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E.380: Glowing From Within Ft. VIDA GLOW · Skin Anarchy

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SPEAKER_01: Hi guys, welcome back to Speaker Anarchy.
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SPEAKER_01: This is Ekta, and I have a wonderful guest with me today.
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SPEAKER_01: She is the founder of a really well-crafted ingestibles brand that is very, very healthy for your skin.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a beautiful brand.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of options, and I'm really excited to be discussing this topic.
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SPEAKER_01: So without further ado, I want to introduce you guys to the founder of Vita Glow, Anna Leigh.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the show, Anna.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited to be hosting you.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, thank you so much.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited to be on.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, I've been uh looking forward to our interview because, like I said, you know, in the intro, I love the concept of how the ingestible um category of beauty and skin health is evolving, and your brand is such a beautiful um hallmark in this area.
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SPEAKER_01: So I would love to dive into all of that, but first I'd love to get started with you telling us about your background um and then also how you got involved in the beauty space.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I was born in Brazil, actually.
5:11
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you can tell by my accent, I'm Australian.
5:13
SPEAKER_02: I I've moved to Brazil when I was six years old.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, I was born in Brazil, and when I was six years old, sorry, I moved to Australia.
5:20
SPEAKER_02: So my parents were migrants into Australia, really to give my sister and I uh, you know, opportunities that we we wouldn't have had had we stayed there.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think being Brazilian and having that Brazilian background, beauty is such a huge part of our culture.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think growing up as a little girl, watching my mom get ready and put on her perfume and use her products, uh really was sort of the beginning of this love affair of beauty.
5:49
SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm I was born a lover.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm really passionate about all different categories, even in this trip here in New York, you know, speaking to everybody.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm always so interested in what products they're using and um who what you know what content creators they're following.
6:03
SPEAKER_02: Um and and I think that has always been in my blood for a really long time, ever since I was young.
6:10
SPEAKER_02: So skincare and especially skincare using ingestibles is really exciting because with the right products you can make real tangible, visible differences to the skin.
6:21
SPEAKER_02: And the surface of our skin you know only makes up about 3% of the full skin organ.
6:27
SPEAKER_02: So when you use ingestibles, you're targeting the other 97% of the skin below the surface.
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SPEAKER_02: So knowing that we could, you know, innovate products that would have a really positive impact on people's lives and their beauty routines and the way they felt about their skin uh is continues to be a huge inspiration for me in what I do every day.
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SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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SPEAKER_01: I really love that.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think that, you know, um I I've noticed that every founder that has wonderful products and and products that are actually efficacious in this space, they have, you know, um a very strong passion for really helping people figure out how to really make their skin healthier rather than just instant results or instant glow or whatever you want to call it.
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SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_01: So like it's it really goes hand in hand with I think your line because you're obviously, you know, a Vitaglow is uh, you know, it's an ingestible line, like we said earlier, and it's all about maintenance and it's all about, you know, really maintaining that healthy outlook.
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SPEAKER_01: So um with that being said, I would love for you to dive into the products and just really tell us about where um you, you know, your journey began when it came to the science of it all and you know how you um recognize the things that we need or our body needs, our skin needs, and how that really kind of um, I guess how that story progressed into creating the brand, creating the products, etc.
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SPEAKER_02: So I suppose my original uh vision for Vita Glow was to help people address their beauty concerns with effective ingestible products.
8:04
SPEAKER_02: And it's still the same vision that I have every day.
8:08
SPEAKER_02: And really, I experienced these transformative effects that marine collagen supplementation had had on my hair, especially after experiencing hair loss.
8:17
SPEAKER_02: And I discovered marine collagen peptide powders overseas.
8:21
SPEAKER_02: I'd tried every product on the market and I had only really seen true, visible, tangible results from daily collagen supplementation.
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SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I invested into the research to understand the science behind the results that I was seeing across not only my hair, but my skin and nails as well.
8:37
SPEAKER_02: And it was the clinical data that was very evident from the research that I undertook once I wanted to understand whether these products actually had legs.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and I sort of felt those transformative effects that I experienced really, I knew I had to share this and this formative experience of mine from in the beginning really set the foundation of how we show up as a brand and as a business, you know, really creating innovative, science-backed products that elicit real, tangible, visible results.
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SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, now I I I do want to know though, um, what were you you mentioned collagen, right?
9:18
SPEAKER_01: So when it comes to collagen, I have a lot of questions because with collagen, um, as you know, it's actually um only efficacious if you are, you know, really chopping it up into the actual amino acids that are used to create the collagen.
9:32
SPEAKER_01: So how has that formulation worked for you?
9:36
SPEAKER_02: So, first of all, the single most important part of a collagen peptide powder, the only thing that really matters when looking for a collagen peptide powder is its molecule weight.
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SPEAKER_02: So the lower the molecule weight of the collagen peptide powder, the higher the absorption, the higher the efficacy, the higher the bioilability.
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SPEAKER_02: Why?
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SPEAKER_02: Because when you put collagen in your water and you mix it, it you drink it, it passes the lining of the stomach intact, and then it's absorbed and distributed by the bloodstream.
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SPEAKER_02: It's hydrolyzed into a low molecule weight of collagen peptide powder.
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SPEAKER_02: So if you're taking a collagen product, email them, look at the back of their uh pack and see what the molecule weight is.
10:15
SPEAKER_02: Beta glose is as low as 2,000 dolterons, which is as low as um as as I can find anywhere around the world.
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SPEAKER_02: Marine collagen is widely accepted as the best form of collagen for pharmaceutical purposes, um, a lower molecule weight than its bovine or porcine um uh competitors.
10:34
SPEAKER_02: And also you need to look at the sourcing.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, we use four different types of fish species to not put too much pressure on any species, and we have the complete amino acid profile uh in our collagen products.
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SPEAKER_02: The the really interesting thing about collagen, marine collagen, is that is the way that it's sourced.
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SPEAKER_02: So we use the skin of fish, which would otherwise be discarded as waste, is the fish that are for consumption, and we hydrolyze the skin.
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SPEAKER_02: And that hydrolysis process, we use an enzyme process, so there's no chemicals in the hydrolysis.
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SPEAKER_02: Because collagen and its raw molecule weight is 300,000 doltants.
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SPEAKER_02: That is a huge molecule weight, which is why I believe that the best way to take collagen is having it in water, in coffee, in tea, and not having it in a smoothie or a bar or in food.
11:23
SPEAKER_02: Because when you have a smoothie or a shake, you've got banana, chia seeds, oat milk, spinach, whatever else you're putting in there, and that's getting, you know, broken down by the digestive system.
