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Talks to 🐹 Elder Statesman Si Hart about his choice of Gridlock · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to a blunt penknife.
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  The Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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  I am the most excited man in the world today.
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  And do we all know why? There is look.
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  We're in the same room, we're together.
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  Okay, wait wait wait, so obviously I am me Joe form and
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  only I'm sorry heart who you may remember, from other episodes of
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  this. I don't want the top rated
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  episode the Leisure. Hi, that is number.
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  That is number one. It will say, invasion of the
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  Dinosaurs last time. Your soul.
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  You did I did and with our lovely and much mr.
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  De friends Fraser Gregory or until we love you.
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  What the hell did you come? You didn't know.
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  We didn't tell you. No, hang on.
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  We have had a very exciting day today.
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  We have wondered the hills of Eastbourne.
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  Yeah, more Hills. And I was expecting I did.
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  Promise a walk. I'm just going to say that out
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  front. Okay, we went to the pub where
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  there was no food yet over. So we had no lunch.
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  No. What did we see on the Hills?
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  We saw some disturbing thing. We did.
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  We saw young soldiers. Oh yeah.
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  That was exciting. It's men top very hot black
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  topless man and very unhaul other topless maid.
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  We went for an afternoon tea on the we do because we're
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  incredibly middle class, we talked for about over.
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  For Bass from the moment I arrived.
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  Yeah. Seven hours now.
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  Yeah and now we are here to do that live commentary for you.
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  What life? I mean, well it's like for us it
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  is in the same room for us what we're doing today.
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  So I will hear unexpectedly with taking a trip to Syria.
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  Spree off the new series don't downtown.
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  Yeah, you didn't see that coming?
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  Did what you probably did because you saw the name of
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  them. Plus, they probably clicked on a
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  link on one in particular.
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  I did. Okay.
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  Is this your favorite Russell Davis episode?
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  I'm not sure, it's my favorite one, but it's one.
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  I'm really fond of. Yeah, I love it as well.
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  It's just Really everything is just really good.
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  I think in terms of seriously than is usually writes doesn't
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  like the openers. Yeah.
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  And he writes the closing car. Yeah of stories and as you said
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  to me earlier whilst we're having our middle class only T.
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  You can kind of hear us see Davis's voice stamp, toga
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  everything. Yes.
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  But this is him doing like a rare sort of not midseason, but
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  an early in the season he doesn't always do These episodes
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  does it a regular episodes? Yeah.
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  Well those are two from Clause was when the other one, wasn't
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  it? But that was a last-minute one.
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  This one was always planned. And yeah, I know Castle is
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  linked into the season as well. Yes.
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  Yeah of course there's a coup for you.
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  The return of a fabulous old monster mitt bit the macra.
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  Oh my back is oh yeah. Okay why do you sort of an old
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  friend or two old friends. The face of BOE i1 and Cat.
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  None woman. Thank you very much cat, num
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  woman and she's known. So what we watching today today,
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  we're watching Sleeping. Yes, today we are watching
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  gridlock, I think this is phenomenal, I love it for we
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  even go. Yeah and I one of the reasons I
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  think this is really, really good.
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  Is I think it gives Martha rapper.
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  Send the show after going on these like, little trip.
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  I know that isn't result of later in the season, but I love
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  the scene at the end of this way.
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  She yeah, she's not having any of it though.
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  She's had enough. It's like, I'm going to stay
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  here until you tell me. Yeah, fantastic.
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  Okay. So how do you find unless you're
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  couple of questions for we going?
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  Well, there's a shock laughter, you know how I do love to ask a
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  question. So, the question for you, okay,
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  free management is Martha lover. Oh, I really love her.
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  You know, fix you. Is really underrated and she's
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  giving a bit of a bum deal in the show where she's lumbered
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  with that awful. I'm in love with the doctor but
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  he doesn't love me and she deserved better.
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  I'd really like my fur is really strong all the way through this
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  season, don't you think there is amazing?
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  I think I think rested pays his long games.
