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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 1-30-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: yam right abound twelve ten ish. It sounds like on
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  Speaker 2: the show today, So a fun one, nice one lined
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  Speaker 2: up for you, and we might be breaking some rules here.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that I've ever started a show talking
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  Speaker 2: about ski I don't know that I've ever come on
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  Speaker 2: the air and said, hey, this is what we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: talk about, and it's alpine skiing. Now. Adrian Denny has
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  Speaker 2: already volunteered to be our Nordic expert for the upcoming Olympics.
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  Speaker 2: James Peterson, what what sport are you gonna claim to
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  Speaker 2: be the insider the Sean O'Connell show Olympic insider on I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Gonna have to take curling before someone else does such
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  Speaker 3: a right one. I'm gonna have to take it. When
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  Speaker 3: you offered it, you are You told Adrian, hey, here's
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  Speaker 3: what we do, and you the first thing you mentioned
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  Speaker 3: was curling. You was thrown out examples like you on
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  Speaker 3: curling expert. I was like, oh man, he's gonna take curling.
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  Speaker 3: I thought he might take curling. Is the number one
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  Speaker 3: draft pick of this right went on ice sport? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, he's already but he's a
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  Speaker 3: big skier. He's already out there in hockey and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, Adrian Denny says he'll take the Nordic skiing events.
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  Speaker 2: We you know who we need to have.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of skiing, we need to get Andy Phillips on
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  Speaker 3: the show both. I guess what two three weeks of
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  Speaker 3: Olympic action every week that we have a show, and
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  Speaker 3: just you're you're are whatever skiing expert you want to be,
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  Speaker 3: because he's the actual competitive he's actually a really good idea.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna reach out to it. He's probably listening.
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  Speaker 3: He's probably texted, yeah, I'll do it.
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  Speaker 2: Should we get uh see, reach out to he who
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  Speaker 2: shall not be named? See if he wants to be
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  Speaker 2: our downhill skiing expert, how about he and Andy together? Hey,
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  Speaker 2: can you be in studio by the way, Michigan head
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  Speaker 2: football coach and downhill skiing expert for the Sean O'Connell
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  Speaker 2: show only for these Winter Olympics.
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  Speaker 3: Any chance he could be in studio would be so
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  Speaker 3: that former Utah football coach be so good. That's how
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  Speaker 3: we'll address him too. Hey, former Utah football coach, any
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  Speaker 3: chance you can.
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  Speaker 2: We've really painted ourselves into a corner here by saying
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  Speaker 2: we're not gonna say his name anymore, because it's now
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  Speaker 2: the bit, which I thought was funny for like three days,
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  Speaker 2: now it's gotten to a point where it's just obnoxious
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  Speaker 2: even for me.
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  Speaker 3: When do we you get people like spent suit needling
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  Speaker 3: you in like in a way like do you hate
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  Speaker 3: you shall be you shall not be named? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there's there's new listeners every day, every everyone ever that
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  Speaker 3: are like, hold on, why hate the former Utah football coach?
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  Speaker 2: Why don't they want to say his name? In any case,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to start the show today talking about skiing
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  Speaker 2: because one of the great American skiers in history, Lindsay Vaughn,
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  Speaker 2: hurt herself in the last race pre Olympics.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, and this is after she made She's made
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  Speaker 3: such an incredible comeback.
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  Speaker 2: She's forty one years of age and it's just been dominating. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and is back in championship form and apparently in Switzerland
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  Speaker 2: in the last like tune up race, which there's a
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  Speaker 2: there's a place in Switzerland called like something Montana. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know that. Do you learn something new every day?
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  Speaker 2: But Lind's Yvonne went, you know, crashed went into the
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  Speaker 2: safety netting and they ended up airlifting her off the
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  Speaker 2: mountain for medical checks. Now, I it's non emergency airlift.
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  Speaker 2: I've never airlifts. Always sounds like an emergency, it always does.
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  Speaker 2: But but she got up. She skied the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the way down the mountain. Okay, she had to stop
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  Speaker 2: a couple of times. She was poking and prodding at
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  Speaker 2: her own left knee. Right. This is one of America's
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  Speaker 2: great Olympic stories, potentially for this upcoming Olympic cycle, and
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  Speaker 2: unfortunately is going to go in at least somewhat hampered.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like if she can compete at all, gonna reevaluate,
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  Speaker 2: going to talk with the doctors and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously I'm not gonna spend the next twenty minutes
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  Speaker 2: talking about downhill skiing and pretending I know the ins
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  Speaker 2: and outs and the intricacies of it. But it begs
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  Speaker 2: the question for me, the most unf fortunate or timely,
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  Speaker 2: timely stor the unfortunately timed injury that you can remember
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  Speaker 2: in sports eight seven seven three five three zero seven
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  Speaker 2: hundred the injury. And I know that we're gonna get
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  Speaker 2: an answer, a common answer from a lot of Utah
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  Speaker 2: football fans especially, But man, this is one that in
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  Speaker 2: a race where there were poor visual conditions, they canceled
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  Speaker 2: the race. After she went down. They said never mind
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  Speaker 2: because I think it was three of the first four
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  Speaker 2: to go on the course ended up crashing like you
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  Speaker 2: can't see. We all know what it was. It was.
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  Speaker 3: If Lindsey Vaughan can't do this one, then no one
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  Speaker 3: else should be able to try. Kral Montana is how
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  Speaker 3: you say it, but from Montana it's it's French. It's
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  Speaker 3: apparently in the French municipality of Switzerland. I had to
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  Speaker 3: look it up too, curious because I like, how how
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  Speaker 3: do they pronounce Montana in Switzerland. Apparently they've pronounced it.
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  Speaker 3: They pronounced it the French way. They've pronounced it like
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  Speaker 3: Tony Montana.
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  Speaker 2: In any case, she was able to get to a
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  Speaker 2: feat ski down the rest of the course. And injuries
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  Speaker 2: are the worst thing in sports, The possibility of injury
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  Speaker 2: in a four year sports cycle where you're as an Olympian,
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  Speaker 2: Let's be honest, ninety five percent of the events and
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  Speaker 2: the athletes and the anything Olympic related we only care
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  Speaker 2: about for three weeks every four years.
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  Speaker 3: Speak for yourself. I follow competitive curling year round, of
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  Speaker 3: course as our expert and insider. Of course you do.
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  Speaker 2: It's already difficult enough in sport to be beholden to
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  Speaker 2: the health of your own body, right. I've talked about
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  Speaker 2: this with the nature of combat sports and with MMA,
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  Speaker 2: where you compete you know, maybe two or three times
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  Speaker 2: a year if you're lucky, how much injury can derail
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  Speaker 2: the career in a situation like that. Maybe the casual
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  Speaker 2: fan out there doesn't know this right now, but there's
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  Speaker 2: a guy fighting in the UFC. He's their UFC heavyweight champion.
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  Speaker 2: His name is Tom Aspinall. He's this British kid who
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  Speaker 2: a lot of folks think had the potential to be
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  Speaker 2: the greatest heavyweight ever. Still young, unreal fast, unreal, big, crazy, explosive.
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  Speaker 2: He's a guy and I've saved this all the time
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  Speaker 2: with foreign born athletes. If he was to put it
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  Speaker 2: in perspective, if he was born in the United States,
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  Speaker 2: he would be an outside linebacker for an NFL team. Undoubtedly.
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  Speaker 2: He just has that twitch to him, right, and he's
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  Speaker 2: a big, big boy. Well, in his last fight, he
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  Speaker 2: got I poked in a way that like it's hard
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  Speaker 2: to watch. I don't mind watching the gruesome sports injury,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the hyper slow motion on Twitter, over and
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  Speaker 2: over and again of the guy's legs snapping, or the
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  Speaker 2: ankle twisting all the way around, or the knee hyper
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  Speaker 2: extending to look like a chicken leg. I'll watch those
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  Speaker 2: like with morbid curiosity, and ultimately I'm not squeamish enough
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  Speaker 2: that it really truly turns my stomach. This guy got
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  Speaker 2: eye poked in a way like his head was a
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  Speaker 2: bowling ball and his opponent's fingers were just like going
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  Speaker 2: into the sockets. He was awful, right, really really severe.
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  Speaker 2: I poke. And this guy, Tom Aspinall now might not
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  Speaker 2: compete again. Like he doesn't. He's got kids, he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily want to risk his vision. His vision is not
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  Speaker 2: back to normal after months and months of treatments and
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  Speaker 2: things like that. And so that's just obviously one obscure,
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  Speaker 2: strange example of how injuries can take so much away
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  Speaker 2: from athletes in certain sports and in the Olympic cycle,
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  Speaker 2: in a Lindsay Vaughn situation, and we've seen plenty of
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  Speaker 2: this over and over and over again some Olympics Winter Olympics,
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  Speaker 2: especially for someone like her, at I don't want to.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to put my own physical limitations onto
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  Speaker 2: anyone else. But she, at forty one years of age,
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  Speaker 2: is back in form, in world championship form, and is
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  Speaker 2: not going to be there at forty five. If we're
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  Speaker 2: being honest, if we're being realistic with ourselves, this was
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  Speaker 2: I think always planned to be the one last Olympic
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  Speaker 2: ride for Lindsay vonn.
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  Speaker 3: It had been years away from the sport because of
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  Speaker 3: the injury toll, and she had officially retired. So this
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  Speaker 3: absolutely feels like this return felt impossible. Not being able
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  Speaker 3: trying to return in four years after having to rehab
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  Speaker 3: yet another big time, another huge injury, it seems like
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  Speaker 3: absolutely impossible. So yeah, I would not expect her to
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  Speaker 3: ski in the Olympics again. By the way, that uh
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  Speaker 3: Tom Aspernall is Asperall Aspinall.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I got I almost got it. You almost got it.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine.
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  Speaker 3: That injury and how you described him took me to
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  Speaker 3: my Red Sox fandom. Tony Kicklio Okay, the guy he
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  Speaker 3: got hit in the face, Oh yeah with the fastball,
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  Speaker 3: and he was gonna be like the next big thing
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  Speaker 3: for the Red Sox was off to an incredible start
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  Speaker 3: his rookie year that the famous among Red Sox and
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  Speaker 3: baseball fans anyway, in nineteen sixty seven season, or they
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  Speaker 3: almost beat the Cardinals in the World Series, right, he
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  Speaker 3: was part of that team. I'm like, holy cow, eye
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  Speaker 3: injury derailing a young next great star phenom of a
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  Speaker 3: of a sports league. It's like it's like the same
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  Speaker 3: thing happening again. But obviously a lot sounds like a
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  Speaker 3: lot more gruesome aspenall got me queasy just listening to that,
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  Speaker 3: my gosh, I mean, just nasty.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And we've seen, like you'll see catastrophic injury where
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  Speaker 2: a bone breaks clean and maybe pokes through the skin
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, and you're just like, oh woo, yuck. But
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, a lot of times
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  Speaker 2: those things you can recover from that. When we're talking
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  Speaker 2: soft tissue injuries, when we're talking about a knee things
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  Speaker 2: like that, when we're talking about being forty one years
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  Speaker 2: of age, that everything changes with all of this stuff, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, And the text coming in this is poor
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  Speaker 2: timing on an injury. The obvious one, Cam Rising destroying
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  Speaker 2: his finger on a table three games into the season.
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  Speaker 2: That one could not have been more annoying and more obnoxious,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll go down forever in Utah lore. And it's
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  Speaker 2: one of those things that I will never as a
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  Speaker 2: sports fan if I wasn't a Utah alum and someone
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  Speaker 2: doing radio on the Utah Sports station. It's something I
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  Speaker 2: will I will never get over, if I'm being honest,
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  Speaker 2: because we have we made so many different judgments based
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  Speaker 2: on that whole scenario, and that changed the trajectory of
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  Speaker 2: the program in a way that has led us to
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  Speaker 2: a spot now where I think we're gonna come out
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  Speaker 2: in a good place, but there is going to be
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  Speaker 2: a bumpy road here. And it complicates the legacy of
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  Speaker 2: Cam Rising, it complicates the legacy of the new Michigan
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  Speaker 2: head football coach. Thankfully. I don't think it really affects
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  Speaker 2: Morgan Scaley. Yeah see, there you go. But it's one
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  Speaker 2: of those things where it's just like, well, dang, how
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  Speaker 2: did that happen?
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  Speaker 3: Because it complicates Andy Ludwig's legacy too, by.
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  Speaker 2: The way, well maybe even more than anyone's, because he
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  Speaker 2: ended up being kind of a scapegoat for an offense
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  Speaker 2: that was expected to perform without its best core. And
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people out there like, well,
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  Speaker 2: you got to have depth, you gotta have two. Look
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  Speaker 2: we have two now, Look like that's a prohibitive rarity.
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  Speaker 2: And there's been plenty of cases in which teams with
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we just watched it with the Denver Broncos,
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  Speaker 2: a super untimely injury to their starting quarterback and a
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  Speaker 2: freak fluke insane scenario right before you go to an
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  Speaker 2: ADFC championship game, like two snaps before the end of
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  Speaker 2: a game, that guy ends his season with an injury
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  Speaker 2: that I mean, I guess is completely unavoidable because that's
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  Speaker 2: just the nature of football. But it's like, geez, for real,
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  Speaker 2: the game had already been decided when that injury happened,
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  Speaker 2: which of course was not the case with Cam Rising
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  Speaker 2: and is not the case with a Lindsay Vaughn injury
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. So the timeliness or lack thereof, the unfortunate
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  Speaker 2: timing of these things is just so difficult as a
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  Speaker 2: sports fan to manage. And when you're looking at all
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  Speaker 2: of the other especially in the college sports landscape right now,
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  Speaker 2: how difficult it is to like even know who you
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  Speaker 2: care about on the roster to then have some of
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  Speaker 2: those guys be prone to injury or susceptible to injury.
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  Speaker 2: You're just like, no, don't take this from me too.
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  Speaker 2: You took half the roster and the transfer portal depending
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  Speaker 2: on who you're rooting for, and now we're worried about
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  Speaker 2: this too. It's just and I know that there's no
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  Speaker 2: solution to it. Injury is going to be part of sport.
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  Speaker 2: If you're Lindsey Vaughn at forty one years of age,
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  Speaker 2: thinking you're getting your last tune up race, is there
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  Speaker 2: a thought at all in your mind, like, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: the conditions are pretty bad here, maybe not today. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think you can have that mentality as an elite athlete,
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  Speaker 2: and I in fact, I'm I'm pretty sure you can't
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  Speaker 2: be an elite athlete if you have that mentality of
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  Speaker 2: like excessive caution and precaution. I think that especially in
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  Speaker 2: an extreme sport like downhill skiing, it probably if you're like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna need for the visibility to
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  Speaker 2: be better before I bomb down this run, you probably
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  Speaker 2: just never get to the point where she's at, if
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  Speaker 2: that's even a possibility for you. I'm watching golf right now.
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  Speaker 2: The farmer's insurance open. These guys, if they wanted to,
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  Speaker 2: could be like, eh, I'm not gonna walk out onto
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  Speaker 2: the course right now when there's a bunch of rain enlightening.
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  Speaker 2: You probably can't have that in pro skiing, in Olympic
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  Speaker 2: caliber downhill skiing, you probably can't have that in football.
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  Speaker 2: We know you can't have it in football. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we know the abundance of caution thing in football. I
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  Speaker 2: swear there's some kind of like bad juju associated with
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  Speaker 2: it where the more careful you are, the more likely
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  Speaker 2: you are to get hurt. I really believe that we
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  Speaker 2: have gone past the point of diminishing turns when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to controlling physical loads on players, when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to especially in the NFL, like limiting practice time, were
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  Speaker 2: tackling as much. We talk with Weddle about this all
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  Speaker 2: the time. Eric Weddle, who let's admit, is not like
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  Speaker 2: the biggest, most imposing physical specimen in the NFL. He
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  Speaker 2: had impressive durability and longevity and it worked for him,
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  Speaker 2: and we talk about it. He's like, no, man, you
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  Speaker 2: have to get strong. You can't rest your way out
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  Speaker 2: of this stuff. When he had bumps and bruises and
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  Speaker 2: things that hurt, he would lift the weights to strengthen
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  Speaker 2: those body parts.
