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Ravens 41, Colts 23: Reaction with Will & Dave Retherford (The Colts Report, 3.36) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_01]: You are listening to a special edition of the Culture Port with Will and Dave Rutherford.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Their reaction to the cult's season opening 41-23 lost to the Baltimore Ravens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's only on the Central Indiana Sports Report.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome Colts fans to the Central Indiana Sports Report for a special edition of the Colts Report with Will and Dave wrote the further reaction to the Colts Season opening lost to the Ravens at this point.
0:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even sure what the score was.
0:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I quit paying attention guys Not a good opening sign
0:43
[SPEAKER_02]: No Greg, I think the colds were averted back.
0:45
[SPEAKER_02]: The mean we got a little taste to happen this last year against the dolphins week one and reality check came week one this year.
0:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I just can't really put a pulse on why they came out so flat.
0:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It just seemed as after that first drive, all the oxygen had been sucked up in the building especially after the mixed, missed extra point by Spencer Schrader, I thought.
1:07
[SPEAKER_02]: a small moment, but a big deal.
1:10
[SPEAKER_02]: It just kind of made everything, you know, instead of being a touch channel way, now you're a touch on the 2.5 version of the way, and now you're two touch shounds, and a 2.5 version of the way, just fell off, and I don't...
1:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's fair to probably pin that solely on Spencer Schrager, but it sure felt like that the cult lost some wind in their sales after that moment happened and the defense was poultry, the entire game.
1:34
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just really disappointing to see how they performed and came out.
1:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I was concerned overall with how their defense was going to look.
1:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think every question we had regarding this team's defense in terms of defensive line front seven was answered.
1:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I think now we kind of know where the Pults are at.
1:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you want the god on us truth.
1:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's about where you and Dave had him at, you know, hover around the five hundred mark.
2:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see any way this team gets to 11 wins based on how they performed the day.
2:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think bottom line Dave is the Ravens are good and the Colts aren't very good at least right now.
2:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that that definitely ringed true today.
2:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think we'll sum the debt pretty well.
2:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, we just didn't have very many bright spots at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Outside of a pretty good performance from Jonathan Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The rest of the team pretty much just didn't show up today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, they've got a lot to go back to the drilling board now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get, uh, working on and try to get ready for a Sunday night football next week.
2:43
[SPEAKER_01]: and they came out right away and it looked like first drive hey, this season's gonna be easy.
2:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, especially considering the fact that they didn't run the ball, I mean, that drive was solely through the air until the end on the Taylor Touchdown.
2:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just surprised at their inability to get Tyler Warren going, Greg.
3:00
[SPEAKER_02]: After that first drive, and he wasn't even included in that first drive, he did not have a catch, but I don't understand why he's not a fixture hitting the ball to him.
3:09
[SPEAKER_02]: you draft this guy with the 15th, 14th overall pick two years ago, you tailor him in your offense to him last season.
3:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you come out week one and it's like we're afraid to throw the ball at Kyle Hamilton.
3:22
[SPEAKER_02]: He's Tyler Warren.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's is good of a football player and a tight end as they have in this league.
3:28
[SPEAKER_02]: He's open.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if he's not open, find a way to get him open in terms
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was no creativity in terms of getting him the ball and I think that made it more difficult because they were
3:44
[SPEAKER_02]: able to kind of pin their ears back and get after Daniel Jones because he showed that he wasn't really receptive to hitting the check down either when pressure was coming.
3:54
[SPEAKER_02]: It just it was just a very poor offensive performance.
3:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I think all the way around that the first 15 script from Stycken, great.
4:02
[SPEAKER_02]: After that, I think he struggled to adjust the Jesse Menorce defense.
4:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And that to me is concerning because I think that you're going to see a defense with
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[SPEAKER_02]: see this tape and know, hey, we can get to Jones, especially because this chief team was the team to get to him last year and really start to question the legitimacy of Daniel Jones and MVP conversations prior to the injury that he had.
4:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Greg, I don't know.
4:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel very disheartened after watching this cold team perform.
4:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree with what we'll said, although quietly we scored 23 points, you know, not real sure they seem to come from half the time, but we scored 23 points.
4:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not enough to consider yourself winning on on on most Sundays but certainly not going to if your defense is going to get eaten alive by 41 the defense was just a saddest is it can get honestly.
5:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I've gotten the you know the defense of line with.
5:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Did they tackle anybody?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, did they did they even touch Derek Henry?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't get very much pressure either.
5:21
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just it was sad.
5:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got to the point where when they made a good play, it was surprising.
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[SPEAKER_02]: really was and Greg I think it's interesting after our conversation on Friday on the podcast kind of looking at a preview of this game we talked about this revamped middle of the Baltimore Ravens Offensive line and they were a rolling ball of razor blades is how I would describe them because their can rate a big app running was incredible he's obviously so good so powerful I understand it takes an army to bring him down but
5:56
[SPEAKER_02]: These are still professional athletes defensively.
5:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think that the cults linebackers red run key very well and I think they got shallow on a lot of their angles and struggled to bring him down because their canaries are running back.
6:11
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to square up.
6:11
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to be able to play at an angle with him, especially tackling and bet your Davis gay here kind of did that a little bit today and it did lead me to be concerned
6:26
[SPEAKER_02]: because that's fundamental stuff, that those are, you know, building blocks into your roster.
6:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's incredibly disheartening the fact that we didn't see CJ Allen at all.
6:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it goes to show that they don't think he's ready to play at the NFL level.
6:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Quite yet, I expect he's going to get his turns soon.
6:45
[SPEAKER_02]: But the tackling was, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: bad.
6:48
[SPEAKER_02]: And Greg, I thought the corners got really exposed.
6:52
[SPEAKER_02]: This was one of those games that I beg the question was sauce gardener worth what you gave up to give them.
6:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And today he wasn't.
6:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Today, and that first half, especially in that second quarter, say Jones was asking,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Saw Scardner for his lunch money.
7:06
[SPEAKER_02]: He was asking him for his parents 401k.
7:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And at the same time, he robbed his Rolex office wrist.
7:13
[SPEAKER_02]: And just that level of performance is unbecoming to somebody that was hated, awfully large price to get.
7:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand it's week one.
7:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't also think Chavarius Ward played them well, either he was kind of lost and coverage and awful lot, especially on third down.
7:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they targeted him a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if defensively if there was a single highlight that I could point to and say, hey, that was, um, that was a good play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They still had two sacks, felt like they did it.
7:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they made a couple of good play.
7:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not going to remember.
7:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can, you can sit here and say the front force issue, and that's partly why the secondary was so bad.
7:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think at the same time, you could say the secondary wasn't
7:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Great in the defensive line hadn't no chance of ever getting the Lamar there were times they had a bottle up and did not make tackles over pursued the quarterback got to deep in the back field You start hovering into that 12 yard range going for sex.
8:08
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very easy for a little guy like Lamar Jackson to duck slip and get up field.
8:13
[SPEAKER_02]: He did that today and they didn't have an adjustment Greg one thing to I know I'm talking off a lot.
8:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I was very surprised at the lack of spy
8:22
[SPEAKER_02]: that the cult's played on Lamar Jackson.
8:25
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a third and 16 early in the game that they gave up 16 yards because they didn't have anybody's behind him.
8:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, how is that possible?
8:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Dave, this defense of backfield we've been talking about all year being really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who is just not at all?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And leading me to believe this, it's possible this is one of the worst defenses in the NFL.
8:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm not going to quite give up on the secondary dish yet.
8:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm giving up because because there is one of his greatest, he ran us to death.
8:59
[SPEAKER_00]: We had to cheat too often.
9:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that exposed our secondary a little bit more than maybe it will on some days.
9:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we actually joked at one point that it's third and 15, it might as well just be third and one because it was just two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: easy.
9:15
[SPEAKER_00]: They were able to convert those two easily.
9:17
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got to work on finding a way to get more pressure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we just, you know, once we got behind and, you know, we came more desperate, just all the game planning and all that stuff kind of just fell by the wayside, I think.
9:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think the offense was too bad.
9:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that the Raven's defense looked really good and that was a big part of it.
9:43
[SPEAKER_01]: There were a couple are really nice passes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Daniel Jones threw that Hamilton and Humphrey and Starks made some really nice, oh, Wiggins made some really nice plays on.
9:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure that the offense was a problem today.
9:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that in terms of Baltimore's defense being legit, which we talked about the names on Friday and the previews.
10:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, hey, this looks like a defense that's a littered with talent and they showed that.
10:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do think it's that 23 is probably a little deceiving because the cults did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: get a turnover in the high red zone that they ended up capitalizing on which is the name of football.
10:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not arguing that, but you could justify that this could have been a 14 to 16 game pretty easily.
10:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and you feel a lot different about it.
10:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought Jones showed all the weaknesses against pressure that he showed late last year, especially against that chief scheme of spagnola really dialed up the pressure big time in the second half.
10:43
[SPEAKER_02]: he looked lost against pressure.
10:45
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't see the corner routes well.
10:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought there were a few times he missed worn and downs to the sideline, uh, which when he's not pressured, I feel like he typically makes those throws.
10:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And I understand pressure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No quarterback once it, especially A and B get pressure, which is where it was coming from.
11:01
[SPEAKER_02]: But at the certain time in a game, you got to stand in a pocket, make a throw and deliver a clean ball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Jones
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's his first game back from a huge injury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to cut him some slack here.
11:15
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think this is teach tape for defensive coordinators for the rest of the year.
11:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, if we can get pressure up the middle, we're going to get to Daniel Jones really easy.
11:24
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that listeners of this show or anywhere could say will, well, of course, that's every defensive coordinator's goal.
11:31
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just worry with A and B gap blitzes that Jones isn't able to have complete mobility quite yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: it's going to really expose him and I think they're going to struggle moving the ball through the air.
11:42
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to have to rely on getting ahead of the chains second and third down, making them more manageable to wear, you know, the team can't pin their ears back and come chase the quarterback.
11:54
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you compare the two day, if I'm much more concerned about the defense, then I am the offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: without question.
12:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I'm not sure that I really saw anything from the defense today that gives me any hope of positivity.
12:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, on offense, Jonathan Taylor, I think had a had a pretty good day.
12:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Not sure if the offensive line ran block pretty well.
12:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the game playing again will is absolutely right.
12:22
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a point in the third quarter.
12:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I think I've heard Tyler warns named once it was for a penalty.
12:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's just, it's unacceptable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Defense just makes me think, how's this team going to win again?
12:35
[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, I wouldn't be surprised they win next week.
12:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I completely agree, it's kind of the way this goes.
12:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I think week one's always the most difficult because you don't necessarily know how to game playing against an offense at Baltimore, too, that was having a new offensive coordinator and we thought that maybe Declan Doyle calling his first game was going to be a bit of a weakness.
12:55
[SPEAKER_02]: It looked like an awfully good strength for this team and it surprised me because Lamar is the type of quarterback that really feasted through play action.
13:04
[SPEAKER_02]: And they didn't have to resort to play action for him to find receivers open.
13:09
[SPEAKER_02]: He was able to just simply drop back and find guys.
13:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that goes to show the coldstifensive line, how to put poor performance.
13:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Lamar isn't necessarily what I would consider a finesse pass or most of the time.
13:20
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems he's always throwing to wide open receivers.
13:23
[SPEAKER_02]: That's because you get lineback or sucked up on the play fake and you're able to beat them in the intermediate range.
13:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm concerned with how Andy Reed is going to run mesh concepts against the colds, but we'll get that in the next week's preview.
13:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And not a whole lot to highlight today, Greg.
13:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought Rigo Sanchez made his money.
13:50
[SPEAKER_02]: He did make it much early last year.
13:53
[SPEAKER_02]: He made it today.
13:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright guys, let's talk about what else we saw around me in a fell on Sunday and Wednesday and Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and Dave and I will be back later this week for the Culture Report, where we break down week one and look ahead too.
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14:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the Ravens were one of the teams that stood out on Sunday.
14:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the 49ers win over the Rams was something that stood out.
14:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the C-Hawks looked really good despite getting no breaks on Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the Patriots got every break and still got that left to get, which is interesting.
14:42
[SPEAKER_01]: What else stood out to you guys?
14:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think the Bears have to be number one.
14:48
[SPEAKER_02]: It's corn 59 and the F-O-Games for your ridiculous.
14:53
[SPEAKER_02]: That offense might just be better than any in the league early.
14:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, it's always easy to see how teams make adjustments, especially after week one with a Panthers defense.
15:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say it's been a strength in the past, not necessarily been awesome.
15:08
[SPEAKER_02]: The bears went to Carolina and kind of just snatched their souls a little bit.
15:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it does build that the Panthers are going to be a pretty good offense as well, because I think that bears defense,
15:18
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be okay, um, just it was weird.
15:21
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just a weird week one of around the league, because I think it was much more high scoring than I expected, uh, more high scoring when I really KG games the first three weeks or so because your offense is trying to catch up to your defense in ways, but that that's not what we saw anywhere.
15:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I, before going to that, I would say the second game to me that really stood out that was a loss was the Saints going to Detroit and having them on the ropes.
15:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a two point conversion away from winning that game in Ford Field.
15:51
[SPEAKER_02]: What a game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not have that on my bingo card.
15:55
[SPEAKER_02]: It, I think the Saints team was was playing for this year.
15:58
[SPEAKER_02]: And right now, even with the loss, I still think they are my favorite to win that division.
16:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really, I think so, because I think Tyler sucks at damn good quarterback.
16:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's great.
16:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think stuff.
16:14
[SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
16:15
[SPEAKER_02]: He's tough.
16:16
[SPEAKER_02]: And that means something, I think, Chris O'Lave, Greg, what talent.
16:21
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a shame that we had a couple of years where concussions kept him from being on the field.
16:25
[SPEAKER_02]: But my God, the dude's open up, I'll replay.
16:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Travis ETN was a great addition to that backfield, especially with Cameroon down
16:38
[SPEAKER_02]: The Saints who especially didn't even play with Jordan Tyson.
16:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they drafted a top 10 receiver.
16:42
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be on the IR for the first four weeks, and they're still putting 30 points up.
16:46
[SPEAKER_02]: The Vaughan Valle, Jolon Johnson had a touchdown.
16:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, be careful.
16:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they didn't have a point through three quarters.
16:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
16:54
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's fair, but it was still seven nothing.
16:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's not like the lines were off to the races, either.
16:59
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, I think the Saints defense is going to be good.
17:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think they play in a bad division and they might win 10 games.
17:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I really, I think they might be good enough to win 10 games.
17:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Dad, you, you go wherever you want to go now.
17:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think there are just two other games that I guess I would highlight.
17:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to guess that nobody had on there being go card.
17:19
[SPEAKER_00]: The cardinals going into LA as well.
17:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That that was a huge shocker to me today and well done coach for I, by the way, congratulations to coach for and honestly, I mean, I know the Vikings were at home, but I mean, they quarterback gets hurt early and they have to go to their back at quarterback
17:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, who are supposed to potentially be, you know, the best in that division?
17:47
[SPEAKER_00]: So a couple of games there that definitely, you know, who knows, you know, as we get to week 16 and 17 and you look back and say, those are games that, you know, might make end up making a difference in the final standings and who's going to get a playoff spot and who's not the charges losing at home with the cardinals is a big
18:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the Browns are going to suck, but that Jaguar score just getting bigger every time there was an update was interesting to see as well.
18:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, it was 30 sort of nothing through the third quarter.
18:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Lawrence did he play the fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't, I mean, how many points could the Jags of score?
18:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really know the answer to that question.
18:31
[SPEAKER_02]: But Parker Washington is going to be an absolute stud for this team.
18:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I come with you.
18:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to see more next week.
18:41
[SPEAKER_02]: They go to Denver.
18:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's going to probably be more of a lit mistest for this Jaguar team than the Browns of Helm.
18:46
[SPEAKER_02]: But at the end of the day, Browns still in a felt team that suited up.
18:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And they kind of dog walked them for the better part of that game.
18:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Lawrence looked really comfortable.
18:55
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't feel like that it's always when you watch Trevor Lawrence and I think before,
19:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Today you always are just wins the turnover come and wins the stupid play like every time he rips the ball loose.
19:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, he's going to throw it into three defenders and hope it works out.
19:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't feel like that watching him today.
19:12
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt like poise and was delivering the ball with confidence.
19:18
[SPEAKER_02]: If he plays like that, this jack's team has probably a 12 to 13 wins ceiling.
19:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say.
19:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think maybe the jets might be better than we think.
19:35
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I think about that.
19:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the jets might be better than people think.
19:40
[SPEAKER_01]: They got a lot of veterans.
19:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they got good coaching.
19:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll reserve my judgment on the Titans, but I know the best two teams are in that division.
19:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Houston looked great.
19:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they did.
19:53
[SPEAKER_02]: They did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Jacksonville, I would not sure exactly what to expect.
20:01
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no doubt in my mind, those are the best two teams in division.
20:04
[SPEAKER_01]: If the cold could slip into the playoffs, it's probably with those two teams already in it too.
20:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we talked about that, I thought they would have to, it would have to be a three team from the South getting in before with the season started in a preview.
20:18
[SPEAKER_02]: there's no doubt that Houston is I was kind of surprised help the score back game and well I kind of expected it to be lowering especially with that Texan's defense it was so good last year but Josh Allen's just another beast so I it's one of those where it's like what's your chances and I know people say that's creating Josh Allen he is he's the best quarterback I've ever seen.
20:41
[SPEAKER_02]: in my life will not be that one of the best ever do he's something that I think given a Tom Brady a paid manning work and it's just a freak athlete out there he can make every throw that those two could make and you can also run for 120 yards run through your middle linebacker entertainer there's no question about that
21:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's not something those guys had that he didn't.
21:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So we will let that's true conversation for another day, but he's got some goofball on him.
21:10
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no question about it, but there's given take anywhere.
21:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm a built Lions to start week two.
21:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a great game.
21:19
[SPEAKER_02]: That's such a good game.
21:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious as to your thoughts with the Bengals bucks, too, because
21:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I expected the Bengals to be better.
21:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't expect him to put 33 up on the box.
21:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that there was a trade of defensive touchdowns and those games between those two teams.
21:35
[SPEAKER_02]: How about Burrell looked pretty good?
21:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Baker looked.
21:41
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what the Bingo's to fall apart.
21:42
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I think.
21:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, yeah.
21:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think there'll be no faith that the Bingo's make the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're a, they're a burrow injury away, away from probably teetering on the verge of disaster.
21:54
[SPEAKER_01]: They're different still isn't very good.
21:56
[SPEAKER_01]: They're offensive lines still isn't very good.
21:58
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Their defense is better, but we saw today the holes that they have.
22:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been looking forward to spending the week looking at all the film of all the games because, of course, I always focus mostly on the cults.
22:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But from what I saw, it was an interesting day.
22:17
[SPEAKER_01]: That was anything with the charges and cardinals that when something I definitely didn't expect.
22:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the other one, I kind of expected the Eagles to be a dominant team and they didn't
22:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, but that's just how they are.
22:35
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always just that you're heard.
22:38
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like they're always, it seems like everybody says those best team and league and they're in a close game every week.
22:44
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always a one score game in the fourth quarter and it's their outfits is just not built on efficiency in the past game.
22:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm aware of that, especially,
22:54
[SPEAKER_02]: with her to your quarterback, because I don't think he's great throwing over the middle.
22:58
[SPEAKER_02]: He's much more of outside the numbers type thorough, which is fine, because you've got to run games, say, Juan Barclin, offensive line that can make that achievable.
23:06
[SPEAKER_02]: But there is definitely a question of as Jalen hurts, holding this Eagles team back from being really good.
23:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Because there was a moment in that third and fourth court, really like, are the Eagles going to get it first down?
23:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I mean, like, I mean, this is a team that is perennial contenders and this revamped commanders often defense, excuse me, is given a fits like this.
23:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't surprise me, but it's week one.
23:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you got to view everything through a rose-colored lens a little bit and, you know, just understand that next week's probably the week you've learned more about a team than right now.
23:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, at the time of that we're recording this, we obviously still got two games to go, and I think they're probably gonna be too pretty good ones.
23:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So, who you've got Cowboy's Giants, Broncos cheese.
