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Foul Smell Leads Cops to a Terrifying Discovery · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: You know, when you think about solving a puzzle, you
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  Speaker 1: usually assume all the pieces belong to the same picture.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You dump the box on the table, you find the corners,
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  Speaker 1: and you slowly snap it together. But imagine trying to
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  Speaker 1: solve a jigsaw puzzle where half the pieces are actively
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  Speaker 1: lying to you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. They change their shape the second you look away.
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  Speaker 1: And worst of all, the picture on the box is
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  Speaker 1: just a complete fabrication designed to waste your time. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: That is the exact scenario detectives faced in a truly
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  Speaker 1: chilling 2024 Seattle homicide investigation. The physical crime scene was
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  Speaker 1: actively degrading against them and the suspect was just layering
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  Speaker 1: lie upon lie. Yeah. So today we're pulling our insights
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  Speaker 1: from a transcript by the investigative channel Beyond Evil, looking
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  Speaker 1: at a case that is as much a psychological chess
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  Speaker 1: match as it is a forensic puzzle.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. And we are going to deconstruct the
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  Speaker 2: tension between The narrative a suspect tries to sell and
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  Speaker 2: the forensic reality that just refuses to be silenced. We
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  Speaker 2: aren't just tracing a timeline today. Our mission is to
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  Speaker 2: explore the how and the why. Like how do detectives
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  Speaker 2: weaponize physical geography? How do they navigate witness psychology in
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  Speaker 2: a community where talking to the police is viewed as
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  Speaker 2: a cardinal sin? And most critically, how do they use
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  Speaker 2: forensic timing to corner a suspect and whose very survival
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  Speaker 2: depends on maintaining an illusion.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Well, before we can even look at the crime
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  Speaker 1: itself or, you know, how a victim remained completely hidden
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  Speaker 1: for nearly a year, we really have to look at
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  Speaker 1: the geography.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: We have to talk about a place called the jungle.
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  Speaker 2: The setting here really functions as an active participant in
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  Speaker 2: the concealment of the crime. The jungle was a 150-acre
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  Speaker 2: homeless encampment.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, situated under and along Interstate 5, running between South
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  Speaker 2: Dearborn and South Lucille streets on Beacon Hill in Seattle, Washington.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And at the time of this investigation, there were roughly
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  Speaker 2: 350 people living in it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I am trying to wrap my head around
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  Speaker 1: the scale of that. 150 acres is massive.
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  Speaker 2: It's huge.
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  Speaker 1: We are talking about an area the size of a
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  Speaker 1: small town, or like a sprawling suburban neighborhood operating right
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of a major American metropolis. It feels
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  Speaker 1: like a paradox. It is. You have skyscrapers just a
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  Speaker 1: few miles away. bustling city life all around. But underneath
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  Speaker 1: that interstate, you have a shadow city operating completely off
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  Speaker 1: the grid. How does something that large remain invisible?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it remains invisible through a combination of extreme structural
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  Speaker 2: isolation and cultural evasion.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Geographically, it's wedged in the negative space of the city's infrastructure.
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  Speaker 2: So the steep ravines and the concrete pillars of the overpasses,
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  Speaker 2: areas the general public just has absolutely no reason to traverse.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you're just driving over it.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. But the cultural isolation is even more profound. The
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  Speaker 2: source material describes the jungle as a notoriously lawless environment.
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  Speaker 2: It's served as an epicenter for illegal narcotics and sudden
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  Speaker 2: brutal outbursts of violence.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the details in the transcript regarding the living
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  Speaker 1: conditions are just staggering. They mention rats so bold and
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  Speaker 1: aggressive that they would literally take bites out of sleeping residents.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. That detail alone illustrates a total breakdown of
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  Speaker 2: basic survival infrastructure. In an ecosystem like that, the fundamental
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  Speaker 2: culture is built on avoidance.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: People living in the jungle are often hiding from the elements,
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  Speaker 2: from their pasts, and critically, from law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: In a typical suburban neighborhood, if someone hears a terrified
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  Speaker 2: scream in the middle of the night, multiple people call 911.
