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#2172 How to Increase Your Health Span - Dr. Cam McDonald · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's Harps, it's doctor Cam, it's
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Speaker 1: a bloody project.
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Speaker 2: That's you.
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Speaker 1: It's a Monday in the thrive in metropolis. Again it's
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Speaker 1: thirteen thirty. As I look at my clock on my phone,
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Speaker 1: it's also thirteen thirty in the Sunshine State. But unlike
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Speaker 1: the Sunshine State in thriving metropolis of Hampton, where I
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Speaker 1: look out the window of my office at the bamboo
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Speaker 1: which is wet and seemingly happy. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: trees can look happy, but my bamboo looks happy because
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Speaker 1: it's wet and bamboo loves water. What's the temp up there?
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Speaker 2: Mate? What's the weather up there? I were a sunny
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Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty four, nice and dry. I was out
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Speaker 2: on the bike this morning in my T shirt and
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Speaker 2: shorts at six am, and it was a was a dream.
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Speaker 2: You're not part of the like Crossett, I'm not. I'm
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Speaker 2: in strong denial. I wear my normal running shorts and
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Speaker 2: any kind of T shirt I can find, and I
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Speaker 2: don't have cleats. I've got barefoot shoes. And there is
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Speaker 2: nothing more pleasing than passing a licrad person on a
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Speaker 2: hill with my board shorts on. There is nothing quite
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Speaker 2: as satisfying as that.
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Speaker 1: What's that acronym? Is it mammal something? Middle aged male
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Speaker 1: in Lycra. Yeah, middle aged male in Lycra. That's like,
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Speaker 1: that's a very big society where I live.
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Speaker 2: That's a very big group.
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Speaker 1: And God bless the boys they're out there doing it.
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Speaker 1: I shouldn't know what they are. But every morning, or
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Speaker 1: most mornings, where I have my coffee, there's a flatilla.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the what is it called a pack?
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Speaker 1: There's a pack of them that come in and they
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Speaker 1: wear all orange with a little bit of blue, and
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Speaker 1: they just they just all roll up at the same
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Speaker 1: time on their sixteen thousand dollars fucking pushbikes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah that's what? What? What? How? Oh? Yeah? But it weighs.
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Speaker 2: It weighs as much as a Mars bar. Though I'm like,
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Speaker 2: oh okay, it's easier to get up the hill. That's
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Speaker 2: why I'm on My one hundred and eighty dollars Facebook
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Speaker 2: Marketplace purchase included a wind trainer. It squeaks and squawks
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Speaker 2: the whole way, but I feel like the heavier it is,
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Speaker 2: even if the break is just attached to to the
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Speaker 2: wheel a little bit, I'm getting more work out of it.
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Speaker 2: You know, people don't think totally I've said that for years.
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Speaker 2: I totally agree.
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Speaker 1: The more inefficient your bike is, the less fancy, the
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Speaker 1: less smooth, the less oiled, the harder you got to work,
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Speaker 1: the better, the better the benefit. Like you're literally working
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Speaker 1: harder than the bloke next to you. So if you're
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Speaker 1: riding one hundred and eighty dollars bike and there's a
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Speaker 1: cam next to you, identical to you physically in this
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Speaker 1: metaphoric story, and he's riding his sixteen thousand dollars titanium,
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Speaker 1: you butt special and you're riding yours alongside him. You're
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Speaker 1: getting more strength, more muscular endurance, better aerobic challenge, and
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Speaker 1: you're working harder. You're going to get more physical benefits.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, if you ever moved to Melbourne, we'll start
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Speaker 1: a cycling group for blokes with bikes worth less than
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Speaker 1: two hundred bucks.
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Speaker 2: And you've also got to wear You've got to wear.
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Speaker 1: A shit that's going to catch the wind, you know,
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Speaker 1: like T shirts, like a jacket like me, cargo shorts,
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Speaker 1: anything that's from a drag coefficient point of view, not efficient, Yes,
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Speaker 1: that's what.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, maybe even a little fuck looking good. Nice
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Speaker 2: flat sign on the front of the bike advertising a charity,
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Speaker 2: you know, something to really really bust it up. Yeah
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Speaker 2: that's good. Yeah, yeah, not at all tilted, so it
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Speaker 2: just gets all the wind a little bit over the front,
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Speaker 2: just to catch it all there. Yeah, basically a wind catcher.
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Speaker 1: You'll be riding about six kilometers an hour and just
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Speaker 1: fucking dom.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, there's a thought we could we could do that.
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Speaker 2: How you been mate? What's news up there? What's news mate? Actually?
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Speaker 2: I had a good weekend. I went to a Healthy
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Speaker 2: Aging summit. I was presenting there with a few of
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Speaker 2: the fan favorites, Paul Taylor, Kenny Baldwin, Richard Border. You
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Speaker 2: know a few of those boys, and I know all
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Speaker 2: of them.
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Speaker 1: I've spoken with all of it all. Paul Taylor's a
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Speaker 1: good friend body. Him and I have traveled. We've traveled
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Speaker 1: to England together, the States together, New Zealand together. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we've done a bunch together, back in the days where
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Speaker 1: Pete on the Net was a thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Yeah, we've So it's been great spending more
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Speaker 2: time with those guys and it's just a great conference.
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Speaker 2: My mum and dad actually came down to watch me present. Wow,
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Speaker 2: it's awesome because I mean, they don't get to do
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Speaker 2: that too much because I'm often traveling for it. But
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Speaker 2: it's it's it's fun. My mum is an introverted little thing,
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Speaker 2: but when she gets into an environment like that, she's
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Speaker 2: in her element. And she was just dragging people into
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Speaker 2: my session. It was such good. I'm going to hear
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Speaker 2: my son speak. Yeah, you'll love it. No, that's just
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Speaker 2: what Cam does. Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was good.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It was a good confidence, good vibes, good good people
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Speaker 2: wanting people to live longer. It was good.
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Speaker 1: Well, that is a nice segue because I told you
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Speaker 1: and you didn't even tell me that, but I told
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Speaker 1: you before we went live what I wanted to chat about.
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Speaker 1: So I thought we would do a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a deep dive today audience high audience into how to
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Speaker 1: live longer and well not just longer.
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Speaker 2: Living longer is good, but if you live to.
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Speaker 1: Ninety in the last twenty five years are horrible because
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Speaker 1: you're not healthy, that's not so good.
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Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about a relatively.
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Speaker 1: New term on the fitness health wellness lane landscape, which
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Speaker 1: is just called health span which is not a particularly
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Speaker 1: creative word, but health span, that is what percentage of
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Speaker 1: your lived life has lived in a healthy state. So
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Speaker 1: if you live for eighty years, how many of those
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Speaker 1: years are relatively healthy and functional? So I thought what
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Speaker 1: we might do is, I thought we might each choose
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Speaker 1: We're going to go back and forth, pick one variable
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Speaker 1: that has the play some role, big or small, or
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Speaker 1: one factor, and you can start, and then we'll both
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Speaker 1: just wax lyrical about that, because I think there are
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Speaker 1: quite a few things that people are going to pick
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Speaker 1: the obvious ones. Right, they know we're going to talk
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Speaker 1: about genetics and food and exercise and sleep or whatever. Right,
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Speaker 1: they know that, and we will talk about those. But
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Speaker 1: there's a few others that sit a little bit outside
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Speaker 1: of most people's day to day thinking and awareness, which
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Speaker 1: can really really impact how well and long people live.
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Speaker 2: So off, let's go.
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Speaker 1: So what would be And by the way, we're not
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Speaker 1: ranking these everyone.
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Speaker 2: We might rank them at them, we might not.
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Speaker 1: But let's just talk about them in no particular order
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Speaker 1: of importance for the moment.
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Speaker 2: So what's your top of your list? In this sense
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Speaker 2: connected social interaction? A look at you, I.
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Speaker 1: Was so sure you're going to go with genetics, and
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you didn't. All right, unpacked that connected
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Speaker 1: social interaction. Yeah, all right, expand on that, all right,
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Speaker 1: very good.
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Speaker 2: So, firstly, the very simple part of this is, as
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Speaker 2: you get older, having a plant, you'll do better than
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Speaker 2: with no plant. Having a pet you do better than
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Speaker 2: with better than a plant, and with no pet. And
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Speaker 2: if you've got friends, you do better than a pet.
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Speaker 2: And what I mean by that you do better than that,
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Speaker 2: you live longer and live more happily. And where a
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Speaker 2: lot of this stuff came from is the blue zones
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Speaker 2: are places in the world where there's lots of old
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Speaker 2: people that are healthy and one of the things that
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Speaker 2: they've all got different diets, but the thing that they've
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Speaker 2: got is close community connection. And Japan is a really
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Speaker 2: good example of that. They essentially get they essentially ring
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Speaker 2: fence five or six kids when they're young, and they say,
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Speaker 2: you guys are going to be best friends forever, and
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Speaker 2: they create these very strong core groups that become like
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Speaker 2: an outer ring of their family, and these become their
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Speaker 2: close community connections forever. And so whenever you feel connected
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Speaker 2: to somebody, there's a whole lot of things that occur
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Speaker 2: in your body to improve your health. One, your blood
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Speaker 2: pressure drops, So just having a friend, your blood pressure drops.
