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Replay: [Florida] Tamara Tucker · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to bless this message at your Cup podcast.
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Speaker 1: I'm care here, what's to do? So hast right? All right,
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Speaker 1: so we're back this week. We're actually doing a kind
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Speaker 1: of a special episode because we are going on if
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Speaker 1: you heard last week, we're talking about we're going on
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Speaker 1: a cruise. This is our first cruise. Very excited. So
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Speaker 1: we will have well, there's gonna be maybe like a
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Speaker 1: we're trying. I'm gonna try to put something out next week,
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Speaker 1: but I may just catch up on the a little
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Speaker 1: less messes that we're behind on because I'm actually going
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Speaker 1: out of town for work, so we won't be in
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Speaker 1: the same room to record. So next week there may
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Speaker 1: not be a new like one of these types of episodes.
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Speaker 2: Anyways, but we are trying to justify this to mayor
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Speaker 1: That the public anyway, So yeah, next week there won't be
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Speaker 1: a new episode with me and Stu but I might
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Speaker 1: try to do something because I can record something on
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Speaker 1: my own or just catch up on the a little
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Speaker 1: less message. So, but we are going on a cruise,
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Speaker 1: We're going to try to because I have to go
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Speaker 1: to town for work and then I'm gonna come back
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Speaker 1: and then we're going to be leaving. I only be
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Speaker 1: home like a day or two and then we're gonna
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Speaker 1: leave on the cruise. So we're going to try to
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Speaker 1: record something that evening before we head out to go
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Speaker 1: to the cruise. But we are excited if you.
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Speaker 2: We're not going to record on the cruise.
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Speaker 1: No, we're not going to record.
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Speaker 2: We're not going to do that.
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Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not spending my time on the cruise
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Speaker 1: recording an episode.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, guys, you're not that deadic.
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Speaker 1: I'm not that dead anyway. So hopefully we don't have
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Speaker 1: a gap of two weeks, but we're gonna try just
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Speaker 1: to have a gap of one week. But anyway, so
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Speaker 1: this is a special episode because we are going on
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Speaker 1: a cruise. I found a whole series on Discovery, like
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Speaker 1: Discovery Network, on the ID channel, there's Discovery app about
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Speaker 1: cruise ship killers. So, like, I didn't realize there were
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Speaker 1: so many people got murdered on cruises. I thought it
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Speaker 1: was like a pretty rare event. But they had enough
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Speaker 1: for two seasons, like twenty plus episodes per season, and
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Speaker 1: these weren't just like your typical throwing people overboard and
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Speaker 1: everything that some people were like murdered in their room.
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Speaker 1: And it's like, how do you not think you're gonna
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Speaker 1: get caught stabbing someone in your cat in your stateroom.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand that. So anyways, so we're gonna do
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Speaker 1: a special one, this one that is a cruise out
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Speaker 1: of Florida, so technically it's still in the South. But anyways,
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Speaker 1: This Mess, like us on Instagram and Facebook. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: be doing some cruise content. I'm gonna show you. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna show you, guys, how I looked at all the
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Speaker 1: different tips of packing and everything. So if you're going
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Speaker 1: on a cruise, you want to follow me on the
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Speaker 1: Instagram or the Facebook probably, and I'm gonna show you
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Speaker 1: all the little cruise packing tips I got. So when
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Speaker 1: we get there, I'll show you how I set up
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Speaker 1: our stateroom. Because we have two small children. One of
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Speaker 1: them is going to be in a pack and play
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Speaker 1: the other ones at Toddler. So I'm gonna show you
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Speaker 1: how I did that because I was I was looking
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Speaker 1: guess that's it. Stu, Yes, are you still with us?
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Speaker 2: I am with Youhanni.
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Speaker 1: All right, So with all of that, let's go ahead
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Speaker 1: and get into this week's episode. Tamara Lorraine Tucker was
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Speaker 1: born January seventeenth, nineteen sixty eight, to William and Wanda
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Speaker 1: Tucker in Rolla, Missouri. I guess unpronounced that right? Rl
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Speaker 1: La sure, Rolla. I don't know how else rolla who knows?
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Speaker 1: Who knows what these names are? And be like it's
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Speaker 1: pronounced relala.
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Speaker 2: A freaking comment somewhere.
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Speaker 1: So Tamara would have a son, Jonathan Tucker in June
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Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety one. Her passion in life was teaching
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Speaker 1: and helping with helping children that were in abusive situations.
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Speaker 1: She served as a program director at at Child Abuse
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Speaker 1: Prevention Association, where she led policy change on both I
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Speaker 1: cannot read today's story, where she led policy change on
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Speaker 1: both the state and national level and advanced child education
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Speaker 1: and support. So she's like this was her main passion
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Speaker 1: in life was helping children, try to help rescue them
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Speaker 1: from these abusive situations and then give them the resources
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Speaker 1: to be able to overcome this.
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Speaker 2: And grow up in and pass laws to help help.