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  Speaker 1: Right, immediately. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But in the jungle, silence is currency. Calling the police
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  Speaker 2: invites scrutiny into your own life, your own warrants, your
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  Speaker 2: own survival methods. So a violent crime can happen and
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  Speaker 2: the environment simply swallows it whole.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: The isolation dictates the rules of engagement.
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  Speaker 1: The police can't just patrol a place like that in
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  Speaker 1: a standard cruiser either. The environment actively repels observation. So
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense that the isolation of the jungle wasn't
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  Speaker 1: broken by a badge. It was broken by biology. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: A state mandated intervention was the only thing capable of
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  Speaker 2: breaching the perimeter. the city and the state realized the
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  Speaker 2: situation had become untenable, both for the surrounding areas and
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  Speaker 2: the 350 residents enduring those horrific conditions. Right. So the
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  Speaker 2: Washington State Department of Transportation, or WSDOT, sent massive teams
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  Speaker 2: in to perform a comprehensive cleanup.
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  Speaker 1: And during that WSDOT cleanup on September 27, 2024, a
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  Speaker 1: social worker attached to the team noticed something deeply concerning.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't a visual clue, though.
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  Speaker 2: No, it was a smell.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It was an overpowering, intense stench emanating from one
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  Speaker 1: specific tent. They flagged it, and a few days later,
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  Speaker 1: they returned with Sergeant Brandon Volante of the Washington State Patrol.
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  Speaker 1: The smell was so profound that it provided the immediate
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  Speaker 1: probable cause needed for Sergeant Volante to obtain a search
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  Speaker 1: warrant to open that tent.
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  Speaker 2: And once inside, the cleanup site instantly transformed into a
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  Speaker 2: major crime scene. They found a suitcase heavily wrapped in
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  Speaker 2: thick layers of plastic. Wow. Yeah. Upon cutting through the wrapping,
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  Speaker 2: investigators discovered the badly decomposed and dismembered remains of a
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  Speaker 2: human body bent and forcibly stuffed into the luggage.
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  Speaker 1: It is an incredibly dark discovery, and the King County
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  Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's Office moved remarkably fast on this.
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  Speaker 2: They did.
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  Speaker 1: That same day, Associate Medical Examiner Nicole Ured performed the
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  Speaker 1: autopsy and identified the victim as 37-year-old Shannon Rear. But
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  Speaker 1: this is where the timeline of the investigation snaps backward. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Shannon hadn't just gone missing over the weekend. She was
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  Speaker 1: last seen near Dr. Jose Rizal Park in Seattle all
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  Speaker 1: the way back in November of 2023.
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  Speaker 2: She had been missing for almost 10 months.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And as someone who studies these investigations, help me
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  Speaker 1: understand the mechanics of that delay. When a crime scene,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the victim, the physical evidence, the suitcase has
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  Speaker 1: been sitting inside a canvas tent, completely exposed to the
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  Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest elements for almost a year. What does that
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  Speaker 1: actually do to the forensic process?
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  Speaker 2: It creates an almost insurmountable hurdle of biological degradation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Forensically speaking, time and temperature are the enemies of evidence.
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  Speaker 2: A tent acts like a volatile greenhouse. You have extreme
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  Speaker 2: temperature fluctuations between the freezing winter and the baking summer,
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  Speaker 2: trap humidity, and the unchecked presence of entomological activity and rodents.
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  Speaker 1: Right, the bugs and the rats.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. This drastically accelerates the stages of decomposition. a colossus,
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  Speaker 2: where cells self-digest and putrefaction. The soft tissue, which usually
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  Speaker 2: tells the story of a crime through bruising, ligature marks,
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  Speaker 2: or defensive wounds, is essentially erased.
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  Speaker 1: So if the soft tissue is gone, how do they
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  Speaker 1: determine what happened in those final moments? I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: autopsy revealed she suffered violent traumatic injuries to her head
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  Speaker 1: and neck. Right. But because of the advanced decomposition, medical
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  Speaker 1: examiner Yaird couldn't immediately determine with absolute certainty whether if
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  Speaker 1: those massive injuries occurred before Shannon died or after she died.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. And that is the crux of the forensic challenge.
