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Sharri | 28 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live four.
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Speaker 2: You're watching Jarry Good evening. Well, Victoria has a new
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Speaker 2: premier tonight and voters didn't get a say. Ben Carroll
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Speaker 2: has been up to his neck in the rotten state,
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Speaker 2: but he wants you to believe he's a clean slate.
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Speaker 2: Journalist John Ferguson will take us inside Labour's Night of
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Speaker 2: the Long Knives, and James Patterson joins us live. Here's
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Speaker 2: a warning about Pauline Hanson and populist parties. Plus the
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Speaker 2: admission inflation is out of control as the RBA flags
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Speaker 2: a fourth rate rise next month, and the leaked rich
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Speaker 2: list of a listers zoraan Mam Danny is planning to tax.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you some of the big names a little later,
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Speaker 2: but first tonight. It was a happy day for many
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Speaker 2: Victorians as Justinto Allen was rolled as Premier. But she
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Speaker 2: leaves a broken state in her wakeling debt, a crime wave,
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Speaker 2: the economy down the toilet, and businesses struggling. She couldn't
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Speaker 2: run the state and she certainly couldn't run her own party. Chaos, disorganization,
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Speaker 2: backstabbing and rivalries all were exposed today in a bloody
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Speaker 2: leadership coup where she was rolled just four months out
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Speaker 2: from the election. The Labor Party has employed it.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: This was far from a clean handover to Ben Carroll.
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Speaker 2: In an unexpected move just intisfactional ally, Sonya Kilkenny put
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Speaker 2: up her hand to nominate. The prospect of a drawn
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Speaker 2: out rank and file ballot loomed. After a tense couple
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Speaker 2: of hours, common sense prevailed and Ben Carroll emerged victorious.
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Speaker 3: But just weeks ago he insisted he was the loyal deputy.
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Speaker 4: I've got a young daughter at home and I couldn't
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Speaker 4: be more proud to make sure she grows up now
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Speaker 4: that I supported to Cintera Allen to be a world
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Speaker 4: class premier and get re elected in her own role.
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Speaker 2: But by today feminism and his daughter were forgotten and
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Speaker 2: he was the premier. In his first press conference, he
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Speaker 2: claimed he hadn't misled victorians, that it wasn't his decision
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Speaker 2: to dump the premier. It was all down to some
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Speaker 2: anonymous delegation.
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Speaker 4: The circumstances changed yesterday morning. I was approached by delegation
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Speaker 4: who asked me to stand for leader. This delegation had
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Speaker 4: already visited the Premier and informed her that they want
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Speaker 4: to change. I'm going to be that change.
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Speaker 2: It beggars belief that he had no knowledge of this,
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Speaker 2: and this followed a concerted campaign to oust just Into Alan.
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Speaker 2: Now Ben Carroll does have one thing in common with
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Speaker 2: the woman he rolled. He's the premier no one elected,
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Speaker 2: no one voted for. And this leadership change will do
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Speaker 2: little to help labor because it's not just Into Allan
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Speaker 2: who's dragging down the vote. It's the stale and rotten
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Speaker 2: Labor Party that's been running Victoria into the ground with
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Speaker 2: disastrous policies. I mean, one example, forcing employees to have
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Speaker 2: a mandatory two days working from home. Now just Into
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Speaker 2: Alan reference this today is an important part of her legacy.
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Speaker 5: We're making working from home a aright that your boss
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Speaker 5: can't take away.
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Speaker 2: But this will suffocate businesses already struggling to stay afloat
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Speaker 2: in an impossible economic climate. Just Into Alan departs as
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Speaker 2: premiere with numerous scandals and disasters in her wake. Her
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Speaker 2: legacy includes It's the Big Build, integrity scandal, counseling the
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Speaker 2: Commonwealth Games, and she was the minister. Victoria's record debt,
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Speaker 2: reckless spending, soaring crime breakings and gangs, the costly suburban
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Speaker 2: rail loop, well that's just the start. And then there
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Speaker 2: was the way she rejected accountability in moments like this.
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Speaker 5: The transgender kids are fifteen times more likely to commit suicide,
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Speaker 5: so I would hope, Rachel, I would hope heavily disputed. Well,
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Speaker 5: you're going to dispute the higher rates of suicide amongst
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Speaker 5: transgender kids, Rachel, I am not going to.
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Speaker 3: Engage with you on this.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Alan described her legacy in a much rosier
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Speaker 2: light today, and she insists she would have won.
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Speaker 3: The leadership ballot.
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Speaker 2: She said the gig had been tough, and she became
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Speaker 2: pretty emotional when speaking about her difficult childbirth.
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Speaker 5: I've lived with endometriosis and I almost lost my daughter
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Speaker 5: at Perth. You will know I'm a bit of a crier.
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Speaker 5: So I led a government. I led a government that
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Speaker 5: listened to girls about their health.
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Speaker 2: She took no questions after that press conference. She would
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Speaker 2: have been pretty happy to turn her back on the
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Speaker 2: media now.
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Speaker 3: Ben Carroll tried to.
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Speaker 2: Distance himself from the toxic past premieres and their toxic record.
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Speaker 2: He announced today a Royal commission into the construction sector.
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Speaker 4: I am not Daniel Andrews, I am not just Ciner
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Speaker 4: Allen I will do things differently because different times require
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Speaker 4: a new approach.
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Speaker 2: And he promised to crack down on crime and form
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Speaker 2: a partnership with the business community.
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Speaker 3: Promises. No one believes that have come too little, too late.
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Speaker 2: But journalist John Ferguson, the associate editor of The Australian,
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Speaker 2: he put it bluntly today when he said Victoria and
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Speaker 2: the national economy will be better off without chasin to Allan.
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Speaker 2: In a brutal piece, he writes that Alan has been
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Speaker 2: arguably the most anti business premier Victoria has had in decades,
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Speaker 2: overseeing the trashing of the state's global reputation. Virtually every
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Speaker 2: seriously bad decision linked to this government can be traced
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Speaker 2: back to Allan in one way or another, either as
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Speaker 2: a minister or a premier. The Commonwealth Games as hers
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Speaker 2: and so is the Big Build. And he jokingly writes
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Speaker 2: that maybe there is a political god and he'll be
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Speaker 2: on the show shortly. But this is an absolute gift
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Speaker 2: in many ways to the Liberals and to Jess Wilson
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Speaker 2: who today said.
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Speaker 6: This different leader, sure, but same corruption, same crime, same debt,
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Speaker 6: same waste, same potholes, same failed services, same old labor.
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Speaker 3: Now this could all benefit.
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Speaker 2: The Opposition leader Jess Wilson an election victory is certainly
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Speaker 2: not in the bag. The polls are tight, but having
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Speaker 2: seen off just into Allen, she's in with her best
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Speaker 2: shot yet. And the Deputy Opposition leader David Southwick will
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Speaker 2: also be on the show a bit later. But now
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Speaker 2: let's turn to the economy. The National Economy IBA Governor
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Speaker 2: Michelle Bullock had a warning today that no family wants
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Speaker 2: to hear that living standards will continue to fall, households
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Speaker 2: will face another rate rise, likely within weeks, and inflation
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Speaker 2: is still a major problem. Bullock says that Australian living
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Speaker 2: standards will continue to stagnate until the fundamental challenge.
