella, Celeste, if you're out there, just just come back.
• 38:46
  Speaker 15: Like if somebody has her, just please bring her back.
• 38:49
  Speaker 15: I need to see everybody. I need to see everybody again.
• 38:52
  Speaker 15: This house is not complete without anybody here.
• 38:58
  Speaker 13: Daddy, you're well.
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: He helped me grow up. He helped me so good too.
• 39:09
  Speaker 13: He leaves me with time Nations, Great daddy, Daddy.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: And love you from our friends.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: At den verse seven, of course, that is the devil
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Chris Watts, and he says, I need to see everybody again.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Well you're not because they're in heaven and that is
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: not where you're going, Watts. No, you're gonna be literally
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: on the hot seat having supper with Satan. He murdered
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: his wife, Shenan Watts. He murdered Bella and Celeste, his
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: little children, and forced their bodies into openings in oil
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: tankers at Darko oil fills. And the containers were about
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: that wide at the top, and he shoved their bodies down,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: ripping the skin off the baby's arms. The wife, Shenan,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: was pregnant. She was buried in a shallow grave and
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: severed coffin birth. She delivered baby Nico in the grave
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: post mortem.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, listen to this.
• 40:34
  Speaker 16: Oh my daughter Fayer, I need to find her.
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where.
• 40:42
  Speaker 16: You turd of took her month ago. To that my
• 40:44
  Speaker 16: daughter's been looking for I told you my daughter was
• 40:46
  Speaker 16: missing four months. I just found her today that I
• 40:48
  Speaker 16: can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me she's
• 40:52
  Speaker 16: been trying to find her herself. There's something wrong.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I found my daughter's.
• 40:57
  Speaker 16: Carts were day and then sent a dead body.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, what is the three year old's name?
• 41:02
  Speaker 16: Kayley?
• 41:03
  Speaker 14: C A y l E E.
• 41:05
  Speaker 16: Anthony.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: That, like the current case, was the loving grandmother Cindy Anthony.
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: She and husband.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: George had been taking care of Kelley all along, while
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: top mom Casey Anthony sat on the sofa and eight
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: chips watching TV, pretending she had a job, even going
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: so far as to wear the uniform from Universal. I mean,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: but here is taught mom herself on the phone asking
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: for help to find her.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Daughter that prosecutors say she killed.
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: Listen, you last saw.
• 41:38
  Speaker 16: Her a month ago forty one?
• 41:40
  Speaker 14: Dy from one? Who have her?
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: Do you a name?
• 41:47
  Speaker 16: Her name is Ravas Fernando's due wallis who is that?
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Maybe?
• 41:53
  Speaker 16: She has been my nanny for.
• 41:55
  Speaker 14: Suty year and almost two years?
• 41:57
  Speaker 16: Why why are you calling now? Why didn't you call
• 41:59
  Speaker 16: three one day? As I've been looking for her and
• 42:02
  Speaker 16: has gone through other resources to try to find her.
• 42:05
  Speaker 10: So tr're stupid?
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: No, she wasn't.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: She was slung up at her boyfriend's place, living with
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: him in his roommates. That's sexy, that said All the while,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Kelly's body was decomposing, as were Bella and Celeste, as
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: were Susan Smith's Little Boys.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: To Dodger.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Thomas Coin, renowned chief Medical Examiner District to Medical Examiner's Office,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: State of Florida. Never a lack of business in Florida.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: A forensic pathologist, toxicologist, and euro pathologist. Doctor con Mommy
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: has said, Trooper, what did she say that Jaden died of?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: What a medical emergency?
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: That's correct, from some sleeping medication.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: As she had given him a medical emergency caused by her.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, so translation, according to her.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: She owed ed him on some kind of a sleeping
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: formula like Benadriel.