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  Speaker 2: When soft tissue degrades to that extent, investigators lose the
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  Speaker 2: physiological markers that indicate a beating heart.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
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  Speaker 2: For instance, if you strike a living person, their circulatory
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  Speaker 2: system pumps blood into the surrounding tissue, creating a bruise,
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  Speaker 2: a hemorrhage. But if you strike a deceased person, the
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  Speaker 2: tissue might tear... but it won't bruise in the same
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  Speaker 2: way because blood pressure has ceased.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Ten months in a tent just destroys that crucial distinction.
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  Speaker 1: But the medical examiner was able to determine the nature
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  Speaker 1: of the weapon. Even without the soft tissue, they knew
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't a simple fall or a fist fight. They
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  Speaker 1: identified sharp force injuries. You try. Ping wounds. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The soft tissue may vanish, but bone holds a permanent
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  Speaker 2: microscopic record of the tool that struck it. Bone is
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  Speaker 2: incredibly dense calcium.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: When a heavy, bladed instrument strikes the skull, It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: just crack it like a dropped teacup. It cuts into
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  Speaker 2: the bone, leaving distinct V-shaped or U-shaped clefts. More importantly,
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  Speaker 2: the imperfections on the blade of the weapon leave microscopic
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  Speaker 2: parallel striations inside the cut itself, much like the rifling
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  Speaker 2: of a gun barrel leaves unique grooves on a fired bullet.
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  Speaker 2: The trauma to Shannon's skull and neck clearly pointed to
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  Speaker 2: a heavy bladed tool, a hatchet or an axe.
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  Speaker 1: So the detectives now have a victim, a cause of
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  Speaker 1: death pointing to an axe, and a very specific location
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  Speaker 1: where They just need to know who owns the tent. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And they caught a break. Investigators found mail inside the
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  Speaker 1: tent addressed to a 57-year-old man named Stephen Ton-Nohan.
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  Speaker 2: Finding a piece of mail in a transient encampment is
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  Speaker 2: a starting point, but it's far from a closed case.
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  Speaker 2: People in these environments frequently move. They trade tents or
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  Speaker 2: abandon sites.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, sure.
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  Speaker 2: To build a profile of Stephen Ton-Nohan, detectives had to
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  Speaker 2: rely on the community surrounding the tent. the exact demographic
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  Speaker 2: that makes a point of actively avoiding law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: They managed to find a crucial witness, though, who went
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  Speaker 1: by the name Matt. Matt was camped just down a
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  Speaker 1: dirt path from where the suitcase was discovered. He was
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  Speaker 1: stationed near a spot he referred to as a tree fort,
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  Speaker 1: which operated as an open-air drug market. And because of
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  Speaker 1: his location, Matt walked past Stephen's tent constantly.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Chia's testimony is an absolute goldmine. It highlights a
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  Speaker 2: fascinating reality about witness psychology in marginalized spaces. Individuals experiencing homelessness,
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  Speaker 2: especially those navigating open-air drug markets, might refuse to speak
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  Speaker 2: to the police. But they're often the most hyper-observant people
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  Speaker 2: in any given city.
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  Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Their daily survival depends entirely on situational awareness. They have
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  Speaker 2: to know exactly who is in their vicinity, what their
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  Speaker 2: daily routines are, who is holding narcotics. And who has
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  Speaker 2: a propensity for sudden violence?
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  Speaker 1: Metz's situational awareness definitely clocked Stephen. He referred to him
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  Speaker 1: locally as Asian Steve. He described him as a solitary figure.
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  Speaker 1: who wasn't friendly, kept to himself, and constantly looked irritated
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  Speaker 1: or angry. Right. He was known to ride around the
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  Speaker 1: encampment on an electric scooter or a motorcycle. But the
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  Speaker 1: behavioral quirks Matt describes are where this profile takes a
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  Speaker 1: very bizarre turn.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the deviations from the baseline are what give detectives
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  Speaker 2: their psychological leverage.