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  Speaker 3: And that is that I imagine that's something in the
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  Speaker 3: fight world.
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  Speaker 2: They do in the fight world too. Right in the
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  Speaker 2: fight world, it's really fascinating because much like you know,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you think the sports science and the training method
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  Speaker 2: development is in football, baseball, basketball, whatever, push it back
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  Speaker 2: thirty or forty years, and that's where the combat sports,
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  Speaker 2: especially mmaar right, like put it in a situation where
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  Speaker 2: back in the day the Junction Boys in Alabama, we're
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  Speaker 2: not allowed to drink water during practice, right, And that
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  Speaker 2: was like the nineteen sixties, and by the nineteen seventies
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  Speaker 2: they had figured out that that's a little extreme. We're
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  Speaker 2: not going to do that, right in combat sports, and
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  Speaker 2: an MMA in particular. I mean, when I started coming up,
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  Speaker 2: we would fight every day in the gym. Like I
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  Speaker 2: took more what you would call concussive blows in the
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  Speaker 2: gym than I ever did in competition. And I took
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  Speaker 2: a lot of them in competition because that wasn't exactly
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  Speaker 2: the prettiest fighter, you know what I mean. But that's
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  Speaker 2: just how we trained in those days. And now the
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: pendulum has swung to the other end of the spectrum
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: where there's a lot of gyms that do no hard
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: sparring at all. And I have seen what it looks
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: like when fighters tried to do no hard sparring at
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: all in a camp none zero, and then they try
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: to flip that switch and turn it on when it's
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: actual competition time. Can't be done. The human body is
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: not capable of doing that. In my opinion, you can
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: if you haven't trained it, if you haven't prepared yourself
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: for it. You can't expect all of a sudden that
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to turn it on. You're gonna
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: be able to flip a switch. That is a myth
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: if anyone out there is driving in their car and
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: they believe, like, well, I would do you adrenaline, I'm
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: just gonna turn it. No, you're not. And I think
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: it's a Navy seal adage that you don't rise to
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: the occasion, you sink to the level of your training,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: which is why they put people in states of extreme fatigue, exhaustion, hunger,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: all that sleep, deprivation, all that stuff, so they at
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the very worst, like their base based bottom line, barely awake,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: barely alive, barely surviving. They are still elite. I think
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: that's why they do the training the way that they
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: do it. And in the combat sports world, we we've
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: been on this like strange kind of path to where
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: so I don't know how injury avoidance truly should be
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: handled when we're talking about an Olympic cycle, when we're
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: talking about the NFL playoffs and your bow Nicks, and
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: it's just like, Okay, take me out of the game
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: now that we have, now that it's been decided, now
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: that mathematically the other team can't come out even if
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: all we're gonna do is run a couple of like
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: nothing plays to kill some clock. I need to be
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: out of the game. I don't think you can approach
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: it that way.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: And that that's totally a hindsight benefit of hindsight reactions
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: of course to that in particular, but we do. We
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: fall prey to that all the time. And then what
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: the problem is. It's not it's not a problem for
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: fans and for media consumers of the sport to be
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: falling prey to that. It's a problem when we get way,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: we get people who are actually in power make sweeping
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: rule changes because as of a very isolated situation. And
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: to be fair, that's not happening with the Bonix situation,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: but we've seen it with other things where it's like, Okay,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: that's the first time that's ever happened, and now we
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: got to make sure we got to put things in
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: place so it never happens like it already never happens.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Well, And in the NFL, I know that they try
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: to do everything data driven, right, I really want that
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: to be more public or more easily accessible. Where have
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: we have we found the goldilocks zone with how much
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: guys don't practice now an injury control? Or have we
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: gone past that where the body is not hardened to
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: the competition? I don't. This is not a natural progression
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: of conversation. By the way, I don't Lindsey Vaughan's case
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: is not like, well, it's because she was training too hard,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: or she shouldn't be skiing right now. I honestly have
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: no idea that maybe you, maybe you shouldn't be skiing
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: week before the Olympics, if you're trying to get ready
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: for the Olympics, or maybe anyone, Andy Phillips, if you're
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: out there, anyone who skis might be able to say, dude,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: stay in your lane. The only way to stay ready
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: for Olympics skiing is to ski every day or every
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: week or every whatever it is. Stay in the skiing lane. Right.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I have no idea, but man, you look at and
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: the text message coming in. Remember when Simone Biles got.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: The twisties during the Olympics right before the Olympics started.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: That one is maybe the most confusing of all to me,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: because if you can show me an X ray or
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: there's an MRI, or I can get an orthopedist, some
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: kind of doctor to sit down and be like, this
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: is what happened with so and so's ankle. This is
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: what happened. And by the way, the Broncos would be
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: so much better served if that had happened, instead of
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Sean Payton being like, well, the surgeon said at some
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: point that thing was gonna go. He was injured prone,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: it was gonna happen. And then Bo Nicks has a
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: press conference and he's just like, my head coach should
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: not say anything about my leg. He doesn't know what
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: he's talking about. That was ridiculous. We should always have
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: had and I know that that's again a hindsight thing.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Instead of being like, here's the timeline on Brant Keithy's
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: injury recovery, here's the timeline on Cam Rising's injury recovery.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Based on what the player is saying, based on what
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the coach is saying. We always should have gone to
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: just hey, doctor Elatrosh that was his name, right, hey doctor,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: how long? How long? And had that person be honest
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: and say, look, not this year. Here's what I did.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I went in there and I fixed everything under the sun.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I did like cosmetic trim ups. I was sewing things together.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: You didn't even know where possible to rip apart. I
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: reconstructed that bad boy, and the typical reconstruction timeline on
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: a recovery is this whatever. And then we would have
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: been realistic. And then when when that whole two season
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: mess unfolded, we would have been better informed and better equipped. Right,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: we all can be better with each of these situations.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: When the Simone Biles thing ahead of the Olympics. At
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: the Olympics, someone just being like, I can't can't perform,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I can't perform, I'm disoriented. Now it doesn't work, and
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: all of us, most of us, many of us. You
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: have two choices and a lot of times. It's a
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: sliding scale. There's no like, there's no black and white
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: really in sports anymore. That it's a binary thing. You either,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: like in that case especially, you either okay, I get it,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: or you just have no idea whether or not you
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: get it. And that's where I was. I was like, okay,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I cannot even contextualize I know what
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the yips are. I actually fell victim to the yips
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: playing catch in baseball one time, not one time, at
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: a time, like I stopped being able to throw it
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: back to the picture regularly. Wow, it was the worst.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: It was a strange, strange like confidence thing ninth grade.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I assume it had something to do with puberty. Who knows,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: but like it was ugly right, puberty caused yips, shebouldy
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: caused yips is a very but it was like a
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: pc why it was very common. It was a huge
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: like it was so even with that history, I'm just like, okay,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: but I don't understand how it works when you're in
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: the air spinning around, you know why, because I've never been.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: In the air spinning around, never spun in the air,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: spun around in the air.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like that one.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: That that's why it's important in that kind of situation,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: just be like, Okay, whatever she says, I guess she
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: can't perform, you know, and like I don't get it,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: so I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to defer
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: to her judge, right.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: And yeah, and then and I found myself guilty of
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: this in that situation like I'm doing with Lindsay Vaughn.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, I am questioning an Olympian as
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: a random slub sports fan. I am questioning an olympian
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: just like are you doing this for attention? Some on
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: biles like Lindsay Vaughn, was that really a good idea
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: for me to be skiing before the Olympics? Is that
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: really something we should have been doing?
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Who am I going to questioned any of this? Right?
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Are we really being serious about the recovery timeline on
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: that knee frank ething? Do we really like?
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: It?
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Just puts you as a sports fan in these weird
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: spots where you want something to happen or or you
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: think something should happen in a certain way, and when
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: it doesn't, when it's taken away from you, you need
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: something to blame. You can't just accept well, dang bad
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: un fortunate, bad luck stinks. I'm just gonna accept this
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and move on with my life. I'm incapable of that
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: as a sports fan. The San Francisco forty nine ers
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: are victims of a power plant. It has to be
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: that for me. Kyle Euschik went on a podcast again
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: and was talking about how it's been a thing for
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: years there and so I'm all the way bought in.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: The organization, cannot get their play, cannot get the players
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: to stop talking about Dude, you.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Know how you can get them to stop talking about it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Move your practice field. You are billionaires, even if you
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: think it's the dumbest thing in the world. How many
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: of us that are married have had to do something
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: that you just think is so stupid just so your partner,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: your spouse, your significant other feels better. How many times, James,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: you just have to do it? Sometimes? Hey, will you
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: will you go in the room. Will you go sneak
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: into the baby's room and make sure that he's still breathing?
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Like there's absolutely no reason why that why that person
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: should feel that way, But you just have to do it.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: The one that the one that that's happening now for
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: me is we've got we've got all this, We've got
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: all this uh breast milk stored in the freezer, and
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: my wife's waking nightmare is that we're gonna leave, is
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: that the freezer door is gonna crack, gonna be cracked open,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: and everything's gonna melt, and which like, yeah, I don't
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: want that to happen either, right, So she's she's like,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I know it's crazy, but I like open and shut
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: the freezer, the deep freeze. We got out a regular
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: freezer in and the deep freeze we open and I
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: open and shut the freezer like five times each time,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: just and yeah.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: So she's she's like she's always.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: All put all put something away in one of those places,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: and she's always every time it's shut. Right, I'm like,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: I have to bite my tongue and yes it's shut.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Yes it's shut.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I will I have to go back and like do it,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: you know, Okay, let me try it again.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Yep, it's shut. It's you.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Just you gotta do things to appease people, especially those
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: closest to you.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Just because sometimes I had to do it. I had
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: to do this with my my most recent childbirth, my
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: wife's most recent child our youngest being bors Really yeah, uh,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: water breaks and it's time to go. Okay. We get
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: to the hospital sixteen minutes before my wife is holding
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: the baby okay, Like it was a rapid rapid delivery situation.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: My wife wanted an epidural. She did not want to
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: have natural childbirth. She was afraid of what that was
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: going to feel like. I, of course, am in no
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: position to tell her one way or another whether she
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: should be afraid of that or not. I'm like, you
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: could do it, It's okay. She's like, go get the
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: doctor now. The nurse looks at me and it's just
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: like it's way too late. We cannot give her an
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: epidural now, like sorry, Like it's not she's the nurse.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: My wife is like, go get the anesthesiologist, now, go
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: find him. Do I have any idea where that person
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: is in the hospital, James, you're the room. No, I
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: have no idea who that I look to the nurse
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: who's like holding you know, like my wife's arm, doing
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: a blood pressure thing or whatever, and she's looking at
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: me just like it's too late, dude, it's not having it.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: But am I gonna tell my wife that in that moment? Like,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: am I gonna be like, well, logically, you should know
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: in this state of extreme panic and pain that you
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: are past the point where we can get this anesthesiologist
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: to put an epidural in your spine. You're having contractions
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: every four seconds. Here, this baby is on the way.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Am I gonna do that in that moment? Or am
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I gonna do the thing where I'm just yep, I
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: will go get him. I literally walked out into the hallway,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: just me standing in the hallway, but I'm not in there.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: She thinks I'm looking for the doctor. She thinks I'm
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: doing what I'm supposed to do. Sometimes you have to
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: And the nine she knows you didn't actually look for
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: the anesthesiology.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: She knows I've told her this story. She the Niners
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: have to do that for their players. You just have
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: to do it right now because of the practice. As
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: sports watchers, fans, talkers, whatever, we are looking for a
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: finger to point, we are looking for a place to blame.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I'm doing it right now. With the Denver Broncos in
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: their playoff situation that has knocked them out of the
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: AFC title race. These are my active blame situations right now. Okay,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I'm actively doing that with the Denver Broncos situation as
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: a non Broncos fan. I'm still doing it. I'm actively
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: doing it with the Niners injury situation. I'm now actively
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: doing it with this Lindsay Vaughn injury. Okay, because she's
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: gonna bring us an American gold medal and I want
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: that metal count to be embarrassing for every other country
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: on Earth. Okay, now, Lindsey Vaughn, I'm looking for someone
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: to blame. Coach, why'd you let her ski in those
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: bad conditions? Of course? That places Montana place in Switzerland?
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: What krawl?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Ma'mo, Tama, why are you doing this? I'm doing it
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: all man, I'm looking to blame. I'm still looking to
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: blame someone for why the Utah Jazz haven't held an
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: opponent to under one hundred points. Blame by black Mine,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Biden all points and figures at Bill Riley, the Voice
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: of the Youthes. He's gonna join us next. It's the
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big Willie's at
• 33:31
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• 33:38
  Speaker 1: You were tuned to the Shan O'Connell Show from the
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• 33:45
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• 33:58
  Speaker 2: You heard the music. You know what I mean? It means,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: it means. Bill Riley joins us here on Utah's number
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: one sports talk Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Bill welcome, How are you?
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: Couple of things?
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: Sean?
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: Nobody can ever say that you don't talk about a
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: variety of things in your opening segment on your show,
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: breast milk to epidurals, to horrific sports injuries to eyes
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: being gouged out like a bowling ball. You ran the
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: gamut in the first thirty two minutes of your show today.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I think I'm going to take it as a compliment,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: even if it's not intended to be one, because.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: That was I'm not sure it is a compliment. I'm
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: just I'm just stating what I listen to, and I'm
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: still trying to I'm processing right now. I'll try to
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: focus on this segment. I'm still trying to process what
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: I just listened to.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I'm honestly, Bill I'm just trying to process whether or
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: not that was a blackout stream of consciousness moment that
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: should have been stricken from the record. But here we
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: are with the voice of the youth. So we'll talk
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: about the Utes. I want to get to college basketball games.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be calling the running Utes tomorrow. We'll get
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: there in a second. But right now, it's kind of
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: like this quiet period ish for Utah football after, let's
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: be honest, a wild and tumultuous several weeks at the
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: end of the actual college football season, and now we're
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: settled into like this, all right, what are they doing?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: What's happening? And for people who don't know, there's a
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: lot of recruiting going on right now. Not for the
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six class necessarily, because as Morgan stated on
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: this show, they're down to maybe one or two players
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: they need to add. It's about laying the foundation for
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: next year, and it's about a lot of the high
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: school recruiting. And I guess some JUCO stuff, and I
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: just wonder what role you think this period and that
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: old tradition plays in modern football for the Utes specifically,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: because yeah, you still want to get a nice high
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: school pipeline. But with the transfer portal being so much
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: more important now and whatnot, is it more important than
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: it ever was? Is it less important than it used
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: to be? What does this particular time period mean for
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: the utes?