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Speaker 2: If you've got a friend and you feel connection, your
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Speaker 2: blood sugars are better. You can eat a meal with
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Speaker 2: no friends and then eat a meal with friends, and
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Speaker 2: the blood sugar profile that you have is healthier if
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Speaker 2: you've done it with friends and you feel connected. So
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Speaker 2: it's not just a matter of I feel better. I've
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Speaker 2: got friends around me, and I've got accountability, and I've
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Speaker 2: got someone checking in on me, which is also very
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Speaker 2: very helpful as well. And I've got people to help
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Speaker 2: me to achieve the things that I want to achieve.
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Speaker 2: But literally, when we connect, our physiology says, this is
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Speaker 2: now a safer place. We now recover faster, we get stronger,
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Speaker 2: you know when we sleep. We sleep better with connection,
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Speaker 2: and our health improves, and probably one of the before
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Speaker 2: we get a bit more personalized with it. One of
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Speaker 2: the things that I love about this is in your
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Speaker 2: nervous system, you've got a branch for go do stuff
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Speaker 2: really intensely. That's called your sympathetic branch. You've got your
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Speaker 2: vaguel branch, which is unhappy and social and calm. That
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Speaker 2: is the front part of your vegas, and then there's
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Speaker 2: the back part of that same structure or hits a
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Speaker 2: different part of the slightly different part of the brain,
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Speaker 2: and it is a freeze response that makes your voice
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Speaker 2: change and makes your face change to say, I've got
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Speaker 2: stress going on and I might put myself. This is
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Speaker 2: the freeze response that a possum has when it's being
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Speaker 2: chased by a wild Animals lie on the ground freeze.
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Speaker 2: So when you are disconnected, well, interestingly, when you're stressed,
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Speaker 2: you off. Some people have a freeze response on their
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Speaker 2: face and that used to be community wise. That used
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Speaker 2: to be a signal to say, there's a bloody great
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Speaker 2: bear behind me, and you can see my face and
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Speaker 2: hear my voice. It sounds a little bit stressed. I'm
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Speaker 2: obviously going to need some help. And then the community
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Speaker 2: would gather around that person because they could see on
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Speaker 2: their face and in their voice, they could hear stress,
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Speaker 2: and they would go to that person's aid. And now
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Speaker 2: when you see somebody with a resting, bitch face, you
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Speaker 2: just think, I've got to get as far away as
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Speaker 2: I can from that person as possible, and we have
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Speaker 2: all of this disconnection going on, so they get left
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Speaker 2: alone in this state of stress. But what social is
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Speaker 2: to one person is very different to another. My Dad,
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Speaker 2: my mum, we're just talking about him. They can under
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Speaker 2: that conference. And Dad is a massive social butterfly, like
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Speaker 2: you see him ali Avin Nusa. He knows everyone from
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Speaker 2: the coffee shop to the people swimming across the and
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Speaker 2: he calls them the rock lobsters, the people who hang
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Speaker 2: out on the rock wall before they go for a
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Speaker 2: swim in the morning. He knows everyone. Mum stays at
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Speaker 2: home and she's very happy, and this is the where
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Speaker 2: she needs really close, dedicated connections, just one by one.
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Speaker 2: Dad needs all of the connections. And this is because
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Speaker 2: we genetically differ in what actually makes us feel connected.
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Speaker 2: So that's the starting point for me. Yeah, I love that.
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Speaker 1: And what people probably don't think about so much is
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Speaker 1: even in these little silos of health or behaviors or
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Speaker 1: practices or influence urs that, as you said, for one person,
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Speaker 1: a hug will be therapeutic, for some else, it will
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Speaker 1: be stressful, depending on their personality and the way that
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Speaker 1: they just physically respond to touch or whatever, but also
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Speaker 1: depending on.
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Speaker 2: The person that's hugging them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, a certain person might hug me and
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Speaker 1: it changes my biochemistry for the better, lowers my heart rate,
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Speaker 1: blood pressure, all the things you were talking about, producers,
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Speaker 1: happy hormones, bibbity, bobby boo. Then someone else that I
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Speaker 1: don't like wants to give me a hug. I'm like, fuck,
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Speaker 1: that gets your fucking arms away from me, you know,
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Speaker 1: And it's it's you know, there are not so much
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Speaker 1: with me, I mean, but yeah, there are some people
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Speaker 1: that you know, some people a huggers and I'll give
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Speaker 1: them a huger and it's not bad, but it doesn't really.
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Speaker 1: It's almost like a social obligation sometimes with some people.
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Speaker 1: But there are other people where, you know, like when
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Speaker 1: I hug my mum, it's a different thing. It's like
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Speaker 1: there's a especially the older she gets, the more unwell
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Speaker 1: she gets, you know. So I think that the whole
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Speaker 1: and it gets spoken about a bit now, the loneliness epidemic.
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Speaker 1: You know, it has a significant physical impact, obviously emotional
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Speaker 1: and psychological and sociological, but it had there's a real
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Speaker 1: physical consequence to being lonely a lot. And you know,
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Speaker 1: just that like being around people that you connect with
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Speaker 1: that you love or love you hopefully both on a
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Speaker 1: regular basis is probably more important than eating a healthy breakfast, lunch, dinner.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes it can be you can completely change the profile
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Speaker 2: of those foods by being connected. And when people think
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Speaker 2: about their best day, it's always when someone's reflected back
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Speaker 2: to them, which is I love you being here and
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Speaker 2: I really see you for who you are. Like the
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Speaker 2: best days are times with your best friends, with the
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Speaker 2: people that really get you, and it totally energizes you
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Speaker 2: in a completely different way to what any food can
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Speaker 2: do in one bout like this, And I guess I
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Speaker 2: started here because we have so much focus on food
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Speaker 2: and exercise. It is so undertapped just how important it is.
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Speaker 2: And in Australia and in other countries like Scandinavia, we
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Speaker 2: have very nuclear little families. We live by ourselves. Whereas
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Speaker 2: you go to Italy there's just families everywhere supporting each other.
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Speaker 2: It's just a totally different way of living. And we've
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Speaker 2: done ourselves a massive disservice in moving away from our
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Speaker 2: family and our support networks and having these tiny little
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Speaker 2: houses and not top massive houses with tiny little families
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Speaker 2: not together. You know, we miss a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: that community, particularly in cities.
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Speaker 1: I think also, we grow up. This is getting a
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Speaker 1: bit weird, deep and philosophical. Fuck it, I'm just going
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Speaker 1: to swing the door right open. But you know, personally,
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Speaker 1: I grew up in a culture and a collective mindset
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Speaker 1: that taught me that success and therefore happiness, because everyone
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Speaker 1: associates success with happiness, is about things.
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Speaker 2: It's about things.
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Speaker 1: It's about what you can get Craig, and what your
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Speaker 1: job will be, and your money and your stuff and
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Speaker 1: your house, what you have own earn look like, what
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Speaker 1: people think of you, your brand, your these days, your brand,
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Speaker 1: your profile, your hits, your fucking comments, your likes, your loves,
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Speaker 1: your acceptance, your social and public approval, and all of
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Speaker 1: these external things, and then you get that I've told
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Speaker 1: this story too many times, but I don't know if
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Speaker 1: I've told you, but just quickly, when I was about
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Speaker 1: thirty two, had this epiphany where I had all these
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Speaker 1: businesses and I was all of them were making money.
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Speaker 1: I had five different businesses, heaps of staff, and in
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Speaker 1: the middle of it, I just had this awareness that
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Speaker 1: I was maybe the least.
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Speaker 2: Happy I've ever been.
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Speaker 1: And it's just because everything was about work and stuff
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Speaker 1: and all the businesses and running the systems and the
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Speaker 1: people and hiring, firing, and the personalities and the putting
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Speaker 1: out fires and solving problems. But in the middle of that,
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Speaker 1: I didn't have any deep connection. I have lots of
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Speaker 1: superficial connection. And I'd walk in and I'd be the
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Speaker 1: wah wah Craig, the funny, charismatic, charming storytelling, problem solving
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Speaker 1: fucking whatever.
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Speaker 2: But away from all of that, I just I was like,
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Speaker 2: not good.
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Speaker 1: And I had this epiphany all this shit doesn't matter.
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Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't matter beyond the point of course.
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Speaker 1: You've got to have some food and some dough to
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Speaker 1: pay the bills and all of that stuff.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, that.
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Speaker 1: Understanding, that happiness, contentment, and therefore the flow on physiological
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Speaker 1: benefits of contentment and calm and feeling loved and connected
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Speaker 1: and valued and even wanted. It's an inside out thing,
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Speaker 1: not an outside in thing. You know, this is not Oh,
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Speaker 1: I solve this internal issue by changing that external variable
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Speaker 1: you know, or if it is, it will change you
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Speaker 1: for a minute.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: If I love cars, and I've stopped buying fancy cars,
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Speaker 1: but for not fancy but kind of fancy. I bought
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Speaker 1: a bunch of cars I didn't need over the years,
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Speaker 1: and literally three days into ownership of said car, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: all I was doing was worrying about the car getting scratched.