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  So he did it with rose and tenant, in series to, without
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  kind of smart could have been on Michael.
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  And then, at the end of the season, they're punished
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  terribly. Yes, for that.
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  And in this is And it's this whole, you know, one more trip,
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  one more trip, you're not Rose. And then at the end of the
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  season, she's like, you know what fuck you
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  in between rows and actually, she holds her own her own
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  through this season when they all come together.
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  Oh, I think it's rose. That is on the back for, I
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  think. Yeah, after a donger, really,
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  I'm not in the yeah, I love the. They have a relationship where
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  they're not at each other's throats, may just really like
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  each other but the doctor thinks they're gonna dare and she's
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  like, a whatever. And my other question is this
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  series 3? Yep, as I know there's an
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  episode of seriously that a lot of people like and you do Don't
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  I know. Now, I might actually save that
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  for because we because we're going to talk about that one
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  later with with lovely Frieza, we are going to talk about a
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  soda, but as a whole series through, it's all right, I will
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  have somebody favorites. It's it's just, I don't know.
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  It always feels like it's a bit of a middling season, but that's
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  not true because it's got some tremendous highs, I human nature
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  and the family of blood is one of my favorite yuto.
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  Yeah, Utopia is Guy, fabulous, and Derek Jacobi is awesome and
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  it's real. I think the bursary stories of R
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  is a good good opportunity. So got Smith and Jones, the
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  Shakespeare code, and gridlock. I think that's a great start.
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  I'm secretly always loved the letting this experiment and it's
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  actually a really underrated where they had at the end.
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  Of what was it, the Runaway Bride, where they had the clips
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  of the next season as in the trailer and just got Mark,
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  data's coming out and say I am 72 years old and I am reborn
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  that became a quote in my house. Every time I looked rough, let's
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  show he came out of the bathroom Velma Barlow in that.
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  Yeah. Oh my God.
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  Yeah she was When have we ever look down on
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  Doctor Who for having a crap monster?
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  If 3 is middling for you? What is like your top?
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  Two favorites? Okay.
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  Five, I'm really love. Now I'm a bit torn here because
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  I've just finished, re-watching series 12 and I found that I
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  absolutely absolutely adored That season.
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  Well I obviously like everyone I really liked one and for for for
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  for me. Yeah, P.
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  But for has a, has a huge dip in the middle.
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  What their doctor's daughter. Yeah, let's see how he won.
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  But it is the only one and the rest are all is just love that
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  that Run from unicorn. There was fruit or stolen.
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  Yeah my God. Yeah.
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  But I certainly wouldn't think that's beautiful vibrant that
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  all that is because fight. Yeah I just forgot really love
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  God. So we're not starting.
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  All right, we're not starting on that, I love you, Steven Moffat
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  revealed on a podcast. The other day that I was, in
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  fact, Steven Moffat in Disguise, it should be sent back in time
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  to this is or forward in time and backwards.
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  And you would think that But actually what this is, is a form
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  of therapy and it's just self-hatred.
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  I hate myself and all my work. There we go.
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  Okay. Okay so that will shock that,
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  let's have a marvelous episode. Let's do it.
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  Let's do it. It's doing the actions.
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  So we're heading to new. I think it's the Wi-Fi family.
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  Would you care to canvas in? Well, of course, all right, here
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  we go. Start again, five, four, three,
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  two, one, let's go. It's Sally.
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  Calypso my cover, the traffic news and yeah, 15.
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  We've got the subtitles on. So, if this supposed to be the
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  two people in this car, yeah, there is a genuine case.
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  There is yes, off the Amish people is He look just look at
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  these suits. What I love about the episode is
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  that every car is different. Oh yeah.
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  And they're all completely disparate and it reflects their
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  personalities and assigning. Yeah, I think you did.
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  He's sleeping. I can't remember which way but I
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  did not live still think this is Murray gold breastfeeding.
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  Okay bye. I quite like the season series
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  for one where it's all adventuring, but I don't think
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  he ever gets as good as this one and I just think the titles are
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  clean. They're simple and they're fast.
