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all the metaphors in the opalite music video feat. jesse james · gasp! the pod

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  And then they're like, Taylor Swift is not sending you secret
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  messages. And we're still like, she's
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  sending us all secret messages. We're just the ones who are
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  talking about. That it can be you too.
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  Yeah, Welcome in. You have the same.
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  Amount of information that I do, I don't know Taylor Swift.
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  Yeah, she didn't mail it to me, right?
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  Hi, everyone. Welcome back to GASP the Pod,
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  the podcast for the girls, the gays, and especially the gay
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  girls. We have a very special guest
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  here today to discuss the new OPA Light music video that
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  actually dropped this morning. And her timing is literally
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  impeccable. I'm here with Jesse James AKA
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  Astro Jesse for those who were following her on TikTok.
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  You may know her from TikTok, her Gaylord musings.
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  I would add her makeup looks and she actually did dress up as
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  Taylor and oh play music video today.
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  So super on par. Thank you so much for coming on
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  the pod. Thank you for having me.
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  We did not realize that we are from the same town in Virginia,
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  and I fumble the bag pretty much because we are not in person
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  right now, even though we're probably like 12 miles away.
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  So yeah, next. Time we'll do it in person and.
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  Next time we'll do it in person and actually teaser.
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  This is a teaser. This is just the trailer.
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  It actually though, I do think it's probably a good idea
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  because it's currently like Blizzarding outside my window.
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  So today we're going to be discussing our theories on the
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  Opalite music video, what we think everything means.
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  And obviously that means Taylorism.
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  All of the Gaylor Easter eggs, even though people say it can't
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  be a Gaylor Easter egg because she doesn't Easter egg about her
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  personal life. Taylor Swift's career amidst,
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  you know, the political climate of today because it's just kind
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  of striking the fact that this is coming out and there's been
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  just radio silence from her otherwise and any of our
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  theories about future Taylor Swift work.
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  I think that we're going to discover things as we talk about
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  the music video. For those who are listening and
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  not watching, thank you for listening.
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  However, if you want a visual of the things that we're talking
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  about in the music video, I'm going to put some screen grabs
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  in the YouTube of this. While I'm on YouTube, let me
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  also just plug. If you're looking for bonus
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  content, I have bonus episodes on Patreon and my Spotify for
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  subscribers. I just released a Dear Reader
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  analysis on why it's really gay, and so I was talking about the
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  Blake Lively Taylor Swift texts and my real nuanced thoughts
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  that I don't think the Internet can handle.
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  Also, please subscribe on YouTube and Spotify, rate me 5
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  stars. So that would be great.
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  And then share this pod with your friends.
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  First of all, thank you so much for coming on the pod, Jesse, I
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  have just been loving your content.
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  I did not know you had a podcast, so if you could
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  introduce yourself to my listeners and then also like
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  plug your pod so people can learn about celebrity astrology.
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  Yeah. So hi, I'm Jesse James.
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  I left my corporate career earlier this year and I'm now
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  working as a professional astrologer and a part time host
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  at a restaurant, which is everything for my ADHD.
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  Just like constant interactions with people, new experiences
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  every day. Amazing.
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  But I have a podcast called Popstrology, which you can find
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  on YouTube and on Spotify. And I do a different celebrities
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  birth chart analysis every week. I'm about to drop an episode
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  about Hudson Williams because he gave his birth time in an
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  interview that he did. And thank you Gracie Abrams for
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  asking him what his birth time was.
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  So that'll be coming out soon. It's really exciting.
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  I also do a lot of videos on YouTube at the Astro Diva about
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  like Taylor Swift song lyric from a gaylar perspective.
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  Hell yeah. And isn't life through a gaylar
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  perspective? Yeah.
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  I just love your content. So thank you so much for coming
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  on. And I cannot believe we went to
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  rival high schools. That's so crazy.
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  It's so heated rivalry. The.
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  World is so small. It is like that's actually so
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  insane. I just assume that like every
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  other gaylar is across the world for me.
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  You guys live on this planet? Like, yeah.
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  No, for real. So let's talk about something
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  that happened today, which is the Oblate music video.
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  And I can't believe we actually did not plan this on purpose to
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  record the same day that it came out.
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  But what is your general feeling towards the music video after
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  watching it? And what were you feeling
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  towards Taylor Swift before this came out?
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  I'm such a huge Taylor Swift fan.
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  I have been since I was 12, and she started releasing music and
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  I identify with her really strongly.
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  So I feel like her silence has hurt her a lot.
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  Yeah. And so I tried.
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  I think that she's just built up a lot of expectation from me
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  now, where it's like, well, if you've been silent for this
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  long, what you're doing better be freaking good.
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  Yeah, I feel like she's dropped the ball, and I feel like I
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  sound a little insane when I say I think that there's a greater
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  plan, like, like some religious zealot.
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  But honestly, I was very pleasantly surprised.
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  I wasn't expecting the aesthetic of the music video to be what it
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  was. I was kind of thinking you would
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  be like the cover photo, put this up on YouTube right now for
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  the single, which is like her and that like halter beaded
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  silver dress and it's the three Taylor's in the mirror.
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  I was thinking it's very like 80s studio vibe and we did get
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  an 80s vibe, 80s slash 90s vibe, just kind of like in a very
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  different non glamorous way. My take away is that this is
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  like a friendship music video and like the general theme felt
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  like friendship. I can't count how many times
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  there was something that spelled out best friends and right
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  friends and also opalite. The Opalite spray being
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  manufactured like fake love. It has never been like a happy
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  love song to me. Like now this guy is opalite.
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  This guy is fake happiness. Like the ultimate goal I would
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  assume for everyone is real happiness.
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  This is what she had to create to get by and to survive when
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  she was in hell. Totally.
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  But they're like, no, it's Travis.
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  His birth shown is an Opal. And I didn't expect the music
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  video to like kind of hone in on that idea so much like we she
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  was explaining it in the movie that like the show girl little
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  movie, she was explaining Opal I and she was saying, like this is
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  man made, like you have to create this happiness for
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  yourself. I just can't.
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  I mean, it just sounds so much like she's creating a situation,
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  right that tides her over. And then I didn't expect the
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  spray, the opalite like spray to be so obvious that this is like
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  a fake thing that's happening and not like genuine love.
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  Like she's spraying someone to create something.
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  Like I don't understand how people are taking this to be
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  like the ultimate love story. Yeah, Donald Gleeson, Donald and
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  it said doe and then null. Oh, OK, It's Donald.
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  Or Donald. It's spelled DOMHNALL.
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  Yeah. That's why I had to look up the
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  pronunciation Donald like I don't.
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  Think, Donald, the Internet, said Donald.
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  It can change anytime we talk about it.
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  Bill Beasley, I am Irish. I should be able to pronounce
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  that. But yeah, come.
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  On Mick Rich. I mean OK, so that's not
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  actually my last name, but I realized that it sounds like
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  that just quick story time when I made my TikTok like 2 years
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  before I even made videos. Like I was just like a commenter
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  made it Mick Rich because I didn't want like my boss to find
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  me. I put Haley Mick Rich because it
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  was like called Mick Rich in high school because one of my
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  tennis yearbook pictures, the photographer just spelled my
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  name Mick Rich. And I thought it was funny.
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  I thought it sounded like a stripper name because I was
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  like, oh, Rich, I don't know, like Mick, whatever.