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Speaker 1: It was more stress than joy, you know. So having
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Speaker 1: this thing that I wanted and I didn't think, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is going to make me happy, I'll solve my problems.
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Speaker 1: I just wanted it. But then i'd go get it,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, ah, oh, this is actually more of
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Speaker 1: an emotional and psychological burden than it is an asset,
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Speaker 1: because now I don't want to park it anywhere. And
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Speaker 1: now if I do go somewhere, I park five hundred
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Speaker 1: meters away where I think it won't get marked or touched.
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Speaker 2: And I walked you know.
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Speaker 1: All that stuff where you realize, ah, how does joy
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Speaker 1: and happiness and fulfillment and.
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Speaker 2: Calm and that positive state? How does does that work?
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Speaker 1: Because for me, anyway, I think there is a correlation
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Speaker 1: between situation, circumstance, environment, bank balance. There's a correlation, but
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Speaker 1: it's not the correlation we think it is where more
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Speaker 1: of this equals much better that in my experience. And
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Speaker 1: also I will say that you know, over the years
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Speaker 1: I trained a lot of wealthy and high profile people.
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Speaker 1: And I don't have data on this, but just my
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Speaker 1: observation and experience would be that probably the people that
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Speaker 1: I worked with and coach that were doing better in
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Speaker 1: inverted commas were more medicated for depression, anxiety, and sleeplessness
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Speaker 1: than my regular for want of a better term, clients.
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Speaker 1: So that to me, you know, and again it's not causal,
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Speaker 1: but there's a correlation.
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Speaker 2: So all right, so we've done.
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Speaker 1: Connected social interactions, Well let's go for something traditional and
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Speaker 1: boring because you can. You can definitely speak to this
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Speaker 1: and it matters a lot. So I'm going to say, ironically,
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Speaker 1: out of the two of us, I'm going to be
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Speaker 1: the one to say genetics.
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Speaker 2: And I literally heard some.
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Speaker 1: People talking at the table next to me at the
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Speaker 1: cafe a few days ago, and the bloke said he.
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Speaker 2: Was talking to a lady. I don't know what their
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Speaker 2: relationship doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: He goes, well, my mum died at seventy one or
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Speaker 1: something and dad died at sixty five, so you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be lucky to make whatever, basically saying,
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Speaker 1: his life lifespan was pretty much set in stone because
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Speaker 1: of his genetics, and I really wanted to lean across
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Speaker 1: and go, hey, bro, that just that's not by any
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Speaker 1: means necessarily accurate.
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Speaker 2: So in general.
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Speaker 1: Terms, and I know there's no absolute number, but what's
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Speaker 1: the gen all thinking about how much of our lifespan
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Speaker 1: and hell span is determined by or significantly influenced by
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Speaker 1: our genetics?
20:09
Speaker 2: What mum and dad give us? Yeah, well probably had
20:13
Speaker 2: to expand that. It's not just what mom and dad gives.
20:15
Speaker 2: It's there. It's the multi generational collection of genes from
20:21
Speaker 2: many different people. So we're getting a little bit of
20:23
Speaker 2: mom and dad and a little bit of grammar and
20:25
Speaker 2: naty whatever it might be. So that the really important
20:28
Speaker 2: thing is genetics tells us how we're probably more likely
20:34
Speaker 2: to die, not necessarily that we will. Genetics give us
20:38
Speaker 2: an understanding. It's just like if you've got a If
20:42
Speaker 2: you've got a Ferrari and you put your foot on
20:44
Speaker 2: the gas, it's very likely to go fast. And similarly,
20:48
Speaker 2: if you put you've got a van, you put your
20:50
Speaker 2: foot on the foot of the floor, and it's very
20:52
Speaker 2: likely to go like a van very slowly. And so
20:55
Speaker 2: genetics are the same thing. So if you've got but
21:01
Speaker 2: well it's sort of the same thing, the idea, and.
21:04
Speaker 1: I also say, can I also say, if you've got
21:06
Speaker 1: a Ferrari and you've got a Toyota high ice fan,
21:11
Speaker 1: the Ferrari is probably going to get sicker. Let me
21:14
Speaker 1: put an asterisk, quicker than the high ace van and
21:17
Speaker 1: more often and cost you a lot. So fuck the Ferrari.
21:22
Speaker 1: Talk to us Toyota high lux as will you.
21:25
Speaker 2: That's right, exactly, Okay, very good. No, there's no benefit
21:29
Speaker 2: to aging fast. There's no doubt about that for the
21:31
Speaker 2: Ferrari gloves out there. So the way to think about
21:35
Speaker 2: it is you've got a set of genes, you've got
21:37
Speaker 2: a blueprint of how things are going to work. But
21:40
Speaker 2: what's more important than that is what we call epigenetics.
21:43
Speaker 2: And epigenetics is which of those genes are turned on.
21:47
Speaker 2: And if you sit down on your ass for eight hours,
21:53
Speaker 2: your genes that code for diabetes turn on. And if
21:57
Speaker 2: you've got lots of genes that are susceptible to diabetes,
22:01
Speaker 2: then they'll turn on faster and harder. Whereas if you
22:05
Speaker 2: if you give yourself that same eight hour stretch, but
22:07
Speaker 2: you break it up every twenty minutes with a walk
22:10
Speaker 2: you're stimulating the muscle to say, hey, I need new muscles,
22:14
Speaker 2: and so your genes just wanting to go, hey, I'm
22:16
Speaker 2: not going to turn diabetes genes and I'm going to
22:18
Speaker 2: turn on muscle activation genes. So this is where if
22:23
Speaker 2: I give my body an environment, I change the genes
22:26
Speaker 2: that are active. You might have someone who's running marathons
22:29
Speaker 2: do it, really really fit, really really healthy, and they've
22:32
Speaker 2: got a whole bucket load of high risk diabetes genes,
22:36
Speaker 2: but they aren't even turned on because they're doing all
22:40
Speaker 2: of the activities and the exercise that keeps those genes
22:44
Speaker 2: turned off. So when we're talking about that guy, do
22:46
Speaker 2: you lean across to say, yep, you my parent was
22:50
Speaker 2: this and my parent was at there for I'm somewhere
22:52
Speaker 2: in the middle. It's to say that, well, if you
22:54
Speaker 2: change your environment, you change the way that your genes offer,
23:00
Speaker 2: the way your health, the way your health expresses itself
23:04
Speaker 2: as well. So and this is why, you know, we've
23:08
Speaker 2: all got relatively quite similar genes as far as you know,
23:12
Speaker 2: as a species, and some of us are living for
23:15
Speaker 2: you know, one hundred and someone. We've got Brian Johnson
23:18
Speaker 2: who doesn't want to die and then we've got other
23:21
Speaker 2: individuals that will maybe have a heart attack at sixty five,
23:24
Speaker 2: you know, but there's every capacity for that person had
23:26
Speaker 2: a heart attack at sixty five. If they understood their body,
23:28
Speaker 2: understood their genetic predispositions, they could surround themselves with the
23:32
Speaker 2: right environments, just like the right kind of friends to
23:35
Speaker 2: have around you. It's the right kind of foods for you,
23:37
Speaker 2: it's the right kind of exercise for you, the right
23:39
Speaker 2: kind of environment, whatever it might be that preserves your physiology,
23:44
Speaker 2: preserves your health, and it allows you to increase the
23:48
Speaker 2: quality of your life no matter how long it is,
23:51
Speaker 2: and you're more likely to live longer too. And the
23:54
Speaker 2: h I would say, genetics are a very good guide
23:59
Speaker 2: on what can I do about my aging? They give
24:03
Speaker 2: us an instruction rather than this is definitely going to
24:06
Speaker 2: happen with your aging.
24:07
Speaker 1: It's almost like this is going to sound like a
24:10
Speaker 1: weird analogy, but it's like talent or potential or creativity
24:14
Speaker 1: or intellect, this is what I've been given to work with,
24:20
Speaker 1: and now how am I working with it? Like am
24:24
Speaker 1: I optimizing my creativity or my genetic potential or my
24:29
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five IQ or am I. Yes
24:34
Speaker 1: I've got this. It's like yes, I've got an exercise bike,
24:37
Speaker 1: I just don't ever fucking ride it.
24:40
Speaker 2: Well.
24:40
Speaker 1: In order to get the potential benefit from that, you
24:43
Speaker 1: need to use it.
24:44
Speaker 2: And perhaps progress the way.
24:46
Speaker 1: That you use it over time so that your body
24:49
Speaker 1: keeps adapting.
24:52
Speaker 2: This is going to sound funny, but.
24:55
Speaker 1: Especially as we're both somewhat exercise specialists among other things. Well,
25:02
Speaker 1: I say that more for you than me, because I'm
25:04
Speaker 1: not really a guru and anything. But the most other
25:08
Speaker 1: than lifting weights when I was a kid and starting
25:10
Speaker 1: at a young age lifting weights and doing all the
25:12
Speaker 1: stuff I do, the most profound therapy, whether or not
25:18
Speaker 1: it's a supplement, a dietary change, some kind of other
25:24
Speaker 1: health wellness protocol.
