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BREAKING NEWS in Jonelle Matthews search: 12-year-old girl goes missing after school pageant · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a twelve year old little
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  Speaker 1: girl sings for the choir and then goes missing, seemingly
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  Speaker 1: vanishing into thin air. On December twentieth, nineteen eighty four,
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  Speaker 1: Janelle Matthews attended a church excuse me, a school choir
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  Speaker 1: concert about a block and a half from where we
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  Speaker 1: stand right now. She was driven home to her West
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  Speaker 1: Greally home by her family friend, walked into her house,
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  Speaker 1: and that was the last time she was seen alive.
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  Speaker 1: By the time her father arrived home an hour later,
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  Speaker 1: Janelle was missing. What ensued was a thirty five year
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  Speaker 1: long investigation into her disappearance. President Ronald Reagan mentioned and
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  Speaker 1: Lle by name in a speech in nineteen eighty five.
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  Speaker 1: Her picture in her identifying information was one of the
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  Speaker 1: first to be on the milk curtains. They were put
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  Speaker 1: out in all of the schools nationwide by the National
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  Speaker 1: Child Safety Council. Numerous searches were conducted in Northern Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing from those searches ever, led to any answers about
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  Speaker 1: Janelle's disappearance. Guys, I don't understand how a family friend
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  Speaker 1: can drive the child home. The father gets there one
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  Speaker 1: hour later and she's gone, joining me an all star
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  Speaker 1: panel to break it down and put it back together again.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, judge and trial lawyer and mom anchor
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  Speaker 1: at Court TV, Ashley Wilcott. You can find her at
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot dot com. Doctor Daniel Bow, psychiatrist, Chief of Psychiatry,
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  Speaker 1: Memorial Regional Healthcare Systems, Clinical Professor Yale. You can find
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  Speaker 1: them on instat at Doctor Daniel Bober. Robert Crispin, private
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  Speaker 1: investigator Crispin Special Investigations dot com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. Author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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  Speaker 1: Amazon and now star of a new hit show, Poisonous
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  Speaker 1: Liaisons on True Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan, Crime Online
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  Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter Levi Page, and Crime Online dot
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  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter and journalist Lee Egan. But first I
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  Speaker 1: want to go to former reporter KMGHTV Denver, Stuart Jacoby.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Stewart, I want to thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for being with us formerly right there KMGHTV. What was
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  Speaker 1: the feeling in the community in those very first days.
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  Speaker 1: There just seemed to be this silence around the home
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  Speaker 1: from the first day and even in the weeks followed,
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  Speaker 1: because the entire community was simply shocked that this beautiful
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  Speaker 1: twelve year old girl should simply vanish without a trace,
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  Speaker 1: and there were no signs of a struggle. So if
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  Speaker 1: she had been abducted, it was obvious to all of
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  Speaker 1: us that it would have been by somebody that she
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  Speaker 1: knew and trusted. But she was simply gone, you know.
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  Speaker 1: To Lee Egan, Crime online dot Com investigat ay reporter
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  Speaker 1: and journalist, Lee, why is it? And you and I've
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  Speaker 1: covered this a million times, and I've tried a case
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  Speaker 1: like this where when a young girl, this age twelve thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: this time, Janelle is just twelve years old, goes missing,
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  Speaker 1: everybody says runaway, and it's kind of chalked off that
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  Speaker 1: she'll eventually be heard from and she'll be found. Lee,
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  Speaker 1: tell me about out when the dad got home, What
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  Speaker 1: was the scene in the home, and where had she been?
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  Speaker 1: Lee Egan, She had been. She was a singer. She
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  Speaker 1: loved to sing, and she was at a middle school
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  Speaker 1: choir concert. Her father was at a basketball game with
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  Speaker 1: her older sister at a nearby high school and an
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  Speaker 1: hour earlier than the basketball game. So she comes home
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  Speaker 1: her friend Dianna, and her father, Lee Egan one second
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  Speaker 1: right there. To Robert Crispin PI at Crispin Special Investigations,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear what Lee Egan just told me,
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  Speaker 1: because you know Robert, and tell me right wrong, Disagree,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I just want to know what you think.