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: I think it's important, But I think what you're doing
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: now is, yeah, you're creating kind of your database for
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: next year, whether that's high school or junior college or
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: whatever that might happen to be. But you're not taking
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: as many people as you used to. So you're creating
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: your pool. And my guess would be over the next
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: six to nine months, you're whittling that pool down because
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: we all know, Sean, you're leaving half of your scholarships
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: if not more, probably in that neighborhood of half to
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: the transfer portal. If you, let's say you've got twenty
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: five spots to fill, you're probably leaving twelve or thirteen
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: or more as maybe portal guys. And then you're going
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: to fill that in with quality young high school players
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: and or perhaps junior college players that could fill those voids.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: So I still think it's very important. You cannot live
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: solely in the transfer portal.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: You just can't.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: We saw Colorado try to do it, and it's now
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: becoming very clear that that's a failed attempt by Dion
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Sanders because he isn't finding generational talents in the portal
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: like he had with his son and with Travis Hunter.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: You can't live solely in the portal. Good schools, good teams,
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: and I think Utah falls in this category. Find the
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: really good blend, and that blend is not going to
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: be fifty to fifty every year. Some years it might
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: be a sixty forty high school juke go to transfer
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: portal blend, and then maybe in some other years it's
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: sixty forty the other way. But I don't think you
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: can really build a foundation for a program with sixty
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: five or seventy or seventy five percent of your players
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: coming into your program as portal players, because I don't
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: think that that's a sustainable model. So back to your
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: original point, I think it's very important that you do it,
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: and you're creating kind of your database now of those
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: players that you like, but you're in years gone by
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: you might be targeting twenty five players. Now you'll probably
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: whittle that number down to fifteen to anywhere from thirteen
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: to seventeen players that you might go after, and maybe
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: that makes it easier, maybe that makes it harder. I
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: guess it just depends on the players that you're going after.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: In the transfer portal, specifically, there's the powerful lateral move guys,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: the bounce backs, whatever you want to call them. And
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: then there's the group of five under recruited out of
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: high school or out of Juco and they end up
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: at a New Mexico and then they come to Utah.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: They end up being great players for you, like we
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: saw with r D and like we saw obviously with
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: the starting quarterback Devin dan Pierre. I think for me,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I think Utah should live in that world, even a
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: little bit more than the powerful lateral transfer guys. But
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: you know, you had a John Henry Daily that is
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: the opposite example of emphasizing one thing over the other.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Where do you think Morgan Scali and Utah will have
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: more success if you had to prognosticate over the next
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: five years, would it be the upward mobility guys or
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: would it be the I stole him from BYU or
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: from Colorado or from Arizona State type guys.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: Well, it really depends on you know, again, you're you
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: know what where you want to go to me. A
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: lot of the guys that you're stealing from those programs,
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: we use the word stealing, grabbing, taking. It's an open market.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: Nobody's stealing anybody these kids. It's not like you're kidnapping
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: these kids in the middle of the night and taking
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: them from Boulder to Salt Lake City. They're making the
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: conscious choice to go where they go. I like the
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: idea of grabbing guys that had high level success at
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: the Group of five level and bringing them over. You know,
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: you look like a kid. The two wide receivers Utah had.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: The two big receivers that Utah got were high level
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: producers group of five schools in the mount West Conference.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: Kylie Scholz and Braden Pagan. These two guys had elite
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: level seasons last year in the Mountain West Conference. That's
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: high level production. I think I would rather do that
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: the high level production guys from a slightly lower level
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: than the guys that are making lateral, you know, conference
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: moves that maybe had lesser production at a power five school.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, you look at Pagan, you look at Shoals.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: These guys were sixty seventy catch guys at the Mountain
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: West level that were making explosive plays. I think I
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: would rather have that than a guy that might be
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: teasing you with a little possibility that maybe played at
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: a power five sec Big ten, Big twelve school that
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: maybe had much less production production, maybe they had fifteen
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: or twenty catches. I don't think it's a bad move
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: either way. But if I'm picking between the two, I'll
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: take the high level production at the Group of five level.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, you look at what what.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: Iowa State did a couple of you years ago, Noel
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: and Higgins, who were their two big receivers who are
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: now both playing in the NFL and functioning at a
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: high level. Those were two guys that were group before
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: and one double a program guys that went to the
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: Big twelve and had huge numbers with rock Obec. So
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: if I'm going to choose between them, and again I
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: don't think that there's a wrong choice. I think I'm
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: going to probably go the direction of a guy that
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: had major production at may be a slightly lower level.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I'm interested to see how this shapes that lower level
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: moving forward, because I think that's going to be the
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: answer from a lot of people right now, especially with
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: what Indiana did using a lot of JMU transfers and whatnot.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: It's already become a little bit of this, but I
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: wonder how much more of a I guess Developmental League,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the Mount West Conference, and the Conference USA type situation
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: becomes as we move forward, adjusting to the demands of
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: the Power four and Power five.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting because we worried about this
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: a few years ago with one Double A football, the
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: big skies of the world and ps like that. Oh
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: my gosh, they're gonna become, you know, the feeding and
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: feeding grounds for these big schools. Well, to your point,
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: a lot of Group of five schools now have kind
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: of become that. But but that's okay, Sean, because you're
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: gonna get you know, we talked a lot about the
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: transfers from Utah that went with with Kyle Whittingham to Michigan. Well,
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: there were a number of guys that left Utah's program
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: that were recruited to Utah, but they just couldn't find
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: their footing from a playing time standpoint. So they've trans
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: you know, they've gone back the other way and they're
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: now at group of five or one double A school.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: So I think that cuts both ways. Yeah, these these
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: group of five schools are gonna lose high end talent,
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: but they're also going to grab guys that were maybe
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: above their pay grade in the recruiting cycle and bring
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: them back to the group of five level. So I
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: think there's a little bit of you know, a little
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: bit of movement both ways.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't worry, we were stayed for every Jack Kelly
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: you lose, there's a Sean O'Connell coming your way from Utah.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be just fine. It all comes out, Samesis. Anyway,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: let's talk a little running utes basketball here Huntsman Center
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: hosting Utah versus Oklahoma State. The UT's looking again for
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: a big twelve win here. This is a doable one.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: This is a winnable game. What do you need to
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: see from Alex Jensen's lineup in order to grab another
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: big twelve win.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Most of it's on the defensive end, Sean, these are
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: two teams that love to run up and down the floor.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: Oklahoma State and Utah love to run up and down
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: the floor. And if you look at some of the
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: advanced numbers and they're not so advanced numbers, yeah, they
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: love to run up and down the floor, but they
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: love to run the one end of the floor much
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: more than they love to run to the other end
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: of the floor, if you know what I'm talking about.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: So these are two teams that are really good offensively.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: Both these teams need to be a little bit better defensively.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: I've talked to Alex a few times that they know
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: what it is. I mean, they've just they've got to
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: get a little bit better on the defensive end. They've
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: improved in some areas, like rebounding in some of those areas,
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: didn't turn the ball over at a high level even
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: last weekend in Provo. But you know, you're not going
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: to win in a league like the Big twelve or
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: any big power league just trying to go out and
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: outscore and outrun and gun somebody. I know that sounds
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: goofy because you've got to outscore them to win, But
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, you can't just live on
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: the offensive end that those days are just gone. You've
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: got to be able to guard a little bit. So
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: I think Alex is going to implore his guys to
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: be a little bit better guarding the basketball. And this
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: Oklahoma State team presents challenges because they pretty much play
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: with four guards and a big guy, and their four
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: guards can all shoot it, and they love to push
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: the pace, so I you know in Utah loves to
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: do the same thing too, So I would tell people
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: that are listening right now, come out Tomorrow's the four
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: o'clock game tomorrow at the Huntsman Center. Sean Mooney and
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: I will have the call pregame beginning at three thirty.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: But the tempo and the pace of tomorrow's game between
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: the ut and ok in Oak State should be pretty fun.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I won't have a chance to talk with you before then.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: They take on Arizona State as well, again, another winnable game.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: You circle some of these and you highlight them and say,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: that's an opportunity for you to stack that winning experience. Yes,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: it's great to play in the Big Twelve Conference and
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: to go up against the league competition that you're going
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: to see against Kansas and Houston, but we're all here
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: to see some wins. And Arizona State is a winnable game,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: and they got one of the more fiery coaches in
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: the league, so that's always fun to watch. But I
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: guess kind of the same thing with Oklahoma State and
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: with with Arizona State. If you can put a too
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: little you know, win win after win together, it changes
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: your outlook, It changes your confidence, changes a little bit momentum.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it gets you wins over Kansas
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: or Houston after that, but the outlook on the season
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: becomes different if you're beating the teams on your level
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: If that makes sense, well that's if you had It
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: doesn't matter what league you're in, Sean, you've got to
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: protect your home floor and winning. As you mentioned, nothing's
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: a given in the Big Twelve. There's no given Oklahoma
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: State or Arizona State or wins by any means. But
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: these are teams that are kind of in your in
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: your realm, in the hierarchy of the conference right now,
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: good but maybe not great teams. So you've got to
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: protect your home floor. In Arizona state's a lot the
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: same that Utah, and it also Oklahoma State. Bobby Hurley
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: teams love to run up and down the floor. Now
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: they'll probably guard you a little bit more at least
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: they will traditionally than say Oklahoma State might. But again,
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: these are these are kind of wide open type games,
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: and you're playing them at the Huntsman Center, and you've
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: got a little altitude in your back pocket. And again,
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: before you can look for those big breakthroughs against the
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: Kansases or the Houstons or the Iowa States of the world,
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: it's the old you got to walk before you can run.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: And you know, it's not the same in college basketball.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: You can't pull those upsets, because you absolutely can, and
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: Utah's got firepower enough on the offensive.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: End to do it.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: But like you said, you stack those, stack those smaller wins,
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: and then you know, stack one or two or three
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: of those, and then you start feeling good about yourself.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: And then you've got a little bit of confidence. And
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: then when you go on the road to play a
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: team like a Kansas in a week, or you go
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: on the road to play a school like Iowa State,
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: or you bring Houston into the Huntsman Center, you feel
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: a little bit better about yourself. So there are improvements.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: For those that have watched this team play over twenty
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: games this year, you've seen some areas I mentioned the turnovers,
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: I mentioned, the playing hard, you know I mentioned also
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: the rebounding has gotten better mostly in a lot of
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: these games. Those things are coming, but again on the
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: defense to end is where Alex Jensen will tell you
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: they've got to make their most improvement right now.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I'll be in Dubai when you join the show next Friday,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: So I want your thoughts on who wins this super
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Bowl coming up next weekend.
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: I think it's probably the Seattle Seahawks. I know that
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: hurts your NFC West loving heart, but they're really, really good.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: The one thing I like about New England is Mike
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: Rabel is a really good coach, and I think the
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: Page Striots defense is really good. And Rabel's one of
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: those guys he's so detail oriented. Maybe somehow, some way
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: he finds that edge. I'm still not a complete believer
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: in Sam Darnold. I know he's played great, and it's
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: this postseason. I've seen him have some pretty awful games
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: this year too. But if Rabel can find a way
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: and that Patriots defense is pretty darn good, that's that's
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: he's gonna have to make it a rock fight. Because
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: if this game's not a rock fight, if it's a
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: wide open game, I don't think the Patriots could beat
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: Seattle plus Seattle's comfortable playing in that building. They played
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: in there earlier this year. I just I like Seattle
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: in this game. If it's going to be a Patriots game,
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: it's gonna have to be a low scoring, ugly kind
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: of a rock fight. But I I'm leaning toward the Seahawks.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: I think Mike McDonald's done an unbelievable job of a
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: couple of seasons up there.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Hopefully the Seahawks are practicing on the Niners practice field
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: to get ready for the game.
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, then there was that part of the open too.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: What's whether they practicing next to a nuclear power planted
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: or under a pouse of power lines? What's the deal?
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Allegedly, it's worse than that. It's that that electrical substation,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: that the electromagnetic field is causing the collagen in their
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: tissues to break down and make them more susceptible to injury.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Bill it's full on conspiracy.
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I mean you use whatever you need to use,
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: Sean to justify why the Niners have they been practicing
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: there for years? I mean when the Chiefs feed them
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: not once but twice in the Super Bowl? Was that
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: was that a reason?
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: It is.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I'm blaming. I'm blaming every forty nine ers loss on this. Actually,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: they haven't won. They haven't won the Super Bowl since
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: what ninety four? I think that's probably when the that
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: practice field was starting to be used.
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I still don't understand why they're in Santa Clara
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: and they're called the San Francisco forty nine ers. What
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: are they like forty miles from downtown.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: It takes so long too, and it's just like it's
• 49:59
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• 50:03
  Speaker 5: Oh it's not even Lehigh. I mean, you know, with
• 50:06
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• 50:07
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• 50:11
  Speaker 6: It is a lot.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Closer to San Jose. Now you got me all fired up, Bill,
• 50:14
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• 50:16
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  Speaker 2: But more importantly, mikey Aam's gonna join us in about
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: ten minutes. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven M.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Please not Sean O'Connell's Show. You were home of the
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: best inside of your hutes. Let's get back to from
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of the ESPN seven hundred and
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: ninety two to one f M.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell's Show, ESPN seven ninety two one FM. A
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: little update, Mikeyam is apparently there's some news that might
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: be breaking, NFL related news that might be breaking soon.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna kick the can a little bit with
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Mike Aam. We'll get him if and when we can. Uh.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: He is currently occupied with some meetings like boss getting
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: you on the phone type meetings, so we'll get mikeym
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: when we can. No problem there. If you're a Patriots fan,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: are you bothered or worried at all by the reports
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: coming out of Patriots camp about Drake May's He's a
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: little bit banged up apparently, And I know that there's
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: a whole week plus before the game actually gets played,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: but he missed practice with illness. Now, is there any
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: concern over Drake May's availability heading into this eventual Super
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Bowl week? He's a young guy. You heal in like
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: five seconds when you're in your early twenties. Rom some
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: dirt on it, Drake.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: No.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: We heard this on Rich Eisen Show right before, right
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: before this show, every day ten to eleven here on
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: SPN seven hundred ninety two ONEFM, they were they're talking
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: a lot about this, Like, hey, it feels a lot
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: like the Sam Donald oblique. Remember the oblique issue with
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Sam Donald and the or was his shoulder going into
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: the Niners game, and it's like, oh, maybe the Niners
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: can pull off the upset, and then Donald is shown
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: that he's more than fine.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: I think this is a really this is another reason
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: why it's a really good thing. That there's for these teams,
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: that there's two weeks in between playing before between AFC
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: and FC championship game in the Super Bowl. I think
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: by next Sunday he'll probably he'll probably be fine. I mean,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it's it'll still hurt and whatever, and it'll
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: still be some kind of injury there, but be fine
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: enough to play and perform to the level that Patriots
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: need him to. Uh but yeah, I don't think it's
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: leaving him out.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's gonna end up being a big old
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: nothing burger. But we'll keep you, We will keep you apprized.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: I gotta talk about something in these two weeks in
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: between Super Bowl right now, thankfully we're what nine days away.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: It is kind of a dead period, weirdly enough, where
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: the college football year round calendar, like I said, it
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: has slowed down significantly. And I actually put that poll
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: question out yesterday. Maybe all are we twenty four hours
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: removed yet from when I posted that thing. We probably
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: have direct results from what our listeners said. I'm sometimes
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: guilty of bad tweet construction when I'm doing these polls,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: and this might be one of those situations where uh yeah,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: I throw in an answered that it's too much of
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: a catch all that becomes the obvious winner here, and
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: that happened with this when I said an even mix. Realistically,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: there's never gonna be an even mix on how you recruit.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: But Porter and I were talking about this on the
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: show yesterday. We had a conversation with Eric Weddle and
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: I didn't know this, but like just random coincidence, James,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I know you heard it. Jordan Gross was with Eric Weddle.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: He was at Rancho Bernardo High School checking in with
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: what Eric Weddle has going on with his players. Obviously,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: his own son is a priority recruit, probably the priory
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: already recruit for Utah football for the next two years,
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: and so they're gonna check in with him as frequently
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: as they can.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: Hey, new offensive line coach, go check on the quarterbacks.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: So that's safety recruit we got here.
