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Antibiotics and the Resistance Crisis · Talking Science

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I want you to imagine a world where something
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as, you know, completely mundane as a scratch
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from a rosebush could be a fatal injury. Like,
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you are out in the garden, you snag your hand
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on the thorn, and within a few days you're literally
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fighting for your life. Right, which sounds terrifying
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today. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like ancient history.
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Yeah. But that was the everyday reality just
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a century ago. It really was. Before the era
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of modern medicine, a simple scrape could easily
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mean a systemic infection. Wow. Yeah. Pneumonia
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routinely killed, I think, roughly a third of
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everyone who caught it. And childbirth carried
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this terrifying risk of fatal infection. Which
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is just so hard to wrap your head around now.
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Exactly. And even routine surgery was extraordinarily
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dangerous. But usually not because of the operation
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itself. Right, it's a bacteria. Yeah, the bacteria
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that managed to get into the wound afterwards.
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I mean, if you had a compound fracture in the
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1920s, the standard of care was often immediate
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amputation. Just to prevent the infection. Right,
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because an infection wasn't just a possibility
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then, it was a near certainty. OK, let's unpack
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this, because what we're looking at in today's
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deep dive isn't just, you know, a pill you take
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for a bad cough. Based on our sources, antibiotics
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act as the literal structural foundation of our
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entire health care system. They absolutely do.
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So our mission today is to figure out not just
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how these drugs perform their biological magic,
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but why we might be on the precipice of losing
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them. So if antibiotics are the foundation. What
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happens when it cracks? Well, if that foundation
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cracks, the entire building comes down. I mean,
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antibiotics made entirely new branches of modern
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medicine possible. Like what? Think about organ
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transplants. Joint replacements, intensive care,
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cesarean sections. Basically anything invasive.
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Exactly. All of these procedures depend on the
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ability to control infection in patients who
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have been deliberately opened up by surgeons
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or patients who are immunosuppressed. Right.
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Meaning their natural defenses are deliberately
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lowered, like during chemotherapy for cancer.
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Yeah, exactly. Their immune system is temporarily
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offline. So the antibiotic is essentially acting
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as a stand in defense. So if you take that away.
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You don't just lose a treatment for a chest cold.
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You lose the safety margin underneath a massive
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percentage of what hospitals do every single
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day. That is exactly the stake here. And, you
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know, to understand the scale of what we might
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lose, we really have to look at the incredibly
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lucky way we actually found it in the first place.
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Oh, the Alexander Fleming story. Right. Most
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people know the name Alexander Fleming in the
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year 1928. He famously returned from a holiday
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to find that a culture plate he'd left out a
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plate that was growing Staphylococcus bacteria
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had been contaminated by a mold. A mold called
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penicillium. Yep. And it was doing something
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totally bizarre to the bacteria around it. Right.
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And the sources describe this like empty halo.
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Exactly. There was a clear empty zone all around
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the mold where the bacteria had just died. The
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mold was actively secreting a substance that
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wiped them out. Which is wild. Just totally by
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accident. Pure chance. And Fleming realized the
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potential and published his findings. But the
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thing is, he was a microbiologist, not a chemist.
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So the active substance in the mold was incredibly
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unstable. He just couldn't figure out how to
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purify it into a usable quantity. Oh, so it just
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sat there. Yeah, the work basically languished
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for an entire decade. Wow. It's like humanity
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stumbled upon a magical shield by pure accident
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and then just casually tossed it in a closet
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for 10 years. Pretty much. The chemistry was
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physically too fragile to turn into a usable
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tool until... Well, until the sheer desperation
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of World War II forced the issue. Right, right.
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As a dragon attacked, we frantically pulled the
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shield out of the closet. Exactly. The sheer
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desperation and the work of Howard Flory and
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Ernst Chain at Oxford University. They took Fleming's
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observation and actually turned it into a drug.
