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Reason Talks Kendrick Vs. Cole, TDE Label Frustrations, Keys To Success In Music, New Album + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Morning.
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Speaker 2: Everybody is stej En v Charlamagne the guy. We are
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Speaker 2: the Breakfast Club. Of course, we got our niece Nhla
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Speaker 2: in here with us, and we got a special guest
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Speaker 2: in the building, the brother Reason Welcome.
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Speaker 3: What's the deal?
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Speaker 4: How you feeling.
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Speaker 3: I'm a little tired. I haven't adjusted yet to.
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Speaker 4: The I heard you say that coming from a little office.
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Speaker 1: Like coming back and forth the last couple of weeks
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Speaker 1: I have.
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Speaker 3: But I don't know why my body don't do the
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Speaker 3: adjusting thing, like I just stay on LA time all
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Speaker 3: the time. Yeah, it's weird, Like it's hard for me
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Speaker 3: to like fully adjust.
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Speaker 1: What time did you wake up this morning?
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Speaker 3: Like eight, which is like five? Yeah, okay, And I
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Speaker 3: don't go to sleep until super late because I'm not
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Speaker 3: tired until like four. So it's like I want to
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Speaker 3: sleep last night at like four and then I woke
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Speaker 3: up at eight.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, you got a new project y'all called Porches.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, can we call this an album? It is okay,
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Speaker 3: So I don't I don't like when artists do that,
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Speaker 3: like when yeah, like it's it's an album, Like it's fine,
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Speaker 3: like artists.
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Speaker 1: I saw.
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna name his name, but he he just dropped.
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Speaker 3: He dropped maybe like last year and he was like, oh,
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Speaker 3: this is my second album, Like you got eight projects out,
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Speaker 3: like it's there are albums to me, I'm not gonna.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to say no other artists.
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Speaker 3: You can say names. Every artist does that.
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Speaker 1: You call everybody from TD out.
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Speaker 5: Your own label, porch porches out.
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Speaker 1: And I like that album because I love a good porch.
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Speaker 6: No, no, don't piggyback now, Okay, I love a good porch.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. From the South, you know
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Speaker 1: what I love. I love a good porch.
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Speaker 5: I got a porch now, so I understand what you
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Speaker 5: mean when you talk about that porch.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the product of your environment. It's really
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Speaker 3: just like a metaphor for your environment. We're all, you know,
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Speaker 3: we're coming from our environment. If me and you grow
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Speaker 3: up in similar class, similar place, similar income, we're going
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Speaker 3: to go through similar ship. And that's kind of like
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Speaker 3: what the album storyline is about, is realizing the porch
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Speaker 3: that you want. Realize that you are a product in
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Speaker 3: your environment. And yes, you can grow on going to
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Speaker 3: do bigger things, but we need to understand and love
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Speaker 3: each other a little bit better knowing that we all
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Speaker 3: come from the same place, especially Untiday's time, because we
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Speaker 3: all just kind of point the finger at people when
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Speaker 3: something crazy happens, not understanding exactly like the things that
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Speaker 3: they've gone through whatnot.
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Speaker 4: Because that was the stoopid we call it the stupid.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the outro is it actually says that because
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Speaker 3: I got the homy shot out scrap. He's kind of
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Speaker 3: like narrating the album in like an older man voice,
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Speaker 3: and he said that he like New York niggas call
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Speaker 3: it a stoop like you know, he was like rich
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Speaker 3: white people. I don't know what they call it, but
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Speaker 3: they call it some shit, you know what I mean? Like, so, yeah,
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Speaker 3: same thing.
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Speaker 5: I love these kind of albums, man, because I love
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Speaker 5: a project that I'm listening to. And then I got
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Speaker 5: to look down at the track list to know what
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Speaker 5: this song is because it's so cohesive. Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 5: is that purposely done?
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Speaker 1: Of course it is.
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Speaker 3: It definitely is. I came in I started making this
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Speaker 3: album the idea behind it on my last album, New Beginning.
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Speaker 3: So the last album ended with a plethoro of dates
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Speaker 3: being said, and then this album picks up with those
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Speaker 3: dates being said, and now you're hearing the stories behind
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Speaker 3: those dates. So these are real stories that happened. There
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Speaker 3: were real dates, like some of these things you can
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Speaker 3: google because they actually happened. So it was definitely one
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Speaker 3: of those things I wanted to always wanted to make
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Speaker 3: a full blown cohesive album that people can listen to
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Speaker 3: it from front to back. I was always one of
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Speaker 3: my things on the bucket list. But I will say
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Speaker 3: it was way more work than I thought it was
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Speaker 3: gonna be. Like halfway through, I was like, I don't
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Speaker 3: know if I want to do this shit no more
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Speaker 3: making au making like it to connect all the way
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Speaker 3: through like that is a lot more work, especially in
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Speaker 3: the lame time, Yeah, where everybody just kind of like
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Speaker 3: has the playlist albums start. I mean, people don't do
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Speaker 3: it no more, like with ther Skids and everything, you know,
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Speaker 3: very lost art.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so it takes a lot of if you
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Speaker 3: want to do it right, it takes a lot of coordination.
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Speaker 3: It takes a lot of time and making sure that
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Speaker 3: you don't miss any gaps or details or or you know,
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Speaker 3: making sure the aesthetic of it, like we brought in
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Speaker 3: the folly, got to do the all the sound effects
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Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and it just takes a lot
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Speaker 3: more work than I you know, thought I was kind
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Speaker 3: of getting myself into it if you.
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Speaker 5: Had guidance from other TD people because if it wasn't
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Speaker 5: alienating everybody, is that thing?
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Speaker 3: Is that what it is?
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Speaker 1: Off?
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Speaker 5: The people have done this before? Okay, this is the
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Speaker 5: camp that does it a lot. Kendrick does it a lot,
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Speaker 5: even though yeah, yea yeah, you know yeah.
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Speaker 4: So people would ask, what's your relationship with TD?
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Speaker 2: Is there problem? Is is charlamye say, and you don't
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Speaker 2: accept the guidance? What's what's what's the situation?
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Speaker 3: Like, don't accept the guidance is crazy? I'm always willing
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Speaker 3: to accept guidance, but nah, it's it's that entire situation.
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Speaker 3: Like that was a conversation that me and move have
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Speaker 3: had behind closed doors a lot. It was just one
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Speaker 3: of those things that it probably shouldn't have been well
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Speaker 3: not probably, it definitely just shouldn't have been out in
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Speaker 3: the public, you know what I mean. But there's a
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Speaker 3: lot of misconceptions about that, Like because it happened, there's
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Speaker 3: a misconception that Musa didn't think this album was quality.
