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Somewhere Among the Stars: Three Incredible Onboard UFO Encounters · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
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Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. Thank you
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Speaker 1: so much for joining me. I truly appreciate it. I'm
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Speaker 1: very excited about today's episode because I'm going to cover
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Speaker 1: one of my favorite aspects of ufology, and certainly one
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Speaker 1: of my most popular topics, which is, of course, onboard
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Speaker 1: UFO encounters. The title of today's episode is Somewhere Among
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Speaker 1: the Stars— three incredible onboard UFO encounters. These are the
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Speaker 1: cases that really dive to the very heart of the
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Speaker 1: UFO phenomena, and as I've said before, they're the most extensive,
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Speaker 1: I think they're the most fascinating, and they really have
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Speaker 1: the potential to answer the many questions surrounding extraterrestrial contact,
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Speaker 1: such as who these beings are, where they come from,
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Speaker 1: and why they are here. So the three cases today
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Speaker 1: are not well known at all, but are very extensive.
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Speaker 1: All are actually multiple witness cases to some extent. In
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Speaker 1: each of these cases, the witnesses were able to hold
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Speaker 1: long conversations with the ETs and were able to visit
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Speaker 1: multiple rooms inside these craft. So I think you'll find
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Speaker 1: them particularly fascinating. Let's get to it. The first encounter
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about today I call Time Does
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Speaker 1: Not Exist. the onboard UFO encounters of Arve Jacobson. He's
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Speaker 1: had multiple UFO events and at least two major onboard
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Speaker 1: UFO encounters, including one in 1970 and one in 1984
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Speaker 1: in Rasta, Lorenskog, Norway. So the first segment of this
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Speaker 1: I would like to call The First Encounter. And I
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Speaker 1: think you'll find this to be incredibly interesting. This case
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Speaker 1: comes from Norwegian researcher Rune Overby. The witness is Arve Jacobsen,
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Speaker 1: and again, his case is quite complex, involving a series
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Speaker 1: of encounters, including two apparent onboard UFO encounters. The first
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Speaker 1: occurred one night in November 1970. It was around 7 p.m.
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Speaker 1: when Arve saw two glowing objects appear and descend into
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Speaker 1: the forest about 150 feet away from his house in Rasta, Lorenskog, Norway.
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Speaker 1: One object stopped around 15 to 20 feet above the treetops,
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Speaker 1: while the other descended towards the ground among the trees,
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Speaker 1: stopping about 5 to 10 feet above the ground. Both
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Speaker 1: Arve and his mother watched from the window of their home. Suddenly,
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Speaker 1: a car came down the street, and as it approached
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Speaker 1: close to the UFOs, its engine promptly quit, and it
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Speaker 1: rolled to a stop. The object that was closest to
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Speaker 1: the ground now sent down a beam of light, apparently
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Speaker 1: lifting something up from the ground and pulling it into
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Speaker 1: the craft. After that, both craft immediately rose up and
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Speaker 1: darted away. Arve, after this encounter, did have the feeling
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Speaker 1: that the UFOs were there for him in some way
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Speaker 1: and that they would return in one week. He felt
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Speaker 1: sure about that, so after one week had passed, that
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Speaker 1: night he went outside, but nothing arrived. He went to bed,
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Speaker 1: but woke up just after midnight with a bad stomach ache.
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Speaker 1: So he went outside to go to the outhouse, but weirdly,
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Speaker 1: as he was walking there, his stomach ache mysteriously disappeared.
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Speaker 1: He was about to go back inside, when suddenly standing
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Speaker 1: in front of him was, quote, a strange man, silvery clothed,
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Speaker 1: with a helmet and visor. This being stood between the
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Speaker 1: garage and the house, its silver suit covered the entire body,
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Speaker 1: with no visible buttons, zippers, or fasteners anywhere. In fact,
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Speaker 1: the boots connected to the pants. There was no seams anywhere. Suddenly,
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Speaker 1: Arve heard a telepathic male voice speaking to him, saying,
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Speaker 1: Are you afraid of me? Arve replied, No, but can
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Speaker 1: I see your eyes? At this point, a weird sound
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Speaker 1: came from the man, and the visor immediately went up.
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Speaker 1: And I'll just quote Arve as he describes what happened next.
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Speaker 1: There was a faint buzzing sound and the visor went up.
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Speaker 1: I moved closer to his eyes. It was just like
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Speaker 1: I recognized him from when I was little. His eyes
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Speaker 1: were deep blue, like blue topaz, and they were bigger
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Speaker 1: than mine. My reaction was to put my arms around
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Speaker 1: him and we hugged each other. Then the visor went
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Speaker 1: down and he made a gesture for me to follow.
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Speaker 1: We walked towards the garden on the other side of
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Speaker 1: the house. The belt of light he had around his
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Speaker 1: waist grew more intense. Then a bright light came from above,
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Speaker 1: enveloping us both. I looked down at my feet and
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Speaker 1: noticed that the apple trees were getting smaller below me.
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Speaker 1: The light grew stronger, then disappeared completely, and we were
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Speaker 1: in the craft. Now, Arve describes the craft in familiar
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Speaker 1: terms that a lot of contactees use. As Arve says,
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Speaker 1: The room I was in was curved, no right angles. Floor, walls,
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Speaker 1: and ceiling were all the same material. Then the wall
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Speaker 1: opened up to the next room. There were no doors.
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Speaker 1: The material was intelligent and shaped itself as needed. We
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Speaker 1: entered the room where two others were sitting, a man
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Speaker 1: and a woman. The room was curved. Two thin columns
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Speaker 1: ran from floor to ceiling. The outer wall was partially transparent.
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Speaker 1: The man was sitting at a console with different colored
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Speaker 1: columns at different heights. There was an octagonal crystal there
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Speaker 1: that was flat on top, and many thin rays of
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Speaker 1: light came out of the crystal that formed a pattern
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Speaker 1: in the air. As a hobby geologist, I was curious
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Speaker 1: and wanted to touch the crystal. Then he made a
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Speaker 1: hand gesture and smiled. He told me that he controlled
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Speaker 1: the craft with his thoughts, that he transferred data to
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Speaker 1: the system with his thoughts. The woman sitting further away
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Speaker 1: was looking at a large screen with unfamiliar characters and images.
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Speaker 1: She turned to me, smiled, and said hello. I did
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Speaker 1: the same. It wasn't like being on a plane with
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Speaker 1: lots of buttons and switches and instruments. No, this was
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Speaker 1: advanced technology. Harvey was then taken to a room and
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Speaker 1: given a kind of medical examination. He said he was
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Speaker 1: made to lay on a glass-like table, told to lie
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Speaker 1: down on it, And as he did, it kind of
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Speaker 1: molded itself around him. As Harvey says, The man who
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Speaker 1: picked me up made a gesture and asked me to
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Speaker 1: lie on my back on a bench. He told me
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Speaker 1: he was going to check the cells in my body.
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Speaker 1: I did as I was told. He went to the
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Speaker 1: wall and got some kind of instrument. A light came
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Speaker 1: from the left side of the bench and went in
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Speaker 1: an arc around me. This lasted a short while. Then
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Speaker 1: the light went back to where it came from. He
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Speaker 1: then stood next to me. He had a crystal that
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Speaker 1: looked like an icicle in his hand. He said, Don't
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Speaker 1: be afraid. I just want you well. Then he put
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Speaker 1: the crystal on my right temple. I felt a pressure,
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Speaker 1: but it didn't hurt. After this, the experience became even
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Speaker 1: more interesting. As Harvey says, Then he went to the
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Speaker 1: wall again, touched something with his hand, and the outer
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Speaker 1: wall opened like the aperture of a camera. I could
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Speaker 1: see into space. It was a beautiful sight. He told
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Speaker 1: me about various things, including the use of hydrogen and
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Speaker 1: carbon atoms for positive purposes, electromagnetism, and other things. Then
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Speaker 1: the wall collapsed and he told me to get up.
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Speaker 1: We went back to the others. I was told to
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Speaker 1: sit down and suddenly a seating arrangement formed on the floor.
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Speaker 1: I sat down. He asked if I wanted something to drink.