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  It's really not that funny. But then I made that my TikTok
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  username and I honestly just, like, forgot that people would
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  think that was my last name. And Sydney Baker Green from
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  TikTok as well, who's been in my pod a few times.
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  Yeah. He was like Haley make Rich.
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  And I was like, oh wait, that's not my last name.
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  He was like, wait, really? And I was like Oh my God, I
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  should really be clarifying this.
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  No, it's awesome. It sort of reminds me of Scrooge
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  Mcduck because like, he's obsessed with money.
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  Like, I love it. Right, you could really.
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  Do an aesthetic with it and like, lean a little into the
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  stripper, OK, if we're going for like a persona.
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  I can do that. It's like too late to change it
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  so this is just right me now. Anyways, it's so.
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  Iconic to have a stage name. It is iconic Jesse James.
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  So I would love to go through the beginning.
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  The first scene we see or that's like the cover photo is them on
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  the TV screen. And then the rock that has the
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  friendship bracelet that says, oh, it says friends forever.
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  And what's interesting is that both the rock and the cactus are
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  like the friends and then also the lover.
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  The lover, which I'm not even going to refer to as a lover
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  because I don't really feel like that's insinuated anywhere.
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  They could barely hold hands. Right.
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  They weren't even holding hands like this.
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  They're holding hands like this. Yeah.
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  So her new friend, her ginger friend are also friends.
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  So it's like very interesting that all of these people are
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  kind of friends in this story. And my first thought was Karlie
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  Kloss. And I was just thinking about
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  the Best Friends video and all of the stuff like that.
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  But as I started watching, I think I was more so in the camp
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  that the rock is her previous beard.
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  What do you what do you think? Think it's sort of like
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  especially with the My boy breaks his favorite toys intro
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  or like the original demo, which said like he was my best friend
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  and that was the worst part. I sort of saw it as recounting
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  that. Although I do think my boy only
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  breaks his favorite choice is sort of about the music
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  industry. So question mark.
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  This is my question and let me know your thoughts.
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  She sprays herself with it, he sprays his cactus and then she
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  turns into glitter. Let me know your musings on that
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  part. I guess I'm wondering why they
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  don't both spray themselves. And also the plot hole that
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  really I'm focused on is the fact that like, there's no meet
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  queue of them. They don't actually meet each
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  other. They spray this and then all of
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  a sudden he's housing her down in the bathtub.
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  But then the next scene after the bathtub, she and him are at
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  this table across from each other looking like it's like a
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  serious meeting and it's kind of awkward.
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  And then they become friends after that.
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  And I feel like that almost seems like to me like the Tavis
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  arrangement of all of a sudden they're sitting, sitting down at
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  this meeting, supposed to be friends, and they slowly warm up
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  to each other. So interesting.
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  And I think that she shows so many things.
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  And I think that patriarchy and like compulsory heterosexuality
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  is such a strong theme in all of her work.
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  But him spraying something else like his lover or his girlfriend
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  or whatever, a cactus, and her being like, it's me, hi, I'm the
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  problem, it's me. Like it shows that men often
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  think that they're not the problem and women are really
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  conditioned to be like, I'm the problem.
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  TI never thought of that. That's really interesting.
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  Because I actually saw, I was looking at the regular Taylor
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  Swift subreddit this morning and I saw someone be like, oh, it's
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  so patriarchal for her to include this.
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  I'm like, why can't we include something without endorsing it?
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  Like why can't we make commentary?
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  Why does everything have to be an endorsement?
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  Right. I think that like some people
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  want her to include like a, a disclaimer on everything she
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  does and be like, this is satire and it's a commentary on things
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  when it's just like, but that's what art is.
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  We've never had to put out a disclaimer about art before.
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  Totally. I'm a little worried about the
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  phantom understanding metaphors. I fear that people are now
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  forgetting that metaphors did exist and still exist, like
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  without the idea of an Easter egg.
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  And I think people are so focused on like, is this an
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  Easter egg? If it's not an Easter egg, then
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  this is a fact. And then proving that it's an
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  Easter egg. And so like, the idea of an
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  Easter egg is only going to be something like, there's a
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  picture of George Michael on the wall.
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  That's an Easter egg. And if there's not that, then
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  this is just like, fact and just exactly what Taylor Swift is
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  laying out. And right, like, there's a lot
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  of satire. Like satire is not necessarily
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  an Easter egg, but would people be able to understand?
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  That and honestly I've always thought that that like I don't
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  Easter egg, my personal life thing was not directed at
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  gaylors at all. Like it was definitely towards
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  mainstream Swifties and they just like scented at us.
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  I totally agree and I mean really quickly on the new
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  Heights. A lot of what the podcast was
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  was Taylor being like, rumors don't bother me, I have thick
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  skin and I literally don't care. And yet somehow that larger,
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  more important message was completely lost.
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  Similarly to how I feel like the most important message of this
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  music video is that this is a manufactured situation and that
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  like infomercial saved her life. Like, is that the lesson that's
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  the most important part of the whole thing, is that like this
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  is a manufactured story And also friends is spelled out
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  everywhere, yet somehow like that's going over everyone's
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  heads. Just like about Opalite as a
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  whole. I'm sorry if I'm derailing this.
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  No, we're not derailing. We're just conversing.
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  I think that when she went on The Graham Norton Show and she
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  was talking about Opalite and she was like, you know,
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  sometimes you have to make your own happiness, right?
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  And everyone was just nodding along.
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  I don't think that a lot of people do that.
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  I, I think that was just sort of like a, I'm nodding along
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  because she's saying it, but I don't think that people are
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  conscious of like how happy they are in general.
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  I think that a lot of people are just sort of existing and like
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  on autopilot and this is a new concept to them.
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  And I just wish that people could like, dive in a little bit
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  more beyond who's the rock, who's the cactus, and be like,
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  what is the message here, right? You can create your own
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  happiness, but with one spray of the nopalite, it can all go
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  away. So ultimately you need to like
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  actually get yourself in a place where you are genuinely happy.
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  Right. This can tide you over.
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  This is manufactured. You can create this for
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  yourself. But like, is this the ankle?
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  I mean, it seems like this Pulser out of the dump that
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  she's in, like you were saying, like, obviously she's like super
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  depressed over here with her rock.
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  And yes, this person is not a rock.
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  But are they this deep genuine love of your life or are they
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  just pulling you out out of this depression?
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  Yeah. Like, let's talk about the
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  concept of like, you need to make your own happiness.
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  What do you mean? Like if if in terms of your life
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  for sure. But in terms of like, if we're
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  talking about like a love partner, which I don't
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  necessarily think the song Opal is about, but if that's the idea
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  that we're taking away from the song that like you can make your
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  own happiness through making a partner, how do you do that?
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  Like, what do you mean you manufactured your own partner?
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  Like that doesn't actually make any sense and it's impossible.
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  It's dissociative, right? Like it's like I'm creating a
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  dream world that you know isn't reality, but that I'm happy
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  inside. Have you seen Mr. Robot?
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  No, I haven't. OK, best show ever.
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  Ever. Go and watch Mr. Robot.
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  I'm not gonna spoil it. But like, it's something that he
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  does. Like he creates a world that he
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  can live in after experiencing so much trauma so that he
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  doesn't have to like, face the hard aspects of life, but then
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  he gets lost because he's somewhere that's not real.
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  Yeah, I feel like it reminds me of.
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  I hate it here. Yeah, creating another planet
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  and I hate it here. Dreamworlds.
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  These characters have something very similar.