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  Speaker 1: Matt tells detectives that Stephen would walk around this massive
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  Speaker 1: homeless encampment wearing military-grade sniper camouflage. Specifically, ghillie suits. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Suits covered in literal synthetic plants.
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  Speaker 1: Which is wild. Like, designed to make the wearer blend
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  Speaker 1: in with the deep brush and foliage. This makes absolutely
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  Speaker 1: zero sense to me. If your goal is to be invisible,
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  Speaker 1: why would you wear an outfit that makes you the
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  Speaker 1: single most noticeable, bizarre, and memorable person in a 150-acre camp?
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  Speaker 1: It's like wearing a flashing neon sign that says, look
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  Speaker 1: at me, I'm hiding.
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  Speaker 2: It is a profound paradox, and it speaks volumes about
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  Speaker 2: the suspect's internal state of mind. Wearing a sniper's ghillie
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  Speaker 2: suit in a semi-urban encampment suggests a level of paranoia
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  Speaker 2: that is completely detached from objective reality.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: He is attempting to camouflage himself from a perceived overarching threat.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps law enforcement helicopters, imagined adversaries, or the government. The
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  Speaker 2: hypervigilance is so intense that he becomes blind to his
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  Speaker 2: immediate surroundings. He's so focused on hiding from the unseen
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  Speaker 2: enemy in the sky or the tree line that he
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  Speaker 2: fails to realize his method of concealment makes him a
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  Speaker 2: highly conspicuous spectacle to the actual human being standing 10
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  Speaker 2: feet away from him.
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  Speaker 1: His desperate need to conceal himself aligns with some of
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  Speaker 1: the darker, more predatory red flags Matt noticed, though. Matt
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  Speaker 1: confirmed the stench, noting that he and others had smelled
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  Speaker 1: it for up to a month, initially brushing it off
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  Speaker 1: as dead rats. Right. But far more disturbing, Matt reported
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  Speaker 1: seeing women wandering away from Stephen's tent barefoot and in
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  Speaker 1: a state of profound disorientation.
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  Speaker 2: And the specific nature of that disorientation is critical. In
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  Speaker 2: an environment where heavy narcotics like fentanyl and heroin are
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  Speaker 2: the standard currency, A witness like Matt is intimately familiar
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  Speaker 2: with what intoxication looks like.
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  Speaker 1: He's seen it all.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. He knows what an opiate nod looks like, the
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  Speaker 2: heavy eyelids, the slumped posture, the general sedation. But Matt
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  Speaker 2: explicitly tells the detectives that the women leaving Stephen's tent
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  Speaker 2: were acting entirely differently. They seemed completely detached from reality,
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  Speaker 2: as if they didn't know what planet they were on.
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  Speaker 1: He is describing a level of incapacitation that goes beyond
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  Speaker 1: a standard high. It implies they were given a different substance,
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  Speaker 1: or a cocktail of substances. specifically designed to induce dissociation
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  Speaker 1: and vulnerability.
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  Speaker 2: It paints a highly predatory picture of the suspect's methodology.
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  Speaker 2: And then Matt delivers the final devastating piece of the
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  Speaker 2: timeline to the detectives. Matt is shown a photograph of
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  Speaker 2: Shannon Rear and he positively identifies her.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: He remembers her being there. But more importantly, he remembers
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  Speaker 2: that right around the time Shannon disappeared, he heard Stephen
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  Speaker 2: doing construction work inside his tent.
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  Speaker 1: Construction work using tools. Matt specifically recalls the sound of
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  Speaker 1: an axe.
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  Speaker 2: Consider the immense tactical advantage this gives the detectives. Before
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  Speaker 2: they have even located their suspect, a single witness has
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  Speaker 2: provided them with an exact timeline of disappearance, a behavioral
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  Speaker 2: profile of a paranoid predator, and auditory confirmation of the
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  Speaker 2: very weapon the medical examiner identified as causing the microscopic
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  Speaker 2: chopping wounds on the victim's skull.