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Speaker 3: Musa loves this album, like he helped me pick some
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Speaker 3: of the records. You get what I'm saying, And so
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Speaker 3: it was just one of those things that got so
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Speaker 3: nasty and so ugly publicly that now everything is a thing,
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Speaker 3: Like everything is a headline. The release party ship became
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Speaker 3: a headline. That was my fun That was yeah, But
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Speaker 3: it was like in the in the flow of the
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Speaker 3: context of the conversation, that one, that one, that one,
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Speaker 3: that one was, that one was my fault. I owned
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Speaker 3: that one. It was in the flow of the conversation.
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Speaker 3: What I was trying to say was because I was asked,
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Speaker 3: was just a weird week that you had to be
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Speaker 3: around people. I'm like, I didn't really have to be
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Speaker 3: around nobody because I had a release party. They come,
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Speaker 3: but I didn't. Well I did explain, but that's not
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Speaker 3: in the clip. We had a listening party the week
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Speaker 3: before that the label put together, and then my release party.
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Speaker 3: I put it together like for the homies and family
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Speaker 3: and shit, and because everything was happening, they just gave
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Speaker 3: me space on it. So it was one of those
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Speaker 3: things where I was like, I shouldn't have said that.
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: Cole Kendrick. Thing was wild too. It wasn't wild. There
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Speaker 1: was no reason for that reason. People don't know what
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Speaker 1: I said. People, I don't know what we said.
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Speaker 5: He said that when Cole drops his next project, he's
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Speaker 5: going to pass him.
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Speaker 3: I didn't say that, that's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 3: I said, when Cole drops his next project, he will
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Speaker 3: be bigger. Not bigger than Kendrick, He'll be a lot bigger.
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Speaker 3: I said, he's doing a lot more current things. I
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Speaker 3: think he'll see the fruits of his labor. I said,
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Speaker 3: I think God is bigger right now, but I think
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Speaker 3: Cold's going to grow a lot. I don't know who's
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Speaker 3: going to be bigger, and I really don't care, Like
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Speaker 3: both of these niggas are like like gods to me,
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Speaker 3: Like I don't I don't really get into the argument
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Speaker 3: of who's the biggest out of Drake Colon Dot, Like
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Speaker 3: I'll get into arguments of who I think would have
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Speaker 3: a better verse on a song. But yeah, yeah, but
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Speaker 3: I entertained that, But I don't really get into like
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Speaker 3: the bigger argument. You just meant, like moment, I just
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Speaker 3: me and me, And when Cole drops this album, I
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Speaker 3: think it'll be he will be a lot bigger him,
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Speaker 3: not bigger than anybody else, But I mean it's supposed
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Speaker 3: it's supposed to be his it's supposed to be his
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Speaker 3: last album. I think that. I think that he's gonna
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Speaker 3: go out like with a bang if it is this
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Speaker 3: last album. We know how Sugar go. But I don't
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Speaker 3: know if there's anybody I think that'll stand on their word.
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Speaker 3: I think it's Cold.
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Speaker 1: Where did the bigger than Kendrick thing come from?
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Speaker 3: Because niggas want headlines like they asked, who is bigger
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Speaker 3: at a dot in in col And I said, I
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Speaker 3: don't know, but I know this is the fall off
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Speaker 3: dot is. I mean, Cold has been very, very consistent
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Speaker 3: over the years. I think he'll see the fruits of
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Speaker 3: his labor after he drops this album. I think he'll
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Speaker 3: be much bigger. And it became that he's bigger than that.
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Speaker 1: That's crazy, you know what? All I saw the headline.
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Speaker 5: About everybody, you know, because Reason been out here saying
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Speaker 5: even shooting TV.
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Speaker 1: Somebody was like, damn Reason.
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Speaker 3: I ain't even been shooting at them like that, man,
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Speaker 3: Like I just I said my truth, My true truth
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Speaker 3: for me was that I wanted to be more consistent.
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Speaker 3: I wanted to put out more music. That was what
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Speaker 3: I was getting.
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Speaker 5: Your fault and you don't reason. I've told you this
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Speaker 5: a million times. You are phenomenal artists to make grades songs.
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Speaker 5: You're because the consistence, consistency is on you.
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying is I don't that's that's not
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Speaker 3: my truth. And I don't want to, you know, because
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Speaker 3: when I go into detail, it's like it looks like
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Speaker 3: I'm like smearing the label. I don't want to do that.
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Speaker 3: But that's not my truth. I don't think it's my fault.
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Speaker 1: They don't want you to drive mixtapes in nothing.
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Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's TD. It's just the way that
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Speaker 3: they do things, Like it's not as simple as just
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Speaker 3: make a project, put it together, turn it in and
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Speaker 3: it's out. Trust me, Like I make a lot of music,
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Speaker 3: Like I just backed up my hard drive. I had
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Speaker 3: thirteen hundred records. But I'm not an artist that don't
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Speaker 3: work Like that's a that's not a thing.
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Speaker 2: But you do know, sometimes is like the perfect storm, right,
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Speaker 2: and sometimes I guess we fish for that perfect storm.
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Speaker 2: But as a label, I'm sure they invest and they
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Speaker 2: want that perfect storm. They want to make sure your
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Speaker 2: roleoute is right, so when it does hit, it connects
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Speaker 2: the right way and not just connect as a Okay,
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Speaker 2: well he did this and moves on.
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Speaker 4: And we've seen it with Sism, We've seen it with
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Speaker 4: you know, we've seen it.
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Speaker 3: With a lot of that.
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Speaker 4: Like they've hit the album.
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Speaker 5: I know, but she's been cooking in so long that
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Speaker 5: now she's got singles that are like going.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure, yeah now she got she got
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Speaker 3: she got singles that's going. But I also think that
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Speaker 3: like the artists with the exception adult She that we
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Speaker 3: name it like like they're big, Like bigger artists can
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Speaker 3: chill for four years like that.
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Speaker 5: But that took a lot of time beforehand, like back
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Speaker 5: when you we're thinking of now, but think about that
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Speaker 5: back if.
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Speaker 3: You if you think about dot before a good kid
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Speaker 3: Mes City, Kendrick Lamar LP section eighty, the the one
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Speaker 3: that he did, all the little Wayne beats, I forgot
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Speaker 3: what that was. Those those came back to back like
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Speaker 3: they were flooding you. Like when you're a bigger artist,
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Speaker 3: then you can kind of chill and sit back and
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Speaker 3: be like yo, I'm away four years and between you,
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Speaker 3: like we see what twenty one is doing in twenty
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Speaker 3: one was a nigga that was flooding all the time.
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Speaker 3: And he hasn't dropped the album in maybe like three years.
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Speaker 3: But it's fine because he's twenty one savage. You know
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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. The album with Drake two years well yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: but I'm just saying I'm saying that even before that though,
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Speaker 3: I think it was like two and a half three
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Speaker 3: years before before that, before the album with Drake, and even.