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  Speaker 1: The father is the one that finds her missing. The
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  Speaker 1: father comes home, and in most situations, we look immediately
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  Speaker 1: at the family, i e. The older brother, the crazy uncle,
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  Speaker 1: the cousin that's living there without a job, or the father.
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  Speaker 1: And what Lee Egan's just telling me, The father has
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  Speaker 1: an alibi. He was at a ball game. I think
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  Speaker 1: she said basketball game with the sister. So this time
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  Speaker 1: we can cross the dad out. Why don't we always
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  Speaker 1: start with the family, Robert Crispin, Well, obviously it's the
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  Speaker 1: family's worst nightmare, or the parents worst nightmare, to come
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  Speaker 1: home and find their child missing. But why do we
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  Speaker 1: focus their first? We focus their first because they have
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  Speaker 1: the most knowledge of the child, They have the most
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  Speaker 1: knowledge of the activities withinside the home, and as an investigator,
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  Speaker 1: we want to talk to those people right away because
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  Speaker 1: a trained investigator immediately is going to pick up something
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  Speaker 1: that's not right. They're going to pick up something that's wrong,
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  Speaker 1: an incorrect statement, a sense of they're trying to hide something.
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  Speaker 1: So immediately they go right to the family. He's got
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  Speaker 1: an alibi. That's great. We move on to the next one.
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  Speaker 1: We start talking to the neighbors. We start talking to
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  Speaker 1: exactly brother, the sister out Robert Crispin, Private Eye, Crispin's
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  Speaker 1: Special Investigations is right. Plus doctor Daniel Bober forensic psychiatrists.
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  Speaker 1: It can't argue with stats. Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. More often
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  Speaker 1: than not, it's the intimates. It's what your previous guests
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  Speaker 1: said about them having the most knowledge of the patterns,
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  Speaker 1: the lifestyles and the comings and going. So that's always
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  Speaker 1: who they look at totally. And I mean that aside
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  Speaker 1: just statistics. If you don't start with the nuclear family,
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  Speaker 1: you're mishandling the investigation. Back to Ulee again. So the
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  Speaker 1: dad gets home for the basketball game with his sister,
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  Speaker 1: and then what and then everything looks completely normal. He
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  Speaker 1: noticed that Janelle Shoes and her shaw were sitting next
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  Speaker 1: to a space heater, and he said, that's usually what
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  Speaker 1: she does when she gets home and wants to watch TV.
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  Speaker 1: She'll put her stuff by the heater, turn it on
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  Speaker 1: and watch TV. So he didn't think anything out of
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  Speaker 1: the ordinary until she didn't show up. Thirty minutes, still
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  Speaker 1: wasn't there, an hour, still wasn't there. Then he became worried.
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  Speaker 1: But here, yes, why he didn't notice immediately there's her
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  Speaker 1: shoes if it's cold outside and she's not in the house,
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  Speaker 1: where the hey is she? Straight back to Stewart Jacobe,
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  Speaker 1: former reporter came GHTV Denver. When you first looked at
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  Speaker 1: the story, is it true that many people thought she
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  Speaker 1: was a runaway? What did you think? She had just vanished?
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  Speaker 1: And I think that that was the mystery of the
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  Speaker 1: whole process. She was, this beautiful girl was just simply gone.
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  Speaker 1: And at the time, you know, the family had very
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  Speaker 1: strong faith, and so there was no discussion about her
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  Speaker 1: being a runaway. Nobody ever thought that she was going
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  Speaker 1: to be a runaway. She had a solid life in school,
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  Speaker 1: solid life in church, solid family life. There was just
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  Speaker 1: that just was not in the picture. She simply had vanished.
