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EPISODE 33: Why We Stay: Toxic Relationships, Reality TV & Red Flags We Ignored · It's Mom O'Clock

• 0:00
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• 1:14
  Speaker B: You guys, stop. Is it Mama Clock yet? I am going crazy.
• 1:19
  Speaker A: Heck, yeah.
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  Speaker B: It's Mama Clark.
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  Speaker A: Somewhere.
• 1:42
  Speaker B: We have a live studio audience.
• 1:43
  Speaker A: Yeah, and if you hear him and he ruins our audio, he's paying someone anyway. My tits are titting. My f was pooping. What else?
• 1:53
  Speaker B: My sleeves are sleeving.
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  Speaker A: He's not understanding. I'm gonna have to kick him out.
• 2:00
  Speaker B: Wait. I feel like a bat. Like a toxic bat.
• 2:02
  Speaker A: I love that sweater.
• 2:03
  Speaker B: I'm toxic, baby.
• 2:05
  Speaker A: You don't know the first thing about toxic.
• 2:07
  Speaker B: We are talking all about toxicity, baby. Welcome back. It is Mom o'. Clock. I am feeling good. Me, too.
• 2:14
  Speaker A: I'm feeling good.
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  Speaker B: I want to get, like, in the mood of, like, being, like, super.
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  Speaker A: I could. I can make a switch.
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  Speaker B: Okay.
• 2:20
  Speaker A: I'm like a paid actor.
• 2:21
  Speaker B: Go ahead. Today. Welcome back. Good to be here. Glad to fuck around with you.
• 2:28
  Speaker A: We're glad to fuck.
• 2:29
  Speaker B: I saw you last night.
• 2:31
  Speaker A: Saw who last night?
• 2:32
  Speaker B: You. Oh, Taco Tuesday.
• 2:33
  Speaker A: We did. We did our first vlog yesterday. It was so fun.
• 2:36
  Speaker B: Vlogging.
• 2:36
  Speaker A: I mean, no one was paying attention to me.
• 2:38
  Speaker B: Vlog.
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  Speaker A: Like, I don't understand.
• 2:39
  Speaker B: Did we even talk?
• 2:41
  Speaker A: I tried.
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  Speaker B: And, like, you were like, I don't.
• 2:42
  Speaker A: Know what you were doing.
• 2:43
  Speaker B: Honestly, I don't like being filmed.
• 2:46
  Speaker A: But you have to. This is our job.
• 2:49
  Speaker B: Like, what do you mean? Just in the bedroom.
• 2:51
  Speaker A: It's like, I have to be the actress at all times of the day.
• 2:53
  Speaker B: I don't act, it's tired.
• 2:55
  Speaker A: I'm getting tired.
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  Speaker B: Irl, baby.
• 2:57
  Speaker A: I'm exhausted.
• 2:58
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 2:58
  Speaker A: All right. You're so toxic. Who's more toxic than me or you?
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  Speaker B: You. I'm so normal.
• 3:04
  Speaker A: I am toxic.
• 3:07
  Speaker B: I wonder why I need to get into, like, the psychology.
• 3:09
  Speaker A: I'm a good toxic.
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  Speaker B: Why you're so toxic.
• 3:11
  Speaker A: I'm a good toxic.
• 3:12
  Speaker B: Are you?
• 3:12
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 3:13
  Speaker B: Should I ask your exes?
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  Speaker A: Want to call them?
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  Speaker B: Kind of.
• 3:17
  Speaker A: Can you?
• 3:18
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 3:19
  Speaker A: Imagine I'm doing. I'll have Chris Cole, one of my exes. No, that would, like, start World War 7.
• 3:28
  Speaker B: I'm so down for that.
• 3:29
  Speaker A: Me too. I love that shit.
• 3:30
  Speaker B: All right, but first we have to get into a couple things.
• 3:32
  Speaker A: Oh, tell me.
• 3:33
  Speaker B: Tea time.
• 3:34
  Speaker A: Tea time. Our new segment.
• 3:36
  Speaker B: There are things going on in this world that are very important to talk about.
• 3:39
  Speaker A: I mean, it's people's personality. So let's get into it. Okay.
• 3:43
  Speaker B: I need to talk about. Hold on.
• 3:46
  Speaker A: You need some water? Are you parched?
• 3:49
  Speaker B: That was a. Do you know anything about Amanda Batula and Kyle Cook from Summer House? Yes.
• 3:59
  Speaker A: I don't know much, but from what my friends have told me, AKA Jess and what I've seen online, I feel like I have SparkNotes version.
• 4:08
  Speaker B: Wait, shout out to Jess for giving her like a quick, quick video, quick meeting, a four minute tutorial on what's going down.
• 4:16
  Speaker A: Yeah, like, she gave me the rundown, which everything I needed. So I know what I need to know, but let's get into it.
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  Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, okay, so people who don't know anything about Amanda and Kyle, they're just Bravo celebrities. They're not really important in real life, but they're important to us, to me. A Bravo fan. They met on Summer House in early seasons and became the show's main long term couple.
• 4:35
  Speaker A: They were with each other from day one.
• 4:37
  Speaker B: From. Yeah, like they. We watched.
• 4:39
  Speaker A: They met on Summer House.
• 4:40
  Speaker B: Yeah, we met their whole. We watched their whole relationship. They were hooking up. He was always kind of a fuckboy. She was into him, but like, he always kind of like gave her the go around toxic kind of.
• 4:51
  Speaker A: And the definition.
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  Speaker B: No, they had trust issues. There was cheating scandals. It was like the storyline.
• 4:56
  Speaker A: You watched it.
• 4:57
  Speaker B: Yeah, you watched it all play out. And everybody who has a good head on their shoulders, AKA me, was like, Amanda should never fucking marry this guy. And what does she do?
• 5:06
  Speaker A: Marry this guy?
• 5:07
  Speaker B: Marries.
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  Speaker A: She was head over heels for him.
• 5:09
  Speaker B: Yeah. Like, she kind of. She was like, she was. She always chased after him.
• 5:13
  Speaker A: I mean, who doesn't love a fuck boy.
• 5:14
  Speaker B: He fuck boy. Fuck boy. For sure. He constantly was partying and, like, you just see it all play out. He would stay out till 5am she'd be like, why isn't he coming home? But it's like the classic case of.
• 5:24
  Speaker A: Why isn't he coming home?
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  Speaker B: Right. But she does marry him. And they. I think they were married for like a year. Like, not even.
• 5:31
  Speaker A: But together for a while. So, like.
• 5:32
  Speaker B: Yeah, together for a while. And they just announced this week about their official splitting up divorce. They put a public announcement, a whole, like, saga. And they signed it Amanda and Kyle. They said it was mutual and that was their statement.
• 5:47
  Speaker A: Thank God they don't have kids.
• 5:49
  Speaker B: Thank God they don't have kids is right. But there's a lot of things that was intertwined with them because they have, like, this lover boy drink that they.
• 5:57
  Speaker A: Which I drink. That's a tequila drink, right?
• 5:59
  Speaker B: I think it's tequila and it's a beer. They have a bunch of things I didn't know they.
• 6:03
  Speaker A: They did. They made that brand.
• 6:05
  Speaker B: Yeah, that's their brand.
• 6:06
  Speaker A: That's cool.
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  Speaker B: And there's a lot of key points to hit with this because Amanda's friends, specifically Paige from Summer House, who is also Giggly Squad, she always was like, amanda, don't do this. Like the voice of the. Yeah, like the voice.
• 6:21
  Speaker A: There's always a voice.
• 6:22
  Speaker B: She knew. And now it's funny to look back because, like, I know that everybody has this friend that, like, you know, you. You know, you don't want to tell them, don't date this person. Don't marry this person. But, like, you don't agree with any.
• 6:36
  Speaker A: Decision they ever make.
• 6:37
  Speaker B: Right. And they do it anyway. And she was that girl. Yeah. And you just have to, like, watch it on film.