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Speaker 1: I said yes, because I was thirsty. I was given
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Speaker 1: a large glass. I tasted it carefully. It was good
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Speaker 1: and tasted like strawberries with a little cinnamon. I drank
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Speaker 1: it all. I got very tired. He said, I'll see
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Speaker 1: you again when some time has passed. What you've experienced today,
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Speaker 1: you'll need when you get older. So that turned out
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Speaker 1: to be the end of the experience. Harvey does not
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Speaker 1: describe how he was returned, but he was deeply impressed
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Speaker 1: by his encounter. And after it happened to him, he
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Speaker 1: did share it with some others, some who believed him,
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Speaker 1: some who did not. As Harvey says, I'm quite sure
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Speaker 1: most people will think this is wild fantasy, made up,
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Speaker 1: and will not believe this, but I'm just a rational
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Speaker 1: and skeptical man myself. Now it would be 14 years
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Speaker 1: before he had an even more astonishing onboard encounter. Such
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Speaker 1: an amazing onboard encounter, which apparently for the witness was
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Speaker 1: entirely benevolent, In many ways, we see that it's quite
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Speaker 1: typical in that the witness was given a physical examination.
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Speaker 1: They imparted scientific knowledge. They showed him a field of stars.
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Speaker 1: That's one of the most common onboard UFO encounter experiences.
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Speaker 1: But also some really unique elements as well. I thought
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Speaker 1: it was particularly interesting that they gave him a drink.
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Speaker 1: We see that in a number of onboard UFO cases.
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Speaker 1: Also interesting was that he felt like he knew these beings.
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Speaker 1: So that is another thing that turns up, but it's
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Speaker 1: not super common. All right, now let's move to the
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Speaker 1: next segment, which I call the second encounter. Now this
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Speaker 1: is probably the biggest encounter of Arve's life. It's truly
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Speaker 1: astonishing because he was taken on board to what appears
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Speaker 1: to be a mothership. It was now November 1984 and
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Speaker 1: Arve was living in Lorenskog, Norway. He was married with children,
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Speaker 1: but at the time he was struggling with depression. As
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Speaker 1: he says, I was in a pretty bad place at
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Speaker 1: the time. Now, he believes this may have been a
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Speaker 1: factor as to why the ETs came for him again.
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Speaker 1: It was around 11 p.m., and Harvey's wife and children
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Speaker 1: were in bed asleep. Harvey was unwinding after a long
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Speaker 1: day and preparing to get ready for bed, and this
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Speaker 1: is when he heard a strange rustling sound coming from
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Speaker 1: the front doorstep. Now, even though the front door was
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Speaker 1: closed and locked, a strange figure came right through the
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Speaker 1: closed door. As Harvey says... Through the door came the
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Speaker 1: same fellow in the silvery clothes, the same guy I'd
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Speaker 1: met in 1970, with a visor over his eyes and
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Speaker 1: a glowing belt around his waist. I was incredibly bewildered.
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Speaker 1: He motioned me to come along. I thought about putting
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Speaker 1: on my jacket, but he signaled that it wasn't necessary.
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Speaker 1: We stepped out the door and headed towards the woods,
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Speaker 1: where the same light from before appeared, and we were
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Speaker 1: taken aboard. It was just like stepping into an elevator.
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Speaker 1: with gravity completely suspended. We entered a fairly large craft,
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Speaker 1: first into a round room and then moved out of
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Speaker 1: that and into a corridor. A short distance along, we
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Speaker 1: walked through the wall, which seemed to open and close.
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Speaker 1: We entered a room with furniture made of the same
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Speaker 1: material as the floor and ceiling. The room had a
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Speaker 1: metallic look, though the furniture was darker. It featured a table,
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Speaker 1: a bench along the wall, and windows. So Arve's guide
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Speaker 1: now spoke telepathically and said, Wait here. I will come
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Speaker 1: back for you later. And Arve was left alone in
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Speaker 1: the room. So he walked over to the bench, kneeled
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Speaker 1: down on it, and looked out, and the view was stunning.
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Speaker 1: As Arve says, I think astronauts would have been envious.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't dark or black, but full of colors. like
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Speaker 1: what we've seen in images from the Hubble telescope. After
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Speaker 1: some moments, Harvey's guide walked in, and he was carrying
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Speaker 1: a silver jumpsuit, just like the one he was wearing,
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Speaker 1: and he told Harvey, put this on. And as Harvey says,
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Speaker 1: it was a jumpsuit, or coveralls, but the kind you
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Speaker 1: step into, and then the suit does the rest of
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Speaker 1: the dressing itself. It fit as if it had been custom-tailored,
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Speaker 1: like intelligent material, grayish in color. So Arve is now
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Speaker 1: wearing the same metallic suit as his guide is, and
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Speaker 1: the man led Arve down a corridor to this very
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Speaker 1: strange moving walkway that appeared to be made of light.
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Speaker 1: It was making a low buzzing noise as they stood
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Speaker 1: on it, and his guide explained that this would transfer
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Speaker 1: them to a larger mothership. And as Arve says, When
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Speaker 1: we stepped into that light, it felt as if we
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Speaker 1: were standing still. while everything around us moved incredibly fast.
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Speaker 1: And then suddenly, everything stopped. We entered a huge hall
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Speaker 1: where the floor appeared to be made of stone. Now again,
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Speaker 1: Harvey is very interested in geology and gems, and he
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Speaker 1: was fascinated by this floor, because he said the stones
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Speaker 1: on the floor looked like some kind of black opal,
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Speaker 1: but had colors embedded into it. As he says, When
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Speaker 1: I stepped onto the floor, my feet didn't quite touch
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Speaker 1: the surface. It was like a magnetic force holding you
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Speaker 1: up on a cushion just above it, a few centimeters
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Speaker 1: above the floor. So when you walked, you sort of floated.
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Speaker 1: Now this was a vast room, but Arve was surprised
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Speaker 1: how quickly they were able to move from one side
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Speaker 1: to the other. This room opened up into a vast
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Speaker 1: park-like area with stepped-down terraces. Arve saw that there were plants, trees, flowers, fountains,
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Speaker 1: Off in the distance, he could see huge buildings shaped
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Speaker 1: like pyramids, but with flat tops. And all of this
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Speaker 1: was apparently within the mothership itself, which he believed must
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Speaker 1: have been at least 100 miles wide, though he really
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Speaker 1: had no idea. He was led to one of the
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Speaker 1: pyramid-like buildings and was told to stand there with his
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Speaker 1: arms and legs extended widely. And as Harvey says, a
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Speaker 1: humming sound began to emanate from the building. Suddenly... a
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Speaker 1: light appeared at the very top and unfurled, like a
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Speaker 1: peacock spreading its tail feathers. It was a multicolored light
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Speaker 1: with an intense white beam and colors that moved slowly
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Speaker 1: towards me and struck me right in the chest. So
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Speaker 1: when this beam of light hit Arve, he felt incredible
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Speaker 1: volumes of energy flowing into his body. And after this,
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Speaker 1: he went into an area and sat down. His guide
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Speaker 1: then placed a sort of metal headset or headband onto
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Speaker 1: his head Two other beings sat next to him, and
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Speaker 1: immediately Arve found himself sensing a completely new scene. It
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Speaker 1: felt to him like he was being transported to another planet.
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Speaker 1: It was, he believed, kind of like a virtual reality headset,
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Speaker 1: except far, far more advanced. Because he could see, he
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Speaker 1: could hear, smell, feel everything. He was shown a person
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Speaker 1: with an injured leg being healed using very advanced technology.
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Speaker 1: which he said was some ways similar to a crystal.
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Speaker 1: He actually watched the tissue on the leg materialize, and
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Speaker 1: the leg was healed in mere seconds. That was really
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Speaker 1: all they showed him. The headset was now removed, and
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Speaker 1: Harvey found himself back where he had been on the mothership.
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Speaker 1: He was then given a liquid which had a raspberry flavor.
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Speaker 1: He was taken back via another route to this same
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Speaker 1: hallway of light, which escorted him back to the smaller
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Speaker 1: craft in the same manner as he had arrived. At
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Speaker 1: this point, the encounter was about to come to an end.
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Speaker 1: The man, his guide, told him goodbye. They quickly embraced,
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Speaker 1: but before he left, the man had a message for Arve.