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But it wasn't easy, was it? Oh, it was a monumental
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struggle. Early on, they were growing this mold
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in literally anything they could find. I'm talking
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milk churns, bed pans, custom ceramic vessels,
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just to extract. A few milligrams of the active
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ingredient. Which brings up the human element
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of this history. Yeah. I mean, they had to test
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it on someone eventually. They did. And one of
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the very first patients was a police officer
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named Albert Alexander. His story is just tragic,
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honestly. It is. He had scratched his face on
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a rosebush, incredibly enough, and developed
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a horrific, life -threatening infection. So they
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gave him their tiny, precious supply of extracted
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penicillin. And it worked at first, right? It
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did. He experienced a miraculous recovery, but
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they simply couldn't produce enough of it. They
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ran out of the drug, and the infection returned
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exactly as vicious. as before, and he passed
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away. Oh, man. It perfectly highlights the production
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bottleneck. Like, they knew they had a miracle,
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they just couldn't make enough of it. Right.
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Not until they moved the operation to the U .S.
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and figured out deep tank fermentation, they
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managed to mass produce it just in time for the
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D -Day invasion. Okay, but here's what I don't
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get about the collateral damage. If Flory and
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Chain are mass producing this, like mold juice
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in World War II, to kill microscopic cells inside
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wounded soldiers, why wasn't it melting the soldiers
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from the inside out? That's a great question.
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I mean, if it's lethal to cells, how does it
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know which ones to kill? So that brings us to
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a concept called selective toxicity. Selective
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toxicity. Okay, yeah. Antibiotics exploit the
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fundamental biological differences between us
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and them. Because we are eukaryotic, meaning
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our cells have that complex central command center,
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the nucleus, and various specialized compartments.
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Right, but the bacteria don't. Exactly. The bacteria's
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simple prokaryotic structure gives us a unique
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target to hit. They are built differently from
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the ground up. So it's an architectural difference.
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Basically. If you can find a piece of machinery
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that a bacterial cell needs to survive, but a
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human cell doesn't even possess, well, you can
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attack it safely. That makes sense. For example,
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pen— Penicillin and its relatives work by disrupting
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the construction of the bacterial cell wall.
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Which is like a rigid outer layer, right? Yeah,
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sort of like a chain -link fence that wraps around
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the bacteria. It's crucial for them because it
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stops the cell from bursting under its own internal
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pressure. And human cells just have flexible
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membranes, not rigid walls. So it's basically
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like a wrecking ball that is magically programmed
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to only shatter bricks. That's a perfect way
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to look at it. Because human houses are made
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of glass, the wrecking ball swings right through
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without leaving a single scratch. But it absolutely
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obliterates the brick houses of the bacteria.
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Exactly. The wrecking ball only hits the bricks.
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But, you know, some antibiotics don't go after
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the walls at all. They go after the machinery
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inside. Like what kind of machinery? Specifically
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the bacterial ribosome. Ribosomes are the tiny
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biological machines inside a cell that assemble
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proteins. But wait, humans have ribosomes too,
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right? We do, but they are structurally different
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from bacterial ribosomes. Oh, I see. So scientists
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design drugs that act like a wrench jammed into
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the gears of the bacterial ribosome. It shuts
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their assembly line down while leaving our human
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ribosomes working. perfectly fine. Precisely.
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And other antibiotics interfere with how bacteria
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replicate their DNA or how they synthesize essential
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nutrients like folate. But the principle is always
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the same. Right. In every case, they are exploiting
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chemical pathways that exist in bacteria but
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differ significantly or are completely absent
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in our own bodies. Okay, here's where it gets
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really interesting for me. If we have this hyper
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-targeted wrecking ball, it raises a very common,
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very frustrating question. know where you're
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going with this. If I feel terrible with a nasty
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winter cold, why can't I just take the penicillin?
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Right. And the short answer is that antibiotics
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do absolutely nothing whatsoever against viruses.
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Nothing at all. Nothing. The common cold, most
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sore throats, influenza, COVID -19. These are
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all viral infections, not bacterial ones. Because
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they're built completely differently. Exactly.
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Viruses don't have cell walls. They don't have
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their own ribosomes. They don't even have the
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targets the drugs are looking for. Right. They
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are. essentially just tiny packets of genetic
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code that sneak into your body and hijack your
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human cellular machinery to copy themselves.