• 6:42
  Speaker A: So are they still close?
• 6:43
  Speaker B: Yeah. But there was a big feud between Paige, Hannah and Amanda because Kyle and Hannah, also from Giggly Squad, got into, like, a big fall in her because.
• 6:56
  Speaker A: She doesn't agree with his actions.
• 6:57
  Speaker B: Yeah. And there was more to it. There's like a whole story behind it, but I don't really know it. Pop culture, we're learning.
• 7:03
  Speaker A: We're learning.
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  Speaker B: But now it's just like, Hannah's probably like, oh, my God. Like, now we can get Amanda on Giggly Squad, talk about everything. Everything Kyle was shitting about. I don't know.
• 7:16
  Speaker A: Do you think she. She is aware of the level of toxicity that Kyle brought to her or did. She was in denial and delusional and she had no idea how to talk About.
• 7:25
  Speaker B: No, I think Amanda got stuck. I think Amanda got stuck, which a lot. I think a lot of people do. I think she was already like, so far into this relationship. She kind of was comfortable. They built a life together, they built a brand together. And now, like, what, you're just gonna leave everything because you're not, you know, this guy is not right for you. Which, yes, she should, because she has a whole life to be happy. Right. And he's not gonna make her happy. So good for you, Amanda. We're here for you.
• 7:50
  Speaker A: Like, you're her best friend. I'm so happy that she got out of the relationship. That is my number one thing. And it's so hard to do to get out of a toxic relationship. But the fact that she was married. Thank God, before kids.
• 8:02
  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: I mean, it's harder when you have kids for sure. To get the divor and then walk away is huge. So bravo. No pun intended. To Amanda.
• 8:11
  Speaker B: Bravo. Okay, next. Beckham Family Feud.
• 8:18
  Speaker A: Wow. Did you see this?
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  Speaker B: I saw it, but I don't know that much about it.
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  Speaker A: You need to know that much about it.
• 8:23
  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: Okay, well, I did a deep dive on the Beckham family. Well, obviously, like, who doesn't love Victoria Beckham and David Beckham? I mean, they're like the it couple. She's just like. I feel like they're just in a such a good spotlight on, like online.
• 8:40
  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker A: That this was kind of almost a damper to their brand.
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  Speaker B: Yeah, well, that's what their Beckham brand, that's all they care about, apparently.
• 8:49
  Speaker A: Right. So I think we feel. I think, I think you know enough that we don't. We don't really see eye to eye on this.
• 8:57
  Speaker B: Anyway.
• 8:58
  Speaker A: Let me give you a rundown.
• 8:59
  Speaker B: Yeah. So basically, I feel bad for the kid. Always.
• 9:03
  Speaker A: You always do. Grow up.
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  Speaker B: Well, I'm just trying to put myself in the kids.
• 9:08
  Speaker A: So I just want to get to the point where. Okay, so obviously we're declaring this as a family feud. So basically, the Beckham's son, Brooklyn, came out with like an eight page public announcement. Public announcement on Instagram? Which one? Ridiculous. Immature. What?
• 9:30
  Speaker B: Like, what if he needs to get his voice out there and he needs.
• 9:34
  Speaker A: To tell the public to your parents front door.
• 9:36
  Speaker B: Maybe he tried. They're blocking him out. They. They blocked him on all social media.
• 9:40
  Speaker A: I'm not going to argue about this.
• 9:41
  Speaker B: We might.
• 9:42
  Speaker A: I mean, I just think family drama on Instagram is so pathetic and so toxic and such bullshit.
• 9:50
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 9:51
  Speaker A: I don't know. I'm at a fine line. Like, I Don't know who to believe. So basically, I'm sure everyone knows the story. There's been so many things going on with the Beckham family that the parents have been treating their son, Brooklyn, like shit. And now involving the wife and treating her like shit. And they have been for years. And then they just had a wedding. And I think her name is like Nicola. Nicola, right.
• 10:12
  Speaker B: E Coli Nicola.
• 10:14
  Speaker A: Yeah. She wanted to wear one of Victoria's dresses. And last minute, Victoria pulled out of it. So she had a last minute.
• 10:20
  Speaker B: Allegedly.
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  Speaker A: Allegedly. Find a job. I mean, find a dress. Right. Last minute. Which was like a huge thing I think recently that happened. And then at their wedding, instead of Brooklyn and Nicola having their first dance, Victoria stepped in and had a first dance with her son, which apparently was inappropriate.
• 10:36
  Speaker B: I don't know how much of that I believe, but, like, I mean, the.
• 10:39
  Speaker A: Tattoos are blowing up. I think he's like bullshitting about that dance. His whole thing is bullshit. So. Okay, let me backtrack. So obviously there's family food going on. He's saying that for years, her, his parents have been covering up with the press. The press has just been basically putting on an act for the Beckham family, saying you need to do this, this and this. You need to take a family photo here, here and here to cover up this and this.
• 11:02
  Speaker B: And he said that he was obeying it.
• 11:04
  Speaker A: Obeying it, going with it.
• 11:06
  Speaker B: And his brothers, whoever does it, then they're in good grace with the family.
• 11:09
  Speaker A: Correct. So that's basically the family feud. So he put out this eight page letter basically saying and outrighting all things that his parents have been doing. And okay, obviously there's some truth to it.
• 11:22
  Speaker B: Right. Obviously the wife wrote the whole thing.
• 11:25
  Speaker A: Obviously there's toxicity in this.
• 11:27
  Speaker B: Right.
• 11:28
  Speaker A: If it's going on social media, in my opinion, also, I don't not believe Brooklyn. I think there's obviously stuff going on. I mean, there. The Beckham family, there's. There's got to be family feud. If you're in the limelight.
• 11:41
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 11:41
  Speaker A: For that many years. I mean, your whole life.
• 11:43
  Speaker B: Right.
• 11:44
  Speaker A: And they have a lot of power, like you said. But I just feel like there's no. Like, once he put that eight page letter on social media, I was like, all right, like, we don't need to go as far as this. Just walk away. If it's that toxic for you and your wife and she did what she did at your wedding, what would you do? We are walking away from my family. No if, ands or buts. I don't need to tell social media because it's that deep for me, then I'm just going to walk away and if anybody has questions, I'll answer it.
• 12:14
  Speaker B: I could see that.
• 12:15
  Speaker A: So to me, Brooklyn, putting that post ops, I'm like made it more of a. Yeah, like you want attention. You are what you're. You say your parents are.
• 12:23
  Speaker B: Right.
• 12:24
  Speaker A: In my opinion.
• 12:24
  Speaker B: Yeah. I mean that's, that is what toxic relationships come to, like wanting attention.
• 12:30
  Speaker A: It doesn't have to be like relationships. It could be like family toxicity.
• 12:34
  Speaker B: Oh yeah. I mean there's ev. We, we could talk about friendships, family in laws. Also I'm sure that they're. I mean the mother in law. Having Victoria Beckham as your mother in law. Yeah, she does seem like a very like.
• 12:50
  Speaker A: Oh, totally.
• 12:51
  Speaker B: I'm sure she's a scary mother.
• 12:53
  Speaker A: I'm sure. But.
• 12:54
  Speaker B: But I don't know what kind of girl Nicole is. I mean to pull, if that's her.
• 12:58
  Speaker A: Name, a wedding dress out of someone's hands, I think is crazy. I don't, I don't, I don't. What do I know? Yeah, but I'm saying I don't know. I just feel like there's all levels of toxicity and that right there, I believe is the worst form of toxicity. Because in a relationship you can leave and never see the person again. I mean, I guess you could do that with family, but it hurts more because like they're your blood.
• 13:19
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 13:19
  Speaker A: I also walk away from family.
• 13:20
  Speaker B: I think that like you said before, there should be boundaries. Like even if you're the most fucking famous person in the world, boundaries should not be crossed. Where like the whole public needs to know all of your information.