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  Like they have something in common where they're with
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  someone that is like dragging them down.
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  And I don't necessarily think that that means like, they're
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  with these horrible exes and then they find the love of their
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  life. I feel like they're both bonding
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  over the fact that they had beards.
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  They have these beards that are not like that, don't share this
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  commonality with them. And I feel like they're bonding
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  over the fact that both of them had to have beards.
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  And so they're like Co beards. Like maybe their situations
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  before, like only one of them were beards, if that makes
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  sense. And now they're in a situation
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  where like they have a joint mutual plan together.
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  They're on the same page about things and they are having this
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  bonding experience because they they both have something very
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  special and unique about them, which is the fact that they're
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  both queer. And also, if you think about it
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  like, they're at two different sides of that long table.
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  And then Taylor scoots closer and shows him like the fortune
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  teller thing. And so it's like she's like,
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  hey, look, we can make our own fortunes.
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  And then that's what gets him excited.
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  And they're excited together because they're creating a plan
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  to free themselves and like all of the other closeted artists
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  and athletes. Yeah, it's not like when they
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  met each other, they had this spark.
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  It's having this same journey and then creating a plan
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  together and like dancing through it.
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  Even if they, if they have to do this, they might as well like
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  enjoy it together. And I feel like that dance
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  competition scene is like so Taylor and Travis coded of of
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  them being on stage by the way, performing.
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  It reminds me of the me music video where they're like doing
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  this dance number and she's like performing with this other
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  person on stage, yet they're actually having a good time.
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  The anti opalite spray. I know some people were saying
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  that it's all the haters that are bringing them down.
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  If that's true, then one spray, one hater could destroy their
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  happiness. I don't think Taylor believes
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  that either. I think it's more so it's a very
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  like fragile temporary manufactured short term
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  relationship that can all go away because it's not real.
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  I'm going to throw something a little crazy out there.
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  What if the rock represents her fans love?
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  She takes the Rock out of a box that says like my very best
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  friend on it and interesting pet Rock PR, much like paper rings
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  PR and Dwayne the Rock. Johnson voiced the man Taylor in
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  the Man music video. There's a lot of rocks girls.
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  I don't need to catch a bouquet to know a hard Rock's on the
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  way. I forgot about a Hard Rock being
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  on the way. I'm down with any interpretation
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  of her talking about her fame. I think like a lot of the live
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  show girl is not necessarily her talking about a love interest
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  but her talking about the fans and like.
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  Yeah, that's why it is a whole album about fame, even though it
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  seems like it's not. I'm wondering why she has a rock
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  and he has a cactus. I I guess I just don't know too
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  much about Kayla Nicole and I didn't know anything about
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  Travis besides that he played football before this happened.
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  So I don't know. I feel like people are really
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  doing their worst face interpretations and being like
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  they're saying Kayla Nicole was nasty.
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  Right, and like a. This.
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  That's probably not what it means, like it probably means
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  something else. And then with the rock, the
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  reason I think it might be the fans is because, OK, so
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  pretzels, they hold pretzels, they hold big pretzels.
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  National Pretzel Day is April 26th, which is Lesbian
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  Visibility Day, which is the same day that she released the
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  ME Music video. And so she, she and Donall are
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  coming down the stairs holding pretzels and then they see the
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  rock and the cactus together. Cactus is flipping her off and
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  she drops her pretzel. So it's like she's enjoying
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  Lesbian Visibility Day in peace wearing her lesbian flag colored
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  sweater and he's wearing bisexual flag colored sweater.
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  And then she sees her fans and she drops the pretzel and she's
• 21:29
  like, no, don't see me being gay.
• 21:34
  Or if we're thinking about the cactus as Travis fans, if the
• 21:39
  rock is Taylor fans, then maybe Travis's fans are more prickly
• 21:44
  because men tend to be like angrier and like more violent.
• 21:48
  And especially if Travis Kelsey, an NFL player, is to come out as
• 21:53
  queer like they would like shoot cactus spikes at him.
• 21:56
  And I feel like the rock could be like weighing Taylor down,
• 22:00
  not letting her feel the actual love that she wants to feel.
• 22:04
  Exactly. And she's bringing it everywhere
• 22:06
  with her. She takes it to the bar.
• 22:08
  She like she loves her fans but they at the end of the day are
• 22:12
  really giving the true her nothing.
• 22:15
  Yeah, like you said with the the lesbian flag like sweater she's
• 22:20
  wearing, there's so many rainbow pride gay stuff in this.
• 22:24
  Like in the mall, there's I think a pride flag or a lesbian
• 22:27
  flag on one of the stores. Also during the workout scene,
• 22:31
  it's super super buy flag coated like and then she's also wearing
• 22:35
  a buy flag in her outfit as she's doing the workout.
• 22:38
  Scene, there's the trans flag. I saw the pan flag like so much
• 22:42
  and what was the thing that was equality?
• 22:45
  Oh, her holding 2 fingers like this sort of looks like an equal
• 22:49
  sign, which reminded me of the like equal sign that she carves
• 22:52
  in the I bet you think about me cake.
• 22:54
  Yes, yeah. OK, that brings us back to the
• 22:57
  cake because 1326 also have an alarm clock in this music video
• 23:02
  that says 1212 and obviously blah blah.
• 23:06
  We know that that's like TS-12, but I feel like I was just
• 23:10
  thinking what comes right after that 13 and I know some people
• 23:13
  have theorized that December 13th we're going to get TS13.
• 23:19
  For me, all of that really feels like it's revving up to December
• 23:24
  because that would be 12/26 like that.
• 23:26
  I bet you think about me music video 13, 26 and then at that, I
• 23:31
  think it's part where Donald Donald is going to the theater
• 23:36
  with his cactus and they're like, Sir, please go away.
• 23:41
  Next to the theater sign, there's a sign that says oh,
• 23:44
  patient for the encore, which is so crazy to me.
• 23:49
  And I feel like that's just alluding to like what comes
• 23:51
  after midnight? What comes after the showgirl
• 23:54
  when the lights are down? Like after the stage, like it's
• 23:56
  the encore? Right.
• 23:59
  And I thought that that was going to come sooner.
• 24:01
  Like I really thought that Showgirl was going to be a very
• 24:04
  quick bait and switch. And, you know, it's patient for
• 24:08
  the encore. And actually, that's something I
• 24:12
  love about being a Gaylord is that it has taught me a lot of
• 24:15
  patience because if you try to rush your blessings, you might
• 24:20
  not be ready for them and they might not be fully formed.
• 24:22
  But when you're patient, you get music videos like this.
• 24:25
  Like probably one of her best music videos ever.
• 24:28
  I absolutely agree. I was going to say I think this
• 24:30
  is one of my favorite music videos that she's put out.
• 24:33
  I also just enjoy that she is not trying to like serve face in
• 24:38
  like every single scene. Like she's not trying to like
• 24:40
  look hot and listen, I'm all about a woman being hot as hell
• 24:45
  in a music video, but I just think it's kind of like
• 24:48
  interesting that like this is just not that music video for
• 24:52
  her. But I think she looks so good in
• 24:54
  these outfit. I mean, even just beyond like
• 24:56
  the the all the theories and everything like that.
• 24:59
  I just think she looks really good and it's like a fun
• 25:01
  aesthetic to see her in and like what she would have been like if
• 25:04
  she was like in her 30s and the 90s.
• 25:07
  Like it's kind of a lovely image.