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Obviously, obviously that's a priority. You want it.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: And also Wettle being an alum, even if he didn't
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: have gauge a high priority target. You want to keep
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: an eye on that high school.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: You want to cultivate those relationships, right and honestly, let's
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: let's be clear here. I'm sure there was a little
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: bit of recruiting for Eric himself being done.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's still a spot on the coaching staff.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Jordan Gross is probably down there just being like, you know,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: there's you could be hired directly out of being a
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: high school head coach to come work for Morgan on
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: his staff. I did that.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: I imagine that some of those conversations were going on.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: But James, I know you heard part of this conversation.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: I'd like your thoughts on it. The the final resil
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: of the poll are that sixteen and a half percent
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: of you think that the backbone of the Utah football
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: roster should be made up of smaller school transfers. I'm
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: talking fcs, I'm talking group of five. We know what
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: it's meant by smaller schools, right, you had a ton
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: of success with that last year with the guys that
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: came from New Mexico. You're relying on San Jose State
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: as a pipeline right now because of mcgiven's time there.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: You're relying on OTUM two. Yeah, you're relying on Utah
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: State a little bit because mcgiven was at Utah State
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: last year. He was at San Jose State before that.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: You obviously have relationships already on that Utah State staff.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: There's the geographical proximity, and I don't want to reduce
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: because I know guys on that Utah State staff and
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: they're doing really good work. In Bronco is exactly the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: right kind of coach to maximize where they are at.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: But that staff is going to be leagued with the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: same thing that every other group of five staff is
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: played with. Now that once you develop a kid, maximize
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: the kid's potential and talent, that kid's thank you to
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: you is going to be just that. It's going to be, Hey,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: thank you for putting me in a better position. I
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: can now go make money. I can now play for
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: a bigger school, I can now do things that Unfortunately,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: despite your best intentions, at a Utah State, at a
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Fresno State, at a University of Nevada Reno, you probably
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: can't provide me with the same level of security and
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: opportunity for my future. So as we reshuffle the deck
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: of kind of power and financial balance and things like
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: that in college sports, and know that the Big twelve
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: has a lot of catching up to do. The Mount
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: West Conference can't even call it catch up. There's no
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: way for them to catch up, right, So that recruiting
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: picture gets altered and gets changed by that. But it
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to be a bad thing. It doesn't have
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: to be a wholly negative thing. I worked, I worked
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: for a long time for SkyWest Airlines. Right, it's a
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: great local company. It's awesome. Any of you who have
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: anyone who works there, knows people who work there. It's amazing.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: I'm still affiliated with them loosely. You lose a lot
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: of employees from a shop like that to big time companies. Right.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: If somebody comes in and calls Spence check it's James
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: and says, hey, dude, we want you to be a
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: sports center anchor. It's not ideal for ESPN seven hundred
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: when he takes that job. But it's also not a
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: bad thing necessarily, because the next rising talent is like,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: wait a second, I can go work at ESPN seven
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: hundred and then get a call from sports center. I
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: want to be at ESPN seven hundred. And that's kind
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: of where you're at right now. With San Jose State,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: with Utah State, with Tulane, some of these schools right
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: where you're just that's that's the level that you're at
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: and if you maximize that, and I mean there's coaches
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: now what it's escaping me for the moment, it'll come
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: back to me. There's a coach who's openly recruiting that
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: this is his pitch? Is it the new Sack State
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: coach that this is his pitch. He's like, come here,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: play here, get some production, and then we'll get you
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: a D one scholarship. It's what juco coaches used to
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: do back in my day, right, So those guys can
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: be the backbone of your team. It's it's an unfamiliar
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: place for a lot of fans. It's a weird place
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: for a lot of fans, but it's a successful place.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: There's precedent for this. We know what it looks like
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: now when that's how you build your roster. So smaller
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: school transfers sixteen point six percent of the vote high
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: school projects and I'm not talking I might be in
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: the category now or when we're talking about high school players.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: And I know Utah can't really afford to be this way,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: but in a perfect world, I might only recruit out
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: of high school. The Kelvin Obots and the Gauge Wintles
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: and every other high school kid. I might say, hey man,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: we like you, go play somewhere else first, and that
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: kid's gonna be like, whoa what, hey man, we really
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: really like you. I really really like you so much.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: I want you to be a Utah State aggie. It
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: sounds so strange and so counterproductive and so counterintuitive, but
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: and Morgan would never let that be the pitch. That's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: why one of the trillion reasons why Morgan wouldn't hire
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: somebody like me to be part of his staff. But
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: that might be my thing. Just be like, hey, you
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: are going to be a great football player someday, and
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: when you are, when instead of being two hundred and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: twenty pounds six foot four, you're two hundred and forty
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: five pounds at six foot four, I'm gonna give you
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: a nice little nil deal and I'm gonna give you
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: some reps on a big twelve football field. But right now,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna use this scholarship on you. I'm not
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: gonna use these resources on you. And I don't know
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: how successful that can be with families and with kids
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: and whatever else. But it's kind of I think Dion
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: went too extreme with this being his approach, but it's
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: not all that far off from where you want eighty
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: percent of your roster recruitment strategy to be. In my opinion,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: like this, if I don't believe you, as a high
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: school kid, are going to come in and compete for
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: a starting job, I can't promise starting jobs to anyone.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: But if I don't think you're gonna compete for a
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: starting job because physically you're just not there yet, I
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: just don't know if I can use any resources on you.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: And I know that again, you have to play more
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: of a long game if you're the head coach somewhere,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: if you're the recruiting coordinator somewhere, if you're the GM somewhere.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: But how much longer of a game can you really play?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Because now, as soon as that kid does get to
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: two hundred and forty five pounds, instead of being at
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Weber State for those you know, first few reps for
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: that first year, he's been in your practice room and
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: he's not getting game reps, and you're still wondering if
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: when the game speed happens, if his skill is going
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: to translate. I don't know if you can deal with
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: that level of uncertainty in today's world of college football,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: that guy might transfer. Like the equipalent. What this is now,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: what it's becoming now, in an uncomfortable sort of way,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: is how baseball and hockey rosters are built. The San
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Jose Sharp identified an eighteen year old Macklin Celabrini and said,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: that kid is ready now. I'm going to get him now.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: And I know that drafting is obviously a lot different
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: than recruiting because in drafting you just pick them, they
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: don't have to pick you. But the San Jose Sharks
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: were just like, yep, that kid is ready now, we're
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: gonna get him. We're gonna put him on in our
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: NHL roster. And he's got like seventy points this year.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: The kid's unbelievable. He's a freak. Okay, everyone in the
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: NHL agreed on it. Everyone knew it, everyone wanted him.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: That's the Kelvin Obots of the world. Okay, that's what
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: Gage Weddle is going to be. So that kid, absolutely,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: that kid gets your scholarship right. Major League baseball teams
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: don't bring most kids out of high school or even
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: right out of college into the majors. Sometimes, yes, but
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: that's the rarity. Right, if your favorite team, your Boston
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: Red Sox James, all of a sudden told you that
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: their scouting department was gonna put most of its emphasis
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: on high school prospects and bringing high school prospects in,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: you'd be like, well, hold on a minute, let's let's
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: do what we've always done. And in football it's not
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: what you've always done, but in baseball it is. Let's
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: get guys that are in Triple A and they've been
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: taking these steps. Let's do that. Yeah, you'd be like,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Triple A is a high percentage thing. The one freak athlete,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: Like you get this nineteen year old guy out of
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Japan that no one has seen, or you find some
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Cuban that floated over here in a terrible situation and
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: now we can elevate his future. Yeah, okay, let's do
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: that when those special special opportunities come. But the rest
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: of this, let's get triple A guys that have already
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: been proven. That's what college football is becoming. And Triple
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: A is now group of five and it's a hard
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: thing for a group of five coach for a Bronco
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: men in hall, like, if we get call Bronco, right, Now,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: if we get Bronco men in Hall on the phone
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: and I ask him, Hey, are you okay with being
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: a Triple A baseball coach, He's gonna be like, what
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: are you talking about. I'm a Division one football coach.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: I've had success at the highest level of this game,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: and obviously I wouldn't do this. I got respect for Bronco,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: and it's not you don't want to be contention, but
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: it's like, I know, we know that that's what you're
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: capable of, but right now, you're a Triple A baseball manager.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: That's what the world of college football is becoming. And
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: your personnel department, if you're not in Triple A, if
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: you're in the pros, should be treating the Mount West
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Conference and it's equivalent as Triple A. And I think,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: and I know that people don't like this. Probably if
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: you're at Utah State, if you are Triple A, you
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: probably should be treating it like Triple A. You probably
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: should be saying you're not going to be if I
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: get what I want out of you, mister Braden Pagan,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: if I do what I'm supposed to do with you,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna be here for four years. And I'm
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: okay with that. I'm gonna embrace that because there's another
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: one of you coming behind you. There's an and I
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: need you to mentor that kid while you're here. We're
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: gonna do what we can for you. We're gonna get
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: you to this next level. But I need you to
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: do this for me.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's okay, and I think it's something that
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: we have a hard time embracing at this moment. Now
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: back to the Utah lens on this. The smaller school
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: transfers I think are the best backbone now for a
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: modern college football team that's in Utah's category, the high
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: school projects. I'm not talking about Body Sparrow. We all
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: saw Body Sparrow bringing out his top ten list the
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: other day, the Davis High number one recruit in the
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: class of twenty twenty seven. I desperately, desperately hope Body
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Sparrow comes to the University of Utah. His dad was
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: a teammate of mine at Weaver State University, and Ty
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Sparrow is one of those dudes that if we were
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: participating in the modern landscape of college football, Ty Sparrow
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: would have played one year at Weaver State and then
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: been a Utah guy if we're lucky, or he would
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: have been a USC guy. His son, who's a four
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: star athlete right now as a rising junior. His son
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: has offers from Texas, Utah BYU LSU, Texas A, and
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: M right that I want to see that kid come
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: to the University of Utah. He's not a project. He's
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: a guy that you're you're putting resources in nil into
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: someone like that because he's a day one starter. Probably
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: his dad, by the way, was a two sport athlete
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: at Weaver State. One of the smartest guys that you're
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: ever gonna meet, a big body safety just like the
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: best genetics you could imagine have been passed on to
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: this kid. He's a can't miss prospect in my mind
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: that I'm gonna help. I'm gonna try to make him
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: a backbone member portion of my team. Now, the other
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: one here was the bouncebacks, the power for lateral moves.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Twelve percent of people said, I will put that on
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: my roster as the backbone of my roster. I couldn't
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: disagree with you more if you voted this way. Now,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: the balance one, the even mix of all that I
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have put in there, but I did obviously that
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: ran away with it. An even mix is the catch
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: all and it solves all your problems because if you've
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: got great small school transfers and you've got high school
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: kids that are overachieving, and you've got some powerful bounce backs,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: you can be like, oh, well, look I got a
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: hundred kids here, and I can trust fifty of them.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what the other fifty are. But if
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: we're performing a recruiting strategy, you need your backbone to
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: have some shape. And I think that the shape cannot
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: be the powerful lateral moves the guys that were somewhere
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: else and it didn't work somewhere else, because as someone
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: who was in college football and it didn't work somewhere else,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: there's a reason why it didn't work somewhere else. In
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: most cases, are there outliers to this? Absolutely yes. John
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: Henry Daily is the most glaring example of why this point.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: You're probably sitting in your car screaming at me right now,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: because John Henry Daily is this. John Henry Daily was
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: a power for lateral move. He went from a BYU
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: team I was transitioning into being a power four team
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: to a Utah team that was already a Power four team,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: a power five team, now power four team, and he
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: proved to you that he is good enough to compete anywhere,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: which is why now he's at the University of Michigan. Right.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: There are guys that don't fit this mold but hate
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: to throw shade. The more likely outcome is that Tobias
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Meriweather situation where you fall in love with the same
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: traits that Notre Dame fell in love with, or you
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: fall in love with the same traits that whoever fell
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: in love with and you ignore the idea that, well,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: it didn't work there. I'm a better coach than they
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: are over there, or I can connect with this kid
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: better than they have. Our culture is better. We become us,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: or you become us. We don't become you. That works here,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: it didn't work there. Right, It's actually a lot more
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: difficult to take someone who is probably disgruntled in some way.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: Was are more likely to be a high level recruit
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: than the kid who's rising up the ranks. That kid
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: is like, I got to go from Utah State to Utah. Hell, yes, dude,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: this is amazing. You think if you go from Notre
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: Dame to Utah, you're like, this is the best place
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: on earth. I can't wait to be here, or you're
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: just like eh, I mean, whether subconsciously or consciously, that's
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: just a hard thing. And as much as I think
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: that the Utah staff is as good or better than
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: any staff in the country, it's probably not so much
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: better than any staff in the country. That like, the
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: reason somebody doesn't work out at LSU or at Oregon
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: or at Notre Dame or at Colorado, it's probably not well.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: The coaches were bad over there. They couldn't connect with
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: this kid, not in a way that I can. There's
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: gonna be outliers to this, But the lateral move thing
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: is just it's not the high percentage. By the way,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: the best evidence of this might be guys that leave
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: Utah and go do the lateral move thing. Do you
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: think BYU is truly happy with how much they paid
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Keatu Tonuvasa to have the year he had last year?
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: Do you think that if we got truth serum and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: injected it into everyone the decision makers that made that
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: move happen at BYU, that they'd be like, Yeah, that
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: was worth it, that was the right thing. To form
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: the backbone of our defense last year. I think I mean,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: he had some important plays, obviously, but I think that
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: there was probably there's probably just as many people would
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: be like, yeah, we should re examine that. I don't know, James,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on this. You heard me and Porter talking
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: about it. You've heard me talking about it.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: For twenty minutes now, Yeah, I definitely think smaller school
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: first option. Transfers from smaller schools has got to be
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: the backbone of your program if you're a University of Utah.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: Now there's important context to this. University of Utah is
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: not like my, ohiose State Buckeyes there. It's not Michigan
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: where he who shall not be named went to, right,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: It's not you know, blue butt out SEC school.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a this is a question that has
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: to be very specific to Utah, those those schools.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: If you're saying, if you're a fan of those schools
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: and you're saying, yeah, we want smaller schools transfers to
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: be our backbone, and be like, no, that's beneath us. Right,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: we can get the we can get the best five
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: star athletes out of high school, and we can get
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: the number one guys out of the transfer portal.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Like if you're if you're Lane Kiffin at LSU, and
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: you go to your boosters and you go to your
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: fan base, and you say, the backbone of my roster
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: is going to be made up of Louisiana La Fayette recruits,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: the raging Cajun's. They're gonna be like what people are
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: goulda be like, absolutely not. You're gonna go get the
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: kid from Colorado. You're gonna go get the kid from
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Old miss You're gonna go get the kid from Florida.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: You're gonna get the kid from Utah. I want you
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: to steal that guy from Texas Tech. That's what you're
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: gonna do. And those schools can So you're right, this
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: is a very specific If you're Utah, how do you
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: build you?
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Which is which is why I know that there's
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: probably a segment of people listening and going, no, why
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: would I want those guys who who the bigger schools
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: didn't want initially?