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  I watched some of others and self hate myself.
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  And the time it was in that art garish, it's like a Jackson,
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  Pollock, gone wrong. Remember when I watch Rose and
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  they said Doctor Who is hurtling back to BBC One and the titles
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  crashed in and the titles were they just seem super fast and
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  that's all yeah style. But with the orchestra and so
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  good here is Because it goes up and up and
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  up. He's lying to her now.
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  Yes, he's basically giving the impression that Gallifrey still
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  exists, so, it does still exist. Although we are, but he doesn't
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  know that. Don't know that night and he
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  doesn't know that yet. Yes.
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  And none do very much with it. Like, Amy Beyond The Deadly
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  Assassin. Wow, no, I don't mind.
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  Okay, they're B, that the Assassin or like, and it's sort
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  of like, how could one piece of latex be?
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  So, moving job Aramis. A lot of work.
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  That's why we like to mention it.
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  Yeah. Okay.
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  Okay. So I think this is genuinely
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  just a wet day in college. I wouldn't be at all surprised,
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  but this has a really distinct visual.
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  Yeah. It does and very different to
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  New Earth as it turns out which we can say.
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  Yes, great. So you've got the undercity here
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  was. Yeah, basically like the slums
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  and then you've got the motorway, which is a very blade
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  runner-esque. Yeah.
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  Setting. And then you've got the over
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  City and I think that's some of the best.
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  Yeah, that's gorgeous. How old is just found good, well
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  done more for you, tell him off. Oh, she would have to be Irish.
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  Opossum happy. This is the same thing as I
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  think what Rusty Davis does here as well.
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  Is we start off on the low level?
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  Don't wait. Yeah, and we go to the mid-level
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  and then we go to the offer and it tells a story.
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  Yes, the story progresses each time he goes up and you looking
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  mind episodes, he doesn't lot of this in Smith and Jones.
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  We go up to his personal levels. Yeah.
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  And Rose starts by going down. That's right, I'm running.
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  And then yeah, yeah, yeah. Going down under the Thames and
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  in pain. One of the ways the whole thing
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  is about that are going down and then do it up.
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  Yeah. I'm sorry.
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  And this one, never stay still like know s it threatens to
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  pause something. Have Martha's kidnapped.
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  Yes you know and then the doctors teleported.
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  Yeah. And and yeah, it just the
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  momentum builds all the time far.
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  And I'm going to compare it again to Serious MV now, but, I
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  watched earlier, there's loads of space for carrots - yes and
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  then really strong. There's her from being human,
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  which he is this me. Yes, very well.
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  Yeah, well, David Tennant, in running
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  mode and teeth mode coat, flapping.
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  Yeah, you know, started that I'll phone you Angel?
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  Yes. As always because I have a big
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  lever code like that. Oh, good shouting, fixed rate.
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  I also love in this episode. We're not quite there yet, but
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  Rusty Davis says, it's, he didn't hear Toby.
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  Hey, toke on the big finish well.
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  Yeah, whose round? Yeah.
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  And he said he was determined to show the power of like, unified
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  faith without religion. Yeah.
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  And I think he does that really well here.
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  So, he's basically showing the best of religion without.
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  Yeah, the way it brings people together but not necessarily the
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  positive. Yeah.
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  I really dislike this episode because he could not understand
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  the whole Motorway thing and how that ever came to be and how
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  everyone was patient enough to wait in it.
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  But I think if you look at, look at Paradise hours.
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  Yeah, your group of people together in a confined setting
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  which that is you find a way to develop a culture and Yeah we
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  have an analytics explained that they were tracked down there to
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  save them. Yeah.
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  So there's even a reason as to why happened in the void a
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  Wednesday? I think it's very clear that he
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  was a small but if he quite got it Smile for graphic up.
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  Now, don't convince me assholes are off.
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  They mentioned that they do. Yeah.
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  The worst. Yeah.