• 13:31
  Speaker A: And what boundaries do you feel like the Beckham family crossed?
• 13:35
  Speaker B: I mean, just like who do you think crossed?
• 13:39
  Speaker A: I think.
• 13:39
  Speaker B: Well, I don't know that much about Victoria's side. Like what is Victoria actually saying about it?
• 13:43
  Speaker A: I also saw, I don't really know from her mouth, but I've seen like Victoria Beckham like dances like that. Always the dancing part of the wedding, that she was dancing inappropriately on her son, which is fucking weird. So why would her son even say.
• 13:54
  Speaker B: I'm waiting for that video?
• 13:56
  Speaker A: Yeah, Like I've seen dances she's danced with like her father, her grandfather or something and she dances like quirky and sexual kind of.
• 14:03
  Speaker B: So, so you just, he just used that against her. Okay. Like, like it wasn't like so far fetched if she maybe did that, but.
• 14:09
  Speaker A: It was like, that's weird. Like why would she do that in front of thousands of people or 500 people, he said.
• 14:13
  Speaker B: Right.
• 14:14
  Speaker A: But, but anyway, back to what I was asking you. Like, what do you think the boundaries were crossed? Like, on which side?
• 14:19
  Speaker B: I just think it's. It's all very public. Like, I like, because. And also you. Only you can believe what you see. Like, I, like I. I read. I saw something about the dance and like, Like I don't know Victoria's side. Like, I like, there's what you believe, what you say. So I don't really know that much about it.
• 14:36
  Speaker A: Yeah. It's like, how do we know that dance wasn't planned?
• 14:39
  Speaker B: Right.
• 14:40
  Speaker A: And he's just turning it around, saying I was supposed to dance with my wife. I mean, like, I want to hear from the guests.
• 14:45
  Speaker B: Right.
• 14:45
  Speaker A: The guest at the wedding. Phone a friend, let me know the actual.
• 14:48
  Speaker B: Right. Or like the wedding dress thing.
• 14:50
  Speaker A: Like information.
• 14:50
  Speaker B: They said that she, she wanted to wear Victoria's dress, but then she pulled the dress.
• 14:55
  Speaker A: And then last minute, at the 11th hour, that said kind of crazy. That's like so, I don't know, toxic if I've ever heard it. Anyway, that's our tea time and there's nothing else to say about that. If you have more information, let us know.
• 15:08
  Speaker B: Yeah. We're here for it. Our next.
• 15:11
  Speaker A: Wait, can you give us a. I feel like we should have said this. Like, we need a textbook definition of toxicity.
• 15:16
  Speaker B: Okay, I got one.
• 15:17
  Speaker A: You have one?
• 15:18
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 15:18
  Speaker A: Tell me.
• 15:19
  Speaker B: Okay. A toxic relationship is marked by ongoing patterns of unhealthy behavior. Like control, manipulation, disrespect or emotional harm that damage your well being over time. Did you understand that? And there are a lot of common signs in toxic relationships. Right. Like you have a constant conflict.
• 15:44
  Speaker A: Like conflict about anything.
• 15:46
  Speaker B: Yeah. Without any real resolution. Right. Like just. And it's like a vicious cycle.
• 15:51
  Speaker A: Yeah. All the obviously cheating, lying.
• 15:53
  Speaker B: Cheating, lying. Lack of dreadful trust.
• 15:55
  Speaker A: Lack of trust.
• 15:56
  Speaker B: Control. One person trying to control the other person. That's very toxic. Manipulation, guilt trapping.
• 16:03
  Speaker A: Walking on eggshells.
• 16:05
  Speaker B: Walking on eggshells.
• 16:06
  Speaker A: Like that's all fine line toxicity, which you might not realize.
• 16:09
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 16:09
  Speaker A: You feel drained, anxious all the time.
• 16:12
  Speaker B: Holding blame with no accountability.
• 16:14
  Speaker A: Jealousy.
• 16:15
  Speaker B: The jealousy.
• 16:18
  Speaker A: All right, so anyway, now that we gave you a fair definition of toxicity. Okay.
• 16:24
  Speaker B: Let's talk.
• 16:25
  Speaker A: Let's talk about the most toxic thing happening in 2026 at this given time.
• 16:33
  Speaker B: Tell me lies.
• 16:34
  Speaker A: Tell me lies. We have to just hit on this quickly. Why are we addicted to watching toxic people on tv?
• 16:42
  Speaker B: It's so fun.
• 16:43
  Speaker A: Why?
• 16:44
  Speaker B: I know why.
• 16:44
  Speaker A: Tell me why.
• 16:45
  Speaker B: Well, I know why I am, because I don't have it in my life, and I need it.
• 16:50
  Speaker A: Everybody needs a little bit of toxicity in their life. You just do. And I try to explain this to my husband, and he thinks I'm insane. I'm like, you just need a little bit.
• 16:58
  Speaker B: That's why you don't. It's why you watch tv. Because you don't want to marry to.
• 17:03
  Speaker A: The guy you don't want to marry.
• 17:04
  Speaker B: You want to marry the nice guy. You do.
• 17:09
  Speaker A: But everybody needs a healthy jealousy in their life. You just do.
• 17:13
  Speaker B: Yeah. Like, comment.
• 17:14
  Speaker A: And I'm waiting to see my husband come out because he said to me one day, he's like, you don't want to see it.
• 17:19
  Speaker B: Oh, you.
• 17:20
  Speaker A: Yeah, We've never had that life because we met during COVID and then we got married and we had a baby. We never had that, like, bar life.
• 17:26
  Speaker B: Right.
• 17:26
  Speaker A: When you go out to a bar and, like, you're like, you know.
• 17:28
  Speaker B: Yeah. So. So my husband.
• 17:30
  Speaker A: I are going to go to a bar.
• 17:32
  Speaker B: Go to a bar. Got a little jealous.
• 17:34
  Speaker A: Yeah. I want to feel it in my bones a little bit.
• 17:37
  Speaker B: Do you like the feeling of jealous?
• 17:39
  Speaker A: No, but I, you know me, I like a little bit of zenjal. Okay. My husband's gonna. I feel like he's like, eyes to the back of his head.
• 17:48
  Speaker B: I feel like.
• 17:49
  Speaker A: You like healthy. I like healthy jealousy. I'm not gonna use the word. The T word. I'm gonna use jealousy.
• 17:55
  Speaker B: You like healthy? Like, you like when the guy is jealous?
• 17:58
  Speaker A: Yeah, like healthy.
• 17:59
  Speaker B: But do you like. You don't like the feeling of you being jealous or you would like if your guy was chasing like.
• 18:05
  Speaker A: No, actually, I do like the feeling that my getting a little jealous because that just means, like, I have the hawkeye, and everybody wants the Hawkeye.
• 18:12
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 18:12
  Speaker A: So I do like hearing stories.
• 18:14
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 18:14
  Speaker A: But my husband hates to tell them. But just tell me about, like, he's.
• 18:18
  Speaker B: Like, you always ask him.
• 18:20
  Speaker A: I always ask him.
• 18:21
  Speaker B: I tell you.
• 18:22
  Speaker A: Yeah. And then I have to go to Emily, phone a friend, and she tells me the story, and then I get mad. Like, why would you tell me that?
• 18:28
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 18:29
  Speaker A: Raising his hand.
• 18:31
  Speaker B: I feel like sometimes he would like to. Jealousy also allows you to, like, not reignite that with your partner. But if it's like, oh, my God, I've got the hottest guy.
• 18:40
  Speaker A: Everyone's looking at that.
• 18:41
  Speaker B: Wait, I need to like.
• 18:43
  Speaker A: Yes, Comfortable.
• 18:45
  Speaker B: But also is toxic. Why does it take you.
• 18:48
  Speaker A: Yes. Toxic in the audience. Toxic Figure back.
• 18:51
  Speaker B: I don't know if anyone could have could hear him.