• 25:09
  Like it cleansed my brain a little bit.
• 25:12
  Right, and did you see that this is the first music video she
• 25:15
  released after Sunrise since Anti Hero?
• 25:19
  I was wondering why it was coming on 8:00 AM.
• 25:22
  Yeah. Interesting.
• 25:24
  I mean, that makes sense. I I think that life of Showgirl
• 25:27
  is like an opposite Midnights. And thank you for bringing us to
• 25:31
  Antihero because of the glitter and the Midnights glitter.
• 25:37
  I mean, it's such a direct comparison to antihero, but also
• 25:40
  a reminder that like we're not out of that world yet.
• 25:44
  Once they spray that on her, she's in a lot of goo.
• 25:47
  Like it's not like the spray got rid of the goo, if that makes
• 25:51
  sense, in the glitter. So if you're thinking from kind
• 25:54
  of like a Normie St. Swifty perspective that this is
• 25:58
  like riding her, the Opalite spray is like riding her of all
• 26:02
  the sadness and stuff of the past.
• 26:05
  It's almost like it's adding it on in that scene.
• 26:09
  So that's interesting to me. It also.
• 26:11
  Made me wonder because like, having a music video
• 26:15
  recontextualizes everything that's come before.
• 26:19
  And so now I'm like, in the cover of the life of a showgirl,
• 26:22
  is she in no polite or opolite spray?
• 26:26
  Is that a bath full of, you know, turning herself into
• 26:30
  something that creates her own happiness?
• 26:33
  Right. When did she get sprayed?
• 26:36
  Yeah, is the question. That's interesting too.
• 26:39
  What do you think about the pink glitter?
• 26:42
  And so she like she has on in this scene, she has like
• 26:47
  midnight blue glitter on herself.
• 26:49
  I think she looks like she's like Pew pewing herself, but
• 26:52
  whatever. And then she rubs pink litter.
• 26:56
  Oh, wait, no, sorry, there's pink litter on her.
• 26:59
  And she rubs blue glitter on the rock.
• 27:02
  What do you think is going on? I think it's the same glitter,
• 27:05
  but I think the glitter is opalite cuz opalite creates both
• 27:08
  of those colors just in different lightings and one's on
• 27:11
  skin and one's on stone so it would look different.
• 27:16
  Oh, so yeah, she's giving us another perspective of what this
• 27:19
  like glitter looks like. And that I feel like is a chalk
• 27:23
  one up for the rock representing her old beards.
• 27:26
  Because it's like, I mean, personally I don't know if
• 27:30
  Taylor fully identifies as a woman.
• 27:32
  Like I think she might be androgynous or gender queer in
• 27:34
  some way, but like on her it's pink and on the Rock it's blue.
• 27:38
  Like girl and boy all I. Care about No, that's true.
• 27:43
  It could also be like the blue could be her beard Joe and like
• 27:50
  I used to live with ghosts and that could have been like, you
• 27:52
  know, an anti hero like moment there.
• 27:56
  That's when it was like midnight blue and now maybe after in the
• 28:00
  Opalite vibe, she's pink. But I guess my now that theory
• 28:05
  goes out the window for me because now I'm thinking like
• 28:06
  after she sprays herself, she's then in this like midnight goo
• 28:10
  again. So I don't really know.
• 28:13
  Her. Mind I'm like trying to keep
• 28:16
  track of like the colors and the and the glitter, but so they
• 28:21
  meet up together. They have both been sprayed or
• 28:24
  he sprays his cactus. They're together.
• 28:26
  They do this formal meeting. She shows him their future and
• 28:30
  now they're all happy because they have a plan.
• 28:32
  They go to the mall. They are almost sprayed with the
• 28:36
  opalite Nope spray or the anti opalite spray, but they're fine.
• 28:41
  And then they're at the arch trellis photo shoot.
• 28:45
  I think that's afterwards. Maybe I'm wrong, but let's talk
• 28:49
  about the fact that there is like just an obvious crown next
• 28:53
  to the trellis. Yeah, and no one's wearing it.
• 28:55
  It's insane to me. Yeah.
• 28:58
  Like we already could have run with the fact that it's a
• 29:01
  trellis that looks just like the Tavis engagement and just like
• 29:05
  the Bejeweled music video and ghosting the Prince.
• 29:07
  But the added crown in the scene, you have to admit that
• 29:13
  that I don't know how you can like not relate that to the
• 29:16
  Bejeweled. Yeah, And there are, like, white
• 29:19
  podiums on either side, which represent, like, they're
• 29:23
  basically the same as the vases from her and Travis's engagement
• 29:27
  photo shoot. They all have the arch trellis.
• 29:30
  And it's just like that that music video came out in 2022.
• 29:34
  Like how do Hitler's explain why her actual engagement photos
• 29:41
  look the same as her music video from three years before?
• 29:44
  And she just double downed on it in this music.
• 29:47
  Yeah. And they still don't get it
• 29:49
  right. This is also random.
• 29:51
  And people are going to disagree with me, but I when I saw the
• 29:56
  scene of them, like doing the photo shoot underneath the
• 29:59
  trellis, it reminded me of the picture of Elizabeth Taylor.
• 30:03
  And her last wedding was this construction worker guy.
• 30:10
  And he was like this like white dude, kind of like jacked dude.
• 30:16
  And they're like underneath a white 90.
• 30:20
  I think it was in the 90s too. Trellis vibe.
• 30:22
  That was her last wedding that she ever had.
• 30:25
  And that's just like the first thing I thought of.
• 30:27
  It's not a perfect match, but OK.
• 30:29
  So we're in the arch trellis scene.
• 30:33
  What do you think? 2 theories that I'm going back
• 30:36
  and forth with in my mind about Louis Capaldi going into the
• 30:39
  photo shoot. The fact that he goes can we be
• 30:41
  friends? Like that's such a scripted
• 30:43
  moment. I'm thinking either it's the
• 30:47
  Tavis stands that want to be a part and invited into the
• 30:51
  relationship or it is Ross Travis and they're like little
• 30:56
  non ethical monogamous relationship.
• 31:00
  My money's on Ross. Yeah.
• 31:02
  Cuz he's just always the third. And like the photos they do
• 31:07
  together? Yeah.
• 31:09
  Come on. No, it's Ross.
• 31:10
  It's gotta be. I also think it's really
• 31:12
  interesting in this scene, there's like a sign at the photo
• 31:16
  place that says one hour only. And so it's like guys, they,
• 31:21
  they're only together for an hour.
• 31:23
  Like they get together and they do a pap walk and they get
• 31:26
  pictures of them taken and they go their separate ways.
• 31:30
  I'm realizing there is no scene of them in this music video.
• 31:34
  Her and Donald were there like, inside cuddling or something
• 31:40
  like that. Like they're in public spaces.
• 31:42
  And most of the time, like after the first two scenes of them,
• 31:45
  like getting to know each other, they're in the mall, they're on
• 31:49
  stage, they are doing a photo shoot.
• 31:53
  And you don't really see them like having a loving moment
• 31:56
  where they're like looking into each other's eyes.
• 31:59
  No, and I think you mentioned this in the outline.
• 32:03
  Donal is credited at the end as lonely man.
• 32:06
  Taylor is credited as lonely woman, but Greta Lee is credited
• 32:11
  as like indie rock goddess and Jody Turner.
• 32:14
  Smith is credited as dream aerobic dream girl, which she
• 32:18
  just can't help herself. You know, she's she's going to
• 32:20
  be gay at the end of the day. She's just going to be sapphic.