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Speaker 2: You to drop your own music, they say, hey, I
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Speaker 2: just want to release this mix tape or whatever it is,
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Speaker 2: so you can't even drop they're telling you they don't
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Speaker 2: even want you to do that.
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Speaker 3: It's just it's just same destination, different roads. Like that's
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Speaker 3: where we run into our issues. It's like we both
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Speaker 3: have we all have the same destination that we want
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Speaker 3: to get to. We just see different paths of getting
9:17
Speaker 3: there and that can cause frustration, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: I see your path like we can do this and
9:21
Speaker 3: do it this way. Sometimes they see it that way,
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Speaker 3: and it ultimately, you know what I mean, can kind
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Speaker 3: of clash at times.
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Speaker 1: When you drop music under like another name like explanation.
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Speaker 4: But you do feel like it's you have the common
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Speaker 4: goal of winning.
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Speaker 3: That's what I meant when I said it was a
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Speaker 3: lot of misconceptions. Like it was like like because that
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Speaker 3: that ship got so nasty publicly, it was almost like
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Speaker 3: the conception was that, like I feel like they don't
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Speaker 3: want me to be successful and that they feel like
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Speaker 3: I'm not a good artist, which that's not it, but
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Speaker 3: it got so nasty that that's kind of what it was.
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Speaker 3: But I do think it's a common goal, like like
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Speaker 3: top in them they want they want all of their
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Speaker 3: artists to be big stars, you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 3: And we all want to be big stars as well.
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Speaker 3: And sometimes you just see different roads in that and
10:06
Speaker 3: you kind of, you know what I mean, you go
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Speaker 3: back and forth on it, and like I said, that
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Speaker 3: wasn't like like that was just bad because it was public.
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Speaker 3: We've had way worse shit than that, you get what
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Speaker 3: I'm saying. And I think if I would have responded
10:16
Speaker 3: on the spot and went back at him, I think
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Speaker 3: it would have been like one of the conversations we've
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Speaker 3: had behind closed doors. And that was part of the
10:22
Speaker 3: reason why I just shut up, even though it was hard,
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Speaker 3: because I didn't want it to get any worse than
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Speaker 3: it already was. I feel like it overshadowed the album slightly,
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Speaker 3: because slightly yeah yeah, if everybody's talking about reason issues
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Speaker 3: with TD as opposed to the music, Yeah yeah, and
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Speaker 3: that's it's weird. It's like a double edged storre. Like
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Speaker 3: it gave more eyes to the album. Like if didn't
10:43
Speaker 3: nobody know I was dropping an album that Friday, they knew
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Speaker 3: after that. But it also, like you said, it created
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Speaker 3: a different conversation instead of having a conversation about the music.
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Speaker 3: And like, but the people that have listened to it,
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Speaker 3: like my feedback has been incredible, Like it's especially from
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Speaker 3: all of my fans that's been waiting for me. They're like,
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Speaker 3: this is by far your work well worth the wait.
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Speaker 3: And you know that just goes into like all the
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Speaker 3: work that I put in. But that was an annoying thing.
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Speaker 3: It's like, now this is what we're talking about, instead
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Speaker 3: of you know, the visuals, instead of the storyline, instead
11:13
Speaker 3: of us, you know, announcing the tour, we're kind of waiting,
11:16
Speaker 3: you know, for to you know, die down a little bit,
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Speaker 3: like I would have rather just kind of like go
11:21
Speaker 3: straight through with the music.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you question why why it's gonna sound stupid,
11:24
Speaker 2: but why did you sign the TD Because you know,
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Speaker 2: a lot of artists sign the TD because if say,
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Speaker 2: they got artist I can work with, I can collaborate with,
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Speaker 2: They have producers that I can work with, They have
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Speaker 2: a stream for me to get.
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Speaker 1: Heard and out.
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Speaker 4: What was your reason of signing with TD and what
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Speaker 4: did you expect?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a little, a little all of those things, but
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Speaker 3: basically it was the Lakers. I'm from the I'm from
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Speaker 3: LA and that's the Lakers for us, you know what
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Speaker 3: I mean. And so U when I when I signed,
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Speaker 3: I did. I did want to come in and work
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Speaker 3: with you know, Kendrick and Q and have this you know,
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Speaker 3: super cohesive family relationship, the same ship that I grew
11:56
Speaker 3: up on watching. And I think that that's not their fault.
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Speaker 3: That was just me being like naive. It's like signing
12:02
Speaker 3: to the Lakers, You're like, oh, nigga'mout to go work
12:04
Speaker 3: out with Kobe and this, and then you realize, like, Niga,
12:06
Speaker 3: Kobe don't work out with niggas that just signed to
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Speaker 3: the team, Like he don't even know if you're gonna
12:09
Speaker 3: steal you know what I'm saying, Like, and so it
12:11
Speaker 3: was kind of like that was my expectation, like, oh,
12:13
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get in with sound Wave and I'm a
12:14
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like and it was really
12:16
Speaker 3: like no, you're You're still signing to a label and
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Speaker 3: like now the work begins. And I even talk about
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Speaker 3: that on the album on Gang Shit, I talk about
12:24
Speaker 3: how like I thought that this was what it was
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Speaker 3: gonna be. That's what that record is about. It's me
12:29
Speaker 3: taking the accountability. Like I thought that this was what
12:31
Speaker 3: that was, what the situation was gonna be. Now that
12:34
Speaker 3: I'm here, I realize it's not. But as long as
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Speaker 3: Top is rocking with me, like it's up to me
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Speaker 3: to do everything that I have to do, you know
12:41
Speaker 3: what I mean for my career. But yeah, I signed
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Speaker 3: with him for all of those reasons. I combined like
12:45
Speaker 3: I'm from LA I watched TD grow, you know what
12:48
Speaker 3: I mean, and so and it's like that's another miss
12:51
Speaker 3: like it's love from like I have a great relationship
12:54
Speaker 3: with majority of the artists. It's weird. We live in
12:56
Speaker 3: a time now where when you tell the truth, it
12:57
Speaker 3: sounds like you're like speaking down on some ship, you
13:01
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like I said, I don't have
13:02
Speaker 3: a relationship with Sizza. Everybody took that it's like that
13:05
Speaker 3: was like a bad thing. I'm like, well, do the
13:08
Speaker 3: artists at Atlantic have relationships with Cardi b Every artist
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Speaker 3: Atlantic don't got a relationship with?
13:12
Speaker 1: You're the perception that the general public has of labels.
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Speaker 3: Labels or family small, they say with Bad Boy.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure they seen it with Rockere, they seen it
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Speaker 2: with Death Row, so it's it's small lab But I
13:24
Speaker 2: know you broke down some of those lyricscause you was
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Speaker 2: telling me some of those lyrics.
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Speaker 1: You just said it.