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: I don't know what it is yet.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: So the medical emergency that we know of right now
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: is mommy IND's, doctor Thomas Coin. You know, when children
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: pass out or they are not waking up after they've
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: had too many mans, typically parents call nine one one. Okay,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: We've seen this claim before at trial top mom Casey
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Anthony claimed that Keilly died in the pool, but instead
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: of calling the ambulance or having a funeral, she was
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: just put in black plastic trash bags and thrown in swamp. Okay,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: see that is just screams lie, doctor Thomas Coin, I
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: need you and I need you now. How since his
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: body has been decomposing, will we be able to get
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: a cod cause of TAM sure, hope.
• 44:16
  Speaker 17: So it depends upon the amount of decomposition. So I'm
• 44:20
  Speaker 17: assuming that since he was identified at the time the
• 44:23
  Speaker 17: body was recovered, that hopefully he has not decomposed enough
• 44:29
  Speaker 17: to still have tissue present.
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: The number one may allow.
• 44:31
  Speaker 17: You to see if he had any trauma, you know,
• 44:33
  Speaker 17: if he was asphyxiated or beaten, stab what have you.
• 44:37
  Speaker 17: But more importantly, with regards to toxicology, enough tissue left
• 44:41
  Speaker 17: to test for various substances, so you can test if
• 44:45
  Speaker 17: there's any blood or bodily fluids. You can certainly use that,
• 44:50
  Speaker 17: but we can also go to tissue, and we certainly
• 44:52
  Speaker 17: have hopefully tissue president that would allow us to find
• 44:56
  Speaker 17: those answers.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Coin, I didn't want to interrupt. I didn't
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: want to the words you said, but could you please
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: break it down? When you say get tissue? What does
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: that mean? A fingernail, a toenail, hair, Is it blood?
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: Is it urine? And how do you get it? Is
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: it skin?
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: What do you mean by tissue? Do you go in it,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: stuck out a part of the liver sale? What does
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: that mean? And how do you do it? And you
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: also said, I know this is a compound question disallowed
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: in court, but I think you can handle it. What
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: do you mean by determining if he was asphyxiated or
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: literature strangled or bludgeon. How do you look at the
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: body and tell that's what happened.
• 45:35
  Speaker 17: So let's assume this is a normal body who just
• 45:37
  Speaker 17: died recently. So you're going to begin with an external
• 45:40
  Speaker 17: examination looking at their body from head to toe, looking
• 45:43
  Speaker 17: for signs of injury, so bruising, sad marks, lacerations, any
• 45:48
  Speaker 17: particular injury. After the external examination is done, we proceed
• 45:52
  Speaker 17: inward and we look at all of the body cavities,
• 45:54
  Speaker 17: including with inside the skull, examine the brain, examine all
• 45:58
  Speaker 17: of the organs internally, the tissues after they're reflected, and
• 46:01
  Speaker 17: that allows us to see what injuries may be present.
• 46:04
  Speaker 17: So if a person was strangled, you may very well
• 46:06
  Speaker 17: see injuries on the neck, bruising on the outside of
• 46:08
  Speaker 17: the neck, abrasions, scratch marks. As we remove the skin
• 46:12
  Speaker 17: or reflect the skin backwards, you may see hemorrhaging in
• 46:15
  Speaker 17: the neck, muscles, fracturing of the cartilage or bones in
• 46:18
  Speaker 17: the neck, things that suggest that there were pressure applied
• 46:20
  Speaker 17: to the neck. You may also see soft signs like
• 46:23
  Speaker 17: particular hemorrhages in the face. But if the person was beaten,
• 46:28
  Speaker 17: you may see it fractures, bleeding within the head or
• 46:31
  Speaker 17: the brain itself. So those are the findings we look
• 46:34
  Speaker 17: for to identify injury. When a person is decomposed, it
• 46:37
  Speaker 17: gets much more difficult because as a tissue begins to
• 46:40
  Speaker 17: break down, fluids will travel throughout tissues. It's maybe hard
• 46:43
  Speaker 17: to identify an injury. Also, the injury may be gone,
• 46:47
  Speaker 17: so the person may have been stabbed and the area
• 46:50
  Speaker 17: that was stabbed, or a person was shot with the gun.
