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GLAM 'RUSSIAN' SWINGER Takes Plea Deal in HIT ON HUBBY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Sadly, we've all heard the
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Speaker 1: phrase I'm too pretty for jail judge, and even more sadly,
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Speaker 1: it has often worked. Now there's a new saying, I'm
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Speaker 1: too pretty for a long sentence judge, and it worked. Yes,
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Speaker 1: you heard me, the glamorous quote. Murder for higher equestrian
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Speaker 1: Tatiana Rimley just sentenced to under four years in a
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Speaker 1: shocking plea deal after she absolutely hires a hitman to
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Speaker 1: kill her husband for two million dollars. That's right, she
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Speaker 1: orders a hit. She pays good money for a contract
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Speaker 1: to kill her husband, Mark Rimley, just days after she
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Speaker 1: files for divorce. She admits it, and she's only sentenced
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Speaker 1: to three years eight months in a state jail. That's
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Speaker 1: not even prison, after cutting a deal with prosecutors. And
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Speaker 1: of course Starbucks is playing a role in this, as
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Speaker 1: so often occurs. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us here at Crime Stories and
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Speaker 1: on Serious XEM one eleven. Let's say Starbucks, Starbucks, Starbucks?
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Speaker 1: Why do people meet undercover cops at Starbucks? Seriously, don't
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Speaker 1: they know that there are cameras, surveillance cameras, not only
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Speaker 1: in the drive through, but inside the Starbucks where all
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Speaker 1: the millenniums millennials are laying around reading and chatting on
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Speaker 1: their phones. That said, oh gosh, she was Dahlia Dippolito.
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Speaker 1: Her Remember her when when when my husband's dead, she
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Speaker 1: tried to poison her husband allegedly with a poisonous Starbucks drink.
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Speaker 1: Starbucks did not poison it, She poisoned it allegedly, and
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Speaker 1: then went on to hire a hitman aka undercover agent
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Speaker 1: to kill her husband. I loved it so much. They
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Speaker 1: set up a sting okay, and told her that her
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Speaker 1: husband was dead. I always say, Meryl Streep, move over
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Speaker 1: this woman, Dahlia Dippolito. Man, Oh the act she put on,
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Speaker 1: the screaming of the crying, the pain, the agony, the
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Speaker 1: bending over double physically in pain over her dead husband
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Speaker 1: that she ordered to be murdered. That all started out
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Speaker 1: of Starbucks. And now we have another one because Tatiana Rimley,
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Speaker 1: the this catchphrase is just killing me. The glamorous murder
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Speaker 1: for higher equestrian. She is a vicious and cold blooded
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Speaker 1: would be killer, but okay, glamorous murder for higher equestrian.
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Speaker 1: She was seized by undercover cops posing as the assassins
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Speaker 1: when she met them at a California Starbucks. I'm just
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Speaker 1: stunned that anybody would take a three year deal on
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Speaker 1: a hit, trying to put a two million dollar contract
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Speaker 1: on her husband's life. Now, she was charged in August
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Speaker 1: after she was arrested in a sting by undercover agents
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Speaker 1: of San Diego, who she was convinced weren't contract killers.
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Speaker 1: She brought three guns and a cash deposit for the
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Speaker 1: murder of her husband, who she said she had left
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Speaker 1: quote acting like a scared puppy. I guess he did
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Speaker 1: because he was married to her. She's basically got blood
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Speaker 1: dripping from her mouth like a vampire. Okay, I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at a picture of her. Oh my goodness. Now there
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Speaker 1: are pushup bras, and then there are pushup bras. This well,
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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. The
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Speaker 1: heiress Tatiana Ramley will now be jail for a little
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Speaker 1: over three years in California after she admits putting a
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Speaker 1: two million dollar contract on her husband's life. Okay, how
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Speaker 1: did this whole thing start?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 3: Remley had lived a life of luxury in del mar
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Speaker 3: filled with multimillion dollar homes, price horses and sports cars.
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Speaker 4: I've always wanted to start a show.
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Speaker 3: Forty two year old Tatiana Ramley captured the spotlight back
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Speaker 3: in twenty twelve for her involvement in a failed multimillion
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Speaker 3: dollar horse show at the del Mar Fairgrounds, and tonight
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Speaker 3: she's behindh bars now facing far more serious allegations of
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Speaker 3: trying to have her husband, fifty seven year old Mark
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Speaker 3: Remley killed for two million dollars.
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Speaker 1: They sure are throwing around a lot of money. And
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Speaker 1: did you hear her voice?
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Speaker 4: I always wanted to put on a show.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like John David and Lucy when they would
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Speaker 1: put on a magic show at the Christmas gathering or
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Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving gathering or the summer gathering with all the
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Speaker 1: Lynches and the Graces all together. They want to quote
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Speaker 1: put on a show, and then we find out it's
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Speaker 1: a very very expensive horse show.
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Speaker 4: Who has that.
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Speaker 1: Kind of money to throw around? Well, I think I
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Speaker 1: might know the answer to that. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: more from our friends at CBS eight.
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Speaker 3: According to the Sheriff's Department, Remley tried to hire a
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Speaker 3: hitman sometime between July first and August second, right around
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Speaker 3: the time she had filed for divorce. On July third,
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Speaker 3: investigators save they received a tip that Remley was trying
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Speaker 3: to have her husband killed one day after a suspicious
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Speaker 3: fire at their home run Rancho Roposo. The Sheriff's Department
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Speaker 3: then launched a sting operation. An undercover detective met with
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Speaker 3: Tatiana at a Starbucks in Solana Beach, where she allegedly
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Speaker 3: provided detailed information on how she wanted her husband killed
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Speaker 3: and his body disposed of. She also allegedly brought with
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Speaker 3: her three additional firearms, as well as cash to place
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Speaker 3: a down payment for the murder, leading to her arrest.