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  When they're on the windiest wettest day pretending that
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  they're having a wonderful time. I really love traveling with
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  you, even wear up the hills. Yeah, we were genuinely sitting
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  out in the sun yesterday you know.
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  What I love about this as well, is he could have brought back
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  anymore and stuff in there. We had a story about this.
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  Well, of course, you do was up the road in Brighton, but when
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  this was, when this was on my brother stacked, I'm close to
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  me. I didn't know.
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  You don't know. There's a long time ago.
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  Anyway, yeah. We In Burlington for this
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  episode and we watched a bit of it in the window of a TV shop,
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  as we were walking past, so we saw a little bit and put on up,
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  which watch it when we get home. And then my phone, literally
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  just text message off the text messages were coming in.
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  So Matt Crafton, Nick Minaj and What are you doing?
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  Veronica things. That I'm all blow Hanlon.
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  Yeah, I don't know if you've heard
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  about actors but they can portray many different people.
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  What you see is what you get from me?
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  That's very true. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Very impressive.
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  Could you imagine if this, yeah, they would have all those on.
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  This does feel Point Brian Williams.
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  I think, yes, I have been casket a very good rapping dogs who,
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  you know, you remember survival. Yeah, I don't know.
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  Yeah, awesome. 55 of sorry, she has none of the others have got
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  tails. What about other feral cats?
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  All those sort of lions on they answer.
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  Yeah. Yeah, they did.
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  Absolutely. I like the drama of the
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  situation and he can't get out of there because that's
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  poisonous that there's no way out.
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  He's stuck. She just goes or what?
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  Grim just it always process. I love that leather jacket, and
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  I hair all what? Like that.
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  I love it. She did.
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  Many, many costumes. Did they really latter half of
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  the Season? She did a bit better.
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  It's got the black jacket. That was good, and it's games
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  after that maid's outfit. Yeah, human nature.
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  Oh yeah, the lot in the last episode.
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  Yeah, she looks super cool, and that's it.
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  Yeah, Oh, and the Lazarus experiment, which?
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  Well, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. There's some super cool bits.
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  Okay, okay. All these to know, all their
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  brilliant. Our first gay couple, like, I've
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  been so yay and suddenly the first lesbian couple other than
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  Vivian Faye and Professor Rumford know.
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  She's a rock and it was Giuliana Marco.
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  Yeah. Wow.
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  Thank you. And you know what?
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  This is kind of an absurd scenario and they all play it
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  for real. Yeah, exactly.
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  And that's what you've got to do and don't because you make yeah
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  you make the Absurd seemed real model.
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  Yeah. And this is their culture.
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  Like we said earlier, this is their culture.
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  They made something out of this. So you've got cold spots, as
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  you've got different things happening, you know, the bit
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  where they sing the song. That's what I think.
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  That's what I think. Yes.
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  Even though the situation might not be real.
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  The emotions and the Pea The way people are reacting is real all
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  the time. All the bay in lava monsters.
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  When Jackie confronts Elton? Yes, I'll or great.
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  That always gets me is when Rose comes back to Earth in The
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  Parting of the ways. And she sound like that big
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  kids, that there is something better than this and it's so
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  real. You remember the bit with her in
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  Jackie's language because that's how good?
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  Yeah, serious. Now try hard as I my I could go
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  looking for those moments in locket.
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  Six seasons and all the ones you and far between.
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  But there aren't many because he wasn't as interested in telling
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  those stories. I think he was more interested
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  in stories and characters and I think Rusty Davis was more
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  interested in characters. Yeah.
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  Here we go. But you know.
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  Okay, so I've heard of criticism because you know what, people
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  are throwing people aren't perfect for Baker.
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  To be a wanker. Yeah.
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  Like the observation of time exactly Conley Baker could
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  definitely. Yeah.
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  So first of McCoy put a screw hell.
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  Yeah. Just But Sophia Eldridge was
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  getting he shoved her in that tank and said right?
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  Smash it I'm joking I'm joking but he has the guy playing
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  Brannigan has eaten much dramatic work.