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: And it's part of it is because this is like
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: in the transfer portal era, this is the way, this
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: is the way to develop the three start, the two,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: the one, two and three star guys that the Utah
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: football and the no star guys. The Utah football has
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: always been able to develop into you know, similar level
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: of player, if not better than the four or five
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: star guys are competing against. The transfer from the smaller
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: school way is the way of doing that, right, And
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: of course you're gonna you're gonna you're not gonna get
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: every four or five star you want, even from your
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: own state if you're University of Utah. So of course
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: you're gonna take the You're gonna take some guys that
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: you see that are lower rated than that, and you see, hey,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: we can develop him into this. Of course you're still
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: gonna do that, but that should not look that was
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: the backbone of your roster in the previous era and
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: this era it needs the you need to evolve to hey,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: we're gonna what they're doing. What they've done in this
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: transfer portal cycle, uh in large part, Oh see, they've
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: they've taken guys from Utah State.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: They took what three or four guys.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: From the FCS champion Montana State Bobcats roster. Yeah, I
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: thought that's an incredible move by them to be looking
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: in those places. And we'll see how they work out
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: just because they maybe the guys pick from the FCS level.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe they show, hey, this is why we played at
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: the FCS level up till now, right because we don't
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: We're awesome there, but we're not. We're not awesome here.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: Maybe they end up being really good players, but regardless
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: of the results, that's the way that they should be
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: going about this. Uh And then yeah, I if I
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: were voting even mix, I would be saying even mixed
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: except for the power for bounce backs, Like, of course
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: there's gonna be there's exceptions to that. But if you
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: never got a power four bounce back, if you tough football,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: never did that again, they'd probably they'd probably be just fine.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: See right, they probably be just fine. But I wonder
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: how much you're leaving on the table if you turn
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: away from that. And yeah, just so you're not going
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: to none of these coaches even would consider turning away
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: from Like I'm not taking any kid from BYU. Like
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: if Vallatow saw Tawalla knocks on your door, you're going, yeah,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: of course we want you here. And he's a bad example.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: He's the best player on BYU's But like the SIONI
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: moa kid, the running back, right, Like, I really like
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: that guy. He's been banged up a little bit. I
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: really think he's a good player. If he wants to
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: play at the University of Utah, You're like, absolutely, yes,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: come play. He's got production. But there's question marks, Katie,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: stay healthy, et cetera. Right, John Henry Day, when you
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: brought him over, John Henry Daily didn't have numbers.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: And even he was in Utah system for one year
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: and he was not He was not all that impressive
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: the first year.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: He's more of an outlier than people realized because not
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: only did he not have numbers, but when he came
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: to the University of Utah, they were like, you're not
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: good enough, dude. You need to make yourself good enough
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: before I put you on the field now. And he
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: did it. Credit to him, because a lot of people
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: would just say, like, dude, what are you talking about.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: I'm out of here. But he changed his body, he
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: got more flexible, He did what he had to do,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: and he gets to reap that reward, even after this injury.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: He gets to reach that reward. And I bear no
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: grudge to somebody who earned their way like that. I
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: wish it was still here at the University of Utah,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: but man.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: And then another example from the other side of the
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: rivalry is a guy like Carson Ryan. He is a
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: powerful retread two different times, now Ucla to Utah and
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: then Utah to BYU, and he ended up having I
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: mean he was he was all.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: Packed twelve in the UCLA.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: But you could argue he might have had his best
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: year at BYU last year or or close to what
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: he did at you to the level he played at UCLA.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: So there's exceptions to this, which is why you you
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: don't rule it out completely. But I'm saying it's it
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: seems like it's a small a percentage that those guys
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: are gonna hit and the way you expect them to
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: that if you didn't go after those guys at all,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: you probably don't notice that much of a difference. That's
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: that's why I that would be my last avenue for
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: building a team would be would be those guys.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: If I'm Morgan Scout and Utah football staff, I mean, yeah,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: you can't. The funny thing too, is if you take
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: out if you take out BYU right then most of
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: most of what we've seen successful guys that are bounce
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: back guys. I mean, look, I would say that Don Saunders,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: if you got him to stay, would have been really good.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: Lance holts Claw.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: He had a nice end of the season and he's
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: gonna be good for you next year.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Lance Holt's Claw is a bounce back that you're
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: going to be glad that you have. The rest of
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: the guys on Utah's roster are either high school dudes
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: or they're smaller school guys that you're just like, Okay, cool,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: Creed Winte more Mississippi State. That's a bounce back guy,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: all right. That's the vast majority of your players that
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: you're gonna rely on are guys that came through the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: more traditional pipelines that were used to with Utah football.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: So Larry Simmons is one of those smaller school transfer
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: guys who had a really nice year last year. For example,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: we were talking about how the power for retread at
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: Tobias Merriweather did not work out well for Utah last year.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: The powerful bounce back guy in the wide receiver room,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: but the smaller school one of the smaller school transfer
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: guys at the wide receiver room, Larry Simmons did Ryan
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: blanking on names now, but the Ryan Davis RD from
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: New Mexico another one in the receiver room.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean like Blake Cotton was really good.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: Blake Cotton was really good. You see Davis kid, right,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: the I like Luca Colorrella. He's a junior college guy. Right.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: You mentioned Larry Simmons, you mentioned Rock Caldwell. They really
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: really like him. He's a junior college guy. You miss
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: on some, you hit on some. Devin dan Pier is
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: the best example. Levanni de Mooney is a bounce back
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: guy because Stanford was one on your level when he
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: came was Sham Parker was a smaller school guy. Unfortunately
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: for Washington State. We have to talk about them as
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: being a smaller school now.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: It was almost because that was the first year of
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: Wazoo not being part of the Power four. It was
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: almost like it's almost like BYU Independence era, where it's like, yeah,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: they're probably higher than group of five, but they're not
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: quite a group of at Power four, like they're like
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: the middle ground. It was almost a bounce back guy
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: with with was Sham Parker. But yeah, okay, good news,
• 1:25:43
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  Speaker 4: appreciate the invite to come on and chopping up with you.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: So things are good. It's so busy because you know
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: you're on the precipice of the Super Bowl week. I
• 1:27:13
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• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: Lander Barton, by the way, a guy who had some
• 1:27:20
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 4: It's just you know, it's it's been a busy time,
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about this Super Bowl matchup. The
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks are I think they're one of these teams
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: where when you look at how they have played, it
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: makes perfect sense. If you just look at the roster
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: on paper and you look at a relatively new head coach,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: you're like, how the hell did these guys get here
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: with this group? Because it's not this like megaflex superstar
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: driven roster. When you see the how and why of
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: Seattle got there, how do you explain it?
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  Speaker 4: It's really impressive. Number One, I think was there eight
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: total vacancies this offseason at the head coaching spot, And
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: I think all eight of those teams, whether they have
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: their coach or they're still looking for the head coach,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: are all hoping for the type of impact that Mike
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: McDonald has had on Seattle on a very short period
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: of time. Like I would also make a case for
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: Ben Johnson, I think there's now and once again i'd
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: almost make a case and sometimes user outlier situations Mike
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: Rabel as well. I do think Tennessee, for example, as
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: a team with Robert Salo, that's going to look a
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: whole lot like uh, like what we saw from New England.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying they're to go to the super Bowl,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: but I think the amount of spending that New England
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: was impressive. But getting back to your original question on Seattle,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: what Mike McDonald was able to accomplish as a coordinator
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: in Baltimore. We saw what happened when Zach word took over.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: The last couple of campaigns didn't necessarily look the same.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: I think injuries this past season part of that with
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: the Ravens, but a different type of culture that was set.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: And it's not a knock on Pete Carroll, who I
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: think is a future Hall of Fame Hall of Famer
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  Speaker 4: in his own right and did a remarkable job. I mean,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: the guy won the Super Bowl with Seattle like he
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: knew what he was doing there. But John Scheider, their
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: general manager, the roster construction has been nothing short of spectacular.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: You can point to different deals. The one that certainly
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: is really paid dividends is Rashid Shaheed. I think there's
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: teams that sulp and pray at the trade deadline if
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: they pulled the trigger on a move that they get
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: that type of impact from the player that they go
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: and acquire. I think, you know, looking back at that
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: San Francisco game, that return for a touchdown and that
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: was your part. That was like a tsunami, and I
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: felt like San Francisco never got an opportunity to come
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  Speaker 4: up for air. I mean, it was a title wave
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  Speaker 4: in their direction and it didn't it didn't go their way.
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  Speaker 4: But to me, this is as impressive a year as
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: you're going to see. They have been a dominant football team.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: They've won different ways, whether it's special teams, their defense.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: When Sam hasn't played well, their defense is stepped up.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: You know, at times when he's had to make critical throws.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: I think there's people that still probably doubt his ability
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: to do so, and yet he's been able to win
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: them some games. So this is this is a very,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: very complete team and I don't think anyone should be
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: surprised right now that they're playing for a championship.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: What lesson should we the NFL football fanler maybe other
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: NFL teams, What lesson is there to learn from the
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: Sam Donald trajectory? And I guess, to a lesser extent,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: the Mike Rabel trajectory as well, but Sam Donald specifically
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: for now, what should we learn from what we have
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: seen from him? Jets more pointedly, for me, Vikings move
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: on and then it's like win a super Bowl with him?
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: It's wild. And you know, I made reference to the
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: East West shrineble and I got an opportunity to talk
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: about a couple of different quarterbacks that were down there.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: I think maybe the most notable is Kid club Nick,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: who obviously had success at Clemson. And I've had this
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: conversation Sean. I think you and I have even talked
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: about this on some of the shows that we've worked
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: together on over the years. But you know, some of
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: the other guys that you know have played in the league,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: and you start doing the evaluations, and I have heard
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: this so many times and I am such a believer
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: in it, and it makes total sense to me. But
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: why fit matters for a team and not just fit
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: at the quarterback spot, but more specifically the staff and
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: the coaches that are around you. You can't say enough
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: about having a guy God. I remember I had this
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: conversation with EJ. Manual, and EJ, who now works at ESPN,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: does a ton of stuff over there, and he did
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: the combine with us a few years ago. That was
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: Bryce Young and CJ. Strouds here at NFL that work,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: and I remember having this exact conversation. He said, you know,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: I got to a spot and I don't know if
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: I was put in the best spot to succeed. And
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: I guess his point was understanding my skill set coaches
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: who a believed in me but also knew how to
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: put me in a position to succeed. He goes, there's
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: a lot of brilliant minds in the NFL, and sometimes
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: from a coaching perspective, they're only able to execute with
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: a player that can do things their way, and sometimes
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: the coaches don't necessarily adapt to the actual player. Now,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: I think the case for Sam had maybe that's a
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: part of it. But I also look at an offensive line,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: you know in New York when he played for the Jets,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: that was a revolving door. I don't know how consistent
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: that wide receiver group was in his time with the Jets,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: and I think once he got a better offensive line,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: once he got a defense, once he got arguably you know,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: the best wide receiver in the game, by the way,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: and he's played with Justin Jefferson and now JSM You
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: can make an argument it's like, okay, like he showed
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: everyone what he do in Minnesota, and that's why it's
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: wild that they ended up moving on from him. I
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: do get it because of the business of the NFL
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: and Jajon mccartheyen's draft stock. But to me, I think
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: it's as simple as two things fit with an organization
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: and the coaches that are around you.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: Mike Yam is our guest NFL Networks Mikeyam for end
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  Speaker 2: of the program talking all things in the league. Okay.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: So on the other side you have Mike Rabel, who
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: got the coach's treatment that Sam Darnold got as a player,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: basically where maybe blame was misassigned, maybe fit was the
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: most important thing. No surprise. I think for many that
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: the place where he has had so much success as
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: a player is also a spot where now he's back
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, this time as a head coach.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: But is there a lesson to be learned there? I like,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: if I'm a Vikings fan or a Titans fan, right now,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: I'm watching these two prominent faces that were once part
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: of my organization on their way to a Super Bowl
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: and looking at my front office and going, what are
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: we doing making those types of decisions?
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's really it's wild. And Sean, you were
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: cutting out there, and I know I heard a couple
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: of the names that you dropped out, But what was
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: the team that you were referring to?
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: The Titans?
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, because Rabel they had him and then
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: he yeah.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But here here's what I'd say about Tennessee. And
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: I threw this out and I kind of name checked
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: them because I think there's a real path for the
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: Titans to have a similar trajectory next season. And I
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: think there's a lot of pressure right now in the
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: front office to be able to do what we saw
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: in New England. Do I don't know if the story
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: is told enough. In my mind about book, Rabel deserves credit,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: but I also look at the Patriots who spent about
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty million dollars had a ton of
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: cap space this past year. If you just compare roster
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: Rabel aside roster this year roster last year, it looks
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: like a completely different team. And I'm not I'm not
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: saying that Rabel does deserve credit currently does and I
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: think we saw that in his time in Tennessee. Like
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: it's a really good football coach, and sometimes messages don't
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: always always resonate. I think that salah And is then
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: a good spot. There was a report and Sean, you
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: know this because I'm from the Northeast, I'm a Giants
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: fan and I'm ecstatic about Harbaugh. But there was a moment,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: there was a report that popped up that Harball was
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: going to watch film on Jackson, Dard and cam Ward.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: And I think on face value, you say, like, really
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: like you you'd actually consider Tennessee considering that record, considering
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: the lack of personnel that's there. I mean, I don't
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: want to sound like a fan like the Giants roster
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: on paper is better than the Titans roster, right, I
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: mean you talk about just name value alone. Malik Neighbors,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: if he's healthy, you got a left tackle in Andrew Thomas.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: You got really nice pieces on the defensive side, like
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: that Giants roster's not devoid of talent. And I'm sitting
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: there going, well, Harball is looking to have tape cam
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: Ward I love, by the way, as the quarterback. I
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: think there's real upside. But I think John sat there
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: and said, now, I think, look, you pay the guy
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: one hundred million dollars and you know it's a great
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: deal and he's going to have so much control. But
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: for a moment, I said to myself, whoever gets that
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: Titans job, like they're going to be in a position
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: to have major success in year one with all the
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: cap space that the Tennessee Titans now have, any spending
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: spree could be pressure to go and execute right and
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: like find the right guys that are there. But I
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: think beyond just and Sean, you know this because you played,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: like what's that old adage, it's not just about the
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: x's and o's, it's about the Jimmys and joe's. And
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: right now, Tennessee did have a whole lot of jimmys
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: and joe's. Last year's Patriots team didn't have a whole
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: lot of Jimmys and Joe's. So do I think it's
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: been elevated with a guy like Josh McDaniels, by the
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: way as their offensive coordinator who has worked magic in
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: as an OC versus his time as the head coach. Sure,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: but I do think that roster has been dramatically elevated
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: from last year.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: To this year, which part of the massive spin of
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: this year's coaching carousel has intrigued you or surprised you
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: the most? Which move do you think bears fruit the quickest.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: Fool? So all right, I do think I mentioned Tennessee.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: You know how I feel about about the Giants and
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: Horror Boss, So like I'll just say those two. How
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: about just like a surprise in general? And I think
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: that's not just like what happens with you know, a
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: leader of the Raiders, But I also think, you know,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: their general manager in spytech, like what he does with
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: the number one overall pick, Like I would tell you
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: if you look, and there's a reason why they have
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: the top pick. And I get that, so it's not
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: breaking news. But if you look at the Raiders roster,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: like to me, it's one of the most intriguing storylines,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: and you know, maybe it's you know, klink Kuby actually
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: gets that job, which, by the way, I think would
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: be a good fit there. But I think there's so
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: many questions. Do you believe Fernando Mendoza as a franchise quarterback?
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: By the way, success at the college level does not
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: guarantee success at the NFL level, And I'm I'm saying
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: he's not going to be successful. I'm just saying you
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: you're going to put a whole lot of shifts at
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: the center of the table when you have not had
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: success at the quarterback spot. Do you feel the pressure
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: to go and says take Fernando because you need a quarterback.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: He's what everyone says is the best guy. Or do
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: you truly believe that this guy can deliver for this
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: franchise that is really devoid of talent, Like I think
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: you can make a case that that offensive line was
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: maybe the worst that we've seen in the NFL. Ashton
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: Gent heading into last year, I thought could be your
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: offensive rookie of the year. And yet every time I
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: watch one of those games, every time he got the
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: ball in the backfield, he was met basically as he
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: was getting the football, like there was no room for
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: him to operate, you know, like you talk about running
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: back tight ends and Crosby, what else is on that roster?
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: So for as much as we talk about head coach
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: and I know that's what you asked me about, I
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: think this the next few weeks here the most intriguing
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: storylines really revolve around what the Raiders do, not only
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: with their head coach, but the decision around that number
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: one pick and keeping it or training down to fill
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: multiple holes.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: Mike, I know we got to let you go. I
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: do want to flex a little bit here and tell
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: you that I have been invited to do a guest
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: lecture for a master's class at Fordham and you are
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: like the only person, You're the only person in my
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: sphere that will care about that at all.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: Well are you serious?
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: What are you?
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 6: And I can't even get an invite back to.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: Campus half the time.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 6: Let's oh, good for you.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: What's the class?
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: It's it's Business Communications for Quants, which apparently is just
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: a very very unique group of students that are like
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: all mega geniuses that a lot of them have have
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: communication like deficiencies. So I'm gonna go do a little
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: a little guest lecture you, Are you fine out there?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: To be determined, it'll probably more likely probably going to
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: be over zoom because I don't know how we'll make
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: the schedule work with a school night and doing a
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: show the next morning, et cetera. But I'm pumped about it.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: You should be. Oh my god, I am so jealous.
• 1:40:07
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• 1:40:09
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  Speaker 4: But you know, last time I saw you in person,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: I always talk about this place. You and I got
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: lunch together there. It's the closest thing to home that
• 1:40:26
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• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: that without plugging the place, because they should pay you
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  Speaker 4: if you're there. And two quants are like geniuses, dude, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean that's And by the way, I had a
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  Speaker 4: business communications class still one of my favorite classes that
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  Speaker 4: I had when I was at forty.
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  Speaker 2: Well or whatever that's worth. I'm sure I add absolutely
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  Speaker 2: nothing to the education for these people with my friend,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: but I'm excited about doing it anyway, and I will.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: I'll drop a Mike Yam reference and hopefully some of
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  Speaker 4: Oh please please, no one will. But it's all good, Seriously, man,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: I know we don't get to catch up un less
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  Speaker 4: I come on the show with you, so promise me.