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Speaker 1: Prevent and help support these kids once because you know,
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Speaker 1: we've seen it lots of times kids get pulled out
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Speaker 1: abusive situations, but then they get sent it to the
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Speaker 1: foster system and then well, I mean not all of them,
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Speaker 1: but there are people that just you hear stories all
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Speaker 1: the time about people that get the foster kids because
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Speaker 1: they get the money for fostering kids. I mean, we
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Speaker 1: have friends that foster children and they're they're absolutely wonderful
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Speaker 1: and they love the children and everything that, But there
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Speaker 1: are those cases where you hear about the foster parents
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Speaker 1: just taken in kids so they can get money and
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Speaker 1: stuff like that, and yeah, I guess or they could
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Speaker 1: be an abusive situation. I've been listening to the Karen
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Speaker 1: Slaughter books, the Will Trent series, so I have some
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Speaker 1: Really he was in the foster system, and Will Trent was,
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Speaker 1: if anyways, familiar, and I've just if anybody's read her books,
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Speaker 1: they're very dark. So I've heard horror stories about the
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Speaker 1: foster's system even though it was fictional in this I'm sure.
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Speaker 2: It happens based on some of.
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Speaker 1: It, probably based on something she's.
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Speaker 2: Some actual events that have happened.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, so she's working in this child abuse Abuse
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Speaker 1: Prevention Association. She's making all these changes and then starting
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, she became a professor for
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Speaker 1: Park University, teaching social work. Now her students loved her.
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Speaker 1: She was a favorite teacher on campus. Tamara had many
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Speaker 1: interests along with teaching. These included travel, photography, gardening, and genealogy,
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Speaker 1: just to name a few. She was she had like
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Speaker 1: a passion for life, love doing all sorts of things.
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Speaker 1: She had all sorts of hobbies. Now, she was described
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Speaker 1: as eclectic as you can imagine, even signing all of
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Speaker 1: her emails with namas day Stuart.
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Speaker 2: Oh Lord, yeah, a little Haippie type.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit. Now. She lived a very full life,
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Speaker 1: and when her son had a daughter, she embraced her
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Speaker 1: role as grandmother and doated on her granddaughter. Now, at
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Speaker 1: some point, Tamara meets Eric Newman. Eric is a heavy
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Speaker 1: equipment operator living into Peka, Kansas. Now. The two hit
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Speaker 1: it off and it is the start of a long
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Speaker 1: term relationship for Tamara. She calls Eric the love of
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Speaker 1: her life, and they seem very happy together. They were
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Speaker 1: She still lived in Missouri and he lived in Tapeka, Kansas.
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Speaker 1: I didn't look at how far those were. I think
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Speaker 1: maybe an hour away or something like that. But anyways,
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Speaker 1: they didn't live together, but they were long. They were
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Speaker 1: just kind of more of a I guess, a modern relationship.
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Speaker 1: They weren't getting married or anything, but they were. They
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Speaker 1: were together for a long time.
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Speaker 2: They were together. It sounds like they were an hour apart.
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Speaker 1: Well, they were together anyways.
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Speaker 2: On January twenty eighth or eighteenth, twenty eighteen, Tamara and
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Speaker 2: Eric had to Jacksonville, Florida to embark on a four
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Speaker 2: day cruise to the Bahamas.
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Speaker 1: That's the party cruise.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you to Carnival stuffs.
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Speaker 1: Well, oh yeah, yeah, we'll read what both they were on.
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Speaker 1: But because what I read, so we're going on a
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Speaker 1: seven day cruise and we're going on Royal Caribbean. Because
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Speaker 1: what I heard was it's not necessarily it's not necessarily
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Speaker 1: that it's Carnival or Royal Caribbean or any of them.
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Speaker 1: It's the length of the cruise you got to look at.
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Speaker 1: So like, just because it's Carnival, a seven day cruise
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Speaker 1: on a Carnival is gonna be a lot more tame
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Speaker 1: than a three or four day cruise on a Carnival
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Speaker 1: or Royal Caribbean. Because it's the group of people. You're
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Speaker 1: gonna get young people that maybe can't afford a full
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Speaker 1: seven day one or have a short period of time
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Speaker 1: like a weekend, and they're on the booze cruise. They're
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Speaker 1: going for it, you know. But the seven day one
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Speaker 1: you might get, especially if you get into like ten
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Speaker 1: day or fourteen day they say, it's a bunch of
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Speaker 1: like old people on the ship.
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Speaker 2: That's what you get to well, these young people have
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Speaker 2: bought the drink package. You can drink not to mention
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Speaker 2: that get the money right.
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Speaker 1: Well, not to mention we learn because of the whole
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Speaker 1: drink package thing. They say cruises are it seems like
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Speaker 1: cruises are inexpensive, but they're not because then you got
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Speaker 1: to pay for the drink package. Well, you have to
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Speaker 1: pay for everybody in your cabin, and you have to
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Speaker 1: pay for it every single day, even port days. So
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Speaker 1: if you're a younger person that maybe's like in your
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Speaker 1: twenties or whatever that's want to go party, you can't
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Speaker 1: afford seven days for a drink package for two people
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Speaker 1: was like eleven or twelve hundred dollars. It's like ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: So a short one four days. You only have to
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Speaker 1: pay for four days of the boot of the alcohol
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Speaker 1: package and.
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Speaker 2: It's usually only one or two parts in there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so so they're definitely on like the more of
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Speaker 1: the booze cruise party.
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Speaker 2: She is eclectic, she has eclectic.
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Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that either. I mean she's wrong woman, go.