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Speaker 3: Of weak productivity growth is addressed.
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Speaker 7: But inflation, as we know, has since increased and it's
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Speaker 7: now above target. Indeed, it was rising in above target
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Speaker 7: even before the recent oil price rises. The Board is
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Speaker 7: prepared to act as required to achieve its mandate, including
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Speaker 7: by increasing the cash rate further if needed, all.
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Speaker 2: Right and joining me to discuss this, And of course
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Speaker 2: the Victorian politics today is Shadow Defense Minister James Patterson.
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Speaker 3: James, great to see you. Look. The Governor was.
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Speaker 2: Very clear there in warning that there could be a
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Speaker 2: fourth interest rate rise at the board meeting on August eleven,
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Speaker 2: and that is a prospect that will alarm every family
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Speaker 2: given the cost of living, high petrol prices, high power bills,
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Speaker 2: high grocery items.
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Speaker 1: That's right, Shari, It's very bleak news for households today.
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Speaker 1: In hearing that warning from the RBA governor, I think
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Speaker 1: most Australians had thought that the recent round of rate
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Speaker 1: rises under Labor had come to a conclusion and that
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Speaker 1: was going to stay at this level at least for
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Speaker 1: some time, if not be reduced in the future. I
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Speaker 1: think it would be a massive psychological below for a
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Speaker 1: lot of Australian families and for our economy if there
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Speaker 1: is another rate rise, and it will be directly linked
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Speaker 1: to Labour's inability to control spending. They are spending at
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Speaker 1: record highs as a proportion of our economy and that
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Speaker 1: is driving up inflation and driving up into strates and
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Speaker 1: Jim Charmers and Anthie Abinezi are directly responsible for this
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Speaker 1: if it happens.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I just played that comment, but she was
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Speaker 2: very pointed when she said that inflation was a problem
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Speaker 2: before the recent oil prices, so she's really pretty clever
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Speaker 2: in not letting the government off the hook there.
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Speaker 1: And earlier this the ARBA governor made very clear that
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Speaker 1: fiscal policy, that is, the tax and spend settings of
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Speaker 1: the Albanezy government is putting up pressure on inflation and
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Speaker 1: that if the federal government did not do more to
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Speaker 1: reign in spending, then the RBA would have no choice
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Speaker 1: but to increase interest rates. So make no mistake, they
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Speaker 1: will own any interest rate rise.
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Speaker 3: From here, I'm going to return to your state of Victoria.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Ben Carroll sought to address voter concerns today
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Speaker 2: by calling that Royal commission and signaling action in other areas.
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Speaker 2: Do you think voters will buy this message that it's
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Speaker 2: a new era.
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Speaker 1: Well, today Ben Carroll said that he's not Daniel Andrews
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Speaker 1: and he's not just Intera Allen. That's true, but he
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Speaker 1: was an accomplice of Daniel Andrews and an accomplice of Justinterallan.
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Speaker 1: He was Jacinta's deputy premier. He sat around the cabinet
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Speaker 1: table with both of them for almost a decade, and
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Speaker 1: every decision this government has made which has put Victoria
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Speaker 1: in the parlors state that it is including refusing to
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Speaker 1: call a Royal commission until today he owns he took
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Speaker 1: part in He stood shoulder to shoulder with de Cintereallen
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Speaker 1: and Daniel Andrews on those decisions. And the only reason
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Speaker 1: that he has backflipped today and the government has allowed
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Speaker 1: him to backflip is not because they've had a sincere
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Speaker 1: change of heart, not because they've suddenly become concerned about
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Speaker 1: corruption two years after these revelations started by Nick Mackenzie
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Speaker 1: in the Age. It's because they've realized it's become a
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Speaker 1: political problem for them and an ultimate act of cynicism.
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Speaker 1: They're hoping to manage that political problem by calling a
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Speaker 1: Royal commission, which they hope will report long, long into
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Speaker 1: the future when they're gone from public office.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they couldn't be having the daily hearings during
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Speaker 2: an election campaign.
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Speaker 3: There's no way they do that.
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Speaker 2: Look, I'm interested, James, and you're obviously very close to
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Speaker 2: Jess Wilson's campaign because.
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Speaker 3: Your lovely wife works for her.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this change in leader today makes it
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Speaker 2: tougher or easier for Jess Wilson to win the election.
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Speaker 1: In November, Jacinda Allen had seventy one percent of Victorians
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Speaker 1: who disapproved of the way she was doing her job.
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Speaker 1: So anybody who replaces her, would you presumably help lift
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Speaker 1: the Labor Party vote by a little bit at least,
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Speaker 1: and it might narrow the contest a bit more. But fundamentally,
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Speaker 1: I think Victorians will look at this government that's had
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Speaker 1: twelve years in office as a tired, old, corrupt government
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Speaker 1: that has allowed to our state to fall into complete disrepair.
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Speaker 1: The potholes that litter the roads, the community safety and
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Speaker 1: crime crisis, the investment that's fleeing Victoria, the highest unemployment
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Speaker 1: rate in the nation, the two hundred billion dollars of
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Speaker 1: debt that were hurtling towards the look at that, and
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Speaker 1: they think Ben Carrol helped make that mess. He can't
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Speaker 1: clean up this mess. Only a fresh start with Jess
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Speaker 1: Wilson and her Liberal and national team and their plan
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Speaker 1: will turn this start around.
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Speaker 2: But even with that shocking record, I mean, the polls
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Speaker 2: are very tight. So if Ben Carroll does lift them slightly,
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Speaker 2: I mean, it could be the case, couldn't it that
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Speaker 2: they win in a.
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Speaker 1: Well Depending on the polls. Labor is polling in the
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Speaker 1: low twenties to mid twenties. He would have to lift
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Speaker 1: their primary vote by a lot to put labor in
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Speaker 1: a competitive position, certainly before they could even dream of
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Speaker 1: returning to majority government. But we take nothing for granted.
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Speaker 1: We understand that there is a contest to be had here,
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Speaker 1: there is a case to be made, and that's why
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Speaker 1: Jess traveled around the whole state. She visited every single
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Speaker 1: one of the eighty eight lower House seats across the state,
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Speaker 1: whether they were safe labor seats or not, to listen
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Speaker 1: to people to feedback into her plan to turn this
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Speaker 1: state around.
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Speaker 2: I just want to turn to the important speech that
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Speaker 2: you gave a few days ago, where you whined against
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Speaker 2: voters supporting populist parties, including one Nation. You said, the
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Speaker 2: danger is these anti establishment parties don't just mind grievance
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Speaker 2: about poor economic performance, whether on the populace left or right.
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Speaker 2: They bring with them a much broader wagon of grudges
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Speaker 2: and resentments, and they are most often defined by a
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Speaker 2: total lack of regard for our institute utions.
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Speaker 3: More broadly, now.