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  Speaker 1: The pieces are snapping together rapidly, but having a name
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  Speaker 1: and a profile doesn't magically put handcuffs on a man
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  Speaker 1: with no fixed address who actively tries to blend into
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  Speaker 1: the foliage. They still had to hunt him down.
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  Speaker 2: Right. The police ran Stephen's name through their databases and
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  Speaker 2: discovered a significant piece of leverage. Stephen already had an
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  Speaker 2: active Department of Corrections warrant out for a previous unrelated offense.
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  Speaker 2: This meant the moment they laid eyes on him, they
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  Speaker 2: had the legal authority to arrest him on sight. completely
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  Speaker 2: independent of the murder investigation.
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  Speaker 1: It took them six days of intense searching, though. On
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  Speaker 1: October 3, 2024, they finally tracked him down. He had
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  Speaker 1: abandoned the jungle and moved to a completely different homeless
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  Speaker 1: encampment in the International District near Dearborn. And the tactical
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  Speaker 1: approach Seattle PD used to apprehend him is brilliant.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't send in loud patrol cruisers with sirens blaring
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  Speaker 1: or heavy tires crunching on gravel. They deployed police cyclists.
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  Speaker 2: It is a masterstroke in apprehension tactics. when dealing with
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  Speaker 2: a hyper-paranoid suspect.
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  Speaker 1: Think about the acoustic environment of a city, and then
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  Speaker 1: think about a man who wears a ghillie suit because
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  Speaker 1: he's terrified of being watched. If he hears the rumble
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  Speaker 1: of a heavy diesel engine or the squawk of a
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  Speaker 1: police radio, his survival instinct kicks in instantly.
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  Speaker 2: He's gone.
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  Speaker 1: Right. He's going to bolt into the brush before a
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  Speaker 1: cruiser even shifts into park. But bicycles are virtually silent.
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  Speaker 1: They glide. The officers just rolled up on him quietly
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  Speaker 1: before his hyper-vigilance could even register the threat.
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  Speaker 2: And the initial interaction, which was recorded on body camera
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  Speaker 2: by Sergeant Quettle, serves as a perfect micro-study in the
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  Speaker 2: suspect's default psychological reflexes.
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  Speaker 1: Sergeant Quettle approaches casually and says, Hey, sir, how's it going,
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  Speaker 1: Seattle Police? What's your name? And Stephen's immediate knee-jerk reaction
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  Speaker 1: is to give a fake name. He claims his name
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  Speaker 1: is Liam Wynn.
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  Speaker 2: That instantaneous lie is an innate defense mechanism. Stephen knows
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  Speaker 2: he has a DOC warrant hanging over his head, Giving
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  Speaker 2: a fake name is his standard operating procedure for evasion.
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  Speaker 1: But Sergeant Quettle doesn't play along. He immediately asks, are
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  Speaker 1: you lying about your name? And then Quettle does something
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  Speaker 1: incredibly deliberate. He states, on camera, my contacts are recorded,
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  Speaker 1: we're investigating a crime right now, and you are a
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  Speaker 1: possible suspect in that crime. Why show your cards in
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  Speaker 1: the first 10 seconds on the street? Why not just
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  Speaker 1: arrest him on the DOC warrant and play dumb until
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  Speaker 1: you get him to the station?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Quettle is intentionally shaking the snow globe. By directly
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  Speaker 2: challenging the fake name, and immediately introducing the abstract threat
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  Speaker 2: of a new crime, Quettle forces an immense cognitive load
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  Speaker 2: onto Stephen. He establishes authority and strips away Stephen's sense
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  Speaker 2: of control.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
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  Speaker 2: Before Stephen even sets foot in an interrogation room, his
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  Speaker 2: brain is frantically trying to calculate which crime they are
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  Speaker 2: talking about. Is it the warrant? Is it the drugs?
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  Speaker 2: Is it the tent? It forces the suspect into a reactive,
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  Speaker 2: scrambling state of mind, laying the groundwork for the massive
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  Speaker 2: web of lies he is about to attempt to weave.