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SPEAKER_02: And we want collagen to be absorbed and distributed by the bloodstream so that it can travel through blood vessels to the layers of the skin underneath the dermis, the extracellular matrix or the collagen matrix, however you want to call it, where it stimulates fibroblast proliferations, which are the cells responsible for collagen production in the body.
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SPEAKER_02: And I know that especially in this market in the US, you know, there have been products that have come to market and killed the category because they're not efficacious, they're not backed by clinical trials, they don't have the science to back it, and and they they they're not paddleable, the serving size is too high.
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SPEAKER_02: So then, you know, like who wants to put 20 grams of collagen in their coffee?
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SPEAKER_02: It's revolting.
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SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't want to do that either.
12:13
SPEAKER_02: So it's really looking for a product that has integrity.
12:17
SPEAKER_02: I'm really proud that we last financial year we invested$1.2 million on clinical trials.
12:21
SPEAKER_02: Vita Globe will not uh produce a new product and bring a new product to market unless it has really robust clinical trials.
12:29
SPEAKER_02: And I, you know, collagen now is it's it's a commodity.
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SPEAKER_02: Like I feel like it's a beauty buzzword, it's everywhere.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's it's good in a way because people are understanding the importance of ingestible beauty.
12:39
SPEAKER_02: The category alone is is is is big and growing, but unfortunately it's well or fortunately, I'm not sure, it's still in its infancy.
12:48
SPEAKER_02: So there's still a lot of people that sit on the fence about whether or not it works, whether it's pseudoscience, does this really work?
12:54
SPEAKER_02: What are the clinical studies?
12:55
SPEAKER_02: And lately we've seen a lot of headways.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, there's over 800 research papers on the benefits of collagen supplementations in the last couple of years, and you know, 19 of which are the gold standard, which invest in double-blind placebo-controlled trials, which are the only clinical trials that BetaGlow runs, double-blind placebo controlled trials.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's not that other brands don't want to do these clinical trials.
13:17
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure most brands would want to do clinical trials to that extent, but it's incredibly expensive.
13:23
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, anything that has to do with benchwork and clinical anything is just ridiculously expensive.
13:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's so much more expensive than a skincare, like a traditional topical skincare clinical trial.
13:35
SPEAKER_02: They're so much cheaper in terms of you know the process of getting a clinical trial done.
13:39
SPEAKER_02: They require a lot less subjects.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and then when you're doing double blind placebo control styles, you you're doubling up because one group has to receive the product, the other group has to receive a placebo.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's a complex um process to undertake.
13:53
SPEAKER_02: But I think that collagen is a phenomenal uh supplement.
13:56
SPEAKER_02: I think that there is we're making huge headways in terms of um the information that's getting out there.
14:04
SPEAKER_02: It's great to see doctors and dermatologists and aestheticians and skin experts really getting behind the category.
14:10
SPEAKER_02: But the consumer does have to be careful in asking the right questions, reading the NIP, the supplement facts on the back of the packaging, and really understanding what they're taking.
14:19
SPEAKER_02: And if you don't know, email the customer service and ask.
14:23
SPEAKER_01: You know, they're really no, absolutely.
14:26
SPEAKER_01: I think you know, I have I have so many questions, you know.
14:28
SPEAKER_01: I really do because I'm I'm not gonna lie, I'm a huge um, I'm I'm not pro-ingestibles.
14:34
SPEAKER_01: I haven't been for a long time.
14:36
SPEAKER_01: And the reason for that is because I've seen a lot of people who've actually suffered from poorly manufactured products.
14:42
SPEAKER_01: And I'm not saying that's you guys, I'm just saying in general in the past, you know, like 10 years ago.
14:48
SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times that led to chronic kidney disease.
14:51
SPEAKER_01: It led to um a decline in GFR.
14:54
SPEAKER_01: And the reason for that was exactly what you had mentioned, which is these are these very, very large molecules that they were putting in these capsules and they were not getting absorbed and they were causing people to just, you know, have to use their renal system to excrete everything out.
15:09
SPEAKER_01: And when you're over when, you know, for everyone listening, when you're over um saturating your your kidneys and your renal apparatus, it's going to get damaged.
15:19
SPEAKER_01: And that's why people have been so, you know, on the fence with ingestibles in the past.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: So I think that what you're doing here is actually very, very innovative and it's very cutting edge because of the size of the molecules that you're actually uh that you actually have in your product.
15:34
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
15:35
SPEAKER_01: So that's yeah, yeah.
15:37
SPEAKER_02: And the other thing is that molecules and actives are very different, you know.
15:42
SPEAKER_02: So, like even though Vita Glow started as a collagen brand, we are not a collagen brand now.
15:46
SPEAKER_02: We're an ingestible beauty brand.
15:47
SPEAKER_02: So we have a line of products, which is our marine collagen, which we sell, but we also have an effervescent multivitamin antioxidant blend with mitamins and minerals.
15:56
SPEAKER_02: That's an effervescent powder that is designed to melt into the tongue so that it can absorb into the bloodstream within 15 minutes, as opposed to a pill or a tablet that can take the body up to 15, 40 minutes to break down.
16:07
SPEAKER_02: You go to the bathroom, it's fluorescent yellow.
16:09
SPEAKER_02: Our uh herogy, which is for targeted hair loss, um, the key active ingredient in that is anagaine, that is a vegan cellulous capsule.
16:16
SPEAKER_02: Radiance, we targets pigmentation, the key ingredient is skin X2, that is a vegan cellulous capsule because they're designed for a small, slow targeted release where we want the active ingredients to be protected by the capsule until it reaches the small intestines so that it can be a small slow release and people can see results.
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SPEAKER_02: So, collagen, I don't recommend taking in a capsule, for example, uh, because of the molecule weight and because it needs to be pre-digested as opposed to broken down by the digestive system.
16:42
SPEAKER_02: So there there are, I mean, and most people, like you said, leave their house rattling every day because they've taken, you know, six, six fish or tablets and two multivitamins and a vitamin C and a this and a that.
16:52
SPEAKER_02: And and it's in it, it's it is overload.
16:57
SPEAKER_02: It's overload.
16:59
SPEAKER_02: I completely agree.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think, you know, one thing I have a question about is, you know, I I know you're not just collagen, and that's really uh I like that.
17:06
SPEAKER_01: I love the brand, you know, don't get me wrong, I love the brand, I think it's a really phenomenal brand.
17:11
SPEAKER_01: My the reason I asked you about the collagen was because this is an area that really needs to be clarified, you know, for the industry.
17:17
SPEAKER_01: And I think that, you know, people need to understand that when you're doing any kind of absorption through a mucous membrane, there's a role of certain antibodies that come into play.