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Speaker 1: As the ET says, and I'm quoting the ET, I
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Speaker 1: will come back, though for us, time does not exist.
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Speaker 1: But for you, living in the slow-moving matter of this
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Speaker 1: little corner of the Milky Way... where everything moves rhythmically
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Speaker 1: within time, some time will pass. Still, we will drop
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Speaker 1: by now and then to show you symbols in the air,
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Speaker 1: and many remarkable things will happen to you in a
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Speaker 1: positive sense. So that was the message from the ETs
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Speaker 1: to Arve. Arve now found himself growing tired. He looked
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Speaker 1: out the window and saw stars outside. Then he laid
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Speaker 1: down on a bed in this room, and the next
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Speaker 1: thing he knew, He was back in his home. Now
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Speaker 1: his entire outlook on life was completely different. As Harvey says,
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Speaker 1: I remembered everything that had happened. Everyone around me at
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Speaker 1: home noticed how I had suddenly changed. I was no
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Speaker 1: longer the depressed, silent person who sat brooding in a corner,
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Speaker 1: but was once again the way I had been in
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Speaker 1: my younger, happier days. I think there's a lot to
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Speaker 1: take away from this kind of encounter. perhaps the most
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Speaker 1: important or interesting for me, I should say. I think
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Speaker 1: this onboard encounter shows how truly advanced the ETs are,
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Speaker 1: showing how advanced they are with medical technology, their ability
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Speaker 1: to transport people, not only up to the craft, but
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Speaker 1: through the craft, and this huge mothership. That is just fascinating.
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine the amount of technology and effort
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Speaker 1: that goes into building this, something like that. Another really
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Speaker 1: interesting aspect of the encounter is that it occurred at
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Speaker 1: a time when Arve really needed it. We see that
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Speaker 1: with a lot of onboard encounters. They occur when a
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Speaker 1: person is going through a tough time in their life
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Speaker 1: or something really special or cathartic. This might be a
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Speaker 1: death in the family or a birth or a marriage
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Speaker 1: or a divorce, a birthday, just something that affects a
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Speaker 1: person really profoundly. And as you can see, the aftermath
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Speaker 1: of the encounter was amazing because this lifted Arve's depression.
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Speaker 1: And this was something even his family noticed. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: a really incredible encounter all around. So that turned out
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Speaker 1: to be his last onboard encounter, but it certainly wasn't
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Speaker 1: his last visitation. So I call this next segment, Visited Again.
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Speaker 1: As promised, the ETs returned again. On September 28, 1991,
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Speaker 1: Arve was with a friend, when around 11.15 p.m. he
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Speaker 1: had a sudden strong impulse to step outside. No sooner
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Speaker 1: had he done so with his friend when they noticed
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Speaker 1: a glowing orb zooming towards them, which hovered about 150
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Speaker 1: feet above them. And then something very strange happened. As
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Speaker 1: Harvey says, The orb emitted seven red orbs that hung
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Speaker 1: suspended in the air before slowly drifting downward in unison.
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Speaker 1: At a height of about 20 meters above the ground,
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Speaker 1: there was a soft poof sound, and they transformed into
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Speaker 1: a mass of white threads that gradually dissolved before fully
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Speaker 1: reaching the ground. They were searing hot. The other person
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Speaker 1: found the experience frightening. The craft began to tilt as
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Speaker 1: if waving and moved slightly before vanishing in an instant.
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Speaker 1: Following this, Arve felt that this encounter physically transformed him
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Speaker 1: in some way, as if some kind of energy had
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Speaker 1: been transferred into him. In fact, the next day a
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Speaker 1: friend who was suffering from chronic asthma visited him and
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Speaker 1: and Arne felt this sudden impulse to hold his hands
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Speaker 1: toward the man, and he felt a sudden release of
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Speaker 1: energy coming from his hands and moving towards his friend.
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Speaker 1: Almost instantly, his friend felt a noticeable change, and very
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Speaker 1: quickly his asthma disappeared and never came back. Arve had
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Speaker 1: somehow healed him. There was a final encounter which occurred
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Speaker 1: one evening in 1994. Arve was taking out the garbage
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Speaker 1: early in the evening when he suddenly sensed a presence.
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Speaker 1: He now felt himself unable to move when a craft appeared,
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Speaker 1: moved overhead, and stopped about 60 feet above him. It
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Speaker 1: then moved in a weird infinity figure eight pattern while
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Speaker 1: at the same time sending down a purplish amethyst colored
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Speaker 1: energy which remained suspended in the air before dissipating. The
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Speaker 1: craft then moved off and that turned out to be
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Speaker 1: Arve's last encounter. Harvey came to believe that the ETs
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Speaker 1: he was in contact with originated in the Messier 13
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Speaker 1: globular cluster, which is composed of anywhere from several thousand
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Speaker 1: stars to over a million. This is in the constellation
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Speaker 1: of Hercules, located about 25,000 light years from Earth, but
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Speaker 1: still in the Milky Way. His encounters have affected him profoundly,
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Speaker 1: and as he says, I have gained a different perspective
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Speaker 1: on life. Truly an amazing series of events. And while
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Speaker 1: Arve was the only one taken on board, his mother
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Speaker 1: was a witness, his friend was a witness. Really interesting
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Speaker 1: that he developed healing ability, apparently, as a result of
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Speaker 1: his encounters and was able to heal someone of chronic asthma.
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Speaker 1: This is something we do see with a lot of contactees.
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Speaker 1: They believe that they have healing ability. So as you
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Speaker 1: can see, this encounter affected Arve really profoundly. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if he's had other encounters since then. It wouldn't
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Speaker 1: surprise me if he did. If he has, he has
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Speaker 1: not gone public. But God bless him for going public
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Speaker 1: and allowing his real name to be used. The vast
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Speaker 1: majority of contactees aren't ready for that, and I certainly understand.
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Speaker 1: But I think that's a really important encounter. So now
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Speaker 1: let's move to the next case. I call this next
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Speaker 1: one Somewhere Among the Stars. the onboard UFO encounters of Kay.
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Speaker 1: And yes, that's plural. This woman, who is anonymous, has
22:36
Speaker 1: had encounters her entire life, really starting from 1958 up
22:41
Speaker 1: until 1996. It took place in an unnamed town in
22:47
Speaker 1: rural Texas. But I think you'll find this case to
22:51
Speaker 1: be really illuminating, answer a lot of the questions of
22:55
Speaker 1: what it's like to have ET contact, and so forth.
23:00
Speaker 1: So I'm calling this first segment Early Encounters. Kay's encounters
23:05
Speaker 1: started as a very, very young child, which is certainly
23:09
Speaker 1: typical for people who have repeated encounters with extraterrestrials. This
23:14
Speaker 1: case comes from San Antonio, Texas-based researcher Constance Clear and
23:20
Speaker 1: was published in her amazing book, Reaching for Reality. The
23:25
Speaker 1: witness is known only by her first name, Kay, And
23:29
Speaker 1: in fact, it was Kay's experience that encouraged Constance Clear
23:32
Speaker 1: to write about extraterrestrial encounters. Kay had about 25 sessions
23:38
Speaker 1: with Constance Clear, only some of which involved the use
23:41
Speaker 1: of hypnotic regression to recall some of her encounters. Kay
23:46
Speaker 1: remembered many of them fully consciously. Now Kay's first memory
23:51
Speaker 1: of any encounter goes back to 1958 when she was
23:55
Speaker 1: only six months old. she distinctly recalled a short gray
23:59
Speaker 1: alien resting his hands on the railing of her crib
24:03
Speaker 1: looking down at her. And in hindsight, she believes the
24:06
Speaker 1: gray was checking in on her to see how she
24:08
Speaker 1: was developing. But her first onboard encounter that she remembers
24:12
Speaker 1: occurred around age six to eight. She says a gray
24:16
Speaker 1: appeared in her room and told her, Come with me.
24:20
Speaker 1: I'm going to take you to play on the ship.
24:23
Speaker 1: And as Kay says, My first thought was that it
24:27
Speaker 1: would be fun to go. As I stepped beside him,
24:30
Speaker 1: he put his right arm around me, and we floated
24:33
Speaker 1: off the floor. We were headed toward the window of
24:36
Speaker 1: the next room when my parents came out of their bedroom.
