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Speaker 2: My name is Chuck Powell, Ashley Ryan here as well.
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Speaker 2: Four hours of sports talk radio.
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Speaker 2: And let me tell you something, if you ever thought
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Speaker 2: that nobody is because there are times I've been in
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Speaker 2: this industry since I was nineteen years old. So this
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Speaker 2: is gonna be my thirty sixth year in radio this year.
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Speaker 2: So I've been at it for quite a while. And
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Speaker 2: there are times. There have been times throughout your career,
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Speaker 2: even now, even now on this big stick called KJAR,
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Speaker 2: this legendary radio station in this major metropolitan city, there
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Speaker 2: are times I'm like, is anybody listening?
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Speaker 7: I get you?
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Speaker 3: Is there one person listening right now?
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Speaker 8: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I mean, am I just talking up here? Am I
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Speaker 3: just flapping my gums? Well you are, that's true.
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Speaker 7: But there are people listening.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So there are times though where you go through that.
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Speaker 2: But Ashley, if you ever did have that cross your mind,
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Speaker 2: rest assured there's at least one person listening.
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, how do we know? What's your proof?
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Speaker 3: The proof is that the water is ice cold today?
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Speaker 7: Oh my god.
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Speaker 9: I wasn't expecting me to win in this building to
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Speaker 9: be listening that baffling.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how many are listening. Maybe it's two
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Speaker 2: maybe it's two million. I don't know, but I guarantee
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Speaker 2: you this. The person in charge of keeping the water
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Speaker 2: cold is listening.
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Speaker 8: Thank you.
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Speaker 7: Person in charge of keeping the water cold, that's Lamb.
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Speaker 3: Uh. I have a feeling it's uh.
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Speaker 9: Martin Mark who maybe then maybe talk to Lamb, was like, hey,
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Speaker 9: we gotta get that water cold.
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Speaker 2: This is an embarrassment, and if it is, Mark, I
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Speaker 2: just want you to know this is part of the
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Speaker 2: act here.
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Speaker 3: You know, you're talking.
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Speaker 2: You talk about your bosses, and you talk about your workplace,
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Speaker 2: and you make fun of it, because what are we
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Speaker 2: gonna do come on here and just talk about how
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Speaker 2: wonderful all things are.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's the fun in that exactly. So you
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Speaker 3: come on and you lay it on thick about how
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Speaker 3: the water is like bath water, and then the next
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Speaker 3: day you get it fixed. I mean, it is ice cold.
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Speaker 2: I can feel it through the cup on my hand,
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Speaker 2: which I've never felt before.
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Speaker 3: So whatever they did, like if the cold water is.
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Speaker 2: One to ten, they put it at eleven because it
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Speaker 2: is freezing.
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Speaker 9: The funny thing is I was leaving my house this
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Speaker 9: morning and then I grabbed my water bottle and I thought, oh,
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Speaker 9: it's not that full.
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Speaker 7: I should probably fill it up here.
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Speaker 9: And then I thought, you know what, I'm just gonna
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Speaker 9: have to take a risk with the warm water.
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Speaker 7: I'll put ice in it. And I thought about the
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Speaker 7: warm water and how I.
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Speaker 9: Was just gonna have to deal with it if I
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Speaker 9: finished my water out of my water bottle this morning.
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Speaker 2: Well, never fear, because it's cold as we are number
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Speaker 2: one in the market with people's twenty five to seventy
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Speaker 2: five who are in charge of the temperature of our water.
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Speaker 7: And that's the most import group if you ask.
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Speaker 3: Me, we are one out of one. They listen every
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Speaker 3: morning from six to six twenty in the morning.
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Speaker 2: So Mark, alright, well, welcome into the radio show.
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Speaker 3: We got a lot planned for you today.
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Speaker 2: Three big blockbuster guests today to talk about several different
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Speaker 2: topics on the program, plus a few bits that we
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Speaker 2: normally do on Wednesday, and so much more. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it is another packed show. That's one thing I take
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Speaker 2: pride in. I packed the show full of so much
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Speaker 2: content that you can't stand it. That's right, all right,
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Speaker 2: And yet we have to start.
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Speaker 3: We don't have any choice but to start with that
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Speaker 3: wacky ass game in Maryland last night.
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Speaker 7: What on earth? Oh jeez, we thought the one before
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Speaker 7: it was crazy, right.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's two crazy games that the Mariners. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that the Mariners have won both of them. They won
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Speaker 2: it last night by the final score, six to five,
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Speaker 2: final score and ten innings. And there's so many things
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Speaker 2: to discuss, so many little nuggets to break down, which
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Speaker 2: hopefully over the course of four hours, will get to
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Speaker 2: each one of them, isolating them as we go. But
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Speaker 2: I would just say, as in terms of getting the
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Speaker 2: conversation started, I mean, what we've seen the last two
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Speaker 2: nights are not only crazy wins on the baseball field,
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Speaker 2: the beautiful crazy game that is baseball played at its
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Speaker 2: highest level, even though sometimes the level's not so high.
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Speaker 3: And so.
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Speaker 2: It's already I mean, this sport is rifer kind of
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Speaker 2: games like this every once in a.
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Speaker 3: While that you can break down.
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Speaker 2: But certainly the headline of the last two nights has
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Speaker 2: been how the new rules of the sport have impacted
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Speaker 2: this game at this level.
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Speaker 3: And I don't know, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I mean somewhere I think, I think God's a baseball
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Speaker 2: fan and he could probably do the aggregate on who
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Speaker 2: really deserve to win the last two games. And yet
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Speaker 2: because of the new rules of baseball, and we you know,
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Speaker 2: we had some bad luck last couple of nights too,
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Speaker 2: we had some bad luck last night too, But we
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Speaker 2: also had some good luck last night as well, and
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Speaker 2: kind of were given the benefit of the doubt by
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Speaker 2: a few things as well that helped us pull out
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Speaker 2: eke out.
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Speaker 3: Another win in Baltimore last evening.
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Speaker 2: But it's been all about, really just the new rules
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Speaker 2: that have been implemented into the sport, and a lot
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Speaker 2: of people fought those new rules. A lot of people
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Speaker 2: on this show fought those new rules. I don't want
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Speaker 2: to mention any names, but it rhymes with Lucky Racomson.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people fought those new rules, and yet
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Speaker 2: we saw we've seen them on full display like never
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Speaker 2: before and how they can impact the outcome of a
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Speaker 2: baseball game. These were not little minor things that baseball adjusted.
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Speaker 2: Between the challenge heard round the world the night before
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Speaker 2: from Johnny Pieda, which I think won us the game. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: two nights ago to last night, almost every single rule
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Speaker 2: in some way was on full display to either be
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Speaker 2: taken advantage of or to catch it in the shorts
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Speaker 2: because of it. And we won those two games because
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Speaker 2: the new rules worked to our advantage more often than
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Speaker 2: they did not.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, which is funny because obviously, when you're just watching
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Speaker 9: a baseball game, usually you're just planning on watching the game,
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Speaker 9: But it has become such an integral part of the
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Speaker 9: game with the challenge system, with all of the different
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Speaker 9: things that we get to watch and to see it
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Speaker 9: all kind of happening two games back to back. It's
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Speaker 9: just been interesting that we're coming in and we're not
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Speaker 9: talking about on Monday the nailor Grand Slam, Right, it's
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Speaker 9: about the challenge. Yeah, and then we're not talking about
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Speaker 9: a Rose Arena with a two run home run. I
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Speaker 9: mean we will, but that's not the story.
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Speaker 2: No, No, the star are all the close plays that
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Speaker 2: we use technology to try to determine what actually happened.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Now I will say this.
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Speaker 2: I mean because Baltimore, certainly, if you're an Orioles fan,
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Speaker 2: you're walking away thinking.
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Speaker 3: You got screwed over.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably because there were two plays at home which
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Speaker 2: they were probably safe on both of them, the O'Neill
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Speaker 2: play and then the Patrick Wisdom played down the third
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Speaker 2: base line where they probably were safe. I mean, it
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Speaker 2: looked like they were safe. But as Aaron and Ryan
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Speaker 2: Roland Smith did a great job of pointing out, the
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Speaker 2: letter of the law is that you can't overturn it
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Speaker 2: unless there is full proof, one hundred percent proof.
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Speaker 7: And so it was the same with that Bliss play
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Speaker 7: at second.
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Speaker 9: I mean, because they called him I think he was
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Speaker 9: out though, Yeah, but it was that close.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but three close.
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Speaker 2: Play certainly, But the two at home plate where I
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Speaker 2: think they were both safe. I mean, if you're asking me,
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Speaker 2: do you I think they were safer out, I'm gonna say, oh,
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Speaker 2: I think they were safe. But when you slow it
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Speaker 2: down frame by frame, they're they called it out on
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Speaker 2: the field.
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Speaker 3: And there just was.
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Speaker 2: This much There just wasn't enough evidence to say and
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Speaker 2: and and Aaron nailed it. Like the dirt that seemed
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Speaker 2: to be showing between Blaze, Alexander's glove, batting glove and
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Speaker 2: home plate was like the difference in whether or not
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Speaker 2: that game kept going or we lost that actually we
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Speaker 2: lost that game or not. And so that sort of thing,
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy. I mean, I guess you would
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Speaker 2: say if you're if an Oriol fan was complaining to
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Speaker 2: you in the bar, well we called they called them
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Speaker 2: out on the field. And so if we didn't have
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Speaker 2: the new technology then they would have never even challenged it. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: they would, you know, an old school So we would
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Speaker 2: have gotten all of those calls anyway. But the fact
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Speaker 2: that we had to go through the experience of oh
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Speaker 2: my gosh, he does look safe, and yet is there enough?
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Speaker 2: Is there one hundred percent proof that his hand is
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Speaker 2: touching the plate before Garver's glove touches the shoulder or
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Speaker 2: the arm, or whatever the case may be. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that's what a baseball game came down to on numerous
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Speaker 2: occasions last night.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and it is.
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Speaker 9: I kept thinking, oh, thank goodness they called him out
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Speaker 9: because it was that close. When you're looking at those
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Speaker 9: challenges and that evidence, it's like, who if they would
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Speaker 9: have called them safe, absolute that they would have absolutely
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Speaker 9: both been kept safe.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 9: And so you don't love that a game comes down
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Speaker 9: to things well but well, as a Mariags fan, I
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Speaker 9: loved it, but I'm.
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Speaker 7: Saying, like, as a fan, yeah, you.
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Speaker 9: Don't want it always to come down to, oh, let's
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Speaker 9: go challenge it, let's go wait now what's the review
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Speaker 9: versus like you just want to celebrate in the moment
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Speaker 9: that call and that's it and we move on.
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Speaker 7: But it does add a lot of extra suspense.
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Speaker 3: Oh man crazy. And then Garver just wild with the
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Speaker 3: challenges last night.
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Speaker 7: It was like a man on a mission.
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Speaker 3: Well, when you've got to in your pocket in the
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Speaker 3: ninth inning, you get.
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Speaker 2: To play a little loose with it, and he just
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Speaker 2: kept he just kept ticking him off one after another,
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Speaker 2: and at one point, I mean it was about as
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Speaker 2: much swag as Mitch Garver I think can show. He
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Speaker 2: just ran off the field when his the strike was
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Speaker 2: challenged by Beisaio, and it was a terrible challenge by Bisio.
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Speaker 3: Garbage just runs off the field and just sitting in
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Speaker 3: the dugout. I mean it was a walk off challenge.
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Speaker 3: When have we ever seen a.
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Speaker 7: Walk off before?
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Speaker 9: Man on Dan Wilson's face too, is he's like just laughing, laughing.
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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, I was like, okay, I like that.
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Speaker 2: Well, he was laughing at the Tavares play, which is
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Speaker 2: another thing that I've not seen before, where that was
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Speaker 2: Leodi Tavares had a challenge. I think it was a
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Speaker 2: Garver challenge, and so Tavares in his head was working
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Speaker 2: off the fact that he thought that was a ball
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Speaker 2: and he lost track of the count and starts taking
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Speaker 2: off all of his equipment. And they wear a lot
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Speaker 2: of equipment, which I guarantee a lot of old school
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Speaker 2: people were laughing at last night that were watching the
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Speaker 2: baseball game.
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Speaker 3: That's what you get for wearing so much damn equipment
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Speaker 3: up to the up to the plate.
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Speaker 2: So he's taking off all of his equipment, he steps
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Speaker 2: across the plate because he forgot the count. Meanwhile, there's
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Speaker 2: a fifteen second clock running yep, the entire time, and
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Speaker 2: Tavares didn't have time to get his stuff adjusted and
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Speaker 2: gets called out on a strikeout.
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Speaker 3: It was unbelievable.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and then Dan's just cracking up and then trying
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Speaker 9: to hide it, like because he's because who's ever.
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Speaker 7: Seen that before?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 7: I haven't.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, I have not seen that before.
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Speaker 2: And then you heard some cussing over the television and
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a fan, could have
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Speaker 2: been a fan, Yeah, but it might have been the dugout.
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Speaker 2: But they were just irate. Whoever it was. There were
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Speaker 2: several of them and they were irate over that. But
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Speaker 2: it's like, well, what else do you want them to do?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the you got it one. You gotta know
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Speaker 7: the count.
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Speaker 2: He didn't know the count, yes, and got that there's
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Speaker 2: a fifteen second clock, And do we take time? Do
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Speaker 2: we give him a time out so that he can
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Speaker 2: put all of his equipment back on and step back
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Speaker 2: into the box. I mean, otherwise Dan's gonna argue. I
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Speaker 2: would hope maybe the way he was laughing. Dan would
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Speaker 2: have never thought to even challenge that. I don't know,
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Speaker 2: but I mean, it was just it's just been on
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Speaker 2: full display between the parade of challenge two nights ago
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Speaker 2: to the numerous review challenges that were just within an eyelash,
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Speaker 2: and three of them, all three of those went our.
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Speaker 3: Way last week.
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Speaker 2: The other way, the Tavares situation, Garver challenging all night
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Speaker 2: long to an incredible rate of success, and the Orioles
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Speaker 2: not having success with the challenge last night. I mean technology,
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Speaker 2: the new rules of Major League Baseball full display the
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Speaker 2: last couple of days, and we got an indication those
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Speaker 2: like I said, those were not little minor adjustments to
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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. You saw the last couple of days
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Speaker 2: how much the new rules, the new technology that governs
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Speaker 2: the sport can affect the outcome of the game. And
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Speaker 2: even though I guarantee you Oriole fans are waking up
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Speaker 2: this morning feeling robbed by the technology, we used the technology,
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Speaker 2: we just happened to get more calls than you did.
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Speaker 2: The luck swung our way a little bit more than
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Speaker 2: it swung your way last night. And believe you've got
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Speaker 2: a lot of good luck last night too, you know,
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Speaker 2: a couple dribblers off the mound that ended up not
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Speaker 2: going foul. Stuff like that. Yeah, you had, you had
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Speaker 2: a lot of luck yourself last night. But in terms
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Speaker 2: of the technology, we just won the technology war last night,
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Speaker 2: and that's why we won the baseball game.
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Speaker 9: We need, that's what we need to simply Seattle to
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Speaker 9: make new shirts. We won the technology war.
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Speaker 2: And then the day baseball and then the date of
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Speaker 2: the Orioles victory six to Orioles June ninth, six. Uh
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Speaker 2: so just crazy, I mean, just a wild game. Not
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Speaker 2: to even mention Ryan bliss Is heads up play and
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Speaker 2: it's two defensive gems that saved the game. And yet
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Speaker 2: on both of those plays, Fine pointed out, like, why
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Speaker 2: didn't Bliss just throw it first? That would have been
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Speaker 2: an easier play. I didn't even think about it. I
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Speaker 2: mean the race to try to beat a very fast
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Speaker 2: gunner Henderson a second and then narrowly getting there. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I thought that was such a great play. I didn'tn
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Speaker 2: it didn't even cross my mind. Well, you probably could
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Speaker 2: have thrown it first.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was watching it and the multiple times and
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Speaker 7: never thought that.
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Speaker 1: Ever.
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Speaker 7: I was like, oh, thank goodness, he did.
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Speaker 2: That, and then Bliss makes the game saving catch down
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Speaker 2: the right field line, and that was phenomenal. And then
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Speaker 2: I stepps by, like, what was Naylor doing on that play?
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Speaker 2: How are you not camped under that? That thing was
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Speaker 2: up there forever? How did Bliss have to save the day?