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Speaker 1: I've got an all star panel, but before I go
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Speaker 1: to chief investigative reporter for dailymail dot Comjensmith, Kathleen Murphy
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Speaker 1: is with me, high profile divorce lawyer. You can find
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Speaker 1: her at Ncdomestic Law dot com.
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Speaker 4: Kathleen Murphy. I know you've.
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Speaker 1: Handled so many divorces you can hardly keep them all straight.
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Speaker 1: But what is wrong with rich people? I mean, there
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Speaker 1: are people in this world aching out a living. They
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Speaker 1: don't have enough to eat. They have what we call
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Speaker 1: food insecurity. They don't know where their next meal is coming. From.
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Speaker 1: They've got children that don't have enough to eat, they
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Speaker 1: barely have a roof over their head. They go paycheck
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Speaker 1: to paycheck. Hey, I've been there, that whole paycheck to
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Speaker 1: paycheck thing.
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Speaker 4: I've worked the three Johns. I get it.
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Speaker 1: So it seems to me the more money people get,
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Speaker 1: the more miserable they are.
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Speaker 5: Nancy, I have a policy in my office that if
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Speaker 5: crazy walks through the door, they're going to walk right
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Speaker 5: back out.
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Speaker 1: I just don't have the.
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Speaker 5: Time to deal with that when we have children who
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Speaker 5: really have needs, and this couple didn't even have any
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Speaker 5: children between them, and they're acting like pure fools. In
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Speaker 5: North Carolina, you don't even get to bring any of this.
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Speaker 5: Shazazzle into an equitable district is.
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Speaker 1: A technical legal term. They did not teach me either
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Speaker 1: at Mercer Law School, the Walter of George School's law
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Speaker 1: or NYU. Shazazzle is that one of your what that
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Speaker 1: is a legal term North Carolina?
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Speaker 6: That is a legal term.
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Speaker 4: And what may I asked? Azz mean?
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Speaker 1: Well, okay, got it, that's what that is. Okay, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that is a technical legal term. Thank you. I've got
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Speaker 1: a new word, guys. We are talking about it. So
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Speaker 1: called glamorous Russian equestion. Boy, do I've got a surprise
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Speaker 1: for you? Who is accused of taking out a two
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Speaker 1: million dollar hit on her husband?
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Speaker 4: And with me right now?
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold renounced psychiatrist joining us out of the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold md dot com.
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Speaker 4: What is wrong with rich people?
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Speaker 1: I didn't really get a good answer from Kathleen Murphy.
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Speaker 1: I learned a new legal term, chzazzle. But what is
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Speaker 1: wrong with them? A two million dollar hit? I mean
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Speaker 1: they've got money coming out of their rare ends.
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Speaker 7: So, Nancy, I believe that when people become so wealthy
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Speaker 7: that they lose their purpose in life. They have no
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Speaker 7: purpose in life. They can have whatever they want, they
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Speaker 7: don't have to wait for anything, and it changes your mindset.
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Speaker 7: When you don't have a purpose, you don't have to work,
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Speaker 7: you don't have to have delayed gratification, and it makes
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Speaker 7: people unhappy.
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Speaker 1: You know what my grandmother said, Doctor Angie Arnold, idle
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Speaker 1: hands are the devil's workshop. I mean, it's all wait
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Speaker 1: out right there in Genesis. And I'm certainly not a
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Speaker 1: Bible scholar, but I was very shocked when I learned.
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Speaker 1: It says in Genesis that we are here to glorify
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Speaker 1: and to work to.
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Speaker 4: Toil Ti L.
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Speaker 1: I think there's a reason for that, because apparently he
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Speaker 1: was getting too much trouble when they don't have a job.
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Speaker 4: So how did the whole thing go down?
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Speaker 1: Jim Smith joining me, Chief investigative reporter, Dailymail dot Com.
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Speaker 4: First of all, is the husband still alive?
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Speaker 6: As far as we know, he is absolutely alive, Nancy,
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Speaker 6: But he can't be sund we don't know where he is.
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Speaker 1: Wait, Jen Smith, haven't you been in my world long
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Speaker 1: enough to know when somebody goes missing there's a really
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Speaker 1: good chance they're dead. This woman's already a legedly taking
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Speaker 1: out a two million dollar hit on the guy, and
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Speaker 1: now we can't find him. Why do you think he's alive?
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Speaker 4: Jen Smith?
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Speaker 1: And I'd like to point out Jackie is furiously waving
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Speaker 1: a note at me. Put it back up, please, unlet's
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Speaker 1: eve erace it that he and she's angry. She's angry
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Speaker 1: this morning because this guy that we can't find, Mark Rimley,
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Speaker 1: inherited all of his money. He didn't earn it. And
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Speaker 1: I have to agree with you, Jackie, there's a big
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Speaker 1: difference when you are born into money and when you
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Speaker 1: have to work for it.
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Speaker 6: Well, you're right, I mean normally, when we have an
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Speaker 6: attempted murder, for higher plaut, we have a missing intended victim,
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Speaker 6: you would think that they're in real trouble. The reason
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Speaker 6: I say he is missing is because before any of
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Speaker 6: us learned to grow this Plawtntainy Mark Bramley roared up
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Speaker 6: in his ferrari to his neighbor's host said, I'm having
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Speaker 6: a seizure. I need to go to the hospital. You
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Speaker 6: need to help.
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Speaker 2: Wait.
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Speaker 1: He could drive his ferrari to his neighbor's house, but
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Speaker 1: he couldn't call nine to one one.
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Speaker 4: I'm having a seizure. Is that what he said?
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Speaker 6: Many many questions around the behavior of this couple. Obviously,
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Speaker 6: he was taken to the hospital for medical care. We
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Speaker 6: know that he made it there, and we know that
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Speaker 6: he seemingly made it after that. It looks like he's
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Speaker 6: high tailed it. And I can't say that many people
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Speaker 6: would blame him given what his wife KATHIAA had in
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Speaker 6: store for him.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so we know he was at the hospital. We
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Speaker 1: know he was discharged from the hospital from his seizure.