• 32:23
  Goddess and dream girl literally come on.
• 32:27
  And I feel like that's the dream girl thing could be very
• 32:29
  interesting too. Like, I could still melt your
• 32:32
  world's argumentative, antithetical dream girl.
• 32:34
  That could be a reminder to fans of like, no, I'm not the dream
• 32:38
  girl. This girl's the dream girl.
• 32:40
  Like I was always talking about someone else, not myself.
• 32:44
  Right. Because a lot of people's
• 32:46
  interpretation was like, oh, she's talking about herself,
• 32:49
  guys. It's like grammar.
• 32:52
  The best songwriter of our generation doesn't know how to
• 32:54
  use a comma and insert a word. Right, the fact that she lists
• 32:59
  herself as a lonely woman. And might I add, these are
• 33:04
  credits after the music video. So we've already seen what
• 33:08
  happens. They end up together, presumably
• 33:11
  together in what way we don't know.
• 33:12
  But they end up at the end on stage.
• 33:15
  They're not like at home. So the ending of the music video
• 33:19
  is them together on stage being like whoo.
• 33:23
  That makes me think like the on course coming next.
• 33:25
  So like this is the end of the showgirl era.
• 33:28
  They're on stage. What happens after that, the
• 33:30
  encore. But then we see this like scene
• 33:33
  from the Graham Norton and she's introduced as lonely woman,
• 33:36
  which it does not make any sense if this is after the fact that
• 33:41
  we think that they're together. Like it's not the credits in the
• 33:44
  beginning, they could have easily been like previously
• 33:47
  lonely woman. Like it doesn't make any sense
• 33:52
  to me. No, or it could just be like
• 33:55
  woman, like, I don't know, she could have used anything else.
• 33:58
  But at the end of the day, you know, maybe they're still
• 34:01
  lonely. I hope Travis isn't lonely with,
• 34:05
  you know, Ross. I'm a big trust girl.
• 34:08
  Yeah, no, I feel like they're fine.
• 34:10
  Yeah, I think they're together. I mean the fact that.
• 34:12
  You're Taylor's wife is. Right.
• 34:14
  Someone I think that Ross and Travis are happy.
• 34:18
  The fact that Ross was like in the air is to her like, that's
• 34:22
  like commitment, you know what I mean?
• 34:23
  She's like, yeah, you can put him in like he's your man, you
• 34:27
  know, right. He's he's your man.
• 34:31
  I'm so emotional. I love them so much.
• 34:34
  I like honestly, when I first watched this music video, I was
• 34:36
  thinking that she I I'm going back and forth in to thought
• 34:40
  processes. The one that everyone accepts is
• 34:43
  what Taylor Swift tells us in the Instagram.
• 34:45
  Is that like the minute that she was, like, there with all the
• 34:48
  people, like on the Graham Norton Show, she was like, I
• 34:50
  want to do this music video. I think either she did the music
• 34:54
  video before they were even on the Graham Norton Show.
• 34:57
  She had such a sneaky smile of foreshadowing that I'm like, I
• 35:02
  don't know. And the fact that they were
• 35:03
  like, oh, yeah, you should see his dancing.
• 35:05
  Like it just seemed like it was already plotted before that or I
• 35:10
  think it was afterwards. I think that she selected like
• 35:16
  who she wanted to be there because I'm I'm honestly not a
• 35:20
  big Harry Potter fan. So like I'm just retelling based
• 35:24
  on my limited memory. But in Harry Potter, Bill
• 35:27
  Weasley is a curse breaker. Bill Weasley played by Donald
• 35:30
  Gleason. And so he breaks the curse on
• 35:33
  Katie Bell who has been like has this like opalite ish.
• 35:36
  I think it's a lock. In or something.
• 35:39
  There's a reason that he was there and there's a reason that
• 35:42
  he's in this music video and that doesn't happened by chance.
• 35:46
  And I think that was like the point of the end of an era docu
• 35:49
  series. She was like nothing happens by
• 35:50
  chance. Right.
• 35:53
  The point of the Opalite music video, which is like, this is
• 35:58
  man made. This didn't just happen by
• 36:00
  chance. And I just like hung out with
• 36:02
  these people and I'm like perfect.
• 36:04
  Everyone has a perfect little role in my music video.
• 36:07
  Right. Yeah.
• 36:07
  And of course, Killian Murphy was in Oppenheimer, which
• 36:10
  Barbenheimer has always been true romantics.
• 36:14
  Greta Lee is in the studio and a bunch of other New Romantics
• 36:18
  projects. The morning show, like, these
• 36:20
  people were there for a reason. They wouldn't have taken random
• 36:23
  artists who, like, don't already know everything about the New
• 36:26
  Romantics. I agree and I do think that it's
• 36:29
  it's relevant that this was the first interview she did after
• 36:32
  her engagement and was talking about her engagement.
• 36:37
  And then this exact cast is in OPA light music video which is
• 36:42
  supposed to be one of the more lovey dovey songs towards Travis
• 36:45
  even though we don't really get an actual love song for him I
• 36:50
  would argue. And there's also something else
• 36:53
  that I'll try to find the video up and send it to.
• 36:55
  I think I know where it is. But Lewis Capaldi gets
• 36:59
  sidetracked at some point and just starts rambling.
• 37:02
  And, like, it seems like things are going a little off the
• 37:05
  rails. Taylor turns to Graham Norton
• 37:07
  and goes 6. And then he goes, yeah, they'll
• 37:11
  be singing like a Canary. Like, this to me, was the
• 37:14
  manuscript. The actors were hitting their
• 37:16
  marks, she said. Like it was scripted.
• 37:20
  Wait, she says 6. Yeah, she turns to him cuz Lewis
• 37:23
  is rambling. Someone else goes that's so
• 37:26
  exciting. And then she turns to Graham and
• 37:28
  she goes 6 and he immediately says they'll be singing like
• 37:31
  Canaries, which obviously is related to life of a showgirl.
• 37:36
  Wait, I'm confused about what 6 means though.
• 37:39
  I think it was just like the kid, yeah.
• 37:42
  Whoa, yeah, there's something going on for sure.
• 37:47
  And like this was the beginning of the life of a showgirl press
• 37:51
  to her kind of like back where we were saying about the rock
• 37:55
  and the cactus, like my other theory when I first started
• 37:57
  watching it. And then I don't know if I'd
• 37:59
  like swayed away from this, but that the rock was like her and
• 38:02
  Carly or like this actual lover. And like maybe that lover did it
• 38:07
  didn't work out. Like obviously it didn't work
• 38:10
  out whoever this person is. But like when she was at the bar
• 38:16
  with the rock, I felt like people couldn't see the rock.
• 38:19
  Like it was like this invisible love and the girls trying to sit
• 38:23
  down in the seat and she's like, it's taken like obviously.
• 38:26
  And everyone's like not obviously, like there's no one
• 38:29
  there. And maybe just kind of seemed
• 38:31
  like I used to live with ghosts like this invis, these invisible
• 38:35
  loves that like maybe no one else could see.
• 38:38
  And what is happier and better is pretending to be in a
• 38:41
  relationship with a man and then everyone celebrates you.
• 38:45
  So I don't know, like could it be that she's not actually
• 38:49
  happier in the Opalite and it just seems like she's happier
• 38:53
  because she's like convincing herself?