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Speaker 2: Put a cape on and save the day. That was
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Speaker 2: like a routine play for a first baseman. What were
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Speaker 2: you doing on that?
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Speaker 3: Way?
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Speaker 7: You wanted Bliss to be allowed to be superman?
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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I mean, just narrowly both of
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Speaker 2: those plays, just narrowly grabbing that before it came down
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Speaker 2: and hit the grass, and then narrow getting there before
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Speaker 2: Henderson could slide into the bag.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it was just one of those nights, one
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Speaker 3: of those crazy, crazy ass nights, and he kind of overshadowed,
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Speaker 3: You're right, the Erose Arena home run, the fact that
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Speaker 3: Logan Gilbert had to gut it up like a soldier
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Speaker 3: from yesteryear and throw ten extra pitches.
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Speaker 7: He went over one hundred, folks, he went over one hundred.
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Speaker 3: But he got that.
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Speaker 2: They gave him the green light to go the sixth inning,
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Speaker 2: and it turns out he didn't die on the mound.
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Speaker 9: I was prepared that if he threw ninety six pitches
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Speaker 9: spontaneous combustion.
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Speaker 3: So that was that was incredible.
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Speaker 2: And then you know what, And I do want to
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Speaker 2: mention this, and I'll mention it again a little bit later,
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Speaker 2: But considering what he was up against, I had a
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Speaker 2: lot more Dan Wilson screwing up the bullpen tweets thrown
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Speaker 2: at me last night. I don't think he did last night.
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Speaker 2: I mean, under the circumstances, what else was he supposed
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Speaker 2: to do?
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Speaker 7: We didn't Who did we have?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he got the sixth inning out of
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Speaker 2: Logan Gilbert. That took him out of the organization's comfort
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Speaker 2: zone to begin with. And then I thought, yesterday when
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Speaker 2: I mapped it out, I didn't remember that Bizardo had
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Speaker 2: gone back to back Knights. I thought we had him
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Speaker 2: for last night, but he wasn't available. Munjos wasn't available.
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Speaker 2: They're obviously not going to pitch Brash on back to
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Speaker 2: back Knights. That's just a rule within the organization right now.
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Speaker 2: And so you were down numerous dudes, and even Ferreer
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Speaker 2: obviously wasn't at his best last night.
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Speaker 7: But that's what you'd put there.
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Speaker 3: So he's tired.
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Speaker 2: So I mean, that's that's how it needed, that's how
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Speaker 2: it had to be done. I mean everything he did
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Speaker 2: I agreed with.
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Speaker 7: I liked that he put Hoppy in after Gilbert.
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Speaker 3: Pushed Gilbert in for the sixth.
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Speaker 2: Hopy comes in for the seventh, and then Spire for
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Speaker 2: the eighth against the potential Henderson Kowser grouping, and then
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Speaker 2: you close it out with Ferrer, who didn't get the
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Speaker 2: job done. And if it goes extra then the Cooper
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Speaker 2: Criswell PHANTOMI l to bring up Nick de Villa last night,
18:06
Speaker 2: and Devilla gets the job done somehow, some way for
18:09
Speaker 2: the save. I don't know how he does it any differently.
18:12
Speaker 2: So no, I'm not cracking on Dan for what he
18:14
Speaker 2: did last night, because that's exactly how I would have
18:17
Speaker 2: played it under the circumstances. Now, if you want to argue, well,
18:22
Speaker 2: why are we so depleted at this stage of the
18:26
Speaker 2: season that when our relief pitchers have thrown fewer innings
18:31
Speaker 2: than any other team in the American League, Now that's
18:34
Speaker 2: an argument we could talk about now that see yesterday
18:38
Speaker 2: seven o five segments. See the previous day seven oh
18:42
Speaker 2: five segment that we did. I mean, I think a
18:45
Speaker 2: lot of this. We barely have enough to get through
18:48
Speaker 2: a game. Relief pitching stuff has a lot to do
18:52
Speaker 2: with We have our two best pitchers in our bullpen
18:56
Speaker 2: on paper, mun Yos and Brash don't pitch enough. I
19:00
Speaker 2: mean when Munos goes six days without pitching recently, I mean,
19:05
Speaker 2: that's somebody else has to pitch. And so if you're
19:10
Speaker 2: not using those two guys, well, yes, you're going to spread.
19:14
Speaker 3: Thin everyone else.
19:16
Speaker 2: And then when those guys actually do get used and
19:19
Speaker 2: you are not allowed to use them the next day, well,
19:22
Speaker 2: you have so many rules set up, so many walls
19:25
Speaker 2: that you've put up so many obstacles that it's hard
19:28
Speaker 2: to get through a game. No, we should not be
19:30
Speaker 2: in such a dire situation with our bullpen, especially considering
19:34
Speaker 2: how good our starting pitching has been as of late.
19:37
Speaker 2: We don't have starting pitchers that go out there and
19:39
Speaker 2: go an inning in two thirds and have to be
19:41
Speaker 2: taken out of the game. I mean, I can't even
19:43
Speaker 2: imagine what the organization would do in that case.
19:46
Speaker 3: Come, yeah, they might just a collapse, they might just
19:48
Speaker 3: quit the game. Yeah, why don't even want to play?
19:50
Speaker 3: We're out of here, We're flying in DC.
19:53
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yes, if you want to say,
19:55
Speaker 2: Dans and the organizations past attempts who protect Brash and Munos,
20:01
Speaker 2: and they pitched so infrequently and that's led to thinning
20:04
Speaker 2: out the pen, and it puts you in a situation
20:06
Speaker 2: like you were. Okay, there's an argument that I can
20:08
Speaker 2: listen to. But under the circumstances last night, Dan did
20:12
Speaker 2: what he had to do and that's exactly how I
20:15
Speaker 2: would have.
20:15
Speaker 3: Played it, and lo and behold we come away with
20:17
Speaker 3: a victory.
20:18
Speaker 2: We'll talk more about that later, but right now, let's
20:20
Speaker 2: find out what's on tap for the show?
20:24
Speaker 3: What's on TEP?
20:26
Speaker 1: What's ontep?
20:27
Speaker 3: All right?
20:27
Speaker 2: Six to five win for the Mariners over the O's
20:29
Speaker 2: and ten innings last night, thirty six and thirty two
20:32
Speaker 2: on the season.
20:33
Speaker 3: This is their high water mark. They've matched it.
20:36
Speaker 2: They've not been five games over five hundred at any
20:38
Speaker 2: point this year, but they could pull that off tonight.
20:42
Speaker 2: They're back in Maryland for Game three of a four
20:44
Speaker 2: game series and it will be another three thirty five
20:47
Speaker 2: start with George Kirby going for US and Brandon Young,
20:50
Speaker 2: a right hander pitching for the Orioles, and he's pitched
20:53
Speaker 2: pretty well this year. Mariner's notes. Colt Emerson didn't play
20:56
Speaker 2: again last night, so that's two straight games for the rookie.
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Speaker 3: Whatever he did.
21:00
Speaker 2: To his back, it was it made the organization nervous
21:04
Speaker 2: enough that they gave him some rest, but not so
21:06
Speaker 2: nervous that he's been put on the IL, So I
21:08
Speaker 2: think he's going to be okay now. Cooper Criswell was
21:11
Speaker 2: put on the IL, and I almost guarantee you it
21:14
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with injury. That was we need
21:17
Speaker 2: a pitcher for tonight because we're short in the bullpen,
21:20
Speaker 2: and thank goodness they did, and Criswell does not have
21:23
Speaker 2: any options and we certainly don't want to lose him,
21:25
Speaker 2: so this is what we're gonna do. And I'm sure
21:28
Speaker 2: they told Criswell to limp out of the office and
21:31
Speaker 2: then cal Raleigh yesterday and Tacoma Homers twice, which I
21:36
Speaker 2: don't know.
21:36
Speaker 3: I think the.
21:36
Speaker 2: Plan was him to stay in Tacoma all week long.
21:39
Speaker 2: But how many cal Rally homers do we want to
21:42
Speaker 2: see hit in Tacoma before we activate him. That's something
21:45
Speaker 2: we'll talk about later in the show as well. Seahawks
21:48
Speaker 2: mandatory mini camps started yesterday. We'll get a full report
21:51
Speaker 2: from Greg Bell at seven oh five. Our Seahawks one
21:53
Speaker 2: series continues today at eight o'clock with our own Dick Fane.
21:57
Speaker 2: The sordid Brandon Soresby affair continues. I'm gonna wrestle that
22:01
Speaker 2: it reckless at breakfast at seven forty five today.
22:04
Speaker 3: World Cup week is here.
22:06
Speaker 2: Yes, we might be just two weeks away from the
22:08
Speaker 2: World Cup, but we are only one sleep away from
22:11
Speaker 2: the World Cup, and we are only three hours away
22:13
Speaker 2: from hearing from Brad Evans, who will join us today
22:15
Speaker 2: at nine. Game four the NBA Finals tonight at five thirty.
22:19
Speaker 2: The Spurs can even things up with the Knicks at
22:22
Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden with a victory. Stanley Cup Final continues
22:26
Speaker 2: to be thrilling. Carolina wins five to three, but that
22:29
Speaker 2: was really a one goal.
22:30
Speaker 3: Game last night.
22:32
Speaker 2: That was just every single game has just been on
22:34
Speaker 2: the edge of your seat every moment of every game.
22:36
Speaker 2: Carolina wins over Las Vegas five to three, so that
22:39
Speaker 2: series is even at two games a.
22:41
Speaker 3: Piece as well.
22:42
Speaker 2: We'll talk about all of it, but coming up next
22:44
Speaker 2: Mariners Morning After on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
22:56
Speaker 3: Ere A Cup crowd ball up to the middle, let's
22:59
Speaker 3: have it foot Ricey out. Second day, the.
23:05
Speaker 2: Spread was on and Bliss wins to send this to
23:09
Speaker 2: the tenth So much more Burgundy.
23:12
Speaker 3: When you just hear the audio, you're not watching it,
23:14
Speaker 3: I know.
23:15
Speaker 7: That's why I was like, Oh, that was the most
23:16
Speaker 7: Burgundy we had to play it.
23:17
Speaker 3: It was full, full frontal Burgundy right there.
23:20
Speaker 7: There was a lot of excitement there.
23:22
Speaker 3: Oh, there were a lot of crazy calls last night.
23:24
Speaker 2: I think they both handled it really well because that
23:27
Speaker 2: was trying to put your finger on that game. There
23:29
Speaker 2: were plays that we've just never seen before.
23:31
Speaker 8: I mean, the.
23:31
Speaker 2: Marriage of wacky baseball with new technology and new rules
23:37
Speaker 2: that have been introduced into the game in the last
23:39
Speaker 2: one to five years. It was never on grander display
23:44
Speaker 2: than it's been the last two nights in Baltimore, Maryland,
23:46
Speaker 2: and last night took the cake over the previous night.
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Speaker 7: Fully agree, Yeah, it was awesome.
23:51
Speaker 3: It was fun.
23:52
Speaker 7: You wait to see what happens today.
23:53
Speaker 2: It was awesome because we come away with two wins
23:55
Speaker 2: out of that mess. Angry if you're Baltimore, Yeah, I'm
23:58
Speaker 2: sure the Orioles, I'm sure they're manager through a few things.
24:02
Speaker 2: After the game was over last night, But Mariners do
24:04
Speaker 2: win in ten innings six to five. That was Aaron
24:07
Speaker 2: with Ryan in the background doing stuff on the call
24:10
Speaker 2: last night on Mariner's TV. Mitch Garver homer Randia Rose
24:15
Speaker 2: Arena ended up with the game winning homer. But really
24:18
Speaker 2: it was about narrow plays at bases home and second
24:21
Speaker 2: base throughout the latter innings, the Mariners trying to scrape
24:26
Speaker 2: together outs with a beleaguered bullpen that was fatigued and
24:31
Speaker 2: only had four guys available, and even they were not
24:34
Speaker 2: at one hundred percent, and somehow they patchworked together a victory.
24:39
Speaker 2: Ryan Bliss played a big role in that, which we
24:42
Speaker 2: will give Greg Bell the chance to talk about his
24:44
Speaker 2: favorite baseball player in the world.
24:47
Speaker 4: Club.
24:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, he put together a fan club called Bliss Techs.
24:53
Speaker 2: It's his favorite Ryan Blisp and Texans all in the
24:58
Speaker 2: same room. So well, we'll talk about that with Creig
25:01
Speaker 2: Bell here in a matter of moments, But first let's
25:03
Speaker 2: get to the rest of your headlines. Brought to you
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Speaker 2: Mariners can go five games over five hundred for the
25:11
Speaker 2: first time this year. They'll be back in Baltimore for
25:13
Speaker 2: Game three of a four game series. Another three thirty
25:16
Speaker 2: five star time, George Kirby versus right hander Brandon Young.
25:20
Speaker 2: Colt Emerson missed two straight games with that back injury
25:24
Speaker 2: of his but he's not been placed on the IL.
25:27
Speaker 2: We'll look at that as good news. Cooper Criswell was
25:30
Speaker 2: placed on the IL yesterday to make room for Nick Devilla.
25:33
Speaker 2: I don't think Criswell's hurt, but that could be me
25:38
Speaker 2: just spreading gossip. Kyl Rawley has been hurt and he's
25:41
Speaker 2: on reab right now. He was in Tacoma yesterday and
25:44
Speaker 2: decided to hit two home runs, including a grand Slam
25:47
Speaker 2: for the Rayniers. We are certainly going to talk about
25:50
Speaker 2: that later on in the hour. The World Cup the
25:54
Speaker 2: Week is here, where one sleep away from some World
25:57
Speaker 2: Cup action twenty twenty six is going to join us
26:00
Speaker 2: on the program today at nine o'clock. NBA Finals Game
26:04
Speaker 2: number four tonight at five thirty back at Madison Square Garden.
26:08
Speaker 2: The Spurs could break their hearts again and even up
26:11
Speaker 2: this series at two games apiece, which is what.
26:13
Speaker 3: We're all rooting for.
26:15
Speaker 2: And the Stanley Cup Final continues to be one of
26:18
Speaker 2: the most evenly matched series we've seen in sports history.
26:23
Speaker 2: Las Vegas and Carolina just continue to exchange haymakers and
26:27
Speaker 2: what was expected to be a defensive series is turned
26:30
Speaker 2: into anything. But they just keep scoring goals and it
26:34
Speaker 2: feels like they're alternating goals from period to period. Last night,
26:39
Speaker 2: Carolina got an empty netter late to win by two
26:42
Speaker 2: hole goals five to three over Las Vegas, and they
26:45
Speaker 2: have evened up that series at two games apiece. But
26:48
Speaker 2: the story in our headlines that we're going to discuss
26:51
Speaker 2: with our next guest is going to be Seahawks mandatory
26:54
Speaker 2: mini camp, which was held at the Virginia Mason Athletics
26:57
Speaker 2: Center yesterday, and Greg Bell was there in person to
27:01
Speaker 2: watch it all unfold. Joining us now our Seahawks insider
27:05
Speaker 2: Greg Bell, Good morning.
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Speaker 4: Sir, Good morning throws me off without the musical interlude.
27:10
Speaker 3: Ask me too. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Yeah,
27:15
Speaker 3: did you soak in all?
27:16
Speaker 2: Did you get your Ryan Bliss bobblehead and your Ryan
27:19
Speaker 2: Bliss jersey out last night and watch him make all
27:21
Speaker 2: the key crucial plays to support your love for him
27:25
Speaker 2: last night?
27:26
Speaker 1: Yeah?
27:26
Speaker 4: I don't know who Ryan Bliss's agent is, but should
27:29
Speaker 4: be me. I am all for Ryan Bliss. He won
27:33
Speaker 4: the game last I know Rose Arena hit the home run.
27:35
Speaker 4: But Bliss's dimension, of course, is his speed, and it
27:40
Speaker 4: was his speed that one game on defense last night,
27:43
Speaker 4: racing to the bag at second, racing to that pop
27:45
Speaker 4: climb show right, racing over to that ground ball the
27:49
Speaker 4: night before. They don't have that. He's the one dimension.
27:53
Speaker 4: I know he's not hitting much, but I just think
27:56
Speaker 4: his speed is something that they can use all over
27:58
Speaker 4: the places. And yeah, keep him, don't send him back.
28:06
Speaker 3: Have you met him yet? I mean, I know you've
28:07
Speaker 3: covered some.
28:08
Speaker 4: That's what's funny. I'm going I haven't. And as much
28:12
Speaker 4: as I keep talking him up, I'm hoping to keep
28:14
Speaker 4: talking up to the point where I want to go
28:15
Speaker 4: meet him and he says, oh, I heard you say.