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Speaker 6: But I mean I feel like that about a lot
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Speaker 6: of companies working at Power. I thought the same thing too,
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Speaker 6: So I totally understand you.
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Speaker 1: But fuck with you. I'm playing. I'm playing.
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Speaker 3: We don't got it all right?
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Speaker 1: So okay, a few things.
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Speaker 6: Do you feel like the issue between or the differences
13:46
Speaker 6: between you and TD it's just patients on your behalf.
13:49
Speaker 3: You just gotta I think I think it's a little
13:51
Speaker 3: bit of both. I would say it's partly patients, but
13:54
Speaker 3: then as well, like my last album was three years ago,
13:57
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think that that's all patients. Like I
13:59
Speaker 3: don't know, like like I don't know a up and
14:02
Speaker 3: coming artist that can like consistently move like with three
14:07
Speaker 3: year gaps, consistently within their meals, Like if this was
14:10
Speaker 3: how it was supposed was gonna go for the next
14:12
Speaker 3: ten years, it's like, so yeah, it's patience because I
14:14
Speaker 3: do gotta wait for things to get right. But it's
14:16
Speaker 3: also like we also do kind of gotta you know,
14:19
Speaker 3: catch up with like what the times are now, which
14:21
Speaker 3: is it has to be a little bit faster.
14:23
Speaker 2: Have I survived during that time because three years is
14:25
Speaker 2: a long time, especially during pandemic, you know, outer pandemic,
14:28
Speaker 2: But you still got bills to pay, you got rent,
14:30
Speaker 2: you got more.
14:34
Speaker 3: Honestly, I survived because of my fan Like New Beginners
14:36
Speaker 3: did really really well, Like my fans just kept streaming it,
14:40
Speaker 3: like I think it's like over one hundred and thirty
14:42
Speaker 3: k units, So just because my fans just kept straying.
14:44
Speaker 3: That's literally how I survived was just off of my
14:47
Speaker 3: streaming money, you know what I mean. And that was
14:49
Speaker 3: another thing why I could admit that I was a
14:52
Speaker 3: little frustrated when I was talking about certain things, cause
14:54
Speaker 3: I'm like, I got in this to make music, but
14:57
Speaker 3: also got in this to like make money and feed
14:59
Speaker 3: my family, you know what I mean. And it is
15:01
Speaker 3: hard when you're not dropping music because if you're not
15:03
Speaker 3: dropping music, you're also not really doing shows like that.
15:06
Speaker 3: And then it was also COVID, and I dropped New
15:08
Speaker 3: Beginners in the heart of COVID, so I didn't even
15:10
Speaker 3: get to tour New Beginners. So there's a lot of
15:12
Speaker 3: things that kind of play into me being like, yo,
15:14
Speaker 3: I'm ready to get back out there and put some
15:16
Speaker 3: music out. You get what I'm saying.
15:17
Speaker 5: So I can't remember what song it was, but there's
15:18
Speaker 5: a song on the album when you're talking about how
15:20
Speaker 5: your family thinks you got so much.
15:22
Speaker 1: Money and you didn't you didn't change.
15:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the first that's the first verse.
15:29
Speaker 3: So the first verse is about I thought that it
15:32
Speaker 3: was family. I thought it was supposed to be gang shit.
15:33
Speaker 3: And look at how y'all act now that I'm in
15:35
Speaker 3: this situation. You think I got all this money, you
15:37
Speaker 3: think I have all this fame and stuff like that,
15:39
Speaker 3: but like that's not really how my life is. And
15:42
Speaker 3: look at how you're acting now. And the climax of
15:44
Speaker 3: the verse is like my family member yelling at me,
15:47
Speaker 3: calling me Reason, And I'm like, I thought you knew
15:48
Speaker 3: me as Rob my entire life. You called me Rob,
15:50
Speaker 3: Like why are you now calling me Reason? That came
15:52
Speaker 3: from a real place, Like I got family members that
15:54
Speaker 3: called me Reason. It's weird, Like I've known you since
15:56
Speaker 3: I was two.
15:58
Speaker 1: They probably think you got way more than what you get.
15:59
Speaker 3: Way more. Know when I got way busier than what
16:01
Speaker 3: I got. They say things like, oh, you know, I
16:02
Speaker 3: was gonna text you, but I thought that, you know,
16:04
Speaker 3: I figured you would be busy, Like why did you
16:06
Speaker 3: Why do you just assume I'm too busy to text
16:08
Speaker 3: you now because I'm quote unquote reason, Like that's you
16:11
Speaker 3: know what I mean crazy to me?
16:12
Speaker 1: So yeah, right now.
16:15
Speaker 6: But I do want to start with just the intro
16:16
Speaker 6: of the projects. We're talking about porches, but in it
16:20
Speaker 6: you talk about how you guys all are connected through
16:22
Speaker 6: the porches, but also they feel kind of like entitled
16:25
Speaker 6: to what you got going on, good or bad?
16:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, how do you break that? It's less of
16:32
Speaker 3: like entitled this more about uh, this is kind of
16:35
Speaker 3: what comes with it. And the reason why I wanted
16:36
Speaker 3: to highlight that in the intro is because on every
16:38
Speaker 3: single hip hop album we always hear people talk about
16:41
Speaker 3: the negative stuff that went on in their neighborhood. It's
16:43
Speaker 3: always I'm from the hood, niggas die chalk out lines
16:47
Speaker 3: bla sa blah. But for me, I wanted to highlight
16:50
Speaker 3: that there's great things that come with that too. There's persistence,
16:53
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. There's my sister taught me
16:55
Speaker 3: to be brave and take leaps on things that I
16:58
Speaker 3: want in life. You get what I'm saying. Like my
17:00
Speaker 3: mom taught me rationality, my pops hustled. You taught me
17:03
Speaker 3: out of hustle. Like, there's great things that come from
17:05
Speaker 3: being with those places and all of those things kind
17:08
Speaker 3: of come into it instead of us just only highlighting
17:10
Speaker 3: like the negative stuff.
17:11
Speaker 6: So yeah, I'm broken with to break. You said, I
17:14
Speaker 6: was born in this machine. Some niggas are still in it.
17:16
Speaker 6: How did you find your way out?
17:19
Speaker 3: Honestly, I went to school in Iowa, which is crazy
17:22
Speaker 3: to say. I played basketball and I was out there
17:24
Speaker 3: with all the white people in Iowa, and that was
17:26
Speaker 3: like a culture shock. I had never been coming from
17:28
Speaker 3: where I was from. I didn't have a white relationship
17:30
Speaker 3: in my life until I went I know that sound.
17:34
Speaker 3: I didn't I'm being dead ass here. Before I went
17:36
Speaker 3: to college, I didn't have a white relationship in my life.