• 38:55
  I don't know. I think there's like multiple
• 38:56
  ways that this could be taken I guess.
• 38:58
  Yeah, I was just thinking about it and if my theory that the
• 39:03
  Rock is her fans, like she sort of carries her fans and like the
• 39:08
  knowledge that they love her everywhere she goes, but those
• 39:11
  fans don't take up a seat at a bar, for example.
• 39:15
  Like maybe she's just keeping like the love that she has from
• 39:18
  her fans with her, but it's not a real person.
• 39:21
  It can't be an actual friend. It can't hug her.
• 39:23
  It can't dance with her. That's a very good point I'm
• 39:27
  thinking of. Any other time she mentioned a
• 39:29
  rock in her songs. Right, well, there's my tears.
• 39:33
  Ricochet. We gather stones, never knowing
• 39:35
  what they'll mean. True.
• 39:38
  Throw some to make a diamond ring like an engagement.
• 39:41
  Ring, yeah. And then there's what if I
• 39:44
  rolled a stone away? They're going to crucify me
• 39:46
  anyway. Damn I feel like that's really
• 39:49
  interesting of like what if the rock goes away?
• 39:52
  Even if she's in this perfect relationship that maybe the fans
• 39:56
  actually like, are they going to crucify her anyways?
• 40:00
  Yeah, no matter who she's with. They will because I think the
• 40:04
  overwhelming sentiment will probably be she lied to us.
• 40:08
  Oh totally, we never knew her. Right.
• 40:12
  Yeah, how could she lie to us? And then they're like, Taylor
• 40:16
  Swift is not sending you secret messages.
• 40:18
  And we're still like, she's sending us all secret messages.
• 40:21
  We're just the ones who are talking about them.
• 40:23
  It can be you too. Yeah, you have the same.
• 40:25
  Amount of information that I do, I don't know Taylor Swift.
• 40:28
  Yeah, she didn't mail it to me. Right, right.
• 40:32
  This also had me thinking about LOML when she says a con man
• 40:36
  sells a fool a get love quick scheme, which I've always taken
• 40:39
  to be about the music industry because like going to the store
• 40:43
  and buying that pet rock in a box like my best friend, that's
• 40:47
  a get love quick scheme. That's sort of how she's
• 40:50
  represented her fans for so long.
• 40:52
  Wait, let me think about that for a second.
• 40:54
  Because I'm like, is this her saying her fans have no reading
• 40:58
  comprehension because we're being sent a get love quick
• 41:02
  scheme and we're like buying it and we're falling for it.
• 41:05
  And we're like, yeah, this is great.
• 41:06
  This will last forever. And she's telling us, look, this
• 41:09
  is manufactured and fake. It's pretty obvious.
• 41:14
  And then all of a sudden the ink bleeds like she burns everything
• 41:18
  down our field of Field of Dreams.
• 41:22
  Interesting. Yeah.
• 41:23
  That could, like, go more for, like, this song being about the
• 41:26
  fans than it even is about her beards at all.
• 41:30
  Right. I like that.
• 41:31
  Oh, I was just going to ask you if we can talk about the dance
• 41:35
  scene. I think it's so interesting the
• 41:38
  parallel like you mentioned, the ME music video where she and
• 41:41
  Brendan Yuri are dancing on that stage, but also the Bejeweled
• 41:45
  music video where she enters a talent competition and she wins
• 41:48
  and therefore she gets to get a forced proposal from the Prince.
• 41:53
  But in this one, she's not doing her showgirl thing.
• 41:56
  She's being her. She's being goofy.
• 41:58
  She's got the night man cometh makeup and doing like a dance
• 42:02
  routine from I think an episode of friends to tie in with your
• 42:06
  friends theme for the video and they get all zeros.
• 42:10
  But it doesn't matter because they weren't trying to get
• 42:12
  people's affection. They were just.
• 42:13
  Being themselves, I know it is interesting that she's had so
• 42:17
  many music videos and like the Limax of the music video for a
• 42:22
  lot of these music videos is like the dancing scene for
• 42:26
  people to applaud and vote for her.
• 42:29
  And that could go for your theory of like the muse is the
• 42:34
  fans in most of these songs. People are giving her all zeros
• 42:38
  and she doesn't care and she's like cheering.
• 42:40
  And does that mean we're like closer to seeing her?
• 42:45
  Are we getting like glimpses of seeing her?
• 42:48
  Do you feel like if this is then the real her performing, is that
• 42:53
  still her being the show girl? I don't think so, because I
• 42:56
  think the music videos that she's released after Dawn, I
• 42:59
  think the real Taylor is in control.
• 43:02
  Yeah. And it's so interesting with
• 43:05
  like the Midnight's Till Dawn edition.
• 43:08
  I think night time is when she and the showgirl Duke it out.
• 43:12
  Like, they're both at home and they're like now, like who's in
• 43:15
  charge? Yeah.
• 43:17
  I have more and more been thinking that 2019 was a planned
• 43:21
  failed coming out just because we've had so much pointing to
• 43:26
  2026. Been sleeping so long in a 20
• 43:29
  year dark night like from 2006 when debut came out to now.
• 43:34
  Sometimes I think the life of showgirl is like loving Part 2.
• 43:39
  It's like we're seeing all the like happiness and like the
• 43:44
  comparison to a black and white album because like before Lover
• 43:48
  we had Reputation and before life of Showgirl we had like
• 43:51
  black and white. And I wonder if that's because
• 43:56
  it's like another round of attempting to come out like,
• 43:59
  like you said, like the Onyx night to Opalite.
• 44:04
  I feel like we're missing the metaphor there because people
• 44:07
  are so focused on it being like, oh, that means it's about race.
• 44:12
  It's like, no, we're in the daylight now, don't you think
• 44:15
  about the stapler and so? It's like no idea.
• 44:19
  One of her dancers is sprayed with the anti anti opalite spray
• 44:24
  and he just like vanishes and now becomes a stapler.
• 44:28
  And then the ending scene is quote.
• 44:31
  The stapler is happily single and has been working through its
• 44:35
  possessive codependent tendencies in therapy.
• 44:38
  Girl what? Well, I think like to think of a
• 44:41
  stapler, you know, it pushes things together and holds them
• 44:45
  together. And so maybe the stapler being
• 44:49
  single is the stapler, just like without paper or without
• 44:52
  staples. That's.
• 44:53
  I've got no idea. I don't know what it means.
• 44:55
  Right. And it's like, what does that
• 44:56
  have to do with what if it's like her talking about her
• 44:59
  dancers on the airs to her and it's like she feels codependent
• 45:03
  with like her whole airs to her crew and she's working through
• 45:07
  or the staple. That holds her together.
• 45:09
  That's actually interesting. But like possessive.
• 45:12
  Like, is she feeling possessive of her dancers?
• 45:15
  Is she a stapler? Right.
• 45:17
  Like something that really stuck out to me is the picture in the
• 45:23
  90s, like photo shoot thing, like the Kmart thing where
• 45:27
  they're under the trellis, like the engagement photos and like
• 45:31
  the Bejeweled music video. And they open their shirts and
• 45:35
  Taylor is wearing her lesbian flag striped shirt and Donald's
• 45:38
  wearing his bisexual flag striped shirt.
• 45:41
  And they're, you know, at a wedding maybe and coming out as
• 45:45
  what they are. And it's just like.