28:18
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this.
28:19
Speaker 2: If you're a fan of him because of his baseball whale,
28:22
Speaker 2: you meet him because he is just a wonderful young man,
28:25
Speaker 2: Just a wonderful young man.
28:26
Speaker 4: I've been told that I need to spend more time
28:28
Speaker 4: lately in the Mariner's clubhouse, But I don't know. If
28:30
Speaker 4: you saw at the end of the game Tuesday, night
28:33
Speaker 4: or whatever night, Monday night, whatever the night was. When
28:36
Speaker 4: he first came up and Brad Adam and he were
28:38
Speaker 4: talking about the fact that Brian Bliss's bags never made
28:42
Speaker 4: it to Baltimore. They got stuck in Denver somewhere, so
28:45
Speaker 4: I didn't have any clothes. And he and Adam were
28:48
Speaker 4: joking that they're about the same size, and Brad said, oh,
28:50
Speaker 4: I'll take you shop, and what size shoes do you wear? Oh? I,
28:52
Speaker 4: we're tends too. And now there's a joke that Brad
28:55
Speaker 4: Adam and Ryan Bliss are wearing the same clothes in
28:58
Speaker 4: road trop.
28:58
Speaker 2: Well, JP's like his big brother. JP will take him
29:01
Speaker 2: clothes shopping. He's got the funds all right. Well, Greg
29:04
Speaker 2: Bell is with us and he's our Seahawks insider of course,
29:07
Speaker 2: and of course you can hear him at ten o'clock.
29:08
Speaker 2: So we can talk about Ryan Bliss some more at
29:11
Speaker 2: ten o'clock here today. But we do want to talk
29:14
Speaker 2: some Seahawks football mandatory mini camp yesterday. And you didn't
29:19
Speaker 2: have to tell these players twice, other than a couple
29:22
Speaker 2: of injury guys, everybody showed up yesterday.
29:25
Speaker 3: Correct.
29:27
Speaker 1: Correct.
29:28
Speaker 4: DeMarcus Lawrence, the thirty four year old in his thirteenth
29:31
Speaker 4: season who could blow it off but would get fine
29:34
Speaker 4: for doing it now. Although I'm not sure Mike McDonald
29:37
Speaker 4: would find these guys if he didn't show up. They
29:39
Speaker 4: probably McDonald would, Pete Carroll wouldn't. But Devin Eastern, the
29:43
Speaker 4: rookie seventh round pick the nose tackle was the only
29:45
Speaker 4: one I didn't see anywhere on the field without explanation
29:48
Speaker 4: to where he was. A rookie seventh round pick probably
29:52
Speaker 4: is excused or has a reason that he's not on
29:54
Speaker 4: the field. He's probably somewhere around the facility. He'd be
29:57
Speaker 4: unusual for a rookie to blow off of manit mini camp.
30:00
Speaker 1: But yeah, everyone was there.
30:03
Speaker 4: By far, the most surprising thing Chuck was right at
30:06
Speaker 4: the beginning of practice. Here walks Zach Sharboney right with
30:10
Speaker 4: a trainer, and he goes to the corner field by
30:13
Speaker 4: the lake, and he's doing high hurdler, high step, high knees,
30:18
Speaker 4: lateral movements. He wasn't just walking. He was doing far more.
30:22
Speaker 1: He's doing the.
30:23
Speaker 4: Rapid fire chop high steps. He was doing far more
30:27
Speaker 4: than a guy who is knee reconstructed less than four
30:29
Speaker 4: months ago would probably be doing. Mike McDonald said at
30:33
Speaker 4: the combine to us the last days of February that
30:36
Speaker 4: the surgery went better than the team might have thought.
30:39
Speaker 4: It's a more optimistic outlook than they originally projected. But
30:42
Speaker 4: he made coy on a timeline. Oh, I wouldn't have
30:46
Speaker 4: bet against Zach, and if anyone could do with Zach
30:48
Speaker 4: can usually an acl reconstructive surge. That's for football players
30:53
Speaker 4: eight to twelve months. Eight On the very very optimistic side,
30:58
Speaker 4: he didn't have the surgery because of sw until mid February,
31:02
Speaker 4: so eight months after surgery, you're talking mid October. Of course,
31:07
Speaker 4: that's welcome to the regular season. What I'm not drawn
31:11
Speaker 4: conclusions because it's only June and he's in T shirts
31:13
Speaker 4: and sweatpants and hoodie.
31:15
Speaker 1: But what I saw yesterday suggested he might.
31:18
Speaker 4: Be beating that estimate and it perhaps he could factor into.
31:22
Speaker 1: The early part of the season.
31:23
Speaker 4: We'll see. Yeah, But it was a surprise by far
31:26
Speaker 4: that he was even on the field.
31:27
Speaker 2: A surprise and yet not surprising from the standpoint of
31:31
Speaker 2: if that that to me is like, yeah, Zach Charbonay
31:34
Speaker 2: will get back earlier than expected.
31:36
Speaker 3: I don't know.
31:37
Speaker 2: There's just something about his makeup and the way he's
31:39
Speaker 2: wired that even though it's surprising to see him be
31:43
Speaker 2: that ahead of schedule, if any one would be, I know,
31:47
Speaker 2: Charbonay would probably be up there at the top of
31:49
Speaker 2: the list for me.
31:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, and McDonald has said that too and practically pragmatically
31:54
Speaker 4: thinking and speaking. There's a reason for him to get
31:57
Speaker 4: back because this is his contract here, this last year
32:00
Speaker 4: of his rookie deal. The Seahawks have a decision. Charbone's
32:03
Speaker 4: not stupid. He saw them just draft the running back
32:06
Speaker 4: number one in the first round jedari and Price is
32:09
Speaker 4: going to be under a relatively cheap rookie contract for
32:11
Speaker 4: the next four years. It's high time for sharbon Ad
32:14
Speaker 4: to remind them why they draft him in a second
32:17
Speaker 4: round a few years ago, why he ran for twelve
32:19
Speaker 4: touchdowns last year. So, I mean that's not the reason.
32:23
Speaker 4: But he's motivated for sure because he doesn't have it,
32:25
Speaker 4: just like Kenneth Walker this time last year, Zach Charbonaye
32:29
Speaker 4: doesn't have a football home after the season.
32:31
Speaker 3: What do you mean by jadari On Price now? More
32:33
Speaker 3: like RB one a.
32:37
Speaker 4: Well in OTAs he was the clear number two and
32:41
Speaker 4: he was mostly on the second team offense with Drew
32:44
Speaker 4: Locke yesterday, he was far more into the ones. He
32:47
Speaker 4: was altering at the very end of drills at scrimmages
32:50
Speaker 4: and OTAs. Yesterday he was getting whole series with the
32:54
Speaker 4: ones with sam donoald AND's starting offense, and it was
32:57
Speaker 4: much more of a job share. It looked a lot
33:00
Speaker 4: more like Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonne that season yesterday,
33:04
Speaker 4: so that was the first time that I saw them
33:07
Speaker 4: adding two prices first team reps an entire series, or
33:12
Speaker 4: two in team scrimmages. So I still would be shocked
33:16
Speaker 4: if he's not the starting running back Week one against
33:19
Speaker 4: New England September ninth, If you dropped the guy in
33:21
Speaker 4: the first round, that's the plan. The charbon A return
33:25
Speaker 4: would perhaps change the dynamics of the starting running back
33:28
Speaker 4: position early in the season.
33:30
Speaker 2: Though, Greg Bell is with us our Seahawks Insider, and
33:33
Speaker 2: of course you can follow him at gee Bel Seattle,
33:35
Speaker 2: and he does have complete coverage of day number one,
33:37
Speaker 2: a mandatory mini camp yesterday. A beautiful day to practice
33:40
Speaker 2: a little football and shells yesterday out at the Virginia
33:45
Speaker 2: Mason Athletics Center, and certainly a lot of other ground
33:48
Speaker 2: to cover, including and I don't want to. I don't
33:51
Speaker 2: know who to give credit to for this tweet that
33:54
Speaker 2: I saw. It was just at random, but it certainly
33:57
Speaker 2: wasn't an observation I made on my own, and somebody
34:01
Speaker 2: yesterday had just tweeted out, man is even worry about
34:04
Speaker 2: the same size as DeMarcus Lawrence. As they were sitting
34:07
Speaker 2: there sort of standing next to one another. That is
34:12
Speaker 2: kind of incredible that they could have the same body
34:16
Speaker 2: type considering the positions that they play. And so I
34:20
Speaker 2: would ask you, has has Lawrence gotten thinner? Has Emon
34:24
Speaker 2: Worry gotten bigger? And why are they hanging out together
34:27
Speaker 2: so much right now?
34:29
Speaker 4: Well, to the first point, I think it's a little
34:32
Speaker 4: bit of hyperbole. They even Worry is much much much
34:36
Speaker 4: slender and wiry. They may be similar height, but Tank
34:41
Speaker 4: Lawrence is what he is. He's a tank.
34:43
Speaker 1: It's why they call him that.
34:44
Speaker 4: He's got a huge upper body and shoulders. He looks
34:47
Speaker 4: like a fourteen thirteen year defensive end outside linebacker. And
34:51
Speaker 4: even Worriy likes the guy looks like a guy who's
34:53
Speaker 4: twenty two years old growing into his body. So I
34:55
Speaker 4: wouldn't say they look exactly, They're just similar in height.
34:59
Speaker 4: I would say the reason that DeMarcus Lawrence's biggest value
35:04
Speaker 4: and he's got huge value on the field. Obviously another
35:07
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl last year ed rusher who was forcing just everything.
35:12
Speaker 4: Mike McDonald wanted him more. But his biggest value to
35:16
Speaker 4: this team is his teaching he does. Mike McDonald said
35:19
Speaker 4: he has never seen ever in his football career a
35:22
Speaker 4: guy that practices exactly as the coach's drilling, exactly as
35:27
Speaker 4: they draw it up. He is the prototype of how
35:30
Speaker 4: to do drills. And he pulls guys aside. He pulls
35:34
Speaker 4: Riley Mills aside to the defensive lineman. He pulled the
35:38
Speaker 4: undrafted rookie from Northeast Northwestern the outside linebacker aside. Yesterday
35:43
Speaker 4: he pulled me Ki men Warrior's side to work on
35:46
Speaker 4: steps and pass rush and these very pickyune minutia drills
35:53
Speaker 4: around medicine balls and around hula hoop rings for leverage
35:58
Speaker 4: and leaning.
35:59
Speaker 1: He spends a lot of time with other players.
36:03
Speaker 4: A guy who's obviously secure in his own craft, but
36:07
Speaker 4: his influence, his umbrella spread of influence.
36:10
Speaker 1: Across the breadth of the roster.
36:11
Speaker 4: He does it with Gray's able in the offensive lineman too.
36:15
Speaker 4: He is a wealth of knowledge that he's not willing
36:18
Speaker 4: to keep to himself. And I asked even Worry about
36:21
Speaker 4: it after practice and he goes, Yeah, this guy teaches
36:24
Speaker 4: me how to win. And he said he does it
36:26
Speaker 4: in a really simple way. It's easy to understand, to
36:29
Speaker 4: not clutter Eman Worrey's mind. Emil Orrey said that he
36:33
Speaker 4: really wants to refine his game this season. He said
36:35
Speaker 4: he really didn't learn the part of the defensive recognizing
36:39
Speaker 4: offensive formations and knowing what plays might be coming until
36:43
Speaker 4: week eight or nine last season. And when interestingly, Ernest
36:48
Speaker 4: Jones yesterday when someone asked him about nick Eman Warrior,
36:51
Speaker 4: what's the next step he can take? He said, in
36:53
Speaker 4: the classroom. So it's the preparation now, the nuance, the
36:57
Speaker 4: professionalism of being an NFL defensive place player that the
37:01
Speaker 4: Seahawk veterans are calling on even worried to improve upon.
37:04
Speaker 4: And that's natural for a second year guy. Once you
37:06
Speaker 4: learn in the physical speed of the game, and the
37:09
Speaker 4: next step is to perfect the mental. But yeah, Marcus Lawrence,
37:13
Speaker 4: it's huge that he's back for this team. I know
37:15
Speaker 4: there were some rumors that he might retire. Mike McDonald
37:19
Speaker 4: has had assurances he was going to be here.
37:20
Speaker 1: Here he is. He doesn't have it.
37:22
Speaker 4: He's got six kids, he's made one hundred and forty
37:24
Speaker 4: million dollars, he's thirty four years old. He finally won
37:27
Speaker 4: in Super Bowl. But he's back and he's fully engaged
37:30
Speaker 4: in teaching.
37:30
Speaker 2: All right, So I take it to Devin Witherspoon didn't
37:33
Speaker 2: show up angry at the world that he doesn't have
37:35
Speaker 2: a contract extension like JSN.
37:38
Speaker 3: Correct.
37:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's smarter than that. No.
37:41
Speaker 4: Actually, he was more participating yesterday than he was in
37:44
Speaker 4: the OTAs. He was full go, fully participating in all
37:47
Speaker 4: the scrimmages. He was sitting out most of the eleven
37:49
Speaker 4: on eleven in the OTAs, and it looked like he
37:52
Speaker 4: was trying to save himself from possibly any chance of
37:55
Speaker 4: getting hurt before he signs the contract. It's gonna get done.
37:58
Speaker 4: It's going to get done probably around the start of
38:00
Speaker 4: training camp. But in the meantime he's ripping on Jake Bobo.
38:05
Speaker 4: Bobo took a bubble screen pass and because you can't
38:08
Speaker 4: tackle and hit, Bobo runs past all the defenders and
38:10
Speaker 4: rush through room down the field and Witherspoon, who was
38:13
Speaker 4: on the sidelines, watching the twos scrimmage, was just screaming
38:16
Speaker 4: at him. No, man, no way that's going to happen
38:18
Speaker 4: in the game, because of course everyone teases Bobo for
38:21
Speaker 4: being slow or slower than most NFL player relatively slow.
38:25
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's like the Saguards wanted me. You know,
38:28
Speaker 2: I don't have to put up with this abuse.
38:30
Speaker 1: I had an offer sheet.
38:34
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it's full Devin Witherspoon, not just not a malecontent,
38:38
Speaker 4: not upset. No, it's moving along its path. The devil's
38:42
Speaker 4: in the details of the money offered. This the JSN
38:45
Speaker 4: deals and anomaly to get done as early as it did.
38:48
Speaker 4: Smith and Jacob talked about that yesterday. But the guaranteed
38:51
Speaker 4: money when you get it, how much is guaranteed its signing,
38:53
Speaker 4: how much is guaranteed within twelve months against injury. That's
38:56
Speaker 4: why it takes longer for these type of deals get done.
38:59
Speaker 2: You were there covering this team in twenty fourteen, you know,
39:03
Speaker 2: coming off of their Super Bowl win, and by the way,
39:06
Speaker 2: that was a very successful year. I mean it was
39:08
Speaker 2: one yard shy of the super Bowl. So it's not
39:11
Speaker 2: like things fell apart after their first year. But sometimes
39:14
Speaker 2: it does. Sometimes the teams win a championship and they
39:17
Speaker 2: don't put it back together. They start coming apart at
39:20
Speaker 2: the seams almost immediately. We've seen it happen before. Why
39:25
Speaker 2: is that not a risk? What was the attitude like
39:28
Speaker 2: on day number one a mandatory mini camp. What is
39:32
Speaker 2: what is Mike McDonald putting in place to make sure
39:34
Speaker 2: that this team is just as hungry this year despite
39:37
Speaker 2: what they accomplished last year.
39:40
Speaker 1: That's a good question. Check.
39:43
Speaker 4: These guys are more humble. They have a coach who
39:46
Speaker 4: demands they be humble. Pete Carroll demanded the opposite. He
39:51
Speaker 4: wanted the bravado. He wanted guys to be all about
39:54
Speaker 4: themselves and be the best sells they can be, Go
39:57
Speaker 4: get yours.
39:58
Speaker 1: It worked.
40:00
Speaker 4: McDonald's way is working too, but it's the opposite in
40:02
Speaker 4: that regard. They've got younger players.
40:05
Speaker 1: Think about it, they don't really have a super duper star.