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  Speaker 1: It was just just like, you know, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: what what has happened here? And the police were as
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  Speaker 1: baffled as anybody else, and they were not able to
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  Speaker 1: put forth a whole lot of information because they just
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  Speaker 1: didn't know themselves. You know, Stuart Jacobe with me formerly
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  Speaker 1: KMGHTV Denver, who covered the case from the very beginning.
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  Speaker 1: You heard Lee Egan mentioning about the shoes and the
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  Speaker 1: shawl near a heater. Did you go out in the
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  Speaker 1: field to try to find lead Stewart. We didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to leave the We didn't want to leave the scene.
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  Speaker 1: We were outside the residents and the police had gathered
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  Speaker 1: us in a particular area, and we didn't really want
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  Speaker 1: to leave there. At this point in time, when the
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  Speaker 1: you know, the friends and neighbors and so forth, began
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  Speaker 1: searching in the area, then we would go out and
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  Speaker 1: get other pictures. But that didn't come for a while.
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  Speaker 1: She simply was gone. They had come home. She had
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  Speaker 1: been there, was obvious. Her shoes were by the chair.
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  Speaker 1: There was that wrap which I think was a shawl
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  Speaker 1: that was over the chair, and she simply was not there.
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  Speaker 1: And it was she had just vanished, and everybody was shocked.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, where as a twelve year
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  Speaker 1: old little girl out in this cold temperature outside. She
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  Speaker 1: clearly got home from the middle school choir. Event her
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  Speaker 1: shoes were there that she had worn that night, her
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  Speaker 1: shawl was there that she had taken with her, But
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  Speaker 1: no Janelle with me an all star panel. Let me
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  Speaker 1: know when we get Ashley satellite back up. We've got her.
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  Speaker 1: Good back to you, Stewart Jacoby. What type of area
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  Speaker 1: is really and was the community involved? To have a
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  Speaker 1: child simply vanished The way that she had vanished was
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  Speaker 1: just absolutely unbelievable to everybody. And what I remember was
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  Speaker 1: how shocked the entire community was and her friends, of
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  Speaker 1: course immediately began this search, and the search eventually grew
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  Speaker 1: into several hundred people, and so every day we were
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  Speaker 1: over there with our cameras and taking pictures as people
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  Speaker 1: were searching. And eventually, as I recall, it wasn't too
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  Speaker 1: long a period of time before they really stopped searching
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  Speaker 1: because it just seemed to be fruitless that she was
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  Speaker 1: going to be found. Oh, that must have broken the
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  Speaker 1: family's heart. And do you, Ashley Wilcot Judge Trial while
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  Speaker 1: your anchor Court TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com. These
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  Speaker 1: are just regular civilians. I mean, if it were you
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  Speaker 1: or we might know to immediately get to the media
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  Speaker 1: do our own searches, put up posters, contact all the databases,
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  Speaker 1: start retracing steps, look for the iPhone, where's my iPhone?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we would know so many things to do, Ashy,
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  Speaker 1: but people that are not in our business of crime
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  Speaker 1: don't know what to do. Absolutely, And keep in mind
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  Speaker 1: this was thirty five years ago, so they didn't have
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  Speaker 1: cell phones and iPhones that you could look up the
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  Speaker 1: history and see where your child was. In addition to that,
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  Speaker 1: in a small community like this, where you think, oh, wait,
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  Speaker 1: so did she go with a friend. Maybe she was so,
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  Speaker 1: and so let's just see if she went over to
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  Speaker 1: her house, this is really odd, but you would not
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  Speaker 1: something nefarious from the get go. Who would I think
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  Speaker 1: that it would be an innocent Well, gosh, head scratcher,
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  Speaker 1: where'd she go? Let's figure out where she is versus
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  Speaker 1: this is a scene of a crime, potentially, okay to you,
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  Speaker 1: Leavi Page Gally, tell me about the jurisdiction. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure out what the weather would be on that night,
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  Speaker 1: so Nancy would be really cold. I mean, it's Colorado,
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  Speaker 1: for Bat's sake, I know that. Come on, man, you're
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  Speaker 1: the investigative reporter. I'm just a lawyer. Really cold, get
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  Speaker 1: more more. That's what their winners are like. Nancy snowy O.