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  Yeah he went on to be in. Death in Paradise.
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  I want to keep her place. He replaced the new Doctor Who
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  Christmas special the new showrunner petrik time, or now
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  hang on Neil Gaiman. I've heard them all means.
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  Yeah, everyone know Russell T Davies is coming back.
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  You can do so right now. Yeah, I'm sure my guess what's
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  coming up? Yes.
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  it is, yeah, it's a funeral hymn and it's But I don't want to
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  come out beautifully done and everyone singing.
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  Everyone knows the words. This is their thing that brings
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  them together and keeps them together.
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  It feels like a community and what we moved, 20 minutes but it
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  feels real I'm going to ask you a question, just right away.
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  Hmm. Okay.
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  This is why, it's good to ask question because it's a good
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  segue until you sound like, okay, five, four, three, two
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  one. So, I've got a question for you,
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  then, how do you think this compares to the other doctor, a
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  story that has a human hair and is attempting to suggest Unity
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  Like a real purpose in the song, that's the rings of akhaten.
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  I think, this is probably more successful at bringing a fairly
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  realistic Society together. But I know you like things and I
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  can tell you, I mean, I prefer, I think, The song Here is more
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  heartfelt that. Yes God wake up.
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  Go to sleep. Yeah.
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  The stranger to come with marigold that I notice is he
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  moves away from doing wonderful? Poppy.
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  Brilliant songs when he writes songs more into really overblown
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  Coral things as he goes along anyone One, who was at the
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  Doctor Who 50th anniversary prom will remember his awful 50th
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  Anniversary him, which is, it was just so awful.
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  It was cut out of the TV show and was not at all memorable and
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  was just a lot of wailing and noise from what I remember of it
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  on the day so I think is best song.
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  Great was what was that the stowaway stowaways really good?
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  Open the door, poison your lungs.
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  And the music. Yeah, it's really exciting.
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  Isn't it? How it is?
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  Ladies. Yes.
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  how it should have been wrong, I have no qualms with them doing
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  an animation that That's another cat person or something.
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  It's there. What was forget about her.
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  Why she got two young girls I'd read.
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  So they look like they're still virgins.
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  Is that her children? Yeah.
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  Or say to this baby. She's going to sacrifice
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  Yes. And I did wonder whether because
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  getting the text messages saying, all the macro back, I
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  was there for you can. Well, we know it's one of these
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  stories of, there's lots of gas so that obviously manipulating
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  the whole of humanity so that they can Harvest them and it's
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  all a few hallucination because they've got hallucinatory gas
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  and able semantics, but it could have worries.
• 35:40
  I love to but it's an automatic. That would be cool with very
• 35:45
  soul-destroying. Steve Harry Sullivan in
• 35:47
  Possible. Oh my goodness.
• 36:12
  Just like at my TV was Saturday to Arms reveal.
• 36:16
  Okay, because that got me completely.
• 36:18
  Yeah, no one. Yeah.
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  Didn't see that coming? Okay, here's a question for you,
• 36:23
  okay? You think she does in the
• 38:15
  That we forgive those rights tried.
• 38:17
  Honestly. Bill's, just, I'll smile.
• 38:23
  I know really did it behind it around until it stopped.
• 38:28
  Although I do like hanging around with Mackey and hit.
• 38:33
  Hey Evelyn, Sia, looking good. That was in, that was in the
• 38:40
  trailer. Yes, look like Empire, Builders
• 38:43
  to me. Yeah.
• 38:53
  But you know how the time now fans will always be our wish.
• 39:13
  David Tennant was Helen and road.
• 39:15
  Yet, every time I every time I see a pole is 10 and a rose,
• 39:18
  they're all still talking about. So, maybe like he's talked to
• 39:22
  who he's him for your dad. He's the new series.
• 39:25
  Tom Baker isn't. He'll always be the default
• 39:28
  doctor. Do you know, what, the best
• 39:31
  rated I ratings season? Is it's, it's range.