40:08
Speaker 4: Yes, Smith and Jigba just a meteoric season last year
40:11
Speaker 4: in Ell Pro and Offensive player of the Year in
40:13
Speaker 4: the huge contract. Devin Witherspoon, Yeah, we think he's a
40:15
Speaker 4: superstar out here, but NFLI nationally, not a Gigantics, not
40:20
Speaker 4: an All Pro. That Super Bowl team in twenty fourteen
40:23
Speaker 4: for the Seahawks had Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas and
40:27
Speaker 4: Michael Bennett and Bobby Wagner and Russell Wilson entering his
40:31
Speaker 4: prime and Marshawn Lynch all his persona. There were some dudes,
40:36
Speaker 4: and they don't have a lot of dudes like that here.
40:39
Speaker 4: They have a lot of selfless I don't want to
40:42
Speaker 4: say no name because they're not no name, but they're
40:44
Speaker 4: far less established. They're also not all making giganty money
40:48
Speaker 4: or about to sign huge extensions like top of the
40:50
Speaker 4: market extensions. Smith and Jigba and Witherspoon, yes, but everybody else,
40:55
Speaker 4: the legion of boom was.
40:58
Speaker 1: About to go get theirs.
40:59
Speaker 4: And that's not where this team and this defense is.
41:02
Speaker 4: So I see a much different vibe. It was a
41:06
Speaker 4: show with those twenty fourteen team, the bravado and the
41:10
Speaker 4: attitude and the Richard Sherman just mouthing off.
41:14
Speaker 1: And fighting with guys.
41:16
Speaker 4: They lost a draft pick because of how much they
41:18
Speaker 4: fought in offseason practices and got fined for it. Not this,
41:22
Speaker 4: this is such a different deal. It's a real testament
41:25
Speaker 4: to Mike McDonald to get twenty and thirty year old
41:29
Speaker 4: guys who are in a profession where they have to
41:32
Speaker 4: make their money now because it's about the end to
41:34
Speaker 4: be this selfless. It's a real leadership coup. And the
41:38
Speaker 4: stuff he does, the military ethos, the togetherness, the team work,
41:42
Speaker 4: it's working and it's just amazing to watch it. He's
41:45
Speaker 4: pulled it off in just two years. And I keep
41:47
Speaker 4: reminding myself this is the first time he's ever been
41:49
Speaker 4: a head coach at any level. Yeah, and he's done
41:52
Speaker 4: it better than anybody in the football world.
41:54
Speaker 1: Yeah.
41:54
Speaker 2: I think we've got a prodigy here. He's acing the
41:56
Speaker 2: test his first time taking out. Yeah, he passed the
41:58
Speaker 2: bar the very first time that he took the exam.
42:02
Speaker 3: All right, thirty seconds. Love, What do you got today?
42:04
Speaker 4: At ten o'clock, Uh, we'll talk everything I wrote for
42:09
Speaker 4: the News Tribune and saw yesterday on the field.
42:12
Speaker 1: I'll detail that. I'll talk about Jared Ivy.
42:14
Speaker 4: Has a new position, for instance, and then go deeper
42:17
Speaker 4: into the roster. Eleven o'clock, we're hoping to talk to
42:20
Speaker 4: Bruce Feldman, national college football guy for The Athletic about
42:22
Speaker 4: the Brendan Soresby absolutely. I mean, have we ever seen
42:26
Speaker 4: college sports as broken it as it is united against
42:29
Speaker 4: one enemy. We've got one now with Texas Tech and Gable.
42:35
Speaker 4: I'll be doing it from the Virginia mas Athletics Center.
42:37
Speaker 1: By the way. Tomorrow they're going to get their Super
42:39
Speaker 1: Bowl rings.
42:39
Speaker 2: Oh oh wow, that would be nice. If you've got one,
42:45
Speaker 2: that'd be nice. They just slipped you one.
42:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, that first, that would be conflict of interesting not
42:50
Speaker 4: very media ethics of Oh, depending on who the coach is.
43:02
Speaker 4: Not everyone, but depending on who the coach.
43:06
Speaker 1: I was across the bow. Actually that was a couple
43:09
Speaker 1: of them.
43:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, we're not shut but we
43:12
Speaker 3: don't mess around. We're bow shooters.
43:15
Speaker 2: All right, Greg, Well, listening at ten, talk to you soon,
43:18
Speaker 2: all right? All right, Greg Bell our Seahawks insider. You
43:20
Speaker 2: can followhim at g Bell Seattle there on X and
43:22
Speaker 2: of course he's got complete coverage of.
43:24
Speaker 3: The Seahawks for you at the News Tribune dot com.
43:26
Speaker 3: Coming up next, ABC's of the Ems.
43:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot more to get to about the
43:30
Speaker 2: Mariners today, so we'll we'll hop to it next.
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Speaker 3: On Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ r F M.
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Speaker 2: No's for Old Garf and I need people to stop
43:41
Speaker 2: thinking about Old Garve when they're watching New Garf.
43:44
Speaker 7: Okay, okay, we got a new Garve on on our hands.
43:48
Speaker 3: New Garf. New Garve's great.
43:51
Speaker 2: New Garve is exactly what you want a backup catcher
43:55
Speaker 2: to be. But we're still thinking about Old Garf and
43:58
Speaker 2: how much he let us down because he was supposed
44:01
Speaker 2: to arrive on the scene, and he was supposed to
44:04
Speaker 2: be a big free agent addition, and he was supposed
44:07
Speaker 2: to destroy left handed pitching, and he never really did
44:10
Speaker 2: any of those things. Remember, he wasn't even supposed to
44:13
Speaker 2: catch for us. Yeah, he was just supposed to be
44:15
Speaker 2: a designated hitter and then and he was very excited
44:20
Speaker 2: about that because he told us in our first interview
44:22
Speaker 2: with Old Garve that he believed that all of his
44:26
Speaker 2: injury problems that he'd had throughout his career were the
44:30
Speaker 2: result of how much of a beating he took behind
44:33
Speaker 2: the plate. He wasn't even supposed to catch. He was
44:36
Speaker 2: supposed to be like a third emergency catcher for this team. Well,
44:39
Speaker 2: now New Garve, he's not making nearly as much money.
44:45
Speaker 2: Was brought back, was certainly humbled by a couple of
44:48
Speaker 2: years of not succeeding here. And then, despite the fact
44:52
Speaker 2: that he didn't have the greatest time as a Seattle
44:56
Speaker 2: Mariner in terms of how the fans treated him, made
45:00
Speaker 2: that very public. He was he was fought for by
45:03
Speaker 2: cal Raley during spring trainer. Remember he'd been replaced. We
45:07
Speaker 2: had Andrew Kisner here. Yeah, and so Mitch Garver comes
45:10
Speaker 2: and says, Okay, you fought for me, and I did
45:14
Speaker 2: have a great time with this team and these teammates,
45:17
Speaker 2: and I want to be a part of this and
45:19
Speaker 2: thank you cal and you kept my major league career alive.
45:23
Speaker 2: And then he joined the team fighting for a roster spot,
45:26
Speaker 2: which he won, and as a pure backup catcher. So
45:33
Speaker 2: we can't think of new Garve as Old Garf. Oldgarve
45:36
Speaker 2: was supposed to pound the hell out of pitchers, especially
45:39
Speaker 2: left handed pitchers. New Garv is just supposed to be
45:44
Speaker 2: a quality backup who the pitchers love to throw to
45:48
Speaker 2: and won't feel like their worlds come apart if cal
45:50
Speaker 2: Raley's not behind the plate, and we'll hit the occasional
45:54
Speaker 2: home run.
45:54
Speaker 3: Because he does have power.
45:56
Speaker 2: New Garf is sensational because he's brought us so much
46:00
Speaker 2: more than that he's actually hit. Since cal went on
46:03
Speaker 2: the il new Garv is the best challenger in the world.
46:08
Speaker 2: He's second best statistically going into last night, and he
46:11
Speaker 2: was perfect last night. So he might have overtaken Carson
46:16
Speaker 2: Kelly from the Cubs as the number one challenger in
46:20
Speaker 2: the sport right now, but an over eighty one percent
46:23
Speaker 2: overturn rate right now for Mitch Garver as a challenger,
46:26
Speaker 2: and he was doing it successfully again last night. And
46:29
Speaker 2: new Garv also had a couple of pretty nice tags
46:33
Speaker 2: because despite what they went on and on and on
46:37
Speaker 2: about last night about what a great play Cole Young
46:39
Speaker 2: made from shortstop to home, that was not a great play.
46:43
Speaker 2: It was good play, yeah, but he threw it to
46:46
Speaker 2: the wrong side of home plate. You throw that to
46:48
Speaker 2: the right side of home plate, that's an easy out
46:50
Speaker 2: at home And Garv had to go across his body
46:53
Speaker 2: to make that tag. So you know, I mean, backup
46:57
Speaker 2: catchers are what they are. Backup catchers you don't expect
47:00
Speaker 2: a whole lot out of And that's the.
47:02
Speaker 3: Way that we've got to view New Garf. So whatever
47:05
Speaker 3: problems you had with old Garf, you got to put
47:08
Speaker 3: those aside because this new Garf guy is doing a
47:11
Speaker 3: great job on this baseball team this year.
47:13
Speaker 7: We've got to make room for new GARV.
47:15
Speaker 3: New GARV. New garves great to hang out with.
47:18
Speaker 7: He is I mean that guy could chug a beer,
47:20
Speaker 7: let me tell you.
47:23
Speaker 1: So.
47:23
Speaker 2: Yes, And he's going to stay. So I know there's
47:26
Speaker 2: this what happens when Cal gets back. It's easy. Parade
47:29
Speaker 2: is going to go down to the minors and new
47:31
Speaker 2: Garf will be the backup. Because if you let go
47:34
Speaker 2: of new Garf, you're he's gone where Parade still has
47:38
Speaker 2: option rights and you can hold on to him at Tacoma.
47:40
Speaker 2: And you want to, Yeah, you want to keep all
47:42
Speaker 2: three guys in your.
47:43
Speaker 9: Organization, right, and I don't want to see Parada get
47:45
Speaker 9: sent down. But the last thing I want is to
47:47
Speaker 9: not have all three. So if that's the way we
47:49
Speaker 9: got to do it, then that's the way we gotta
47:50
Speaker 9: do it.
47:50
Speaker 3: Hey, nothing wrong. We have a new Garf on your
47:52
Speaker 3: baseball that's.
47:53
Speaker 7: Right, New Garf. That guy he's gont a winning smile.
47:56
Speaker 3: New Garf comes on the bus like, hey, new Garf,
47:57
Speaker 3: sit by me?
47:58
Speaker 7: Yeah, come here, Hey, no, new Gar's supposed to sit
48:01
Speaker 7: by me today.
48:02
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, like when old Garf came down and they're like
48:05
Speaker 3: seat's taken, all right. Pee is for piggyback.
48:16
Speaker 1: Ashley.
48:16
Speaker 3: Uh, I want the piggyback back me too.
48:21
Speaker 7: I said this.
48:22
Speaker 9: I'm not that exactly yesterday, but I said I like
48:25
Speaker 9: the piggyback man and the six man rotation because we're
48:27
Speaker 9: not saving the bullpen.
48:29
Speaker 2: We get to save the bullpen if we're having this.
48:32
Speaker 2: And I and for the record, and I've already stated
48:34
Speaker 2: this this morning, I don't think we should be having
48:37
Speaker 2: this much trouble trying to get our bullpen healthy and
48:42
Speaker 2: available to us.
48:43
Speaker 7: Yeah.
48:44
Speaker 2: I don't know why it's such a challenge right now
48:47
Speaker 2: when our bullpen has thrown the fewest innings of any
48:50
Speaker 2: bullpen in the American League so far.
48:52
Speaker 3: I don't know.
48:53
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to me like we've had some harrowing
48:56
Speaker 2: moment where a starting pitcher was only able to go
48:58
Speaker 2: an inning in two thirds and.
49:00
Speaker 3: Shook our world.
49:02
Speaker 2: I think the not pitching Munjos and Brash enough, only
49:06
Speaker 2: saving them for certain opportunities has forced us to use
49:10
Speaker 2: other guys more frequently, and it's thinned out our bullpen,
49:14
Speaker 2: even though Munjosen Brash want to pitch more, especially Munyos.
49:18
Speaker 3: I think that's what's caused this.
49:21
Speaker 2: I don't know what to even describe it, logjam, whatever
49:24
Speaker 2: it is that we have right now where we can't
49:26
Speaker 2: get through a game. We're barely getting through games with
49:29
Speaker 2: enough relief pitching. It stems from the way that the
49:33
Speaker 2: group has been used to this point this year. It
49:36
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with how much they've been used overall,
49:40
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. And so if we're going to
49:42
Speaker 2: struggle this much with it, we got a long effing
49:45
Speaker 2: way to go in this season. And if piggyback saves
49:50
Speaker 2: us from using the bullpen and makes Dan's job easier,
49:53
Speaker 2: since this seems to be, you know, the ultimate Rubik's
49:56
Speaker 2: Cube in his life, he can't figure out how to
49:59
Speaker 2: make this work. The piggyback gives you a night every
50:02
Speaker 2: five nights, every six nights, if you get a day
50:05
Speaker 2: off in which you don't have to use theoretically the
50:08
Speaker 2: bullpen at all. Now, I wouldn't put Miller back in
50:12
Speaker 2: that role, but I maybe I goose two different guys.
50:17
Speaker 3: I don't know. Probably would use Castillo still.
50:20
Speaker 2: But if we're going to struggle this much to get
50:23
Speaker 2: through a week without a day off with our bullpen
50:28
Speaker 2: and having one fewer guy, then maybe it's essential.
50:32
Speaker 3: The piggyback thing worked.
50:34
Speaker 2: Yes, it did, and we won two out of three games.
50:37
Speaker 2: Both starting pitchers were phenomenal, and the bullpen did get
50:41
Speaker 2: rested a lot more than what it does on an
50:44
Speaker 2: average night in Major League Baseball. So if we're going
50:47
Speaker 2: to struggle this much, if it takes, if we're on
50:50
Speaker 2: June tenth and we're like our bullpen is taxed even
50:53
Speaker 2: though they've been taxed least of any bullpen in the
50:57
Speaker 2: American League, then maybe we need the piggyback just to
51:01
Speaker 2: save us from our decisions that we make regarding how
51:05
Speaker 2: much we use our guys.
51:06
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm all for saving arms. It's a long season, right,
51:09
Speaker 9: we want our guys to be healthy. We don't want
51:10
Speaker 9: anyone to be overused. But I think we're taking it
51:12
Speaker 9: to an extreme, and it seemed I mean, even in
51:15
Speaker 9: the loss with the piggyback that wasn't on the pitching No.
51:18
Speaker 9: So I don't know the argument for six man rotation
51:22
Speaker 9: versus piggyback. I don't know how anyone could think the
51:24
Speaker 9: six man rotation is a better option when you look
51:27
Speaker 9: at what the piggyback actually does for our bullpen.
51:30
Speaker 2: I want the piggyback, picky back, piggyback, piggybackgyack, piggy back back,
51:35
Speaker 2: piggy back, piggy piggyback, piggyback, piggyback back.
51:41
Speaker 3: Finally and quickly, and I do have to be quick.
51:43
Speaker 3: It's a good thing. Q is for quick, Ashley.
51:48
Speaker 2: I realized Cal needs some time down there, but I
51:51
Speaker 2: don't want to waste two home run games in Tacoma. No,
51:54
Speaker 2: like five innings yesterday, He's already hit like one to
51:58
Speaker 2: the wall and two over the wall.
52:00
Speaker 7: He's good.
52:03
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't he be good?
52:04
Speaker 2: If he's good, he's good, if he's if he looks
52:06
Speaker 2: like he can catch nine innings fling good. If if
52:10
Speaker 2: he catches nine innings. I don't know if he's playing tonight,
52:14
Speaker 2: I don't know. If they're going to give him a
52:15
Speaker 2: day off, I don't know. But in his next game,
52:17
Speaker 2: if he catches nine innings and looks good at the
52:19
Speaker 2: plate again, then I say we bring him back in
52:21
Speaker 2: time for Friday and I have.
52:23
Speaker 3: The Rainiers game.
52:23
Speaker 2: I would like nothing more than to have the Cal
52:26
Speaker 2: element on our broadcast on Friday night, but I would
52:29
Speaker 2: rather have him in Washington, d C.
52:31
Speaker 3: Friday night catching.
52:32
Speaker 9: For him, and that's understandable, Yeah, I think if and
52:34
Speaker 9: he doesn't seem to be feeling any ill effects, so
52:37
Speaker 9: let's go.