• 46:52
  Speaker 17: Let's say those tissues may be going simply due to decomposition,
• 46:56
  Speaker 17: but also due to scavenging activity from animals and insects.
• 47:00
  Speaker 17: With regards to toxicology, when we're doing the autopsy, we
• 47:03
  Speaker 17: can actually access the veins on the body using needles,
• 47:07
  Speaker 17: just like you wouldn't office setting to obtain blood. But
• 47:11
  Speaker 17: once we open the body, we have access to all
• 47:13
  Speaker 17: of their organs. We have access to the fluid and
• 47:15
  Speaker 17: the eye, We have access to the bile and the gallbladder,
• 47:19
  Speaker 17: and we can actually use the organ tissues themselves, for instance,
• 47:22
  Speaker 17: deliver the brain the kidney to also test for toxicology.
• 47:25
  Speaker 17: So that's what I mean by having access the tissue
• 47:28
  Speaker 17: and access to fluids, there's a lot of potential material
• 47:31
  Speaker 17: there that we can use to hopefully find that cause
• 47:33
  Speaker 17: of death.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Wow, now I know why you're the chief Medical Examiner
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: in District Team Medical Examiner's Office.
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: State of Florida. That was a lot.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: I was taking notes as quickly as I could, but
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: needless to say, now I know how you get the samples.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I know what you mean and in your experience, isn't
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: it true, doctor Coin? That very often if there is
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: a ligature strangling or even a manual strangulation, you can
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: look at the body with the naked eye and tell
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: that's what happened. You don't have to look at the
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: particuari in the eye. Of course, you follow up with
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: that to see if it was burst. But you can
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: look and see the damage around the neck. You can
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: see stab wounds, you can see lant force trauma. I'm
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: just curious, but you did squirts a little perfume on
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: the pig there when you said scavenger activity break it down?
• 48:29
  Speaker 17: Sure? So I mean the second you die. First of all,
• 48:33
  Speaker 17: we are full of bacteria internally within our sinuses, our mouth,
• 48:37
  Speaker 17: within our gullet. So the second you die in your
• 48:40
  Speaker 17: immune system is no longer active. Your bacteria will begin
• 48:43
  Speaker 17: to eat you. And if you're outside in the heat,
• 48:45
  Speaker 17: that bacteria will grow exponentially, So that's the first thing. Secondarily,
• 48:51
  Speaker 17: you have insects all around you in the environment, especially below.
• 48:55
  Speaker 17: Flies will land the pie deposit eggs. Those eggs will
• 48:59
  Speaker 17: hatch and we'll assume the bodily tissues and bodily fluids.
• 49:02
  Speaker 17: But also you have other scavengers and by that I
• 49:05
  Speaker 17: mean birds like vultures, or you have rodents. You have
• 49:09
  Speaker 17: other predators that maybe in the area that come upon
• 49:12
  Speaker 17: the body, smell the process of decomposition, the volatile organic substances,
• 49:18
  Speaker 17: even in a shallow grave, they'll be looking for that
• 49:21
  Speaker 17: and they may actually walk away with portions of the body.
• 49:24
  Speaker 17: Sometimes they walk away with the portion of the body
• 49:27
  Speaker 17: that allows you to determine the cause of death. And
• 49:29
  Speaker 17: so you hope those processes don't occur, and if they do,
• 49:33
  Speaker 17: it may make it difficult for you to determine how
• 49:35
  Speaker 17: that person died.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Mindpowers, vultures, rodents, rats taking parts of this boy's body.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: If they do not seek the DP, I will do
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: a backflip.
• 49:49
  Speaker 9: I mean, that's pretty aggressive to go to death penalty
• 49:52
  Speaker 9: based on what I mean.
• 49:56
  Speaker 10: What we have is a death that we don't know
• 49:59
  Speaker 10: the cause of death.