• 39:38
  Is it? Because for was a slow build,
• 39:40
  but it builds to a real high. So yeah, but it's yeah, for the
• 39:44
  only one that tops, an average of eight me.
• 39:45
  Yeah, all the and all the others drip.
• 39:48
  Yeah. Yeah.
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  They all. Drift and it's it's shocking
• 39:51
  thinking back that just one slot so high.
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  But it's down to 6 million at the end.
• 40:00
  So it, yes that's forgiving. And yet when Jodie Whittaker
• 40:04
  came, when you take the average I supposed to specials actually
• 40:16
  I know there's only a few of them, but I think the average
• 40:18
  says about it. Hey, Liam.
• 40:20
  Yeah, never million. She was so good.
• 40:25
  So hang on, they all took a drug and it killed them happy.
• 40:29
  I don't know if it was happy happy.
• 40:31
  I don't think it was anger made it with anger but it mutated and
• 40:34
  killed them. And that's a very Rusty Davis.
• 40:37
  Yeah, and little chemical 20 minutes - oh my God.
• 40:45
  Not Bliss from Bigfoot. Somebody heard a few, I only
• 41:04
  depending out these days. If you heard her name, always
• 41:07
  just feels like it's in inverted, commas or white kind
• 41:10
  of me. Yeah.
• 41:12
  You know, that cat makeup is after, after this, I took my
• 41:23
  nephew my picnic He was 62 come to a doctor who's signing, which
• 41:27
  was up the road, and she was just wonderful with him.
• 41:31
  Did you give me those headed? I bet it was a Charming people's
• 41:35
  you. Did you make three graduate?
• 41:37
  Yes. Well, she Charming.
• 41:38
  She was tall. My friend was lovely.
• 41:43
  Yes, I have my job back. And she just looked
• 42:19
  is the most ridiculous thing I can imagine seeing.
• 42:23
  It's so sad. When you've got to you've got to
• 42:32
  know very much about him in his first story he doesn't say
• 42:36
  anything is how the ACT. Yeah.
• 42:39
  And the second one where he's just chicks book enigmatic.
• 42:43
  Yeah. And Gee materializes.
• 42:48
  Yes just makes me laugh. It's when the doctor says, it's
• 42:52
  alright. Come in when he's like, guys.
• 42:54
  Yeah, this is a Les takes on the floor, but that's the power of
• 43:01
  dr. Exactly.
• 43:02
  If you can got good active and could write in, you get carried
• 43:05
  along with it, and this is really great writing.
• 43:09
  Like I think people forget because Rusty Davis, right?
• 43:13
  The Blockbusters, doesn't it? Yeah, know what normal?
• 43:18
  Alright, he is in general and I think when cut loose a bit like
• 43:23
  Moffat with something like heaven sent when I could just do
• 43:26
  his own thing Yahweh from all of those melodramatic trappings of
• 43:31
  an art. Yeah.
• 43:35
  It's so good. Yeah, you were genuinely think
• 43:41
  you'd have stopped in the middle of the Ark and when I don't even
• 43:54
  know who you are, Drawing arrows and you've all
• 44:11
  not top with Hoops on it as well.
• 44:19
  I hear. She's so she shows us.
• 44:20
  He's got incredible faith in the dogs and this runs through until
• 44:23
  that's very important. In the finally get that that's
• 44:27
  was seeded here just kept because it's so casual.
• 44:31
  Well obviously y'all are seated here as well.
• 44:33
  Yeah, and so it is setting everything up, but you don't
• 44:38
  think about it because it's so good.
• 44:40
  You get swept along with the story.
• 44:42
  This season, takes place over a week, doesn't it?
• 44:44
  Yeah, it is. Because there are votes and
• 44:50
  posters in the wall in Smith and Jones.
• 44:53
  Yeah. And they're in yes but they're
• 44:58
  all something mentioned in the Runaway?
• 45:00
  Bride knows the tank? Yes mr.