24:40
Speaker 1: My mother was screaming at my father not to let
24:42
Speaker 1: him take me. I looked back over my shoulder as
24:45
Speaker 1: he did something that froze my parents. They were like statues.
24:50
Speaker 1: He told me they would be fine and not to
24:52
Speaker 1: worry about them. So the next thing Kay knew, she
24:55
Speaker 1: saw her house and the trees receding below her. And
24:59
Speaker 1: looking up, she could see that they were entering through
25:01
Speaker 1: the bottom of a dark craft. She was immediately taken
25:06
Speaker 1: to a room and put in a chair in front
25:08
Speaker 1: of a computer-like screen. And the Grey told her it
25:11
Speaker 1: was an aptitude test and to think of it as
25:14
Speaker 1: a game. After this, she was led down a corridor
25:17
Speaker 1: into another room. In the center of this room was
25:20
Speaker 1: a circular railing, and inside this circular railing section was
25:25
Speaker 1: what appeared to be a sort of prism, like two
25:28
Speaker 1: pyramids placed end to end. It was floating in the
25:32
Speaker 1: air and spinning in place, sending out a myriad of
25:35
Speaker 1: rainbow colors. As Kay says, he didn't tell me what
25:39
Speaker 1: it was. He continued talking, saying that he wanted me
25:43
Speaker 1: to know where I came from. He said the line
25:46
Speaker 1: of people I come from are engineers. that they are
25:50
Speaker 1: a royal line, so that would make me a little princess.
25:54
Speaker 1: He told me some other things, but I don't remember
25:57
Speaker 1: everything he said. He felt so familiar to me, like
26:01
Speaker 1: I had always known him. Now from age 14, Kay
26:04
Speaker 1: had a few missing time incidents and visitations, but she
26:08
Speaker 1: really only remembered bits and pieces. One incident that stuck
26:13
Speaker 1: out wasn't so much an encounter, but a strange feeling
26:16
Speaker 1: of not belonging on earth. She was driving with her
26:20
Speaker 1: mother and just looking up at the stars and very
26:23
Speaker 1: suddenly felt an incredibly powerful feeling of homesickness and that
26:28
Speaker 1: Earth was not her true home. As Kay says, This
26:32
Speaker 1: feeling is something I can still remember and feel. I
26:35
Speaker 1: remember thinking that if I didn't go home soon, my
26:38
Speaker 1: heart was going to break. The home I wanted to
26:41
Speaker 1: go to was up there somewhere among the stars. I
26:45
Speaker 1: silently cried, not letting my mother see. Now, by the
26:48
Speaker 1: time Kay became a teenager, she had no doubt that
26:52
Speaker 1: she was having alien encounters. As she says, I knew
26:55
Speaker 1: that I was part of the aliens. A part of
26:58
Speaker 1: me wanted to know everything, and another part of me
27:01
Speaker 1: wanted nothing to do with them. At age 15, she
27:04
Speaker 1: discovered an unusual healed scar above her navel, and she
27:09
Speaker 1: showed it to her mother and asked her mother if
27:12
Speaker 1: she had ever had surgery when she was little. Her
27:15
Speaker 1: mom seemed to panic at this and said, No, there
27:18
Speaker 1: is no scar. It's just your imagination. Now Kay could
27:22
Speaker 1: see that her mother was very upset, so she just
27:25
Speaker 1: decided to drop it. Another memorable incident occurred around 1975
27:30
Speaker 1: when Kay was about 17. She was driving with her
27:33
Speaker 1: older brother and two friends, and they were about to
27:36
Speaker 1: drop off one of the friends at her house when
27:39
Speaker 1: Kay's brother shouted out, Look out the window! There is
27:42
Speaker 1: something in the sky! I'll just let Kay describe what happened.
27:47
Speaker 1: As Kay says, We looked to our right and saw
27:50
Speaker 1: a huge round ship rise above the treetops. The other
27:54
Speaker 1: girl and I started screaming. The two boys in the
27:57
Speaker 1: car said they wanted to go back to town to
27:59
Speaker 1: get the police. The friend we were taking home wanted
28:02
Speaker 1: to go to her house. The next thing I knew,
28:06
Speaker 1: the car was quiet and the other three people in
28:08
Speaker 1: the car were not moving. When I looked out the window,
28:12
Speaker 1: there were four aliens. They opened the door and told
28:15
Speaker 1: me to come along with them. I felt like I
28:18
Speaker 1: was being forced out mentally. One of them turned around
28:22
Speaker 1: and told me to stop screaming. He was irritated with
28:25
Speaker 1: me and said for me to stop causing so much
28:27
Speaker 1: trouble as it would only delay the procedures. They were
28:31
Speaker 1: on a tight schedule and didn't have time to spend
28:34
Speaker 1: with a screaming person who knew what was going on
28:37
Speaker 1: and why it was happening. When he said that, I
28:41
Speaker 1: calmed down and stopped screaming. but I did pout until
28:44
Speaker 1: they brought me back. That was the only time that
28:47
Speaker 1: they have ever been short-tempered with me. Now Kay says
28:50
Speaker 1: she was taken on board and they did a gynecological procedure,
28:53
Speaker 1: which was one of several incidents like this which occurred
28:57
Speaker 1: during her teenage years, and she didn't like it. As
29:00
Speaker 1: she says, the procedures were horrible. I don't know if
29:04
Speaker 1: I will ever be able to talk about it. Now
29:07
Speaker 1: that turned out to be the last experience for almost
29:10
Speaker 1: two decades. and things were quiet until she was about
29:13
Speaker 1: 36 years old. A describes some very, very interesting and
29:18
Speaker 1: I think important details. It's very interesting to me that
29:23
Speaker 1: she remembers all the way back to six months old,
29:27
Speaker 1: having her first encounter at that time. This may sound unusual,
29:31
Speaker 1: but this is something quite a few contactees have told me,
29:34
Speaker 1: that they remember encounters before they were even one year old.
29:40
Speaker 1: also very interesting is the ETs told her that she
29:44
Speaker 1: had some interesting genetics and comes from a long line
29:47
Speaker 1: of engineers or scientists and also has royal in her
29:52
Speaker 1: blood this is something I've heard from a number of
29:55
Speaker 1: contactees that they come from a line of royalty and
29:59
Speaker 1: and have interesting genetics all around. So that's another feature
30:03
Speaker 1: we see. Even Kay's description of seeing this sort of floating, spinning,
30:08
Speaker 1: diamond-like structure, I've heard that in a number of cases.
30:12
Speaker 1: So all these details begin to add up and I
30:15
Speaker 1: think add credence to her account. What's also really interesting
30:20
Speaker 1: is that when people are young children, usually they don't
30:24
Speaker 1: experience a lot of fear, but as they get to
30:26
Speaker 1: be teenagers and young adults, The fear ramps up. I
30:31
Speaker 1: think it's understandable because they start to realize this is
30:35
Speaker 1: something that is actually happening. And the physical exams are
30:40
Speaker 1: generally unpleasant for people. Also interesting is that Kay reports
30:45
Speaker 1: an unusual mark on her body. All of these details
30:49
Speaker 1: are fairly common among UFO contactees. Especially this feeling of
30:55
Speaker 1: homesickness or belonging among the stars. So that's also super interesting.
31:02
Speaker 1: Now let's move to the next segment, because following Kay's
31:06
Speaker 1: teenage years, encounters, as I said, stopped completely. Again, not unusual.
31:12
Speaker 1: People can have long periods of their life with no activity.