• 18:54
  Speaker A: Okay, so let's get into a little TV action. If you are alive in 2026, you're watching Tell Me Lies season four. Three just came out. Episode four just dropped. So if you have not watched episode four, turn down the podcast. Okay. So right now we're at a whole new level of toxicity. And Tell Me Lies. Okay.
• 19:19
  Speaker B: Yeah. I love when people are watching. Like, we have group chats about it, and I think most of the public might feel this way, that, like, everybody has a Steven DeMars.
• 19:30
  Speaker A: I never had a Steven DeMarco type of toxicity.
• 19:34
  Speaker B: Well, I mean, his level is very.
• 19:36
  Speaker A: His is scary. Yeah, well, he should be arrested.
• 19:39
  Speaker B: He should be in a scene. Asylum. Yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker A: But so right now we're at a level of Stephen in the show that I'm not for. Like, I love the toxicity of the show, but now it's getting to the point where I'm like, all right, yeah, he's being crossed the line for me. Crossed the line.
• 19:57
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 19:58
  Speaker A: Now we introduce a new character, Alex, who I am obsessed with his level. Okay. Now people are gonna think I'm insane. I love his level of toxicity. I think it's so hot. He obviously has a damaged past, and he, I think, is a part of the toxic level of that whole situation. I don't think it's Lucy. I think it's Alex wanting that type of.
• 20:23
  Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it's sexual. I think they're. They're both gonna feed on each other, but he definitely is.
• 20:29
  Speaker A: This new episode showed that it's definitely.
• 20:32
  Speaker B: Like, he was into her. He was.
• 20:35
  Speaker A: At first, I thought it was like Lucy just wanting the.
• 20:38
  Speaker B: That kind of attention.
• 20:40
  Speaker A: Attention, but now I think he's so fucked up that. I mean, the part in the show where she had to go apologize to Max and then said sorry, that he picked up his jacket and walked out, almost fainted on the floor. It was so toxic and hot.
• 20:54
  Speaker B: Yeah, that was. Was really hot.
• 20:56
  Speaker A: That was so hot.
• 20:56
  Speaker B: He did what she asked, and now they're gonna go bang in the back like crazy.
• 21:00
  Speaker A: So do you think it was the I'm sorry part that turned him on or that he controlled what she did?
• 21:07
  Speaker B: Oh, controlled what? What? Oh, really? Yeah.
• 21:11
  Speaker A: See, in my head, I think I thought, like, this is where my mind went. He had such a damaged past. Damaged past that his people that destroyed him never said sorry. So he's hearing it from her and liking it. So it's kind of, like, toxic.
• 21:24
  Speaker B: Well, that is true, because when they were fucking and she was like, I'm sorry, and he was like, say it again. Yeah, right, Sorry. I'm sorry. That really got him going.
• 21:32
  Speaker A: Yelled out in the car like I was breaking her back. Yeah, yeah. Whole level of toxic. But now we're finding out about the whole Breen Wrigley thing. Obviously their level of. See, there's so many levels of toxicity. Like, Steven toxicity. Don't want you, Alex toxicity.
• 21:49
  Speaker B: His is psycho. His is actually, like, psycho.
• 21:52
  Speaker A: He needs to go to psych.
• 21:53
  Speaker B: Yeah. But Alex toxic Stevens all stems from his childhood. And his mother. His mother was very abusive emotionally to him. I mean, you see it on, like, a phone call. You see little glimpse of, like, him being like, mom, I actually am not doing well. I really need to come home. And she's like, no, right. Maybe not.
• 22:13
  Speaker A: I think he's being sincere. Like, he actually wants. Come on.
• 22:15
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 22:15
  Speaker A: I think he had a motive there.
• 22:16
  Speaker B: Yeah. Like, I think you see, like, he. He. He obviously was troubled as a kid and had a lot of issues with his own family. And every time, like, something like that happens, you see him, like, want to do something else. Like, you saw him pick up his laptop and, like, try to do something, destroy Lucy's life.
• 22:36
  Speaker A: So he was just hurt because he's hurting.
• 22:37
  Speaker B: Yeah, he's hurting. He needs to hurt someone else.
• 22:39
  Speaker A: Right. And.
• 22:41
  Speaker B: And that's so fucking toxic.
• 22:43
  Speaker A: So toxic. But I also think, like, Bree's finding out who because she keeps saying and reiterating that she doesn't know who she is. She doesn't know what her childhood was like. Like, I think we're about to fuck around and find out how toxic Brie is too.
• 22:56
  Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
• 22:57
  Speaker A: I mean, she's marrying someone while being in love with someone else toxic.
• 23:01
  Speaker B: So. Yeah, but she is, like, what kind.
• 23:04
  Speaker A: Of toxicity is that?
• 23:05
  Speaker B: I don't know the name, but she. You know what she's doing? She's marrying the good guy. She's marrying the guy who wants that. She wants the perfect picket fence marriage, which Evan would probably give her because he does seem like such a nice guy. But really, I'm sure she's fucking around on him with. I don't know who right now, but, I mean, in the past it was Wrigley. I'm sure it's gonna lead up to that.
• 23:28
  Speaker A: It's Wrigley.
• 23:28
  Speaker B: Yeah, but. Right. Cause.
• 23:30
  Speaker A: Cause the last scene in the episode, he says, I'm pretending I'm in love with you, Pippa.
• 23:34
  Speaker B: Oh, that was heartbreaking.
• 23:35
  Speaker A: Heartbreaking. And then Steven, here we go, hassling over Brie again, picks up Wrigley's phone And sees all the phone calls to Brie.
• 23:41
  Speaker B: Could we just talk about for one second how fucked up it was that Steven made Lucy on video?
• 23:50
  Speaker A: No, that's where I, that's where I lost my vote. That's where I lost no longer happen.
• 23:54
  Speaker B: I could, I could. I like even like in the, in the earlier episodes when he like would like start like, like really messing with her and then just like leave her like that. Like that, that could have been like a little bit hot.
• 24:06
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 24:07
  Speaker B: Like away. But then when you do the sit.
• 24:09
  Speaker A: Down video, forcing people to do things.
• 24:11
  Speaker B: Forcing somebody to say something that they didn't do on video. Like a hostage.
• 24:18
  Speaker A: Yeah, like a hostage.
• 24:19
  Speaker B: It was, it was not hot. Creepy. Yeah.
• 24:21
  Speaker A: And the conversation with Diana and Lucy and Diana was like, how do you, how does someone force you to do that? And in your head you're like, yeah, how does. But then you're like, when Lucy was in the situation, she had no choice. It's like, do you just outright say I, my best friend's boyfriend or do.
• 24:37
  Speaker B: You in that moment? I, I, I think, I don't know. Cause I wasn't in the moment. But I think I would rather tell my friend that I fucked the boyfriend. I would.
• 24:45
  Speaker A: You would.
• 24:46
  Speaker B: But me too.
• 24:46
  Speaker A: I hate lying through all of that.
• 24:48
  Speaker B: Like, obviously it'll ruin their relationship. It'll. But like they could.
• 24:51
  Speaker A: I just think people who were so toxic. I mean, Steven's a different case. But never actually go through what they're saying.
• 24:58
  Speaker B: Like she's.
• 24:58
  Speaker A: He was never gonna tell Bri that. I mean, Steven, I'm saying in general. You know what I mean?
• 25:04
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker A: People who like our frauds. Like that. But Steven, he would. But I'm saying like, if anybody else were to say like, I'm going to tell your best friend that you fucked her boyfriend, like no one would actually go through with that.
• 25:15
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 25:15
  Speaker A: That kind of puts you in a. Like the messenger always gets shot.
• 25:17
  Speaker B: Yeah. But unless you want to. If you're really trying to ruin someone's.
• 25:20
  Speaker A: Life, I feel like, yeah, I guess toxicity just. I can't get on that level.
• 25:24
  Speaker B: You've been through it.
• 25:25
  Speaker A: I know. Okay, well, should we get into real life stories?