17:39
Speaker 3: There was nobody that I talked to in any type
17:41
Speaker 3: of consistent format that was white. And then I went
17:43
Speaker 3: to Iowa and there were three black people in my school,
17:46
Speaker 3: including me, you know what I mean. And so that
17:48
Speaker 3: just gave me a different perspective of how life is
17:52
Speaker 3: and understanding that everything is in so vain and in
17:56
Speaker 3: this box and whatnot, you know what I mean. And
17:57
Speaker 3: so it made me grow up a lot. And then
17:59
Speaker 3: when I came back, I was just like, nah, I
18:01
Speaker 3: want to do more shit because I've seen a little
18:04
Speaker 3: bit of the world, you know what I mean. So, yeah,
18:05
Speaker 3: just put a different perspective in me.
18:08
Speaker 6: It's broken. Went to break based off a true story,
18:11
Speaker 6: like the story you tell you.
18:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's about it's about my homeboy. But I didn't
18:14
Speaker 3: want to put his name in there. But my homeboy
18:16
Speaker 3: came back off of a winter break. You could tell
18:18
Speaker 3: that he was a little bit different of a person,
18:20
Speaker 3: ended up getting robbed, And it's about the mindset of
18:23
Speaker 3: you know, you come back home, you get robbed. He
18:26
Speaker 3: not really tripping because he just like I don't really
18:28
Speaker 3: care about this shit, but he's feeling pressured as a
18:30
Speaker 3: man from his neighborhood that we got to go get
18:32
Speaker 3: it back, and so he has to put on this
18:34
Speaker 3: front like yo, I'm with whatever, but really in his
18:37
Speaker 3: mind he's like, I don't want to do like this
18:39
Speaker 3: shit is stupid. I don't want to do it. But
18:40
Speaker 3: then ultimately at the end, the story is really about
18:42
Speaker 3: his little brother that's sitting there on the porch watching
18:44
Speaker 3: all us, because his little brother is seeing it, and
18:46
Speaker 3: this is what his little brother grows up to be.
18:49
Speaker 3: And then later on the album you have Busting Slash
18:51
Speaker 3: it says w B part two, but that's Winter Break
18:53
Speaker 3: part two, and so Busting is the little bit little
18:55
Speaker 3: boy when he's older, you get what I'm saying. And
18:57
Speaker 3: so now he's on a whole different mindset because this
18:59
Speaker 3: is all the shit that he saw.
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Speaker 5: I love how you connected that generational trauma, that generational
19:03
Speaker 5: curse that's going and you got to be cognizant of
19:05
Speaker 5: your actions because the next generation is watching.
19:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the thing I love about that story is
19:09
Speaker 3: that the actions aren't coming from a true place. It's
19:13
Speaker 3: coming from a place of a man that thinks that
19:14
Speaker 3: he has to do that. And so a lot of
19:17
Speaker 3: times we get trauma passed down because this is literally
19:19
Speaker 3: what niggas are doing every day. But this story is like, nah,
19:22
Speaker 3: this nigga don't want to do this. He just feel
19:23
Speaker 3: like he has to. And even like you know, with
19:27
Speaker 3: him not really having to do it, he still passes
19:29
Speaker 3: it down. And now the little kid has grown and
19:32
Speaker 3: he's with everything that you know, he thought his brother
19:35
Speaker 3: was actually with.
19:35
Speaker 5: Now talking to me about Caucasian the States because you
19:37
Speaker 5: said you hated white people.
19:41
Speaker 3: Not headlines.
19:42
Speaker 1: I don't like, what is that mansions?
19:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it starts with me describing the porch and
19:52
Speaker 3: the and then the next record is Caucasian the States.
19:54
Speaker 3: And there's a date set in there, which is July
19:56
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. That's when I met Mussa. And basically the
19:58
Speaker 3: mindset is as soon as niggas get a little bit
20:01
Speaker 3: of money, that's the first thing we want to do
20:03
Speaker 3: is get a better car and go live in a
20:04
Speaker 3: white neighborhood. So it's Caucasian in the States we want to
20:06
Speaker 3: go live in. And so it's a it's a like
20:08
Speaker 3: a braggy, cocky song because that's how you that's how
20:11
Speaker 3: I felt when I met Moussa and I was about
20:13
Speaker 3: to sign with TV. I'm gonna have all the money,
20:15
Speaker 3: all the women about to go give me a crib
20:18
Speaker 3: out here. I'm about to dry. And that's how your
20:20
Speaker 3: mind automatically is. So yeah, that's Caucasian the States. I know.
20:23
Speaker 6: We're talking about you putting together cohesive project and having skits,
20:27
Speaker 6: and I love that, But I gotta say, I do
20:29
Speaker 6: hate some of your skits because, like I just don't
20:32
Speaker 6: like the way you painted the women saying like there's
20:35
Speaker 6: always a new nigga who could take care of.
20:36
Speaker 3: Us and all that. That's not I mean, that's always
20:39
Speaker 3: the case. It's not always the case. That's just like
20:42
Speaker 3: the truth of what I grew up around. Like that
20:45
Speaker 3: was like not like like my sister and my close friends,
20:48
Speaker 3: but like that's kind of like the women when I
20:50
Speaker 3: grew up, Like the women's attitude was like, you know what,
20:52
Speaker 3: one man won't do for you, another man will, and
20:54
Speaker 3: that was kind of like the way that they carried themselves.
20:57
Speaker 3: But there's also a woman in the group that she's
21:00
Speaker 3: the one that's like she wants to stay with her dude, Yeah,
21:02
Speaker 3: she got home.
21:03
Speaker 1: You know what?
21:03
Speaker 3: I'm saying, and that was about my homegirl. I had
21:05
Speaker 3: a homegirl that she was just a hopeless romantic. She
21:07
Speaker 3: always no matter how much her friends is like that.
21:09
Speaker 3: She was like, I'm like, I do have hope that
21:12
Speaker 3: I'll find a man that, you know what I mean,
21:14
Speaker 3: can actually be that man. So for me, that was like,
21:16
Speaker 3: it was it was my truth. That was what I saw.
21:19
Speaker 5: I like, I like when people take old sayings and
21:21
Speaker 5: kind of like update them. So you had the girl
21:23
Speaker 5: say the best way to get over with one man
21:25
Speaker 5: is to get upoint or another.
21:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, some girl are in front or in front.
21:31
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that's yeah, or in front of it,
21:34
Speaker 3: and I let them do they thing. That was probably
21:35
Speaker 3: like my most fun part about making this project was
21:38
Speaker 3: the skits, like because it was really with the homies.
21:40
Speaker 3: We tried to get actors and they sent me a
21:42
Speaker 3: bunch of like acting auditions and whatnot, and I was
21:44
Speaker 3: just like, it's too PROP was like, these niggas suck,
21:46
Speaker 3: But it's because they're not from La, you know what
21:48
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So I'm getting shipped from people from everywhere.