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  Speaker 4: Man Like, we got to offline and just have like
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: a long, like life catch up. I got to hear
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: how the family's doing, how the multiple homes and being
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: a slum lord, what that's actually like, and the whole thing.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: So but I do miss you, man like, Honestly, every
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: time I get a text from you or your producer,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: I always smile because I really do misworking with you
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: and hopefully our past crouse in person at some point.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: But let's definitely catch up on the phone soon.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely we will. Mike, You're the man. Love you, dude,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: and enjoy this super Bowl week is coming, man, You've
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: earned the right to be there with it. Let's go, baby.
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to it, man, I really do appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: even on the day as well, So at three under,
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna be one of those guys that's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: close to the cut line.
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  Speaker 2: So that's something to watch for.
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  Speaker 3: Patrick fishburn that's your PGA Tour leaderboard update, brought to
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: you by you went to golf from the Farmers Insurance Open.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we got to take a quick one here.
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  Speaker 2: Gavin Peterson, Utah Women's basketball head coach joins us next
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: and then the airing of grievances at one thirty. Get
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: those texting fingers fired up. It's the Sean O'Connell Show
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  Speaker 2: on ESPN seven ninety FM.
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  Speaker 1: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
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  Speaker 1: Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred At ninety two one am.
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  Speaker 2: Utah Women's basketball at BYU tomorrow afternoon two o'clock tip
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  Speaker 2: off pregames at one FORTI. It's on our sister station
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  Speaker 2: ninety two to five FM. That's the beat. Utah Women's
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  Speaker 2: basketball head coach Gavin Peterson kind enough to give us
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: some time today here on the Sean O'Connell Show. Coach Pete,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: welcome back. It's been a while. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I'm doing great, man, How are you doing? Oc?
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  Speaker 6: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we appreciate you giving us some time. We've been
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: doing great. We've been having a lot of fun, obviously
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: rounding out of the middle of football season and now
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: focusing in more on college hoops and that's where yeah,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: that's where you and your ladies come in. Before we
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: get into the specifics of a matchup against BYU, just
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  Speaker 2: tell me, you know, we've had a couple of players
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: on and tell me how you feel like this roster
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: has come together and how your the team chemistry is going.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: Fifteen and six overall for people who have not been watching,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: coming off a win though eight and four at home,
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  Speaker 2: what are you thinking about the way that this team
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: is coming together.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we're right on pace to kind of
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  Speaker 6: I think hit our full potential heading into the Big
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 6: twelve tournament. We've showed signs of being really really good,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 6: and then we've also had some where you know, we
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 6: weren't connected, Uh, and maybe weren't shooting the ball as
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 6: well as we should have been just and that's an
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  Speaker 6: execution type of deal where I think that's part of
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 6: the growing process with this team when we have, you know,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 6: we have some senior leadership with a lot of game experience,
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  Speaker 6: and then we're relying on a lot of newcomers. Three
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 6: freshmen have been thrown into the fire to play right away,
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  Speaker 6: We have two sophomores that are playing and in the rotation, uh,
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  Speaker 6: and then we had, you know, a player like a
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 6: Kira Evans who's coming off a year on the sideline
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 6: with two angle injuries. So I think we're right where
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 6: we need to be. You know, we'd have liked to
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  Speaker 6: have performed a little bit better in some of those
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 6: games at home, especially against Baylor and Texas Tech, but
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  Speaker 6: that's part of the growing process and I think that
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  Speaker 6: made us tougher as we were able to bounce back
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  Speaker 6: against West Virginia and as we head in to the
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: rest of the Big twelve plays. So really proud of
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 6: where we're at, but I do think there's still more growth,
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  Speaker 6: uh and improvement to be made.
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  Speaker 2: When you talk about freshmen being thrown right into the
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  Speaker 2: fire and having to play the process of getting them
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: ready through practice. Does is it different? Do you change
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  Speaker 2: how you get the freshmen ready in practice versus the
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: more veteran players.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I think we're playing more in practice this year
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 6: than we did last year because last year we had
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 6: such a senior leaden group with so much experience that
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 6: we could make tweaks on the fly. We could talk
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 6: about game plans and they'd be able to go out
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  Speaker 6: and execute it. So we really were able to kind
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 6: of pull back and scale back as we got into
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  Speaker 6: February last year.
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  Speaker 4: I think this.
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  Speaker 6: Year's team, you know, as much as we'd love to
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  Speaker 6: scale back, we still need to give them game like reps.
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  Speaker 6: When we practice against our scout team. We want to
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  Speaker 6: make sure that those practice reps can translate to game experience,
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  Speaker 6: and I think that's why our freshmen have been able
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  Speaker 6: to slowly get better. Is just I think the valuable
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  Speaker 6: experiences from games have really paid dividends because they've been
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  Speaker 6: thrown into the knicks and now, you know, are they
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 6: really freshmen? Yes, they are, especially with some of their
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 6: decision making, But in terms of the experience, they're ready
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  Speaker 6: for the moment. And I'm excited that we have them
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  Speaker 6: and we can rely on them.
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  Speaker 2: Undefeated so far on the road, and obviously this game
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday is another road game. How does that happen? Coach?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, typically, you know, any team in basketball at
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: any level performs better at home than on the road.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: We kind of like penciled in the difficulties of road
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: matchups and maybe a loss here or there because of that.
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  Speaker 2: But so far, so good on the road. Is this
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  Speaker 2: something you recognize about your team early on?
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  Speaker 6: You know, probably I'd be lying if I said, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I think we pencil it in similar to you do.
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  Speaker 6: Let's you know, let's split on the road and let's
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  Speaker 6: take care of home court. Well, you know, we've lost
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  Speaker 6: a few games at home already in Big Twelve conference play,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 6: so we really don't have a choice. We've got to
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 6: go steal some on the road. But I think with
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  Speaker 6: the dynamic and the makeup of our team, the personalities
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 6: we have on our team, it makes traveling together fun.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 6: They enjoy each other's company. And that's the only thing
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  Speaker 6: that I can point to is that we you know,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 6: we pour into each other away from practice time. We
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: don't just go to the road or go to our
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 6: hotels and like you guys all go to your room,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 6: we actually spend time together in our meeting space. We'll
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 6: put up some you know, basketball games on the big screen,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 6: we'll play some board games, and we just kind of
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 6: hang out with each other. And I think that is
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 6: critical for team development and it can bring a team together,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 6: and you know, luckily for us it has and we've
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 6: been performing pretty well on the road. So hopefully we
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  Speaker 6: can finish strong and you know, keep that record in fact,
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  Speaker 6: but tough one this Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: Tough one this Saturday. Indeed, we'll get to that here
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  Speaker 2: in a second. I want to talk about the win
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  Speaker 2: you're coming off of, because win over a top twenty
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  Speaker 2: five squad in West Virginia, that's obviously an important little
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: feather in the cap. And I you know, you had
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  Speaker 2: four women in double digits in terms of scoring in
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  Speaker 2: this game. In previous top twenty five matchups, it's been
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  Speaker 2: harder and you've had to kind of spread it out
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more. Not obviously every game you wish
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: you had four double digit scorers. But all right, how
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  Speaker 2: are we able to achieve that against West Virginia specifically?
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  Speaker 6: You know, I think we were you know, against Texas Tech.
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  Speaker 6: Coming back from that loss, that was going to be
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  Speaker 6: a challenge in and of itself, and you know, our
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 6: coaching staff are players. We really came together and learned,
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  Speaker 6: and I felt like that Texas Tech game, we played
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  Speaker 6: a little bit disjointed. We let their full court pressure
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  Speaker 6: get to us and that just got us off rhythm.
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  Speaker 6: So learning from that, and to answer your question, I
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  Speaker 6: feel we stayed in contact and connection with each other
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  Speaker 6: on the offensive end after we you know, took advantage
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 6: of our press offense, we got a pass half court.
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  Speaker 6: We were able to find a rhythm in our half
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 6: court execution, which was lacking on that Saturday's performance against
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  Speaker 6: Texas Tech. So I think just because of that, allowing
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  Speaker 6: the ball to move, you know, finding the open man,
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  Speaker 6: that's when you know, you know your shots are going
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  Speaker 6: to come. Because of the extra pass being made, we're
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  Speaker 6: shot ready. And when you're shot ready and you're taking
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  Speaker 6: good shots, you know, chances are you're going to make
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  Speaker 6: more than you miss.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: Gavin Peterson, you tell women's basketball head coaches, our guest
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: here on the Sean O'Connell show tomorrow, you could listen
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: to their game against BYU. It's again a two o'clock
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: tip off in a pre game ninety two to five
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  Speaker 2: to beat our sister. Station is where you can hear
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: that basketball being played. So coach, let's get into this
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: now b YU in state rivalry, emotional game all the time.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: Where's BYU most dangerous?
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  Speaker 6: You know, they're they can shoot the three. They like
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 6: to play up tempo, as do we, so they're gonna
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 6: be dangerous on both ends of the floor. They have
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 6: one of the best players in the Big twelve in
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 6: Delaney Gibb and she is going to have the ball
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 6: in her hands and gonna be making plays, whether she's
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 6: setting up her teammates for open shots or scoring the
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 6: ball herself. So we have our work cut out for
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 6: us to try to slow her down. You're not gonna
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 6: stop a player like that. She's a phenomenal, gifted basketball player.
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  Speaker 6: So we just got to be, you know, making her
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 6: work for her points, work for her assists, and then
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 6: if we can do that and then execute and take
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  Speaker 6: care of the basketball on our end, I think you'll
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 6: be a very good basketball game. But you know team
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 6: down south Man, they bring it. They don't take any
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  Speaker 6: plays off. They play hard all the time. They're one
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 6: of the best rebounding teams in our league, and we
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 6: just got to make sure that we answer and match
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 6: their intensity from the jump. And if we do that,
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  Speaker 6: I think it's gonna be a great game, as it
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 6: always is between these two schools.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we do this all the time when we're
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: talking about the rivalry game. The level of emotional investment
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: from players, especially ones like transfers that come in maybe
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: halfway through their career, or you've got international players that
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: it's an unrealistic expectation to be like, hey, what do
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: they think of BYU Utah in Australia? You know what
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: I mean? Like, all right, but obviously they're all bought
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: in on being utes. And this is part of being
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: bought in on being utes, is you hate BYU and
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: you understand how important this rivalry is. But how much education,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: how much deliberate education goes into that for you?
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  Speaker 6: And you know, I think it just because of where
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 6: our season stands, a lot of the newcomers get to
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 6: experience a football game, or they get to experience a
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 6: volleyball game, and then they you know, obviously paying attention
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 6: to men's basketball, who already played them twice this year,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 6: so they understand the hype, the social media aspect, all
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 6: those things that magnify.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 4: This game between these two schools.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 6: So by the time it comes our turn to play,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 6: I always joke with the newcomers who it's their first time,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 6: it's like, give yourself three minutes and three minutes into
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 6: the game, you're gonna feel the intensity. You're gonna feel
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 6: the passion that both sides of the court want to
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 6: execute and want to win so badly that you have
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 6: no choice to just fall in line and be all in.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 6: And you know, we've been able to do that through
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 6: the years, and it's fun. I actually enjoy the rivalry.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 6: I have fun with it. I don't write in blue pen.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 6: I make it a point to let that be known
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 6: to our team, and I joke about it. I try
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 6: not to use the letters. I always say TDS. But
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 6: it's just all funny games. There's a lot of respect
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  Speaker 6: between our programs. I love what they're doing down there,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 6: and you know it's for forty minutes. Let's get after it.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 6: And you know this year, as just like last year,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 6: we get to play them twice, so once down there
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 6: and once year, so it's gonna be a fun.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: Year as we as we round closer and closer to
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: tournament time, how much will you adjust the way that
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: you handle practice workloads, injuries and more bumps and bruises
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: knock on wood than significant injuries to deal with and
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. But you've got to be peaking at
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: the right time, which is a theme in college basketball
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: and something you and I have discussed before. As you
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: as you go through all the data and the study
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: and the science of maximizing what your team is capable of,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: how do you handle it?
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, rely on people smarter than me. First and foremost.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 6: We have a sports performance team that that team is
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 6: comprised of athletic trainer, our strength coach, our sports scientists,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 6: and also our sports psychologists. They're meeting weekly. They update
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 6: me in terms of where they view our players and
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 6: where we what for them to kind of be at
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 6: their best when their best is needed. And to be honest,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 6: I just rely on them a tremendous amount and I'm
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 6: able to with our coaching staff adjust as we go.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 6: But I think, you know, allowing the information serve and
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 6: be useful for you to bet your best, it's something
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 6: that I accept. I actually that information is being brought
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 6: to me early and we can make those decisions, so
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 6: we can't taper up if needed to do so or
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 6: and there are times when no, sometimes we have to
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 6: ramp it up to make sure that they know that intensity,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 6: uh and then be ready for game day. So it's
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 6: the ebb and flow of the season. And you're absolutely right.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 6: During college basketball season in the month of February, as
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 6: we close, as we're really close to February, those are
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 6: when tough teams, the gritty teams, those ones that win.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 6: And with a young that is our goal, that is
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 6: our charge. We've got to roll up our sleeves, embrace
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 6: that process, accept it, and just you know, plow through it.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: Big picture perspective, especially where the conference is at because
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: conference tournament and conference play before you get to anything
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: NCAA tournament wise, you know, you got four ranked teams
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: in the top twenty five right now in this Big
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: twelve conference, and you were obviously familiar with what it
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: was like playing women's basketball in the Pac twelve Conference
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: as well. Before that conference died, it was probably the
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: best or one of the best in the nation. And
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: that's we're well removed from that now. But have things
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: gone according to your expectations outside of your own room
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: and your own building. When it comes to TCU, Baylor,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech, West Virginia, the other teams in this league
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: showing where they're at.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think it's the adjustment process. You know.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 6: I think last year we probably thought going in we
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 6: were going to be better than where we actually finished.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 6: But that's again, that's part of going into a new
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 6: league this year. I feel, even though we might not
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 6: have the experience UH and we're playing a lot of
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 6: newcomers and a lot of freshmen, the expectation and knowing
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 6: what we need to do on a night in, night
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 6: out basis to be successful. I think we have a
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 6: better grasp for it from a coaching perspective and a
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 6: program's perspective. So I like where we're at. I really
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 6: believe that incruiting land recruiting process, we've been able to
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 6: identify certain needs and have addressed those. So we're positioning
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 6: ourselves to be really successful, you know, hopefully the rest
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 6: of this year, but also into the future with some
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 6: of the players and the talent that we are recruiting,
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 6: UH and the kids that we've been able to you know,
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 6: commit to the University of Utah, So it's an exciting time.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 6: I still think we're gonna we still have yet a
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 6: lot to accomplish this year, but I'm really excited in
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 6: the future is bright here at Utah.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: We have also talked about this in the past, but
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: you know, these these last couple of years have very
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: much felt like a moment for women's athletics and women's
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: basketball pretty specifically, where women's college hoops and pro hoops
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: is getting a lot more attention. Big time personalities and
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: star players have certainly helped that, but even companies giving
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: shoe deals out and things like that. Do you feel
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: like we're still on that upswing coach?