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Speaker 1: I still don't understand why he drove to his neighbors.
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Speaker 1: Let me guess, is it a red Ferrari? I'm just wild, guess.
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Speaker 6: It's actually a black Ferrari.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, that was my second choice time stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. In the latest, the so called Glamorous Murder
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Speaker 1: for higher equestrian Tatiana Rimley sentenced to a little over
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Speaker 1: three years behind bars and a stunning plea deal in
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Speaker 1: California after she admits she hires a hitman to kill
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Speaker 1: her husband for two million dollars, showing up with three
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Speaker 1: guns and money to the assassins, who were really undercover
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Speaker 1: agents at a Starbucks.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: The couple married back in twenty eleven and had already
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Speaker 1: filed divorce papers against each other before they gained fame
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Speaker 1: the next year with an equestrian circus show at the
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Speaker 1: Delmar Fairgrounds, and it was based on the really famous
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Speaker 1: Cirq to Slay. The Valetar show was a huge flop,
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Speaker 1: and it plunged into bankruptcy after just five of the
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Speaker 1: planned forty five performances. Now, the I feel like I'm
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Speaker 1: eating a dirt sandwich when I keep saying this. The glamorous. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I gotta give it to her. She is glamorous, Well
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Speaker 1: she is. Now she's not gonna be glamorous behind bars.
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Speaker 1: But the Glamorous Murder for Higher Equestrian Tatiana Rimley. Now,
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Speaker 1: she claimed that she was Russian with a background in dressage. Dressage, Well,
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Speaker 1: it's for rich people, let's just start right there. Uh,
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Speaker 1: it's a certain type of an equestrian horse assent. It's
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Speaker 1: requires a lot of training and a lot of skill
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Speaker 1: and a lot of precision. Again, she claimed to be
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Speaker 1: Russian with the background in dusage, and she fronted publicity
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Speaker 1: and insisted that her face appear on every billboard, every poster,
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Speaker 1: every ad, and that she appear in the show despite
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Speaker 1: mediocre at best writing skills. Well, she didn't do any
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Speaker 1: of the stunts, according to sources. But in the end,
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Speaker 1: when the whole cast would line up and everybody's applauding,
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Speaker 1: this blonde lady comes down the center, all the other
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Speaker 1: cast members part for her, and there is silence and
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Speaker 1: everybody says, who's that, Oh, it's the lady and the poster.
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Speaker 1: Well that was Tatiana Remley. The Glamorous Murder for Higher
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Speaker 1: Equestion still choking on that she is a would be killer.
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Speaker 1: She's bloodthirsty. Have you ever picked up a frog and
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Speaker 1: looked at right in the face. It has no emotion
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Speaker 1: at all. It just looks to eat you with those cold,
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Speaker 1: blood a little eyes. That's her, She's the frog in
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Speaker 1: the scenario. Anyway, back to how this whole things started
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Speaker 1: Jim Smith joining me, Chief investigative reporter, dailymail dot Com.
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Speaker 1: How does she end up getting found out by police?
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Speaker 6: Well, not very clever, moved by tassi Anna Rambley. The
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Speaker 6: person that she confessed her plan to was a mutual
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Speaker 6: friend of the couple, who, upon hearing her intention to
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Speaker 6: have her husband murdered, he called the police. Then from
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Speaker 6: there the police initiated a sting operation and the intended
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Speaker 6: hitman nan see the person she thought she was going
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Speaker 6: to pay two million dollars to kill her husband, even
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Speaker 6: an undercover cop. That's how it's all unraveled.
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Speaker 1: Robin Driike joining Me, behavior expert, former FBI Special Agent,
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Speaker 1: chief of the FBI Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program and author
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Speaker 1: of Sizing People Up. This is an incredible book, by
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Speaker 1: a veteran FBI A just manual for behavior prediction.
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Speaker 4: I usually put it in a nutshell, Robin Drake.
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Speaker 1: If you don't know what somebody's gonna do, look at
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Speaker 1: what they've already done. That's just my general formula, Robin Drake,
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Speaker 1: what's wrong with these two people?
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Speaker 8: Well, you hit it right there, and we'll riff on
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Speaker 8: what your other guests just said. And this is she's
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Speaker 8: got a life arc of.
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Speaker 1: Shizzazzle mispronunciation place I believe she says shiz azzle.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, this is dazzle.
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Speaker 9: But it's these people.
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Speaker 8: You know, we're genetically and biologically coded to survive and
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Speaker 8: thrive in deprivation, believe or not, as biological organisms on
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Speaker 8: its planning. So when you have a when you have
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Speaker 8: abundance like they have, you get ultimately caught up in
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Speaker 8: the cult of more, and you're constantly wanting and craving more.
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Speaker 8: And my question throughout this entire thing, she's got a
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Speaker 8: life arc of really abnormal, unhealthy behavior of all these
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Speaker 8: things and violence and sex and drugs and rock and
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Speaker 8: roll and all that. But I'm really curious as to
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Speaker 8: what she was going to gain by killing her husband,
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Speaker 8: because she's using financial gains from child support and all
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Speaker 8: these other things. But always there's a motive behind Killy's.
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Speaker 8: A lot of times it's life insurance policies and things
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Speaker 8: like that.
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Speaker 6: But what I'm.
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Speaker 8: Really curious about is every other husband has a pre
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Speaker 8: nup that's been really rock solid against her, and so
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Speaker 8: she's really struggled at hers. I really want to know
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Speaker 8: why she wanted to have them killed. What was she
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Speaker 8: going to get? All her behavior throughout her entire life
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Speaker 8: has been self serving for herself, and I'm not getting
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Speaker 8: it yet.