• 25:28
  Speaker B: Yeah. I think with Enough with that consumes me. No, it's like a real red flag. Like every episode is just like, what are they gonna do next?
• 25:36
  Speaker A: I know.
• 25:37
  Speaker B: I, I've watched like, like predictions. Have you seen like crazy predictions on Tick Tock? Yeah. And it's like, I don't like if they're gonna go that far of some of those things.
• 25:48
  Speaker A: It's like some girl was like, I just tell your friend you her boyfriend. Why?
• 25:52
  Speaker B: Being recorded?
• 25:53
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker B: Oh, my God. That's crazy.
• 25:55
  Speaker A: No, crazy.
• 25:56
  Speaker B: All right, let's talk about real life stories.
• 25:57
  Speaker A: I. I have to go down memory lane.
• 25:59
  Speaker B: You have to go down memory lane? I'm gonna talk about a friend that I have that went through something about.
• 26:04
  Speaker A: The fact that you have no toxic ex. I'm kind of happy for you.
• 26:07
  Speaker B: Why don't. I. I kind of want one.
• 26:10
  Speaker A: Okay, well, let me put my marriage on hold and go find a toxic ex.
• 26:13
  Speaker B: No, it's just, like, there's something about it that's exciting but also, like, damaging. Damn. I mean, so damaging.
• 26:19
  Speaker A: That's probably why you're not damaged. I don't know. That's probably why you don't look into anything in your relationship with your husband, because you never had a. Someone ruin your life. You never had a man ruin your life.
• 26:32
  Speaker B: I guess not. I mean, I. I really.
• 26:34
  Speaker A: I mean, me and Rebecca talked about it, like. And I always felt bad thinking about it, but, like, I kind of still think about things. And, yeah, our social media manager, like, we were talking about it on our meeting. She kind of does, too. Like, she's like, when I. My ex pops up on Instagram, my butthole clenches. She had me dying my buttholes clutch. That was hilarious.
• 26:50
  Speaker B: But, like, you get those trolls.
• 26:52
  Speaker A: Me, my friend, talk about it, too, sometimes. Like, you just. You have three loves in your life. Like, you have a toxic love, you have a real love. You have, like, a kid love. And, like, I had all those. Like, I have a real love now, which is my husband. I had a toxic love, and I had, like, a kid love.
• 27:07
  Speaker B: Wait, so what if you haven't had all those? Does that mean my life is gonna start?
• 27:10
  Speaker A: Like, maybe, like, you'll get them in later in life. Oh, my God.
• 27:14
  Speaker B: All right, toxicology.
• 27:15
  Speaker A: I don't know what's worse. Like, toxicity, like, back in high school, or toxicity. Like, when you're, like, in a marriage?
• 27:19
  Speaker B: No, I think in a marriage because, like, it'll blow up your whole life. And when you're younger, it's like. It's like a different level of, like. Because also, you're just, like, immature and you're. You kind of. You're. And you're vulnerable. Like, you just don't really know. Like, especially, I think, when we'll talk about your situation, like, you kind of didn't know anything better or different.
• 27:41
  Speaker A: And I haven't thought about it until you made me Talk about it.
• 27:43
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 27:43
  Speaker A: Today. But I feel. Yeah, I guess your brain's not fully developed.
• 27:47
  Speaker B: Right? Yeah.
• 27:48
  Speaker A: I cannot believe I'm going down memory lane.
• 27:50
  Speaker B: I know. Okay, before we get into you, I want to talk about this story of Cassandra, my nanny.
• 27:56
  Speaker A: So she's allowing you to outright say it because these.
• 28:00
  Speaker B: She's. She picked like, her top. She was in a really toxic relationship when she was 14 years old.
• 28:06
  Speaker A: This is your babysitter.
• 28:07
  Speaker B: This is my babysitter, your nanny. And so she met this guy when she was 15 years old and she was 14, and they stayed together for two years. And this guy actually put her into a psych hospital. That's how toxic he was.
• 28:19
  Speaker A: Like, were her arms crossed like she was.
• 28:22
  Speaker B: She went crazy because of him. Yeah. Okay. These are just three examples, like, crazy examples that he would do to her. I feel so bad for her, Sin.
• 28:30
  Speaker A: I actually feel so bad. Is this why she's like so, like, to herself?
• 28:33
  Speaker B: I don't know. Yeah, I guess things make you the person that you are, right, when you go through things. But she, like, seems very grounded, very, like, she definitely has a show. I mean, she has a great relationship now with her fiance. Like, she's, she's, she's good. But she said these are some funny and crazy examples of what this guy would do to her, which I think are very relatable to a younger generation. I need to hear this. Okay.
• 28:54
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 28:54
  Speaker B: She goes. When we would get into fights, he would text me these really sincere messages and really open up. And I didn't find out until years later that he was actually texting me rap lyrics. And none of it was his own words. So he was just texting her, like, random rap lyrics that were like, very like lovey dovey. And now to this day, she's really paranoid that people aren't really texting her the real thing, that they're like making up lyrics to songs or stuff like that. How fucking toxic is that?
• 29:23
  Speaker A: That's like, next level.
• 29:25
  Speaker B: That's really bad. Okay, then this one's even worse. When I tried to move on from him, he tried to fight the guy and then proceeded to write a song about me on Soundcloud and had our whole school walk through the hall singing the lyrics that he wrote in the Soundcloud. And the lyrics were, let me tell you about this bitch, her name Cassandra, blah, blah, blah, she fucked my friend like that. And she just walked through the halls and people would be singing the song.
• 29:50
  Speaker A: Did she live in a movie?
• 29:53
  Speaker B: Yeah, she lived in some weird ass town in Like, Pennsylvania. Like, oh, this one's really bad. When we would fight, he would text my mom before I had a chance to talk to my mom, and he would tell her I was being crazy and accusing him of doing things because I was jealous. So he would. So the guy would get to the mom before she was able to talk to him.
• 30:12
  Speaker A: I wouldn't believe him. And I. Yeah.
• 30:14
  Speaker B: Yeah, I guess. And the whole entire time, he was cheating on her with, like, a million different girls, and she just, like, now in life. I don't know. It's a good question, but I feel like those are, like, examples of, like, people could relate to, like, those things.
• 30:28
  Speaker A: Or, like, you could miss them.
• 30:30
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:31
  Speaker A: Like, those are, to me, toxic traits that people miss.
• 30:34
  Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, and also, his mom would threaten to fight her because the mom was, like, weirdly incestual with the boy. Like, like, kind of like. Yeah, his mom. So, like, his mom was, like, so in love with him, and she would fight Cassandra because of their relationship.
• 30:52
  Speaker A: Cassandra.
• 30:52
  Speaker B: I don't know if it was fist fight, but, like, probably.
• 30:55
  Speaker A: What?
• 30:55
  Speaker B: Probably word fight. Yeah. Isn't that crazy?
• 30:58
  Speaker A: Crazy, Yeah. I mean, she's happy, though.
• 31:01
  Speaker B: Yeah, she's happy. She's good. But those are just, like, relationships that make you or break you. And she got out.
• 31:07
  Speaker A: She was young.
• 31:07
  Speaker B: She was 14.
• 31:08
  Speaker A: Yeah, young.
• 31:09
  Speaker B: Yeah. Let's talk about you. How old were you? First toxic relationship.
• 31:13
  Speaker A: Oh, my God. My first love.
• 31:16
  Speaker B: Mike Fiore.
• 31:17
  Speaker A: No, don't say his name. We're gonna cut that out. I don't think we should say his name.
• 31:22
  Speaker B: Just say his name. Wait, your first love?
• 31:24
  Speaker A: Okay, okay. My first love.
• 31:28
  Speaker B: Were you actually in love with him?
• 31:30
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 31:31
  Speaker B: And you were. I mean, love at a young age.
• 31:33
  Speaker A: Love is whatever you think it is.
• 31:34
  Speaker B: Love is blind.