• 50:00
  Speaker 9: Yet you know she does have child endangerment in her
• 50:02
  Speaker 9: past that could be physical abuse, but it could be.
• 50:06
  Speaker 9: But she also has charges in her past for drugs
• 50:09
  Speaker 9: and having him around drugs and using drugs around the
• 50:11
  Speaker 9: child and this situation.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Please, are you about to say that she had a
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: drug habit and so I should feel sorry for her?
• 50:18
  Speaker 9: I know, well, her explanation so far is that she
• 50:22
  Speaker 9: gave sleeping medicine to her son. He may have gotten
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: into her drugs, or she may have given him a
• 50:27
  Speaker 9: drug she shouldn't have.
• 50:28
  Speaker 10: Had, freaked out and realized that's bad for her.
• 50:31
  Speaker 9: This is a bad situation, And so you're using everything
• 50:34
  Speaker 9: that happened after to try to say, oh, this is premeditated,
• 50:38
  Speaker 9: when really it could just be a panic reaction.
• 50:40
  Speaker 10: Plus there is a stepfather that we haven't been talking
• 50:42
  Speaker 10: about at all. I mean, I'm hard pressed.
• 50:45
  Speaker 9: To believe this mother alone in the dead of night,
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: drove twenty miles to the thick woods, dug a shallow grave,
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: and got home before anyone knew she was gone by herself.
• 50:56
  Speaker 10: I mean, there's a lot more to them.
• 50:57
  Speaker 18: So she worn't coach the children to lie hold on
• 51:00
  Speaker 18: Sidney Sumner, there may be witnesses, and I'm sure Gayheart
• 51:03
  Speaker 18: doesn't relish the idea of questioning and interrogating little children,
• 51:08
  Speaker 18: but that's his duty, whether.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: He likes it or not. Isn't it true that mommy
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: is also accused of tampering with witnesses, i e. The siblings,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: telling them to lie about what happened.
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, she is.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: She is charged with tampering with witnesses for coaching Jaden's
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: siblings on what to say to police about what happened
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: to him. So we don't know what they saw. We
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: don't know if they were in the car while she
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: made this trip, if Jaden was asleep next to them.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: In bed and didn't wake up.
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: We don't know what these children witnessed and what she
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: told them to not think about, or how she explained
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: this way to them.
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: I'm sure it's a nightmare.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: No matter what you say it, Sydney, coaching them, you
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: mean asking them to lie. That would be my argument
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: at trial, and I want to stress and I can't
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: stress it enough.
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: She is innocent.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Tonight as we go to air, she is innocent.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: It is the duty of the state to prove her
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Now, what be Empowers doesn't
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: want you to hear is the rest of that statement
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: to prove her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. She's presumed
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: innocent unless and until the state pierces the presumption of
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: innocence with proof. Trooper Gayheart, the thought of this boy
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: out there in the elements, and when I heard doctor
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: con talk about rodents, rats, vultures potentially taking pieces of
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: his body, it's you know, I think I would just
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: go jump off a cliff if I didn't have my twins.
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: To live for.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: About the meanness in the world. And you know we
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: earlier reported you got a tip that led.
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: You to this location? Who led you to the body?
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: So information that we received came from Mom herself. She
• 53:22
  Speaker 8: give us the location of where she had taken Jaden
• 53:26
  Speaker 8: and buried him.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, Trooper Gayheart is not revealing secret facts. We found
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: that out from other sources. So I'm sure of being
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Powers defense attorney will want Mammy to get a gold
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: star for leading to the body. Oh, that's not happening.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going to use that against her. How does she
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: know where the body was?
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I guess you're going to conjure up the stepfather and
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: say she was along for the ride.
• 53:54
  Speaker 9: She made very well then, I mean she made the
• 53:56
  Speaker 9: initial board with the public letter asking for help him.
• 54:01
  Speaker 9: You know, I know you made a big deal about
• 54:02
  Speaker 9: her going to McDonald's. But she does have the other children.