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  Speaker 1: Which moves us into the absolute core of this case,
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  Speaker 1: the interrogation. Detectives Bordy Ford and Ivan Sergiev sit down
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  Speaker 1: with Stephen in a small room. And the transcript of
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  Speaker 1: this conversation is wild to read.
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  Speaker 2: It is a master class in psychological maneuvering. The detectives
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  Speaker 2: are playing a very specific game of conceptual containment.
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  Speaker 1: Stephen begins by playing entirely dumb. The detectives ask him
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  Speaker 1: if he has any idea what the cleanup crews found
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  Speaker 1: inside his tent. Stephen claims total ignorance. He says, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm quoting, if I knew I wouldn't be around here.
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  Speaker 1: He literally denies knowing what a suitcase even is, insisting
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  Speaker 1: he never touched anything like that in his life.
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  Speaker 2: It is the most primal form of self-preservation. Deny the
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  Speaker 2: physical reality of the space. But the detectives anticipate this.
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  Speaker 2: They don't hammer him on the suitcase yet. They strategically
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: pivot to the victim to establish a baseline connection.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: They start casually throwing out women's names. April, no. Stacey, no. Shannon, no.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: And here, Stephen makes an unforced error. He says, I
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: think there's two Shannons.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: That admission is fascinating from a behavioral standpoint. He is
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: attempting to dilute his connection by introducing confusion. He describes
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: the first Shannon as his best friend's 36-year-old daughter, noting
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: she has punky, half-shaved hair.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: He cranes he saw her just a few days ago,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: establishing a timeline that clears him of any long-term disappearance.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: But then he admits to knowing a second Shannon. He
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: tells the detectives he hasn't seen her in a very
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: long time. And without much prompting, he openly admits that
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: he slept with her. He justifies it by saying, I
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: sleep with a lot of girls.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Pay close attention to the narrative he is constructing here.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: He admits to an intimate connection, but he immediately minimizes
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: its emotional importance. By framing her as just one of
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: many casual encounters from his past, he is trying to
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: distance himself from any sort of passion or motive. He
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: is treating her as disposable, someone he barely remembers.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: The detectives pull out a photograph of Shannon and show
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: it to him. He identifies her, though he complains her
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: skin looks too white in the photo and reiterates it
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: has been a long time. Right. Once the connection to
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: the victim is established, the detectives circle back to the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: physical reality of the tent. They bring up the smell.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: They confront him with the indisputable fact that cleanup crews
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: could smell this rotting suitcase from 50 feet away. They
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: ask him how he could possibly live in a small
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: canvas tent sleeping on a bed built directly over the suitcase.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: and not know there was a decomposing body inside it.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: The trap is being set. The detectives know that if
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: they rely on direct, aggressive confrontation, if they slam their
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: hands on the table and accuse him of a brutal,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: premeditated axe murder, Stephen's survival instinct will cause him to
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: completely shut down and demand a lawyer.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: They need him to voluntarily place himself in the room
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: with the body at the exact time of death. To
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: accomplish this, they deploy a highly effective classic interrogation technique
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: known as minimization.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: The transcript shows the detective offering him a narrative that
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: feels almost like a lifeline. The detective says, and again,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing from the transcript. I've done this a long time.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: It's actually very common to find people in suitcases. Usually
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: they died from a drug overdose and the person who
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: was with them panicked. They didn't want the police looking
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: at them, so they just hid the body.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: The detective is constructing a reality where Stephen's actions are
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: morally understandable, even if they are flawed.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: But the detective goes further. He literally tells Stephen, failing
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: to report an overdose is not a felony crime. He suggests,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: did she overdose while she was with you? It makes sense.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: It's your tent. You guys smoked. together. You were afraid