23:59
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you thinking?
24:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, you're putting me on this spot.
24:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Give me the, I'll be in third place.
24:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, I can see this going either way.
24:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see the Giants being good.
24:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Give me the Giants and the Broncos.
24:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I'm going to say Cowboys Broncos, I can't so excited watch going to explain.
24:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I am he's so fun.
24:29
[SPEAKER_02]: He's so fun to watch.
24:31
[SPEAKER_02]: He just.
24:33
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got to play the player on that team, right?
24:37
[SPEAKER_02]: He run that.
24:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, Greg, you're dialed your own opinion, but I've watched the guy play in the number suggests that he's a stud.
24:44
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think we just everybody needs
24:47
[SPEAKER_01]: It may number suggest he's good enough on the rest of that team.
24:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd throw that team around him.
24:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
24:53
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the number suggest.
24:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there were some stats last track hold up that was like, hey, it's Bonyx and Josh Allen or the only two people ever do have this stat line.
25:01
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm comfortable saying that I think he's really fun and entertaining to watch.
25:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's a good football player and he said in his interview, maybe after this ankle injury that he's even better than he was.
25:14
[SPEAKER_02]: That excites me.
25:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
25:17
[SPEAKER_02]: and I need him to win for my fancy football team.
25:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I like those Oregon bets, don't you?
25:24
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm a big bonus guy.
25:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he got Hose at Auburns.
25:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Auburn is a joke of a SEC program for the better part of my lifetime outside of Cam Newton, and he got Hose today, and he went to Oregon,
25:40
[SPEAKER_02]: was really good and he's constantly overlooked got made fun of because of his age and he's bald.
25:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if he was, if he got anywhere near the Caleb William type, he would say, oh shit, that one of football players.
25:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, seriously, I mean, everybody knows where they're near the talent that.
25:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, really, because they've played the same amount of time and Botanix has been exponentially better, both seasons they've played than Caleb Williams has.
26:03
[SPEAKER_02]: So I do find that funny.
26:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he also took Josh Allen on the road.
26:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Spank him and beat him and making that comparison.
26:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Beat him in the AFC divisional rounds.
26:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I remember the worst came in the league.
26:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Botanix came into one of the best.
26:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Sean Payton, Bonax, came into the team that had the largest dead cap hit in NFL history and made the playoffs and their first one, the best division on football year two and are looking to win it again year three so I mean we can I I'd loved to debate this I know we're going to keep this short to 10 minutes correct, but I just I think you're not not respecting what they've done in the in the time they've been given to do it.
26:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just telling you that I've got it at, uh, he's better than I ever expected him to be.
26:50
[SPEAKER_01]: How about that?
26:51
[SPEAKER_01]: But, and I'll give you this.
26:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He is a competent NFL quarterback.
26:56
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a franchise and you have bone next, you're solid, you're set.
27:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you that, too.
27:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
27:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know if he's the kind of quarterback he's going to take you to the next level.
27:08
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think, Dave?
27:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm just glad I brought it up and let you guys argue it's I enjoyed every second of that Well find out.
27:20
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the great thing about it, isn't it?
27:22
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll find out.
27:23
[SPEAKER_02]: That's stuff that's the I've said it with Paul Tipton and baseball.
27:26
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a beauty about sports as we're going to know we will now Find out When he goes 300 three touchdowns, I'm going to be the world's biggest apple on the next show we do
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.
27:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody tuned in for the Culture Port.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Later this link to here will be an athlete.
27:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Or not, or me, but no, I'm not convinced that he's not good enough to win a win at all because I think the Broncos is really good.
27:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm more impressed with Botanix and I ever thought I would be.
28:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think he's nearly.
28:03
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the guy I'm tuned in to watch when I tuned in to the Broncos.
28:09
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fair.
28:09
[SPEAKER_01]: We got Hall of Famers on that team.
28:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Mike might be a quarterback.
28:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, brother.
28:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, brother.
28:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, guys.
28:24
[SPEAKER_00]: This is fun.
28:25
[SPEAKER_00]: This was fun.
28:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully a cold win next week will make it even better.
28:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much to Will and Dave.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for listening.
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