• 54:05
  Speaker 9: I mean, if she's coaching them to a lot, she's
• 54:07
  Speaker 9: got to feed them, and kids like McDonald's, and you
• 54:09
  Speaker 9: want to make a big deal about her, you know
• 54:11
  Speaker 9: movies that she rented, Well, if she's renting movies that
• 54:13
  Speaker 9: kids would watch.
• 54:14
  Speaker 10: That shows that she's taking care of the kids that
• 54:16
  Speaker 10: she has with her.
• 54:18
  Speaker 9: And so then she makes the ultimate report that leads
• 54:20
  Speaker 9: investigators to the exact site of this young boy, and
• 54:24
  Speaker 9: so that certainly has to raise questions of what was
• 54:28
  Speaker 9: her role, who else might be involved, what really happened here?
• 54:32
  Speaker 10: And I think a lot of.
• 54:33
  Speaker 9: That might be answered through what I'm sure investigators are doing,
• 54:37
  Speaker 9: which is getting search warts for phones for the home
• 54:40
  Speaker 9: and waiting on the forensics from the autopsy to come
• 54:42
  Speaker 9: back to maybe get a more clear story. And again
• 54:46
  Speaker 9: I have a hard time believing that she would have
• 54:48
  Speaker 9: done all this by herself without anyone knowing, you know.
• 54:53
  Speaker 9: And so there's a lot more to the story. But
• 54:55
  Speaker 9: she did make the initial report, and she made the
• 54:57
  Speaker 9: ultimate report that found her son. It sounds like in
• 55:01
  Speaker 9: between she was taking care of for other kids, and
• 55:03
  Speaker 9: so I think that certainly colors the picture in a
• 55:06
  Speaker 9: different way than you know, what you were saying about
• 55:09
  Speaker 9: the death penalty and things like that.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I think that's oh yeah, she was taking care of
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: her children in powers.
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: Hey, I'll give you a cheeseburger if you lie to
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: the cops. That works.
• 55:19
  Speaker 9: I can't really love that because there's a bigger story
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: to it with others involved.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: I'm only laughing because my alternative is to cry or
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: to just my head blow off. Right now, we are
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: now learning that earlier today, mommy makes a first appearance
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: in court.
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: What happened? Said?
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: Felicia Gross pleaded not guilty to all of the charges
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: against her.
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: So she appeared in court. She was read her rights
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: and her charges, and she said, I did not do
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: this and this will eventually go to a jury trial.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, you're seeing video from our friends at WK. Why
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Mommy in court saying what, I'm not guilty.
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: I had nothing to do with it.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Oh you know, I get asked online all the time,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: how can someone confess and then play not guilty.
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: You know what? That is the way our system works.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: That is how Ben Powers wins so many of his cases.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: The jury may never know that they confessed. They may
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: try to get a play deal to get the death
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: penalty off the table.
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: There are a million, There is a myriad.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Of legal loopholes. But Mommy just in court claiming not guilty.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: And that's her right because right now she's innocent. Just
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: wait and find out if a jury agrees with that.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: This case is ongoing. The Kentucky State Troopers, Trooper Gayheart,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: and many many others are still amassing evidence.
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: What happened before, during and after? What time was this
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: body taken to this remote location?
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Is their video from door cams, from red lights, from
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: businesses that mommy may have passed with.
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: The body in the car?
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Did she take her children? What about her current nav system?
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: What about her cell phone? What if anything did you
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: see hear or notice that tip line six zero six
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: four three five six zero six nine repeat six zero
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: six four three five six zero six nine. If you
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: want justice for Jaden, let your voice be heard and
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: we wait as justice unfolds.
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: But now we remember an American.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Hero officerje Lopez PELLAMPD, Alabama, killed in a line of
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: duty after fifteen years in LA law enforcement, leaving behind
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: a grieving wife, Katie, and two children, Abby and Eli.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: American Hero Officer Juan Lopez Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,