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Speaker 1: I think I've started that by asking what is wrong
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Speaker 1: with these people? And frankly, that's not my concern. I'm
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Speaker 1: not a shrink. I don't need to know what's wrong
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Speaker 1: with them. I don't need to know why. The reality
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Speaker 1: is that when you are in court and you're trying
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Speaker 1: to prove a case why, motive doesn't matter. The state
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Speaker 1: never has to prove motive realistically, practically speaking, would like
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Speaker 1: to find out why, because you see these two come
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Speaker 1: into court and you think, why would she risk it
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Speaker 1: all by hiring a hitman? So you may want to
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Speaker 1: know motive so you can tell that to a jury,
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Speaker 1: so that final piece of the puzzle isn't missing. But
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Speaker 1: I want to find out more about these people and
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Speaker 1: about the alleged hit. Now a lot started falling apart
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Speaker 1: after a failed horse show. A failed horse show, and
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Speaker 1: guess who I've got with me? An equestrian specialists. But
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Speaker 1: what does that have to do with these two who
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Speaker 1: are in a whole heap of trouble. It's like two
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Speaker 1: wet cats and a barrel. Take a listen our cut seventeen,
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Speaker 1: ABC ten.
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Speaker 10: More than a month after the Valatar Show was abruptly canceled,
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Speaker 10: the Big Red Tent is still here at the del
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Speaker 10: Mar Fairgrounds parking lot, and tonight the show's producers are
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Speaker 10: facing a second lawsuit. Elite Show Services, a company you
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Speaker 10: might know from Chargers Games, where they provide security allotar
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Speaker 10: producer Mark Rimley and his wife Tatiana owe them more
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Speaker 10: than sixty five thousand dollars. Elite's beef with the Rimleys
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Speaker 10: actually goes back about four years. The company says the
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Speaker 10: Rimley's not only stiffed them on Valotar Elite says, the
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Speaker 10: couple has done the same thing to them before.
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Speaker 4: Jasmeth, what is Valatar?
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Speaker 6: So Valatar would have been and was, briefly the Ramleys
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Speaker 6: sort of perman version of the show that you mentioned
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Speaker 6: that you had seen yourself, Nancy Oh. They decided that
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Speaker 6: they wanted to create a sort of version similar versions,
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Speaker 6: but they wanted it to be raunchier. So their idea
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Speaker 6: was that they would gather horses, they would gather kind
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Speaker 6: of sexy acrobats, and they would put on this horse
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Speaker 6: show that would rival what you saw, which was actually
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Speaker 6: created by one of the founders of Sarcus Delay. So
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Speaker 6: pretty lost the ambitions there that was Valatar. It didn't
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Speaker 6: last very long, I think maybe four or five shows.
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Speaker 6: And really the problem was that while Tatiana might have
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Speaker 6: been a horse enthusiast, she certainly bought some or her
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Speaker 6: husband's thought them for her, she knew nothing about what
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Speaker 6: it required to run not just a show, but a
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Speaker 6: show involving animals. There were accidents on sets. Some of
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Speaker 6: the horses ended up with broken legs, getting tangled in
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Speaker 6: carriages that she was trying to use in props. You
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Speaker 6: had experts warning her, you know, don't know anything about this,
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Speaker 6: and her husband was the same. So the show didn't
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Speaker 6: last very long. But it might not come as a
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Speaker 6: surprise to you to learn she was the face of it.
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Speaker 6: She was the face that you saw on all the
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Speaker 6: posters advertising this horse show, and she was the one
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Speaker 6: who came out at the end of the show took
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Speaker 6: about for the audience, even though she really had no
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Speaker 6: involvement in any of the stuns in.
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Speaker 1: The last days. The murder for hire Okay, I'll say
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Speaker 1: it again, glamorous murder for higher equestrian Tatiana Rimley sentenced
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Speaker 1: to just a little over three years for a cold
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Speaker 1: blooded murder for higher plot. I'm stune, I'm stune. What
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Speaker 1: were those prosecutors thinking.
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Speaker 5: Oh?
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Speaker 1: I can hear doctor Angela Arnold trumping at the bit
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Speaker 1: to scream out narcissism. But hold on, I want you
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Speaker 1: ought to know more facts about the I mean, what
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Speaker 1: a boondoggle. Just just think about how much college tuition
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Speaker 1: was everything I think about I think about? Okay, would
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Speaker 1: this be the twins college tuition? Would this be the
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Speaker 1: health insurance? Do I really want it that much that
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Speaker 1: I have to pay this amount for it? When I
21:34
Speaker 1: hear seventy thousand dollars and this amount and that amount,
21:38
Speaker 1: that's how.
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Speaker 4: I look at it.
21:40
Speaker 1: I want you to hear more about this so called
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Speaker 1: horse show. I think it's a lot more than that.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at ABC ten.
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Speaker 10: Ballatar went dark in late November after just a few performances.
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Speaker 5: They did strand the performers, and they stranded the horses
21:53
Speaker 5: as well.
21:54
Speaker 10: A benefit show held in December raised enough money to
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Speaker 10: send all the performers and horses home.
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Speaker 11: During the sho show, she showed up one day with
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Speaker 11: a horse and was like, oh, look, I just got
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Speaker 11: this horse. I only spent seventy thousand dollars on him.
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Speaker 11: The asking price for the horse at the time had
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Speaker 11: been thirty K, so she managed to spend forty thousand
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Speaker 11: dollars more than the asking price just because she decided
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Speaker 11: she wanted that horse.
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Speaker 9: And someone saw a sucker written on her face.
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Speaker 1: I guess seventy thousand dollars for a thirty thousand dollars horse.
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Speaker 1: You were hearing Eric Martanovitch with our friends at News Nation.
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Speaker 1: But now take a listen to Eric Martanovitch speaking to
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Speaker 1: that billboard.
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Speaker 4: Jen Smith was telling you about, and.
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Speaker 9: She wanted to.