17:25
SPEAKER_01: And when you're ingesting things that are like vitamins, for example, you mentioned vitamin A, which is a fat-soluble vitamin, you have to actually take it with a source of fat, right?
17:35
SPEAKER_01: So you have to understand what is absorption, what is digestion?
17:40
SPEAKER_01: And that's where the consumer really needs more resources in terms of understanding how gut health works.
17:46
SPEAKER_01: You know, for example, I would love to, you know, ask you if you during your clinical trials, when you were testing things, did you look at the levels of IgA uh antibodies that were, you know, present in someone's gut flora at the time when they were, you know, undergoing the process.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: What kind of clinical trials did you do?
18:04
SPEAKER_01: Because IgA is used, as we all know in science, it's used as a major carrier for carrying things across mucous membranes.
18:13
SPEAKER_01: So these are the questions I have because when you study gut health, it's not just about you ingest something and it's going to pass your mucous membranes.
18:21
SPEAKER_01: No, it's not.
18:21
SPEAKER_01: The gut barrier is extremely hard to difficult to pass.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: So that's where I get very, very confused.
18:27
SPEAKER_01: And I have a lot of questions.
18:28
SPEAKER_01: So I would love for you to dive more into the clinical data and tell me a little bit more about that.
18:33
SPEAKER_02: I think what's really important with the clinical trials, it depends on the product.
18:38
SPEAKER_02: So, for example, with radiance, the Skin X2, it's a blend of melon extract and um uh grapeseed oil, right?
18:46
SPEAKER_02: With zinc and vitamins and zinc and vitamins.
18:48
SPEAKER_02: And then we've got uh and vitamin C.
18:51
SPEAKER_02: And then you've got radiance, that's radiance.
18:53
SPEAKER_02: Then you've got Herology, which is anagane, it's a P sprout protein where the clinical trials run on that particular ingredient.
18:59
SPEAKER_02: Collagen is using uh it's a very simple formulation, it's a one-ingredient formulation.
19:05
SPEAKER_02: It has a hydrolyzed peptide.
19:07
SPEAKER_02: In terms of that particular question, I don't know the answer.
19:09
SPEAKER_02: I'd have to get Lauren Dewsbury, our head research scientist, that does all of the um the special the specializations and the types of detail of the clinical trials, but we invest in what is a double blind placebo control trials and we measure things like skin firmness, skin elasticity, hydration in the skin, the levels of hydration in the skin.
19:29
SPEAKER_02: Does it increase fibroblast density?
19:31
SPEAKER_02: Does it increase the density of the elasticity in the skin?
19:34
SPEAKER_02: Keratin collagen levels.
19:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then, you know, with with hair growth, for example, we're looking at the the phase of the hair follicle in the root, how that is in what is the average hair loss of every person that's receiving the product of Herology, for example, how many strands, because over a hundred strands, about a hundred strands of hair loss a day is considered normal.
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SPEAKER_02: So it really depends on the product and the manufacturing.
19:59
SPEAKER_02: So, for example, our collagen is hydrolyse in France, we have radiance and heroogy, which is made in Australia, hyaluronic acid is made in Germany, our skincare is made in Switzerland.
20:09
SPEAKER_02: So there are a lot of different stakeholders that create all of the different testing, which is why it is so expensive to actually be able to do clinical trials.
20:20
SPEAKER_01: Right.
20:20
SPEAKER_01: No, that makes sense.
20:21
SPEAKER_01: That makes a lot of sense.
20:22
SPEAKER_01: And I um, you know, I didn't want to bombard you with too many science questions.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: I apologize.
20:27
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, it's fine.
20:29
SPEAKER_01: Um no, it's it's great, actually.
20:31
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I but I, you know, I I'm I'm very, very impressed, you know, really, I am, because I it's at the end of the day, like I've said, you know, it's a very difficult category.
20:40
SPEAKER_01: You know, this is a category.
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SPEAKER_02: I always say if you can make it in ingestibles, you can make it in anything.
20:48
SPEAKER_02: Because it's taking.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: And the other thing about clinical trials is I look at, I mean, I formulate skincare, so I know we have three skincare products in our range.
20:56
SPEAKER_02: It's an eye cream, a serum, and a moisturizer.
20:58
SPEAKER_02: And you look at the A, the price of formulating skincare is second, like it's so cheap compared to the price of ingestibles.
21:05
SPEAKER_02: Regulation, every country that you go into has a different regulation when it comes to a food product or an ingestible product.
21:11
SPEAKER_02: You know, your supplement facts, the back of your packaging has to be completely different for every single country that you go into.
21:16
SPEAKER_02: Regulations, what you can say in one country as opposed to what you can say in another country, different languages, for example.
21:22
SPEAKER_02: So, as a science-first ingestible beauty brand, investing in our own trials, but also looking at robust independent research.
21:29
SPEAKER_02: And that's why with Collagen, seeing these new researchers' papers coming out is pretty good.
21:33
SPEAKER_02: And it's really exciting because for so long, when we started this in 2000, I mean, I we conceptualized this business in 2013.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: We started in 2014.
21:42
SPEAKER_02: It was a hard slog.
21:44
SPEAKER_02: You know, there was not a lot of people that believed in it.
21:46
SPEAKER_02: So building credibility as a brand in a new category isn't easy and it takes a huge amount of investment.
21:52
SPEAKER_02: We employ science lens at every step of our NPD process.
21:55
SPEAKER_02: We source only active ingredients that have been clinically studied.
21:58
SPEAKER_02: Once we land on the final Formulation, we test it under clinical trials, the team trials it, then we do consumer trials, then we do before and afters.
22:07
SPEAKER_02: And bringing the product to market takes years, and most of our products take about two years to formulate.
22:13
SPEAKER_02: And you know, this is a commitment that we want to make because we want to continue our repeat customer rate that we have and our loyal customers, and also because if the product doesn't work, then people don't buy it again.
22:23
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then the team, you know, there's 60 people in my North Sydney office.
22:27
SPEAKER_02: It's not a one-man band.
22:28
SPEAKER_02: We've got a growing team in the UK, in Europe, uh, France, Germany in particular, in the US, in China, which is our biggest market, and then having a fully fledged regulations team, a quality team, um, a science and research team, you know, having um scientists on our books working for us full-time, uh, logistics, finance, marketing, creative sales, it's uh it's a it's a huge undertaking.
22:55
SPEAKER_02: And in this category, it's incredibly hard.
22:58
SPEAKER_02: And it's harder in some markets.
23:00
SPEAKER_02: I, you know, I have to say in Australia, we have great competitive ingestible beanie brands.
23:04
SPEAKER_02: We have some of the best ingestible beanie brands in the world, maybe because our TGA, which is equivalent to your FDA, um, is so strict and so stringent, um, or I don't know whether the market is just ready, you know, more ready.