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: to tell the police because of your warrants. You wrapped
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: her up, put flowers on top. That doesn't mean you
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: did it. It just means she overdosed and you were there.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Wait, I have to stop here and challenge this. Can
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: police actually do that? The detective is blatantly telling him
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: that hiding a body and failing to report an overdose
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: isn't a felony. Isn't that coercion? Can cops just lie
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: about the law and promise legal leniency to trick a
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: confession out of someone?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: It is a brilliant question. And it cuts to the
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: absolute boundary of what is legally permissible in an interrogation room.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: The short answer is yes, they can lie. but within
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: very specific parameters established by legal precedent, such as Fraser v. Cupp.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Police are legally allowed to lie about the evidence they possess. Like,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: they can claim they have your fingerprints on a weapon
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: even if they don't. And they're allowed to use minimization themes.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: What they cannot do is promise an impossible legal leniency
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: that overrides the suspect's free will. Like saying, confess to
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: this murder and we will let you walk out the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: front door today.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: But he is telling him it's not a felony.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: He is walking a razor-thin legal tightrope. Failing to report
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: a death or improperly disposing of human remains are generally
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: lesser charges compared to homicide. The detective isn't promising he
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: won't be charged with anything. He is suggesting a scenario
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: that technically fits a lesser legal category.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: It is incredibly manipulative, but it is a legally sanctioned tactic.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: The detectives do not believe for a single second that
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: this was a tragic fentanyl overdose.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Right. They have the autopsy.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They know her skull has chopping wounds. But by
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: offering Stephen this non-felony excuse, a narrative where he is
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: just a scared, marginalized guy who made a bad choice
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: out of sheer panic, they are offering his panic brain
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: a life raft.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: And his brain, desperate for a way out of a
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: murder charge, looks at that life raft and jumps right in.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: The suspect evaluates the two narratives in front of him.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Premeditated axe murderer. Right. Or a guy who got scared
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: when a drug deal went wrong. He chooses the one
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: that allows him to maintain his self-image. As a nonviolent survivor.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: The trap works perfectly. Stephen completely abandons his initial story.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: The I don't know anything about a suitcase defense vanishes instantly.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: He pivots to yes, she overdosed.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And listen to how quickly he constructs this new detailed lie.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: He tells the detectives that they were in the tent
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: smoking fentanyl. They engaged in sexual intercourse. He claims the
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: fentanyl batch was simply too strong and she stopped breathing.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: He even adds a detail about attempting CPR to show
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: he tried to save her, but claims it didn't work.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: So panicking about his warrants, he wrapped her body in
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: a heavy garbage bag he found at the local park.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: He literally says to the detectives, only thing I remember
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: is it from the overdose. And just try to put
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the body away, that's all. It feels exactly like a
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: high stakes game of poker.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: It really does.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: The detectives just let Steve push all of his chips
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: into the center of the table. He goes all in
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: on this pair of twos, the fentanyl overdose story. He
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: thinks he is successfully bluffing the homicide detectives out of
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the pot. He has no idea they are holding a
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: royal flush.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: And that royal flush is the finalized autopsy report. Because
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: the very second Stephen locks his narrative into stone, the
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: moment he firmly states on the record that she simply
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: stopped breathing from a chemical overdose, the detectives flip their
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: cards over and change the entire dynamic of the room.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: They ask him in an almost casual tone, did you
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: do anything else with her? Did you try to dismember her?