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Speaker 2: Have fun, nah, I guess, but I mean I don't
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Speaker 2: know if my lever.
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Speaker 1: Case, oh I know at that age, yes.
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Speaker 2: She's she's fifty, trying to drink her weight.
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Speaker 1: Well, we don't know, we don't know her drinking her tolerance. Yeah, anyways, anyway,
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Speaker 1: I was just going to share that what I learned
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Speaker 1: about the cruise lifestyle.
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Speaker 2: Why, thank you? Okay, are you going to anyway? Yes,
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Speaker 2: I did lose my spot. They were on their way
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Speaker 2: to celebrate Tamara's fiftieth birthday and this was a gift
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Speaker 2: from Tamara's parents. The cruise was the Carnival Elation and
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Speaker 2: the ship Carnival Ship holds almost twenty two hundred guests
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Speaker 2: and nine hundred crew members. It was built in nineteen
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Speaker 2: ninety eight, so it's not as large as some of
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Speaker 2: those ones you see on Mighty cruise ship shows that
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Speaker 2: Stu may watch.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been watching them, Moneys. We're going on the
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Speaker 1: We're going on the Oas, one of the Oasis class
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Speaker 1: ships from Royal Caribbeans. So those are the really big ships.
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Speaker 2: One of the ones that holds approximately five thousand people.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so if we go down, we're making the news.
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Speaker 1: People for ship goes down.
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Speaker 2: Really, I think any cruise ship that sanks will make
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Speaker 2: the news.
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Speaker 1: Well, I started reading about cruise ships sinking and stuff,
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Speaker 1: and they said that they're so large now, these really
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Speaker 1: big ones, that you could evacuate everybody by the time
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Speaker 1: if it did start sinking, like it's not it's going
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Speaker 1: to take so long to sink, you could actually evacuate everybody.
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Speaker 2: We will see in case it has toad. Anyway, the
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Speaker 2: Carnival Elation is operating in the day. In case you're
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Speaker 2: one of those weirdos that likes to go.
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Speaker 1: It is operating today.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that's what I just said.
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Speaker 1: Oh did I put that in there?
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Speaker 2: No, I looked it up.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well I looked it up too. It is operating today.
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Speaker 1: I think they're working out a floor right now. Right now,
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Speaker 1: Well not today, But when I wrote this, I wanted
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Speaker 1: to see. I mean, it's just weird that somebody. But
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Speaker 1: there's lots of cruise ship that people died on and
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Speaker 1: they're still out there, just chugging around.
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Speaker 2: They cost a lot of day of money to build.
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Speaker 2: You can't just shut one down just because somebody died
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Speaker 2: on it.
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Speaker 1: I know some of these were like on our mighty
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Speaker 1: cruise ship we were watching like a billion dollars.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they got to operate for quite some time to
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Speaker 2: get their money, right, Okay. Anyway, Tamara is very excited
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Speaker 2: about the cruise because her job she deals with heavy
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Speaker 2: things such as child abuse, social work, just all the
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Speaker 2: ins and outs. I mean, I can't even imagine. It's
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Speaker 2: kind of like first responders. You can get to see
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Speaker 2: how this crap happening there in the day.
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Speaker 1: It's just a lot.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of stuff going on.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't I couldn't do that job. Or they say,
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Speaker 1: the other really bad job is the one the people
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Speaker 1: that have to do the image checks on like Google,
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Speaker 1: that sit in a room and have anything that's flagged
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Speaker 1: have to look at it. Oh yeah, and they said
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Speaker 1: that that people don't last very long in that job.
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Speaker 2: Now you see some messed up stuff, I'm sure.
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Speaker 1: Because there's people getting murdered, people doing things to animals,
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Speaker 1: probably child.
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Speaker 2: Abuse, all sorts of war, and all kinds of weird
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Speaker 2: stuff that people are trying to put on the internet. Anyway, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so based on her job, she's excited to go on
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Speaker 2: this cruise. Laugh them at all. So they board the
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Speaker 2: crewise her and Eric, and they check out all the
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Speaker 2: ship pass to offer. Now, since it was Tamara's birthday,
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Speaker 2: the ship did make sure that her time was very special.
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Speaker 2: They eat dinner that evening, and then they head to
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Speaker 2: one of the party areas where they can drink, dance,
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Speaker 2: and watch them entertainment.
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Speaker 1: Not strippers do, okay.
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Speaker 2: Now, there's no strippers on these now. After quite a
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Speaker 2: bit of drinking, at around eleven thirty PM, Tabara decides
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Speaker 2: that she's tired, so she heads up to the room,
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Speaker 2: leaving Eric at the lounge to continue drinking and enjoying
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Speaker 2: his evening. That's a red flag.
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Speaker 1: Why is it a red flag? They're on a ship.
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Speaker 1: If I left, if you I was done drinking and
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Speaker 1: I left you and I was like I'm tired, and
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Speaker 1: you were like I'm gonna hang out for and have
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Speaker 1: another drink or Job'll be like.
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Speaker 2: Okay, why why on this cruise ship with all these
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Speaker 2: weird people that you don't know?
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Speaker 1: No, but why, I wouldn't think anything of it if
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Speaker 1: I was to leave and be like, hey, Stue, I'm tired.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go up and go to bed, and you're like, hey, ye,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna finish my drinking. I'll meet you up there
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Speaker 1: and be like.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, what are you gonna do by yourself?