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  Speaker 1: I think it had snowed. I mean she was wearing
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  Speaker 1: a shawl, she was wearing shoes. There was a fire
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  Speaker 1: in the home, a heater that she placed her shoes in,
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  Speaker 1: her show in front of. She was known to sit
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  Speaker 1: in the chair where her clothes that she had left
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  Speaker 1: behind were found. You know, that's reminding me so much
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  Speaker 1: of my daughter, because she's twelve, cures Ashley, and when
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  Speaker 1: it's cold outside, she runs in and stands by the fire.
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  Speaker 1: She's a snuggle bunny. She wants to get warm and
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  Speaker 1: she will wear layers and layers and layers of clothes, socks, bedham, shoes,
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  Speaker 1: the whole shebang. Jos got Morgan Levi Pages told me
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  Speaker 1: a critical piece of information, and that was it had
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  Speaker 1: been snowing. Remember when John be A Ramsey went missing
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  Speaker 1: and snow played such an important factor in the investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Explain my thinking, Joe Scott, Well, if you've got snow, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: there is a high likelihood that anybody that had access
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  Speaker 1: to the home might very well leave prints in the snow,
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  Speaker 1: For instance, shoeprints and you know that alone is a
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  Speaker 1: significant piece of evidence in this case, because they did
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  Speaker 1: in fact say that there were footprints in the snow.
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  Speaker 1: But also you go back to the environmental factors and
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  Speaker 1: you begin to think about, you know, this girl is
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  Speaker 1: accustomed to this environment. She knows better than to leave
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  Speaker 1: the house unprotected. You're gonna tell me she's gonna walk
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  Speaker 1: out of the house barefooted. I don't think so. So
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  Speaker 1: that means that there would be something that would draw
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  Speaker 1: her to a location where maybe she was spirited away
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  Speaker 1: in some way, And that is a big indicator in
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  Speaker 1: this case, and it kind of gives us a profile
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  Speaker 1: of maybe what had happened. So no tracks in this
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  Speaker 1: note that we know of. And back to you, Lee Egan,
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  Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative journalist, investigative reporter and journalist.
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  Speaker 1: What can else Hugh tell me about the scene? Because
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering was there any forced entry, was anything in disarray?
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  Speaker 1: Did she leave a note behind? Had there been an
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  Speaker 1: argument with her family? Did she have another little twelve
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  Speaker 1: year old boyfriend or friend girl at school that they've
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  Speaker 1: ran away together on a lark? What did we learn
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  Speaker 1: from the scene? Absolutely, no arguments from the family. She
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  Speaker 1: did leave a note behind. It wasn't saying she was
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  Speaker 1: going anywhere, but her father was a principal at an
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  Speaker 1: elementary school. One of the teachers called the home and
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  Speaker 1: said he was going to be sick the next day.