31:16
Speaker 1: But suddenly, when she was about 36 years old, the
31:19
Speaker 1: encounters started occurring real strong. So this completely changed her life,
31:27
Speaker 1: and it was these encounters that really caused her to
31:30
Speaker 1: seek out help from researcher Constance Clear. I call this
31:35
Speaker 1: next segment, The E.T. 's Return. It was now the
31:39
Speaker 1: summer of 1994. Again, Kay was 36. She was asleep
31:43
Speaker 1: in bed with her husband when she woke up and
31:46
Speaker 1: saw greys standing by her bedside. She began screaming. Her
31:50
Speaker 1: husband woke up, but before she could show him, the
31:53
Speaker 1: greys were gone. In the morning, he had no memory
31:57
Speaker 1: of the incident. She said these were short little greys
32:01
Speaker 1: who appeared to be cold and unemotional, and unlike the
32:04
Speaker 1: white-skinned greys which she had encountered, which she says were
32:07
Speaker 1: far more nurturing. It was one evening a short time later,
32:12
Speaker 1: Kay woke up again to find one of the white-skinned
32:14
Speaker 1: greys lying next to her husband in bed. Now seeing
32:19
Speaker 1: that Kay was awake, this little grey sat up, immediately
32:23
Speaker 1: floated off the bed and assumed a vertical position floating
32:27
Speaker 1: about two feet off the floor at the edge of
32:29
Speaker 1: the bed. Kay had the distinct impression that the gray
32:33
Speaker 1: was female, and what followed was an extraordinary interaction and
32:37
Speaker 1: a conversation with this gray ET. As Kay says, I
32:43
Speaker 1: got up out of bed and walked toward her. She
32:46
Speaker 1: was only about four feet tall, a thin body with
32:49
Speaker 1: skinny arms and legs, very white skin, and long white hair.
32:55
Speaker 1: She had large eyes and a thin line for a mouth.
32:58
Speaker 1: What I thought was odd was the glow that surrounded her.
33:01
Speaker 1: It was an iridescent whitish glow. It looked as if
33:05
Speaker 1: the glowing light was holding her up and helping her
33:07
Speaker 1: to float around. When I asked her what she was
33:10
Speaker 1: doing with my husband, she said she was just checking
33:14
Speaker 1: him out. She said that they approved of him and
33:17
Speaker 1: liked him for me. When she started talking telepathically, I
33:21
Speaker 1: immediately knew her. a feeling of homesickness came over me,
33:26
Speaker 1: with the same feeling I had when I was a child,
33:28
Speaker 1: looking out at the night sky and wanting to go home.
33:32
Speaker 1: As she held me, I cried and asked her to
33:35
Speaker 1: take me back with her. She held me for a
33:38
Speaker 1: while longer until I calmed down a bit. She told
33:41
Speaker 1: me that it would not be much longer before they
33:43
Speaker 1: came back for me. So it was this experience which
33:46
Speaker 1: prompted Kay to seek help. She went to a bookstore
33:49
Speaker 1: and found the book Abduction by John Mack, which ultimately
33:53
Speaker 1: led her to visit researcher and therapist Constance Clear, who
33:57
Speaker 1: lived about two and a half hours away in San Antonio, Texas.
34:01
Speaker 1: Constance Clear first began by simply counseling and speaking with
34:05
Speaker 1: Kay and working on her anxiety. Shortly after this first visit,
34:10
Speaker 1: the ETs returned again, and this time Kay was taken
34:13
Speaker 1: on board. She found herself sitting on a table on
34:16
Speaker 1: board the craft, being examined by her main ET liaison
34:20
Speaker 1: and guide, a gray that she calls Z. He told
34:24
Speaker 1: her his name, but all she could remember was that
34:26
Speaker 1: it began with Z, so that's what she called him.
34:30
Speaker 1: They were in an alcove off of a hallway. She
34:33
Speaker 1: did see a few other empty tables nearby, and as
34:36
Speaker 1: Kay says, Z was standing in front of me, holding
34:39
Speaker 1: my hands, turning my arms around. He asked me why
34:43
Speaker 1: I had scratches on my arms. I explained to him
34:47
Speaker 1: that I had a new kitten in the house, that
34:49
Speaker 1: she liked to play a lot and had sharp claws.
34:53
Speaker 1: He seemed perplexed about this. He then told me to
34:56
Speaker 1: lie back on the table while he showed me something.
34:59
Speaker 1: There was a huge screen in front of me. Z
35:02
Speaker 1: showed me where I came from and where I was
35:05
Speaker 1: going to go one day. He explained everything to me. Afterwards,
35:10
Speaker 1: he told me why I could never tell anyone about this.
35:14
Speaker 1: He said there were people here on Earth that would
35:16
Speaker 1: harm me to get the information he gave me. It
35:19
Speaker 1: was for my own safety that I not say anything.
35:23
Speaker 1: The love I felt for them was so strong that
35:26
Speaker 1: I could never betray their trust. After that visit with Z,
35:30
Speaker 1: I was able to start coming to terms with who
35:33
Speaker 1: I am. Now, Kea reports many other encounters around this time.
35:38
Speaker 1: One amazing event occurred one evening when she was awakened
35:41
Speaker 1: by a telepathic message to enter a beam of light,
35:45
Speaker 1: which she could now see was shining down into her room.
35:49
Speaker 1: As Kay says, I remember waking up my husband and
35:52
Speaker 1: telling him to come with me because I wanted to
35:55
Speaker 1: show him they were real. This time they did not
35:58
Speaker 1: send anyone for me. They just told me to walk
36:01
Speaker 1: into the beam of light and I would be taken
36:04
Speaker 1: into the ship. I told my husband to hold on
36:07
Speaker 1: to me and we would go up into the light.
36:10
Speaker 1: The light was an iridescent green color with sparkles in it.
36:14
Speaker 1: As we were going up, he hit his head on
36:16
Speaker 1: the ceiling. I could not imagine what was wrong. The
36:20
Speaker 1: next instant, I saw one of the aliens next to
36:22
Speaker 1: the light in our bedroom. He told me I could
36:25
Speaker 1: not bring my husband this time. I was upset, and
36:29
Speaker 1: I told them I wanted to bring him, and they
36:31
Speaker 1: said there would be another time. Kay's husband, Rafael, was
36:35
Speaker 1: put back in bed, and Kay was pulled on board
36:38
Speaker 1: alone into a kind of waiting room. She did see
36:41
Speaker 1: other people there wearing pajamas. As she waited, a young
36:46
Speaker 1: gray alien arrived And this gray alien seemed to be giggling.
36:50
Speaker 1: She was carrying a transparent clipboard kind of device. As
36:54
Speaker 1: Kay says, She said she was not supposed to be
36:57
Speaker 1: in here, but she wanted to come in and see
37:00
Speaker 1: what we looked like. She quickly left the room. Another
37:03
Speaker 1: alien then came in and walked over to me. He
37:06
Speaker 1: said he was taking me to training. We went to
37:10
Speaker 1: the engineering area for training. I was told we have
37:13
Speaker 1: everything stored in our memory. and that all they have
37:16
Speaker 1: to do is show us once how to do something,
37:19
Speaker 1: then when it's needed later, the memory is triggered. After
37:23
Speaker 1: the training, I was sent back to my bed. Now
37:26
Speaker 1: back in her room, Kay was confronted by a smaller,
37:29
Speaker 1: darker gray, the kind she doesn't like. She immediately lashed
37:32
Speaker 1: out and tried to hit it, causing it to emit
37:35
Speaker 1: a high-pitched, shrill scream. A taller, light-skinned gray appeared and
37:39
Speaker 1: ordered the other gray away and said that they would
37:42
Speaker 1: take care of Kay. So many interesting details to these
37:47
Speaker 1: kinds of cases. It's fascinating to me that Kay really
37:50
Speaker 1: wanted to bring her husband along so he could see,
37:53
Speaker 1: and wasn't able to do so. He did have experiences himself,
37:59
Speaker 1: so he knows his wife's experiences are real, but often
38:04
Speaker 1: he wouldn't remember some of the things he was experiencing
38:07
Speaker 1: with Kay. Really interesting that Kay was in the waiting
38:13
Speaker 1: room and this other little gray comes up and she
38:16
Speaker 1: sensed that it was giggling. I think that shows the
38:18
Speaker 1: sort of emotional, very human side of the grays. We
38:23
Speaker 1: have this weird tendency to separate all ETs from humans.
38:27
Speaker 1: It's like us and them, when that's really not the
38:30
Speaker 1: case at all. And again, we see Kay having this
38:33
Speaker 1: sort of push-pull, this sort of love-hate relationship with the ETs,
38:38
Speaker 1: feeling like one day she might go with them permanently,
38:43
Speaker 1: really feels very strongly connected to them. So very, very interesting. Now,
38:51
Speaker 1: that turned out not to be the end of her encounters.