21:50
Speaker 3: I'm like, nobody's gonna know how to do. So I
21:52
Speaker 3: just ended up calling all the homies, you know what
21:54
Speaker 3: I mean. And we just literally was in there like
21:56
Speaker 3: miked up and just acting out the Dice game scenes.
21:58
Speaker 3: I just had Nigga shoot Dice for thirty minutes and
22:00
Speaker 3: just like go back and forth and whatnot. So it
22:03
Speaker 3: was dope because it came out as authentic as possible.
22:05
Speaker 5: For how do you feel when the women you use
22:07
Speaker 5: for skits ask you for the tickets and you can't
22:09
Speaker 5: get it.
22:12
Speaker 3: I can get Sisit tickets. I just you know, I
22:15
Speaker 3: might not be able to, you know, go on stage
22:17
Speaker 3: and I'm joking, I'm juggling. I'm joking before they take
22:19
Speaker 3: that out of context, But yes, I can get Sisit tickets. Okay,
22:22
Speaker 3: her show was incredible.
22:23
Speaker 1: Are such a troll? All right?
22:31
Speaker 6: So on sending to after like it's crazy the outro,
22:34
Speaker 6: You're saying, more money, we start to make, more danger
22:36
Speaker 6: we get in life, Love my people so damn much.
22:39
Speaker 6: Pray one day we get it right. We can build
22:41
Speaker 6: till we together. We're gonna always sacrifice country hater us.
22:44
Speaker 6: No more sending each other to after Life.
22:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, love the outro.
22:47
Speaker 3: What do you think people hear you? It's probably not
22:52
Speaker 3: because it's like this is a cycle. It's like we
22:55
Speaker 3: like niggas get money and they can't or get success
22:59
Speaker 3: or even the the image of success and money, and automatically,
23:03
Speaker 3: like they do, become a target. And to me, it's
23:05
Speaker 3: just crazy because it's like I feel like we can
23:07
Speaker 3: all build together. Like to me, it's like if there's
23:10
Speaker 3: one millionaire in the room, that opens the door for
23:12
Speaker 3: there to before and then if they walk into different rooms,
23:14
Speaker 3: that opens the door for there to be eight more
23:16
Speaker 3: in those other rooms. And instead of us thinking like
23:19
Speaker 3: that the first thing we think about, it's like, oh,
23:20
Speaker 3: that's a lick, Like that's that's a that's somebody that
23:23
Speaker 3: we can come up on right now, you know what
23:24
Speaker 3: I mean. And so and it's like the country already
23:27
Speaker 3: don't want us to be there anyway, So why are
23:29
Speaker 3: we doing their job? Well, not their job, but what
23:32
Speaker 3: they act like is their job for them. Like why
23:34
Speaker 3: are we sitting here, you know, targeting each other when
23:36
Speaker 3: we can just build together and we can all get on.
23:39
Speaker 3: So that's kind of like what it is. But I mean,
23:41
Speaker 3: I don't know if people hear me. I hope you
23:43
Speaker 3: know what I mean. But I hope that we don't
23:45
Speaker 3: have to have more rappers, you know, yeah getting ribbed
23:48
Speaker 3: or dying or having to protect themselves. I hope that's
23:50
Speaker 3: the case.
23:51
Speaker 5: Well, why'd you call Gina august Alsina?
23:53
Speaker 3: And it's a fun record, I say, fucking on cougars
23:56
Speaker 3: like August Helsina. I just like the line, So I
23:58
Speaker 3: just called it, Yeah, I called it August her Seena.
23:59
Speaker 3: That's probably like my favorite story that's broken in like
24:02
Speaker 3: the last ten years. I love the entire like entire
24:05
Speaker 3: Will Smith. I want a documentary on that. That entire
24:09
Speaker 3: situation is just like the most fascinating thing in me,
24:11
Speaker 3: like any any because it's just like Will Smith is
24:15
Speaker 3: like the guy, like he's fresh prince, like he's like
24:17
Speaker 3: and so like I look at things at different perspectives
24:21
Speaker 3: like everybody else saw. It's like, damn, I can't believe
24:22
Speaker 3: he slapped I'm like there's a story there, Like he
24:25
Speaker 3: ain't just slap him because of that night, Like there's
24:26
Speaker 3: something there that's like there's a lot of yeah, you
24:29
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And and you know his wife
24:31
Speaker 3: being on the show and talking about everything and the
24:33
Speaker 3: pot ship, like they should do a documentary on that ship.
24:36
Speaker 3: Like that's a very very interesting story. And I feel
24:38
Speaker 3: like people just focus on the climaxes of the story,
24:40
Speaker 3: but I'm like, it's a lots on fold there, Like
24:42
Speaker 3: that's literally my favorite story.
24:45
Speaker 4: If that, if that family's heal, if the if.
24:46
Speaker 3: The family's here, if the family.
24:48
Speaker 5: Don't think that story becomes a story without that red
24:50
Speaker 5: table talk I agree, I don't think I agree, But
24:54
Speaker 5: even that is there's something to impact there. It's like,
24:58
Speaker 5: why is that conversation happening on red table talk? There's
25:01
Speaker 5: something behind, There's something there that's like that's allowing that
25:05
Speaker 5: to to get out.
25:06
Speaker 3: You get what I'm saying, to be a thing.
25:08
Speaker 1: To see, like things that should be private public.
25:11
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, similar to the yeah you know,
25:14
Speaker 3: I got where you were going.
25:18
Speaker 5: I little too much too Yeah yeah, yeah.
25:22
Speaker 3: That's my that's that's the homie. We used to call
25:25
Speaker 3: him Melly Mail. I don't want to put his whole
25:27
Speaker 3: government out there, but I went to high school with
25:29
Speaker 3: him and he went to a party. He was like
25:31
Speaker 3: top ten running back in the nation, went to a party,
25:34
Speaker 3: got into a fight, a guy got killed, and uh,
25:37
Speaker 3: you know, he knew the person that did it, uh,
25:39
Speaker 3: but he got arrested for it. And so he sat
25:41
Speaker 3: in jail for a year and his entire life change.
25:44
Speaker 3: Lost all of the scholarships was like major setback, but
25:47
Speaker 3: he felt like he couldn't. Of course, where we're from,
25:49
Speaker 3: you can't tell who did it, so you just got
25:51
Speaker 3: to kind of sit until the whole thing plays out.