• 45:48
  Thank you for reminding me of the scene because I didn't even
• 45:51
  notice the colors, but the fact that they're going like this and
• 45:56
  revealing something is just makes me think that is that
• 45:59
  going to be the encore or are we going to even get a wedding?
• 46:03
  I've been thinking that they're going to break up by like the
• 46:05
  end of March. I kind of thought so at first,
• 46:09
  like within the fall and like the showgirl, I thought they
• 46:11
  were going to have the wedding and do something at the wedding.
• 46:15
  But with all of these news outlets reporting on them, like
• 46:19
  having a hard time planning the wedding and what's going to
• 46:21
  happen, like, it does seem like they're setting the scene for an
• 46:24
  early breakup before that even happens.
• 46:27
  Yeah, So what's the wedding? I've got so many questions.
• 46:32
  Is Travis going to have his? I'm gay and I'm going to play a
• 46:34
  moment before and then the wedding is going to be him and
• 46:37
  Ross like. Thank you for the I'm gay and
• 46:40
  I'm going to play like, yes, I love that movie so much.
• 46:44
  I've been begging him in my head to do this since he did Rivalry
• 46:48
  came out. But wouldn't this be just the
• 46:50
  perfect opportunity if you were the closeted athlete to come out
• 46:55
  with heated rivalry like. I'm so, like, hopeful.
• 46:58
  I'm hopeful for everything. Every day I wake up and I'm
• 47:01
  like, Donald Trump might die today.
• 47:02
  Like, that's really what? Keeps.
• 47:04
  That's such a good perspective. Yeah.
• 47:05
  Thank you so much. Maybe it's.
• 47:07
  Because you're not in TikTok anymore, so you don't feel like
• 47:09
  the doom. Yeah, I'm also, I'm just a very
• 47:12
  like, I'm a Pisces rising. I'm Jupiter ruled like.
• 47:15
  I've always just been very like. Flamboyant and like, can you do
• 47:19
  and hope? I love that.
• 47:21
  And I'm very jealous. Can you do my horoscope one day?
• 47:24
  Of course. OK, amazing.
• 47:26
  Yeah. It doesn't have to be in the
• 47:27
  celebrity size. Also very funny, I just saw the
• 47:31
  moment the Charli XCX mockumentary.
• 47:34
  What do you think? It was a 2 hour long panic
• 47:36
  attack. I'm really stressed and I
• 47:38
  haven't had a chance to think about it yet but obviously
• 47:42
  people are like oh Charlie and Taylor are feuding which I don't
• 47:46
  think is true at all. Charlie works non-stop with Jack
• 47:49
  Antonoff and I don't know why people think that Taylor and
• 47:53
  Jack are feuding because she did one album without him but like,
• 47:57
  she doesn't burn bridges. Not having him a part of the
• 48:01
  press tour and everything and like in the docu series only
• 48:06
  helps the idea of a feud that I think her and Charlie are both
• 48:10
  very in on together. Yeah, so Charlie uses eristor
• 48:14
  visuals at the end of her mockumentary, including
• 48:19
  literally the vigilante shit chair dance.
• 48:22
  Literally like bedazzled knee high boots.
• 48:24
  Literally confetti. Like Ugg Taylor or is it just
• 48:28
  like no? It's her recreating the eristor
• 48:31
  that make it rat because the the theme of the moment is this is
• 48:38
  choices that I didn't make or these are choices that I didn't
• 48:42
  make when I was creating brat. And it's like if she had
• 48:45
  followed the path of like, listening to authority figures
• 48:48
  and doing things the way that they've been done before instead
• 48:51
  of doing things her own way. Wow.
• 48:54
  It's basically like if Charlie was a showgirl.
• 48:56
  What is? What is the tone of it?
• 48:58
  The tone is neutral. It's sort of like it's her
• 49:03
  saying I'm glad I didn't do brat this way but like brat is like
• 49:07
  real Charlie and showgirl is or the era's tour was showgirl
• 49:12
  Taylor. Right.
• 49:14
  This is made to entertain for that purpose, right?
• 49:18
  Yeah. Interesting.
• 49:20
  People going to see the movie will take it as shade,
• 49:23
  definitely. And I think with Actually
• 49:25
  Romantic, I think Taylor just wanted to write a super gay song
• 49:28
  about a girl making her what she needed someone for people to
• 49:32
  think it was about. They're like, obviously she
• 49:34
  would never fuck Charli XCX. It's like not obviously so that
• 49:39
  people could like think about that and think about the feud
• 49:41
  more than they're actually thinking about the gay part of
• 49:44
  the song. And then of course, gaylors are
• 49:46
  actually going to take the gay part of the song.
• 49:48
  Like it's the perfect concept of a song for Taylor Swift because
• 49:53
  it pleases everyone. Yeah, and Charlie has talked so
• 49:57
  much in her interviews and on her sub stack about persona and
• 50:01
  like performance. And if you watch interviews with
• 50:04
  her, she's so nice. She's a people pleaser that
• 50:08
  comes through in the movie a lot.
• 50:09
  Like doesn't know what to do, just wants validation.
• 50:12
  I just can't imagine that they're actually pissed at each
• 50:14
  other then. Meanwhile Jack is friends with
• 50:18
  both of them and I think having Jack not be a present face in
• 50:24
  the showgirl I think like helps the idea that they're feuding.
• 50:28
  Oh my God I didn't see her face. Melrose, you're so fucking cute.
• 50:32
  Last thing about the music video for the ending scene where it
• 50:36
  says garbage is still garbage. What are your thoughts?
• 50:39
  For me, I was like, that's classic Taylor.
• 50:43
  And like, I've thought maybe it's about like Kanye, OK, but
• 50:48
  it could also just be a general statement in the in the end of
• 50:52
  an era docu series when she says men will let you down, the era
• 50:55
  store never will. Like I think she's also trying
• 50:58
  to get the point across. Like if you're dating someone
• 51:00
  who's garbage, you can't create fake happiness with them.
• 51:03
  They're still going to be garbage.
• 51:04
  You should just leave them. OK love.
• 51:07
  Yeah, like this spray can only work it's magic on so many
• 51:11
  situations. On natural beings like rocks and
• 51:14
  cacti, not a man made garbage can.
• 51:17
  Right, a lot of this music video for me feels like me, like me
• 51:23
  exclamation point the song, but for the life of showgirl and it
• 51:27
  just even the music video and the fact that it's kind of like
• 51:31
  a juvenile song. It's like an uplifting song for
• 51:34
  me for like queer kids. That's how my interpretation of
• 51:37
  it this like attempt to be uplifting in a queer way where
• 51:43
  it just feels like also the music video is so overtly queer.
• 51:46
  Maybe obviously a lot more and me and you need to calm down.
• 51:49
  But for me, when I was watching this, I was like, oh, this is
• 51:52
  kind of the same vibe. Like we are back in the Lover
• 51:55
  era. And I feel like the music video
• 51:57
  is now, at least for me, making me enjoy the song more, like
• 52:02
  adding in more depth. Like when I first was listening
• 52:06
  to it, I wasn't obsessed. But now it's it's up there.
• 52:11
  It's moving up my ratings. Yeah, I feel like a lot of the
• 52:14
  wording is just so simple in this album.
• 52:17
  Like life is a song. It ends when it ends, you move
• 52:20
  on. Like usually she would be like
• 52:23
  life is but a melody twinkling to the trees and a lights upon
• 52:27
  my ear. So true.
• 52:29
  And so it's just like she said things in more plain text.