• 31:35
  Speaker A: Love is blind. So I can't go through some.
• 31:38
  Speaker B: He was so hot.
• 31:39
  Speaker A: He was.
• 31:40
  Speaker B: She just showed me a picture of him. He was, like, the type of guy.
• 31:43
  Speaker A: That I made him. He has all the friends he has probably because of me.
• 31:46
  Speaker B: So you hear that. You know who you are.
• 31:48
  Speaker A: It's so funny, because I feel like multiple men, if they ever hear this, which they probably won't, will think it's about them, and it's only about certain person.
• 31:55
  Speaker B: Oh, that's so funny. He made. He made you. Honey, he was, like, five years older than you.
• 32:01
  Speaker A: Yeah, true. No, he wasn't five. He was three. Still, at a young age, it's like. I mean, now does it matter? But when you're young, like, that, it matters.
• 32:07
  Speaker B: Oh, it matters.
• 32:08
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 32:09
  Speaker B: The maturity level So I was 13.
• 32:11
  Speaker A: When I met him. I turned 14, so. But you have to remember, I was old for my age. I had older cousins. I was very mature. Like, I knew mature.
• 32:18
  Speaker B: She had a. She looked like her haircut looked like a mom hairdresser haircut. She just looked like an old goof.
• 32:26
  Speaker A: Was it back then.
• 32:28
  Speaker B: She had a perfect blowout at all times.
• 32:29
  Speaker A: I can't. I did. But if you were in my life at that time, you know how damaging this relationship was. I texted about four or five people that, like, some of them being my cousins, some of them being my friends.
• 32:44
  Speaker B: And instantly, like, she just texted them now to give us deets on.
• 32:47
  Speaker A: Yeah. And instantly they told some of the things.
• 32:50
  Speaker B: Brought them right back.
• 32:50
  Speaker A: Yeah, right back. And it. Word for word of what I told you.
• 32:53
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 32:54
  Speaker A: So I was with this guy that I. My mom was friends with the mom, so we would go on vacation together. And I met him. I was still wearing granny panties. Like, I was not in a thong yet. I transformed to a thong.
• 33:06
  Speaker B: Did he have thoughts about that?
• 33:08
  Speaker A: I mean, I definitely moved to a thong quicker because I was embarrassed. So my mom's friend, Granny Panty took me to Victoria's Secret. We bought thongs.
• 33:15
  Speaker B: Okay. For her son.
• 33:16
  Speaker A: Yeah. And I remember, like, putting on a thong and, like, putting on pants and being like, oh, my God, he's gonna love this. Toxic. And that was, like, my first thing. And then obviously, he was older, and I didn't know anything else but this type of love. Like, he taught me a lot of the things, like, I guess now that I didn't want in a relationship, but we weren't necessarily boyfriend, girlfriend. But, like, everybody knew Dominique and Blank were a thing.
• 33:43
  Speaker B: Right.
• 33:44
  Speaker A: Everybody knew it was just a toxic relationship that everybody knew about. Everybody in my life didn't want any part of me because they didn't want to get involved with this guy.
• 33:53
  Speaker B: And you needed him to be obsessed with you at all times.
• 33:55
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 33:55
  Speaker B: No matter what.
• 33:56
  Speaker A: And he was obsessed with me.
• 33:57
  Speaker B: Right. Until he was also begging everyone else. Yeah.
• 33:59
  Speaker A: And, like, doing a million things. And, like, I didn't know any better. Like, at that age, you don't. You just think he's obsessed with you? Plus, I was. We were at an age where no one worked, so we were down the shore at all times of the day, Monday through Sunday. And he was. We were just together all the time to be alive. We were together all the time.
• 34:18
  Speaker B: Right.
• 34:18
  Speaker A: So, I mean, there was good parts to it. Like, we had fun.
• 34:20
  Speaker B: He, like.
• 34:21
  Speaker A: He had a great personality. Like, we had Fun together. But this is where the toxicity hits. We would fight so much. Imagine fighting at 14, 15 years old in that's middle school, going into freshman year, high school. At the point where he was in my phone, I had a cell phone in high school. Obviously he was in my phone as. Do not answer.
• 34:39
  Speaker B: That's hysterical.
• 34:40
  Speaker A: He would manipulate and of course it'd.
• 34:42
  Speaker B: Come up and she'd be like, hello.
• 34:44
  Speaker A: Yeah, I remember being in chemistry class and like looking down at my phone in my bag and seeing do not answer. And I'm like, oh my God. He texted me. I'll text my friends. Like, oh my God. So and so texted me.
• 34:54
  Speaker B: So it's like that feeling that like rush.
• 34:56
  Speaker A: Oh my God, I miss it. So anyway, manipulation was huge. Like he would show that he was so in love and obsessed with me, but meanwhile, probably had. Did have secret relationships behind my back. And I would hear about it like grown like at that age, I was so little. And he'd like grown up relationships, like with a girl that like used to like hit him during sex. And to me, like now I'm like, oh yeah, sexy. But like back then I was like, oh my God, he was being hit during sex. Like, what do you mean? Like he was fully with this older girl while I was with him and like having sex. And like I. You were probably wasn't at that level with him. So like I was like, oh my God. Like I was so upset because, like, yeah, toxic.
• 35:38
  Speaker B: So anyway, I'm surprised you didn't give it up.
• 35:40
  Speaker A: Give it up? Oh no, I did not give it up. I knew I was like too young for that.
• 35:44
  Speaker B: Oh, wow. Good for you.
• 35:46
  Speaker A: Thank you. Later on though. Toxic. Still manipulated. So anyway, I mean, there were so many red flags with him. I mean, he obviously manipulated me. I was. He never by any means did anything without me. What's that word? Without me? Consent.
• 36:02
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 36:03
  Speaker A: Without my consent?
• 36:04
  Speaker B: No. You were fully fucking consenting.
• 36:06
  Speaker A: I was fully consenting. But that itself, like looking back, I was like, as a mom, like, I would not allow that. I mean, my parents wanted to kill me, but my mom wanted the involvement because she knew the family and she knew him and there was no danger there. But she had involvement because you want to as mom have involvement. So you know, like the boundaries.
• 36:26
  Speaker B: Yeah. I feel like you want to be in. So, you know. Yeah.
• 36:28
  Speaker A: So like she. I mean we were.
• 36:30
  Speaker B: You don't have such a problem like raising me too.
• 36:32
  Speaker A: Me too. And we'll go on the mom's side of this, but let me just finish like, the toxicity of it. Like, I mean, it was so bad to the point. Like one time in Bahamas, my cousin just relayed the message to me, reminding me that it was like the whole thing of Natalee Holloway in Bahamas where.
• 36:49
  Speaker B: She just went missing. Oh my God.
• 36:50
  Speaker A: And then I go missing in Bahamas with this kid. My mother threw a suitcase at my head. Okay. It was so bad and I can't imagine as a mom what she was going through. 3am they finally found me on a lounge chair with this kid, like asleep.
• 37:02
  Speaker B: And your mom sent out a search party.
• 37:04
  Speaker A: Sent out a search party. Cops, security, hotel security. Everybody and their mother were looking for Dominique. And this kid found us on a lounge chair at 3 o' clock in the morning, just sleeping, dead. I was locked in my room until further notice. My dad flew out to Bahamas, beat the shit out. It was bad. He didn't actually beat the shit out of me, but like, I was scared of my father. I was like, he will never forgive me for this. That's how toxic he made me.
• 37:27
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 37:28
  Speaker A: Like, picture me now. Picture me now never being toxicized like that. So anyway, and this even like future, like so later on in life, like he was still throwing in toxic towards me. Like throwing in trying to use me, trying to use my family and I. And I was roped back in.
• 37:48
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 37:49
  Speaker A: Because I loved the toxic relationship he gave me. That's foul.
• 37:53
  Speaker B: You loved the attention he gave you. You love.