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 6: Yes, I think we're trying to sustain that and get
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 6: consistenters across the board when it comes to viewership and
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 6: fan attendance, and I feel, you know, again, it's the storylines,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 6: it's the personalities, and you know, because we have some newcomers,
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 6: the people that have been coming out to our games,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 6: which you know, our Texas Tech crowd was phenomenal. Phenomenal
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 6: is about three five hundred people, and we just want
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 6: to continue to build on that. But as they get
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 6: to know the game and the personalities of each of
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 6: our players. I think that's just going to continue to
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 6: grow and we can sustain that knowing that night in
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 6: night out, year into year, we are going to be
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 6: in there competing for Big Twelve championships, competing to possibly
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 6: the first second round, and those are the things that
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 6: when you do that on a consistent basis, it's a
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 6: lot easier to create that home court advantage and get
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 6: people into the stands and really following our program. So
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 6: we really appreciate all the support we get from the community,
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 6: and we just implore them to go tell a friend
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 6: or two or ten and keep making the Huntsman Center
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 6: a really hard place for our opponents to come and play.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 6: Like I said, we lost three games already in Big
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 6: Twelve play, which is very uncharacteristic of us. But we
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 6: got to do a better job of protecting home court
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 6: and giving our fans that home court advantage and that
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 6: home court feel to make the Huntsman Center a special place.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: Is the contract, the collective bargaining negotiation happening right now
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: in the W a topic of conversation with your team
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 6: No, we don't. We don't get caught up in all
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 6: that you know our coaching staff talks about it because
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 6: it's like, you know what we want to see. We
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 6: want to see a WNBA schedule, We want to go
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 6: maybe head out to LA and watch coach robertson her
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 6: staff go through training camp. We want to be able
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 6: to learn a little bit and do those type of things.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 6: So we always joke about it, but we hope that
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 6: it gets taken care of sooner than later. I think
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 6: the players deserve what they're asking for, and I also
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 6: think that people are going to continue to show up
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 6: and support women's athletics, especially at the w NBA level.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 6: But if this goes too long, I wouldn't want to
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 6: flirt on killing any of that momentum that has been
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 6: built over the last two to three seasons on their part.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 6: So let's get it done. Come on, folks.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: That's how I feel. It's it's tough. It's cool to
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: see you know this moment that I just referenced, but
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: you can't then interrupt that with the stoppagen play. I mean,
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: like that's the there's no way to sustain momentum if
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: there's no forward movement at all.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 6: No, it's gonna take three steps forward and then you're
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 6: gonna take five steps back. It's like you cannot do that.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 6: So they definitely, I know they're working hard on it,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 6: but they got to get done. They got to get
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 6: it done soon.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: Well, that's above my pay grade and even above your
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: pay grade. We'll let them handle a coach. You just
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: do your thing and go get a winning provo tomorrow.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: And as always, I appreciate your time, especially in season.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 6: Awesome. I appreciate you, my man. Thanks so Ce and gouts.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: Avin Peterson, the head coach of Utah women's basketball. You
• 2:03:53
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• 2:04:15
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• 2:04:17
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• 2:04:20
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• 2:04:23
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  Speaker 1: you by Bally Plumbing.
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  Speaker 2: Just look for the truck with the.
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  Speaker 7: Dut The tradition of Festivus begins with the airing of creakeances.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: I got a lot of problems with your people.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 7: Now you're gonna hear about it.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: Wow. We combine the airing of grievances and the Daily
• 2:05:21
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• 2:05:24
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• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: at RIALOC Sports. We'll give James some space you can
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: air his grievance. I'm this is interesting because my grievance
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: right now, one of my grievances right now is actually
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: I hope gonna be solved by the truck with the duck.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: I currently have a Valley plumbing appointment for immediately after
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: the show, James, the truck with the duck is headed
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: to a rental property I own. Because this is the
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: grievance I have, we need to, at some point in
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know, elementary, middle or high school curriculum slash
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: college curriculum whatever, we need to put home systems class
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: into the everyday average lexicon of learning. My buddy, who
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: rents from me, sends me a picture of this leak
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: in the basement, in the furnace room of this house
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: that I used to live in, right that I've kept
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: and now rent out. I have no idea what all
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: these tubes do. I have no idea what those pumps
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: go to. We don't learn these things in school, and
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: because of that, we have to call plumbers to handle
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: things for us. Now, hopefully you can find yourself an
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: honest plumber like the truck with the duck, like Robin
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: Company at Valley Plumbing, and then get it taken care
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: of with relative ease. But if not, man, you aren't
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: done for He sends me a picture of this pump, James,
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: I lived in that house for five years. Ask me
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: how many times I even noticed that this pump exists.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: The answer is zero. Okay, I don't know what it does.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know why it's needed. So if it's a
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: grievance with myself, fine, But it's also a grievance with
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: the idea that we don't teach the practical things in school.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: We never learned in school. I'm not the first person
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: to air the screens. We never learned in school. How
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: to do file our taxes? We never learned in school.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: Most of us never learned in school how to like
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: get up on the roof and replace some shingles that
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: blow off. Most of us don't ever learn these things
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: that are just like Homeowner one oh one. If you
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: teach that class at the University of Utah at uvu
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: at Byu, maybe to your seniors in high school, it
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: would be such a valuable thing for peace people to learn. Hey,
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: this is how you find the little interrupt button on
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: your garbage disposal. This is where you replace the fuses
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: in your fuse box. Like, I'm lucky enough to have
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: grown up with a dad who would teach me those
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: things if they were ever a problem or if they
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: were ever addressed. But in an ideal world, your dad
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to teach you those things because they're not
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: a problem. So grievance with the education system not teaching
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: practical skills. We all know the Pythagorrean theorem that none
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: of us have ever used, but I don't know what
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: this pump in my basement's for, much less how to
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: change it.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: Please excuse my dear aunt, Sally. I haven't done since
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 3: algebra two, right, But I remember, I remember that, and
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 3: I know what each of those things stand for in
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 3: mathematical terms, like.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: Operations. I got it. Have you seen all those like
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: they do this on social media where they do like
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: the viral like here's the what's the answer to this
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: math equation? And it's all about order of operations. It's
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: like three plus seven parentheses like three minus two or whatever. Yeah,
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: and then there's ninety million answers underneath it, only twenty
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: five percent of which are correct. And then people are
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: arguing with one another because the order of operations is
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: not even something people internalize. And that's the stuff they
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: actually teach you. If I put a picture of this
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: pump that my buddy sent me that's leaking in my basement,
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: nobody knows how to fix it only plumbers.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 3: How about how about where your water shut off valve is?
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 3: Is another one that you only need to know when
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: it's a when it's serious problem. But but you don't
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: ever know because no one, no one taughtsa where the
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: water shut off valve is anyway, I'm talking like the
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: central the main water found, the one that's out on
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: the street, or you got one on a lot of
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 3: places that underneath your house. Yeah, that's a valid grievance.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: Grievance on the educational system. Come on, yeah, it's a bummer.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 3: Do you have any grievances you want to air?
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: I do you?
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 3: And Porter addressed this yesterday on the show. As I
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 3: was I got to listen to most of it as
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: I was home taking care of taking care of the boy, which,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: by the way, way better than work, even though even
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: though he's not he was he was a little bit
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 3: under the weather. I mean, way better than work. So
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: but but I do love I do love being here,
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: be clear about that. My grievance is the Calves Court,
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: like you talked of. You did a great job of this.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: I almost don't even need to air it because you
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 3: said almost what I would have said. How was a court.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: How is an arena an events space where the main
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: event is basketball? And how is NBA basketball not being
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: prioritized like I and and I read more about this,
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 3: Joe shout out to shoot Joe Varden on the athletic
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: he wrote about. He wrote about how the NBA and
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 3: the Calves, after the reaction that they got from Luka Doncic,
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: narrowly and narrowly invoid avoiding serious injury from falling off
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 3: of the court. Yes, he fell off of the Calves
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: basketball court.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: You're not supposed to be able to fall off of
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: the court. You're supposed to fall onto the court.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 3: And by the way, this is not March madness in
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: a in an NFL stadium where you have like feet
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: of the court's you know, a few feet above where
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 3: the bench is. This is a regular NBA arena, primarily
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: NBA arena, where someone a star player fell off the
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: court about ten inches, narrowlyvoid, narrowly avoided serious body injury. Right,
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: Joe Varden goes into wa The Calves and the NBA
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 3: are looking to change the court. Now they've had this
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 3: for thirty years, by the way, they've had this situation
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 3: where the court is ten inches above a rubber matt,
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 3: which underneath that is the ice rink. And okay, this
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 3: is a high profile injury, not a serious injury, but injury.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 3: And then they had a guy who tore his ACL
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 3: two years ago. Besides that, thankfully nothing's happened. But it's like,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 3: this is the Cleveland Cavaliers are You're prioritizing minor league
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: hockey and Disney on ice?
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah? What are you doing? Here's the thing this again.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: I know that not everyone is the biggest fan of
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: Ryan Smith. I'm very I'm in a position my job
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: is such that, like, I'm glad that we have him
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: as an owner and we have pro sports in that
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: nobody else was going to bring here probably except for him.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: And the aggressiveness with which they have made changes to
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: the Delta Center to accommodate hockey and basketball in the
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: same building, you would think, right, because we get to
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: experience it, you would think, well, every owner in the
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: league probably does this for their fan base. Every owner
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: in the league is gonna dump, you know, sixty one
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: hundred million dollars into ripping out the guts of it
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: of an arena and refitting it and redoing it just
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: so that the experience is better. And yeah, if you
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: had to rip it all out and you had to
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: dig down a couple extra feet or a couple extra
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: inches or whatever, you you bring the backos in there,
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: you crack through the old concrete floor, and you do
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 2: what you gotta do. Like that. That's what they have
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: done with the Delta Center. They're willing to do that
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: stuff with the Delta Center, this this Rocket Arena. They're
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: just like, uh, just crudely engineer a platform that the
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: NBA floor will now be on, so I don't have
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: to dig down a little bit in order to fit
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: the or don't come up with a better riser system
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: for the benches and everything else so that the NBA
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: floor is all that would be too expensive for me.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: I don't want that. Like you could easily just bring
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: it all up right, bring the bench area up to
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: the same level. Then you don't have a step down.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about any of this. I mean,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: I've made jokes, somewhat jokingly about how the San Francisco
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: forty nine ers practice facility could be a huge, massive
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: financial liability for them. Imagine if Luka Doncic hurt himself
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: in a significant way because of your floor, because of
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: your arena, because of your step down. What the Lakers
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: and Luca himself could do to you as a franchise
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: with the lawsuit.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 3: Imagine, and Lebron played eleven years there as the member
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: of the Caves in two different stints. Of course, He's
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: played at least a couple of games a year, at
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 3: least one game a year there for over twenty for
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 3: twenty three years. Imagine if on his last on what
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 3: they were billing is maybe his last game in Cleveland,
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 3: he is out for the season because he falls off
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: those ten inches, which Lebron didn't get anywhere close to
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 3: being injured like Luca did.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: But the point is any that could happen to any
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: one of.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: These players, right, and we saw Luca's the highest profile
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: example Drew Smith of the Miami Heats, the one that
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 3: tore his acl because this happened two years ago. Thankfully,
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: those are like the only two examples of guys getting
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 3: hurt that you can come up with in over thirty
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 3: years in that building.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: But I just don't You did a great job of pointing.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: Out if the jat if the Delta Center was like this,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 3: you could at least say, well, you know you gotta
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 3: you got NHL now, and at least in the NHL
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: is a big deal.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: Minor league hockey is not.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 3: A big enough deal for your NBA, your primarily NBA arena,
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 3: for the NBA court to not be prioritized over your
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: ice sheet.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: Fix it, Cleveland, it's ridiculous. Uh okay, sixteen seventy four
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: making me feel like less than a man. Then that's fine,
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: because sometimes I need that. I learned the house stuff
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: by just rolling up the sleeves and doing it. Same
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: with auto mechanic work. I do it all on top
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: of my day job, and your NW whatever that means
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: well into the Oh okay, okay, a little humble brag.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: I do it all on top of my day job,
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: and my net worth is well into the eight figs.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: Excuse us? Good for you? Wait a second? Wait, wait
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: a second? All right? Is this eight figs? Am? I? Am?
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: I reading this right?
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 3: Sixteen seventy four the text one of his previous texts.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: He says, Steve Maraz in Fullerton, California, is that you
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 3: say you? Sixteen seventy four, Steve from Fullwardton, Good for you, man, you.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: Tell me you got a net worth of over ten
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: million dollars and you're doing your own plumbing what well,
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: into the eight figs, that's what we're not talking about
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: after the decimal point, right.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a couple of figures after the decimal point.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: Thought, that's me too, because like because if you add
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: the point zero zero, if you add the decimal point,
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: and then the sense now eight figs is just like
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: you know, you're in the several hundred thousand dollar ranch. Probably,
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: But if we're talking about eight figs the way we
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: usually talk about eight pigs, this is a man who
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: rolls his sleeves up and does his own mechanic and
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: plumbing work when he's worth ten million plus. Blue collar
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: Heck yeah, dude, Yeah, by the way, better man than
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: I for sure.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 3: By the way, I'm just gonna say Steve from Fullarton
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 3: because I think that's I think that's who it is
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: that's texting it. That's actually very valid to say you
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: you learn those things by doing it. And thankfully we
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 3: have things like YouTube and TikTok to where people have
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 3: done have made it their their side hustle to like
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 3: teach the masses how to do these things and show
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 3: videos to do these things. That really is in my experience,
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 3: that's been where I've gotten the majority of my education
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: on this on this kind of stuff. Yeah, it's great,
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 3: but it's and and that is the best way to learn.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: But it's like it would have helped us at a
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 3: whole lot more if we if this was part of
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 3: our K through twelve education.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: Now, also, you're suggesting that I while there's water actively
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: leaking into the basement.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 3: Video, I mean, it doesn't take too much time. I suppose,
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 3: I guess. I mean, I guess it depends on how
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 3: bad the leak is.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: There, he goes, he confirmed Steve from Fulton. Sure to you, man,
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: that's awesome, man, I'm truly impressed, not even being facetious
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: to that's pretty great, all right, Grievance. I know it's
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: just who has the super who has the rights this year,
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: but NBC having the super Bowl and the Olympics on
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: the same day this year's the super Bowl is not great.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: I would much rather watch the Olympic. I know it's
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: smart for them having both events, but not having interest
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: in one and controlling the other. It's a bummer for
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: me and the Olympics don't start till the next day, right,
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's true.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 3: I think that they start the ninth I thought they were.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe they start next week.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: Winter Olympics start date Friday, February sixth, Okay, so a
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: few days before my bed. I'm okay with it because
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: the super Bowl for me, is always going to trump
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: even a less interesting super Bowl is always going to
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: trump Winter Olympics. And it's not like you've got the
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: the finals, like the Olympic Hockey Final happening on Super
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: Bowl Sunday. Right, Everything is just kind of like qualifying
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: events at this point, I think. But it is a
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: bit greedy, NBC. You got all the good stuff this year.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: Now it's your job to make sure you program it accordingly.
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: Seventy seventy two.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: The NBA All Star Game, like, come on, share the love, NBC.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: Seventy nine to seventy two. My agreements is with area
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: blackouts for local area teams. I'm an Angels fan. Can't
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: watch them when they play the when they play the
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: Rockies or the d Backs, even though I'm paying one
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars for MLB TV. So dumb, Yeah,
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: that's very dumb. Uh, Juan Soto also reprimanding me for
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: not knowing all my stuff. It's called the internet oc. Yeah,
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: I know I have done the YouTube thing I'm talking about.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be nice right that you don't have to
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: watch the YouTube video because you already know that's my point? Yeah, Like, like,
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: how many things did you learn in high school that
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: you have never used again? Ever? Lots? Right? If you
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: took that curriculum and you replaced it with homeowner one
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: oh one, these are things that you're probably gonna have
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: to deal with. How to unclog your toilet, how to
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: install and uninstall a toilet. This is how you put
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: a faucet in. This is what you do if the
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: faucet starts leaking. This is where you shut the water
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: off if you have a leak. This is what that
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: stupid black and red pump in the basement of your
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: rental property that you've never even addressed before. This is
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: what it is. I get it. It's just as much
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: on me. It's more on me. But I got a
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: air a grievance nineteen forty three, A grievance with having
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: to work all day outside while my wife stays home
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: with the baby.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, oh boy, I don't know if he's okay
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 3: with us actually airing that grievous Dare I say the
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: rest of this.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: Grievance with having to work all day outside when my
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: wife stays home with the baby, stay at home mom
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: is not the hardest job? And then don't tell my
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: wife I said that. Oh, I don't know if we
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: can agree with him on that. All nine of our
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: female listeners just turned off the radio and rage. Yeah,
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know why that's piggybacking off of you.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 3: By the way, did he say picking that's the piggybacking
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 3: off of James? Okay, because I said, because I said,
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 3: hold on, let me, let me home with the kid,
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 3: is is better than work?