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: And Steve adamantly denies it. He mentions she had a
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: mark on the back of her head, but claims he
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: has absolutely no idea how it got there.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: This is the moment of impact. The detectives reveal they
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: know about the massive head trauma. Watch how Steven's brain
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: frantically tries to pivot and invent a new physics to
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: explain the evidence he didn't know they possessed. Suddenly, an
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: entirely new story materializes out of thin air.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Right on cue, he suddenly remembers a completely new detail.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: He tells him that one rainy day, Shannon showed up
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: at his tent claiming she had slipped and fallen on
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: some wet rocks. He says she was dizzy, her head
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: was badly hurt, and her jaw was injured from this fall.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: It is a desperate, improvisational attempt to account for catastrophic trauma.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: But it is entirely too late. The detective pushes back,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and this time he uses the unforgiving reality of forensic science.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: He tells Steve that that injury we're talking about, it's
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: not consistent with falling on a rock. It's very obvious
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: that some type of tool was used.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: The detective doesn't let him squirm out of it. He
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: details the violence for him. He explains that the actual
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: bone of her skull has massive specific tool marks. Chopping wounds. Yeah.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Not a blunt force crack from a slippery rock, but
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a defined, forceful strike from a heavy blade.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: If we pull back and look at the architecture of
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: this trap, the jaws just snapped completely shut. Think about
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the forensic triangle the detectives just locked him inside. Point A,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the witness, Matt, heard Steve doing construction in the tent.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Point B, Matt specifically heard the unmistakable sound of an axe.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Point C, the medical examiner finds microscopic axe marks embedded
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: in the victim's skull. Steve is caught in the dead center.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: You can practically hear the psychological collapse in the transcripts.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: His confident narrative spinning tone from the overdose story just evaporates.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: His final line of defense devolves into this Weak, repetitive denial.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: He just keeps saying, I didn't beat her up. I
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: don't know who did it.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: The linguistic shift is profound. He realizes the out they
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: provided him was nothing but a mirage. The detectives used
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: his own innate survival instinct, his own desire to minimize
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: his culpability against him. Wow. They tricked him into voluntarily
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: placing himself in the room with the body, admitting he
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: wrapped it in plastic. And once he admitted he was
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the only one there when she died... They used the
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: biomechanics of a chopped skull to prove he was the
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: one swinging the weapon. It is devastatingly effective methodical police work.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: The pressure cooker of that small interrogation room clearly reaches
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: an absolute impasse. Steve realizes he is completely cornered, and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: he is certainly not going to spontaneously confess to taking
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: an axe to a woman's head. No.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: The psychological chess match concludes, and the rigid machinery of
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the legal system takes over. The timeline from this point
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: forward moves incredibly fast.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: On October 8, 2024, the final autopsy results are officially
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: confirmed and signed off. The medical examiner locks in the
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: forensic reality in black and white.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: The very next day, October 9, detectives Ford and Sirgiv
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: don't simply phone it in to the prosecutor. They travel
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: directly to the jail in Des Moines, where Stephen is
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: currently being held. They sit down and confront him face
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: to face with the final incontrovertible medical examiner's findings.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: And shocker, Stephen isn't in a talkative storytelling mood anymore. No.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Faced with scientific evidence that systematically dismantles every single lie
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: he attempted to tell, Stephen finally invokes his constitutional rights.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: He stops talking entirely and requests an attorney.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: The talking is over. In October of 2024, Stephen Ton-Nohan
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: was officially charged with murder in the second degree in
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: King County Superior Court. As of the source material we
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: are reviewing, he remains incarcerated awaiting trial.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: It is a remarkable trajectory to analyze.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: It truly is. When you step back and look at
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the ground we just covered, this entire complex investigation, the
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: psychological profiles, the forensic deep dives, all of it started
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: simply because a social worker noticed a bad smell in
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: a lawless 150-acre encampment operating entirely off the grid. It
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: moved through the hyper-vigilant observations of a witness who noticed
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: a man in a ghillie suit swinging an axe. And
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: it culminated in this incredibly tense, watertight forensic trap sprung
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: in a tiny, sterile interrogation room.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: It forces you to acknowledge how much of human nature,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: both the incredibly predatory, dark side of survival and the
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: meticulous scientific pursuit of justice, operates just out of our
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: everyday sight. Millions of people drive past these massive encampments
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: over these sprawling interstates, completely unaware of the complex micro
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: societies and sometimes horrific events realities existing just a few
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: feet below the concrete.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: It fundamentally changes how you look at the blind spots
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: in our own cities, which leaves me with a lingering
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: thought I just haven't been able to shake since reading
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: this transcript. We know this entire case only unraveled because
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the state mandated a massive environmental cleanup of the Jumbo.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: That was the catalyst.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: If they hadn't done that, if the Department of Transportation
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: hadn't sent those crews into the brush in September, How
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: many more months or even years might Shannon have remained
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: completely undiscovered inside that plastic wrapping? And it leaves you
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: wondering how many other victims of violence are currently hidden
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: in plain sight, swallowed up and silenced by the forgotten
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: encampments of our cities.