52:39
Speaker 2: Well, I say, one more time, he needs to catch
52:41
Speaker 2: nine innings.
52:43
Speaker 1: Give him.
52:43
Speaker 2: You know, they'll probably give him today off and then tomorrow.
52:47
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how they're doing it, but I
52:49
Speaker 2: think this is gonna be a quick stint for Cal
52:51
Speaker 2: in Tacoma. There's no rule that states he's got to
52:54
Speaker 2: stay down there a week. If he's ready to go,
52:57
Speaker 2: and he's hitting better and he looks better at the
52:59
Speaker 2: play than he has all season long, then let's get
53:01
Speaker 2: him in a Mariner uniform, get up all right, coming
53:04
Speaker 2: out next, Reckless at Breakfast on KJR, and much much
53:07
Speaker 2: more to cover. But man, that music has come to
53:10
Speaker 2: mean something. It means it's time for the Seahawks One series.
53:13
Speaker 2: It's something that we do every June, once per day,
53:16
Speaker 2: we bring on one of the top minds in all
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Speaker 2: of Seattle to break down one key Seahawk player for
53:22
Speaker 2: one entire interview, and today we've tabbed one from inside
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Speaker 2: the house joining us on the program. He is the
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Speaker 2: venerable host co host of the Softy and Dick Radio program.
53:35
Speaker 2: Dick Fane now joins us here on Chuck and Buck
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Speaker 2: in the mornings.
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Speaker 3: Good morning, sir, Hi Chuck.
53:41
Speaker 8: How are you doing.
53:42
Speaker 3: I'm doing. I'm good. How are you doing? What's going
53:44
Speaker 3: on with it?
53:45
Speaker 6: I'm as I mean, I'm better than old Garf not
53:48
Speaker 6: as good as new GARV.
53:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a big gap there, right when you agree?
53:55
Speaker 8: Yes, I would agree.
53:58
Speaker 4: Yeah.
53:58
Speaker 2: You want to wake up feeling like new you don't
54:00
Speaker 2: want to feel like too.
54:02
Speaker 3: And I've had both. I've had both morning, There's no
54:05
Speaker 3: question about that for sure.
54:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oldgarve had bad breath. New Garth that sounds like centniment.
54:12
Speaker 6: Absolutely that that was a really good comparison.
54:15
Speaker 8: You made last seven.
54:17
Speaker 3: I wanted to honor you in that. Well, thank you.
54:19
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
54:20
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Seahawks one series, So one analyst breaking
54:23
Speaker 2: down one key shawk player for one entire interview. We've
54:25
Speaker 2: got our analyst here, it's Dick Fane, and so what
54:29
Speaker 2: player do you like would you like to break down
54:32
Speaker 2: for us today?
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Speaker 6: Ah number fifteen in your program, number one in your hearts,
54:37
Speaker 6: we saw flashes of greatness and then we saw a
54:40
Speaker 6: whole lot of nothing.
54:41
Speaker 8: That would be wide receiver. Tory Horton.
54:43
Speaker 3: Oh, Tory Horton. All right, very good, very good. What
54:47
Speaker 3: is the role that you foresee for Tory Horton in
54:49
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. Let's start there.
54:52
Speaker 6: Well, let's let's hope that all indications that he's coming
54:57
Speaker 6: back in August and we'll be ready for at least
55:00
Speaker 6: a good portion, if not all, of training camp. Let's
55:03
Speaker 6: just assume those are correct, because this is the longest
55:06
Speaker 6: shin injury I think I can ever remember in the
55:08
Speaker 6: history of shin injuries. So let's let's just assume that
55:15
Speaker 6: he is back. And I think the thing that jumps
55:18
Speaker 6: out about Tory Horton is his ability to just find
55:22
Speaker 6: the end zone, and you know, and taking a look
55:24
Speaker 6: at his history, I mean this is nothing new. I mean,
55:26
Speaker 6: forty seven out of his three hundred and fifteen catches
55:29
Speaker 6: in his football life have been touchdowns. I mean, it's
55:32
Speaker 6: gone all the way back to high school. I was
55:33
Speaker 6: looking at his high school numbers, and I mean he
55:35
Speaker 6: didn't catch a lot of passes, but the passes he
55:37
Speaker 6: caught were touchdowns. I mean fifteen of his thirty seven
55:40
Speaker 6: catches were for touchdowns. He had more touchdown success in
55:44
Speaker 6: college and then you know, five catches, five catches for
55:47
Speaker 6: touchdowns in thirteen receptions last year for the Seahawks, and
55:51
Speaker 6: he also had a kick return for a touchdown. So
55:54
Speaker 6: I mean, a guy finds the end zone. So I
55:57
Speaker 6: think that's something and really that's something that the Sea
56:00
Speaker 6: have lacked for.
56:01
Speaker 3: A long time.
56:01
Speaker 8: I mean, when's the.
56:03
Speaker 6: Last time the Seahawks really had a red zone threat
56:07
Speaker 6: that just had a nose for it. So I think
56:10
Speaker 6: that's probably the role for him. It's not going to
56:13
Speaker 6: be quantity necessarily. I don't think we're going to see
56:16
Speaker 6: seventy catches from Tory Horton unless Cooper Cup you know,
56:19
Speaker 6: proves that he just can't play anymore and Rashid Shaheed
56:22
Speaker 6: gets injured or is ineffective, then maybe Tory Horton becomes
56:26
Speaker 6: your number two wide receiver behind JSN. But I think
56:30
Speaker 6: for that could be the role down the road a
56:33
Speaker 6: little bit. But for this year, I mean, I think
56:35
Speaker 6: the role is get him in there in red zone situations.
56:39
Speaker 6: Hopefully get him you know, fifty ish targets, thirty catches,
56:44
Speaker 6: thirty five catches, and maybe at least match his touchdown
56:49
Speaker 6: output from last year, if not you know, get up
56:51
Speaker 6: there into seven, eight, nine touchdown range.
56:53
Speaker 3: Yeah.
56:54
Speaker 2: What did Buddy Ryan famously say or infamously say about
56:57
Speaker 2: Chris Carter before he cut him? All he does is
56:59
Speaker 2: catch touch And maybe we got the next Chris Carter
57:03
Speaker 2: on our hands here.
57:04
Speaker 3: That would be really nice.
57:07
Speaker 2: Dick Faine with us our Seahawks one series, He's chosen
57:10
Speaker 2: Tory Horton to break down.
57:11
Speaker 3: I go back to the beginning of last year, and man.
57:14
Speaker 2: We were really worried collectively as a Seahawk fan base
57:19
Speaker 2: and as I think a radio station, do we have
57:21
Speaker 2: a deep threat in our receiving game?
57:23
Speaker 3: Cup?
57:23
Speaker 2: And JSN seem to be the same type of receiver,
57:27
Speaker 2: And of course JSN went on to become the best
57:31
Speaker 2: receiver in the National Football League last year. And yet
57:35
Speaker 2: we go into this season with Horton having shown that
57:38
Speaker 2: ability and Rashid Shahed now on the roster. They never
57:42
Speaker 2: shared the field at the exact same time. So do
57:45
Speaker 2: you think that we have number one, avoided that question
57:49
Speaker 2: mark heading into this year? And then number two, how
57:51
Speaker 2: do you perceive Horton and Shahed sharing a field together?
57:57
Speaker 6: Yeah, and both on offense and on special teams too, Right,
58:00
Speaker 6: I mean what's going to be the punt return situation.
58:03
Speaker 6: I would imagine that.
58:04
Speaker 3: You know, it depends.
58:04
Speaker 6: I think it depends a lot on the production level
58:08
Speaker 6: of Shaheed. I think he's going to get the first opportunity.
58:11
Speaker 6: He's the guy that that you gave the contract to.
58:14
Speaker 6: And you know, he still got at least one, if
58:18
Speaker 6: not two years left on that on that contract, I mean,
58:21
Speaker 6: it's a three year deal.
58:22
Speaker 8: But I mean, I don't think you're going.
58:23
Speaker 6: To be paying Rashid Shahed at age thirty a twenty
58:27
Speaker 6: million dollar cap hit in twenty twenty eight, So it's
58:30
Speaker 6: probably a two year contract for Rashid Shahed.
58:33
Speaker 8: And and so it just depends.
58:35
Speaker 6: I mean, I saw, I watched Shahid yesterday at practice.
58:39
Speaker 6: He actually had a play on the sidelines that I
58:41
Speaker 6: really didn't know that he was capable of making, where
58:44
Speaker 6: it was kind of a little out route and he
58:46
Speaker 6: got in front of the air, he got right in
58:47
Speaker 6: front of the cornerback, you know, chopped his.
58:49
Speaker 8: Feet, you know, broke down and got by him.
58:51
Speaker 6: I mean that that to me wasn't something that I'd
58:53
Speaker 6: seen Rashid Shaheed do. And and we've had a lot
58:57
Speaker 6: of questions from Hugh millen On.
59:00
Speaker 8: Really how good.
59:01
Speaker 6: A receiver is Rashid Shaheed really right? I mean, and
59:05
Speaker 6: he as always said, hey, he can take the top off.
59:08
Speaker 6: He's an elite, elite, elite return man. But he's just
59:12
Speaker 6: right now kind of a mediocre wide receiver. But I
59:16
Speaker 6: guess you could still get a little bit of improvement
59:18
Speaker 6: from Shaheed because it's not like he's been used a
59:20
Speaker 6: ton in his career, and so his balance with Horton,
59:25
Speaker 6: I mean it's a good problem to have. It's funny
59:27
Speaker 6: because you have a lot of pass catchers on this
59:29
Speaker 6: team that we all know, we all recognize the names,
59:33
Speaker 6: and yet when you really break it down, do the
59:36
Speaker 6: Seahawks really have a legitimate number two wide receiver.
59:39
Speaker 8: On their roster?
59:40
Speaker 6: And I think the question is still out there to
59:43
Speaker 6: be had. I mean, we have no idea because Cupp
59:47
Speaker 6: would have been that guy, but he might be old.
59:49
Speaker 8: Rashid Shaheed could be that guy.
59:51
Speaker 6: But he's really talented enough at the wide receiver position
59:54
Speaker 6: to be a legitimate number two. Because the number two
59:57
Speaker 6: guys getting you know, ninety targets, he's getting sixty catches,
1:00:01
Speaker 6: he's getting eight hundred yards. I mean, that's what a
1:00:03
Speaker 6: number two wide receiver does on a football team? Is
1:00:06
Speaker 6: it Tory Horton? Could it be Tory Horton down the
1:00:09
Speaker 6: road because he's so young. I mean, Horton's only twenty
1:00:11
Speaker 6: three years of age. He's gonna be twenty three most
1:00:13
Speaker 6: of this season. So I think that's gonna be fascinating
1:00:17
Speaker 6: to watch Chuck during training camp when Horton comes back.
1:00:21
Speaker 6: How they use those two guys they is one simply
1:00:24
Speaker 6: a replacement for another?
1:00:26
Speaker 8: Or do they use him together? And who becomes I
1:00:30
Speaker 8: don't know.
1:00:30
Speaker 6: I mean, honestly, if I had to guess who's the
1:00:33
Speaker 6: number two guy in catches this year, I mean, could
1:00:36
Speaker 6: it possibly be aj Barner? Could it maybe not even
1:00:40
Speaker 6: be a wide receiver who gets the most amount of
1:00:43
Speaker 6: looks and the most amount of catches? Because I really
1:00:45
Speaker 6: feel like AJ Barner is the is the next guy
1:00:49
Speaker 6: on that offense to kind of step up and become
1:00:51
Speaker 6: potentially that borderline Pro Bowl level player on your offense?
1:00:55
Speaker 1: Yeah?
1:00:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't rule that out myself.
1:00:58
Speaker 2: Dick Vane with us here on our Seahawks Series one
1:01:00
Speaker 2: analyst breaking down one key Shawk player for one entire interview,
1:01:03
Speaker 2: and today we're breaking down Tory Horton, number fifteen, the
1:01:07
Speaker 2: wide receiver who did make an impression last year, no
1:01:10
Speaker 2: question about it, but he only played eight games and
1:01:13
Speaker 2: doing so five touchdowns. But his season ends with that,
1:01:18
Speaker 2: like you said, the longest shin injury of all time.
1:01:21
Speaker 2: His college career also ended with an injury, and we
1:01:24
Speaker 2: didn't get to see him the lot in his last season.
1:01:28
Speaker 2: I mean, we have to be careful of sports talk
1:01:30
Speaker 2: show hosts not to take lightly injuries and not to
1:01:35
Speaker 2: cast dispersions because we know how physical the game is.
1:01:39
Speaker 2: But there are some guys, Dick, I mean CJ. Prosie
1:01:42
Speaker 2: for Shadpenny. I mean maybe they did just have bad luck,
1:01:47
Speaker 2: or maybe they were injury prone and couldn't hold up
1:01:51
Speaker 2: in the rugged gladiator National Football League. How much of
1:01:55
Speaker 2: you is a little worried about whether or not Tory
1:01:57
Speaker 2: Horton is one of those guys.
1:02:00
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, I kind of.
1:02:01
Speaker 6: I kind of look bad when I pushed back at
1:02:03
Speaker 6: the Softie and in the beginning of the season before
1:02:05
Speaker 6: this longest shin injury of all time and Safti's like,
1:02:08
Speaker 6: well you know he's he's injury prone. I was like,
1:02:10
Speaker 6: what do you mean he's injury prone? I mean, he
1:02:12
Speaker 6: tore it like he tore his knee once in college.
1:02:14
Speaker 6: And you know that's that's one injury. It is that
1:02:17
Speaker 6: really injury prone. And now here I'm here, I'm talking
1:02:19
Speaker 6: about the longest shin injury of all time.
1:02:21
Speaker 8: So may I mean, I'm.
1:02:23
Speaker 6: Not I'm still not ready. I don't love the injury
1:02:26
Speaker 6: prone label. You mentioned the I mean you mentioned the
1:02:28
Speaker 6: poster child. I mean CJ. Pros is the poster child,
1:02:31
Speaker 6: and Rashad Penny is probably a close second. I mean,
1:02:33
Speaker 6: those are the poster children for Seahawks injury prone players.
1:02:37
Speaker 6: And I'm not gonna dump Tory Horton in that boat yet.
1:02:40
Speaker 6: But if Tory Horton comes back, plays four games and
1:02:45
Speaker 6: has another injury that keeps him out six weeks, two
1:02:48
Speaker 6: months longer.
1:02:50
Speaker 8: Than you know that, that might be three strikes.
1:02:52
Speaker 6: You're out right there, and you might get the injury
1:02:55
Speaker 6: prone label if you get the if you get the
1:02:57
Speaker 6: three long term injuries over the course of two years.
1:03:01
Speaker 2: You know, Hugh talks about this a lot, and I look, frankly,
1:03:06
Speaker 2: I've discussed this a lot over time as well. Just
1:03:09
Speaker 2: you want a wide receiver corps that is varied. It's
1:03:13
Speaker 2: almost like a basketball team, you kind of want to
1:03:15
Speaker 2: point guard type and a two guard type and a
1:03:17
Speaker 2: power forward type. And I think that the Seahawks have
1:03:20
Speaker 2: kind of achieved this with this roster now with JSN
1:03:24
Speaker 2: being your superstar, being your Jordan, and then you've got
1:03:27
Speaker 2: Cup and Horton and Shaheed and Bobo. I mean that's
1:03:32
Speaker 2: a good variety of completely different wide receivers. I think
1:03:36
Speaker 2: you would agree with that. So when the Rams are
1:03:39
Speaker 2: doing things to counter what the Seahawks do well by
1:03:44
Speaker 2: adding to their secondary so aggressively this offseason, have they
1:03:48
Speaker 2: covered all their bases in your opinion, or have Mike
1:03:51
Speaker 2: and John stayed a step ahead of them with the
1:03:54
Speaker 2: versatility they have at this position right now?
1:03:58
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think this is a team that needs
1:04:00
Speaker 6: to invest a lot of money on a number two
1:04:03
Speaker 6: wide receiver. I mean, they invested quite a bit on
1:04:06
Speaker 6: Rashid Shaheed with the contract and then trading the two
1:04:09
Speaker 6: draft picks, and that's probably as far as the investment goes.
1:04:14
Speaker 6: Three years, fifty one million for Rashid Shaheed. I mean,
1:04:17
Speaker 6: that's a fairly significant investment, but it's it's more than
1:04:22
Speaker 6: I thought they would give Rashid Shaheed but really, you're
1:04:25
Speaker 6: paying for two players, right. You're paying for a wide
1:04:28
Speaker 6: receiver that could potentially be your number two guy in targets,
1:04:31
Speaker 6: and you're also paying for a all pro level return man.