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Speaker 1: Drinking people please, used to sit in bars all the
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Speaker 1: time and drink by yourself.
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Speaker 2: I didn't have no one to be home to though.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I appreciate you'd want to go up to
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Speaker 1: go to the bedroom with me. I appreciate your dedication
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Speaker 1: to me.
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying if I was going to go to
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Speaker 2: bed and you're like, yeah, I'm gonna be down here drinking,
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Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh that's fishy.
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Speaker 1: M really yeah, Okay.
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Speaker 2: You end up in one of them rooms with pineapple
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Speaker 2: on the door or something.
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Speaker 1: I know, I did read that like we got like decorations.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna surprise the kids and like, I know
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Speaker 1: they're little, but I just go overboard anyway, so you
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Speaker 1: might I was gonna deck shut up stew Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: I walked right into that one. Anyways, I decorated thing,
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Speaker 1: but everybody was like in the cruise group, I mean,
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Speaker 1: was like, don't put pineapples on your door because apparently
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Speaker 1: it's a real thing. The swingers.
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Speaker 2: I told you. I've told you plenty of times.
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Speaker 1: Anyways, so I don't.
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Speaker 2: Anyways, I don't.
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Speaker 1: Put pineapples outside your house either. I did buy that
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Speaker 1: pineapple light for our other house. I bought that outdoor
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Speaker 1: pineapple light, and there was.
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Speaker 2: A bunch of people starting knocking on our doorway to
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Speaker 2: take it out. Anyways, Anyways, now, sometime past midnight, when
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Speaker 2: they were about thirty nine aicle miles from Florida, Eric
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Speaker 2: and crew members make a horrific discovery. Tamara's lifeless body
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Speaker 2: is found on the eleventh deck and it appeared that
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Speaker 2: she had fallen from their fourteenth deck balcony.
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Speaker 1: Medical personnel from the ship arrive on scene. They attempt
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Speaker 1: to save Tamara, but it was just too late. She
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Speaker 1: was already gone. The medical team pulls Tamara's blood and
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Speaker 1: is measured to be at point two two percent, which
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Speaker 1: everybody knows around here the legal limit for driving is
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Speaker 1: point eight percent, So point.
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Speaker 2: Two two is like she's smashed.
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Speaker 1: She's yeah, she's schlitz, which there's nothing wrong with that.
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Speaker 1: She's in a controlled environment, she's not driving like whatever.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure we've all been there, I'm sure you have.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Experts say that at this point Tamara would have blurred
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Speaker 1: vision from this this most people would have this type
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Speaker 1: of reaction. This blurred vision and an inability to stand
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Speaker 1: on her own. Now, blackouts could even occur at this level. Now,
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Speaker 1: looking back at the amount that they were served, it
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Speaker 1: came up to twenty one drinks between the two of
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Speaker 1: them in a four hour period. I don't know who
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Speaker 1: drank what, but twenty one drinks between two people in
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Speaker 1: four hours.
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Speaker 2: That's a lot.
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Speaker 1: That's a lot. Now, due to being in international waters,
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Speaker 1: the closest officials were called in and this is the
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Speaker 1: Central Detective Unit from Grand Bahama. Now the officials are
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Speaker 1: looking at the options as to what could have possibly
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Speaker 1: happened to Tamara. This could have been an accident, a suicide,
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Speaker 1: or someone pushing her overboard.
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Speaker 2: Stuart, Hmmm, that's what you're gonna do.
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Speaker 1: To me now, Looking you're the one that said that
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Speaker 1: I was going overboard.
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Speaker 2: I said you might. You said you were going overboard.
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Speaker 2: I said you might.
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Speaker 1: Everybody, if I don't make it back from this, do
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Speaker 1: not listen to this podcast with Stuart's new wife, that
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Speaker 1: he can my girlfriend or fiance, that he continues this.
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Speaker 1: He's like, in loving memory of Kara, we're going to
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Speaker 1: continue on by covering her murder.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that.
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Speaker 1: This this podcast would blow up if one of us
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Speaker 1: got murdered. To who wants to take one for.
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Speaker 2: The tea, not me, I wouldn't be able to enjoy
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Speaker 2: the revenue.
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Speaker 1: Now, looking at Stewart, you should really just be generous
17:12
Speaker 1: and I can shove you overboard. Now, looking at it
17:16
Speaker 1: from an accident standpoint, while Tamara was highly intoxicated, the
17:20
Speaker 1: railings on cruise ships are designed to prevent people from
17:23
Speaker 1: accidentally falling over them. Now, by law, cruise ship railings
17:26
Speaker 1: must be forty two inches tall, with a three inch
17:29
Speaker 1: variants allowed, meaning it could be as short as thirty
17:31
Speaker 1: nine inches or as tall as forty five inches. Now,
17:34
Speaker 1: Tamara would have needed to intentionally climb on top of
17:37
Speaker 1: the railing to fall over. Now investigators need to look
17:40
Speaker 1: at it as a possibility. Although falling over a relling
17:43
Speaker 1: on a cruise ship is rare, but it does happen,
17:46
Speaker 1: so they say. Whenever they had the experts that I
17:50
Speaker 1: watched through in this, they said, it's just very difficult
17:52
Speaker 1: to accidentally follow. You have to really be like climbing
17:56
Speaker 1: up on top of the railing.