23:17
SPEAKER_02: I I've found that in the US, I think you've had some giants that have come in and have left a really sour taste in people's mouth because of the quality of their products.
23:24
SPEAKER_02: And there's been a lot of ingestible brands that have actually been dropped by major retailers.
23:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:30
SPEAKER_02: You know, have caused a lot of people to be like, is this a scam?
23:34
SPEAKER_02: Does this work?
23:35
SPEAKER_02: And in and and and this is my second time to the US this year.
23:38
SPEAKER_02: And it does feel a little bit overwhelming.
23:41
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I my first media meeting that I had here when we first launched the brand in um February, someone downright asked me, Do you really own your brand or is it owned by Nestlé?
23:52
SPEAKER_02: You know, yeah.
23:54
SPEAKER_02: Um, and and I and that was such an interesting thing because it's it shows me how much education is still needed in this in this market.
24:06
SPEAKER_02: And this, you know, the US has the the best consumers in the world.
24:10
SPEAKER_02: I mean, your products are amazing.
24:12
SPEAKER_02: So to see just how much we're coming across, and and that is a challenge, by the way, of being a first mover.
24:18
SPEAKER_02: It was the same challenge we had in 2014 when we first launched, and nobody else was doing collagen.
24:23
SPEAKER_02: You know, um, we didn't get someone to put our stores into bricks and mortars, really, and believing with us until Maya, which is our our leading department store in Australia, um, took a chance on us in 2017.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: So that was a really hard slog to to put forward a compelling case for ingestibles.
24:43
SPEAKER_02: What I want to see is people uh incorporating ingestible beauty products like they would a serum or a moisturizer or an SPF, but being concerned led, right?
24:55
SPEAKER_02: You don't need to take seven different products in order to get results.
24:58
SPEAKER_02: I'm a huge believer in less is more.
25:01
SPEAKER_02: What is your concern?
25:02
SPEAKER_02: Is it pigmentation?
25:03
SPEAKER_02: Then I would recommend radiance.
25:05
SPEAKER_02: Is it hair loss?
25:06
SPEAKER_02: Then I would recommend heroogy.
25:07
SPEAKER_02: We're bringing a new product to market that focuses on acne.
25:10
SPEAKER_02: Is it and is it collagen?
25:12
SPEAKER_02: Are you looking for an overall supplement?
25:13
SPEAKER_02: Is it inflammation?
25:14
SPEAKER_02: Then antigeoxid would be better.
25:16
SPEAKER_02: Because in order to get results from ingestibles or supplements in general, is you have to be consistent, right?
25:23
SPEAKER_02: You can't have one on Monday and one on Friday and expect to see results.
25:27
SPEAKER_02: You can't dable dabble.
25:29
SPEAKER_02: So we want it to make it easy for people.
25:32
SPEAKER_02: And it should be as easy as putting on your own moisturizer or putting on it's part of your daily diet, but less is more.
25:39
SPEAKER_02: I don't take every single product in the range.
25:41
SPEAKER_02: You know, when I have pigmentation, I've recently come back from Europe, so I started taking, so I took the radiance for two months and now I'm just back on the collagen again.
25:48
SPEAKER_02: So it's really about being focused, and that's as a brand.
25:51
SPEAKER_02: I mean, sometimes we find new ingredients and we get really excited about them, but for the most part, we're concerned led.
25:57
SPEAKER_01: Right.
25:57
SPEAKER_01: No, and I and I completely agree with everything you said.
26:01
SPEAKER_01: I mean, honestly, from the point about Nestle, about you know, that uh customer saying something to you.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it really shows you that this market, and that's why I said what I said, it's an extremely difficult area to really take on, you know, when it comes to health and wellness.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: And so I really applaud you for doing it and doing it properly because, you know, that person that came up to you, Anna, they weren't lying.
26:25
SPEAKER_01: This is the corruption that's been present in this area.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
26:28
SPEAKER_01: Like it's been it's been here for a while.
26:31
SPEAKER_01: And that's why I mentioned what I did earlier about the renal disease, you know, the patients I've seen just come in in the past decade, you know, like a decade ago.
26:38
SPEAKER_01: Like people, people have really suffered because of these big conglomerate, you know, organized, like organized companies that are just pumping out bullshit.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
26:49
SPEAKER_01: It's just not even real.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: And so, yeah, the US consumer, I think definitely is very, very like there's a stigma, you know, there's still stigma and it needs to be overcome.
26:59
SPEAKER_01: And I think brands like you are really trailblazing the way to like re kind of, I guess, you know, it's like cognitive behavioral therapy, sort of, you know, for the consumer where you're trying to re-wire people's brains to realize that not everybody is going to do it in a botched way.
27:15
SPEAKER_01: So in order to do that.
27:16
SPEAKER_02: Some people are more, some people, like for example, I'm pregnant again.
27:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, and so at the moment I'm taking a folate supplement on its own, right?
27:25
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not taking a pregnancy multivitamin because I know my diet, I know what I eat, I take the antigeox, I know the ingredients that are in that particular product.
27:33
SPEAKER_02: I'm getting enough vitamin C and zinc and selenium and other and other vitamins and minerals and antioxidants in my diet.
27:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I don't take an iron supplement because I've had my blood work done and I'm high in iron, so I don't need to take an iron supplement.
27:45
SPEAKER_02: But most people aren't looking at them in that level, you know, and then the other thing is a lot of people are self-prescribing.
27:53
SPEAKER_02: So they're like, oh, you know, I'm I'm feeling a bit sickly, I might just um add some vitamin strong dose of vitamin C in my diet.
28:00
SPEAKER_02: And it's it's un you know, not everybody has the level of in access to information that we do, or the interest, perhaps.
28:09
SPEAKER_02: And so you do get a lot of that as well.
28:12
SPEAKER_02: Um, and and maybe that is, I mean, I speak to people every day that are like, I'm a huge supplement taker, I take this, this, that, and that, and that.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, why?
28:23
SPEAKER_02: Why are there so many things?
28:24
SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, and it's the same with like with skin, with skin, you know, like I've I mean, on this on this trip meeting with media and content creators and so many different people, and they're like, Oh, you know, well, I had this laser treatment and I had this and I had the skin needling.
28:36
SPEAKER_02: And I look at their skin and I'm like, but why?
28:38
SPEAKER_02: Like, I've never had skin leading, or you know, for my caesarean scar, my previous caesarean scar, I did keloid scar.
28:44
SPEAKER_02: So I did have laser resurfacing on that scar because it was burning and itching as a keloid, and I've got darker skin, so that is um common for it to happen.