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So taking an antibiotic for a virus is like deploying
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a spike strip on a highway to stop a runaway
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train. Ah, yeah, exactly. The train doesn't have
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rubber tires. The spike strip has zero targets
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to hit on the train, but it's going to ruin the
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tires of every normal car on that road. That
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collateral damage is the real issue. You are
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applying a solution to a problem it fundamentally
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cannot solve. And it actually does harm. Yes.
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You risk side effects and you disrupt your own
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beneficial gut bacteria, the normal cars on the
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road, to use your analogy. Because they actually
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have. the targets the drug hits. Exactly. Since
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they are bacteria, the antibiotic will wipe them
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out. And most importantly, you contribute to
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the global crisis of antibiotic resistance. And
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the resistance is really the terrifying part
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of the source material. We've used this spike
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strip so often for colds, and we've used the
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wrecking ball so heavily for actual bacterial
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infections. They're material adapted. They are.
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But the source points out that this wasn't a
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surprise, was it? Alexander Fleming himself explicitly
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warned about resistance during his Nobel Prize
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lecture in 1945. He saw it coming. He absolutely
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did, because resistance is simply evolution doing
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exactly what evolution does. It is all about
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numbers and speed. How fast are we talking? Well,
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a bacterial population inside an infection is
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massive, and it's genetically variable. Plus,
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some species can divide and double their population
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every 20 minutes. Okay, wait. So if one bacterium
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survives the antibiotic, it's just one bug. How
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does that one survivor turn into a systemic drug
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-resistant infection so fast? Because of that
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20 -minute math, one becomes two, two becomes
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four, four becomes eight. Oh, wow. Exponential
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growth. Right. And every time they divide, there
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is a chance for a random genetic mutation. So
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in any large population of bacteria, some individuals
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will carry a mutation that makes them less susceptible
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to a specific antibiotic just by pure chance.
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What do these mutations actually look like on
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a cellular level? Like how are they fighting
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off the drug? Well, some mutations modify the
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target protein so the drug can't bind to it anymore.
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Basically, the lock is changed so the key doesn't
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fit. OK, that makes sense. Other mutations create
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a tiny biological pump. an efflux pump, that
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acts like someone bailing water out of a sinking
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boat. It literally ejects the drug back out of
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the cell before it can do damage. That is incredibly
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clever. Or they might produce an enzyme that
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acts like a pair of chemical scissors, just cutting
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the antibiotic molecule into harmless pieces.
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So these mutant bacteria are just sitting there
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in the population. Then you apply the antibiotic.
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And the drug floods in and kills the susceptible
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majority, all the normal bacteria that don't
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have the pump or the scissors. Yes. The resistant
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few survive. And suddenly all their competitors
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have just been wiped out. They have all the resources,
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all the space, and they multiply rapidly. So
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the drug doesn't create the resistance. No, it
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doesn't force the bacteria to mutate. It selects
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for it. It acts as a very harsh filter, leaving
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the resistant ones behind to take over. But bacteria
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have an additional trick that makes this situation
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so much worse than basic natural selection, don't
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they? Ah, yes. Plasmids. Right. They have these
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small circular loops of DNA called plasmids.
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What do those do? Plasmids allow bacteria to
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transfer genetic material sideways. Sideways.
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Yeah. So beyond just passing their genetic traits
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vertically down to their offspring when they
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divide, they can hand treats horizontally to
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other living things. individuals, even between
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completely different species of bacteria. Wait,
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so they aren't just passing trace to their kids.
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It's like. One bacterium figures out the video
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game cheat code for invincibility and just airdrops
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it to every other bacteria in the room, even
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if they aren't the same species. That's exactly
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what it is. A resistance gene that evolves by
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chance in a completely harmless species of gut
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bacteria can be physically handed over via a
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plasmid to a highly dangerous pathogen. A pathogen
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that never evolved that resistance on its own.
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That is terrifying. It is. Resistance spreads
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through bacterial communities much more like
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shared software than inherited traits. So if
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bacteria are already airdropping key codes to
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each other, human behavior must be providing
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the absolute perfect environment for them to
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test those codes on a massive scale. Unfortunately,
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yes. We provide the perfect training ground.