17:57
Speaker 2: So doing something stupid, yeah, stupid.
18:00
Speaker 1: But with the point too too alcohol blood alcohol content.
18:04
Speaker 1: People do stupid things all the time, Yes they do.
18:08
Speaker 1: There's a whole industry in Vegas based on them. Y, it's.
18:12
Speaker 2: Called wedding chat. Yes, So then they started looking at
18:17
Speaker 2: an intentional jump suicide of some sort. So they looking
18:21
Speaker 2: to Tamara's past to see if there were any warning
18:24
Speaker 2: signs or previous suicide attempts. She had never tried to
18:28
Speaker 2: commit suicide in the past, and she had never mentioned
18:30
Speaker 2: feeling hopeless to friends or family. She had a love
18:34
Speaker 2: for life and excellent relationships with friends, students, and family members.
18:39
Speaker 2: So none of these were any signs of pointing to
18:42
Speaker 2: Tamara Bean suicidal.
18:44
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it doesn't mean like someone's always displays,
18:47
Speaker 1: but usually there's some sort of indication that this would
18:52
Speaker 1: have suicidal tendencies or something like that.
18:55
Speaker 2: I have tendencies.
18:57
Speaker 1: That's a band, right, yes, okay, the band.
18:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a couple other albums.
19:01
Speaker 1: Okay.
19:02
Speaker 2: Anyway, they quickly rule this out as an option as
19:06
Speaker 2: to what happened to Tamara.
19:08
Speaker 1: Now, investigators interview Eric to see if he saw something
19:11
Speaker 1: or saw someone following Tamara. He tells the police that
19:14
Speaker 1: he left about twenty minutes after Tamara. He then entered
19:17
Speaker 1: the room and looked over the rally and saw Tamara
19:21
Speaker 1: lying several decks down, so he goes in, can't find her,
19:23
Speaker 1: goes out to the balcony looking. It happens to look
19:26
Speaker 1: overboard and then he sees her. He then runs down
19:29
Speaker 1: to go to help her see if she's still alive.
19:32
Speaker 1: He told investigators he saw no one suspicious that evening
19:35
Speaker 1: around Tamara. This is where he made a mistake.
19:38
Speaker 2: He should have said people.
19:40
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now there is little to no more information to
19:43
Speaker 1: get out of Eric, so they release him. Tamara's body
19:46
Speaker 1: undergoes an autopsy. It was determined that she died from
19:49
Speaker 1: blunt force trauma due to the fall. Since she was
19:53
Speaker 1: an American citizen, the Grand Bahaman Bahaman Bohemian Bohemian Bahaman,
20:00
Speaker 1: the government turns over the investigation to the FBI. Now
20:03
Speaker 1: this isn't a requirement, but they said, I read in
20:06
Speaker 1: like the cruise ship situations like this most of the time.
20:10
Speaker 1: The other ones are just like here, the FBI, we
20:12
Speaker 1: don't want to do this, Okay, take it now. Tamara's
20:16
Speaker 1: body is sent back to the United States. Her family
20:19
Speaker 1: and Eric are grieving the loss of Tamara. Eric starts
20:22
Speaker 1: posting many times on his social media about losing love
20:25
Speaker 1: his life. Starts a whole Facebook page dedicated to Sarah's
20:29
Speaker 1: Sarah Jesus.
20:30
Speaker 2: Christ is with you, Sarah.
20:34
Speaker 1: I told you I've been reading the Will Trent books.
20:36
Speaker 1: That's Sarah Linton. I mean, I've been in these books
20:40
Speaker 1: to it. That's all I've I've been listening to the audiobooks.
20:43
Speaker 1: That's all I've listened to. The last like how many
20:45
Speaker 1: ever days, I've foregone any podcast or anything, and I've
20:48
Speaker 1: just been like listened to him. So Sarah Tamara at
20:52
Speaker 1: least it rhymes. So he's he creates a Facebook page
20:57
Speaker 1: dedicated to Tamara's life, so people are going on there
20:59
Speaker 1: and interacting with people all the time. Like he's really
21:02
Speaker 1: into this like social media persona of himself as the
21:06
Speaker 1: Green I don't know, he's just like really really into
21:11
Speaker 1: like posting about how upset he is about Tamra and
21:14
Speaker 1: everything that and interacting with strangers. Because obviously someone dies
21:18
Speaker 1: on a cruise ship, it's going to make the news.
21:20
Speaker 1: So then there's always people that are going to be
21:22
Speaker 1: have like this, you know, people that won't want to
21:24
Speaker 1: reach out and like I'm so sorry. And he's like
21:27
Speaker 1: he's like in instick.
21:28
Speaker 2: Same people that write the Prisoners and all that other stuff.
21:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I don't know if it's the same people,
21:34
Speaker 1: but well, not.
21:34
Speaker 2: The same people, but the same type of mentality.
21:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, or like people want.
21:38
Speaker 2: To like celebrities that like, I'm going to write this
21:41
Speaker 2: letter to this so and so and maybe they'll see
21:43
Speaker 2: it and we'll live happily.