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Speaker 2: You know clearly you made these remarks because conservative voters
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Speaker 2: are turning to Pauline Hansen, who's of course appearing on
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Speaker 2: Paul Murray right after my show tonight. So what's your
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Speaker 2: message to voters about One Nation.
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Speaker 1: There's three quick points to make here, Shari. First is,
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Speaker 1: our primary political opponents are and always have been, the
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Speaker 1: Labor Party. But One Nation is a political competitor and
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Speaker 1: they deserve reasonable scrutiny when they make mistakes, and I
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Speaker 1: want to see that happen. The second thing is understand
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Speaker 1: why voters are angry, why they're angry with the political system,
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Speaker 1: why they're angry with us, why they want change. But
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Speaker 1: the third and most important point is that while you
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Speaker 1: might want change, and you might want to break the system,
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Speaker 1: you've got to be careful about how you vote for
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Speaker 1: change because you might end up breaking more than you
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Speaker 1: want to, including the precious inheritance of Western civilization, those
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Speaker 1: British institutions, and you'll be voting for, as I said,
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Speaker 1: a grab bag of grievances. Just look at the comments
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Speaker 1: that of Malcolm Roberts that have been expled over the
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Speaker 1: last few weeks. This is a person who said that
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Speaker 1: the Bondai terror attack was possibly an inside job. He
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Speaker 1: shared an anti Semitic cartoon on his social media. He's
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Speaker 1: described the United States as the world's greatest terrorist organization.
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Speaker 1: He's even endorsed someone who is a nine to eleven
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Speaker 1: truther and a school shooting denier. These are really extreme
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Speaker 1: out their views, and Malcolm Roberts is not some random candidate.
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Speaker 1: He's been serving in the Senate as Pauline Hansen's right
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Speaker 1: hand man for a decade. No consequences for this.
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Speaker 2: Do you think she's had enough scrutiny about these views
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Speaker 2: of Arkham Roberts.
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Speaker 1: No, Pauline Hanson is very rarely asked questions about this
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Speaker 1: at all, because she very rarely fronts up for tough
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Speaker 1: media interviews and scrutiny, and when she is asked about them,
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Speaker 1: she just fobs them off and tries to move on.
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Speaker 1: She needs to be held account as someone who says
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Speaker 1: she wants to be Prime Minister of this country. Ask
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Speaker 1: to the next selection who wants to have a one
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Speaker 1: nation government? One nation government with Malcolm Roberts in around
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Speaker 1: the cabinet table would jeopardize our US alliance, would put
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Speaker 1: our national security at risk? What portfolio would Malcolm Roberts
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Speaker 1: serve in? The Foreign minister? Would he be the Defense Minister,
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Speaker 1: would he be the Home Affairs Minister? There should be
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Speaker 1: consequences for the things he has said if Pauline Hansen
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Speaker 1: disagrees with them. I mean, this is someone who's also
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Speaker 1: attacked aucas This is someone who's also said that the
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Speaker 1: US Air Force is putting chemicals on the US page
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Speaker 1: the experiment. This is wild and wacky stuff. I think
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Speaker 1: there should be consequences. Up to Pauline to decide what
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Speaker 1: those consequences are. It's up to her to decide what
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Speaker 1: she will tolerate. Well, I'm not here to run one
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Speaker 1: nation for one nation. That's a decision. Well, I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: want to have a colleague with views like that. I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to share a party room with a colleague
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Speaker 1: at extreme views like that. If Pauline chooses to share
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Speaker 1: the company of Malcolm Roberts to value him on an
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Speaker 1: ongoing basis a colleague, then I reflect that reflects on
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Speaker 1: her and the kind of government that she would lead
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Speaker 1: if she were to former government after the next election.
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Speaker 2: All right, and of course we'll hear what she has
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Speaker 2: to say on Paul Murray's show after this. James Patterson,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much for joining us as always, and.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in tonight's panel.
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Speaker 2: Former Labor State Secretary Cameron Milner and former Victorian Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party president Michael Kroger. I mean, I want to go
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Speaker 2: back to Victoria, but Michael, I just want to get
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Speaker 2: your views on James Patterson's argument there. He is the
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Speaker 2: most eloquent and convincing performer, arguably from the federal Coalition.
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Speaker 2: He just mounted an argument for why voters should be
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Speaker 2: supporting the coalition and not One Nation. What did you
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Speaker 2: think about what he had to say?
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Speaker 8: Well, I thought he was absolutely right. Look, one nation
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Speaker 8: or a grievance party, and we understand a lot of
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Speaker 8: the grievances. We share a lot of their grievances. But
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Speaker 8: here in Victoria there's no leader, no policies, no candidates.
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Speaker 8: I mean, this is not serious down here. We're talking
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Speaker 8: about running a serious trillion dollar economy down here, and
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Speaker 8: they don't even have a leader. So only substanding points here.
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Speaker 8: Malcolm Roberts his comment about the US being the world's
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Speaker 8: leading terrorist country and seriously, and look, I don't think
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Speaker 8: that federal level you can be taken seriously unless you
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Speaker 8: have a serious economic policy, and One Nation don't have that,
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Speaker 8: and therefore they're disqualified from being a party of government.
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Speaker 8: And as for that poll today that came out where
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Speaker 8: I saw that they're going to get sixty seats of
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Speaker 8: the federal election, They're not going to get sixty seats
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Speaker 8: or anything like it. I respect Pauline Hanson for what
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Speaker 8: she's been through when she's achieved. She's a person of
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Speaker 8: great courage, clearly, and she's been right on a number
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Speaker 8: of serious issues. Is noted about that which underpins her vote.
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Speaker 8: But you have to move from grievance to being a
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Speaker 8: substantive party government and I don't think one nation have
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Speaker 8: done that, and I don't think they can do it Cambra.
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Speaker 2: And it's a tricky line for the Coalition to walk.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the more they criticize Pauline, the more voters.
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Speaker 3: Sympathize with her because they hate how she's always been bullied.
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Speaker 3: That's how they perceive it.
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Speaker 2: But they do have to mount an argument for why
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Speaker 2: voters should support them, you know, as James Patterson just did.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's right, But I mean Australian politics is now
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Speaker 9: a three way cage fight. I mean, you know, three
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Speaker 9: will enter, only one will get out. I mean they're
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Speaker 9: fighting each other as much as they are Labor and
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Speaker 9: This is the conundrum for the coalition. It's a one
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Speaker 9: nation coalition. Twill point, Michael. People are voting one nation
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Speaker 9: in Droves and Victoria. They're not waiting voting for Jess.
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Speaker 9: They're voting for one nation even without a leader, because
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Speaker 9: they're fed up with the Liberals who sit in the
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Speaker 9: Athananium Club going oh touched up those poor people. Well,
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Speaker 9: they can't possibly voting labor, they can't be possibly voting
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Speaker 9: one nation. They are, Michael, they are. And the reality
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Speaker 9: is Jess Wilson has not engaged with voters out there.
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Speaker 9: Voters are angry, and voters are voting for one nation
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Speaker 9: in drives and the only way Jess Wilson gets to
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Speaker 9: govern in Victoria after November thirty is with one nation support.