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  Speaker 1: So she wrote down a note for her father and
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  Speaker 1: left it by the phone, which let them know that
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  Speaker 1: she definitely was there. You know, she had time to
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  Speaker 1: leave the note take a phone call before she disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: It gives me the feeling that somebody Jackie was watching her,
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  Speaker 1: watching her get out of the car, watching her come
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  Speaker 1: home from the school singing event, seeing her take off
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  Speaker 1: her shoes as I recall her like leotards had been
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  Speaker 1: left there too, that she had taken off possibly wet
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  Speaker 1: lea charged in the snow and was trying to get warm.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine this perv watching her take the phone
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  Speaker 1: call or maybe even just as he was about to enter.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the phone ring and the pauses. I want to
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  Speaker 1: go back out to a special guest Stewart Jacobe, former
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  Speaker 1: reporter KMGHTV Denver Stewart, again, thank you for being with
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  Speaker 1: us at the time. Did you develop a theory about
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  Speaker 1: what happened to her? There were so many theories being
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  Speaker 1: advanced at that time because there was almost an epidemic
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  Speaker 1: of missing children, not only from Colorado but from around
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  Speaker 1: the country as well, and we always kept reading in
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  Speaker 1: newspapers after newspapers of stories of these children who went missing,
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  Speaker 1: with all of these conspiracy theories and everything that was
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  Speaker 1: going on, and people were trying to link them to
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  Speaker 1: maybe serial kidnappers or something like that. But when we
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  Speaker 1: developed contact with her family, she became more real to
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  Speaker 1: all of us, and so we were certainly brought down
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  Speaker 1: to earth when we began to talk to the family
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  Speaker 1: and they again putting out appeals for people to look
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  Speaker 1: for their missing girls. You know, I'm just thinking this
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  Speaker 1: through and it happens to me a lot. To doctor
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist. We cover our stories and I
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  Speaker 1: investigated and prosecuted. Can read police reports, supplemental reports, news articles.
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  Speaker 1: But when you start dealing with the family that's searching
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  Speaker 1: for their child, not only does it become real, but
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  Speaker 1: you kind of start putting yourself in their position. What
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  Speaker 1: would I do if my daughter or my son just
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  Speaker 1: suddenly was gone? What went wrong? Did they do anything wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Was there something they could have done? Why does that
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  Speaker 1: happen to us? It only gets real when you put
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  Speaker 1: yourself in their shoes or you meet the family, doctor Bober.
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  Speaker 1: I think you developed that empathy, Nancy, when it all
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  Speaker 1: hits home, and I think when you start speaking to
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  Speaker 1: the family, then it just becomes real. It's not just
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  Speaker 1: another file on a desk. It's a real person, and
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  Speaker 1: you relate to it in a way when you think
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  Speaker 1: about the same thing could happen to you. So there,
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  Speaker 1: but by the grace of God, go on climb stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a beautiful twelve
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  Speaker 1: year old girl that goes to singing in a holiday
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  Speaker 1: special at school Junior High. She's in the seventh grade.
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  Speaker 1: I think she gets home at the parent of another
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  Speaker 1: child singing, brings her home, drops her, watches her go in.
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  Speaker 1: Dad gets home from a basketball game with sister. One
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  Speaker 1: hour later, she's gone where she's her leotards for shawl
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  Speaker 1: she wore that night because they all had a certain
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  Speaker 1: thing they were going to wear to the concert. They're
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  Speaker 1: all there. She's even taken a phone message, but no Janelle.
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  Speaker 1: Back to Stuart Jacoby, former k MGHTV Denver reporter, did
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  Speaker 1: you find the reporting on Janelle to be more personal
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  Speaker 1: than most of your cases. It was just one of
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  Speaker 1: those things where just, you know, nobody knew what happened,
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  Speaker 1: and that was the the shock of all of it,
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  Speaker 1: was that she was just simply gone. And she was
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful girl. She'd been on television singing Christmas carols,
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  Speaker 1: and we all knew, you know, we were all parents ourselves,
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  Speaker 1: and so we were always putting ourselves kind of into
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  Speaker 1: in the pictures so to speak, that you know, this
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  Speaker 1: was somebody's child, and we as reporters were trying to
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  Speaker 1: do everything that we could to keep her name out there,
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  Speaker 1: and the FAMI and friends of course wanted to keep
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  Speaker 1: her name out there. And it was amazing. Then the
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  Speaker 1: following March, when President Reagan was, you know, instituting the
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  Speaker 1: Center for Missing and Exploited Children, that was a huge,
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  Speaker 1: huge help to the case. And I was just wondering,
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  Speaker 1: Stuart Jacoby at the beginning, did you think the case
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  Speaker 1: of Janelle, her missing case would be solved quickly? I
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  Speaker 1: think we thought, yeah, she's going to be found. Somebody
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  Speaker 1: will know and will come forward, and of course with
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  Speaker 1: any kind of story, and of course the investigator's approach
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  Speaker 1: it the same way is that you know, somebody knows
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  Speaker 1: what happened. All you have to do is find the
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  Speaker 1: person that knows what happened, and eventually the case will
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  Speaker 1: be sold. And I think we're from that standpoint, yes,
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  Speaker 1: we probably we're thinking, well, somebody knows what happened, and
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  Speaker 1: they'll step forward and the case will be solved. But
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  Speaker 1: it didn't turn out that way. Straight out to Lee Egan,
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  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investiget every report at Lee. As
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  Speaker 1: the years passed, the family and others seemingly gave up hope.