28:52
SPEAKER_02: But I've never had laser treatments or resurfacing treatments or skin leading in my skin.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: Why?
28:56
SPEAKER_02: My skin doesn't need to go through that much trauma or I don't need it.
28:59
SPEAKER_02: Exactly, exactly.
29:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and but see, here's the thing though, Anna, that's called being a an educated and informed consumer.
29:08
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
29:09
SPEAKER_01: You have done your homework, you do your homework, you look things up when you don't know, or if you have questions, or go ask a professional.
29:16
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of people that, you know, and it this irks me so much.
29:20
SPEAKER_01: There are so many people who are still relying on TikTok, and they're still relying on Instagram reels.
29:29
SPEAKER_02: When people say to me, like, so I read this article, and I'm like, did you read that article or did you watch it on TikTok?
29:41
SPEAKER_02: They're like, oh no, I saw it on TikTok.
29:42
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh that's just one-to-read.
29:45
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so you didn't read the article.
29:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
29:47
SPEAKER_02: So that article didn't exist, you know.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: I can't stand that though.
29:52
SPEAKER_01: I think that I mean, honestly, it's it's like, you know, here's the thing.
29:56
SPEAKER_01: I am okay, I'm all for the everyday consumer.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm all about being on their team, of course, you know, but there's a reason why you guys will not see a huge presence of Secure Anarchy on TikTok.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: You won't see us a huge presence of us on these like high, fast-paced social media platforms.
30:12
SPEAKER_01: Why?
30:13
SPEAKER_01: Because that is not how you get your information.
30:15
SPEAKER_01: You have got to go onto PubMed, okay, or Google Scholar, and you've got to look up information.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, when Anna and I were speaking earlier about, you know, the molecular weight of, you know, the collagen uh supplement, that's the information that you should be looking up, you know, and if anyone is listening and you do you have done that homework, that would have resonated with you.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
30:37
SPEAKER_01: Like for me, it was like huge, like my mind blown.
30:40
SPEAKER_01: Like, yes, it's a very, very small size, you know, and that's amazing that you've been able to accomplish that.
30:45
SPEAKER_01: So that's the kind of thing where I get very frustrated because I'm like, you know what?
30:49
SPEAKER_01: It's time for us to take our health into our own hands, and like you said, in the way of like, you know, being educated, being informed, and investing in the right brands.
30:59
SPEAKER_01: You have to do that.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: You know, like you know, you have a range of products, right?
31:03
SPEAKER_01: Like for me, for example, I'm deficient in vitamin D.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: It's just something that's genetic.
31:08
SPEAKER_01: My mother's like that, I'm like that.
31:10
SPEAKER_01: My vitamin D is almost like non-existent.
31:12
SPEAKER_01: So I am on a vitamin D supplement.
31:14
SPEAKER_01: But do you understand how difficult that is to even get on that?
31:18
SPEAKER_01: You know, doctors are still like, you know, prescribing those kind of things.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: People have issues still, you know, with prescribing it.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: And then they say go buy a daily vitamin.
31:27
SPEAKER_01: And then I go to the store and I'm like, no, I'm not buying a daily vitamin because if I buy a vitamin D supplement, there's other crap in there that I don't want to take, you know?
31:35
SPEAKER_02: So it's how much of it are you absorbing, you know, because it used to be thought 30 to 40 percent, the physician's desk reference paper, which updated in 2016 on that particular topic, it's closer to 10, you know, 10 to 10 to 20 percent.
31:48
SPEAKER_02: So, like for example, I see this with hair, skin, and nail supplements all the time, especially in the pill forms or your daily vitamins.
31:55
SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know about in the FDA, but in in the TGA in Australia, the minimum requirement to make claims on hair, skin and nail benefits, you need 50 milligrams of vitamin C.
32:05
SPEAKER_02: But the body needs a thousand milligrams of vitamin C a day in order to be able to produce collagen.
32:10
SPEAKER_02: So you're taking a supplement with 50, but then you're absorbing 10% of that.
32:14
SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
32:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:17
SPEAKER_02: So and there are some, like if you're a vegan, for example, you know, you should take a vitamin B12 supplement and and and you should take one that goes inside, you can spray inside your mouth, you know, so that has a better bioavailability, for example.
32:31
SPEAKER_02: So there are supplements that be like if you have very low iron.
32:33
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've had really low iron with my pregnancies, and you know what, I didn't take an oral iron supplement because they make you not be able to go to the bathroom.
32:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, and they really clog you up, and that's with all the progesterone in pregnancy, that makes it even worse.
32:48
SPEAKER_02: And so when it drops to a level that's sort of below 15, which mine did in all three of my pregnancies, I had an iron infusion.
32:55
SPEAKER_02: Now no one's gonna go and sit and have an iron infusion because it can decolour your skin, there's side effects to it.
33:00
SPEAKER_02: But when you're that low, taking a iron supplement that you buy over the counter is gonna do nothing.
33:06
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it it is um, it's a mind fill though.
33:11
SPEAKER_02: And I don't blame the consumer for going on TikTok um because who's got time to do those research and who's got, and I and I don't blame them for being confused and not understanding, and I don't blame them for feeling like, is this a scam?
33:24
SPEAKER_02: Is this real?
33:25
SPEAKER_02: And and then the other thing is that you know, supplements are not gonna cure poor diet, it's not gonna cure uh lack of sleep, it's not gonna cure, you know, and and so we I do agree with what you say in that we need to take it into our own hands, you know, even on this trip, like I'm I'm jet lagged, I'm waking up at like 2, 3 a.m.
33:47
SPEAKER_02: I am back to back, and so I'm eating food from restaurants or cafes, I'm not home cooking anything, I you know, I leave it too late to eat, so then I get really hungry and I'm like, I feel like a burger, you know, and then and I'm not drinking as much water as I normally would at home.
34:01
SPEAKER_02: I'm not exercising because I'm back to back meetings and I'm in a different time zone.
34:05
SPEAKER_02: I haven't been, I've spent most of my time inside, so I haven't been going for my walks and getting my vitamin D.
34:11
SPEAKER_02: You just don't feel the same.
34:13
SPEAKER_02: Right, right, you know, exactly you can get into that cycle really quickly.
34:18
SPEAKER_02: It's been a week of this for me.
34:20
SPEAKER_02: I haven't trained in a week since I've been here, you know, and so everything changes, you know.
34:26
SPEAKER_02: You you are not as regular, you don't sleep as well, you crave more sugar.
34:32
SPEAKER_02: So and it's but what I recommend for people in that sense is you know, like with supplements, I said start with one thing, but with life changes, also start with one thing.
34:42
SPEAKER_02: You know, maybe it's going for a walk outside for 30 minutes a day.