1:04:35
Speaker 6: So I mean that's got to be factored in as well,
1:04:38
Speaker 6: because a lot of these number two receivers, most of
1:04:39
Speaker 6: these number two receivers aren't return men at all, let
1:04:42
Speaker 6: alone all pro return men. So I like the Seahawks
1:04:45
Speaker 6: wide receiver corps. I would call it solid. I would
1:04:49
Speaker 6: call it deep. The only thing they're lacking again is
1:04:53
Speaker 6: what we talked about a couple of minutes ago, is
1:04:56
Speaker 6: do you have a number two guy? Or do you
1:04:58
Speaker 6: even need a number two guy? Is it okay to
1:05:02
Speaker 6: if you're gonna get x amount of targets, X amount
1:05:05
Speaker 6: of yards and x amount of touchdowns from somebody not
1:05:08
Speaker 6: named Jack and Smith and Jigba, does it really have
1:05:12
Speaker 6: to be a number two guy gets this much a
1:05:14
Speaker 6: number three guy, number four? Or is it okay to
1:05:17
Speaker 6: have three or four guys all around the same amount
1:05:20
Speaker 6: of targets if they have, like you mentioned, different skill sets,
1:05:24
Speaker 6: and I think they do.
1:05:25
Speaker 8: I mean, every one.
1:05:26
Speaker 6: Of those guys that you mentioned has been productive and
1:05:29
Speaker 6: has scored touchdowns in different kind of ways, no doubt
1:05:33
Speaker 6: about it.
1:05:34
Speaker 2: How much do you think we'll see beyond two receivers?
1:05:37
Speaker 2: I mean, we've just gotten into the modern day world, Dick,
1:05:39
Speaker 2: where I mean four or five receivers at a time.
1:05:42
Speaker 2: But we've also started to transition a little bit away
1:05:44
Speaker 2: from that in the National Football League, a little bit
1:05:48
Speaker 2: more toward running the football. We've got teams with fullbacks
1:05:51
Speaker 2: on their roster.
1:05:52
Speaker 4: Now.
1:05:53
Speaker 2: We have a full back on our roster now, and
1:05:55
Speaker 2: you mentioned Barner and what a step he could take. Well,
1:05:58
Speaker 2: I got to believe that they believe a Royo is
1:06:00
Speaker 2: going to take a step forward as well. So, I mean,
1:06:03
Speaker 2: there's no way to know this until we get in
1:06:05
Speaker 2: the regular season. But how much do you think we'll
1:06:09
Speaker 2: see of double tight end with a fullback being How
1:06:15
Speaker 2: frequently will we even have more than two wide receivers
1:06:18
Speaker 2: on a football field?
1:06:19
Speaker 3: If you're the Seahawks, do you.
1:06:20
Speaker 6: Think, well, if Horton's healthy, probably more than we did
1:06:24
Speaker 6: last year. I think we probably won't be quite as
1:06:28
Speaker 6: run reliant, especially at the beginning of the season without
1:06:32
Speaker 6: zak Sharbona. And when you have zak Sharbona and Ken Walker,
1:06:34
Speaker 6: then you know you're end you have no Tory Horton.
1:06:38
Speaker 6: I mean, that's that kind of a pound the Rock scenario.
1:06:42
Speaker 6: Don't get me wrong, We're not gonna fun and gun
1:06:44
Speaker 6: it next year.
1:06:45
Speaker 8: I don't think Sam.
1:06:46
Speaker 6: Darnold's gonna be thrown for fifty five hundred yards next season.
1:06:50
Speaker 6: But I do think that there, I think they'll be
1:06:52
Speaker 6: a little bit more balance in their attack, a little
1:06:54
Speaker 6: bit more balance in their formations where.
1:06:57
Speaker 8: You want to get.
1:06:58
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously Jsn's going to be out there. The
1:07:00
Speaker 6: effectiveness of Cooper Cup, you know, is he you know,
1:07:04
Speaker 6: is at least as good as you was last year
1:07:07
Speaker 6: as he take another step back, that's going to determine
1:07:09
Speaker 6: your formations.
1:07:10
Speaker 3: A little bit.
1:07:11
Speaker 6: And and whether they can find a way to get
1:07:13
Speaker 6: Horton and Shaheed out there together and not be a
1:07:16
Speaker 6: redundant situation. I think that's gonna be a dependent that.
1:07:19
Speaker 6: That's one of the things that I'm really going to
1:07:21
Speaker 6: be interested in watching this team in training camp is
1:07:24
Speaker 6: what do the formations look like and how much are
1:07:27
Speaker 6: they going to lean on the on the running game?
1:07:29
Speaker 6: Got it to my first chance to watch Price yesterday,
1:07:33
Speaker 6: and uh, you know the thing I that that jumped
1:07:35
Speaker 6: out at me at first about him is he seems
1:07:38
Speaker 6: to be very comfortable in traffic. Uh, there were a
1:07:41
Speaker 6: lot running, a lot of things up the middle and
1:07:43
Speaker 6: where he just kind of he's kind of get there.
1:07:45
Speaker 6: He'd kind of slow down a little bit, he'd see
1:07:47
Speaker 6: a hole and he kind of bounce a little bit,
1:07:49
Speaker 6: and so you know where you know, you see those
1:07:50
Speaker 6: running backs sometimes they kind of disappear into the pile
1:07:53
Speaker 6: and then they and they pop out the other side.
1:07:55
Speaker 8: Now, obviously the running.
1:07:57
Speaker 6: Back is is probably the hardest position to evaluate in
1:08:01
Speaker 6: a non contact situation as there is. But you know,
1:08:05
Speaker 6: I was, at least at first glimpse, if you would
1:08:08
Speaker 6: have told me, hey, that guy right there, number eight,
1:08:10
Speaker 6: he was a first round draft pick and I just
1:08:13
Speaker 6: watched him yesterday for the first time in person, I
1:08:15
Speaker 6: could have been like, Okay, yeah, I can I mean,
1:08:18
Speaker 6: I wasn't like, Wow, that guy's unbelievable, but I was like, yeah,
1:08:22
Speaker 6: I can see how that guy was a first round
1:08:23
Speaker 6: draft pick.
1:08:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:08:25
Speaker 2: Dick fanus with us as we wrap up this episode
1:08:27
Speaker 2: of our Seahawks one series. Dick on Tory Horton, the
1:08:30
Speaker 2: wide receiver who made his debut with the team a
1:08:33
Speaker 2: year ago. Eight games, thirteen catches, five touchdowns, also returned
1:08:36
Speaker 2: to punt for a touchdown. Look very comfortable in that role.
1:08:39
Speaker 2: So scale from one to ten. I mean, how big
1:08:42
Speaker 2: a fan are you of your weapon of choice here today?
1:08:46
Speaker 2: How good do you think Tory Horton is and how
1:08:49
Speaker 2: good do you think that he could ultimately be as
1:08:51
Speaker 2: a Seahawk?
1:08:52
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think high end.
1:08:54
Speaker 6: I mean when you're just talking about potential, I'm like
1:08:58
Speaker 6: a seven and a half. I mean I think he could.
1:09:01
Speaker 6: I think he could be a legitimate if staying healthy.
1:09:03
Speaker 6: I don't think he's a number one in the NFL.
1:09:06
Speaker 6: I do think Tory Horton could be a legitimate number
1:09:09
Speaker 6: two wide receiver in the NFL. And if he stays healthy,
1:09:12
Speaker 6: I think I think he could be. I mean we've
1:09:15
Speaker 6: talked to Hugh for a long time about him. He
1:09:16
Speaker 6: is very high on Tory Horton. It's just a health right.
1:09:20
Speaker 6: And so if Tory Horton gets out of this injury mode,
1:09:25
Speaker 6: I don't know why down the road and mentioned already that.
1:09:29
Speaker 6: I mean he's twenty three years of age and it's
1:09:31
Speaker 6: going to be twenty three almost this entire season. So
1:09:34
Speaker 6: he's got like four years, four seasons of prime before
1:09:39
Speaker 6: you even start to think about he's going.
1:09:41
Speaker 8: To be heading the other way.
1:09:43
Speaker 6: I see, I don't see why he couldn't be a
1:09:45
Speaker 6: seventy catch, sixty five catch, nine hundred to one thousand
1:09:49
Speaker 6: yard receiver at some point during that four year stretch.
1:09:53
Speaker 6: It's not going to be this year, right, but it
1:09:56
Speaker 6: could be when Rashid Shaheed. Let's let's say Tory Horton
1:10:00
Speaker 6: explodes over the next couple of years and the Seahawks say, Okay, yeah,
1:10:03
Speaker 6: we we're not going to have a nineteen million dollar
1:10:06
Speaker 6: cap hits in twenty twenty eight for rashidza heat. We're
1:10:08
Speaker 6: going to cut him and then boom, Cooper Cup's gone
1:10:10
Speaker 6: at that time, Boom, all of a sudden, Tory Horten's
1:10:13
Speaker 6: your number two behind JSN.
1:10:15
Speaker 8: And I think Seahawks.
1:10:16
Speaker 6: Fans would be really happy about that if they saw
1:10:19
Speaker 6: the progression over the next couple of years.
1:10:20
Speaker 2: All right, man, great stuff, Thank you very much, We
1:10:23
Speaker 2: appreciate it. You got anything special plan for your little
1:10:26
Speaker 2: radio show today?
1:10:28
Speaker 4: Oh?
1:10:28
Speaker 8: You know, it's it's Wednesday.
1:10:30
Speaker 6: We've got Michael Florio today, we got pet tricks all
1:10:34
Speaker 6: day and yeah, Hey, buttole.
1:10:36
Speaker 8: Is exactly right.
1:10:37
Speaker 6: We got to talk to you know, not just the
1:10:39
Speaker 6: NFL news with Florio. We got to talk about the
1:10:41
Speaker 6: Brendan Soresby situation too. He's been writing a lot about that.
1:10:44
Speaker 6: That's been the topic dajure, So that means topic of
1:10:48
Speaker 6: the day for you.
1:10:49
Speaker 3: Thank you.
1:10:49
Speaker 8: It's French out there.
1:10:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, so we're at Yeah.
1:10:53
Speaker 8: I think I'll have that.
1:10:55
Speaker 6: So so carry on, ladies and gentlemen. I want to
1:10:59
Speaker 6: hear more of new gar Okay again, a lot better
1:11:02
Speaker 6: than old Garb.
1:11:03
Speaker 2: I was not a fan of old Garby. Yeah, I know,
1:11:05
Speaker 2: none of us were. Nobody really was, not, even Missgarf.
1:11:09
Speaker 2: All right, man, thank you, we appreciate you. We'll talk
1:11:12
Speaker 2: to you soon. Hey, guys, all right, Dick Thane joining
1:11:15
Speaker 2: us here for our Seahawks one series.
1:11:17
Speaker 3: Coming up next.
1:11:18
Speaker 2: We had a hunch you wanted to hear the baseball
1:11:21
Speaker 2: brunch today. I mean, there was a lot of wacky
1:11:23
Speaker 2: stuff that went on in Baltimore, Maryland last night. So
1:11:26
Speaker 2: a recap of last night's wackiness on KJR. All right,
1:11:41
Speaker 2: nine o'clock hour here on this humpday. Thanks to everyone
1:11:44
Speaker 2: that's participated in our little conversation about World Cup coverage yesterday,
1:11:49
Speaker 2: and now we get ready. We are one sleep away
1:11:51
Speaker 2: from the World Cup beginning twenty twenty six, and of
1:11:54
Speaker 2: course Seattle is going to be a major part of that.
1:11:57
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, KJR is going to be
1:11:59
Speaker 2: a major.
1:11:59
Speaker 3: Part of that.
1:12:00
Speaker 2: We will be airing the US Paraguay game Friday night
1:12:03
Speaker 2: at six o'clock right here at Sports Radio ninety three
1:12:06
Speaker 2: point three kJ R FM. Paraguay translated to guys, Okay, Yeah,
1:12:13
Speaker 2: like a pair of right Uruguay?
1:12:16
Speaker 3: I am assuming is then one? Why?
1:12:18
Speaker 9: Or just when you're calling someone, it's like the informal Uruguay, No,
1:12:23
Speaker 9: you're Aguay, something like something like that.
1:12:26
Speaker 2: But you will be hearing the next guest that we
1:12:29
Speaker 2: have on the air here on Chuck and Buck during
1:12:32
Speaker 2: our broadcast coverage as well. Former Sounders great eight nine
1:12:38
Speaker 2: years with the Seattle Sounders, Brad Evans now joins us
1:12:42
Speaker 2: here on the radio program in time for the World Cup.
1:12:45
Speaker 3: Good morning, sir, Good morning everybody. How are we doing.
1:12:49
Speaker 3: We're doing great?
1:12:50
Speaker 2: How excited are you for this tournament to get underway
1:12:53
Speaker 2: and for Seattle and yourself to have a part in
1:12:57
Speaker 2: the theater gosh.
1:12:59
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a long time coming.
1:13:01
Speaker 5: I mean I was nine years old in nineteen ninety
1:13:04
Speaker 5: four when the World Cup was last held in the
1:13:06
Speaker 5: us SO and I've missed out on a World Cup
1:13:09
Speaker 5: one of the last cuts for the twenty fourteen after
1:13:11
Speaker 5: doing all the World Cup qualifiers, so that was a
1:13:14
Speaker 5: bit heartbreaking to hear this one announced. It's finally my
1:13:18
Speaker 5: opportunity to experience what it's like to have a World
1:13:21
Speaker 5: Cup in your country and to attend it is most important,
1:13:24
Speaker 5: right this is a one cented generation tournament that's gonna
1:13:27
Speaker 5: be held here and I'm beyond excited. And to be
1:13:30
Speaker 5: involved obviously doing radio pre haf and post with you
1:13:34
Speaker 5: guys is going to be awesome. To come in every
1:13:36
Speaker 5: day and hopefully be in the stadium for one of
1:13:39
Speaker 5: the matches. So I'm just excited. The Sounders have a
1:13:42
Speaker 5: ton of activations with the pier and the barge, and
1:13:45
Speaker 5: we are working pretty much every day for the next
1:13:49
Speaker 5: month and a half really, so it's gonna be busy,
1:13:51
Speaker 5: but also it's gonna go by and the snap of
1:13:53
Speaker 5: a finger.
1:13:55
Speaker 2: I know of your wound, and I don't mean to
1:13:57
Speaker 2: pour salt into it, but I mean I do want
1:14:01
Speaker 2: to ask Brad Evans that as a soccer player and
1:14:04
Speaker 2: you're growing up in America and you, you know, you
1:14:06
Speaker 2: become a star at the high school level, and then
1:14:09
Speaker 2: you become a star at the college level, and then
1:14:11
Speaker 2: you play professionally, and then you're good enough that you
1:14:14
Speaker 2: represent the US and several different competitions and yet the
1:14:18
Speaker 2: biggest tournament in the world for you to have come
1:14:21
Speaker 2: so close to being able to play, and it's something
1:14:24
Speaker 2: I'm sure you dreamed about your entire life. How much
1:14:28
Speaker 2: does it sting to this day that you got that
1:14:31
Speaker 2: close and didn't get to participate.
1:14:35
Speaker 5: Jeez, you said you don't want to pour salt on
1:14:38
Speaker 5: the wound, and a one minute diatribe of pouring salt
1:14:43
Speaker 5: completely on the wound that happened ten years ago.
1:14:46
Speaker 2: I mean to do it, but I think it does.
1:14:49
Speaker 2: It's a I think it's an interesting story to.
1:14:53
Speaker 3: Tell right now, and I had to get it out
1:14:55
Speaker 3: of you some way, and.