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  Speaker 1: What was being done to try to find her. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the parents, they went all out trying to find their daughter,
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  Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars reward flyers to every city in the nation.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't give up until many years later. They kind
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  Speaker 1: of they didn't give up it. They kind of put
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  Speaker 1: it to rest, is what they said. And they took
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  Speaker 1: her Manudo posters off the wall. They opened her Christmas
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: presents because they wanted their older daughter to go on
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: with her life. At this point, to you, Joseph Scott Morgan,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: should the police be doing as the months pass, Well,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: you know, listen, Nancy back during that period of time.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: You know, we're going all the way back to nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty four. There was not the network in place that
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: exists now, and so everything kind of starts locally and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: it kind of ends there. Many times, you know, there
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: is you can push things out to the FBI and
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: and try to help, you know, into the state level,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: try to get information out. But unless you stay on
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: this case day in and day out, and which thing
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: this time and time again, unfortunately they're going to fade
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: into the background. Well, I guess they did everything that
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: was supposed to do, which is take fingerprints at the scene,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: try to go through her room. She probably didn't have
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: anything like a laptop or iPhone. Then well, now I'd
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: find out if there had been any communications with Franco,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: ask her best friend, look at the windows, had there
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: been forced entry. They did all of that, and then
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: a sudden change in the case. Take a listen to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Tory Mason, k C NCCBS. Four oil field workers found
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: human remains in Weld County Tuesday night, about twenty four
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  Speaker 1: miles from the Matthews home and Greeley. Evidence at the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: scene helped investigators determine the remains belonged to twelve year
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: old Janelle Matthews. According to GPD, there was red and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: blue clothing similar to what Janelle was wearing the night
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: she went missing. Now, the investigation remains active and Grilly
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Police says they're chasing tips on a suspect, trying to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: figure out what the red and blue fibers meant. How
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: far away was this We know it was twenty four miles,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: but what kind of area was it found in? Apparently
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: an oil field where construction workers were laying pipe straight
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: out to you, lead by page, tell me about the
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: discovery of Janelle's body and how much how many years
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: had passed when this was discovered. So, Nancy, thirty five
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: years had passed and in July of twenty nineteen, a
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: construction crew had found her body at an oil construction
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  Speaker 1: site twenty miles from her home, and officials confirmed the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: remains were Janell's and an autopsy was performed on her
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: body and she died of a gunshot wound to the head.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: A twelve year old girl dies of a gunshot wound.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I believe that's absolutely correct. One single gunshot wound to
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the head. You know, to you, doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: What does that tell you about the killer that he
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and no offense, gentleman, But we know it's got to
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: be a guy because it always is, almost always to
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: use a execution style gunshot wound to a little girl.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Bober Well, I mean, yes, well, what can you really say?
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's absolutely horrestic. I don't know you're animal psychiatrist,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you tell me. I mean, to me, this signifies such
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: a callous approach to this child that you could hold
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: a gun to her head while she's alive and shoot
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: her dead. Yep, he executed her. Okay, I know that.