• 45:04
  Sock, that's a yes. And Murray gold had a real
• 45:15
  talent, but drumming up the excitement and he got a bit
• 45:19
  tired by the end, that these early schools are really great.
• 45:23
  I find like, in the he's not in the latter house, just tired.
• 45:26
  He would you say? Yes and some of it like stuff
• 45:30
  like in heaven sakes. Yeah, amazing.
• 45:32
  He can survive. Yeah.
• 45:34
  When second, a cannoli came along, it was absolutely, yes,
• 45:37
  definitely. What story was that they
• 45:47
  discovered is my birth story. So there we go.
• 45:50
  The first story aired after I was born.
• 45:54
  If I'd been born a little bit earlier, would have been haunted
• 45:56
  by it work. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:10
  yeah, like that feeling of something big to look at that.
• 46:23
  like this, this episode packs, a lot of dessert with 35 minutes
• 46:29
  in And we've seen so much happened so far, and I'm wetting
• 46:35
  that they kind of the detail in the world building and the
• 46:38
  carrot. Yes.
• 46:40
  And you feel for them all because you've got, we've only
• 46:44
  spent a little bit of time with them, but we got to know,
• 46:48
  they're so well, sketch that you know who they are.
• 46:52
  Like, how can you not love David.
• 46:54
  Uh-huh. And he just has like, how can
• 46:58
  you not get swept away with this?
• 46:59
  Like what I can? Ey.
• 47:01
  Public fell in love. Ya drive up.
• 47:14
  Mom. Crow.
• 47:52
  Imagine how you're not bad at all.
• 48:02
  Wonderful and white the see Josh's the since we are because
• 48:06
  I remember that you were in the trailer with that.
• 48:09
  That's it. Yeah.
• 48:19
  Incredible. Yeah, I know it was the Cold
• 48:27
  Blood yet when Amy and Tyler and about making the negotiations,
• 48:33
  is it in into the world? Yeah, it's platform.
• 48:37
  One, we've seen enjoy the whiskers time.
• 48:39
  I'm not sure but it's that is the walls.
• 48:46
  Yeah, always give it away. That kind of Sandy look, listen
• 48:51
  to the music here. Hang on.
• 48:54
  There's a piano score. The comes in Supply supposed to
• 49:01
  be lovely. I like what is music can be
• 49:06
  hysterical. Sometimes it can be really a
• 49:09
  motive to I Really break your heart is so good because last
• 49:17
  year in Newark, she was young and I'm played at Young and here
• 49:26
  you really sense that she's older.
• 49:29
  She her voice is deeper and the makeup is as the first Whereas
• 49:34
  are you gonna say something to you now the okay.
• 49:36
  You said to me earlier, that's acting that has a power of
• 49:40
  acting. Oh throw it back at me, that's
• 49:44
  fine. You still quick, hang on now.
• 50:14
  Like it's it. My professor is dead.
• 50:19
  Someone has stolen parts of his mind.
• 50:22
  Will let him talk it over. Oh, here we go.
• 50:50
  And the twist of yarn. Yeah.
• 50:57
  Like hidden in, plain sight. Yeah.
• 51:00
  And it's another thing I think on the whole I see oversized
• 51:03
  better and that is these archive.
• 51:05
  Don't think they're too intrusive know.
• 51:07
  So you've got lots of individual just enough Intrigue to keep you
• 51:10
  going. Yeah.
• 51:11
  And it just sort of it sits on top of an individual episode
• 51:15
  rather than something like let's kill Hitler.
• 51:19
  A good man. Goes to be.
• 51:20
  Yeah, this is so good. Like this is another thing as
• 51:31
  well. I genuinely think Russell T
• 51:34
  Davies trust his actors so that gives the material to that is
• 51:39
  challenging and this scene is beautiful.
• 51:54
  Go Martha. Some confidence as well to shift
• 52:25
  tones. Like this has we've had some
• 52:26
  holiday trauma science fiction. This is religious leanings, and
• 52:35
  this is proper character work, that's really is.
• 52:39
  Yeah, I don't think it was quite as good again, until you came
• 52:46
  along. So I can chip will sign.