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Speaker 11: She had a billboard for Valatar the show made with
22:43
Speaker 11: her standing there looking as sexy as she could holding
22:46
Speaker 11: a pole, kind of looked like an ad for a
22:47
Speaker 11: trip club. And she put it on I five where
22:51
Speaker 11: he had to drive every day.
22:52
Speaker 9: So that he would have to see it.
22:54
Speaker 11: So she she definitely had a little vendetta going. She
22:57
Speaker 11: obviously didn't like him, and she wanted to show him
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Speaker 11: how wonderful she was doing without him.
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Speaker 1: Okay, with that in mind, I want to introduce to
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Speaker 1: you to as very special guest, Bridget Brandon, joining us
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Speaker 1: out of Texas Horse Specialist. She is the president of
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Speaker 1: the Equine Expert. You can find her at the Equine
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Speaker 1: Expert dot com. Bridget Brandon, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 4: When I heard that some.
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Speaker 1: Of the horses fell with tangled up in carriages and
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Speaker 1: so forth, I mean, isn't a broken leg essentially the
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Speaker 1: kiss of death for a horse, a show horse?
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Speaker 2: Well, it can be. I'm not a vet, and there's
23:38
Speaker 2: been a lot of new technology as far as medicine goes,
23:43
Speaker 2: but certainly with the broken leg it can end a
23:47
Speaker 2: horses athletic performance for sure. Most of these horses were
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Speaker 2: either stallions or gelings, but certainly with the broken leg
23:59
Speaker 2: it could run that horse's particular career and devalue.
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Speaker 7: The horse as well.
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Speaker 1: I was listening to what various guests and experts have
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Speaker 1: said that while she knew how to ride a horse,
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Speaker 1: putting on a horse show to the extent of something
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Speaker 1: comparable to cavalia, that's a big deal.
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Speaker 4: That's a very big deal.
24:22
Speaker 2: You've got to consider the bedding, the footing, the feed,
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Speaker 2: the water where you're going to practice, the conditions for
24:33
Speaker 2: the horses, heat and air. There's a lot of planning
24:41
Speaker 2: circumstances you've got to have that's available on hand. And
24:45
Speaker 2: you know, in case an accident happens, like broken leg
24:49
Speaker 2: or an injury of some sort a horse colleges, there's
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Speaker 2: numerous things that you've.
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Speaker 7: Got to be prepared for.
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Speaker 2: And it's one of those stry you just don't If
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Speaker 2: you don't if you're not experienced in it, you just
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Speaker 2: don't know what you don't know.
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Speaker 4: Many things could happen another thing.
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Speaker 1: Bridget Brandon with US Horse Specialists, the president of the
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Speaker 1: Equine Expert Bridget I am always fascinated by well many
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Speaker 1: events in the Olympics, but I remember seeing I think
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Speaker 1: it was one of the royals competing in a horse
25:24
Speaker 1: drawn carriage race. I mean we're used to, for instance,
25:28
Speaker 1: the Kentucky Derby or various races we see on American TV.
25:33
Speaker 1: We don't see a lot of carriage races. It's a
25:37
Speaker 1: very very specialized sport.
25:40
Speaker 2: It is a specialized sport, and it involves a lot
25:43
Speaker 2: of twists and turns and going around obstacles, and you
25:49
Speaker 2: have to have very highly trained horses to do that
25:53
Speaker 2: type of event, and you yourself need to be trained
25:55
Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 1: Weren't there carriage horses in this show? To you, Jenn Smith?
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Speaker 6: There were? I mean whether or not they actually ended
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Speaker 6: up using them in the show, I'm not sure. But
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Speaker 6: we know that there was some sort of accident in
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Speaker 6: the rehearsal involving at least one horse, and that horse
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Speaker 6: ended up breaking its legs because it got caught in
26:16
Speaker 6: the contraptments that they were trying to use.
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Speaker 1: So what happened did they just pull out leave everybody
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Speaker 1: hind right without paying them?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's exactly what's alleged. And then what happened afterwards,
26:26
Speaker 6: were you know, a mountain of lasses you have these
26:28
Speaker 6: people who give up their time to do this, they
26:32
Speaker 6: say no to other jobs, and then they end up
26:36
Speaker 6: kind of high and dry. We know that Mark and
26:39
Speaker 6: Tastian and that they had tumultuous marriage. We ended up
26:43
Speaker 6: staying together for you know, legally married around ten years.
26:48
Speaker 6: But there were on again off again there were separations.
26:51
Speaker 6: There were you know, real gaps where they were not
26:54
Speaker 6: a united front. And at least during one of those,
26:57
Speaker 6: Mark said that he wanted to carry on with the
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Speaker 6: show and was going to deal with the experts himself,
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Speaker 6: putting Tatiana out of it. They then ended up back
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Speaker 6: together and Tatiana's back in the frame. It was just
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Speaker 6: a whole mess. These were two people who did not
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Speaker 6: know what they were doing and clearly weren't prepared to
27:15
Speaker 6: listen to the experts were telling them all.
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Speaker 4: That money though Jenn Smith, well.
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Speaker 6: Apparently it wasn't enough to put on what they wanted
27:23
Speaker 6: to do. The experts that we've all heard from and said, yeah,
27:27
Speaker 6: they had some money, but it wasn't enough to achieve
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Speaker 6: or pull off the level of theatrics and performance that
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Speaker 6: they were trying to achieve.
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Speaker 1: He had the money, millions and millions of dollars. I
27:38
Speaker 1: don't know how much more he wanted to sink into
27:41
Speaker 1: a horse show. But guys, they had more problems than
27:45
Speaker 1: just money problems and horse problems.
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Speaker 4: Take a listen to our cut twenty four.
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Speaker 9: So in a seventeen I got a phone call from Mark.
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Speaker 11: This is after our business deals had failed miserably and
27:56
Speaker 11: I didn't want anything to do with him, and he
27:57
Speaker 11: was trying to get me to come down to San
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Speaker 11: Diego and hang out.