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Speaker 9: And that's a huge problem for the Victorian Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: Quick response to that, Michael.
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Speaker 8: I'm not sure about that. As a result of today's change,
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Speaker 8: I think ultimately the Liberal Party will be stronger, not
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Speaker 8: on the short term, but closer to the election. So
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Speaker 8: I don't accept that we can't win sixteen seats Net Cameron.
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Speaker 2: I mean, surely the change today fine, you know, Ben
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Speaker 2: Carroll isn't the despised figure that jacent to Allen was
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Speaker 2: but Cameron, it is still Labour's record, and this is
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Speaker 2: the Labor Party's own acknowledgement of how badly they've stuffed up,
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Speaker 2: that they've had to dump their own premiere.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's right. I mean, I think the thing is
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Speaker 9: here that I think Carol gives them a chance. You know,
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Speaker 9: it doesn't guarantee it, Michael, to your point, okay, but
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Speaker 9: it gives them a huge chance, huge chants to dump
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Speaker 9: the legacy of Andrews. Alan came in being too mendicant
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Speaker 9: to Andrew's faults and foibles. So dump Alan, dump Andrews.
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Speaker 9: Give voters a Royal commission on the CFMAU, give them
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Speaker 9: a choice, give them change. And that's actually the opportunity
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Speaker 9: Labor's got to your point earlier, Sharhi in the show,
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Speaker 9: the polls are still really close for Labor. So despite
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Speaker 9: Diciner Allen being unbelievably unpopular, Labor is still actually competitive
20:47
Speaker 9: in Victoria. And with a stronger leader who actually dumps
20:50
Speaker 9: the legacy, does the Royal Commission and gets on with things,
20:53
Speaker 9: I think it actually be very competitive in only a
20:56
Speaker 9: few weeks time.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Michael, Greg Sheridan a fascinating piece today about
21:01
Speaker 2: populist parties, and he was kind of arguing that those
21:04
Speaker 2: on the extreme left are more dangerous than the populist
21:08
Speaker 2: parties on the right and figures like Pauline Hanson and
21:12
Speaker 2: Nigel Farage and you know, Michael, we've seen that with
21:15
Speaker 2: Zorn Mamdani, who's introduced state run grocery store.
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Speaker 3: So you know, what did you think of this argument?
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Speaker 8: Well, Sheridan as usual is completely right, and of course
21:27
Speaker 8: the extreme left are more dangerous than the hard right
21:32
Speaker 8: for all the reasons we know. But and I never
21:35
Speaker 8: used the word communists because I think it's a bit
21:37
Speaker 8: naff because it implies mass killings like Mao. And that's
21:43
Speaker 8: why I never refer to people like Mandami et cetera
21:45
Speaker 8: as communists. But in an economic policy sense, opening grocery stores, really,
21:49
Speaker 8: somebody around Burke's act, you still down here in Melbourne,
21:52
Speaker 8: should give him a ring and tell him that this
21:56
Speaker 8: is the height of absurdity. He'll send every other grace
21:58
Speaker 8: that broke, He'll send up the cafes and things break.
22:02
Speaker 8: I mean, this is childish policy. This guy is just
22:05
Speaker 8: a rank amateur. But here's the problem in America that
22:09
Speaker 8: the American Democrat, the American center left voter blames Biden
22:15
Speaker 8: and Clinton and Harris for not beating Trump. And they
22:21
Speaker 8: think the traditional centrist Democrats are not good enough to
22:24
Speaker 8: beat Trump. So they've moved to the left to a
22:27
Speaker 8: far more aggressive stance against Trump. And that's why this
22:31
Speaker 8: is happening, because conventional democratic opposition to Donald Trump has
22:34
Speaker 8: failed on two occasions or three, if you believe. If
22:38
Speaker 8: you believe President Trump, I just.
22:40
Speaker 2: Think, thank god, ma'm Danny wasn't born in the United
22:43
Speaker 2: States so that he can't run for president, because it
22:46
Speaker 2: seems like I do not understand the widespread support among
22:50
Speaker 2: some people for him.
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Speaker 3: It really just flummixes me.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Cameron, you saw some of this similar ideology
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Speaker 2: at the Labor Party conference in Adelaide the weekend, didn't
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Speaker 2: you some of this radical left ideology. I mean, not
23:03
Speaker 2: all of those proposals got up, but the ideology was
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Speaker 2: still there.
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Speaker 3: It is, and I.
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Speaker 9: Think Sheridan's article was excellent today because I mean, you know,
23:11
Speaker 9: everyone sus says, oh, the hard right then the Nazis
23:14
Speaker 9: of this and that, But for goodness sake, the lefties,
23:16
Speaker 9: the hard lefties wearing cafes and being anti Israel, anti
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Speaker 9: Jewish and anti Semitic. They think that's all okay, that's
23:23
Speaker 9: somehow cool to be a lefty and being an anti Semite.
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Speaker 9: It's not chari, it's disgusting, it's despicable as you be
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Speaker 9: called out for it. And so to your point, the
23:30
Speaker 9: Labour Party conference had a lot of stuff being brought
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Speaker 9: to the conference floor. It might not have got through
23:34
Speaker 9: the factional daleks and the control at the top that
23:36
Speaker 9: Albernize was enforcing, but the fact they got there as motions,
23:39
Speaker 9: the fact that they're out there being debated shows you
23:41
Speaker 9: where the rank and file of the Labor Party are
23:43
Speaker 9: moving to. And I think this is Sheridan's article. Sheridon's
23:45
Speaker 9: point is as the right parties move further to the right,
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Speaker 9: there isn't a centrist party coming through the middle. The
23:51
Speaker 9: lefties are getting harder left, and that's a real worry
23:53
Speaker 9: for our body politic.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you even look at the prime minister.
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Speaker 2: I don't think we've ever had such a far left
23:59
Speaker 2: prime minister. Everyone fell for Albaneze's shtick that he'd moved
24:03
Speaker 2: into the sandy.
24:03
Speaker 3: He never moved into the center. He just pretended to
24:06
Speaker 3: bizarre now when we.
24:09
Speaker 2: Were all focused on this Labor Caucus meeting today, but
24:12
Speaker 2: there's a much more important meeting that's about to happen,
24:15
Speaker 2: which of course is President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime
24:17
Speaker 2: Minister Benjamin d and Yahoo. They're going to meet face
24:20
Speaker 2: to face about the Iran war. Bibby's gone over to Washington.
24:24
Speaker 2: The war is at a crossroads yet again. Now Michael
24:28
Speaker 2: Bibbi is reportedly pushing for regime changed in Tehran's that's
24:33
Speaker 2: just according to the reports.
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Speaker 3: Where do you think this is heading?