1:14:58
Speaker 5: I think, yes, yes, it is a tough You go
1:15:00
Speaker 5: through your whole career and then you kind of get
1:15:02
Speaker 5: this opportunity. You know, my opportunity with the national team
1:15:05
Speaker 5: came from really nothing. I was kind of a fringe
1:15:08
Speaker 5: national team player. To start, I was on a on
1:15:10
Speaker 5: a basically a second team for the Gold Cup tournament
1:15:14
Speaker 5: in two thousand and nine, so I got my feet
1:15:15
Speaker 5: wet there, but I just kept putting my head down
1:15:18
Speaker 5: and plugging away. I was never the best player, never
1:15:20
Speaker 5: the most skillful, but my mo throughout my whole career
1:15:24
Speaker 5: and even as a youngster, was just I had to
1:15:25
Speaker 5: outwork everyone and determination on the field. And yes, you know,
1:15:30
Speaker 5: to see your your ultimate dream get cut short. At
1:15:33
Speaker 5: the moment, it didn't. It doesn't sting as bad as
1:15:36
Speaker 5: it does now, understanding when you leave the game that
1:15:38
Speaker 5: you left something on the table. You know, in the moment,
1:15:41
Speaker 5: you still you know, you jump on the flight and
1:15:43
Speaker 5: then you go back to the Sounders and you've got
1:15:45
Speaker 5: a game the next weekend, so there's not too much
1:15:47
Speaker 5: time to dwell on those big moments at the time.
1:15:51
Speaker 3: But now you look back and you realize, wow.
1:15:53
Speaker 5: It would have been great to, you know, tell the
1:15:54
Speaker 5: kids one day that I participated in a World Cup. Yes,
1:15:57
Speaker 5: it would have been amazing, But that's that's the reality
1:16:00
Speaker 5: of sports. Like you said, it's the percentage of the
1:16:02
Speaker 5: percentage of the percentage of the percentage is so small.
1:16:05
Speaker 5: It's when I played, it was twenty three guys on
1:16:08
Speaker 5: a roster out of you know, three hundred plus million
1:16:10
Speaker 5: in this country. You know, however many million play soccer,
1:16:13
Speaker 5: you know, growing up, and then you kind of narrow
1:16:15
Speaker 5: those numbers down. So it's it's a really big opportunity
1:16:18
Speaker 5: for anyone in any place around the world. But you
1:16:22
Speaker 5: learn a lot of lessons through through those defeats, I
1:16:25
Speaker 5: guess you could call them and so it really allowed
1:16:27
Speaker 5: me to put my head down and work hard. After that,
1:16:29
Speaker 5: I did get called back into the national team quite
1:16:32
Speaker 5: a few times to play in games, so my national
1:16:35
Speaker 5: team career wasn't done at that point. It was really
1:16:38
Speaker 5: just the missed opportunity of making a World Cup roster.
1:16:42
Speaker 3: How have you tended to deal with people that remind
1:16:44
Speaker 3: you of this painful thing? Yeah, I just kind of
1:16:47
Speaker 3: avoid them at all costs.
1:16:50
Speaker 2: Hang up, never go on their radio shows again ever,
1:16:55
Speaker 2: and you know.
1:16:56
Speaker 3: Tackle slide tackle them, slide tackle there.
1:16:59
Speaker 4: You go.
1:17:00
Speaker 3: Better be wear in your shing guards when I see
1:17:02
Speaker 3: you next week.
1:17:03
Speaker 2: Brad Evans is with us. I threw a lot of
1:17:05
Speaker 2: compliments in there all time. One of the all time
1:17:09
Speaker 2: sounders great joining US that right here, it's going to
1:17:11
Speaker 2: be a part of our World Cup coverage for you
1:17:14
Speaker 2: as well on Sports Radio ninety three point three KHRFM.
1:17:17
Speaker 2: All right, So how important I mean we talk about
1:17:20
Speaker 2: this all the time, and they've talked about this my
1:17:23
Speaker 2: entire life. The US needing to take that step forward
1:17:27
Speaker 2: to start being mentioned amongst the great countries in the
1:17:30
Speaker 2: world at this sport. So how important is this tournament
1:17:35
Speaker 2: to the US reputation and the growth of its program.
1:17:40
Speaker 3: Well, look, I think the US has taken leaps and bounds.
1:17:43
Speaker 5: There is an awesome vice documentary on YouTube that's a
1:17:46
Speaker 5: series that kind of talks about the US men's national
1:17:49
Speaker 5: team and it's come up, you know since the forties fifties,
1:17:53
Speaker 5: first participating in this tournament that started in nineteen thirty.
1:17:57
Speaker 5: The real shift was, you know, nineteen ninety four you
1:18:02
Speaker 5: kind of got the buzz going in the US and
1:18:04
Speaker 5: then MLS comes around in nineteen ninety six, and if
1:18:06
Speaker 5: you think about the rest of the world, what a
1:18:08
Speaker 5: head start they've had with their domestic leagues consistently for
1:18:12
Speaker 5: over one hundred years. Right, you talk about the powerhouses Brazil, England, Spain, France,
1:18:17
Speaker 5: These clubs have been around since the eighteen hundreds and
1:18:20
Speaker 5: consistently not taking breaks. Like in the US you had
1:18:23
Speaker 5: the NASL, you've had a league, you've had USL, and
1:18:26
Speaker 5: now Major League Soccers had a good run for thirty years.
1:18:30
Speaker 3: That's the biggest thing.
1:18:31
Speaker 5: And when you look at this roster, there's only eight
1:18:33
Speaker 5: players that are domestically from MLS that are playing on
1:18:36
Speaker 5: this roster. The rest are playing at the biggest teams
1:18:39
Speaker 5: in the world. You've got AC Milan, Juventus. I mean,
1:18:41
Speaker 5: you run down the list of guys playing in France
1:18:44
Speaker 5: as well, some big, big teams.
1:18:46
Speaker 3: So you're starting to see a shift, albeit slow.
1:18:50
Speaker 5: Now that doesn't mean that the rest of the world
1:18:52
Speaker 5: has just taken a pause, right, Those players have gotten
1:18:55
Speaker 5: better as well. So we're still playing catch up in
1:18:57
Speaker 5: that respect. And now it's time for this group to
1:18:59
Speaker 5: put it all together. With players that, like I said,
1:19:02
Speaker 5: are playing in some of the best teams in the world.
1:19:04
Speaker 3: Can they do it as a team. That's going to
1:19:06
Speaker 3: be the biggest thing.
1:19:07
Speaker 5: I think when I look at this team that there's
1:19:11
Speaker 5: a lot of fantastic individual players. Ziggi Schmidt used to
1:19:15
Speaker 5: always tell us. Former coach of the sounders. You can
1:19:18
Speaker 5: have one piano player, but the rest of us have
1:19:20
Speaker 5: to carry the piano and I don't know if I
1:19:23
Speaker 5: see that in this group. I see a lot of
1:19:25
Speaker 5: piano players, and when that happens, things don't tend to
1:19:28
Speaker 5: work out too great. If they can figure out a
1:19:30
Speaker 5: way to have one guy be the center point and
1:19:32
Speaker 5: the rest of them do the work. That's what Argentina
1:19:35
Speaker 5: does with Messi, That's what Portugal will do with Ronaldo.
1:19:39
Speaker 3: That's why those guys are the best.
1:19:41
Speaker 5: But this US men's national team needs to figure out
1:19:43
Speaker 5: a way to have one guy shine and the rest
1:19:45
Speaker 5: of them do the work to advance. Who's the Tournament's
1:19:48
Speaker 5: a little bit different though, Christian polistic I think it
1:19:51
Speaker 5: is the guy okay, right, he's the golden boy, and
1:19:54
Speaker 5: if he can have a great tournament, he's going to
1:19:56
Speaker 5: carry this team. Much like Landon, Donovan and Clint did.
1:19:59
Speaker 5: They found a way to play together. So the tournament's
1:20:02
Speaker 5: a little bit different though. You've got you've got forty
1:20:04
Speaker 5: eight teams instead of thirty two, so you will have
1:20:06
Speaker 5: eight third place teams that advance. So the chances of
1:20:10
Speaker 5: the US advancing are pretty high. I suspect they'll get
1:20:13
Speaker 5: at least three points in the group. That'll that'll mean
1:20:16
Speaker 5: most most certainly that they advance into the next round.
1:20:19
Speaker 5: That's when the real challenge starts, because if you're third
1:20:21
Speaker 5: place finisher, if you're you're gonna end up playing a
1:20:24
Speaker 5: first or second place team from another group.
1:20:26
Speaker 3: That's gonna be the difficult task. Got to pick up
1:20:29
Speaker 3: points in group play.
1:20:30
Speaker 2: Brad Evans is whether, so, what do we know about
1:20:33
Speaker 2: Paraguay going into Friday.
1:20:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Paraguay is a strong team.
1:20:38
Speaker 5: You figure when you talk about South America, you talk
1:20:42
Speaker 5: about some of the best teams in the world consistently,
1:20:44
Speaker 5: I mean the top three from South America, Columbia, Argentina
1:20:47
Speaker 5: and Brazil. All those teams have a chance to win
1:20:51
Speaker 5: this tournament. And now you're talking about a Paraguay team
1:20:54
Speaker 5: that had to go through that qualification with those teams
1:20:57
Speaker 5: and get results, which they did. I mean, you've got
1:21:00
Speaker 5: an MLS player Miguel elmi Ron who played in the
1:21:02
Speaker 5: English Premier League. You kind of run down the list
1:21:05
Speaker 5: of what is going to be a very technical but
1:21:08
Speaker 5: a very intense team. The last time these teams face
1:21:12
Speaker 5: there was a massive brawl at the end the US
1:21:14
Speaker 5: ended up winning two to one, so there's a little
1:21:16
Speaker 5: bit of tension in this game stemming from that one
1:21:19
Speaker 5: about a year ago. It's going to be a difficult
1:21:22
Speaker 5: challenge for the US because these South American teams, they
1:21:25
Speaker 5: consistently play in their big tournaments every two years. They've
1:21:31
Speaker 5: got Copa Sudamericana, which all those players played domestically in
1:21:34
Speaker 5: massive games down there. So when they come together, there's
1:21:37
Speaker 5: something different about putting on a jersey in a World Cup.
1:21:40
Speaker 3: I expect a low scoring game, and I don't usually
1:21:45
Speaker 3: make predictions.
1:21:46
Speaker 5: I don't like to, but I think US, being on
1:21:49
Speaker 5: home soil in Los Angeles, I'm guessing two to one,
1:21:53
Speaker 5: just to get off on a good foot, it'll be
1:21:54
Speaker 5: huge for them to get three points.
1:21:57
Speaker 2: Longtime sounders, Great Brad Evans, our guests here as we
1:21:59
Speaker 2: get you ready for the World Cup where one sleep away.
1:22:01
Speaker 2: It gets started tomorrow Friday night, US has taken on
1:22:05
Speaker 2: Paraguay and Brad Evans is going to be part of
1:22:07
Speaker 2: our broadcast month here in coverage of the World Cup
1:22:11
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, which we'll touch of course Seattle throughout
1:22:16
Speaker 2: the month as well.
1:22:18
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not as.
1:22:20
Speaker 2: Big a soccer fan, Brad as I am as some
1:22:22
Speaker 2: of the other sports, and so I don't know.
1:22:26
Speaker 3: I mean I always hear about soccer.
1:22:28
Speaker 2: That that was a big upset, But when you're talking
1:22:31
Speaker 2: about a sport where usually the scores two to one,
1:22:34
Speaker 2: one to nothing, I mean it's usually within a goal.
1:22:38
Speaker 2: I mean, how big of an upset would it be
1:22:41
Speaker 2: if the US were to not get out of their group,
1:22:45
Speaker 2: or if the US made a deep run into the playoffs.
1:22:49
Speaker 2: I mean, what's the fine line between something that's in
1:22:55
Speaker 2: soccer that is expected and something that is shocking.
1:22:59
Speaker 5: Yeahat point, I think the more shocking point of or
1:23:03
Speaker 5: storyline would be the USA not advancing out of the group.
1:23:07
Speaker 5: I think it's more realistic for these guys to make
1:23:09
Speaker 5: a decent run in this tournament.
1:23:11
Speaker 3: It would be a success.
1:23:13
Speaker 5: I think if the team makes the quarterfinals, I think
1:23:15
Speaker 5: you could realistically look at the FIFA rankings, we sit
1:23:19
Speaker 5: like seventeen, So if you're thinking quarterfinals, that's the top
1:23:21
Speaker 5: sixteen teams. You're kind of right on par with where
1:23:25
Speaker 5: your ranking is in the world. Now, if they advance
1:23:27
Speaker 5: past that, you know it's possible. For sure, they're going
1:23:30
Speaker 5: to have to show up and show out and play
1:23:32
Speaker 5: out of their minds. But I think realistically making it
1:23:37
Speaker 5: out of the group isn't good enough for this team
1:23:41
Speaker 5: and the occasion. Now, if this tournament was being played
1:23:43
Speaker 5: somewhere else, I would think making out of the group
1:23:46
Speaker 5: would be a plus.
1:23:47
Speaker 3: But these guys have higher standards.
1:23:49
Speaker 5: The head coach Putchettino's coach some of the biggest teams
1:23:52
Speaker 5: in the world at the club level. His expectation is
1:23:55
Speaker 5: that he can take this team on a deep run,
1:23:56
Speaker 5: and he's a real thinker. He's not like a Jurgen Klinsmann,
1:24:01
Speaker 5: a prior coach who was just jovial and happy and
1:24:04
Speaker 5: not really a tactician. This new head coach is a
1:24:07
Speaker 5: pure tactician and hopefully he can get this US team
1:24:11
Speaker 5: on the same page. But since the US is at home,
1:24:14
Speaker 5: the expectations are much much higher. It would be a
1:24:17
Speaker 5: massive disappointment and people would say, oh, yeah, this is
1:24:20
Speaker 5: typical the US. They get knocked out of the round.
1:24:24
Speaker 5: They didn't rise to the big occasion. We need to
1:24:27
Speaker 5: have something happen like two thousand and two where the
1:24:30
Speaker 5: US turned some heads and really, you know, you beat
1:24:33
Speaker 5: Portugal South Korea and then you make it to a
1:24:35
Speaker 5: game against Germany where they didn't have var at the time,
1:24:38
Speaker 5: but what would have been a USA goal to find
1:24:41
Speaker 5: themselves in the round of eight. That is the expectation
1:24:45
Speaker 5: for this tournament and this group. Now there's a lot
1:24:47
Speaker 5: of pressure with that the whole country hosting. There's going
1:24:51
Speaker 5: to be an intense amount of pressure on these guys,
1:24:54
Speaker 5: but they're used to it. Like I said, they're playing
1:24:55
Speaker 5: in some of the biggest teams in the world where
1:24:57
Speaker 5: there's probably even more pressure on a weekly basis all
1:25:00
Speaker 5: year long.
1:25:01
Speaker 3: With those teams, it's it's now up to them.
1:25:03
Speaker 5: And you know, when the draw came out, everyone was clapping,
1:25:07
Speaker 5: Oh it's Australia, Paraguay, Turkey. But the flip side of
1:25:11
Speaker 5: that is all those teams are thinking the same thing
1:25:14
Speaker 5: about playing the USA. I don't think any of the
1:25:16
Speaker 5: other teams in the group are saying, oh, that's a
1:25:18
Speaker 5: that's a potential world champion. Everyone else is thinking I
1:25:22
Speaker 5: can beat that team. And so this group is gonna
1:25:24
Speaker 5: be really interesting to watch because I do think that
1:25:27
Speaker 5: they everyone has a realistic chance of picking up points.
1:25:30
Speaker 5: It's gonna be you know, who gives up the least
1:25:33
Speaker 5: amount of mistakes in the game, Like you said, two
1:25:34
Speaker 5: to one, one nil could be a goal, a pk
1:25:38
Speaker 5: and then it becomes a chess match after that, just
1:25:40
Speaker 5: to survive to get through to the next round.
1:25:43
Speaker 3: Who has the best team in the world in your opinion.
1:25:47
Speaker 5: On paper, I think it's France. They really do, and
1:25:51
Speaker 5: and they've they've showed that consistently. They're you know, they're
1:25:53
Speaker 5: ranking is number one, but then you know every now
1:25:57
Speaker 5: and then it'll it'll fluctuate. It's Argentina at certain point,
1:26:00
Speaker 5: and when you have Messi on the field, anything can happen.
1:26:04
Speaker 5: I think Spain has has shown that they can play
1:26:08
Speaker 5: like no other team.
1:26:09
Speaker 3: In the worlds there's a reason why.
1:26:11
Speaker 5: Spanish football has looked at as the pinnacle. Barcelona, Real Madrid,
1:26:15
Speaker 5: Athletico Madrid, the best teams in the world right there
1:26:18
Speaker 5: in one league. I don't know if one of those
1:26:24
Speaker 5: teams truly will win it. It could be a dark
1:26:26
Speaker 5: horse tournament because there are forty eight teams. But at
1:26:30
Speaker 5: the end of the day, there's a reason why the
1:26:32
Speaker 5: best players on France, Spain, Brazil has an incredible chance
1:26:36
Speaker 5: to win this. Argentina, there's a reason why all those
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Speaker 5: players play at the best teams in the world's because
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Speaker 5: they have a realistic chance at winning this tournament.