21:44
Speaker 1: Ever after No, I don't know. That's not even remotely closed.
21:47
Speaker 1: Just some people feel some people some people feel very
21:50
Speaker 1: empathetic to other people. I'm not I have a hard
21:54
Speaker 1: time with that. But they have empathy and they want
21:58
Speaker 1: to reach out to somebody and tell him how sorry
21:59
Speaker 1: they are that they lost a loved one and everything
22:02
Speaker 1: like that. So this same it's not the same people
22:06
Speaker 1: that are writing to prisoners.
22:07
Speaker 2: Well after this, praise y'all. Do not have to write
22:10
Speaker 2: to me when I'm dead or missing.
22:14
Speaker 1: Don't you haven't decided how you're gonna how it's gonna
22:18
Speaker 1: play out.
22:19
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what could happened in Okay.
22:23
Speaker 2: Tamara's family continued to wait for results from the investigation.
22:26
Speaker 2: The FBI was conducting a medical examiner in the US
22:30
Speaker 2: completed in another optop so you to look for any
22:32
Speaker 2: signs of foul play, and the results, according to them,
22:36
Speaker 2: were eye opening. Because Tamara had signs of being strangled
22:40
Speaker 2: prior to fall into our death.
22:43
Speaker 1: I think this is why they release these some of
22:46
Speaker 1: these smaller islands. I mean, obviously they're not going to
22:48
Speaker 1: have as many resources as say the FBI or a
22:52
Speaker 1: larger country does with in terms of investigation. So it's
22:55
Speaker 1: a good thing that they do say, you know what,
22:57
Speaker 1: we might not be able to handle this the best,
22:59
Speaker 1: and they handed over were to the FBI, who was
23:02
Speaker 1: able to figure this out, because otherwise it would have
23:04
Speaker 1: just been she fell and that's it. You know, there
23:07
Speaker 1: was no other evidence than anything bad happened.
23:09
Speaker 2: Plus, why would you want to spend your country's resources
23:12
Speaker 2: and money on investigations when you can hand it off
23:15
Speaker 2: to the hotel?
23:15
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and there's no point where like we're trying
23:17
Speaker 1: to like live our lives in paradise.
23:20
Speaker 2: We're trying to make money and we don't want to
23:22
Speaker 2: be spending it on investigating. Yeah you're citizens, Yeah, how
23:25
Speaker 2: about you with that?
23:26
Speaker 1: Yeah.
23:28
Speaker 2: So basically what this means is her death was no accident.
23:32
Speaker 2: So the family isn't shocked. Police believe Eric is responsible,
23:37
Speaker 2: but they only knew the couple as being very happy.
23:41
Speaker 2: He had been in constant contact with Tamara's family after
23:45
Speaker 2: her death, telling them that he missed her so much
23:48
Speaker 2: and that she was the love of his life.
23:50
Speaker 1: Yeah again, they said they were just he was just
23:52
Speaker 1: caught like still like they had been together, you know,
23:54
Speaker 1: a decade. So he was still reaching out to the
23:57
Speaker 1: family saying, Oh my god, am I supposed to go
23:59
Speaker 1: on with doubt her? She's living my life and he's
24:01
Speaker 1: doing all this Facebook stuff, social media stuff, saying how
24:05
Speaker 1: much he loved her. I mean, yeah, doth protest too much? Yes?
24:11
Speaker 2: What happens if you don't protest at all? Oh that sucks.
24:16
Speaker 2: I gotta go to work.
24:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you can't. You gotta get the happy medium.
24:20
Speaker 1: Otherwise you look guilty.
24:23
Speaker 2: You're gonna look guilty regardless of Yeah.
24:25
Speaker 1: Cool.
24:25
Speaker 2: I don't think there is a happy medium, because somebody's always.
24:27
Speaker 1: Gonna be like the husband always did it.
24:30
Speaker 2: You just ain't quiet enough.
24:31
Speaker 1: The husband always did it?
24:32
Speaker 2: Did he?
24:33
Speaker 1: Yes?
24:34
Speaker 2: What if it was the boyfriend?
24:35
Speaker 1: The boyfriend always did it? Shut up stew Jesus.
24:39
Speaker 2: Now, based on the evidence they collected the night of
24:42
Speaker 2: the murder, Eric is the only one who could have
24:45
Speaker 2: had access to Tamara and a motive to Harmer. On
24:49
Speaker 2: September fifth, twenty eighteen, they arrest him and charge him
24:52
Speaker 2: with second degree murder. He denies the allegations, but they
24:57
Speaker 2: get him anyway, and he posts fifty thousand DOS bond
25:02
Speaker 2: and gets out of.
25:04
Speaker 1: Jail to go back to his social media go.
25:07
Speaker 2: Back to his social media post.