24:38
Speaker 8: So the first thing I'd say is, I think Trump's
24:40
Speaker 8: vote has bottomed out. People say it's an unpopular war
24:43
Speaker 8: and it stealing a lot of damage. I think the
24:44
Speaker 8: damage has been done in his polls, and despite the
24:48
Speaker 8: war going on, he is still favorite to control the
24:51
Speaker 8: Senate after the midterms in November. That is the most
24:54
Speaker 8: important thing for him. Domestically. He's going to lose the House,
24:58
Speaker 8: but he has to control the Senate the minute. He
25:00
Speaker 8: is still favored perhaps to lose two Senate seats, but
25:04
Speaker 8: not the four that the Democrats need. So I think
25:07
Speaker 8: that's probably given him strength. As to the point about
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Speaker 8: regime regime change, well, how we all favor regime change
25:15
Speaker 8: in Iran, it can only be done internally. Now, allegedly
25:19
Speaker 8: there was an attempt to get Ahmadinajad on side. Trump
25:23
Speaker 8: has referred to the fact that they gave guns to
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Speaker 8: people in Iran and they kept them, without detailing who
25:30
Speaker 8: that was. I present it was the Kurds in the north.
25:32
Speaker 8: But how is regime going to be brought about unless
25:36
Speaker 8: there is serious domestic opposition because the opposition in Iran
25:40
Speaker 8: don't have any weapons, so he can say he wants
25:42
Speaker 8: regime chame all he likes. Well, the Americans are not
25:45
Speaker 8: going to put boots on the ground. So unless it
25:47
Speaker 8: is railies do or unless they am a militia, I
25:50
Speaker 8: don't think it's going to happen.
25:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, camera, Mina, Michael Kroger, thank you
25:54
Speaker 2: so much, and let's return to the big news today.
25:58
Speaker 2: Of course, the Victorian Premier rolled and the Australians Associate
26:02
Speaker 2: editor John Ferguson he joins me.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: He argued today that Jacinta Allen could have turned her
26:07
Speaker 2: government towards the middle centrist road, but instead she blindly
26:11
Speaker 2: went on with reckless spending. John, great to see you
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Speaker 2: terrific peace. Do you think voters will buy Ben Carroll's
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Speaker 2: argument that you know, he had nothing to do with
26:22
Speaker 2: the toxic record of the past decade.
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Speaker 10: I don't think will necessarily buy that he had no connection.
26:31
Speaker 10: But I think that Labor Labor is still capable of
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Speaker 10: winning this next election. I think it's probably you'd have
26:39
Speaker 10: to guess that it's going to be a liberal one
26:42
Speaker 10: nation minority, but I think I think getting rid of Allan,
26:46
Speaker 10: in my view, sint to Allen was the worst premiere
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Speaker 10: I've sent in decades, so they've probably done the right
26:52
Speaker 10: thing for Labour's position, But it's very complicated down here, Shari.
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Speaker 11: It's not like anything with seen before.
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Speaker 3: Why because of the rise of one Nation?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, look, one nation talk about the rise of one Nation.
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Speaker 10: Newspaper this week has got One Nation coming off from
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Speaker 10: its peak down to into the teens. So it looks
27:18
Speaker 10: like it's heading towards Green's numbers if it keeps coming
27:22
Speaker 10: off the way it is, I think one Nation, and
27:24
Speaker 10: I argued on in Monday's paper that I think one
27:29
Speaker 10: Nation is overstated as a force in Victoria, but that
27:32
Speaker 10: doesn't mean it won't do well. For example, in the
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Speaker 10: upper House. But I think it's more nuanced and new
27:38
Speaker 10: and newspaper would suggest that it's going to be a
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Speaker 10: Coalition v. Labor contest more. But you know it's it's
27:47
Speaker 10: still you know, November twenty eighth, So I'm withholding judgment.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, Ben Carroll today in his first press conference, he
27:56
Speaker 2: clearly sought to frame the you know, the Coalition is
27:59
Speaker 2: in part a ship with One Nation, and he was
28:02
Speaker 2: pushed on this line that he'd promised his daughter he
28:05
Speaker 2: wouldn't stand against Jacinta Allen. The number of journalists asked
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Speaker 2: him about that. He just said, circumstances have changed.
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Speaker 3: Is that going to fly?
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Speaker 11: Look, I think it will.
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Speaker 10: I think I think all that, all that discussion gets
28:20
Speaker 10: drowned out by reality and and so you know, potential
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Speaker 10: Royal Commission, Labour's legacy, it's a bad legacy in lots
28:30
Speaker 10: of ways.
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Speaker 11: Certainly fiscally. I think One Nation is still.
28:35
Speaker 10: Going to be a big part of the story because
28:37
Speaker 10: I think, uh, it's it's you know, this is as
28:40
Speaker 10: John Howard said, it's the Massachusetts of Australia down here.
28:43
Speaker 10: So I think the city is going to be problematic
28:47
Speaker 10: for the Coalition and One Nation.
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Speaker 11: But it's just going to be really, really interesting. Shari.
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Speaker 10: I think I had appolse to contact him in today
28:56
Speaker 10: and said that I kept the numbers that the Coalition
29:00
Speaker 10: primary is going to have to well ab after thirty
29:02
Speaker 10: one percent it is at the moment in order for
29:04
Speaker 10: them to win. You know, we're all having bets, but
29:07
Speaker 10: I think I think Labors will in this race just
29:10
Speaker 10: very quickly.
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Speaker 2: Just finally, I mean, you know you've spoken about the
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Speaker 2: legacy of Jainta Allen and how bad it is, which
29:19
Speaker 2: one hundred percent is. Why do you think her legacy
29:21
Speaker 2: is worse than down Andrews.
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Speaker 10: Look, I don't think it's worse, but I think it's different.
29:29
Speaker 11: I think that he.
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Speaker 10: Was a much more and I use this word carefully,
29:35
Speaker 10: but it was a much more substantial politician. She was
29:38
Speaker 10: just a degrader who came in after him and had
29:41
Speaker 10: the opportunity to reset the government, and she never did.
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Speaker 10: And so I think that what needed to happen in
29:49
Speaker 10: twenty twenty three was a total reset, get away from
29:53
Speaker 10: everything that Andrews did. She was incapable of doing that.
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Speaker 10: Now she does that make it worse than Andrew's?
30:01
Speaker 11: Look?
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Speaker 10: Probably not, But I think that she was a title
30:03
Speaker 10: failure and she's the worst I've seen so whereas Andrews
30:07
Speaker 10: was much more nuanced and complicated than that.
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Speaker 11: But it's a very You could write a thesis about
30:13
Speaker 11: Andrews or.
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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you write a book berg maybe you write
30:17
Speaker 2: a book the worst premiers Australia has seen. All right,
30:22
Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining me. Still to come. The
30:25
Speaker 2: Western world gripped by terror attacks as former ISIS fighters
30:29
Speaker 2: want to return to Australia, and Angus Taylor has been
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Speaker 2: named in the corruption hearings today. I'll tell you why
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Speaker 2: after the break.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: There were corruption hearings today in New South Wales and
30:45
Speaker 2: it emerged that the New South Wales Liberals discussed seeking
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Speaker 2: financial backing for a breakaway right wing.
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Speaker 3: Faction from Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 2: There were text messages discussing a plan to have Taylor
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Speaker 2: donate fifteen thousand dollars to a group that they're called Reformers.