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  Speaker 1: But what can you tell me about the mind of
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: a killer that would execute like mob style a little girl,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: absolutely no feeling, complete contempt for human life, and no
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: connection to her whatsoever. Okay, Now, I say, all that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: education and experience shining through it, maybe I should get
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: my degree in DDS. That's pulling teeth because I had
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: to just pull I think it was one an a
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: right here, I had to pull out of baber again.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, tell me something, man, for Pete's sake. Crime
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace Right now, we're going straight back
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: to the disappearance in the ultimate discovery of the body
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  Speaker 1: of a twelve year old little girl, Janelle Matthews, who
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: disappeared from her Colorado home in nineteen eighty four. The
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: search for Janelle became a national cause. Even President Ronald
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Reagan discussed her on TV. Take a listen to Mark
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Salinger Kusa Denver. Nine friends dropped Janelle off at her
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  Speaker 1: Greeley home after a choir concert. When her father got
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to the house later that evening, she was gone. Her
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: shoes and a shawl were the only clues left behind.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Ten years later, the Matthews family held a funeral service
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: for their missing daughter. Still no arrests, no clues, and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: no closure. And we realized that we haven't haven't got
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: complete finality here because we don't have a body or
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: proof of something, but we would still we still want
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: to go through and commit Janelle to the Lord and
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: just say goodbye to her. Thirty four years after Janelle
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Matthews saw her family for the final time, I can
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: assure you that we are going to be working tirelessly
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: to bring justice to Janelle. A break in the case,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: even if it isn't yet solved, it was a big
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: break in the case. When her body is found and
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: those red and blue fibers were found on the body.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Believe I Page. There's a quilt missing, yes, from the home,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: and the fibers that were found at the site where
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: her body was found matched the fibers from this quilt
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: that was missing from the home. Robert Crispin, Private investigator
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Crispin's Special Investigations at Crispin's Investigations dot Com. When you
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: get a fiber like that, what do investigators try to
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: do with it? Oh, forensic governance is just priceless In
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: a case like this. They can take that back and
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: they can tie it into maybe something else at the home,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: another piece of property or quilt or blank or some
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: of the same type that that was bought at the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: same time. Together. It's amazing evidence to tie back to
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: a crime scene. You know, you're so right, And that's
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: exactly what they did. Robert Crispin to Leavi Page. Was
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Janelle wearing clothes? Were there any clothes there? I'm sure
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: she was totally skeletonized, but what about clothing. Well, she
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: was also last scene wearing a blue ski jacket or
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: red blouse, a dark gray sweater, and there were fibers
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: from those clothings that were also found at the scene
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: as well. Jess got Morgan, you're the professor forensics Jacksonville
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: State University and author. Question to you do clothing items
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: also decomposed degenerate because now they're just fibers left behind. Yeah,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that's going to be completely depended upon what they're made
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: up of and what I mean by that, Nancy. If
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: it is a man made a fiber, a synthetic as
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: we call it. You think about things like rayon and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: those of things polyester, those are going to be more
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: resilient than say, naturally occurring fibers like wool or say,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: for instance, cotton. So that's going to be a specific tieback.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: And if you get that and you can identify the fiber,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: you can begin to kind of put in a framework
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: of who the manufacturer is, what type of item it
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: might have been, And of course that goes to identity,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't it. You know, you have mama, you have daddy
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: that can actually say, yes, she did, in fact have
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: this kind of clothing. We bought this item for her,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: or hey, I remember giving this to or for a
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: birthday present or maybe a Christmas present, And I guarantee
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you that night when she went to go do the
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: acchoir event, Ashley Willcott, and I know for a fact
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you have to wear a certain thing. You know, her
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: parents knew what she was wearing. Like right now, I
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: know what John, Dave and Lucy have on because I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: laid it out for them. Okay, not Lucy because now
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: she wants to pick her own outfit, but I generally
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: know I still know exactly what she has on. You know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the parents knew what she was wearing that night. So