38:54
Speaker 1: She had quite a few more onboard encounters. So that's
38:57
Speaker 1: what I call this next segment, more onboard encounters. During
39:02
Speaker 1: this time, there were many more encounters. During one onboard encounter,
39:06
Speaker 1: the ETs walked Kay through the ship Kay asked if
39:10
Speaker 1: they were coming to take her away with them, and
39:13
Speaker 1: they replied, no, not now, but promised that the time
39:16
Speaker 1: would eventually come when they would take her away. Another
39:19
Speaker 1: onboard encounter proved to be quite concerning. Kay found herself
39:23
Speaker 1: onboard the craft. The Greys were giving her a physical
39:26
Speaker 1: exam using a device much like an x-ray. that lights
39:30
Speaker 1: up her whole body. They told her that if she
39:33
Speaker 1: lay still, she would be given full freedom to explore
39:36
Speaker 1: the craft as she pleased. Kay agreed and submitted to
39:40
Speaker 1: the exam, and she was then allowed to explore. And
39:43
Speaker 1: she did. As Kay says, After the test, I did
39:47
Speaker 1: walk around, but I got into a bit of trouble.
39:50
Speaker 1: I was walking down a curved hallway. To my right,
39:53
Speaker 1: there was a door to a room. I walked up
39:55
Speaker 1: to the door and the door opened. There, a woman
39:59
Speaker 1: was lying on a bed and an alien woman was
40:02
Speaker 1: standing on the other side of the bed holding a baby. Now,
40:05
Speaker 1: Kay described the woman on the table as having long
40:08
Speaker 1: black hair down to her waist. Seeing Kay, this woman
40:12
Speaker 1: said to please help her as the aliens were going
40:15
Speaker 1: to take her baby. The alien holding the baby apparently
40:18
Speaker 1: heard this and got a look of fear at this
40:20
Speaker 1: pronouncement and hugged the baby tightly. Kay offered to take
40:25
Speaker 1: the woman lying on the table out of the room,
40:27
Speaker 1: but the woman refused as she did not want to
40:29
Speaker 1: leave her baby. So Kay said she would guard the
40:32
Speaker 1: door and not let anyone in the room. Shortly after this,
40:36
Speaker 1: one of the short dark greys appeared and he was
40:39
Speaker 1: not happy. Immediately a light-skinned grey appeared and ordered the
40:43
Speaker 1: darker one away, and said that he would talk to
40:45
Speaker 1: Kay and everything would be okay. The gray told her
40:48
Speaker 1: that it was necessary that they take the baby. Kay
40:52
Speaker 1: let the light-skinned gray in and told the woman what
40:55
Speaker 1: the gray had told her. The woman began sobbing again.
40:58
Speaker 1: Kay offered to take her out of there, but the
41:01
Speaker 1: gray then told her not to worry that they would
41:03
Speaker 1: take her home. Kay was then taken back to the
41:05
Speaker 1: waiting room until it was time for her to be returned.
41:09
Speaker 1: To this day, she wonders who this other woman was
41:12
Speaker 1: and hopes that one day she will find her. A
41:15
Speaker 1: doesn't have a whole lot of details to some of
41:17
Speaker 1: these encounters. In fact, it was these above experiences that
41:21
Speaker 1: she did recall largely through hypnosis, though she did dream
41:25
Speaker 1: about them. And in the dreams, a lot of these
41:28
Speaker 1: details were accurate. So she was remembering a lot of
41:31
Speaker 1: this fully consciously, or at least in dream recall and flashbacks.
41:38
Speaker 1: Super interesting how she describes this very advanced medical capabilities
41:43
Speaker 1: of the ETs. Also interesting to me was that she
41:46
Speaker 1: was given free reign of the craft, allowed to explore.
41:50
Speaker 1: This is something we see with a number of encounters. Also,
41:54
Speaker 1: we do see the connection to ETs and women having babies.
42:00
Speaker 1: That is certainly something we do see in a number
42:02
Speaker 1: of encounters involving females. So there is another important aspect
42:09
Speaker 1: of UFO encounters that I think deserves more attention and study, certainly.
42:14
Speaker 1: Really fascinating stuff all around. You can see it was
42:17
Speaker 1: very difficult for Kay processing her experiences. And yet at
42:23
Speaker 1: the same time, she feels this incredible closeness and connection
42:27
Speaker 1: to the ETs. So this last segment for Kay's experiences,
42:32
Speaker 1: I call Final Thoughts. And this is where she talks
42:36
Speaker 1: about how she feels about her encounters. Having all these
42:40
Speaker 1: encounters has not been easy for Kay. She admits that
42:43
Speaker 1: she has a bit of a love-hate relationship with the ETs.
42:47
Speaker 1: In fact, there was one point that she was so
42:49
Speaker 1: upset about it that she felt that she was at
42:52
Speaker 1: the end of her rope and had actually become suicidal.
42:56
Speaker 1: Two nights later, this is when the ETs arrived and
42:58
Speaker 1: she had an experience that brought her great peace. As
43:02
Speaker 1: researcher Constance Clear writes, it was as though the aliens
43:06
Speaker 1: knew she was at the end of her tolerance and
43:08
Speaker 1: they intervened. Now Kay's last encounter before Constance's book was
43:13
Speaker 1: published was on November 1st, 1997. Kay was taken on
43:17
Speaker 1: board and given a message from the ETs. As Kay says,
43:21
Speaker 1: they said that everything we see or hear is stored
43:25
Speaker 1: in our brains. This starts from the minute we are
43:28
Speaker 1: born and continues until we die. Even when we are sleeping,
43:32
Speaker 1: our brain is recording every sound we hear. We are
43:36
Speaker 1: not able to access this information as readily as they can,
43:40
Speaker 1: But one day, we will be evolved enough to the
43:42
Speaker 1: point of being able to do this. This design of
43:45
Speaker 1: storing information was given to us as a tool for survival.
43:49
Speaker 1: So that was the message from the ETs. So while
43:52
Speaker 1: contact has been difficult, Kay says she feels an incredible
43:56
Speaker 1: connection to the ETs. As she says, This is a
44:00
Speaker 1: situation that myself and others have been born into. It
44:04
Speaker 1: isn't something that I chose for myself. This was chosen
44:07
Speaker 1: for me. The love I feel for them is the
44:10
Speaker 1: same as the love I feel for my family. The
44:13
Speaker 1: love I feel for my family is for my relatives.
44:16
Speaker 1: The difference with them is that I feel a great
44:19
Speaker 1: deal of love for their whole race, not just the
44:22
Speaker 1: ones I know personally. They are an incredible race. While
44:26
Speaker 1: my eyes see them as strange-looking, my heart sees them
44:30
Speaker 1: as beautiful. Some nights I will look up at the
44:32
Speaker 1: star-filled night and hope that tonight I will see them.
44:37
Speaker 1: Each morning when I let my cats in, I go
44:39
Speaker 1: to the patio and look up, hoping to see something.
44:42
Speaker 1: At times, my heart aches with loneliness for them. It
44:46
Speaker 1: is difficult being a part of them and not being
44:48
Speaker 1: able to live with them. They are in my thoughts
44:52
Speaker 1: every day, even if it is only for a few seconds.
44:56
Speaker 1: So there you go. Those are the encounters of Kay.
44:59
Speaker 1: You can see why she wanted to remain anonymous. Most
45:03
Speaker 1: witnesses do. They don't want to expose themselves to the
45:07
Speaker 1: ridicule and gaslighting and skepticism that still surrounds this subject.
45:12
Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot to learn from Kay's encounters,
45:16
Speaker 1: particularly what it's like to have lifelong encounters with ETs,
45:20
Speaker 1: how difficult it can be, and yet at the same time,
45:23
Speaker 1: how illuminating it can be. So it's a bit of
45:27
Speaker 1: a mixed bag for a lot of witnesses, but I
45:31
Speaker 1: think her case is very important. Again, if you'd like
45:34
Speaker 1: to check it out, learn more about it, check out
45:38
Speaker 1: Constant Clear's book, Reaching for Reality. I certainly wasn't able
45:43
Speaker 1: to include all the details of her amazing encounters. So
45:49
Speaker 1: now let's move to the last and final case in
45:52
Speaker 1: this compilation, which I call They Marked Us Forever, The
45:57
Speaker 1: Onboard UFO Encounters of Addie and Tansy. This took place
46:03
Speaker 1: approximately in 2018, I believe in rural Montana. I love
46:09
Speaker 1: this case because it's a multiple witness case. Although it
46:12
Speaker 1: was quite scary, there are some amazing benevolent aspects to it.