• 52:49
  My thing is not really strong. But the people that say that
• 52:56
  David Tennant couldn't act as that he's home, watch TV is a
• 53:01
  great actor. My is this is understated.
• 53:07
  It's beautiful. And that's when I think his
• 53:10
  doctor was at home. Yeah.
• 53:13
  When he's quiet and honest that their end of midnight, where he
• 53:20
  he's just, he's just exhausted and terrified.
• 53:23
  Yeah. Brilliant I know everyone always
• 53:30
  thinks of him as running and gnashing his teeth and shouting,
• 53:33
  and I'm the doctor on the timer. But actually, these things are
• 53:38
  the best of him. I like, I think, at the scene in
• 53:41
  the end of time between him and we'll from us.
• 53:43
  Yeah, and was seen in the cafe with him and Sarah Jane.
• 53:49
  I'll, yeah, yeah. And they're just talking and
• 53:53
  even the scene in Impossible Planet.
• 53:55
  Three Heroes when they talk about settling down.
• 53:57
  Yeah. Neither one of them can quiet.
• 54:00
  Say, you know, I will live with you.
• 54:05
  Quick was just a beautiful ending.
• 54:07
  Look at that. I say a beautiful ending to a
• 54:11
  beautiful as you. Yeah, I'm good.
• 54:14
  We go a long way. Yes.
• 54:20
  But as a final shot. Wow.
• 54:24
  But what's coming next? Oh my God, Andrew Garfield.
• 55:07
  Well, there we go. I know we like to be
• 55:09
  controversial. We certainly do well.
• 55:12
  Okay so that is the end of gridlock.
• 55:15
  She's obviously we were extremely positive for out that
• 55:20
  I would like the time. Can out now.
• 55:22
  Okay, I'm not going to ask you why people should go to their
• 55:26
  shelves and grab this and put it on straight away in the back of
• 55:29
  our commentary, right? Which was superb.
• 55:32
  I'm going to ask you to name three things about this episode
• 55:37
  that would make you recommend it.
• 55:39
  Okay? Right, one macro.
• 55:43
  Okay, that's a given. There are no such thing there.
• 55:46
  Are they evolved into to? I've been the World building Is
• 55:52
  incredible. It's so definitely done that.
• 55:54
  You don't realize it until you stop and think about it.
• 55:58
  It's so clever. The characters are just
• 56:03
  brilliant and so wonderfully sketched in so quickly.
• 56:08
  It's a phenomenal piece of work there.
• 56:12
  That's three, isn't it? Oh, Cara Dias.
• 56:14
  Get location. And macro shall I hit you with
• 56:17
  Goldman? As our can easy do three more,
• 56:19
  right? Tenant and a German bow,
• 56:22
  Activating superb performance as a human.
• 56:24
  So underrated like go watch her in this.
• 56:27
  She is terrific Travis Oliver. Yeah well I'll tell ya yeah, we
• 56:33
  both want to have sex with him and all of the quirky interiors
• 56:40
  and people there inside the calls.
• 56:43
  Yeah, the effort, they put into the set design, there was
• 56:45
  brilliant. Your favorite character in The
• 56:47
  Cars. I mean, I'll say for me is a
• 56:49
  toss-up between the nudists And the brake man.
• 56:53
  You know I don't know. I just I do like the Cassini
• 56:56
  sisters. They're just nothing.
• 56:59
  That's true. Here's a hamster.
• 57:19
  First it has been a thrill and a A juror and an honor, it really
• 57:23
  has some my only wish for this historic moment is that somehow
• 57:27
  we managed to talk your leisure Hive, right?
• 57:31
  Historic, success. So we've all just Whitlock
• 57:34
  commentary listened to it. Twice three times.
• 57:39
  Thank you very well. Thank you very much for being
• 57:41
  here today and to thank you very much because that was a very
• 57:45
  enjoyable episode. It was great, wasn't it?
• 57:47
  Thank you Joe, always a pleasure.