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Speaker 9: And I couldn't figure out what he wanted.
28:02
Speaker 11: A friend of ours was at my place and we
28:04
Speaker 11: were talking about it, and I just brought it up as.
28:05
Speaker 9: A weird thing, that why was Mark bothering me?
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Speaker 11: And he immediately knew the answer and he said, oh,
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Speaker 11: Tatiana wants to sleep with you while he watches. So
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Speaker 11: apparently they were trying to get me to come down
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Speaker 11: there and have sex with Tatiana while Mark watched.
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Speaker 12: For install. The New York Post that Mark and Tatiana
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Speaker 12: Rimley were featured in the twenty seventeen Showtime docuseriies Naked Sanctum,
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Speaker 12: where the pair was seen hanging out with fellow swingers.
28:29
Speaker 12: When appearing on the Showtime series Naked Sanctum, where members
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Speaker 12: of an elite sex club share partners. Mark Rimley went
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Speaker 12: under the pseudonym Vladimir and identified himself as an entrepreneur.
28:40
Speaker 12: Remley using the name Vladimir shocked many people close to
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Speaker 12: the couple. Tatiana has a brother named Vladimir, the same
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Speaker 12: brother she accused of sexually assaulting her when she was
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Speaker 12: a child.
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Speaker 1: You know, Kathleen Murphy, trial lawyer joining me out of
28:56
Speaker 1: North Carolina. When you start a prosecution, you have to
29:00
Speaker 1: go to some very dark places. I've been in every
29:03
Speaker 1: strip club, male and female in town, drug houses, flop houses,
29:09
Speaker 1: houses for everybody is high on something and people are
29:13
Speaker 1: over in the corner chasing the dragon.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you name it, been there. Some of it.
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Speaker 4: I wish I couldn't remember.
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Speaker 2: Some of it.
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Speaker 4: I've tried to forget a lot of it. I've tried
29:23
Speaker 4: to forget. But I'm trying to get.
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Speaker 1: In my head wrapped around what I just heard from
29:28
Speaker 1: NewsNation and crimeonline dot Com. Did I hear Jen Smith
29:35
Speaker 1: that they wanted their friend Eric Martanovich to come down
29:39
Speaker 1: and have sex with the wife while the husband watched.
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Speaker 4: Did I hear that that's what you heard? You don't
29:45
Speaker 4: seem like you're worried about it at all.
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Speaker 9: Girl?
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Speaker 1: Did I also hear they were on Naked snc TM.
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Speaker 1: I guess that's for Sanctum on Showtime Naked Sanctum.
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Speaker 6: That's right. They appeared very well on this pretty CD
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Speaker 6: show that followed the life of wealthy swingers that attended
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Speaker 6: these kind of what are meant to be exclusive sex parties.
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Speaker 6: Tatiana in this episode at least sporting dark hair. She's
30:14
Speaker 6: sitting at a table, she's being caressed by woman, and
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Speaker 6: Mark as watching with a kind of excited look in
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Speaker 6: his eye. They then give this on camera interview where
30:25
Speaker 6: he refers to himself as Vladimir. Now, as you heard,
30:29
Speaker 6: they're in the clipper's place. That's a very sick reference
30:33
Speaker 6: given we've heard a prior allegation against a brother of
30:37
Speaker 6: Tatiana's called Vladimir, who is said to have sexually abused
30:42
Speaker 6: her when she was a child.
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Speaker 1: So she claims her brother sex abused her as a child.
30:48
Speaker 1: And then when they're play acting at what was it
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Speaker 1: called Naked Sanctum.
30:53
Speaker 6: Naked Santom, he takes the.
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Speaker 1: Moniker Vladimir, knowing full well that she claims her brother
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Speaker 1: sex abused her.
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Speaker 4: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's justice California style, a little over
31:22
Speaker 1: three years for planning to have your husband assassinated showing
31:26
Speaker 1: up with guns and money. This woman, Tatiana Rimley, a
31:31
Speaker 1: mother of two, had finished school in fourth grade. Somehow
31:37
Speaker 1: managed to snag multiple wealthy men with a series of
31:42
Speaker 1: so called failed engagements. Well, that's certainly putting perfume on
31:48
Speaker 1: the pig. I guess after she sucked a few of
31:50
Speaker 1: them dry, they would dumper and she'd move on to
31:52
Speaker 1: their best friend. She was fighting for custody of the
31:56
Speaker 1: sun she shared with a multi millionaire biotech tycoon, be
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Speaker 1: Kenneth Woolcott. They separated in two thousand and four after
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Speaker 1: just eleven months of marriage, one man after the next.
32:10
Speaker 1: At least they lived right, at least she didn't. Oh
32:14
Speaker 1: my goodness, I'm looking at more for promotional posters. It's
32:18
Speaker 1: her between two horses looking. I guess some people would
32:22
Speaker 1: call it sexy. Okay, anyway, I wonder how sexy she's
32:27
Speaker 1: gonna look after three years behind bars. But knowing this woman,
32:29
Speaker 1: she'll probably get out early. I'm not sure how prosecutors
32:35
Speaker 1: could turn a blind eye to how this whole thing unfolded.
32:40
Speaker 1: But I know this. I know that on July fifth,
32:43
Speaker 1: she was arrested with three firearms and money as her
32:47
Speaker 1: home burned to the ground. You think that was an accident,
32:52
Speaker 1: hgl noo, But of course she has not been charged
32:56
Speaker 1: with arson is presumed innocent. Later, she files for divorce again,
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Speaker 1: requesting fifty thousand dollars a month in spousal support. Hey, lady,
33:09
Speaker 1: just go get a job like the rest of us. Okay,
33:12
Speaker 1: let's get off her work ethic or light thereof, and
33:15
Speaker 1: back on the facts of the would be murder plot.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is Brad Watts, licensed Professional Counselor
33:22
Speaker 1: and certified sex offender treatment provider who specializes in sibling
33:28
Speaker 1: sex abuse sibling sex abuse. This is book Sibling sex Abuse,
33:32
Speaker 1: America's Silent epidemic. Brad Watts, LPC, Licensed Professional Counselor dot
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Speaker 4: This woman lies so much.