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: when they hear gray sweater, can you imagine that feeling
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: in their gut? A boy's been found and there are
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: remnants of a great sweater in there. No. I agree
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: with you, Nancy, especially like you said, when you have
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: an event and a child has to get dressed up
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: for like a choir event, you do know what they're wearing.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: And after the fact, imagine which I can't even imagine,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: you have a missing twelve year old child. Your daughter
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: is missing. What's one of the things you're going to eventually,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: you know, ten years later, still missing. At some point
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: you will have gone through every single thing in her room,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: in her closet, in the house, and her life to grieve,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: To go through the process to think what if we missed,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: what did we not see? What could have happened to
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: our child? And in that process, I believe you absolutely
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: would know exactly what was missing and what she was wearing.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Hey know, also the significant to Robert Crispin PI Robert.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: So now we know she's dead, she hasn't been sex
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: trafficked and is walking the streets of New York City
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: with some thug beating her every day. We know that
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: this child is dead, okay, and her body is found
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  Speaker 1: just twenty four miles from home, and she was still
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: wearing the clothes she had on that night. Give me
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: some quick deductions. I mean, you know, Nancy, you could
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: be all over the map on this one. I disagree.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I think this tells me everything I need to know
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: except for identity. This is what it tells me, Joe
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. It tells me that she was killed the night,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: most likely the night she was taken, that she was
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: therefore buried most likely that night. And also it's someone
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: in that community because they only went twenty miles away
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: from the home. Yeah, you're right, and this person would
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: have specifically known about this area. Nancy, this is not
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: this is not some kind of local location. This is isolated, Nancy.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: They have to know about this area out there. Yeah,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and I mean Ashley Wilkar. Remember Robert Blake case with
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: some crazy jury said he was innocent. Excuse me, not guilty.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: You have a killer that is not driving a vehicle
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: because they take the murder weapon and they job in
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the dumpster a few yards away from the body. Hello,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: and Blake is inside at a restaurant, and it tells
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: me the killer is from there. He didn't go far. Absolutely,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: and that's not unusual. That's not a typical. It's unusual
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: if you have someone from across the nation who happens
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to drive by. Rather, what's more typical, if it's not
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: someone that's related to the to the victim, is that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: it's someone who is local, who knows the area, who
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: knows the people, who knows where to dump the web happen.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: And also the way that she's killed. Statistics show that
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: women very rarely killed children by shooting them in the
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: left side. They wasn't a left side. And the angle
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: goes through execution style and burying the body in a
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: grave that is a male modus operandi statistically, and then
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: straight to you, Lee egocrime online dot com. So now
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: they figure out what we're figuring out is somebody local,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and they start looking for overlap in other words, whose
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: lives overlap with this family's lives? And who do they find,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Lee Nancy? They find a man named Stephen Dana Pinkey.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: At the time, he lived around two miles from the
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Matthews home. According to the indictment. At the time, he
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: did on a firearm, and he's been accused of watching
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the children walk home. So he wasn't he a guy?
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Governors candidate? He ran for governor in Colorado, in Idaho,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: excuse me, Idaho, and he then moved to Colorado or
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: turned up there and started watching children go back and
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: forth from school? Is that rightly? That is correct? And
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: he did it to the same church as the Matthews.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: He was a member of the church until nineteen seventy eight,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and then the Matthews family joined the church that same year,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: so he did have knowledge of the family. He lived
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: two miles away, went to the same church. And how
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: many times do you think he spied on this little
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: twelve year old girl? So, Lee Aiken, where is Panky today?
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: He's in jail they arrested him. They arrested him last
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: week on kidnapping and murder charges in connection with the
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Janel Matthews. We wait as justice unfolds for former governor's
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Internet Steve Panky, Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off goodbye friend,