46:18
Speaker 1: Also interesting is that there were different types of ETs,
46:23
Speaker 1: grays and human looking. So let's just get to it.
46:27
Speaker 1: I call this first segment, The Camping Trip. This case
46:31
Speaker 1: comes from researcher Artie Sixkiller-Clark and appears in her book,
46:35
Speaker 1: Space Age Indians, which was published in 2019. Now, Artie
46:40
Speaker 1: does not provide a specific location for the encounter other
46:43
Speaker 1: than it was on an American Indian reservation, likely Montana,
46:48
Speaker 1: as this is where Artie is based. Nor does she
46:51
Speaker 1: provide a date of the encounter, but as a prior
46:53
Speaker 1: book was published in 2016, it is likely after this,
46:57
Speaker 1: as the witnesses, who are two high school junior girls,
47:01
Speaker 1: say that the encounter happened one year prior to being
47:03
Speaker 1: interviewed for Artie's 2019 book. So that would place the
47:08
Speaker 1: encounter somewhere between 2017 and 2018. Again, the witnesses are
47:13
Speaker 1: anonymous and are known only by their pseudonyms, Addie and Tansy.
47:17
Speaker 1: The two girls had become friends as their parents owned
47:20
Speaker 1: adjoining ranches on an Indian reservation. Both were very competitive
47:25
Speaker 1: state and regional champions with barrel racing and calf roping.
47:30
Speaker 1: Aside from many other interests, they often took three-day horseback
47:34
Speaker 1: riding camping trips in the wilderness area around their ranches.
47:38
Speaker 1: It was during one of these trips that they shared
47:40
Speaker 1: a very unusual onboard UFO encounter. They were both 15
47:45
Speaker 1: years old when it occurred. It was not long before Thanksgiving.
47:49
Speaker 1: They were at their campsite. They built a campfire and ate.
47:53
Speaker 1: It started raining, so they took refuge in the tent.
47:56
Speaker 1: The rain quickly stopped, so they built up the fire again.
47:59
Speaker 1: and went to ride their two horses, Juniper and Starwood,
48:03
Speaker 1: both males, to a nearby pond so they could drink.
48:07
Speaker 1: Starwood was a pinto horse, Juniper was a palomino. And
48:11
Speaker 1: as Addie says, We no sooner headed toward the pond
48:15
Speaker 1: than a bright light came down from the sky and
48:17
Speaker 1: shined directly on top of us. The horses became frightened
48:21
Speaker 1: and started to run toward the pond. It was all
48:24
Speaker 1: we could do to hold on. Anzi confirms this, and
48:27
Speaker 1: as she says, The light followed us wherever we went.
48:31
Speaker 1: I looked upward, trying to figure out where the light
48:33
Speaker 1: was coming from, and it blinded me. Now both girls
48:36
Speaker 1: then reported what UFO researchers call the Oz Effect, an
48:41
Speaker 1: unexplained and eerie silence. And before they knew it, they
48:45
Speaker 1: were being pulled up into the craft. As Addie says,
48:49
Speaker 1: Suddenly I had the strangest feeling. Everything went silent. There
48:54
Speaker 1: were no animal sounds, no tree sounds, not even the
48:57
Speaker 1: sound of the horses drinking. It was like everything on earth,
49:00
Speaker 1: at least in our little spot, stood still. I didn't
49:04
Speaker 1: even have a chance to mention it to Tansy when
49:06
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we were airborne. As Tansy says,
49:10
Speaker 1: not just us, our horses too. I remember looking down
49:14
Speaker 1: at the pond and hanging on for dear life. The
49:17
Speaker 1: horses were limp. I hugged Juniper around the neck and
49:20
Speaker 1: clung to him. I felt dizzy and was afraid I
49:23
Speaker 1: would fall off. There would be no one to rescue me.
49:26
Speaker 1: It was also very scary for Addie, as Addie says.
49:30
Speaker 1: Starwood was lifeless too. I placed my head on his,
49:34
Speaker 1: but I thought he was dead. Then I thought, maybe
49:37
Speaker 1: the four of us were dead. I remember screaming as
49:40
Speaker 1: loud as I could, but there was no one to
49:42
Speaker 1: hear me, not even Tansy, who appeared as lifeless as Juniper.
49:47
Speaker 1: Quite a few cases of people being in rural areas
49:50
Speaker 1: in the wilderness, and that's when their encounter happens. So
49:53
Speaker 1: I wonder if this was intentional or perhaps opportunistic. I
49:58
Speaker 1: think once we hear the onboard segment, some of this
50:02
Speaker 1: might be answered. Also super interesting was how they described
50:06
Speaker 1: the Oz effect. That's a pretty much regular feature of
50:09
Speaker 1: very close encounters. But let's get to the onboard segment,
50:15
Speaker 1: which I call Onboard the Craft. Both girls now realize
50:19
Speaker 1: that they were someplace else, apparently on board this craft.
50:23
Speaker 1: As Tansy says, The next thing we knew, we were
50:26
Speaker 1: in a huge, strange room. We clung to our horses' necks,
50:30
Speaker 1: and when we sat up, we saw several short, skinny
50:33
Speaker 1: little people approaching us. They were the strangest people I
50:37
Speaker 1: had ever seen. Now judging from the girl's description of
50:40
Speaker 1: the figures that they gave, these do appear to be
50:43
Speaker 1: typical gray aliens. As Addie says, they were bald with
50:48
Speaker 1: black eyes and they were not wearing any clothes. They
50:52
Speaker 1: had the strangest skin, kind of rubbery looking. Their coloring
50:55
Speaker 1: was strange. I screamed again and I think I passed
50:59
Speaker 1: out because when I came to, Tansy and I were
51:02
Speaker 1: on tables in another room. My first thought was for Starwood.
51:07
Speaker 1: I wanted to know where my horse was. I loved
51:09
Speaker 1: my horse, and I thought that they had done something
51:12
Speaker 1: to him. I yelled at them, but they just stood
51:15
Speaker 1: there staring at me. That's when these tall men came
51:18
Speaker 1: into the room. They looked like humans. They looked like women,
51:22
Speaker 1: but I think they were men. Very dainty. I couldn't
51:26
Speaker 1: tell if they were men or women. And I yelled
51:28
Speaker 1: at them and demanded to know where we were. I
51:31
Speaker 1: wanted to know about Starwood. Now Tansy agreed that while
51:34
Speaker 1: the taller beings looked human, they were not quite normal humans.
51:38
Speaker 1: As she says, they were tall and skinny. They looked
51:41
Speaker 1: like pale, hungry humans who had been locked up somewhere
51:45
Speaker 1: without any sun. Their hair was very thin. They had
51:49
Speaker 1: long faces, but their skin was so white, I thought
51:52
Speaker 1: they were ghosts. They were dressed in funny white suits
51:55
Speaker 1: with a blue band around their arms. Now quickly one
51:58
Speaker 1: of the men approached and said, The horses are okay.
52:02
Speaker 1: You will be okay. This man had a very calming,
52:05
Speaker 1: nurturing manner, and both girls felt that the man was
52:08
Speaker 1: very friendly. As they lay on the tables, the men
52:12
Speaker 1: proceeded to take blood samples, a strand of their hair,
52:15
Speaker 1: skin scrapings. They then used a long glass tube-like device
52:20
Speaker 1: and placed it on their stomachs near their navel. Tansy
52:23
Speaker 1: screamed when she saw it, but one of the men
52:25
Speaker 1: assured her that it would not hurt. Addie does admit
52:28
Speaker 1: she was frightened because she felt like she was in
52:30
Speaker 1: a doctor's office. And as she says, I don't like doctors.
52:34
Speaker 1: Both felt that something may have been inserted into their bodies,
52:38
Speaker 1: but as the man had told them, neither felt any pain.