34:45
SPEAKER_02: Like you can't fix it all at once because I feel that if you do, you set yourself up for failure.
34:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
34:54
SPEAKER_01: I completely a hundred percent agree with you.
34:56
SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of people do that, you know, especially with the new year's right around the corner.
35:00
SPEAKER_01: You know, people are gonna have like 15 goals for the new year and they're all gonna, you know, everyone's gonna join the gym again and they're gonna, you know, try to eat healthy and everything at once.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: And it's like you are setting yourself up for failure.
35:12
SPEAKER_01: And then you wonder why your health isn't improving.
35:15
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's it's just a matter of creating healthy routines.
35:18
SPEAKER_01: It's a matter of creating healthy habits.
35:20
SPEAKER_01: And I think, you know, on that topic, it's very, very um interesting to me how you have packaged your products, which I love, by the way.
35:28
SPEAKER_01: I am obsessed with the way that they're packaged.
35:31
SPEAKER_01: Why?
35:31
SPEAKER_01: Because they're like for everyone listening.
35:33
SPEAKER_01: So you guys remember like back in the day, if you're a 90s kid, you will know like Crystal Lite had little packets, right?
35:38
SPEAKER_01: Where you can um, you know, pour it into a water bottle, mix it up, easy to go, right?
35:43
SPEAKER_01: Everybody loves those.
35:44
SPEAKER_01: I love those.
35:45
SPEAKER_01: That's exactly how uh Vita Glow's packets are.
35:48
SPEAKER_01: They're they're just you know, um, they're slender, they're you know, like tubular shaped, and that you just you can, you know, pop them in your bag, you can pop them in your gym bag, wherever you are going, you can have them with you.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: And so even if you have a water bottle, you you know, you mix it in, you shake it up, and you just drink it.
36:05
SPEAKER_01: And it's wonderful.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: So I love the accessibility and the you know, the availability of how this packaging has been designed by you.
36:13
SPEAKER_01: And I think that is, you know, coming full circle.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: What I'm trying to say is the reason people I think can't stick to habits or create good habits is because it's very hard and difficult to carry around a giant pill bottle, you know what I mean, as compared to like a few packets that you can easily, you know what I mean, pop in your purse or whatnot.
36:32
SPEAKER_01: So that's also a huge thing that brands need to think about, you know, when they're approaching these kind of categories.
36:37
SPEAKER_01: And I think you've done such an excellent job with just keeping the consumer in mind and keeping in mind what goes into habit formation, you know, like what are the things that people are looking for that's going to make them stick to something.
36:48
SPEAKER_02: And it's I've I've heard that people say that I've heard that it takes about three weeks to 21 days to create a habit.
36:55
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, that's an interesting thing.
36:57
SPEAKER_02: Look, for me, in terms of the packaging, we did a rebrand in 2021.
37:01
SPEAKER_02: Um, so all of our packaging, we looked at our packaging options, we looked at, you know, making it from recyclable materials and making it recyclable.
37:08
SPEAKER_02: And um, I also really, I mean, we do offer the collagen in a loose powder format as well for people who prefer that, but I really saw an opportunity here for convenience.
37:18
SPEAKER_02: I wanted to create products that people could take straight in water wherever they were, no need to blend in a smoothie, not to get the blender out, you know, where people can create a ritual around it.
37:26
SPEAKER_02: I wanted something fast and effective that they could fit into their very busy modern lives.
37:31
SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, those pre-portioned sachets are a really convenient way to take it.
37:36
SPEAKER_02: And if it's easier for people, then then they're more likely to stick to it.
37:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree with you.
37:43
SPEAKER_01: I completely agree with you.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: And I think, you know, one thing I want to actually talk about now is is this idea of the endocrine, you know, the endocrinology associated with um, you know, getting on a very healthy regimen of using such products as yours, because I think this is an area that no one is really talking about right now.
38:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, in the space.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: And by the way, I do want to do like a you know completely uh shameless self-promo because my goal right now, I don't know if anyone's been following me, but I've been publishing papers in medical journals.
38:15
SPEAKER_01: And what I'm doing is I'm creating reviews for all of you that are like easy to understand.
38:19
SPEAKER_01: They're not a lot of science jargon, and I'm trying to put all of these concepts in a like a reliable resource, which is medical journals, you know, which are peer-reviewed, they're you know, they're uh reviewed by the best of the best in terms of scientists.
38:34
SPEAKER_01: And I'm hoping that when you do go and you say I've read an article, I hope you're reading some of these because these are this is my goal, is you know, but I'm I'm glad you're saying that because a lot of the problem with you know, you and I can talk about molecule weight and and things like that, but a lot of it just goes over people's heads.
38:51
SPEAKER_02: Like most people wouldn't know what a Dalton weight is and comparing it to 300,000 to 2,000.
38:57
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, in paving the way for education, it does need to be simple.
39:01
SPEAKER_02: It does need to be, people need to understand it in a simple way so that it's it can't go over their heads because then they don't understand it.
39:10
SPEAKER_02: And education is really key.
39:12
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, I completely agree with you.
39:14
SPEAKER_01: And you know, um, to kind of like uh go back to the endocrinology thing, I wanted to actually say this to you.
39:21
SPEAKER_01: I was so excited when before our interview because I was like, I can't wait to talk to her about this because the products you have are so vital, I feel like, in you know, in today's world, in today's landscape, because what we're really facing these days is this problem of multi-endocrine um pathologies.
39:40
SPEAKER_01: These are multi-glandular pathologies, meaning your adrenal glands messed up, your pituitary glands messed up, you've got, you know, everything's going crazy.
39:49
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, all your hormones.
39:51
SPEAKER_01: What is all through the roof?
39:53
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
39:54
SPEAKER_01: And they're all going on at once, which we've never seen before in medical science.
39:58
SPEAKER_01: Usually it's a pituitary gland that's messed up, or it's one other gland that in these pathologies that I'm describing, it's four or five different glands, you guys, that are getting like, you know, going haywire.
40:08
SPEAKER_01: And you know what's the underlying cause of all that is malnutrition.
40:12
SPEAKER_01: And why it how can you have malnutrition in a well-developed country, in a first world country?
40:18
SPEAKER_01: Exactly what Anna talks about.
40:19
SPEAKER_01: You're not taking it in the right amounts, or it's not getting absorbed, or it's not, you know what I mean?
40:24
SPEAKER_01: Like the route's not correct, or the product isn't correct.
40:28
SPEAKER_02: Our modern food processing and uh and how we're harvesting our food, pesticides, herbicides, how our soil is so lacking in mineral as well.