25:27
Speaker 2: The most profound thing that I've done in the last
25:29
Speaker 2: forty years.
25:30
Speaker 1: And this is going to sound almost like bullshit, but
25:35
Speaker 1: is about almost two years ago now, I started walking
25:39
Speaker 1: a rock bottom of ten thousand.
25:40
Speaker 2: Steps a day. Now this is just for me. But firstly, when.
25:45
Speaker 1: I started, I wasn't fat, So I was maybe twelve
25:49
Speaker 1: to fifteen percent body fat. Like, I wasn't fat, but
25:52
Speaker 1: I wasn't ripped off my head. But I was in
25:54
Speaker 1: pretty good shape. So now I'm which I don't really like.
25:58
Speaker 1: But I'm seventy a kilo. I make kilos lighter, which
26:01
Speaker 1: I don't like. My ego doesn't like it. I like
26:03
Speaker 1: being bigger, but fuck that. But that's really the only
26:08
Speaker 1: thing I've changed in the last two years in terms
26:11
Speaker 1: of my personal protocol, that I've done consistently, and I
26:14
Speaker 1: haven't missed a day in two years, or nearly two years.
26:18
Speaker 1: My brain works better, my energy is better, I sleep better,
26:23
Speaker 1: my resting heart rate is significantly lower, my metabolism is different.
26:29
Speaker 1: And like that, there are like I just said out
26:33
Speaker 1: because I just didn't. I just realized that I spent
26:37
Speaker 1: most of my life lying or sitting. You know, sure
26:40
Speaker 1: i'd go to the gym for an hour a day,
26:42
Speaker 1: but when I wasn't at the gym moving around and
26:44
Speaker 1: lifting shit, I was sitting.
26:45
Speaker 2: At a desk, or I was sitting in my car,
26:48
Speaker 2: or I was.
26:49
Speaker 1: Lying in bed, or I was sitting on the lounge
26:52
Speaker 1: eating food and watching the TV. Or It's like, ironically,
26:56
Speaker 1: the exercise expert was quite sedentary. And since I changed
27:02
Speaker 1: that one little simple you don't need any money, you
27:05
Speaker 1: don't need any skill, You don't need permission. You don't
27:08
Speaker 1: need a fucking assessment unless you're in terrible health. But yeah,
27:14
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, who would have thought?
27:17
Speaker 2: And also.
27:20
Speaker 1: Not that I'm particularly predisposed to anxiety or depressional, but
27:24
Speaker 1: definitely help my mental health as well. So like one
27:28
Speaker 1: little simple thing like that can have a profound impact,
27:33
Speaker 1: or if not profound, a noticeable impact on a myriad
27:37
Speaker 1: of variables.
27:39
Speaker 2: So for me, that's been.
27:40
Speaker 1: When I tell people that I go, look for somebody
27:44
Speaker 1: with all the years experience I've got, training people, working
27:46
Speaker 1: with athletes and teams and fucking owning gyms. I go,
27:50
Speaker 1: this is so underwhelming, you'll feel like you're not getting value.
27:54
Speaker 1: But just do this for maybe one hundred days in
27:56
Speaker 1: a row or even thirty, walk more than ten thousand
28:01
Speaker 1: steps a day and get back to me. And I
28:03
Speaker 1: know that's an arbitrary number. I get all of it,
28:06
Speaker 1: but let's just pick a number and let's do that
28:10
Speaker 1: and see what happens. And everyone's like, fucking game changer.
28:15
Speaker 1: Game changer, and not just in terms of physiology, but
28:19
Speaker 1: also emotion and psychology as well. So I think walking
28:23
Speaker 1: is amazing. Okay, so we've done, We're really going slow,
28:26
Speaker 1: but fuck it, that doesn't matter. So social interaction was
28:31
Speaker 1: the first. Genetics was the second, and that was me.
28:35
Speaker 1: What's the third factor or variable that we might ponder
28:39
Speaker 1: having purpose?
28:41
Speaker 2: Okay? I like that? All right, go I'm ready. I'm
28:45
Speaker 2: taking notes. All right. So when you go, yeah, having
28:51
Speaker 2: purpose is for me. For me in the way that
28:55
Speaker 2: we define the work that we do, it's the sense
28:58
Speaker 2: that what you're doing is exactly what you feel like
29:02
Speaker 2: you should be doing, what's right for you. It's like
29:06
Speaker 2: having a purpose doesn't have to be I want to
29:08
Speaker 2: save the world. It could be I need to be
29:10
Speaker 2: really present with my family. I want to make family
29:13
Speaker 2: my focus, and just make sure that they're saying that
29:16
Speaker 2: can be a purpose. It can be I'm just going
29:19
Speaker 2: to ensure that my parents go well, you know, in
29:23
Speaker 2: their later years. Whatever it might be. It might be
29:27
Speaker 2: something like I want to find a cure for cancer,
29:30
Speaker 2: you know. So something that speaks to you, speaks to
29:33
Speaker 2: your passions, that makes you feel good in the pursuit
29:37
Speaker 2: of it, and also something that one of the things
29:40
Speaker 2: that when we talk about purpose, we talk think feel belief.
29:43
Speaker 2: So I think I'm passionate about it. I just get
29:46
Speaker 2: cognitively engaged with the idea of it. The second part
29:49
Speaker 2: is I feel good when I'm doing it. It just
29:52
Speaker 2: generates a great feeling within me. And the third is
29:55
Speaker 2: I believe this is my purpose because the evidence are
30:00
Speaker 2: around the world, or the evidence of my world says
30:02
Speaker 2: that I'm already doing it. And an example of that
30:06
Speaker 2: is I love health. When I talk about health, there's
30:09
Speaker 2: no better feeling in my body than talking about it.
30:12
Speaker 2: And then third, the belief is in my life so far,
30:17
Speaker 2: I've gone about ten and a half years of formalized
30:20
Speaker 2: study and health. I've done nothing but health for the
30:22
Speaker 2: last twenty three years, and I naturally want the attention
30:26
Speaker 2: and people to listen to me as I speak about it,
30:28
Speaker 2: and I really enjoy speaking about it. So my belief
30:32
Speaker 2: on the things that have happened match up with my feeling,
30:35
Speaker 2: match up with my thoughts. That for me is purpose.
30:37
Speaker 2: So think, feel and believe is something that you then
30:40
Speaker 2: know and gay, I reckon it's bigger for you. I reckon.
30:47
Speaker 2: What I reckon is like, why do you want to
30:50
Speaker 2: why do you want to educate? Inform Well, I'll tell
30:52
Speaker 2: you what my ultimate purpose is because.
30:54
Speaker 1: I think like so for me, for me when I
31:01
Speaker 1: talk to people about purpose, because a lot of people go,
31:03
Speaker 1: how the fuck do I find my purpose? And so
31:05
Speaker 1: it's a really interesting conversation. It's like they're going to
31:08
Speaker 1: find it. They're going to find their purpose over some
31:12
Speaker 1: you know, mystical mythical rock, or they're going to have
31:17
Speaker 1: an angel at their window or revelation from God. Like Craig,
31:20
Speaker 1: your purpose is you know that? Maybe people get that.
31:24
Speaker 1: I haven't got that. But for me, it's like, what
31:27
Speaker 1: are your values? What are the things that matter to you? Like,
31:31
Speaker 1: don't overthink, but what really matters to you and the
31:34
Speaker 1: things that really matter to you? I mean not the
31:36
Speaker 1: things that sound good to say in front.
31:38
Speaker 2: Of a group. Oh, you know, helping people fuck off.
31:42
Speaker 1: It's like, well maybe, but it's like they're these tropes
31:45
Speaker 1: and these social cliches that get wheeled out. But more specifically,
31:51
Speaker 1: and of course helping people is a great goal, but
31:53
Speaker 1: what does that look like?
31:54
Speaker 2: And help them? How? And how will you specifically help them?
31:58
Speaker 1: And what is with what era of their life or
32:01
Speaker 1: existence are you trying to help them?
32:02
Speaker 2: Right? But when you can identify.
32:04
Speaker 1: Your personal values, then I think finding your purpose is
32:09
Speaker 1: just an offshoot of that you know, but I think
32:13
Speaker 1: yours is, Yeah, you want to help people get more educated, informed,
32:17
Speaker 1: and change their behaviors just so they can live a
32:20
Speaker 1: better life. You know that to me seems the net
32:23
Speaker 1: result of all the education and information.
32:26
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, big. When I take it further, it's I
32:29
Speaker 2: want to contribute to the elevation of consciousness so that
32:33
Speaker 2: when people become more aware of themselves, they become more
32:36
Speaker 2: aware of others, they take more aware behavior and more
32:40
Speaker 2: action around their health. Then they're able to hold a
32:43
Speaker 2: better space, they're able to observe their own lives in
32:45
Speaker 2: a better way. So it's very much that. But what's
32:50
Speaker 2: probably the Eastern philosophy is purpose is very very helpful,
32:54
Speaker 2: and that is what is your role in the community.