33:43
Speaker 1: I don't know whether to believe her that she had
33:46
Speaker 1: a brother named Vladimir that molested her.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, Nancy, Yeah, it's not to believe anything that she says.
33:53
Speaker 13: But my experience is that for a survivor of sibling
33:57
Speaker 13: sexual abuse, for her husband to going to the Moniker's
34:01
Speaker 13: Vladimir the name of the brother who sexually abused her,
34:05
Speaker 13: That would be highly triggering. I mean, that would be
34:08
Speaker 13: like I think about the show on the set, her
34:10
Speaker 13: being finding that out, becoming incredibly upset, not able to
34:15
Speaker 13: move forward with it. And so there's just a lot here. Obviously,
34:19
Speaker 13: you know, I don't know. You know, perhaps she was
34:21
Speaker 13: sexually abuse but by Vladimir.
34:23
Speaker 1: But why would she go along with her husband using
34:26
Speaker 1: his name in some crazy sex game for a showtime production.
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Speaker 13: It makes no sense to me, Like I said, in
34:36
Speaker 13: my experience, most survivors would be severely triggered even by
34:41
Speaker 13: hearing the name, you know, particularly with the description that
34:44
Speaker 13: the mother gave about her the sibling sexual abuse being
34:48
Speaker 13: because you know, Vladimir was jealous of her and you know,
34:51
Speaker 13: keeping her isolated for ten years and all these other things.
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Speaker 4: But the brother kept isolated. What about her parents?
34:57
Speaker 1: And we found out about this and one of their
35:01
Speaker 1: divorced dramas where it came out. It was in her
35:04
Speaker 1: mother's testimony back in two thousand and six.
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Speaker 4: So did the parents know? Were they unaware?
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Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe her brother kept her
35:13
Speaker 1: isolated for ten years without the parents say so, I
35:17
Speaker 1: just have a lot of issues with that, and then
35:19
Speaker 1: going along with her husband using her sex abuser's name
35:25
Speaker 1: in this charade. You know, doctor Angie Arnold, We've discussed
35:29
Speaker 1: many times. When someone even says the name Keith, it's
35:34
Speaker 1: like somebody poured cold water on me out of the blue,
35:37
Speaker 1: the name of my fiance that was murdered, or if
35:40
Speaker 1: someone just asked me about it, good well intentioned it
35:44
Speaker 1: just you know, I can be having a perfectly fine
35:47
Speaker 1: day and they bring that up, and then I have
35:48
Speaker 1: to remember everything. So I'm very surprised that she would
35:54
Speaker 1: go along with him using the name Vladimir if in
35:57
Speaker 1: fact she was molested by brother Vladimir for so long.
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Speaker 7: I know that that seems surprising to a lot of people.
36:04
Speaker 7: But I know that you're not going to like what
36:08
Speaker 7: I have to say about this. But how do we
36:11
Speaker 7: know that this woman wasn't somehow being abused by this husband.
36:16
Speaker 7: I know that it all looks very flashy on the outside,
36:19
Speaker 7: butt Nancy. There are not a lot of people who
36:24
Speaker 7: want to have sex with other people while their husband watches,
36:28
Speaker 7: but the husband makes them do it, they're punished if
36:32
Speaker 7: they don't do it, they're punished in all kinds of ways.
36:36
Speaker 7: And so we don't know what kind of punishment she
36:39
Speaker 7: was suffering from him, So that it looks strange to
36:43
Speaker 7: us that she didn't have a reaction that one of
36:45
Speaker 7: us would have to this. But she's got a story
36:48
Speaker 7: in a background that's very different than any of us.
36:50
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what you're right about that.
36:53
Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 11: She had a character that she played all the time,
36:58
Speaker 11: and it was this Russian barbie princess equestrian. And I
37:02
Speaker 11: don't think any of it was true. It was all
37:04
Speaker 11: something she made up. I'm pretty sure her real name
37:06
Speaker 11: is Tanya. I don't think it's actually Tatiana. It's all
37:08
Speaker 11: this persona that she's made up. And maybe it's a
37:11
Speaker 11: you know, came from the childhood trauma and she needed
37:15
Speaker 11: a character that she could become that wasn't tortured. I
37:18
Speaker 11: don't know, but there's none of it's real. It's all
37:21
Speaker 11: her character that she plays.
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Speaker 1: From our friends at News Nation now, listen to crime
37:25
Speaker 1: online dot Com.
37:27
Speaker 12: Former friends who have known Tatiana Rimley say she said
37:30
Speaker 12: she was Russian and had a background in dressage, a
37:33
Speaker 12: highly specialized form of horse riding and equidisplay. However, a
37:37
Speaker 12: former business partner, Eric Martanovich, says Remley made up the
37:41
Speaker 12: backstory of her life and that her real name is Tanya.
37:44
Speaker 12: The Daily Mail reports that Rimley was born in Arizona,
37:47
Speaker 12: raised in Bend, Oregon. Her last name is Clark. She's
37:51
Speaker 12: not Russian. While working at a San Diego animal park
37:54
Speaker 12: and doing some modeling, Tatiana Rimley began a relationship with
37:57
Speaker 12: Ken Wilcott. Wilcott is a former Southern California attorney and
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Speaker 12: biotech tycoon who was part owner of the NBA Seattle SuperSonics.
38:06
Speaker 12: Taitiana was twenty three years old and six months pregnant
38:09
Speaker 12: with their son, Spencer, when she and forty three year
38:12
Speaker 12: old Woolcott got married. The marriage only lasted eleven months,
38:15
Speaker 12: but the battle for money would rage on for years,
38:18
Speaker 12: even though a prenuptial agreement was signed by Tatiana Rimley.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so everything she's told us about her background, her name,
38:29
Speaker 1: where she's from.