25:09
Speaker 1: Now, due to the murder occurring offshore, the case is
25:12
Speaker 1: taken by federal prosecutors who begin building the case against
25:16
Speaker 1: Eric now and looking into his past, there are several
25:19
Speaker 1: red flags that he is a violent man. Now. In total,
25:23
Speaker 1: they find four misdemeanor convictions from Kansas from two thousand
25:26
Speaker 1: to twenty thirteen. Three of those involved an ex fiancee
25:31
Speaker 1: and an ex wife where he had strangled them in
25:34
Speaker 1: some way. So this is like, and this is happening
25:37
Speaker 1: while this is happening while Tamara and Eric are together,
25:42
Speaker 1: that he's that he's convicted of these things. But I'm
25:45
Speaker 1: telling they seem to live they work together, but they
25:49
Speaker 1: live separate lives almost you know that he's an hour
25:51
Speaker 1: or however far Topeka was from where she was. They
25:54
Speaker 1: weren't living together in this It wasn't a typical relationship
25:59
Speaker 1: where you might be aware of stuff like this. It
26:01
Speaker 1: was like a long distance relationship and long distance man
26:04
Speaker 1: they can get rid of, get away with a lot
26:06
Speaker 1: of shit. You know.
26:07
Speaker 2: It sounds like having friends, fiances and wives and well,
26:11
Speaker 2: I mean these.
26:11
Speaker 1: Were extances and ex wives. I don't think he was
26:13
Speaker 1: with I think he like met up with them at
26:15
Speaker 1: this time and attacked him or something like that. So now,
26:18
Speaker 1: when the family learned about his past, they were in disbelief.
26:21
Speaker 1: They had never heard of Eric doing anything violent to Tamara.
26:25
Speaker 1: So please are not sure if Eric had a period
26:26
Speaker 1: where he was not violent and snapped, or if Tamara's
26:29
Speaker 1: family was just unaware of his abuse, because they did say,
26:33
Speaker 1: you know, while Tamara worked with people that were like
26:36
Speaker 1: children that were abused and like things like that, it's
26:39
Speaker 1: not uncommon for someone who works in that to advocate
26:42
Speaker 1: for other people. Has it happened to them? And they
26:45
Speaker 1: might be ashamed or embarrassed to say anything because they're like, well,
26:49
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm out here telling all these women and
26:51
Speaker 1: children and stuff what they need to do if they're
26:53
Speaker 1: in an abusive relationship. And here I am in an
26:56
Speaker 1: abusive relationship and not wanting to get out or can't
26:58
Speaker 1: get out or whatever. It is, and no, there could be.
27:02
Speaker 1: I mean they don't know. They're just saying it could
27:04
Speaker 1: have been. He could have been violent. They find it
27:06
Speaker 1: odd that he just went from not being violent at
27:08
Speaker 1: all with Tamara, but he was still having violent episodes
27:12
Speaker 1: with other people during this time that she didn't wasn't
27:15
Speaker 1: on the receiving end at some point of this of
27:17
Speaker 1: his behavior. Maybe it wasn't as severe. I don't know,
27:21
Speaker 1: but or maybe she was just ashamed to talk about it,
27:23
Speaker 1: or it.
27:23
Speaker 2: Was just verbal and no physical stuff.
27:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't know. Or it could have been. He
27:27
Speaker 1: could have been the greatest guy with her. And then
27:29
Speaker 1: I mean, look at freaking BTK. His wife said he
27:32
Speaker 1: was great. He's out there murdering people left and right,
27:36
Speaker 1: so it could have been something like that and she
27:37
Speaker 1: didn't even know.
27:38
Speaker 2: He just gets his frustrations out killing other people or
27:41
Speaker 2: smacking them around.
27:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, they come home and it's like when he sees Tamara,
27:44
Speaker 1: he's just happy and like he also had the option of,
27:47
Speaker 1: you know, they live, they didn't live together. He could
27:49
Speaker 1: have let you know, things like that.
27:51
Speaker 2: Now, with evidence stacking up against him, Eric decides he's
27:55
Speaker 2: going to play guilty. On December nineteen, twenty nineteen to
27:59
Speaker 2: one count of second degree murder. He has sent us
28:02
Speaker 2: to twelve years in prison with five years of probation
28:05
Speaker 2: in federal prison.
28:07
Speaker 1: I think he saw the writing on the wall, because
28:09
Speaker 1: I do I believe there were I thought someone that
28:13
Speaker 1: one of the shows had mentioned there were cameras. I
28:15
Speaker 1: couldn't find it. There wasn't a lot of information about this,
28:17
Speaker 1: besides in the cruise ship Killers no episode, So but uh,
28:23
Speaker 1: there would have been cameras I believe in on those
28:25
Speaker 1: ships because this is twenty eighteen, and they would have
28:28
Speaker 1: showed him as the only person who entered the room.
28:30
Speaker 1: I mean, like it was all a question as to
28:33
Speaker 1: that that autopsy is really what did he meant? Because
28:35
Speaker 1: before they could there was no proof that he pushed
28:38
Speaker 1: her she was They just said she's drug and she
28:40
Speaker 1: fell over. They knew he was the only one that
28:42
Speaker 1: went in the room. But once they found out that
28:44
Speaker 1: they knew he was only in the room and she
28:46
Speaker 1: was strangled, So that I mean, like his.
28:48
Speaker 2: Lawyers cameras in the hallway would have.
28:50
Speaker 1: Been like, yeah, that was They knew he was the
28:53
Speaker 1: only one that had gone in the room. They just
28:54
Speaker 1: didn't know was it an accident that she had already
28:57
Speaker 1: fallen or was it him doing that? And thankfully that
29:00
Speaker 1: autopsy revealed that, so he saw his lawyers are probably like, dude,
29:03
Speaker 1: you ain't getting away with this.