25:53
Speaker 3: And even that story. That's one thing I like about
25:55
Speaker 3: all the stories on the album is that there's two
25:57
Speaker 3: stories in it. It's what happened to Melvin, but then
25:59
Speaker 3: it's also about like black men and how we handle
26:03
Speaker 3: our issues. Because the other story behind is when I
26:05
Speaker 3: called him and he was in jail and I asked
26:06
Speaker 3: somebody he was doing. He just said he was fine,
26:08
Speaker 3: and it's like that's another thing. It's like we don't
26:10
Speaker 3: talk about the shit that we're going through. So it's
26:12
Speaker 3: a two folded conversation in that, and I remember thinking like,
26:16
Speaker 3: there's no way he could be like this. Nigga's whole
26:18
Speaker 3: life is completely gone, Like he was headed to the
26:20
Speaker 3: NFL and now he don't know where he's going, you
26:22
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And so but he was just
26:24
Speaker 3: always like no, I'm cool, like you know, it is
26:25
Speaker 3: what it is. And I could just tell that it
26:27
Speaker 3: affected him.
26:28
Speaker 5: And The other thing with that song is like there's
26:30
Speaker 5: no reward for real niggas.
26:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's no it's no, it's no like like
26:35
Speaker 3: like pot of gold at the end of that you
26:37
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like this you sat in jail
26:39
Speaker 3: for you it came home to what one thousand percent?
26:40
Speaker 3: But it's also like you if you do do it,
26:42
Speaker 3: like what do you come home to on that end,
26:44
Speaker 3: And that's a very real thing. I've seen it, you
26:46
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I've seen that be become a
26:48
Speaker 3: real thing. So it's one of those things where you
26:49
Speaker 3: got to hope that the other person is a stand
26:51
Speaker 3: up man and comes forward because he knows that you're
26:54
Speaker 3: sitting there. But you know, some niggas would just be
26:58
Speaker 3: like nah, like you know what I mean, Like I'm
26:59
Speaker 3: just gonna ride this out out. And it's like it
27:01
Speaker 3: completely altered his entire life and even till this day,
27:05
Speaker 3: like I've never had a conversation with Meil about it.
27:07
Speaker 3: Like I sent him the record and he just called
27:09
Speaker 3: me and was like, thank you for writing about it,
27:11
Speaker 3: But we've never talked about it. Like it's still something
27:13
Speaker 3: that I don't think that he's probably ever like full
27:17
Speaker 3: blown got off his chests, you know what I mean,
27:18
Speaker 3: unpacked and.
27:19
Speaker 2: What And like you said, in our community, that's a
27:21
Speaker 2: big thing because everybody wants to be a real nigga.
27:23
Speaker 2: But like you said, there is no award or reward
27:26
Speaker 2: for being a real nigga at all at all.
27:27
Speaker 3: You don't get nothing for that, you know what I mean.
27:29
Speaker 3: You don't get nothing for being That's why I used
27:31
Speaker 3: to love the Dave Chappelle skits when he had the
27:34
Speaker 3: real nigga keeping it real going wrong and it's like
27:36
Speaker 3: the nigga wild out and he lose his job, any
27:38
Speaker 3: homeless and shit like that. Like Dave was ahead of
27:41
Speaker 3: his time. But yeah, like you said, it's no reward
27:43
Speaker 3: for that.
27:44
Speaker 1: Then honestly, if he was.
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Speaker 6: To really open up and tell you how he really feels,
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Speaker 6: or you think like you be able to handle it,
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Speaker 6: I would.
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Speaker 3: But I do understand what you're saying. But I think
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Speaker 3: it's less about that. I think it's more about like
27:55
Speaker 3: black men just aren't taught that, Like like we're talking
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Speaker 3: from a young age, like life ain't fair, get over it,
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Speaker 3: don't complain, don't suck it out. Year we're taught that
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Speaker 3: from a younger So I think it's less about the
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Speaker 3: person receiving it. I think it's more about the fear
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Speaker 3: of Like I look weak if I talk about it,
28:09
Speaker 3: like I look like less of a man. I look
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Speaker 3: like I'm complaining. Like I say this all the time
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Speaker 3: my homegirls. I'm like girls not as the healthiest shit
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Speaker 3: in the world. Y'all just gather up, drink wine, and
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Speaker 3: just complain, which is like getting things off your chest.
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Speaker 3: You're unpacking, you're unloading, and then you'll have fun and
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Speaker 3: then you leave there feeling lighter than Like guys don't
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Speaker 3: have that. We get together, like like I had a
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Speaker 3: homie that I went to watch a game with. We
28:29
Speaker 3: were in the bar for like three hours watching the game,
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Speaker 3: and we talked about sports for three hours. I leave
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Speaker 3: the bar, I figure out that like his girl about
28:38
Speaker 3: to demn there put about to demnire lose his family,
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Speaker 3: we ain't talk about that for the whole three hours.
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Speaker 3: We just talking about Lebron and how Lebron is the
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Speaker 3: greatest person in the NBA. And it's like, we don't
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Speaker 3: unpack those things because we're taught that you can't talk
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Speaker 3: to another man about it if you talk to your
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Speaker 3: girl about it, you look weak. So it's like, where
28:54
Speaker 3: do you go with and you just kind of turn
28:55
Speaker 3: the different vices, And I've been there.
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Speaker 2: Charlama doesn't feel like way by the way he thinks
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Speaker 2: of Steph Curry. You said, Lebron, what's your thoughts?
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Speaker 1: What do you mean?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that he's the best player in the NBA. I
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Speaker 3: actually I actually agree with that. I think I think Steph.
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Speaker 3: I think that I got I think Steph is top
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Speaker 3: five of all time. I think, yeah, okay, yeah, I
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Speaker 3: think him at three. Yeah, I got him at four.
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Speaker 1: I got Jordan, Kobe, Steph, Bron and Magic.
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Speaker 3: You got him after I mean before Bron.
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Speaker 1: Yes, you're crazy, but I do.
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Speaker 3: Have him top. I think he's the best player in
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Speaker 3: the NBA right now, but I think that he's top five.
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Speaker 3: And niggas don't want to hear that I got Kobe.
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Speaker 3: I got Kobe at one, Jordan A two, Bron at three,
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Speaker 3: and then uh, Steph at four, and I got Shock
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Speaker 3: at five. But clearly I'm biased because that's a lot
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Speaker 3: of leg niggers.
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Speaker 5: In history is going to show that Lebron and Steph
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Speaker 5: met up in NBA finals.
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Speaker 1: Yep, what four times?
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Speaker 3: Was it? Four?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Was it four four times? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Four times? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: And Steph one. He's three to one in the NBA finals.
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Speaker 3: That matters, It does matter. But at the same time,
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Speaker 3: he had KD, like.
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Speaker 1: So what he didn't always have KD.
29:55
Speaker 3: The championship thing is weird though. It's not all about championships.
29:58
Speaker 3: It's about a lot of other stuff too. It's about
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Speaker 3: to act like the accolades. I feel like Lebron is
30:02
Speaker 3: the most accomplished probably not not athletes, that's Tom Brady,
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Speaker 3: but he's the most accomplished basketball player of all time.