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Speaker 4: Was raised in ben To, Oregon, not Russia. Her name
38:34
Speaker 4: is Tanya, not Tatiana.
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Speaker 1: I assume she was an experty question because she was
38:39
Speaker 1: seen riding by many to Richard Brandon, the president of
38:44
Speaker 1: the Equine Expert.
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Speaker 4: Isn't it dressage?
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Speaker 1: Is that the name for that very complicated type of
38:52
Speaker 1: horse competition?
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Speaker 2: A yes, pressage. It basically means training on horseback. It's
38:58
Speaker 2: a bit like ballet on a push.
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Speaker 1: Back and the horse actually learns like stepping backwards into
39:04
Speaker 1: the side and very very complicated moves. What more do
39:10
Speaker 1: we know about Tatiana aka Tanya from Bend, Oregon. Take
39:16
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut seven from crime Online.
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Speaker 12: While Tatiana Rimley was fighting her ex husband in court,
39:23
Speaker 12: her former friends tell The New York Post that Rimley
39:26
Speaker 12: was the life of the party and was targeting rich
39:29
Speaker 12: men who could mangrol her lifestyle. Mark Grimley did just
39:33
Speaker 12: that after they met at a local Starbucks and married
39:36
Speaker 12: in March of twenty eleven. Pals of the couple told
39:39
Speaker 12: the Post the two shared a passion for money, riding horses, drugs,
39:44
Speaker 12: and participating in orgies.
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Speaker 1: Okay, a passion for money, riding horses, drugs and orgies,
39:51
Speaker 1: Is that right, Tim Smith?
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Speaker 13: That's right.
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Speaker 6: A pretty unique stet of interest there. But you know,
39:58
Speaker 6: we definitely seems as though this was a mutually complicit
40:03
Speaker 6: arrangement Tatiana we know or Tanya. She also enjoyed having
40:08
Speaker 6: secs with other people, whether or not her husband was there.
40:11
Speaker 6: Sometimes he was, sometimes he wasn't We know that they
40:14
Speaker 6: both were buried. They had a you know, open and
40:17
Speaker 6: fluid marriage to say the least. There were drugs, there
40:22
Speaker 6: were orgies. There were some occasions where he brought home
40:26
Speaker 6: apparently entire strip clubs full of people back to their house.
40:31
Speaker 6: And they did have many children between them. They might
40:34
Speaker 6: not have had any kids together, but they were responsible
40:37
Speaker 6: for at least five or six children. And they and
40:39
Speaker 6: they were living this really X rated and at times,
40:45
Speaker 6: you know, darknight CD lifestyle.
40:48
Speaker 4: You know what, I'm not the church lady.
40:50
Speaker 1: I don't care who they sleep with or if they
40:53
Speaker 1: have orgies or don't have orgies, or have an open
40:55
Speaker 1: marriage or don't have an open marriage.
40:57
Speaker 4: But what it is.
40:58
Speaker 1: Telling me to write and Draek formerly of the FBI,
41:03
Speaker 1: is that there is a lot of motive for murder.
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Speaker 1: The first husband wasn't the first husband Jasmith super rich
41:09
Speaker 1: as well?
41:10
Speaker 4: Like rolling in money.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he was super rich. He had the foresight to
41:16
Speaker 6: protect himself with what is described as an ironclad prenup,
41:20
Speaker 6: it didn't stop her from being able to gleet him
41:23
Speaker 6: from some money, and the way that she accomplished it
41:26
Speaker 6: was by demanding very large child support payments for the
41:31
Speaker 6: sun that they shared.
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Speaker 1: So Robin Drake behavior expert, all of this talk about
41:36
Speaker 1: orgies and open marriages and a showtime special and money
41:42
Speaker 1: just money, hemorrhaging money for me, in my world, it's
41:48
Speaker 1: all evidence. Do I have motive for murder? And there
41:52
Speaker 1: is no way as it stands right now that I
41:55
Speaker 1: do not believe the undercover agent with whom she, according
42:00
Speaker 1: to him, contracted to kill her husband.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, this is a great example of people living beyond
42:08
Speaker 8: their intellect and she is definitely do it. Combine that
42:11
Speaker 8: with total addiction of dopamine hits from every single aspect
42:15
Speaker 8: of life because they aren't struggling except to get more
42:18
Speaker 8: money and learn behavior of how to acquire resources in
42:22
Speaker 8: their lives unhealthy. Yeah, you're right, it's following that life
42:25
Speaker 8: arc of complete chaos. And I'd be really interested to
42:29
Speaker 8: see what her plan was that she gave the cop
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Speaker 8: of the detailed plan, because I have a hard time
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Speaker 8: imagining she can give a detailed plan for anything. So
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Speaker 8: it's fascinating.
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Speaker 1: You know, and as is not according to reports her
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Speaker 1: first time at the rodeo. Take a listen to hour
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Speaker 1: cut five from Crime Online.
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Speaker 12: At one court hearing concerning financials, Wolcott's attorney said he
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Speaker 12: was concerned about how Rimley was spending the two thousand
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Speaker 12: dollars a month he was giving her. Will Cod found
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Speaker 12: out that during the marriage, Remley would go to cost Go,
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Speaker 12: Nordstrum and other stores, make purchases using credit cards, and
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Speaker 12: then would turn right around and take the items back
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Speaker 12: for a cash rEFInd. After they were separated, Wolcott discovered
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Speaker 12: Rimley used this method just stockpile money.
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Speaker 4: Wow, and that's all the way back in the Woolcott marriage.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if I would call this justice,
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Speaker 1: But to all those ex boyfriends, ex fiancees and ex husbands,
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Speaker 1: when this woman walks out of jail in about two
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Speaker 1: and a half years, hide, hide, be afraid, be very afraid.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,