40:39
SPEAKER_02: You know, the dramatic decrease in vitamins and minerals in foods like green beans, you know, the effect that um the contraceptive pill has on hormones and has on levels of estrogen, and you know how that's getting into our waterways.
40:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh, there's a lot outside supplements that goes into that, you know, and exactly don't make it easy.
41:03
SPEAKER_02: Eating organic non-processed foods is so expensive, it's hard to find if you've got a family of two or three children, how are you supposed to feed them on our average wages, you know, organic foods?
41:17
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's just not possible, it's not plausible.
41:22
SPEAKER_01: It's very privileged if you can, you know, exactly, exactly.
41:26
SPEAKER_01: And you know what's funny?
41:27
SPEAKER_01: And and I, I mean, it's not funny, but it's very ironic.
41:30
SPEAKER_01: My grandparents grew up, were you know, they lived and grew up and died, and you know, they just their whole life was in rural India.
41:38
SPEAKER_01: And guess what they had?
41:39
SPEAKER_01: Agricultural land, and guess what they're they ate, and all their children ate organic food.
41:44
SPEAKER_01: And I keep telling my friends that are like into real estate and stuff, I'm like, you want to invest in something?
41:50
SPEAKER_01: Go buy a piece of land.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: You know why?
41:52
SPEAKER_01: Because you can till you can grow food on that land and no one can tell you you can't do it.
41:57
SPEAKER_01: You can grow food and you don't, you know, that's one of the biggest problems we have now is that we keep relying on these outside sources for our nutrition.
42:06
SPEAKER_01: And that is going to end up killing all of us if we don't really, you know, keep in mind what it is our body needs.
42:12
SPEAKER_01: And so again, coming back to topic, I'm, you know, the reason I'm saying all of this is when you're looking for supplementation, when you get your blood work back from the physician and you see that you're lacking in vitamin D or vitamin C or one of your B vitamins is low, you need to go and find a source outside of just your physician and find a company like Vita Glow that is doing things right.
42:35
SPEAKER_01: They have the, you know, the right ethics behind them and take care of yourself.
42:39
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
42:40
SPEAKER_01: Put your money where it's supposed to be.
42:42
SPEAKER_01: Stop buying junk, you know, that you don't need.
42:45
SPEAKER_01: Like people always complain, you know, I don't have enough money for skincare.
42:48
SPEAKER_01: I don't have enough money.
42:49
SPEAKER_01: Well, those are the same people that are spending$300 on a freaking face serum when they should be really investing in products that are long-term use, you know what I mean?
42:59
SPEAKER_01: Which is from within Yeah, from within, beauty from within, glowing from within, exactly.
43:04
SPEAKER_01: And it's that's where I get so, so like you can hear it in my voice.
43:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm very, you know, excited right now.
43:09
SPEAKER_01: But it's because this is a real thing, it's a real problem these days, you know?
43:13
SPEAKER_01: And it, you know, I have I have people who email me.
43:16
SPEAKER_01: They say, you know, I wasted$800.
43:18
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, why didn't you just go see a dermatologist or a nutritionist?
43:22
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
43:23
SPEAKER_01: Like, why didn't you just go and spend your money where it should be spent?
43:26
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, it's just being a nutritionist is something that is so game-changing.
43:31
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I had three children in three and a half in in two and a half years, and I breastfed so long.
43:36
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, that post-hormonal drop uh and the postpartum depletion after having children for women, women consistently underestimate just the difference that it makes.
43:46
SPEAKER_02: And postpartum depletion is so real and it can last up to seven years after having a baby.
43:52
SPEAKER_02: And it's the last thing you feel like when you're you know looking after a new baby, if you're breastfeeding, or even if you're formula feeding, the hormones, the blood.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: The changes that it makes in a woman's body.
44:02
SPEAKER_02: And I remember when I finished breastfeeding my third child, my daughter, I went and saw a nutritionist for the first time.
44:09
SPEAKER_02: And I was mind-blown.
44:11
SPEAKER_02: And there's something this is someone that knows a lot about, you know, good health and wellness and and the small changes that she had me make to my diet.
44:21
SPEAKER_02: Small minimal changes, things like adding in more nuts and seeds, you know, healthy fats like avocados, eggs.
44:30
SPEAKER_02: I mean, the the difference, just just the simple changes that it made to my diet and how that made me feel internally.
44:38
SPEAKER_02: And then also how it made me look, you know.
44:40
SPEAKER_02: Um and yeah, I mean, I I think it's so important.
44:44
SPEAKER_02: And also, if you are if you do have a specific concern, say your specific concern is cystic acne or dermatitis, you go to your GP, a general practitioner.
44:55
SPEAKER_02: My recommendation is that get a referral.
44:58
SPEAKER_02: See a specialist.
44:59
SPEAKER_02: You know, and I I'm learning this all the time.
45:01
SPEAKER_02: I mean, my son has had bleeding noses, my eldest, for so long.
45:05
SPEAKER_02: And I I went to a GP several times and you know, we had blood work done, everything was fine.
45:10
SPEAKER_02: He didn't, I have Von Rillabrans disease, he doesn't have Von Milla Brans disease, and it kept going on.
45:14
SPEAKER_02: It was like, you know, try this, you know, blocking his nose this way and hold his head up and um, you know, try Vaseline inside his nose and all of this.
45:22
SPEAKER_02: And after like a year, I was like, I'm so over this.
45:24
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's got to be a reason.
45:26
SPEAKER_02: So I asked for a referral to an E-nose and throat specialist.
45:28
SPEAKER_02: Guess what?
45:29
SPEAKER_02: We took him in, the doctor numbed inside his nose, cauterized a little blood vessel, never had a bleeding nose again.
45:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, but it was really simple because I saw an expert.
45:40
SPEAKER_02: And I think that in my experience, even with the doctors, I mean, doctors are amazing.
45:45
SPEAKER_02: But you know, for me, having Bon Rilla brands, I have to have a pediatrician for the child because it's genetic.
45:50
SPEAKER_02: I have to have a hematologist for me, for my bloods.
45:52
SPEAKER_02: I have to have an obstetrician and I have to have an anethicist because I have to have cesareans under general anesthetic.
45:57
SPEAKER_02: And they're all top of their field medical doctors.
46:01
SPEAKER_02: But guess what?
46:01
SPEAKER_02: They don't talk to each other.
46:04
SPEAKER_02: So I'm planning for a natural, you know, vaginal birth.
46:07
SPEAKER_02: And then two weeks before I'm supposed to be having a baby, my hematologist says, Oh, by the way, it's a non-instrumental delivery.
46:13
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what that means.
46:14
SPEAKER_02: I've got no idea what that means.
46:15
SPEAKER_02: I'm not a doctor, you know.