• 52:31
  But that doesn't mean the song doesn't have just as much
• 52:34
  meaning as it usually does. It's just less flowery.
• 52:37
  Yeah, I think she she also said this during the promo for the
• 52:42
  Showgirl where she was saying like if you want to only, or
• 52:46
  maybe this is during the New Heights podcast, if you want to
• 52:48
  only like dig so deep, like that's for you.
• 52:51
  But for those that want to continue to dig deeper, there is
• 52:55
  that. And I feel like the guise of
• 52:58
  this album is that it is simple and straightforward.
• 53:04
  Meanwhile, she admits during the docu series, I love to layer in
• 53:08
  multiple themes and metaphors and narratives.
• 53:13
  So if you only take it from like one perspective, which is Taylor
• 53:16
  singing to Travis, the album's going to feel very flat.
• 53:19
  But I don't think that's the intention.
• 53:23
  And I feel like the music video like shows that complexity
• 53:26
  because we're talking about it and there's like 3 different
• 53:29
  ways to think about each metaphor in this.
• 53:33
  Like what is the rock? We've you know what I mean?
• 53:36
  I feel like songs like that, like from her earlier albums
• 53:39
  too. I've been connecting so much
• 53:41
  with Shake It Off recently. The theme of dancing and it
• 53:44
  comes up in Opalite in like dancing through the lightning
• 53:46
  strikes. But Shake It Off is like while
• 53:49
  you've been getting out, down and out about the liars and The
• 53:51
  Dirty, dirty cheats of the world, super relevant right now.
• 53:54
  Like, all of us are down and out about all of these really
• 53:56
  greedy, powerful, horrible men facing zero consequences and
• 54:00
  running all of our lives and ruining all of our lives.
• 54:04
  You could have been getting down to this sick beat.
• 54:07
  And, you know, it sounds so shallow on the surface, but I
• 54:09
  think the way that she uses dancing is to say, like, if you
• 54:13
  keep being a moving target, they can't get you.
• 54:17
  Like, you have to keep dancing. You have to keep changing your
• 54:19
  plan to the circumstances and the winds.
• 54:22
  And, you know, like, don't get yourself mired down in one
• 54:25
  place. Like be flexible, be nimble, and
• 54:28
  have fun. Yes.
• 54:31
  And I feel like that works so much with Opalite.
• 54:33
  Like when her plans keep getting fucked up, she's like going to
• 54:37
  create a situation where it works for her.
• 54:41
  And I also feel like for her, dancing is like almost like the
• 54:47
  insecure Taylor. Like she's talked so many times
• 54:49
  about how like I'm not a strong dancer and like I feel like I'm
• 54:53
  an awkward dancer and all this stuff.
• 54:55
  And like, yet we see so many times she does these, like,
• 54:57
  awkward dance scenes and these music videos.
• 55:01
  And I feel like that's like, such a big concept for her of
• 55:05
  like, despite being the showgirl and being on and doing this
• 55:07
  performance, like, she's still at the end of this music video
• 55:10
  getting scored 000. And like, that's the point.
• 55:15
  And so like, yeah, like, you can take it very simply.
• 55:17
  But like, it's also like kind of a lovely message and not to
• 55:21
  ramble on too much, but what you were just saying of like with
• 55:26
  Shake It Off, she was talking about in the docu series and
• 55:29
  this talks about politics a little bit about how the
• 55:31
  election was coming up. And of course, I wish she said
• 55:35
  more about the election, but she was saying like, I want the
• 55:39
  errors to her to be a distraction.
• 55:42
  And I know we all kind of think about and maybe just the Gaylord
• 55:44
  community, we talked about Taylor distracting from politics
• 55:49
  and like kind of a negative connotation.
• 55:52
  But lately for me, I have been really leaning into distraction
• 55:58
  and it actually got me like super powerful.
• 56:00
  It is very easy to say like the way to move forward is to
• 56:04
  approach everything head on and like give your energy towards
• 56:07
  every single bad thing we see. But there is a lot of like
• 56:11
  goodness in in creating a distraction for people.
• 56:14
  Like Taylor knows most of her fans are like young women that
• 56:18
  are probably very like influenced by like the shitty
• 56:21
  things that are happening. And to create like, I don't
• 56:25
  know, like a space and a distraction like Gaylor is that
• 56:28
  like we're here having a really, really interesting time talking
• 56:31
  about this music video and not thinking about Jeffrey Epstein's
• 56:35
  island. I'm like joy and like new joy
• 56:38
  happen and not be thinking about politics all the time.
• 56:41
  So like there's a way to take that that's not necessarily
• 56:44
  like, oh, distracting so that evil people can keep doing their
• 56:46
  evil things, but more like creating a world that we can
• 56:50
  dive into. Yeah, I think there's there's
• 56:53
  like so much I. Could say about that.
• 56:56
  Say it. And the first thing is that that
• 56:58
  gives a. Different.
• 56:59
  Not even a different but like a more all-encompassing meaning to
• 57:02
  Opalite. Like not only is she creating
• 57:05
  happiness for herself, but she's creating happiness and like a
• 57:07
  safe space for all of her fans. And like 2 days ago they
• 57:11
  announced that there's gonna be an OPA light music video.
• 57:13
  And I was like, Oh my God, life is worth living for real.
• 57:16
  This is maybe me being a Gemini moon, but I think that one of
• 57:20
  the things that we need to do in order for society to heal is to
• 57:24
  have more parties. And I think this is sort of like
• 57:27
  the same vein as that. Like we really just need to get
• 57:29
  people happy and get them together.
• 57:31
  And like right now it's very difficult because a thing of
• 57:34
  cheese is $6. And if you're trying to
• 57:36
  entertain, that's going to cost way more money than I have.
• 57:40
  Please invite me to any and all cool parties that I'll let you
• 57:44
  know. Dude and Vice.
• 57:45
  Versa, if it's not too late, buy a ticket to the heated rivalry
• 57:49
  event. We can go together.
• 57:50
  I'm actually seeing that stoned so I can't.
• 57:55
  No, I think it's such a good point.
• 57:57
  It seems so. Basic and like non intellectual,
• 58:01
  but like it really is true that like we just need to have fun.
• 58:06
  And I, I honestly was like losing my mind with like only
• 58:11
  consuming and talking about the horrible things are happening.
• 58:14
  And like, I think there's obviously a duty that we all
• 58:16
  have to like be informed to a certain level and spread the
• 58:21
  good word. And then there is also a huge
• 58:25
  need for us to take care of our minds so we don't, so we can
• 58:30
  like keep up humanity. It's actually super important
• 58:35
  right now to have worlds that people can live in.
• 58:39
  Like I literally it's like and I hate it here music video that
• 58:43
  she gave us right, And I think I think it's so great.
• 58:47
  To not see things as black and white, like to have the
• 58:50
  flexibility to be like, today I think escapism is bad and
• 58:53
  tomorrow I'll think it's good. You know, I think it's great to
• 58:56
  be able to navigate both of those and like, have curiosity
• 58:59
  about like what's best for me today.
• 59:01
  I think that we need to have a in.
• 59:04
  Person podcast session or just hang out and then cuz this was
• 59:08
  just a warm up you guys this was just the trailer thank you so
• 59:12
  much for coming on the pod. This was a delight and I'm
• 59:15
  really glad we got to specifically talk about the O
• 59:18
  Play music video because I can't imagine we could have had better
• 59:22
  timing. I cannot believe it came out
• 59:24
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• 59:26
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