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Speaker 3: I feel like that does matter, all of the accolades,
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Speaker 3: all of the accomplishments that he's done, the scoring like
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Speaker 3: where he is that, the scoringless rebounds.
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Speaker 1: Like that's when I think accomplishment.
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Speaker 3: I mean even the All NBA teams, All Stars m
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Speaker 3: v P. Like, he's like accomplished, Like he's the most
30:27
Speaker 3: how many final.
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Speaker 1: Dan got six finals? MVPs.
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Speaker 3: Bro That's fine, but he don't have he don't. He
30:31
Speaker 3: don't have as many accomplishments as like that. That has
30:34
Speaker 3: to do with a team. I'm talking about all of
30:36
Speaker 3: your accomplishments. That has to do with you as an individual.
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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's statute is crazy.
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Speaker 3: It is, but it's not better than Bron's.
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Speaker 1: That's I totally disagree with you.
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Speaker 3: You think it's you think Michael Jordan's stats are better
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Speaker 3: than Lebron.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that Stafford accolade. When you put all the accolade.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, let's let's get back to the I don't
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Speaker 3: want to put you out.
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Speaker 1: I said, let's go back to something. You're talking about therapy.
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Speaker 5: That's why I'm so big on therapy, right, because people
31:05
Speaker 5: that go to therapy have no problem having those conversations.
31:08
Speaker 5: Like when you talk about these women having girl nights out,
31:11
Speaker 5: it's because a lot of them already go to therapy.
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Speaker 5: They're already seeking healing, so it's easy for them to
31:15
Speaker 5: have these conversations amongst each other.
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Speaker 1: I noticed with my guys that.
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Speaker 5: People around me that are already in therapy and seeking
31:23
Speaker 5: some healing, we have no problem having those conversations.
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Speaker 3: For sure, I agree, But I also think with women,
31:27
Speaker 3: they're just naturally because I don't think a lot I
31:30
Speaker 3: think women are doing that before they even get into therapy.
31:32
Speaker 3: I think women are naturally just better at talking about
31:36
Speaker 3: their feelings, and it's because of how we're brought up
31:39
Speaker 3: like women are brought up to you know you you
31:42
Speaker 3: do caddle women a little bit more so you ask
31:44
Speaker 3: them to tell you, like how do you feel like
31:46
Speaker 3: are you okay? How does that make you feel? Whereas
31:48
Speaker 3: I remember as a kid, like like going through stuff
31:52
Speaker 3: and my dad being like, like, suck it up, stop crying, like,
31:55
Speaker 3: and that's not a knock at him. He just doing
31:57
Speaker 3: what he was taught, you know what I mean. But
31:58
Speaker 3: I vividly remember like being balled up with rage and
32:02
Speaker 3: not knowing how to express it. And my dad's thing
32:04
Speaker 3: was like, nigga, stopped crying, like.
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Speaker 4: But also you also feel like you don't want to
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Speaker 4: look weak, yeah, And that was his thing.
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Speaker 3: He was like, you're gonna look weak if you crying, like, Nigga,
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Speaker 3: stop crying, like, suck it up. Like, I'm like, but
32:13
Speaker 3: that ain't like life ain't fair, Like get over you
32:14
Speaker 3: know how many things ain't fair for me? Like that's
32:16
Speaker 3: how I was brought up.
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Speaker 4: You gonna call me a beise bitch exactly.
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Speaker 1: Back in the day, though you should be crying bullshit
32:30
Speaker 1: some stuff. Cry over, you know.
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, Yeah, we got to be able to
32:34
Speaker 3: express ourselves a little bit better.
32:36
Speaker 5: Oh.
32:38
Speaker 6: I was reading some comments online Twitter, YouTube, and they're
32:41
Speaker 6: saying that your album is one of their favorite albums
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Speaker 6: of the year, right next to Mike Killer Mike.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, which is that? Which is a crazy compliment
32:48
Speaker 3: because I love Killing Mike's album. But I felt that way,
32:52
Speaker 3: and I felt that way before it was dropped. It
32:54
Speaker 3: not because it's my album, but I also felt that
32:56
Speaker 3: way because it's been a light year for rat Like
32:57
Speaker 3: it just hasn't been that great. I do take the
33:00
Speaker 3: second half of the year is about to be stacked.
33:01
Speaker 3: I know Drake stopping on Friday, but I felt like, like,
33:05
Speaker 3: when I'm listening to all the albums and they're coming out,
33:07
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh no, I'm gonna have like probably like
33:10
Speaker 3: one of the better albums in rap this year, you
33:12
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And but for people to put
33:14
Speaker 3: it next to Killer MIC's like, that's a huge compliment
33:17
Speaker 3: because that was my favorite album this year. Like when
33:18
Speaker 3: that dropped, I was like, nah, like this is the goal.
33:22
Speaker 3: That's the year. I was like, that was the one.
33:23
Speaker 3: So yeah, now that's been like the craziest compliment for sure.
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Speaker 1: For sure. I love that.
33:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all, want to play a.
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Speaker 5: Record, Well, I actually just want to say this. Michael
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Speaker 5: Jordan has six champions Michael Jordan has six championships, six finals, MVPs,
33:37
Speaker 5: like I told you, five regular season MVPs, one Defensive
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Speaker 5: Player of the Year, ten scoring titles, one Rookie of
33:42
Speaker 5: the Year, one Hall of Fame. Lebron has four championships,
33:45
Speaker 5: four m VPS, four regular season MVPs, one scoring title,
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Speaker 5: one Rookie of the Year.
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Speaker 3: Mj played against bumps, against forgive, we played against play
33:56
Speaker 3: against bumps. You can't name five high level wings that
33:59
Speaker 3: he played against. The people talk about Regie Miller, REGGI
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Speaker 3: Miller is a bum compared to Clay Thompson. Like Clay
34:03
Speaker 3: Thompson better than Reggie Miller. It's just a different It's
34:05
Speaker 3: a different level of Reggie Miller with a we.
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Speaker 4: Need to wash him off with so young.
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Speaker 3: It's not I'm doing this, bro It wasn't back then.
34:13
Speaker 3: It was back then, it was big. It wasn't wings
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Speaker 3: now it's wings like Brover played against, just better. They
34:18
Speaker 3: played against better talent.
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Speaker 1: That small thing.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, we can argue about basketball later.
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Speaker 2: I reason to leave man, reason what record you want
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Speaker 2: to play gamesh hold on.
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Speaker 1: Should I pressed in on this? Totally?
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Speaker 3: You're gonna You're gonna start someth niggas is right now. Man,
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Speaker 3: he's gonna think that I said some crazy ship.
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Speaker 1: What if that reason?
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Speaker 4: Brother, We're gonna play game ship right now.
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Speaker 3: Let's play games Breakfast Club's reason