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: Hello, missus James Peterson. Hello, Yes, James did indeed say
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: being a stay at home mom is not hard. He
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: said that on air. Yes, okay, Bye, you can talk
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: to him about it when he gets home.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 3: It's because I said I loved being home with my
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 3: with my son yesterday. By the way, still still felt
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 3: like jet still felt like I was working hard, like
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: not like, let's let's not be disrespectful to the mister
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 3: and missus moms out there, all right.
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 2: It is a difficult thing taking care of kids. It
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: is also I think what people confuse is because of
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: how rewarding and fun it can be. You might be like, oh, well,
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: this is much, this is way worth the trade off,
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 2: Like staying at home and raising the kid and having
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: fun and like the absolute joy that it is to
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: experience watching your kids learn and taking care of them
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that is far more rewarding than even
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: a fun job like this one. So I think that's
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 2: where people get confused, Like it's not hard if it's rewarding. No,
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: it's still hard, it's just rewarding. So when you do
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 2: it for a week or two weeks or a month
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: at a time, you're not like tortured by it. I was.
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: I was about as tired, if I was, probably more
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 3: tired than I was than I do it any and
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 3: than I am after any work day.
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: Right like.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 3: That that I can't imagine I can imagine that getting
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 3: like really feeling really tough to.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: Do if I had to do that on a consistent basis.
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 3: So I am not You're not piggybacking off me with
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 3: that that opinion. I'm sorry, We're it's piggyback and it's
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 3: I thought I saw piggybacking off. James thought he was
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 3: gonna say something about the Calves Court.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 2: I wow, uh oh, this is very funny, real problem
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: and real a grievance with paper cuts and slivers the
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: most pesky, irritating thing that can happen. Why do they
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: hurt so much? I'd rather be really injured. That's coming
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: in from Caden Hanson forty nine. That's paper cuts and
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: slivers are annoying. I have a strange I don't know
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: if I've mentioned I probably have mentioned this on air.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: I've mentioned everything on her. I have a very strange
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: thing James with I think. I don't think I know
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 2: my The nerves in my skin are duller than most
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: people's nerves, Like like when I get sun burnt. I'm
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 2: not trying to be a tough guy. And that's not
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 2: what this is about. Okay, I already know my exact
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: level of toughness in the world. I spent twelve years
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: fighting other people to figure it out. Okay, it's not
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: that I have like some preternatural pain tolerance whatever. When
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: I get a sunburn, it doesn't hurt. Oh, it doesn't.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: It's like mildly irritating, but it's not painful. It's it's
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: more like an itchy thing for me. Now, other people
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: are like, oh my gosh, this hurts so bad, don't
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: touch me. And I've always been like, you're a baby,
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: sunburns don't hurt. Then you realize you're you probably have
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 2: like you just said, duller, I have Duller nerves. I've
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: been tattooed extensively. There are spots on my body. This
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: is not a joke. There are spots on my body
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 2: where I don't feel the tattoo needle like it's weird.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 2: I don't feel No. There's some spots where I'm just
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: as big of a baby as anyone else getting tattooed.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: There are other spots where it's just like oh that
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: I literally I could feel the pressure. I don't feel
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 2: the like the piercing pinch or whatever. These are spots.
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 3: So when you've talked to other people who are like, yeah,
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 3: that one actually really hurts, or they're just like, well, yeah,
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 3: I mean it feels the same everywhere.
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: So I have Duller nerves than most people because of that.
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 2: Paper cuts and such like superficial tiny like skin injuries,
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: hang nails. They don't affect me the same way they
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: affect other people. Now I think I'm nice. I think
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 2: I'm the opposite. On mouth pain, like toothpain, lip pain.
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: I'm the biggest baby on the planet when it comes
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 2: to that. You get cold source. I don't get cold sores,
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: but like a canker sore will ruin my dam.
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, thankfully if that's the Since you're saying that's
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 3: the case, you should be very grateful you don't get
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 3: cold sorce.
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be very painful. And I would just I
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: would just openly cry about that. Like if I you know,
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: when you get like you're eating a tortilla chip and
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: it goes vertical on you and the tortilla chip like
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 2: jabs into your gums or something, I will be like,
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 2: uh ah, called James, I can't come to work. I
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: just accidentally bit a tortilla chip. Right, Oh, you can't
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 2: come to work. Did you get a bad sunburn? No,
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 2: it's mouth pain. I'm bad with mouth.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 3: There's no such thing, as you'd say, James, there's no
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 3: such thing as a bad sunburn.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 2: Stop being a baby. Fifty three eighty three. Grievance. Let's
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 2: get me some complain about not knowing how to do
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: simple house repairs when there's so many help of videos
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: on YouTube and diy. Man, you are getting dragged, which
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 2: is fine, but no one is able to refute the
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: point that I made about how you should teach it
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: in school. Yeah. Well, and by the way, you're not.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 3: You're not complaining about the difficulty of anything. You're just
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 3: saying it would have This is something I should have
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 3: learned before. Correct That's all you're saying. I'm not saying
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 3: there's no way for me to learn this.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, well, that's annoying, because that's what airing of
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: grievances encompasses people. We we air grievances about what annoys us,
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 2: all right, Uh eighty four to seventy three says I
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: get cardboard cuts at work and they suck. Now, have
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: you ever cuts? Have you ever seeing like the mega
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 2: like mega mega mega mega up close of what paper
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 2: looks like on the edge or what cardboard looks like
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: on the edge, and it's effectively like a woodsaw. They
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: look smooth, but it's just like that's why they hurt
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: so bad, because it's just ripping into your flesh.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 3: That's what sucks about cardboard. And the thicker, the thicker
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 3: the paper, the worst it is. So a cardboard cut
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 3: I can't even imagine. I thankfully have not. I've avoided
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 3: cardboard cuts. Sorry to hear about that. Uh, this is
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 3: also very funny. James talking about shut off alves made
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 3: me laugh.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I do not do this right. I do
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: not laugh at people for not having skills that I
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 2: think everyone should have, like I don't not with any
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: kind of genuine I think every I think every person
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 2: should know how to defend themselves in fight. I think
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: everyone should learn it. I think it should be like
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 2: requisite in some countries. It is in ours America we
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: call the greatest country on earth. Like if America, if
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: we got into a fight against Russia, like a fistfight,
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: we'd be screwed. Okay, no technology involved. They all know
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: how to fight, none of us.
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 3: Do I mean after the Pat McAfee relay race, they're
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 3: planning one of those fights.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I'm not gonna make fun of you
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: for not knowing how to do it, because you didn't
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 2: learn it wasn't requisite. If you make fun of me
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: for not being handy. That's fine, Like I laugh at
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: myself for not being as handy as I should be sometimes,
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 2: but also it's like, I mean, I'm the one who
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: did help my dad with all this stuff. I'm a
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: lot more handy than my brothers are, but I'm not
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: as handy as like the construction worker, the plumber out there,
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: the guy who apparently spent his entire life earning twenty
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 2: million dollars and then decided he's just gonna watch all
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 2: the YouTube videos and doing it himself. He's replacing a
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 2: sewer line at his sister's house, he said, and set
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 2: us like a picture of his Montana ranch on the
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: text line, I'm not making fun of that guy, and
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: I don't want to make fun of me, right anyway,
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 2: we all have.
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 3: The moral of the story is we all have holes
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 3: in things that we just don't know, things that we
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 3: never learned. And like there's so many people like sports fans,
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 3: there were there's so many things or or sports figures
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 3: that I'm like everyone everyone knows who that is and
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 3: knows what sport they play, even if you don't know sports.
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 2: And I've learned that is not the case. You know
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: what's So funny is how much time I've dedicated in
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: my life to having knowledge about things that matters zero? Yeah,
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, I've spent a lot
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 2: more time reading sports articles that I have watching how
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 2: to Fix Your House youtubees and it shows today grievance.
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 2: All right, keep texting them in. What they should teach
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 2: in school is how to correctly do taxes house old
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 2: repair you just figure out on YouTube. Okay, you could
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: do that. You could do that with YouTube. Also, Turbo
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 2: tax is free, baby, Your filing taxes is a huge pain.
• 2:31:13
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• 2:31:17
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• 2:33:00
  Speaker 8: I was disappointed to hop in the car and learned
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 8: that learned that James has zero respect for mothers.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 2: That that was them. Yeah, that was I mean, such
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: a nice guy.
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 8: It's like a sensitive tie and he just had a
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 8: child and he was raised by a mom. And to
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 8: me in the car and hear James basically say that women,
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 8: you know, should be at home, yet they don't do
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 8: anything while they're there.
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 4: Is it?
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: Am?
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 6: I am?
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 3: I landing the potgraph? You were not going to turn
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 3: me into Harrison Butcher. I'm just no how what piggy
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 3: backed off me? Without piggyback. It's so good, it's so good.
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 2: So James, the question is why, why exactly do you
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 2: hate moms? He doesn't know what to do. We got him,
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 2: got him, got me, got him. Any any grievances about
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 2: me today? Let me sure please? They're my favorite.
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 8: Uh No, I I was thinking as you guys were
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 8: discussing moms, and just like my dear mother, who my
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 8: dad's six or five, when my mom's five to two
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 8: on a good day. She's a very short, little, fiery woman.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 8: And at one point, with a father like mine that
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 8: was just always working. There were five of us eleven
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 8: and under, and this poor woman, dude, I'm telling you,
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 8: it was chaos.
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 2: I have no idea how she did it.
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 8: I have no idea how we all made it out
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 8: alive and somewhat functioning. My younger sibling is certainly much
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 8: more than I am. It is amazing what that woman
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 8: was able to accomplish. God bless my mother. I'll tell
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 8: you that much. All mothers really, Yeah, definitely, it is.
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 8: It's an unbelievable thing.
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 2: And the funny thing that my wife and I because
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 2: I'm a very I pride myself I'm being a very
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 2: active dad. I'm blessed enough to be home quite a
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 2: bit with my children and I appreciated a ton And
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: when my wife needs to do something, I'm happy to
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 2: let her go do something. And I don't I hate
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 2: when people say you're babysitting your own kids or all
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 2: dad's babysitting today. Nope, they're my children, not babysitting them.
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm doing my duties as a father. I'm raising
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: my children. But the craziest thing is how different they
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 2: act for dads and moms, for sure. And it's like
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 2: scientifically proven, and it's not just like because mom's not
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 2: as good of a disciplinarian or dad is better at it. Whatever.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 2: It's just kids react differently to their dad than they
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 2: do to their mom. It's just how I guess it's
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 2: evolutionary psychology, whatever it is. But kids don't act the
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  Speaker 2: same when it's just their mom, and they're a million
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  Speaker 2: times of words for their mothers.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah's crazy. It's interesting to consider the dynamic. And
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  Speaker 8: it's probably different for you because to your point, you
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  Speaker 8: are home quite a bit and very involved. But like,
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  Speaker 8: my dad would be gone for weeks at a time, sure,
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  Speaker 8: trips work, and he'd come home on like a random
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  Speaker 8: day and he'd be home from work, and my momd
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  Speaker 8: be like, don't get involved. We've got a thing going
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  Speaker 8: on here, a rhythm. He'd wall, what time is breakfast?
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  Speaker 8: She's like breakfast? What are you talking about? These kids
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  Speaker 8: shove cerealer in their face and I try to get
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  Speaker 8: them all in school, and he's like, okay, so what
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  Speaker 8: are we going to do the rest of the day.
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  Speaker 8: I've got I've got this handled. You haven't been here
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  Speaker 8: in weeks. You can't just show up and pretend like
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  Speaker 8: you're part of the rhythm.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 2: It was very funny when I first you know, the
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  Speaker 2: whole COVID thing set in and I was doing I
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  Speaker 2: was working for serious exam and it was like I
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  Speaker 2: was home, home, home. I was never leaving the house, home,
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  Speaker 2: working from home and all that stuff. My wife was
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  Speaker 2: just like, maybe maybe you should rent an office to
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  Speaker 2: go to just for a few hours a day because
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  Speaker 2: of that, because I was interrupting the rhythm, and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, what are you No, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: pay to leave my own house.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, but there there is some sort of benefit to
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  Speaker 8: a relationship separation, like you should miss the partner.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: One.
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  Speaker 2: We are not wired as human beings to be with
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  Speaker 2: anybody all the time. We're just not. You're supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be out hunting and gas okay, and then come home
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  Speaker 2: triumphant with a big slung over your back.
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  Speaker 8: I think it was Brett Weinstein who wrote the Hunter
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  Speaker 8: and Gatherer book that I read. It's it's it's actually
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  Speaker 8: a real thing. We are not wired to be next
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  Speaker 8: to another human at all times.
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  Speaker 2: Its just now.
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  Speaker 8: Of course, you're younger children, you know you got to
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  Speaker 8: be with mom and dad to stay alive. But functioning
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  Speaker 8: adults I don't believe are wired to be together at
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  Speaker 8: all times, go to work, come home, do the thing,
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  Speaker 8: Go be with your friends, take a little trip, little
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  Speaker 8: decompression time. You know it's it's ultimately an exercise and futility.
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  Speaker 8: You wonder why so many relationships don't work out. We're
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  Speaker 8: not wired to be next to each other all the time.
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  Speaker 2: We're just not. Sorry to James's wife in particular, Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: sorry to my wife who I know was listening for the.
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  Speaker 8: Shout out Kendall, and apologies on behalf of the station.
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  Speaker 8: The mothers everywhere today.
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  Speaker 2: We joke James is a very attentive, loving husband and father,
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  Speaker 2: indeed with a lot of respect for his working wife,
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  Speaker 2: who we also adore.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, indeed, indeed, but airing of the grievance is well
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  Speaker 8: done today, gentlemen, as I was driving around town listening
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  Speaker 8: to the program, always always a good.
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  Speaker 2: One, what.
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  Speaker 8: I heard something about you not being very handy? Do
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 8: you have to watch YouTube videos to fix things? Is
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 8: out my understanding.
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  Speaker 2: I was airing a grievance because I got a text
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 2: message my old house. I kept it and we rented
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 2: now okay, and my buddy lives there, and he sent
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 2: a pictured little video of this leak that's happening right
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 2: now as we speak in my basement, and he's like,
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 2: it's coming out of this pump, and I'm like, why
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 2: don't I know what that pump is? Uh huh, I
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 2: have no idea what this pump is. Ye, And so
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  Speaker 2: I aired a grievance that you know, you never learned
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 2: these things in school. You spent a lot of time
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 2: on quadratic equations and a squared plus B squared equals
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 2: c square European history from sixteen fifty. But I'm like,
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 2: homeowners won all one would be just an absolute coup
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 2: for the teachers of America to give you, like the
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 2: way I was kind of and you're not wrong that.
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  Speaker 8: In personal finance, somebody I think texting about filing taxes,
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 8: where like I just have my account do it and
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 8: every year is like, hey you owe this. I'm like,
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 8: why I didn't change anything? Why do I owe like
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  Speaker 8: a grand this year? I got like fifteen hundred bucks
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 8: last year? What's the difference. But when it comes to handiwork.
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  Speaker 8: I can do it, but I absolutely hate it. You know,
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 8: there are some guys out there that love it. They're like, hey,
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 8: I've got the project on side of okay, you don't
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 8: want to hang out with your wife, So you're gonna
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 8: do something for eight hours, is the truth. But there
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 8: are some people that absolutely love like home improvement projects.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that's cool.
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  Speaker 8: I can pull it off, but I'm miserable the entire time,
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 8: and some of it's learned. The other thing, the texture
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 8: made a good point, like YouTube, you can really get
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 8: through anything with tutorial videos, but no part of me
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 8: enjoys it at all.
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  Speaker 2: I don't mind watching the YouTube thing and doing it,
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  Speaker 2: but when there's water actively leaking into my basement, I
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 2: don't feel like it's the right and move correct. Yeah,
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 2: there's some things where you call the professionals for wit
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 2: a second. So the truck with the duck is on
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 2: is actually probably parked out in front of the house
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 2: right now, listening to the radio waiting for me and
• 2:40:12
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