• 37:56
  Speaker A: I mean, he was my first ever love. Like I didn't know anything but him. So I just wasn't that sad. He was my first kiss. Like, he was my first everything.
• 38:04
  Speaker B: It's. I mean, it's a little sad that like your first everything was. Was so toxic that like looking back. But do you think that it made you into like the person that you are or do you think that you kind of just like black.
• 38:16
  Speaker A: It made me into the person that I am because I.
• 38:18
  Speaker B: You don't.
• 38:19
  Speaker A: Don't want to be that person. I don't want to have that guy in my life also. Like, he turned out to be like.
• 38:24
  Speaker B: Such a. I mean, is he a good guy now or.
• 38:28
  Speaker A: I mean, I don't know anything about him. I shouldn't say loser, but I just say like, not the guy that I.
• 38:33
  Speaker B: Would not know personally.
• 38:36
  Speaker A: I just feel like, what other toxic things did he do? Like, I can't think it was so long ago, but I mean, he tried to kiss one of my friends at the. At my house, at one of my brother's parties. Like toxic. And then like try to turn it on me.
• 38:49
  Speaker B: Yeah, that's.
• 38:50
  Speaker A: And I didn't walk away.
• 38:51
  Speaker B: Right. You. You came back for more.
• 38:53
  Speaker A: Came back for way more.
• 38:54
  Speaker B: You said. You got on your knees and said.
• 38:56
  Speaker A: I mean, having someone in your phone as do not answer is crazy work.
• 38:59
  Speaker B: Remember? I actually had my mom one time as do not answer when you're drunk. Like, so I remember not to answer her when I was.
• 39:06
  Speaker A: Oh, that's kind of funny. Not you comparing toxic ex.
• 39:10
  Speaker B: No, my.
• 39:10
  Speaker A: My mom.
• 39:11
  Speaker B: My mom.
• 39:11
  Speaker A: But, yeah, I mean, everybody in my life knows, knew and knows now that he was, like, so toxic. But we had such a fun relationship that it was like. The toxicity was, like.
• 39:21
  Speaker B: It was fun.
• 39:22
  Speaker A: It kind of. You kind of forgot about it, and that's what happened. You forgot about it because you think the good outweighs the bad, and it just doesn't.
• 39:27
  Speaker B: Right.
• 39:28
  Speaker A: You'd never want to marry the toxic guy.
• 39:30
  Speaker B: No. And how do we make our kids not the toxic guy and also not the girl who wants the toxic guy?
• 39:36
  Speaker A: Yeah, like, I. I know. Like, my mom just needed me to go through that. Like, I just.
• 39:39
  Speaker B: Yeah, like, that's, like, another thing. Like, I think that sometimes you need to, like, experience these things. So you. But, like, how do you not get damaged?
• 39:46
  Speaker A: I could never have my daughter do that. Oh, my God.
• 39:49
  Speaker B: But your mom would say the same thing. But, like, no, I wonder why.
• 39:53
  Speaker A: My mother.
• 39:55
  Speaker B: Heart attack. I would die.
• 39:57
  Speaker A: No, she did die. Like, she literally died and came back to life.
• 40:00
  Speaker B: She threw a suitcase at you.
• 40:01
  Speaker A: At my head.
• 40:02
  Speaker B: She killed you.
• 40:03
  Speaker A: Killed me. No, it was a scary time. I actually was afraid of her. And, like, it was like, I don't ever want my mother to ever feel like that again. Back then, I didn't care about my perspective.
• 40:13
  Speaker B: Right.
• 40:13
  Speaker A: I cared about me being in trouble and, like, feeling bad that I did that to my mom.
• 40:16
  Speaker B: No, but you probably cared about how you weren't about to spend the next night with him because you were grounded.
• 40:20
  Speaker A: And we were in Texas. Bahamas.
• 40:22
  Speaker B: Oh. Cause, you know, service.
• 40:24
  Speaker A: Yeah. And.
• 40:25
  Speaker B: Oh, that was probably a sad trip for a mother.
• 40:27
  Speaker A: I feel so bad for her.
• 40:29
  Speaker B: But did you actually feel bad for her at the time, or did you hate her for grounding you?
• 40:32
  Speaker A: Fast forward. I hated her for grounding me. Right, Right. Because I don't understand, like, why you care. I'm here, right? You found me.
• 40:40
  Speaker B: You found me. I'm alive. Yeah. I am.
• 40:42
  Speaker A: Later on in life, this kid, like, as adults, like, I was, like, 21, 22, dated one of my best friends for a while, and damaged her.
• 40:51
  Speaker B: No Way.
• 40:51
  Speaker A: Yeah. For a while. Destroyed her. And I feel so bad for her. She was. And I saw firsthand. And he didn't do this to me, but he would.
• 41:03
  Speaker B: So he was just a toxic person. Yeah.
• 41:05
  Speaker A: But her. The toxic she got was like, you're fat, you're ugly. You're like, that kind of.
• 41:10
  Speaker B: You didn't get that toxic.
• 41:12
  Speaker A: No, I was too young for that.
• 41:13
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 41:14
  Speaker A: I mean, she was old enough to, like. Yeah. And I. Like, that's toxic.
• 41:17
  Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
• 41:18
  Speaker A: Yeah. They did it for a while.
• 41:19
  Speaker B: Well, there. There's. There's toxic, and then there's also, like, emotional abuse.
• 41:23
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 41:24
  Speaker B: Physical. She was at all used by her.
• 41:26
  Speaker A: Mentally.
• 41:27
  Speaker B: Yeah. Like, in. Tell me about that.
• 41:30
  Speaker A: Like, I saw him in a real relationship, like, on the outside with someone else that I was close with.
• 41:35
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 41:35
  Speaker A: Crazy.
• 41:35
  Speaker B: But were you. Were you, like, a little bit jealous that she was?
• 41:39
  Speaker A: No. But she did, like, have to, like, sit me down, like, tell me, like, this is the case. But, like, I was so young.
• 41:46
  Speaker B: It was just like, anywhere. Like, it was, like, so far.
• 41:47
  Speaker A: I mean, it was kind of. At the time, I was like, this is not right. Like, that you're being with him because you were.
• 41:56
  Speaker B: Or just because, you know, I was.
• 41:57
  Speaker A: And she, like, was with, like. She was like. She's my closest person to me. You know, Think about it. It's weird.
• 42:03
  Speaker B: It's weird. Yeah.
• 42:05
  Speaker A: But then you just are, like.
• 42:06
  Speaker B: Were you concerned for her?
• 42:07
  Speaker A: No.
• 42:08
  Speaker B: Oh.
• 42:09
  Speaker A: I didn't think he was toxic back then.
• 42:12
  Speaker B: Oh, so even still, you didn't think he was toxic as a. I just thought he was an asshole.
• 42:17
  Speaker A: Like, in my head, he was just an asshole.
• 42:18
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 42:19
  Speaker A: Yeah. I think at one point, he was in my phone as poor damn it, soul. Yeah. Like, I have so much to talk about. But anyway, that's my toxic story.
• 42:27
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 42:27
  Speaker A: And honestly, I. I wish him well. And he looks like he's happy now. I don't know much about his life.
• 42:33
  Speaker B: But still kind of hot.
• 42:34
  Speaker A: You ruined mine.
• 42:35
  Speaker B: No, I think I need to go have a toxic relationship.
• 42:41
  Speaker A: No, you're not missing anything. So, anyway, do you have any thoughts?
• 42:46
  Speaker B: I have a lot of thoughts. I. I know, like, as a kid being in a relationship like that, it probably feels like the biggest. Like, it's just like, your whole world. Because, I mean, he was my whole world. Yeah, he was your whole world. But, like, that is concerning because you probably ruin relationships around you. Totally. AKA your mom, your parents were mad. I'm sure you lost friends. Your brother.
• 43:09
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker B: Like, people would probably try to warn you. Like, he's not good for you.