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Speaker 12: Dallas has told me he got the commitment from Angus
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Speaker 12: for the fifteen k injection plus a three K monthly donation.
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Speaker 12: Exclamation mark, yes, I say that, I take it. You
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Speaker 12: don't recall any of this message. I don't know and
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Speaker 12: you indicated you didn't recall mister Taylor making a financial contribution.
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 2: In other text messages, the Catholic Schools New South Wales
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Speaker 2: boss Dallas McInerney spoke about shaking down Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 12: He says, because he wants and I quote, to shake
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Speaker 12: down Angus for ten thousand dollars.
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Speaker 3: Do you see that?
31:36
Speaker 1: I do?
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Speaker 12: Do you know who the Angus is that mister mcannie's
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Speaker 12: referring to here.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I would assume it's Angus Taylor.
31:44
Speaker 2: And the editor of the Daily Telegraph, Ben English, joins
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Speaker 2: me now as always and a cheeresday, good to see you.
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Speaker 3: Ben. What have been the biggest revelations here so far?
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Speaker 13: Well, they've gone after the ex premiere and now they've
31:56
Speaker 13: mentioned the opposition leader, so they're going after the big
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Speaker 13: names early. It's often what our ikak does is to
32:03
Speaker 13: grab the headlines. And in both cases there's no suggestion
32:07
Speaker 13: there's any wrongdoing by the man, but it's still by
32:11
Speaker 13: dint of being mentioned at the ikak, it's massively damaging.
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Speaker 13: And this is the lasting that Angus Taylor needs to
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Speaker 13: be dragged into this which is going to basically go
32:19
Speaker 13: for two months and so it's not good for his brand.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the issue I've always had with Ikak
32:25
Speaker 2: is they look for the headlines, the front page that
32:29
Speaker 2: you know, the splashing news. Well, are there actually any
32:32
Speaker 2: findings about Angus Taylor and if not, why are you
32:34
Speaker 2: smearing his name?
32:35
Speaker 3: And the same with Dominic Parrot.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a really good point and they'll have to
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Speaker 13: justify that because they didn't qualify. There were no caveats
32:43
Speaker 13: next to the mention of them, and of course it
32:46
Speaker 13: is highly damaging. And what they're going to have to
32:48
Speaker 13: establish is that there was actually that this was clearly
32:52
Speaker 13: wrong what was done, and I don't think they've got
32:55
Speaker 13: there yet. What they're going to have to establish is
32:58
Speaker 13: that the money that went through from the Catholic schools
33:00
Speaker 13: through this mob that the reformers set up, and also
33:04
Speaker 13: from genasif was specifically for the purpose of branch stacking
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Speaker 13: and was falsified to be for other means. They haven't
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Speaker 13: done that yet.
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Speaker 2: So that's what this is all about, you know, dodgy
33:15
Speaker 2: property developer giving donations that they're gonna they're going to
33:19
Speaker 2: argue ultimately wound up involved somehow in the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: I mean that haven't established that yet.
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Speaker 13: That that is right, and the branch stacking actually is
33:28
Speaker 13: a it's essentially a miniature of what is wrong with
33:32
Speaker 13: a liberal party rit large. So basically you had this
33:37
Speaker 13: group called the Reformers. They were hardcore conservatives. It's not
33:42
Speaker 13: really philosophical, it was just they were just a different
33:44
Speaker 13: group to the center right. They wanted to destroy the
33:47
Speaker 13: center right. So they tried to basically saturate all the
33:51
Speaker 13: branches in the Hills district as northwest of Sydney with
33:54
Speaker 13: there with people that are friendly to them, and they
33:57
Speaker 13: use money to do it.
33:58
Speaker 2: Is the alegat the center I mean to right. People
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Speaker 2: probably don't know, but this is Scott Morrison's faction. They
34:03
Speaker 2: were coming after.
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Speaker 3: Alex Hale, Scott Morrison faction.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to this fascinating story front
34:08
Speaker 2: page of the New York Post about Zora and Mamdani
34:12
Speaker 2: that a rich list with the names and addresses of
34:15
Speaker 2: New York A listers has been leaked on the New
34:18
Speaker 2: York City of Department's Department of Finances website, and it's
34:23
Speaker 2: hundreds of celebrities who could be caught up in this
34:27
Speaker 2: annual extra tax on second homes. I mean, among the
34:32
Speaker 2: a listers Cynthia Nixon who you know backed by the way,
34:36
Speaker 2: Ma'm Danny and a win Tour, Taylor Swift, Woody Allen.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean most of them would have been enthusiastic
34:43
Speaker 13: Mum Danny supporters. So the irony is delicious. But it's
34:47
Speaker 13: called a Pierre Deterre tax, So only in New York,
34:51
Speaker 13: and only in a socialist in New York would tax
34:53
Speaker 13: a penhouse and then do it. It's in the bill
34:55
Speaker 13: in French. But yeah, it's highly ironic that these are
34:58
Speaker 13: the sort of the most enthusiastic supporters of Man Danny
35:02
Speaker 13: and there getting hammered. And that's what happens, is it.
35:04
Speaker 13: Socialists will keep taxing you until they run out of
35:06
Speaker 13: your money.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, shocking, honestly. Pauline Hanson has updated her registry
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Speaker 2: to finally declare who paid for her trip to Italy
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Speaker 2: and the fashion show.
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Speaker 13: Okay, so she's done this tonight and she's revealed the
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Speaker 13: Gina Ryan Hart, the iron or magnate billionaire, paid for
35:27
Speaker 13: her European trips and also the tickets to the flash
35:32
Speaker 13: Doca and Gabbani or Gabana fashion show in was.
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Speaker 14: It in Milan?
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Speaker 3: Was in Italy in Sicily? Was it in Sicily?
35:39
Speaker 13: Okay, thank you you're I don't know it was Italy,
35:44
Speaker 13: And so she's she's come out with it. People were
35:47
Speaker 13: speculating about what jender she didn't Actually, what she didn't
35:50
Speaker 13: declare was her trip from Australia to the UK. So
35:54
Speaker 13: it's just the European flights and the fashion show, and
35:57
Speaker 13: I think a lot of people will hyperventilate over that.
35:59
Speaker 11: I mean, what I would.
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Speaker 13: Say is that, you know, Pauline, she declared the trip,
36:06
Speaker 13: but if.
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Speaker 2: That means that taxpayers paid for her to go to Europe,
36:11
Speaker 2: you'd think there'd be some outrage about that.
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Speaker 13: She would have to declare that. Yeah, so she must
36:15
Speaker 13: have plaied for it herself. But I mean it's interesting
36:17
Speaker 13: because you look at with the controversy over Albanesi and
36:21
Speaker 13: the Chinese businessman and the point pipeland. So she's declared
36:25
Speaker 13: the trip, he's declared amnesia.
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Speaker 3: So good line. Shall I se your front page tomorrow?
36:30
Speaker 13: Okay? This is a it's actually really worrying one.
36:34
Speaker 3: So I think we're going to bring it up on.
36:36
Speaker 13: Hopefully yere it is Burbs go kaboom. So basically the
36:40
Speaker 13: one of the gang Lang Task Force has found this
36:44
Speaker 13: incredibly disturbing cache of weaponry in a so called safe house.