32:57
Speaker 2: So when you express your purpose, when you live your purpose,
33:02
Speaker 2: what kind of feedback do you expect to be getting,
33:04
Speaker 2: What kind of change would you expect to see in
33:06
Speaker 2: the people around you? How does it contribute to the
33:08
Speaker 2: collective that you live with? And that's where the purpose
33:12
Speaker 2: of being a mom or dad at home looking after
33:16
Speaker 2: the family, the purpose is that you are providing a
33:19
Speaker 2: platform and a launchpad for maybe five six other people
33:23
Speaker 2: in the family that you're supporting to go and pursue
33:26
Speaker 2: their own goals, and they're going out to elicit incredible
33:29
Speaker 2: change in the community as well because you provided that
33:31
Speaker 2: support and structure for them. So, I really I think
33:35
Speaker 2: too much purpose is focused on what am I doing?
33:38
Speaker 2: How have I got to get stuff done, as opposed
33:41
Speaker 2: to when I do my thing, when I live my purpose?
33:44
Speaker 2: What impact does that have on the people around me?
33:46
Speaker 2: How does it contribute to for the collective good or
33:50
Speaker 2: the good of the people around me. Yeah.
33:53
Speaker 1: One of the one of the favorite things that I
33:56
Speaker 1: like to hear, which sounds somewhat egotistical, it might be,
34:00
Speaker 1: I don't think it is, is when people say I
34:05
Speaker 1: love being around you, like guys or girls like I
34:09
Speaker 1: just really like your energy. I love sitting talking to you.
34:13
Speaker 1: I always feel better when I go away. And sometimes
34:16
Speaker 1: someone will say that and we've spent an hour and
34:22
Speaker 1: I've said, I've spoken for five minutes, but I've just
34:25
Speaker 1: asked them the right questions and nodded at the right
34:28
Speaker 1: time and understood and shared empathy and being genuine and
34:32
Speaker 1: been fully present and knowing how you can be without
34:39
Speaker 1: saying much necessarily knowing how you can be energy that
34:43
Speaker 1: people want to be around, not because you're hilarious, charming, funny,
34:48
Speaker 1: which I'm not saying it suggests not any of that,
34:50
Speaker 1: but just where people like you actually do care about me.
34:54
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, I actually do this.
34:57
Speaker 1: This is not a commercially driven, you know, like a
35:01
Speaker 1: person personality that I'm creating.
35:04
Speaker 2: For this hour in time.
35:06
Speaker 1: It's like, I want you to succeed and that you
35:11
Speaker 1: know for me, So I think you and I are
35:13
Speaker 1: a little bit the same. It's like I know that
35:16
Speaker 1: I can have a decent career and make a few
35:19
Speaker 1: dollars and do all of that, but it doesn't have
35:21
Speaker 1: to be at the expense of who I am as
35:25
Speaker 1: a person and how I am as a person, which,
35:27
Speaker 1: by the way, is a highly flawed person trying real hard.
35:31
Speaker 1: But it's not like you've got to be a really
35:33
Speaker 1: great person who's got, you know, perhaps.
35:36
Speaker 2: Admirable morality and kind of values. Because you can. You
35:42
Speaker 2: can do both.
35:43
Speaker 1: You can go build a brand, you can buy your ferrari,
35:45
Speaker 1: you can do all the shit that you want. But
35:48
Speaker 1: I think the problem is when we start to identify
35:53
Speaker 1: ourselves with things that that can become problematic because we're
35:59
Speaker 1: looking for something in a place that we can't get it.
36:05
Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing like without trying to sound like
36:10
Speaker 1: a dick. A few times, I've bought my mum a
36:12
Speaker 1: car over the years, and just because I could afford to,
36:15
Speaker 1: and they were struggling. And we're not talking about fancy cars.
36:18
Speaker 1: We're talking about little corollas and stuff, but brand new.
36:21
Speaker 1: And I remember the first time I bought my mom
36:23
Speaker 1: a car, I had never experienced even close to the
36:27
Speaker 1: joy when I got myself a car, I'm like, Oh,
36:31
Speaker 1: this is this is where the joy lives in buying cars.
36:35
Speaker 1: It's in giving them away to someone that you love,
36:39
Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, oh, that's a lesson. Yeah, because
36:42
Speaker 1: and then, you know, every time for the first six
36:45
Speaker 1: months i'd talk to her, she'd be like, Oh, I
36:47
Speaker 1: love my car. I love my car, thank you, you know.
36:49
Speaker 1: And it's like just it's giving her joy because she
36:53
Speaker 1: doesn't worry about all the shit I worry about because
36:55
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot.
36:56
Speaker 2: But absolutely, I've got some couple of stats on that
36:59
Speaker 2: before we leave. Yeah, if you've got purpose, you've got
37:04
Speaker 2: a two and a half times or two hundred and
37:06
Speaker 2: fifty percent lower chance of having an heart attack than
37:09
Speaker 2: someone who has no purpose. Wow, like that for me
37:14
Speaker 2: and for those people who can't see what I'm doing,
37:16
Speaker 2: I'm raising my hands, buddy, excited about this because we
37:20
Speaker 2: just completely undervalue alignment with identity and purpose and actually
37:28
Speaker 2: doing and feeling like you are doing something of meaning
37:31
Speaker 2: in the world. And it changes every parameter of your
37:35
Speaker 2: health to be aligned purposely. It changes your physiology. We
37:39
Speaker 2: all worry about I can't eat that chocolate, barkause it's
37:41
Speaker 2: going to change my physiology. Purpose is something that is
37:45
Speaker 2: constantly pervading your life at all times. It's not just
37:50
Speaker 2: a food that you have one meal. If you have
37:51
Speaker 2: a lack of purpose, you just get depression because your
37:55
Speaker 2: body says, whatever this is, I don't want to provide
37:58
Speaker 2: energy for it because it's not purposeful. And so so
38:01
Speaker 2: much about our so much of our health is governed
38:04
Speaker 2: by this lack of meaning and so spending time talking
38:08
Speaker 2: about it and kids can have it. You can have
38:10
Speaker 2: a purpose as a child. It changes as you age,
38:13
Speaker 2: but it's this incredible opportunity that we have to actually
38:20
Speaker 2: give kids a purpose, give them meaning, give them a
38:23
Speaker 2: sense of confidence in that. But it becomes even more
38:25
Speaker 2: important for those people wanting to stay alive. And that's
38:28
Speaker 2: where the plant or the dog or the friends, it
38:31
Speaker 2: actually wraps into your purpose. I've got this friend to
38:35
Speaker 2: go on, I've got purpose, and you actually get chemicals
38:37
Speaker 2: produced in your body that elicit energy. And if you
38:40
Speaker 2: then spend more energy, you normally then sleep better. And
38:44
Speaker 2: once you sleep better, you recover better, and then it
38:46
Speaker 2: just goes on. And one of the things that I
38:48
Speaker 2: presented at this conference was the idea of oscillation. Health
38:53
Speaker 2: show over time. In age, you show a lower oscillation.
38:59
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is young people get
39:01
Speaker 2: up and run and then they sleep really well, and
39:04
Speaker 2: the like their activity is high, and then their rest
39:06
Speaker 2: is very low. As far as activity levels. As you
39:10
Speaker 2: get older, you do less and then you sleep less,
39:14
Speaker 2: and your range of that wave going up and down
39:17
Speaker 2: gets smaller and smaller until you hit a flat line,
39:20
Speaker 2: in which in fact is death. So it's the whole
39:23
Speaker 2: idea of longevity is to and we'll talk about this
39:26
Speaker 2: with exercise, we talk about this with food. It's to
39:28
Speaker 2: engage in activity that actually creates some kind of healthy strain,
39:33
Speaker 2: and you stress like exercise, like social engagement, like having
39:37
Speaker 2: somewhere purposeful to go. It elicits big energy that then
39:41
Speaker 2: allows you to recover appropriately, and that recovery is where
39:45
Speaker 2: you maintain your strength. It's the lack of recovery that
39:47
Speaker 2: ages you. It's the lack of recovery that reduces your
39:53
Speaker 2: reduces your immune function. So it's having purpose means you've
39:57
Speaker 2: got something to live for, and you action intensely when
40:01
Speaker 2: you've got purpose, whether it be looking after people, whether
40:03
Speaker 2: it be chasing a dream and that and that is
40:05
Speaker 2: a very very important part of creating the impetus or
40:09
Speaker 2: the feeling like I need to recover now, as opposed
40:13
Speaker 2: to just sitting on your couch all day and with
40:16
Speaker 2: no oscillation. You die a lot faster that way too,
40:19
Speaker 2: So that would there'd be some extra bits on purpose
40:22
Speaker 2: just to round it out. You go have that for free, right,
40:25
Speaker 2: you know, for advice, for advice just for you. So
40:30
Speaker 2: my next one, it's my turn.