• 43:13
  Speaker A: And you're like, this is kid that really liked me.
• 43:16
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 43:17
  Speaker A: This kid stepped in when I was dating him and, like, ruined that for me. Yeah. Like, so many things.
• 43:22
  Speaker B: Fist fights. You want guys. Oh.
• 43:24
  Speaker A: And then my. It got to the point where, like, my family was fighting with him, like, physically. And I'm like, okay, this is too much.
• 43:29
  Speaker B: Oh, no.
• 43:30
  Speaker A: Yeah, because this kid stole my phone one night and so my cousin beat the shit out of him.
• 43:35
  Speaker B: Wow.
• 43:35
  Speaker A: Yeah. Bad. It got bad.
• 43:37
  Speaker B: I think I would like guys fighting over me. Like, actual fist fighting over me.
• 43:41
  Speaker A: I wanted your family.
• 43:42
  Speaker B: I think I'd like it. I don't really have family like that.
• 43:47
  Speaker A: Oh, Um. Not him coming out, asking which cousin. All right, well, that's my story. Anything else?
• 44:01
  Speaker B: Yeah, anyone like this, I think toxic relationships now with technology, like, could be.
• 44:10
  Speaker A: Destroy your life.
• 44:11
  Speaker B: Destroy your life. Like.
• 44:12
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
• 44:12
  Speaker B: Like, screenshot back then. No. Yeah. Oh, my God, the receipts. Oh, God, the receipts. You could have. These days, you cannot.
• 44:19
  Speaker A: You couldn't think about it. You couldn't. Screenshot.
• 44:21
  Speaker B: I remember with my girlfriends, we would three way do the three way call where like, you don't know the other person's on the phone.
• 44:27
  Speaker A: That is toxic.
• 44:28
  Speaker B: Toxic. No, it was so bad.
• 44:29
  Speaker A: You kind of did that to me when. With you know who. Oh, you didn't want to do it.
• 44:35
  Speaker B: No, I couldn't do it.
• 44:36
  Speaker A: Yeah. It was not toxic anymore.
• 44:38
  Speaker B: I'm not toxic. No. But that's, like, mean. That's like, really toxic.
• 44:41
  Speaker A: Mean. There's so many.
• 44:42
  Speaker B: There's so many also different versions of, like, you can have toxic girlfriend relationships.
• 44:46
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
• 44:46
  Speaker B: Like, really toxic. Where you gotta get out.
• 44:48
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 44:49
  Speaker B: In mom groups there could be toxicity. Totally. Like, mom cliques that you don't want to be a part of. That is toxic.
• 44:57
  Speaker A: Yeah, totally.
• 44:59
  Speaker B: Even in schools I'm seeing now, like, administratives, like, there's. There's toxic things there. It's like, I don't want any part of that.
• 45:07
  Speaker A: Like, everyone just feel like I will not be a part of.
• 45:11
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 45:11
  Speaker A: My kids.
• 45:12
  Speaker B: Going forward.
• 45:12
  Speaker A: School.
• 45:13
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 45:14
  Speaker A: Situation. Don't test my. Don't. Don't test me.
• 45:18
  Speaker B: Yeah. Because it's. It's. It's a lot.
• 45:21
  Speaker A: And have you experienced any toxicity in, like, a mom group? Or you're like, okay, this person's toxic, but, like, I'm not that close to her, so it doesn't matter.
• 45:28
  Speaker B: Not really yet. But I could see, like, things trending. Like, I could see how it could be. Or like, with my girlfriends who have mom friends, like, I see. I could see it trending that way.
• 45:39
  Speaker A: Oh, my God. Fuck that shit.
• 45:41
  Speaker B: I don't have time for that. No, I'm too worried about, like, my kids going missing. It's my three year old humping the pillow. Too much. Toxic.
• 45:52
  Speaker A: Oh, my God. Okay, well, enough about that because it's. I'm.
• 45:56
  Speaker B: It's.
• 45:56
  Speaker A: This is draining me.
• 45:57
  Speaker B: Yeah, I know. It is draining.
• 45:59
  Speaker A: Oh, should we get into something lighter? Like, what's worth our time in life?
• 46:02
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 46:02
  Speaker A: Want me to go first or you want to go?
• 46:04
  Speaker B: Um, you go first.
• 46:06
  Speaker A: So I am not a big IKEA fan because, like, who wants to put together an IKEA furniture? But I saw this mama. I saw this mom on TikTok.
• 46:16
  Speaker B: Big Bessie out there.
• 46:17
  Speaker A: Big Bessie. I saw this mom on TikTok. I've been sitting like a fat lord in this whole podcast. I saw his mom on TikTok order IKEA bins. Game changer. Worth my time there. I'll share the link in this post.
• 46:31
  Speaker B: Make sure you share it. Okay.
• 46:32
  Speaker A: IKEA bins, all different sizes. I have deep drawers, and I'm so sick of reaching up for my son's plates or cups or forks or knives to. So I put these IKEA bins organized in my drawer, and I organized my cups, my plates, my forks, my straws, my lids. And with my time, is it of.
• 46:51
  Speaker B: The height where, like, he can go in the drawer and get it or. Not yet?
• 46:54
  Speaker A: Yeah, but.
• 46:54
  Speaker B: But, like, he doesn't do that yet.
• 46:55
  Speaker A: Yeah, he hasn't really. He does it, but, like, he.
• 46:57
  Speaker B: My kids can go in.
• 46:58
  Speaker A: Your kids don't know, but you don't show them.
• 47:00
  Speaker B: That's true. Until they open every drawer.
• 47:03
  Speaker A: I know, but your drawer is out of reach.
• 47:05
  Speaker B: No, they are. I'm saying, like, my kids fuck up my drawers.
• 47:08
  Speaker A: Yeah, I know.
• 47:09
  Speaker B: It's. I have the two lower drawers. They get out their cups. They so much easier. Yeah, no, it definitely is easier to have it lower than higher.
• 47:16
  Speaker A: So that was my one. Worth my time.
• 47:18
  Speaker B: Okay. My. Worth my time. Oh, I was making my kids lunch today, and I didn't realize that I actually do that. I really do use this every single day. Is I bought these pre, like, note cards that say, like, cute little messages with cute little pictures on them. And Vienna, Vienna wants to know every day. She loves her notes. So instead of.
• 47:39
  Speaker A: Can she read?
• 47:40
  Speaker B: No, she can't read. The teacher reads it to her. But instead of having to just get a blank piece of paper, draw a little thing. I ordered these little things on Amazon. I will put the link and it's just like pre made note cards of like have the best day or you are special so you don't have to write. And it's like cute like rainbow unicorn picture worth my time. Pop it in the lunch. I wrote xoxo Mommy. And that sign. She's so happy and she gets excited every day to see a new picture. Yeah. And then the other.
• 48:06
  Speaker A: I had a brown paper bag as a kid with my mom's like handwriting on it.
• 48:10
  Speaker B: Yeah, that's cute too.
• 48:11
  Speaker A: She used to write on it.
• 48:13
  Speaker B: My mom used to put lipstick on and kiss the napkin. Yeah. Cute. Yeah.
• 48:17
  Speaker A: Toxic. Toxic. Just kidding. All right, well, anything else worth your time? You know what's worth my time? Ordering lunch right now.
• 48:25
  Speaker B: Right now. That. Let's do it. Wrap it up. Wrap it up.
• 48:28
  Speaker A: Okay. I hope you enjoyed this toxic segment.
• 48:31
  Speaker B: I got. I need more toxic in my life. Send me a toxic daddy.
• 48:36
  Speaker A: Don't send her a toxic daddy. Okay, love you.
• 48:38
  Speaker B: Bye bye.
• 48:41
  Speaker A: Hello.
• 48:42
  Speaker B: You guys, stop. Is it mama clock yet? I'm going crazy.
• 48:47
  Speaker A: Heck yeah, it's mama clock somewhere.
• 48:56
  Speaker B: Sam.