36:50
Speaker 13: And it included semi automatic assault rifles, shotguns, a thousand
36:57
Speaker 13: you know bits of you know so bullets and so forth.
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Speaker 13: But most chillingly, it includes six live grenades. I mean
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Speaker 13: what this shows is it's just escalated. I mean when
37:09
Speaker 13: we first started covering the Gangland crimes, they were doing
37:13
Speaker 13: each other over with pistols. This is a serious escalation
37:17
Speaker 13: of the Gangland war in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, luck you they found it. Ben, Thank you so much.
37:21
Speaker 2: Look forward to reading the paper tonight and tomorrow.
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Speaker 13: Cheers.
37:24
Speaker 3: Thanks sil to cum.
37:27
Speaker 2: Has alban Easy been given a free pass on the
37:30
Speaker 2: latest Isis scandal? Plus how will the Coalition respond to
37:34
Speaker 2: new Premier Ben Carroll or the Deputy Opposition leader David
37:38
Speaker 2: Southwick woild joined me after the break. Welcome back, and
37:45
Speaker 2: let's return to today's top story that the panicked Victorian
37:49
Speaker 2: Labor government imploded, dumping their leader ahead of the November election.
37:54
Speaker 3: And for more I'm joined by.
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Speaker 2: Deputy Opposition Leader David Southwick. David, would you have preferred
38:00
Speaker 2: to face.
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Speaker 3: The unpopular just Center Allen at the polls? David, have
38:08
Speaker 3: you got me? Can David hear us?
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Speaker 14: Sorry, Sharia, I'm not hearing you at the moment. So
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Speaker 14: I will kick off though and just say that we
38:17
Speaker 14: have a complete dysfunctional government at the moment, a government
38:22
Speaker 14: that he's changed the leader, but hasn't changed much else
38:27
Speaker 14: because it's still part of the same team, a government
38:31
Speaker 14: that are so focused on themselves. And we have a
38:35
Speaker 14: situation where nobody is looking after Victorians at the moment,
38:39
Speaker 14: and we're seeing literally a new premiere that was the
38:45
Speaker 14: partner in crime of Cinderellen, just like Cinderellen was a
38:48
Speaker 14: partner in crime for Daniel Andrews. Nothing's going to change
38:52
Speaker 14: in Victoria with Ben Carroll in charge. We're going to
38:55
Speaker 14: get more of the same, and unfortunately Victorians are not
38:58
Speaker 14: going to get the kind of change that they deserve.
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Speaker 14: This has been a great state but been led so
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Speaker 14: poorly by firstly Daniel Andrews, the unelected Jacinda Ellen, and
39:10
Speaker 14: now Ben Carroll is just more of the same.
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Speaker 2: Right, David Southwick, I think we're going to come back
39:18
Speaker 2: to you in a moment because we're going to make
39:20
Speaker 2: sure you can actually hear my questions. But right now,
39:23
Speaker 2: I want to turn to the fact that in the
39:25
Speaker 2: past few days there have been a spate of disturbing
39:28
Speaker 2: attacks some terror around the world. In Berlin, we saw
39:32
Speaker 2: an extremist driving a van into Berlin's Pride festival on
39:37
Speaker 2: Saturday night, killing one Injuring twenty nine, and shockingly, he'd
39:41
Speaker 2: only just been released from prison for trying to join Isis.
39:45
Speaker 2: Then over in Paris, three women, including one who was pregnant,
39:49
Speaker 2: was stabbed by a suspect who reportedly said it is
39:53
Speaker 2: Allah who commanded me. Then in New York, a man
39:57
Speaker 2: accused of stabbing a Jewish and Asian and reportedly yelled
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Speaker 2: out Allah akba during the attack. And then in Toronto,
40:06
Speaker 2: two Jewish bakeries and the US consulate was shot at
40:10
Speaker 2: in shocking attacks only a day apart. This is a
40:13
Speaker 2: concerning global trend, and former AFP detective David Craig joins me. Now, David,
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Speaker 2: there does seem to be this wave of Islamist attacks
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Speaker 2: around the world.
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Speaker 3: Bondei allegedly included.
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Speaker 15: Yes, shari and this is going to continue and it
40:30
Speaker 15: is going to get worse, I said right after the
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Speaker 15: Bondai shooting. If that wasn't a wake up call for
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Speaker 15: Australia to fundamentally change the way our courts, our laws,
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Speaker 15: and our politicians approach counter terrorism matters, particularly radical Islam.
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Speaker 15: Then we are in for a lot more hurt and
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Speaker 15: it's coming. I mean, the offender in Berlin was released
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Speaker 15: on US like a suspended sentence under a youth justice
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Speaker 15: program after being convicted for terrorism. So he wasn't released
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Speaker 15: after he served his time. He was released because considered
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Speaker 15: he wasn't a risk. I mean, you need to call
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Speaker 15: these things out. The courts need to be able to
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Speaker 15: identify and identify risk without fear of offending people or communities.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it also just the spate of
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Speaker 2: these attacks and just you know how closely they occur together,
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Speaker 2: it makes you think that this isn't really an issue
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Speaker 2: radical Islam that any country is dealing.
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Speaker 3: With on its own.
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Speaker 2: This is a global problem, and you know, I don't
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Speaker 2: think any world leaders are thinking hard enough about how
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Speaker 2: to deal with this.
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Speaker 13: No, we're not.
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Speaker 15: And obviously you know, the radicalization online of younger offenders
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Speaker 15: is going to increase, so obviously you know radicalization online
41:44
Speaker 15: is a very hard thing to police. I'm pleased the
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Speaker 15: AFP has been given some additional funding to try and
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Speaker 15: abate that influence. But it's going to be in place
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Speaker 15: in two years time. I think that's way too late.
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Speaker 15: We need to be more flexible, more adaptable to our environment. Yeah,
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Speaker 15: a young offender released today or young alleged defender released
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Speaker 15: dan Victorian court on terrorism charges on continued bil Again,
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Speaker 15: I hope that justice got it right because if she didn't,
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Speaker 15: it's a real risk and we need to really fundamentally
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Speaker 15: change the way we approach this.
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Speaker 2: And this at the same time as there's discussions of
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Speaker 2: course about ISIS fighters, not just the ISIS brides, but
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Speaker 2: ISIS fighters returning to Australia. Now, David, your concerned that
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Speaker 2: the alban Eazy government will need to provide housing for
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Speaker 2: any of the ISIS brides who've returned. I mean, is
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Speaker 2: this right and should taxpayers be funding this?
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Speaker 15: Well, of course it's completely wrong. I just don't know
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Speaker 15: what alternative the government has if they're going to welcome
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Speaker 15: back these brides of hate into Australia and not. I
42:54
Speaker 15: expect that they can't support themselves and I can't imagine
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Speaker 15: them getting a job. I expect that send Link and
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Speaker 15: Housing departments will be providing accommodation for them while they're
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Speaker 15: struggling Australians who are working and watching this show right
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Speaker 15: now that haven't broken the law that they can't afford
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Speaker 15: a house, they can't afford the accommodation of the rent.