40:32
Speaker 1: My next one, which you can riff on as well
40:36
Speaker 1: because you're the guest, is it's kind of an intersection
40:40
Speaker 1: of two things. One is health literacy, which is broad
40:44
Speaker 1: term and I'm talking about for the average punter, like
40:47
Speaker 1: for all of our listeners just to understand. But I'm
40:50
Speaker 1: not saying you need to turn into any kind of
40:52
Speaker 1: medical professional.
40:54
Speaker 2: Or excise physiologist or physiotherapist or.
40:56
Speaker 1: Dietitian or you know, but just do you understand just
41:01
Speaker 1: to do a little bit of a dive, not necessarily
41:04
Speaker 1: a deep diver, somewhat deep dive into understanding what you know.
41:08
Speaker 1: Like what like we were talking before about my dad
41:11
Speaker 1: with diabetes. Now, admittedly he's old and things aren't going great,
41:15
Speaker 1: but my dad's had diabetes for twenty five years. If
41:18
Speaker 1: you said to him, Ron, can you explain how diabetes
41:22
Speaker 1: works and what's happening in the body? The answer is no,
41:26
Speaker 1: of course I've told him many times, but it's like
41:29
Speaker 1: he really not that he doesn't care, but you know,
41:31
Speaker 1: like sometimes anyway, but I think our willingness to start
41:37
Speaker 1: to learn about how our body works, that's part one.
41:41
Speaker 1: And to understand our own body and listen to our
41:48
Speaker 1: body via interro reception or interoception however you want to
41:52
Speaker 1: say it.
41:52
Speaker 2: Where when you.
41:54
Speaker 1: Start this conversation, this lifelong conversation with your body and
42:00
Speaker 1: trying to understand, well, when I feel this is, what
42:03
Speaker 1: is that?
42:03
Speaker 2: Where's that coming from? What's that about?
42:05
Speaker 1: When I and understanding when I do this, I sleep better,
42:09
Speaker 1: or when I do that, I'm more anxious, or when
42:12
Speaker 1: I don't drink enough, my weed looks like fanca.
42:15
Speaker 2: Or you know, just stuff that.
42:17
Speaker 1: Your body's telling you, so then you don't every time
42:21
Speaker 1: there's like it's something slightly offbeat, you don't have to
42:24
Speaker 1: run to a doctor.
42:26
Speaker 2: I'm not saying diagnose yourself.
42:29
Speaker 1: I'm saying we don't need to go to a doctor
42:31
Speaker 1: for all the things that we go to the doctor for.
42:34
Speaker 1: If we start to understand like our body is in
42:38
Speaker 1: constant communication with us. It's not talking per se, but
42:42
Speaker 1: it's talking. And the problem is not that we can't
42:47
Speaker 1: with some things heal ourselves. It's just that we don't
42:50
Speaker 1: speak the language and sometimes the message it's giving, which
42:55
Speaker 1: might be to some people, you need to take a
42:58
Speaker 1: day or two off training, And if you like me
43:01
Speaker 1: for most of my life, I'd go, fuck that, that's stupid,
43:05
Speaker 1: that's not real, that's you know.
43:06
Speaker 2: I would push back.
43:08
Speaker 1: My body's like, please have a fucking day off, have
43:11
Speaker 1: three days off, have a week off. I'm like, no,
43:14
Speaker 1: I've got to be tougher than that. I've got a
43:16
Speaker 1: fucking grind. I've got to you know. But deep down
43:19
Speaker 1: I knew that that was more ego than toughness, right,
43:21
Speaker 1: So that ability to build a relationship, a communicative relationship
43:27
Speaker 1: with your body, and then also just to open the.
43:33
Speaker 2: Door a bit on trying to understand what is blood pressure?
43:37
Speaker 1: What? What what does healthy blood pressure unhealthy look like?
43:40
Speaker 1: Or blood sugar or what you know, what what does
43:44
Speaker 1: the pancreas do? Like you don't need to become a
43:47
Speaker 1: guru too, and like, well, what happens if I have
43:50
Speaker 1: consistently three thousand calories a day but I'm expending twenty
43:53
Speaker 1: five hundred?
43:54
Speaker 2: What happens? You know?
43:56
Speaker 1: Just all these it's not that difficult, but we don't
44:00
Speaker 1: tend to what's the word, We don't tend to pay
44:05
Speaker 1: attention because I feel like we love instant gratification and
44:11
Speaker 1: we'd rather feel reached for a pill sometimes that we
44:14
Speaker 1: sometimes don't need.
44:16
Speaker 2: You know.
44:16
Speaker 1: It's like, by the way, when you take to twenty
44:19
Speaker 1: five milligram voltarans which you can buy over the counter.
44:22
Speaker 2: Because you need's a bit sore so you can go
44:25
Speaker 2: for your.
44:25
Speaker 1: Run, well, your needs telling you not take voltar, and
44:30
Speaker 1: you need saying don't fucking run. Yes, right, So it's
44:34
Speaker 1: this kind of wisdom that we're not tapping into steps
44:38
Speaker 1: down off soapbox.
44:39
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that I actually spoke at
44:42
Speaker 2: length about this on a podcast where the recording didn't work,
44:45
Speaker 2: so it's nice to have a fresh crack added the
44:52
Speaker 2: Probably what I take out of that, the idea of
44:56
Speaker 2: understanding the queues are so important. And then, and this
45:00
Speaker 2: is what's so cool about precision health is that we
45:04
Speaker 2: now can understand where that symptoms coming from, which is very,
45:07
Speaker 2: very important because right now we do not have a
45:10
Speaker 2: vocabulary that tells us this is what this means, and
45:13
Speaker 2: no one teaches it in school about this is how
45:17
Speaker 2: your body could feel, and this is what could be
45:19
Speaker 2: going on with it, and let's actually have a listen
45:21
Speaker 2: to your body and how does it actually feel. No
45:23
Speaker 2: one is having that conversation. And then also one of
45:27
Speaker 2: the biggest reasons we don't prioritize it is because we
45:29
Speaker 2: are told continually from the outside how to live our
45:32
Speaker 2: lives rather than actually interpret it from the answer. So
45:35
Speaker 2: you'll see an Instagram person to say, oh, I've got
45:38
Speaker 2: to do an exercise this way, And I literally just
45:40
Speaker 2: did a post today with three different massive like Tim Ferriss,
45:44
Speaker 2: Patrick Roonda or whatever to Ronda Patrick and some other
45:48
Speaker 2: bloke talking about the four x four Norwegian Protocol and
45:51
Speaker 2: all of them just talking about the incredible thing. But
45:54
Speaker 2: if you look at the data, some people get less
45:57
Speaker 2: fit from this four x four protocol and other people
46:00
Speaker 2: get very fit. And it just blows my mind because
46:04
Speaker 2: there'll be a millions of people actually with the collective
46:07
Speaker 2: audiences that these guys have, that will be going, God,
46:10
Speaker 2: that's another thing that I've got to do, and it
46:12
Speaker 2: may not even be good for them. So this we
46:16
Speaker 2: have so many different factors, and we live in an
46:18
Speaker 2: environment that makes us fat easily, and you have to
46:24
Speaker 2: be so dedicated and disciplined to maintain your health in
46:28
Speaker 2: our culture because it is so much easier to get
46:33
Speaker 2: unhealthy and just try it, like well, whatever you want
46:35
Speaker 2: to put the just put the least effort you can
46:38
Speaker 2: into life and just watch how it descends into very
46:41
Speaker 2: very poor health. But you know, you then listen to
46:43
Speaker 2: the Hadzadi's, this African tribe that are still very very
46:47
Speaker 2: healthy and all that sort of stuff, because they live
46:49
Speaker 2: their life traditionally. They're doing eight to ten k's a
46:53
Speaker 2: day picking berries. The women. They've got families that look
46:57
Speaker 2: after them, like you cannot live in that society and
47:01
Speaker 2: not get fitter and not eat healthier, and not be
47:04
Speaker 2: more connected, like the society mandates that you are just
47:08
Speaker 2: by the way that it's set up. But we can
47:10
Speaker 2: be disconnected. We can be so to that point we
47:14
Speaker 2: are so looking outside for the solution that we don't
47:18
Speaker 2: even look for our internal markers. And then even when
47:21
Speaker 2: we do have the markers, this is the crazy thing
47:23
Speaker 2: as well. When we do have the markers like depression,
47:27
Speaker 2: like anxiety, like dissatisfaction in relationships, like my guts off
47:33
Speaker 2: and my energy is terrible in the morning, and my
47:36
Speaker 2: knees sore and the whatever, we just go, now, yeah,
47:39
Speaker 2: well that's just life, Like we don't even think to
47:42
Speaker 2: say depression is generally the physiological drivers of depression is
47:48
Speaker 2: I am in the wrong environment, and the body says,
47:51
Speaker 2: I'm no longer giving you energy and motivation because you
47:54
Speaker 2: are doing this wrong. Stop whatever you're doing. But instead
47:58
Speaker 2: we just go, I'll just stay in my depressed life.