52:41
Speaker 1: After the exam, the men told both Abby and Tansy
52:45
Speaker 1: that they were not good specimens as they were too
52:48
Speaker 1: young for childbearing. At that point, the little greys came
52:52
Speaker 1: back into the room. They took the girls off the table,
52:56
Speaker 1: held them by the arms, and led them to another
52:59
Speaker 1: room where the horses were still standing. The men then
53:02
Speaker 1: told him that their horses were both excellent specimens, but
53:06
Speaker 1: he did not elaborate on this. And as Tansy says,
53:10
Speaker 1: Then suddenly we were back on earth, sitting on our horses,
53:13
Speaker 1: as though nothing ever happened. As the horses drank from
53:17
Speaker 1: the pond, a clap of thunder filled the night, and
53:20
Speaker 1: we looked up and saw the outline of a huge
53:23
Speaker 1: round object lift upward and disappear in a flash of lightning.
53:28
Speaker 1: I don't think we slept a wink that night. We
53:30
Speaker 1: sat up talking about what happened to us. How amazing
53:34
Speaker 1: is that? I don't know of another case where people
53:37
Speaker 1: were brought on board with their horses. I'm sure there
53:41
Speaker 1: might be some out there, but I can't think of any.
53:46
Speaker 1: You can see that these witnesses had a very difficult time.
53:49
Speaker 1: It was quite scary for them. Even though they weren't hurt, apparently,
53:54
Speaker 1: they didn't experience any pain. And they were able to
53:58
Speaker 1: converse with the ETs. So a really profound and unusual encounter.
54:04
Speaker 1: Though in some ways typical, they were just taken on board,
54:07
Speaker 1: physically examined, and then let go. Because apparently they didn't
54:12
Speaker 1: fit the ETs' program or weren't useful to it. But
54:18
Speaker 1: it was really the aftermath of this encounter that is
54:22
Speaker 1: so fascinating and perhaps reveals why the ETs took these
54:28
Speaker 1: people on board. Hard to say for sure, but yeah,
54:32
Speaker 1: the aftermath is amazing. And of course, that's what I
54:35
Speaker 1: call this next segment, The Aftermath. One of the first
54:38
Speaker 1: things both girls noticed following this encounter was a strange,
54:42
Speaker 1: unexplained mark on their abdomens where they had both been
54:45
Speaker 1: touched by this glass tube-like instrument. Artie Sixkiller-Clark was able
54:50
Speaker 1: to examine both marks personally when she interviewed the two witnesses.
54:55
Speaker 1: And as Artie says... Both girls displayed a round, red
54:59
Speaker 1: mark about the size of a dime. They were identical
55:02
Speaker 1: in size, shape, and placement, and reminded me of a
55:06
Speaker 1: blood blister I once had as a child. Even a
55:09
Speaker 1: year after the encounter, the marks still remained in place,
55:13
Speaker 1: and as Tansy says, that's the mark they left on us.
55:17
Speaker 1: It's never gone away. Addie agrees and says, they marked
55:21
Speaker 1: us forever. Now the most amazing after effect was yet
55:25
Speaker 1: to come, and involved both their horses, which following the
55:29
Speaker 1: encounter became, as the girls called them, super horses. The
55:34
Speaker 1: horses were both above average in performance already, but they
55:37
Speaker 1: were not getting any younger and in fact reached their
55:40
Speaker 1: peak performance. They were as good as they were going
55:43
Speaker 1: to be and were not going to get any better.
55:46
Speaker 1: Both Addie and Tansy were already training backups for both
55:50
Speaker 1: Juniper and Starwood. But following this encounter, The horses were
55:54
Speaker 1: markedly improved in multiple ways. As Tanzi says, Several judges
56:00
Speaker 1: have labeled them the best barrel racing and roping horses
56:02
Speaker 1: in the country. This past year, we've been offered thousands
56:04
Speaker 1: of dollars for stud services. I don't know what those
56:24
Speaker 1: star people did, but we know the changes in Starwood
56:27
Speaker 1: and Juniper has something to do with them. I wish
56:30
Speaker 1: I knew what the Starmen did to them. It could
56:32
Speaker 1: change veterinary science. What they did to our horses is
56:36
Speaker 1: something out of science fiction, and it has changed our
56:39
Speaker 1: lives forever. Addie agrees 100% and adds that it's not
56:44
Speaker 1: just youthfulness and strength that has been improved, but much more.
56:49
Speaker 1: As Addie says, At first we noticed changes in their
56:52
Speaker 1: ability to run. and their general response to our cues
56:56
Speaker 1: as riders. But the most amazing thing was their energy levels.
57:00
Speaker 1: They had more stamina and more agility. Their response to
57:04
Speaker 1: our bodies and to our directions was amazing. It's like
57:07
Speaker 1: they could read our minds. Now, both girls reiterated this
57:12
Speaker 1: and provided specific examples. As Tansy says, once she approached
57:17
Speaker 1: her horse, Juniper, and told him she wanted to go
57:20
Speaker 1: pick some daisies for her mother. Juniper immediately trotted out
57:24
Speaker 1: to where there was a clump of daisies growing and
57:27
Speaker 1: waited for Tansy. Addie also provided an example. She says
57:30
Speaker 1: that when she took Starwood out and told her that
57:33
Speaker 1: she was going to pick some wild strawberries for breakfast,
57:36
Speaker 1: Starwood immediately took off to the distant area where these
57:40
Speaker 1: strawberries grew and without any prompting or leading from Addie.
57:44
Speaker 1: When Artie Sixkiller Clark interviewed the witnesses, they both introduced
57:49
Speaker 1: their horses to Artie. And as Artie says, So there
57:53
Speaker 1: you go. You can see that the girls didn't really
57:55
Speaker 1: like their encounter. They felt a bit violated. Both were
57:58
Speaker 1: amazed to find identical marks on their bellies. which was
58:21
Speaker 1: of course verified by researcher RD6 Killer Clark, but so
58:26
Speaker 1: fascinating that their horses were not only taken on board,
58:30
Speaker 1: but apparently experienced a great improvement not only in their
58:34
Speaker 1: health and strength, but in their mental abilities. That is
58:40
Speaker 1: just so interesting, and I think argues for the motivations
58:44
Speaker 1: of the ETs being benevolent. Everyone's just going to have
58:50
Speaker 1: to make up their own minds about these encounters. I
58:52
Speaker 1: am presenting them factually and objectively. I'm not pushing any
58:57
Speaker 1: narrative towards benevolence or hostility. These are the cases as
59:02
Speaker 1: people report them. Really, my only qualification is that the
59:05
Speaker 1: case is credible and vetted in some ways. way. So
59:12
Speaker 1: there you go, three onboard encounters, each quite different, each
59:16
Speaker 1: with amazing commonalities. I think it's impossible to explain these
59:20
Speaker 1: away as the result of hoaxes, hallucinations, misperceptions, or mental
59:26
Speaker 1: illness or imagination. or anything like that because of these
59:31
Speaker 1: commonalities that we see between cases that are widely separated
59:34
Speaker 1: in time and place, occurring decade after decade, reported by
59:39
Speaker 1: people all across the world. Again, I think these are
59:43
Speaker 1: the most important cases. These are the ones that we
59:46
Speaker 1: will find the most information, which I think is why
59:50
Speaker 1: we will never hear the people in Congress or people
59:54
Speaker 1: in other governments discussing the onboard cases of people who
59:58
Speaker 1: are having direct contact because that's where the truth is
1:00:02
Speaker 1: and I don't think they're in the business of revealing
1:00:05
Speaker 1: the truth. Just my assessment. So I think we have
1:00:08
Speaker 1: a long way towards disclosure and that's another one of
1:00:11
Speaker 1: the reasons I do this work because I think we
1:00:14
Speaker 1: all deserve to know the truth about extraterrestrial contact and
1:00:18
Speaker 1: the ET presence on our planet. So I hope you've
1:00:21
Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode. I truly appreciate you guys listening. And
1:00:25
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Until next time, keep asking those
1:00:29
Speaker 1: hard questions. Keep searching for the truth. Most important of all,
1:00:33
Speaker 1: keep having fun and be well. I am signing off.