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Speaker 15: I mean it's completely bizarre.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Now the ISIS fight as we learned about
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Speaker 2: one of them last week thanks to the Australian, the so.
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Speaker 3: Called doctor g had.
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Speaker 2: What do you think the government needs to do to
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Speaker 2: make sure he doesn't return home? I mean they don't
43:30
Speaker 2: seem to even be willing to engage in this conversation,
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Speaker 2: but what should they be doing?
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Speaker 15: Well, we need to be recording as much evidence as
43:38
Speaker 15: we can for a start like that. Today it's been
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Speaker 15: revealed that it's alleged that he has contacts within senior
43:44
Speaker 15: members of ISIS. Now that changes a lot for the
43:46
Speaker 15: prosecution and the risk assessment. If he's eventually welcomed back
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Speaker 15: here like every other ISIS associated by the Labor government,
43:53
Speaker 15: when he gets back here, will effective prosecution. What should
43:57
Speaker 15: be happening right now is a temporary exclusion order be
44:01
Speaker 15: done up. And if Tony Burke is serious that we
44:05
Speaker 15: don't meet the legal threshold, then Parliament needs to be recalled.
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Speaker 15: This is a matter of national security. This is thirteen.
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Speaker 15: Isis terrorist fighters coming back into our country. Now what
44:16
Speaker 15: would our forefathers have said, that fought in many wars
44:20
Speaker 15: to protect this nation. To see a government just roll
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Speaker 15: up the white flag and say, well, you know you
44:26
Speaker 15: might hate us, but we're just going to let you
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Speaker 15: back in, change the laws. That's what governments do protect us.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. Thank you so much for your time,
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Speaker 2: David Craig, And after the break we'll return to the
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Speaker 2: deputy Opposition leader to learn how the coalition will respond
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Speaker 2: to the new premiere.
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Speaker 3: That's next.
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Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back, and let's go now again to the
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Speaker 2: Deputy Opposition leader, David Southwick in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: David, thanks for joining me again.
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Speaker 2: Now the question is the polls are very tight, would
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Speaker 2: you govern with one nation?
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Speaker 14: Well, we will ensure that Victorians vote for us because
45:10
Speaker 14: we believe that we need to win in our own
45:12
Speaker 14: right and it is really important that we spend the
45:15
Speaker 14: next few months explaining the Victorians that the only way
45:18
Speaker 14: to change the government is to vote for us. And
45:22
Speaker 14: that's why we've had Jess Wilson embark on a tour
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Speaker 14: right across the state.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, told us about me.
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Speaker 2: Granted, yeah, James Hardison told us about a bit earlier.
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Speaker 2: But the way the polls are sitting, and we've heard
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Speaker 2: commentary tonight that you might only be in a position
45:40
Speaker 2: to govern if you form a coalition with one nation,
45:43
Speaker 2: so you know you're the deputy opposition leader, would you
45:45
Speaker 2: be prepared to do that?
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Speaker 14: Look, we're focused on our job and I think that's
45:50
Speaker 14: what Victorians expect. And between now and the twenty eighth
45:54
Speaker 14: of November, we will go to work each and every
45:57
Speaker 14: day to ensure we're listening to Victorians and explaining why
45:59
Speaker 14: they should elect a Jess Wilson government. And that's really important.
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Speaker 14: We shouldn't have to be relying on anybody to know.
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Speaker 14: We have a partner and that is the National Party,
46:10
Speaker 14: and that's our focus to ensure we have a liberal
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Speaker 14: National government come November, and we want to explain to
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Speaker 14: each and every Victorian that the only way to change
46:20
Speaker 14: the government is to vote for Jess Wilson. Don't divide
46:22
Speaker 14: to vote, focus on that and we believe that we
46:25
Speaker 14: can govern with a strong majority because let's see what
46:29
Speaker 14: let's look at what Sharry, What's just happened in the
46:31
Speaker 14: last period. We've got a chaotic government. We've got government
46:35
Speaker 14: that is so focused on themselves and that are not governing,
46:40
Speaker 14: and people have had enough. People have had a gut
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Speaker 14: full us.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, the polls are still very close in it
46:48
Speaker 2: there is the possibility that Labor could still win. I mean,
46:52
Speaker 2: don't voters deserve to know whether you would be prepared
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Speaker 2: to do an alliance with one nation.
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Speaker 14: I think what voters want to know is what we're
47:02
Speaker 14: going to do differently, how we're going to tackle the
47:04
Speaker 14: crime issues, how we're going to ensure that we have
47:07
Speaker 14: a real royal commission, not a fake royal commission that
47:10
Speaker 14: the Premier has now suggested that they're finally going to do.
47:15
Speaker 14: We will ensure that people know exactly what they will
47:18
Speaker 14: be voting for come November, and we will be ready
47:21
Speaker 14: to actually do the work. We won't waste any time
47:24
Speaker 14: and we'll get Victoria to where it once was. This
47:27
Speaker 14: was the state in the nation and that's what we
47:30
Speaker 14: want to focus on to ensure we can deliver that
47:32
Speaker 14: again under a Jest Wilson government.
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Speaker 2: Because of the tech issues, we're now really crunched for time.
47:37
Speaker 2: I did want to ask you about I've learned that
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Speaker 2: Victorian police are investigating three anti Semitic incidents at a
47:45
Speaker 2: Monash health site. The chief executive. I've obtained a letter
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Speaker 2: that he wrote where he said he's a poll to
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Speaker 2: inform you that three abhorrent incidents have recently occurred. Now
47:55
Speaker 2: I've heard this might have involved swastikas allegedly graffited.
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Speaker 3: By a staff member. David, what do you know about this?
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Speaker 14: It's only just been brought to my attention as well, Shari.
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Speaker 14: This is horrific again. We're just seeing this happening time
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Speaker 14: and time again on our streets. We need consequences for
48:15
Speaker 14: these who kinds of things. No more inquiries. We have
48:18
Speaker 14: Royal commissions again on hate and anti Semitism that you
48:21
Speaker 14: know we've been calling for. What we're seeing in Melbourne
48:25
Speaker 14: needs to change and we need to ensure that those
48:29
Speaker 14: people that commit these kinds offenses are held to account.
48:32
Speaker 14: Enough is enough. The Jewish community has been through enough
48:36
Speaker 14: in Victoria and to see these things in our health
48:39
Speaker 14: system that needs to change. It's the first job for
48:42
Speaker 14: the premier. Let's see what the Premier is going to
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Speaker 14: do to ensure that we don't have swatstickers happening in
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Speaker 14: our health health facilities, and that proper consequences happen for
48:51
Speaker 14: those people that are responsible for it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, I'm so sorry. We are shot on time.
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Speaker 2: It would have been a longer interview of class except
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Speaker 2: for the heck issue.
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Speaker 3: Beble'll do it again next time we will.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, David Southwick really appreciate your time tonight.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, and that's it from me.
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Speaker 2: And don't go anywhere because up now Paul Murray with
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen please explain.
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Speaker 3: Good night,