48:01
Speaker 2: And then we have a whole other thing as well,
48:03
Speaker 2: where I did get on a rant about this, YESLM,
48:08
Speaker 2: and that's all coming back to me. We've got things
48:11
Speaker 2: like women's health where it's like perimenopause causes brain fog
48:16
Speaker 2: and digestive issues and fatigue and mood and blood sugar
48:19
Speaker 2: problems and heart disease. But then you go to another
48:24
Speaker 2: specialty weight gain gives you brain fog, gives you a
48:28
Speaker 2: joint pain, and siffness, gives you glucose issues, gives you
48:32
Speaker 2: gut problems. And then you go along to a thing
48:36
Speaker 2: on autoimmune and you get brain fog and you get this,
48:40
Speaker 2: and then you've got to go to Celiac convention and
48:43
Speaker 2: wheat gives you brain fog and joint pain and gut issues.
48:46
Speaker 2: And we've only got so many ways of expressing symptoms,
48:49
Speaker 2: like our body only knows a certain number of ways
48:51
Speaker 2: to say this is what's wrong with me. And the
48:55
Speaker 2: problem is that whichever feed that you're in, if you're
48:58
Speaker 2: in a perimenopause, will feed, and it's just then you're
49:01
Speaker 2: going to think all of your problems of hormones, when
49:03
Speaker 2: in fact, I've fixed a person's perimenopausal experiences literally with
49:08
Speaker 2: her just having a slow morning and eating at regular
49:11
Speaker 2: times throughout the day with a light dinner, eighty percent
49:13
Speaker 2: of her symptoms went away in four weeks. And had
49:15
Speaker 2: nothing to do with her hormones. It was everything to
49:17
Speaker 2: do with what was actually her living a life in
49:20
Speaker 2: an environment that wasn't appropriate for her. So this, I
49:24
Speaker 2: guess the work that we're doing it is all about
49:27
Speaker 2: the end goal is I know my body, I know
49:30
Speaker 2: how it feels, I know exactly what I need to
49:32
Speaker 2: do about it, and I'm going to take action on it.
49:34
Speaker 2: But we are so far away from that at the
49:36
Speaker 2: moment as a society. So this is what exactly, and
49:38
Speaker 2: this is not an ad this is just where I'm at.
49:41
Speaker 2: Is that if you can get personalized advice to say
49:45
Speaker 2: this is going to This is more what your body
49:47
Speaker 2: wants based off the biology that we know about it.
49:50
Speaker 2: Follow this for a few weeks and what happens to
49:54
Speaker 2: your body Because people just go off and do the
49:57
Speaker 2: next diet, They go off and do the next thing,
49:59
Speaker 2: and they're still drinking their if they're still pushing along,
50:01
Speaker 2: and it might be the wrong intervention, and that puts
50:03
Speaker 2: them into stress. And when you're stressed, you can't be
50:06
Speaker 2: mindful because stress makes you numb yourself. You can't feel
50:10
Speaker 2: yourself in stress, because that allows you to push on
50:13
Speaker 2: and carry on regardless of what's going on. So this
50:16
Speaker 2: is a massive things. I'm glad you brought it up perhaps,
50:19
Speaker 2: but the it is, it's a big one and it
50:22
Speaker 2: leaches into every part of our lives, no doubt about
50:24
Speaker 2: what I think.
50:25
Speaker 1: Also, which you're talking about too, and I hate it
50:30
Speaker 1: as much as you, which is very.
50:34
Speaker 2: At best generalized advice.
50:38
Speaker 1: That people like these high profiles, some high profile people
50:44
Speaker 1: give out as if this was purpose built for every individual.
50:48
Speaker 1: It's like, well, no, no, because if old Brian needs
50:52
Speaker 1: a handful of almonds, that's a healthy snack. But if
50:55
Speaker 1: Dave has one, he dies because he has because he
50:59
Speaker 1: has an aloge.
51:00
Speaker 2: You know.
51:01
Speaker 1: So our amen's good or bad? Well, it depends. It's
51:04
Speaker 1: penicillin good or bad. It depends.
51:07
Speaker 2: Is a low sugar diet good or bad? It depends?
51:10
Speaker 2: What about keto? It depends what about running? It depends. No,
51:16
Speaker 2: running's fucking terrible for some people. You know.
51:19
Speaker 1: Even traditional strength training is not the best option for
51:23
Speaker 1: some people. And that's coming from the weights junkie, right.
51:27
Speaker 1: And so this this thing that people would rather get
51:32
Speaker 1: advice from a people that a person've never met online
51:36
Speaker 1: who looks a certain way and speaks with confidence and
51:40
Speaker 1: tells them something they want to hear. Versus I've had
51:45
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of testing done. I've done even a
51:48
Speaker 1: little bit of n equals one stuff where I've literally,
51:52
Speaker 1: by the way, if you're listening and you're not a
51:55
Speaker 1: medical anything, If you're a bloody landscape gardener, well done,
51:59
Speaker 1: by the way, that's fun job, I think. But you
52:01
Speaker 1: can be a landscape gardener and still do your own
52:03
Speaker 1: research on you because all it means is get a diary,
52:06
Speaker 1: write down what time you go to bed, what time
52:08
Speaker 1: you get up, how you feel in the morning, how
52:10
Speaker 1: do you feel at night? And I know there's a
52:11
Speaker 1: much better process, doctor cam via pH three sixty. But
52:15
Speaker 1: as simple ways, what did you eat, when did you
52:18
Speaker 1: eat it? You know, what did you eat for breakfast, lunch,
52:20
Speaker 1: dinner or snacks?
52:22
Speaker 2: What time was that?
52:22
Speaker 1: How much booze did you have, how much coffee did
52:24
Speaker 1: you have, how much water did you have?
52:26
Speaker 2: What supplements or meds are you taking?
52:28
Speaker 1: But you can write all that down and tweak the
52:32
Speaker 1: variables and go right, I'm going to leave this all
52:34
Speaker 1: the same, but this week I'm going to have zero bread.
52:38
Speaker 1: That's just the one thing that I'm changing. And then
52:41
Speaker 1: I'll see what do I feel better, worse or the same.
52:43
Speaker 1: Did it change the way I look, feel, function, blah
52:46
Speaker 1: blah blah next week and by the way, so I
52:49
Speaker 1: felt a bit better. Great, We'll keep doing that for
52:51
Speaker 1: another week. And now we're going to add in five
52:54
Speaker 1: thousand steps today. We're going to add that in. And now,
52:57
Speaker 1: you know, so all of a sudden, we're figuring out
52:59
Speaker 1: when I do this to my body, this is the
53:01
Speaker 1: outcome for my body, or it seems to be at
53:05
Speaker 1: this point in time. And that's back to that understanding
53:08
Speaker 1: your body and health literacy on a subjective experiential level.
53:15
Speaker 1: And you think about back to your story about the Hunza.
53:18
Speaker 1: How many of those have heard of fucking diabetes?
53:22
Speaker 2: None? How many have got it? None? Why? Well, because
53:27
Speaker 2: they don't eat what we eat, and they move and
53:31
Speaker 2: they connect and that Yeah, anyway, yes, I agree, let's do.
53:36
Speaker 1: We're on a time budget because you're famous and important.
53:40
Speaker 1: Have you got one more you want to shove in?
53:42
Speaker 1: I've got one if you haven't, but it's your turn.
53:48
Speaker 1: What about, in general terms, what people put in their body?
53:52
Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking food. I'm talking old mate
53:56
Speaker 1: who has eight coffees a day, sure about old mate,
54:00
Speaker 1: or forty beers a week, or you know, like my,
54:04
Speaker 1: I don't want to stay my training partner, but fuck,
54:06
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw him under the bus because you
54:07
Speaker 1: stopped now. But Mark my training partner who used to
54:10
Speaker 1: have fucking neurofin and volta and sandwiches for lunch, I'm like, dude,
54:15
Speaker 1: you got to stop right just so, yes, of course food,
54:19
Speaker 1: but the other things as well. So let's just put
54:22
Speaker 1: it under the category of what we put in our body.
54:25
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, very good. So I like Paul Taylor's
54:31
Speaker 2: model as a general base here, which is low human intervention.
54:34
Speaker 2: I like that idea that if you can generally identify
54:38
Speaker 2: if it's been, where it's been alive, and what it
54:40
Speaker 2: was before you eat it, then you're having a wind.
54:42
Speaker 2: So and all of the research supports that if you
54:45
Speaker 2: eat junk food, all of your cells fill up with
54:49
Speaker 2: the stuff that's in that junk food, which is quite
54:52
Speaker 2: bad and it creates a whole lot of problems within
54:55
Speaker 2: your system that makes your cells age a lot faster.
54:59
Speaker 2: Sold high process so sugars and sweets and pastries.
55:03
Speaker 3: And chocolates and all of the very high sugar fat
55:09
Speaker 3: stuff deep fried foods specifically, there is a very strong
55:13
Speaker 3: correlation that the more of that you eat.
55:16
Speaker 2: The faster you die, and life is way less fun
55:20
Speaker 2: as you're eating as a result of eating those foods.