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Speaker 2: In our last minute. You know Soccer, you know Seattle,
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Speaker 2: you know them both very very very well. How do
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Speaker 2: you think we're gonna do as a host here for
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Speaker 2: the World Cup? What's the next couple of weeks? We ask,
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Speaker 2: next few weeks gonna be like here?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, I think Seattle will blow it out of
1:27:01
Speaker 5: the water. You've got soccer hotbeds all throughout this country,
1:27:04
Speaker 5: and when it comes to international soccer, you've got Boston,
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Speaker 5: New York, Chicago who have real international mixes on a
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Speaker 5: massive scale. Right, We're talking ten million people in such
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Speaker 5: a small vicinity that is supercultural, multicultural, and then you
1:27:19
Speaker 5: come over here to the Pacific Northwest, it's a little
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Speaker 5: that with our fan base. The Rain have shown that
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Speaker 5: where it will be realistically cool, right, the rest of
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Speaker 5: the country is going to be sweltering hot. Right, It's
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Speaker 5: just a fantastic opportunity to show up, show out and
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, great having you on. I hope you've forgiven
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Speaker 2: forward to your coverage and hopefully we can we can
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Speaker 2: looking forward to hearing you from you here on KJAR.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it, guys. Thank you all right.
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Speaker 2: Brad Evans former Sounders, great joining us right here and
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Speaker 2: he'll be doing pre and post and intermission and everything
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Speaker 2: I know we don't normally do it at nine point thirty,
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Speaker 2: but we're looking for your questions. You can ask Ashley
1:29:34
Speaker 2: a question myself. A question would be about sports, it
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Speaker 3: Whatever you want to do.
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Speaker 2: Four nine four five to one, but your question must
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Speaker 2: start with SUP, as in what's up, and then direct
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Speaker 2: it's at the person that you want to answer the question.
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Speaker 2: If it's both of us, then it's both of us.
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Speaker 2: four nine four five one Sports Radio ninety three point
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Speaker 2: five one. You take control of the programming here four
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Speaker 2: nine four five to one, Sup, as in what's up?
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Speaker 3: What's up Ashley? What's going on with blot dot dot
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Speaker 3: dot dot. So that's the way it works, So we
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Speaker 3: don't normally do it here at nine thirty.
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Speaker 2: So I figured I owe you to explanation here as
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Speaker 2: to what's coming your way. What do we have then,
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Speaker 2: in terms of questions.
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Speaker 9: We've got this one from the two five to three, Sup, Chuck.
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Speaker 9: I don't think Walter Jones would do against Aaron, Aaron
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Speaker 9: Donald or Miles Garrett, all in their prime.
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Speaker 3: Right now, not too well. Walter's a little far removed
1:30:43
Speaker 3: from the game.
1:30:45
Speaker 2: I mean, I think, let's put it this way, as
1:30:49
Speaker 2: well as anyone that's ever played the game.
1:30:54
Speaker 3: I think he could handle Miles Garrett for sure.
1:30:56
Speaker 7: For sure.
1:30:57
Speaker 2: I mean, the greatest left tackle arguably against arguably the
1:31:01
Speaker 2: greatest right defensive end. Yeah, I think Miles Garrett would
1:31:05
Speaker 2: beat him on occasion, but most of the time, I
1:31:07
Speaker 2: think Walter Jones wins that.
1:31:09
Speaker 3: I mean, think about it.
1:31:10
Speaker 2: I mean even when a record setting number of sacks
1:31:14
Speaker 2: is twenty three over sixteen games, so that's just a
1:31:18
Speaker 2: little over or seventeen games, that's like one in a
1:31:21
Speaker 2: third sacks a game. So most of the time Miles
1:31:24
Speaker 2: Garrett gets beat by the left back. And so if
1:31:28
Speaker 2: you have the greatest of all time, yeah, I think
1:31:30
Speaker 2: Walter Jones. I mean he's not gonna stop him every
1:31:34
Speaker 2: single time, but he's going to do a better job
1:31:37
Speaker 2: than just about anyone that's ever played.
1:31:40
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair.
1:31:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Walter in seventeen games Garrett against Walter Jones,
1:31:46
Speaker 2: if they played seventeen times against one another, I promise
1:31:49
Speaker 2: you Miles Garrett would not get a record number of sacks,
1:31:52
Speaker 2: probably be around eight eight.
1:31:57
Speaker 7: Yeah, that would be a decent Okay, yeah, you do well.
1:32:00
Speaker 3: Give him nine, which is more than most people got again.
1:32:03
Speaker 9: Right, yeah, let's see, uh sup, Chuck from the two
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Speaker 9: five to three, what is the biggest rift you've ever
1:32:09
Speaker 9: had with somebody at a station and has it ever
1:32:11
Speaker 9: come to.
1:32:12
Speaker 2: Blow, never has come to blows. I probably it was
1:32:17
Speaker 2: probably you know, I said I'd be honest about it.
1:32:20
Speaker 2: Probably the time with Bucky.
1:32:21
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
1:32:25
Speaker 2: We got into a disagreement with something one time and
1:32:29
Speaker 2: he kind of because Bucky's very large and can be intimidating,
1:32:34
Speaker 2: and he kind of like stared me down and I
1:32:37
Speaker 2: went off like a Roman candle, but you're not going.
1:32:41
Speaker 3: To do that to me in the workplace. Uh, And
1:32:44
Speaker 3: he did not like that. But we ended up, I think,
1:32:48
Speaker 3: in a better place. But it's always there, It's always
1:32:50
Speaker 3: in the back of our heads. So that was probably
1:32:52
Speaker 3: the biggest rift that we ever had.
1:32:55
Speaker 9: Well, as Purple Sheet says, I mean, if everybody got along,
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Speaker 9: this would be a boring workplace with.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah got along.
1:33:00
Speaker 2: Well yeah, So I didn't like him like trying to
1:33:03
Speaker 2: like intimidate me physically, and then he didn't like that.
1:33:08
Speaker 3: Some of the words that I use.
1:33:09
Speaker 9: Okay, that's fair. Well, you brought up Bucky. So we've
1:33:12
Speaker 9: gotten a lot of Bucky questions. We've got to Chuck
1:33:15
Speaker 9: and Ashley, where's Bucky? Can we get an update on Bucky?
1:33:18
Speaker 9: We miss him? And what's up with Bucky? Participating in
1:33:21
Speaker 9: a home run derby but not showing up for the trees. Well, no,
1:33:24
Speaker 9: he's on medical leave. It's not that he's just not
1:33:26
Speaker 9: showing up for work.
1:33:27
Speaker 3: Right right, I don't know.
1:33:31
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad it was asked that way, because,
1:33:35
Speaker 2: believe it or not, people are like angry with Ashley
1:33:38
Speaker 2: and I, Yeah, like we have anything to do with this.
1:33:42
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:33:42
Speaker 2: And secondly, you do have to understand there are laws
1:33:45
Speaker 2: that govern this there with him being on medical leave,
1:33:49
Speaker 2: it means he can't really contact us, and we can't
1:33:52
Speaker 2: really contact him because it would be seen as us
1:33:57
Speaker 2: pressuring him. Even if we were just hey, we missed you,
1:34:00
Speaker 2: come back, it would be view it could be viewed
1:34:03
Speaker 2: as pressuring him to return to work when he has
1:34:06
Speaker 2: medical stuff, and that's the reason that he's on leave.
1:34:09
Speaker 3: So he got an.
1:34:10
Speaker 2: Additional extension, so we weren't expecting it to take place.
1:34:15
Speaker 2: From what we understand, it's nothing to be concerned about.
1:34:19
Speaker 2: But obviously there are issues enough that he needed another
1:34:23
Speaker 2: extension to the medical leave. So we don't have really
1:34:27
Speaker 2: any information and we don't have any control over it whatsoever,
1:34:31
Speaker 2: and we really can't do anything about it until he's
1:34:35
Speaker 2: off medical leaves, and we have no idea when that
1:34:37
Speaker 2: will be, and we don't know when that's.
1:34:38
Speaker 3: Going to be.
1:34:39
Speaker 2: So that's just where we are. You know what, since
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Speaker 2: it's been brought up, You know how they do things
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Speaker 2: here when somebody's gone, we're not allowed to talk about
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Speaker 2: him at all, right, So the fact that we keep
1:34:49
Speaker 2: bringing him up every show should show you this is
1:34:52
Speaker 2: not one of those scenarios for those of you that
1:34:55
Speaker 2: are accusing us of.
1:34:56
Speaker 9: That, Yes, of lying and thinking covering things up, and
1:34:59
Speaker 9: his answers to running on the station just so you know, Yeah, his.
1:35:02
Speaker 3: Ads are still running.
1:35:03
Speaker 2: So I mean, there's a plenty of evidence that suggests
1:35:05
Speaker 2: that this. You know, we're being forthright with you about
1:35:09
Speaker 2: all of this. But yes, he's been out for an
1:35:10
Speaker 2: extended period of time and we don't know when he's
1:35:13
Speaker 2: going to be back, and I really don't even know
1:35:15
Speaker 2: the severity to his reasons for not being here. So
1:35:21
Speaker 2: we'll find out eventually, and as soon as we have
1:35:23
Speaker 2: any information, we'll pass it along to you.
1:35:25
Speaker 9: There you go, Yeah, let's see sup with both of you.
1:35:29
Speaker 9: When you listen to other shows, do you listen for
1:35:31
Speaker 9: content or are you listening for like radio technical prowess.
1:35:35
Speaker 3: Oh, I looks for them to screw up so I
1:35:37
Speaker 3: can hold it over their heads.
1:35:39
Speaker 9: I listened, like in the morning's on my drive and
1:35:41
Speaker 9: I listen so I can argue with them or be like,
1:35:44
Speaker 9: oh that's a good point. Oh, come on, you idiots,
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Speaker 9: Like no, that's not you know, like I have my
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Speaker 9: own conversation with them back and forth. When I listen
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Speaker 9: to music stuff, I'm listening like, oh, well they did
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Speaker 9: that well, or they didn't do that well. How do
1:35:55
Speaker 9: I how could I use that?
1:35:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's strange because I did not. I have not
1:36:00
Speaker 2: always done sports talk radio. I got away from it.
1:36:04
Speaker 2: I did comedy radio, music radio for a good chunk
1:36:09
Speaker 2: of my career, and then I came back to sports
1:36:12
Speaker 2: at the tail end.
1:36:14
Speaker 3: And so.
1:36:16
Speaker 2: When I was not a sports talk show host, I
1:36:19
Speaker 2: would still listen. I would listen to sports talk radio,
1:36:22
Speaker 2: as you know, and I would get more angry then, Like,
1:36:27
Speaker 2: you're right, when you are in the business, you're just
1:36:30
Speaker 2: sort of listening so that you didn't miss anything.
1:36:33
Speaker 7: Yeah, make sure you're caught up on everything.
1:36:35
Speaker 3: You're supporting your teammates.
1:36:37
Speaker 2: You want to hear how they're doing and how they
1:36:39
Speaker 2: handled said subject and then you also listened for Oh,
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Speaker 2: I didn't think of that angle. Either I need to
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Speaker 2: have an opinion on that angle or I need to
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Speaker 2: either acknowledge it or counter it the next day, something
1:36:56
Speaker 2: like that. And so yes, you kind of do use
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Speaker 2: it as a scouting report, if you will, for your
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Speaker 2: own show, and what you should be talking about the
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Speaker 2: next time that you cracked the mics. And so those
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Speaker 2: three things I would say combined. But I'll tell you though,
1:37:11
Speaker 2: when I was in the car as a funny morning DJ,
1:37:17
Speaker 2: you know, morning Zoo kind of guy who was just
1:37:21
Speaker 2: trying to push the envelope all the time with edgy comedy,
1:37:26
Speaker 2: and then I'd get in the car and I listen
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Speaker 2: as just a listener of sports talk radio. Man, for
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Speaker 2: some reason, I yelled a lot more at the car back,
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Speaker 2: did you idiot? What are you talking about?
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Speaker 1: It?
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Speaker 7: Moron?
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Speaker 9: Just probably help people listen to us. Oh, I'm sure
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Speaker 9: from the two O six up, Chuck. There's always a
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Speaker 9: lot of debate about the best baseball movie of all time?
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Speaker 7: But in your opinion, what is the worst baseball movie
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Speaker 7: all time?
1:37:49
Speaker 3: Worst baseball movie?
1:37:51
Speaker 7: I mean, mister, baseball wasn't great, it wasn't bad.
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Speaker 3: I didn't mind that one so much.
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Speaker 9: I would never put it in the best category though,
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Speaker 9: that's the only one I could really think of.
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Speaker 3: It might be man.
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Speaker 2: I immediately thought the question was going to be what's
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Speaker 2: my favorite? What do I think is the best? And
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Speaker 2: that's Bull Durham, So I can say that the worst
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Speaker 2: baseball movie of all time? Oh boy, I guess base
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Speaker 2: What was the one with Napoleon Dynamite and David Spade?
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Speaker 3: Bench warmersh bench warmers, the bench warms.
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Speaker 2: Not that I watched it from beginning to win, but
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Speaker 2: I saw enough of it that I'm like, I can't
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Speaker 2: take this.
1:38:25
Speaker 7: Wasn't it was basketball about basketball or baseball.
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Speaker 2: And basketball was actually kind of funny. I wasn't, but
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Speaker 2: that's from the South Park guys. Yeah it was. It
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Speaker 2: was combining the two. It was, yeah, we're gonna invent
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Speaker 2: a sport that combines baseball and basketball?
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Speaker 3: Got it?
1:38:39
Speaker 1: Yeah?
1:38:39
Speaker 2: So it was basketball then they were the Beers I
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Speaker 2: remember correctly. That wasn't terrible. I mean it was, you know,
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Speaker 2: it was one of those like were there are ten
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Speaker 2: fifteen really big laughs, and but for the most part
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Speaker 2: it swung and missed more than it hit.
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Speaker 9: Okay, Yeah, and let's see, I'm gonna grab one more here, gosh.
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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of good baseball movies. I'll say
1:39:04
Speaker 2: baseball and boxing do the best job of making movies.
1:39:07
Speaker 9: Yeah, I like baseball movies the best in football movies,
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Speaker 9: there's a lot of good football movies from the two
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Speaker 9: five three except Ashley and Chuck. How come you guys
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Speaker 9: don't do cross talk like the other shows? Do you
1:39:16
Speaker 9: just figure you have too much to cover with the
1:39:18
Speaker 9: time you have.
1:39:19
Speaker 3: You know what that started with.
1:39:24
Speaker 2: When I went to mornings, Puck said he didn't want
1:39:28
Speaker 2: to do it, he didn't really like doing it, and
1:39:31
Speaker 2: so I'm like, well, I'm not going to force you
1:39:34
Speaker 2: to do it for sure, And then we created one
1:39:37
Speaker 2: last thing, and then one last thing I enjoy. I
1:39:41
Speaker 2: think that's a great way to close out every show.
1:39:44
Speaker 2: So there was talk about maybe bringing it to our show,
1:39:48
Speaker 2: and I just told our boss, I like, one last thing,
1:39:53
Speaker 2: I don't want to do anything.
1:39:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to do cross talk.
1:39:55
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's our little moment to all have something to
1:39:58
Speaker 7: end on.
1:39:59
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:39:59
Speaker 2: So so that was sort of it. It wasn't I
1:40:02
Speaker 2: didn't do it with Mitch. By the way, when I
1:40:05
Speaker 2: was doing middays. Mitch didn't have me on, so I
1:40:07
Speaker 2: didn't think it was part of the show. It got suggested.
1:40:11
Speaker 2: Puck told me. That was one of the first things
1:40:12
Speaker 2: he said, like, hey, I don't want to do cross talk,
1:40:14
Speaker 2: so if you don't, you don't want to do it either.
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Speaker 2: Let's just not do it. He wanted to prepare for
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Speaker 2: his show. I wanted to use the last fifteen minutes
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Speaker 2: prepare for his show. So we never did it. So
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Speaker 2: it never started. And then when conversations began about maybe
1:40:25
Speaker 2: we should do it, I'm like, no, I like one
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Speaker 2: last thing to close the show.
1:40:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to stick with it.
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Speaker 7: Love it, that's it.
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Speaker 3: So coming up next
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Speaker 2: Cross Talk on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.