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In human medicine, this connects to the classic
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advice to finish your prescription. Right, the
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old take all the pills rule. Exactly. If you
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stop early just because you feel better, you've
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only killed the weakest bacteria. You're leaving
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behind the hardiest survivors, the ones who are
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fighting the hardest against the drug. So by
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stopping early, you just hand them a clear field
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to multiply. Yes. Now, the source does note that
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exact course lengths are actually a subject of
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legitimate, ongoing scientific debate right now.
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For some conditions, shorter courses are increasingly
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supported by evidence. Right. So we aren't saying
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the old 10 -day rule is perfectly absolute for
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everything. No. The science on optimal course
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length is constantly evolving. But the key takeaway
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from the source is that adjusting the course
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length is a question for prescribers to determine
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based on clinical trials. Right. It's not a license
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for a patient to just stop taking their medication
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on a whim the moment their throat stops hurting.
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Exactly. Leave it to the professionals. But even
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with human prescriptions. The source points out
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that human medicine isn't actually the biggest
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driver of this problem, is it? The bigger driver
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is agriculture. That's right. The sheer volume
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of antibiotics used in agriculture completely
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dwarfs human medicine. Really? Like how much?
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Massive amounts. Historically, and still in many
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parts of the world today, enormous quantities
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of antibiotics are given to livestock. And they
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aren't just given to treat sick animals. Why
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else would they give them? They're given routinely
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in feed or water to promote growth. altering
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the animal's gut microbiome can actually make
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them put on weight faster. Wow. Yeah. And it's
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also used to prevent disease from sweeping through
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crowded farming conditions. So that creates a
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vast continuous selection pressure across huge
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global bacterial populations. Yeah. You're basically
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constantly filtering for the most resistant strains
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on an industrial scale. Exactly. And remember
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the plasmids we talked about. Resistant bacteria
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do not respect the boundary between the farm
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and the hospital. They could just airdrop the
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cheat code. Yep. A resistant strain that develops
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in livestock can and does make its way into the
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human population. So what does this all mean
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for you and me right now? Like the next time
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you go to the pharmacy and pay a few dollars
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for a Z -Pak, are you participating in a system
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where the foundation is already crumbling? Sadly,
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yes. We are already seeing the consequences of
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these supercharged farm hopping bacteria. Are
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we seeing them in normal hospitals? We are. We're
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seeing infections today that are resistant to
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most and sometimes all available drugs. MRSA
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is a famous example, a staph infection that has
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developed resistance to methicillin and its relatives.
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Right. You hear about MRSA all the time. And
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we are seeing strains of tuberculosis that are
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resistant to multiple frontline drugs, turning
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the treatment into something incredibly long,
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highly toxic. and very expensive. The source
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also mentioned something about gram negative
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infections. It said they're forcing doctors into
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a really dark corner where they have to rely
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on drugs they know are dangerous. Yeah, that's
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a really grim reality. There are certain types
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of infections that are approaching the point
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where modern drugs just don't work. So clinicians
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are forced to reach back into the past. To older
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drugs. Yeah, they're having to use drugs that
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were shelved decades ago because they were known
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to severely damage the kidneys. But they use
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them anyway. They are knowingly using kidney
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damaging drugs because they literally have no
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other option to save the patient's life. Current
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estimates attribute well over one million deaths
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a year globally directly to drug resistant infections.
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Over a million. That naturally leads to the question
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of why the pharmaceutical companies aren't fixing
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this. I mean, if the bugs are getting smarter,
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shouldn't we just invent new, smarter drugs?
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You would think so, but the pipeline for new
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antibiotics has largely dried up. Most of the
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classes we use today were discovered between
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the 1940s and the 1960s. Wait, really? We haven't
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had major breakthroughs since the 60s. Very few.
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Part of the reason is scientific. The low -hanging
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fruit, the easy compounds like penicillin were
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found first. It is genuinely harder to find new
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mechanisms of selective toxicity that won't harm
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the human patient. Right. Finding a new wrecking
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ball is hard. Exactly. But the primary hurdle
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isn't actually the science. It's a profound market
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failure. Okay. Let's look at the economics then.