55:23
Speaker 2: As well. The second thing is putting great food into
55:29
Speaker 2: your body is fantastic. And what is that? That's going
55:32
Speaker 2: to be meats that are generally unprocessed and not with
55:36
Speaker 2: heaps of salt and lots of stomach and testine and
55:39
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff added to it, like sausages
55:41
Speaker 2: and things like that, but rather meats that you can
55:43
Speaker 2: see the mussel grain in it is generally going to
55:46
Speaker 2: be a good thing. It's plenty of EDGs, it is fruits,
55:51
Speaker 2: it is nuts and seeds and fats from good natural
55:55
Speaker 2: sauces and all those types of things. So that's pretty bad.
55:58
Speaker 2: I think if anyone was saying, hey, what are good
56:00
Speaker 2: foods and what are bad foods? Most people would know,
56:03
Speaker 2: But for time we'll move on from those. Water is
56:07
Speaker 2: probably well, I would say a lot of people know
56:09
Speaker 2: they should be hydrated, but it's hugely underrated for how
56:13
Speaker 2: people should do it and when people should do it,
56:15
Speaker 2: or that they should do it. You need a two
56:18
Speaker 2: percent drop in your hydration status to show greater signs
56:23
Speaker 2: of depression. So you're about to walk into a doctor's
56:26
Speaker 2: office and you're a bit dehydrated, and you come out,
56:30
Speaker 2: I'm feeling a bit down, I'm feeling a little less motivated.
56:33
Speaker 2: Do oh really, how long has that been going on? Will?
56:35
Speaker 2: And in that moment, you just feel bad, so you
56:37
Speaker 2: bring up all of the bad thoughts. It can truly
56:39
Speaker 2: change your treatment trajectory just by being under hydrated. So
56:43
Speaker 2: that becomes very important. Then when we look at when
56:48
Speaker 2: we look at things like medications, things that numb pain
56:52
Speaker 2: and anti inflame you. Any time that we take something
56:58
Speaker 2: that tells our body you can just keep going, even
57:02
Speaker 2: though that there was a pain there before, or even
57:04
Speaker 2: though there was inflammation there before. Anytime that we stop
57:07
Speaker 2: that process, we get in the road. That we get
57:10
Speaker 2: in the road of healing, and healing is the thing
57:13
Speaker 2: that keeps you alive. And this is where I'm going
57:14
Speaker 2: to bring in sleep, sleep and exercise very very quickly. Here. Essentially,
57:20
Speaker 2: the when you stress your body with exercise, for example,
57:24
Speaker 2: it creates damage. You need foods to repair all of
57:28
Speaker 2: that damage, and you need rest and recovery to make
57:32
Speaker 2: yourself stronger. Now it's the same thing. We wake up,
57:35
Speaker 2: we have a coffee. Even though I'm tired, I have
57:38
Speaker 2: a coffee, and the tiredness doesn't go away. It just
57:42
Speaker 2: your body lies to itself. It just says, no, you're
57:44
Speaker 2: not tired. You can carry on, and even though your
57:46
Speaker 2: body really needed more rest, you don't register it anymore,
57:49
Speaker 2: so you don't take it. And so now there's some
57:52
Speaker 2: people that can have quite a bit of coffee because
57:53
Speaker 2: they metabolize it quickly genetically, and there's no problem. But
57:57
Speaker 2: there's other people that have the same amount of coffee
57:59
Speaker 2: and because they've got a low metabolism of that particular
58:04
Speaker 2: coffee metabolism the SIP one a two gene, which doesn't
58:07
Speaker 2: matter at all, but it's in your liver, we end
58:10
Speaker 2: up with higher risk of myocardial infection, so heart attacks,
58:16
Speaker 2: higher heart attacks for coffee drinkers. But no one talks
58:18
Speaker 2: about that. At Starbucks. I said that you are fast
58:20
Speaker 2: metabolizer or a slow metabolizer. Because this coffee matters. I'm
58:23
Speaker 2: going to give you a coffee that suits your genes.
58:25
Speaker 2: We don't think about that. And the whole thing is
58:28
Speaker 2: that anytime that you're stressed, you start degrading tissues like
58:33
Speaker 2: tendons and collagen and bones, and neurophin does that it
58:37
Speaker 2: messes with your stomach like that. There's a pretty much
58:40
Speaker 2: any time that you're starting to throw in pills and
58:42
Speaker 2: potions that are masking you from pain, you are you
58:45
Speaker 2: are expediting the breakdown of your tissue, which essentially is
58:50
Speaker 2: what aging is is faster tissue degeneration or faster breakdown
58:54
Speaker 2: of your tissues of your body. And then we have
58:56
Speaker 2: things like alcohol, and the research is actually getting really
59:01
Speaker 2: really damning for alcohol, and that is in people that
59:05
Speaker 2: have never drunk, having one doesn't actually improve their health.
59:10
Speaker 2: It's it's only in people that used to drink a
59:12
Speaker 2: lot more that are now drinking moderately where there's a
59:16
Speaker 2: benefit for moderate drinking. So what I'm saying is, if
59:20
Speaker 2: you're not drinking too much, do not drink alcohol for
59:22
Speaker 2: the health benefits. Because while there may be some slight
59:26
Speaker 2: cardiovascular benefits for people that have drank a lot and
59:28
Speaker 2: then are coming down, every single drink increases your risk
59:32
Speaker 2: of cancer and it significantly decreases every sleep that you have.
59:36
Speaker 2: One drink down by nine percent, two drinks twenty four percent,
59:39
Speaker 2: three drinks forty percent of sleep quality you lose just
59:42
Speaker 2: by and sleep is the only thing. It is the
59:46
Speaker 2: most important thing after oxygen that keeps you alive. It's
59:49
Speaker 2: your ability to recover. If you don't sleep, you die
59:52
Speaker 2: really quickly, just because it's recovering and allowing you to
59:57
Speaker 2: rest and strengthen as well. So anything that messes without
1:00:00
Speaker 2: that is disastrous. Caffeine too late, We'll do the same
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Speaker 2: thing as well. That's a starting point, mate. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I read a thing the other day which I already
1:00:08
Speaker 1: knew but I'd forgotten about it that I think it's
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Speaker 1: between eighteen and twenty four hours with no sleep. Obviously
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Speaker 1: closer to twenty four hours is a bigger impact, but
1:00:22
Speaker 1: gives you the cognitive function of somebody with a blood
1:00:26
Speaker 1: alcohol reading of one point zero. So the longer, literally
1:00:31
Speaker 1: the from a functional point of view, the stupider you become.
1:00:34
Speaker 1: Your judgment gets worse, your ability to think, solve problems, speak, coordination,
1:00:40
Speaker 1: reaction time, everything degenerates through that, you know, the longer that.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know what.
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Speaker 2: Would give the average person. I guess it depends on hyghweight, body,
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Speaker 2: blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: But you know, it might be the equivalent of ten
1:00:55
Speaker 1: beers that you've got in you just because you haven't slept,
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Speaker 1: and it's yeah, and I think also go on going. No.
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Speaker 2: Where some of that research came from was with doctors
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Speaker 2: that were they would make more life ending decisions because
1:01:11
Speaker 2: they'd done more than two nights of night shift. And
1:01:13
Speaker 2: they started looking at rostering because they realized that doctors
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Speaker 2: are making terrible decisions if they weren't slept well last
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Speaker 2: time I looked.
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Speaker 1: The third leading cause last time I looked, So if
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Speaker 1: it's not this now, but it'll be closed. The third
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Speaker 1: leading cause of death death all deaths in America was
1:01:30
Speaker 1: medical fuck ups. Medical mistakes, so either patients being given
1:01:36
Speaker 1: the wrong dose the wrong medicine, surgical fuck ups.
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Speaker 2: I mean third, that's a lot. I mean that's crazy.
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Speaker 1: I think maybe in twenty two or something it was
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Speaker 1: like I think it was around half a million people
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Speaker 1: died from medical mistakes in there.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, those number.
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Speaker 1: But if you want to have a look, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: you've got to go quick, tell people about you, where
1:02:02
Speaker 1: to contact you, find you and connect.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much, always great with your alps.
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Speaker 2: The best way to do is just shave Shae Group,
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Speaker 2: Shay Group, and then doctor Cam McDonald's you'll find my page.
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Speaker 2: the stuff that we're talking about, essentially precision longevity if
1:02:22
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Speaker 1: And doctor Cam did present a new business opportunity to
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Speaker 1: the world that nobody's jumped on yet, so feel free
1:02:55
Speaker 1: to action that. And that is genetically appropriate coffee. So
1:03:01
Speaker 1: that's right. So you go in, you have a small
1:03:05
Speaker 1: assessment at a Starbucks, not a Starbucks, but you know,
1:03:08
Speaker 1: at this new chain that you're going to develop. You
1:03:10
Speaker 1: have a small assessment, you answer a few questions, and
1:03:13
Speaker 1: you go, this is your coffee.
1:03:15
Speaker 2: This is your prescription copy coffee. There it is prescription coffee. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: coffee healthcare, we love it. Yeah, perfect mate. We'll say
1:03:24
Speaker 2: goodbye Fair but as always appreciate you. Thanks for your time.
1:03:27
Speaker 2: Thanks mate, appreciate it.