46:16
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, oh, okay.
46:17
SPEAKER_02: So then I go to my obstetrician, I said, Oh, by the way, the hematologist told me a no-instrumental delivery.
46:21
SPEAKER_02: And he was like, Well, what do you mean?
46:23
SPEAKER_02: Well, craziness.
46:24
SPEAKER_02: Why would you?
46:25
SPEAKER_02: I can't give you a non-instrumental delivery.
46:28
SPEAKER_02: That means you have to have a cesarean.
46:29
SPEAKER_02: I'd been planning for a natural birth for 36 weeks.
46:32
SPEAKER_02: I had a doula, I wanted to do all of these things, and I was heartbroken that I had to find out that I had, thank God, I had caesareans.
46:38
SPEAKER_02: But at the time I was heartbroken that I had to have it.
46:40
SPEAKER_02: And then, you know, and then it's like because you can't use forceps or vacuum, and so many vaginal births ends with forceps or vacuums.
46:46
SPEAKER_02: So we can't use that because if the baby has Von Willebrand's disease and that kind of pressure to the baby's sensitive skull could cause bleeding to the brain, makes complete medical sense.
46:55
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
46:55
SPEAKER_02: But the obstetrician doesn't think about that, the hematologist thinks about that.
46:59
SPEAKER_02: Then they go to the anethicist, the need is looking at my books at 6 p.m.
47:04
SPEAKER_02: at night, and I'm scheduled for a cesarean at seven o'clock the next morning, and he calls me and he says, Anna, I've just been sent your blood work by the hematologist.
47:12
SPEAKER_02: I can't put a needle in your spine.
47:14
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, Oh my god, yay, I can have a natural birth.
47:18
SPEAKER_02: And they're like, No, no, no, I have to put you under a general anesthetic because I can't risk putting a needle in your spine with von Lillebrand's disease in the way that your blood platelets are.
47:27
SPEAKER_02: That could cause bleeding into the spine.
47:28
SPEAKER_02: I can't take that risk.
47:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, it's it's not.
47:32
SPEAKER_02: You know, then all of these doctors that are the top of their fields, but one is expert in in obstetrics, one is in hematology, one is in, you know, putting people to sleep or giving people, they don't, it's not their area of expertise.
47:46
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, if you are looking to change your diet or make simple things, then you know, I think your general practitioner is the best place to start.
47:54
SPEAKER_02: And if you don't get answers, see a specialist.
47:58
SPEAKER_01: I mean, honestly, I I don't know.
48:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm a little on the fence with that because I will agree with you that there is a lot of lack of communication between specialists, but general practitioners are kind of um, I don't know, I don't know what the best word is.
48:12
SPEAKER_01: Here in the US at least, I find them to be very much lacking in their medical knowledge.
48:16
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'll I'll be honest.
48:17
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I have I mean, I I feel that way too, but that's because they're because they're doing everything.
48:24
SPEAKER_02: You know, someone's coming in because they've got a swollen toe, someone's got an in because they're having a sore throat, someone's coming in because they've got knee pain, they have to deal with everything.
48:33
SPEAKER_02: So that's why it's a good start because they can point, but you ask them, point me in the right direction of the specialist that deals with you know, you're not gonna see a podiatrist if you've got heart palpitations, you know.
48:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's totally no, it totally makes sense.
48:49
SPEAKER_01: And I and I totally see where you're coming from.
48:51
SPEAKER_01: It it makes complete sense.
48:52
SPEAKER_01: And I think that, you know, we have such a tendency to get tunnel vision, you know, in medicine and in especially allopathic medicine, where you're not holistically looking at your patient, you are not considering all the factors that you forget about all of these other subspecialties, you know, like I think that is a huge problem.
49:09
SPEAKER_01: And it's definitely made medic, you know, going to a specialist or going to any doctor a little bit, you know, daunting for a lot of patients because it's like, well, am I even gonna get any answers?
49:20
SPEAKER_01: My my mother is in the same boat.
49:21
SPEAKER_01: I mean, hell, if you talk to my mom, she'll tell you, I hate going to she hates it.
49:25
SPEAKER_01: She hates going to the doctor because she feels like every time she goes, she's like, I I feel like I get nothing accomplished, nothing happens because it's the same BS, just in another way, you know, and so um she is very, very particular as well because she has the same issue where no one's communicating with each other.
49:42
SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, I want to actually I want to come back to your brand because I think one of the products that I really want to highlight um quickly, but importantly, is this anti-Gox antioxidant supplements you have.
49:53
SPEAKER_01: I absolutely love that you have this product.
49:56
SPEAKER_01: I think this is one of the most like trail-blazing products I've seen in a long time for ingestibles, especially because we all know, you know, well, you and I know, but for everyone listening, even if you do know, to reinstate, you know, glucose and glucose metabolism and glucose load and your glycemic index, your glycemic load, these are all things that impact almost every aspect of your health, not just weight or weight loss or whatever.
50:23
SPEAKER_01: They impact things like developing um anti like uh autoimmune diseases, for example.
50:29
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50:30
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50:30
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50:42
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50:45
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50:48
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50:55
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51:02
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51:07
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51:16
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51:23
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51:24
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51:30
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51:32
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51:39
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51:44
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51:49
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51:53
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51:55
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51:55
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51:59
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52:08
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52:29
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52:29
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52:31
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52:32
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52:36
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52:39
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52:55
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52:58
SPEAKER_01: Uh the website, you know, if you're in the US, it's us.vita glow, so V-I-D-A-G-L-O-W.com and check out the brand, check out everything, you know, in the line.
53:10
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53:12
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53:14
SPEAKER_01: My goal with Skincare Anarchy is always I only invite on the best of the best.
53:18
SPEAKER_01: So I'm not gonna have a supplement brand on here that I don't believe in, you know, or that I haven't tried myself.
53:23
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53:27
SPEAKER_01: And Anna is the real deal.
53:28
SPEAKER_01: She's she's as you can tell, she's all about the science, you know, and that's what we want.
53:33
SPEAKER_01: And somebody who's behind a supplement brand.
53:35
SPEAKER_01: So um, Anna, I want to thank you so much.
53:37
SPEAKER_01: You've been such a pleasure to speak with.
53:39
SPEAKER_01: It's been such an honor to host you.
53:40
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much.
53:41
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for having me.
53:42
SPEAKER_02: I'm so grateful.
53:43
SPEAKER_02: I really appreciate it.
53:44
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
53:44
SPEAKER_02: And thank you for your kind words.
53:46
SPEAKER_02: It means a lot to me, you know.
53:47
SPEAKER_02: So thank you.
53:48
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53:48
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53:49
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54:01
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54:02
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54:03
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