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Developing a new drug is astronomically expensive.
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Right. It costs... Roughly a billion dollars
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to bring a new drug to market. A billion. So
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if a pharmaceutical company invents a drug for
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high blood pressure or cholesterol, a patient
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might take that drug every single day for the
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rest of their life. Right. So the company makes
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a steady, massive return on their investment.
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But antibiotics are taken for an acute infection.
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You take it for a week, maybe two. The volume
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of sales per patient is incredibly low. Oh, I
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see. And it gets much worse when you consider
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how the medical community treats a truly novel
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antibiotic. What do you mean? If a company miraculously
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invents a brilliant new antibiotic that works
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against these resistant superbugs. responsible
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doctors will deliberately hoard it. Hoard it?
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Why? They will keep that newest antibiotic in
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reserve as an absolute last resort to prevent
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the bacteria from developing resistance to this
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shiny weapon. Oh, wow. It's like spending a billion
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dollars to invent the world's most advanced fire
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extinguisher. But the fire chief says, this is
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so precious, we're only going to use it if the
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entire city is burning down. Exactly. It's great
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for public safety, but the inventor who spent
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a billion dollars... goes totally broke. The
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economic incentives point entirely in the wrong
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direction. The product is deliberately under
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-prescribed by design. As a result, several small
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pharmaceutical firms that actually succeeded
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in developing new effective antibiotics have
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gone bankrupt trying to sell them. That is insane.
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They couldn't make enough money to keep the lights
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on despite inventing a life -saving drug. Exactly.
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So if the economics are actively discouraging
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progress, is there any hope on the horizon? Because
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if the bacteria are sharing invincibility codes,
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we need a new approach. There are massive efforts
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to change the rules of the game. On the economic
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side, governments are looking at subscription
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-style payment models. How does that work? This
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would mean a health care system pays a flat,
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large subscription fee to the drug company for
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access to the antibiotic, decoupling their revenue
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from how many pills are actually sold. Oh, think
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of it like a Netflix subscription for emergency
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drugs. Perfect analogy. The company gets paid
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a sustainable rate whether the drug is used once
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or a thousand times. That solves the billion
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-dollar fire extinguisher problem? What about
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the science itself? On the scientific front,
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researchers are looking closely at bacteriophages.
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Bacteriophages? What are those? These are viruses
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that specifically hunt, infect, and kill bacteria.
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They look a bit like tiny alien lunar landers
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under a microscope. Oh, so the enemy of my enemy
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is my friend. If a virus only attacks bacteria,
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it's the ultimate selectively toxic weapon. Exactly.
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And the massive advantage of a bacteriophage
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over a traditional antibiotic is that a phage
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is a living biological entity. Meaning what?
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Well, penicillin is a static chemical molecule.
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It doesn't change. But if a bacterium mutates
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to block a bacteriophage, the bacteriophage can
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also mutate to find a new way in. Whoa. So it's
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a biological arms race that we can potentially
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harness. Yes. And scientists are also exploring
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antimicrobial peptides and using vast machine
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learning algorithms to scan chemical libraries,
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identifying novel compounds that human researchers
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might miss. So we aren't out of options. Not
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at all. The tools are there. This is a very unusual
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crisis because we know exactly what is causing
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it, evolution accelerated by our own overuse,
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and we know roughly what would help. The core
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difficulty isn't really the science anymore.
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No, it's human behavior and human systems. It's
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us getting out of our own way. Well, we've talked
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a lot today about how bacteria adapt to survive,
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and I want to leave you with a thought to mull
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over. If bacteria have learned to survive by
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freely open -sourcing their genetic software
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across species, handing out resistance traits
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to anyone who needs them, it makes you wonder
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if humanity needs to rethink our own systems.
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Maybe we need to shift away from traditional
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capitalism when it comes to antibiotics and learn
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to share our medical defenses just as freely
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to keep up. Because the next time you brush against
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a rosebush, you shouldn't have to wonder if it's
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going to be your last time in the garden.