29:04
Speaker 2: They're going to play it out. You're going to forty
29:07
Speaker 2: years because.
29:08
Speaker 1: You're going to federal prison. This isn't like state prison.
29:12
Speaker 1: This is federal prison.
29:14
Speaker 2: I'm sure they all suck.
29:15
Speaker 1: I know they also, But I've heard federal prison is worse.
29:18
Speaker 2: Well, I've heard stories about saying Quentin and Angola.
29:20
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to be particularly bad.
29:23
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to be in those either.
29:24
Speaker 1: I think those are particularly bad ones. But I've heard
29:27
Speaker 1: federal prison is worse, or maybe federal prison is nicer.
29:29
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who's been in the two.
29:32
Speaker 2: Could you please let us know or not? I don't
29:34
Speaker 2: know if I want what you want to know?
29:37
Speaker 1: They might be listening in their JEL sales right now.
29:40
Speaker 1: Stew I've have podcasts on the Stuart we what were
29:43
Speaker 1: we watching that said that what they had available? We
29:47
Speaker 1: were watching something or something. It was all about everything
29:49
Speaker 1: they got, like iPads and all sorts of things in prison.
29:52
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, somebody did have an iPad.
29:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were. It was something, and it was a
29:56
Speaker 1: really terrible person too. It wasn't like one of these
29:59
Speaker 1: like drug offens things. It was like a real bad
30:01
Speaker 1: person and he had access to iPads. And so, yeah,
30:05
Speaker 1: there might be some listeners out there in prison.
30:08
Speaker 2: Well they are not contacting, and says of.
30:10
Speaker 1: Yet, Well we did remember we covered that one where
30:14
Speaker 1: the lady was married to the guy and he would
30:17
Speaker 1: write her letters and then she would put it out
30:20
Speaker 1: on his blog.
30:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I knew the girl that was in the
30:29
Speaker 2: lily Lid.
30:31
Speaker 1: Okay, anyways, we're going somewhere anyway.
30:36
Speaker 2: Okay, So anyway, Eric plaid out, but he didn't say
30:39
Speaker 2: what happened, so prosecutors were left to speculate as to
30:42
Speaker 2: what happened. And so what they're figuring out is they
30:47
Speaker 2: start off, they start off, everything's going great. First night
30:52
Speaker 2: on the ship or whatever it is. Second night, they're
30:55
Speaker 2: getting drunk, way too many, going down, going down too fast,
30:59
Speaker 2: and something is. Eric gets triggered and he follows Tamara
31:03
Speaker 2: back to the room shortly after she left the lound.
31:06
Speaker 1: Maybe it was her wanting to leave. You know, you
31:08
Speaker 1: never know what these guys because a lot of guys,
31:10
Speaker 1: they say, you know, aren't violent until they get they
31:12
Speaker 1: start drinking, then all of a sudden they snap. It
31:14
Speaker 1: could have been her saying I want to go to bed,
31:16
Speaker 1: I'm tired, and him getting pissed off about that. It
31:19
Speaker 1: could have been something as simple as that, that they
31:22
Speaker 1: these guys that are abusive. That just sets them off
31:25
Speaker 1: for no reason.
31:27
Speaker 2: What do you know about that? What you've read? Yes,
31:32
Speaker 2: he's kind of like an expert.
31:33
Speaker 1: Well that's maybe I am Stuart, Maybe I am Maybe
31:36
Speaker 1: I know it all. Maybe I'm Bethany Frankel and I
31:39
Speaker 1: know it all. Oh, she knows it all. You want
31:43
Speaker 1: to know any of it?
31:43
Speaker 2: Go to her anyway. Prosecutors speculate that while in the room,
31:50
Speaker 2: they get into an argument, he snaps starts strangling Tomara.
31:55
Speaker 2: He then pushes her out onto the balcony and then
31:58
Speaker 2: eventually over the balcony. He then runs down to the
32:01
Speaker 2: eleventh floor, pretending to be surprised to find her because
32:05
Speaker 2: he was supposedly in the lounge. Still, he went back
32:11
Speaker 2: to the room, saw and then went back down. Yeah, anyway,
32:14
Speaker 2: however you slice that, the story sounds full of crap,
32:18
Speaker 2: But anyway, that was the speculation. That the prosecutors had
32:21
Speaker 2: as to what actually happened, since Eric was not with
32:25
Speaker 2: anything that happened.
32:27
Speaker 1: Now, Tamara's family does not want her to be remembered
32:30
Speaker 1: for the way that she died, rather for the for
32:33
Speaker 1: the people she spent her life helping. They are pushing
32:36
Speaker 1: lawmakers to create a database similar to the sex offender database,
32:39
Speaker 1: but for domestic violence offenders, which I think is a
32:41
Speaker 1: good thing. Yeah, if you have if you're a violence
32:47
Speaker 1: domestic violent person or whatever, so you can look him
32:51
Speaker 1: up on the Yeah, you can, just like sex offenders.
32:53
Speaker 1: I mean, why wouldn't you want to know that someone
32:55
Speaker 1: has like beat his wife or something and you can
32:57
Speaker 1: look him up on a database and know that he's
32:58
Speaker 1: been charged at least.
32:59
Speaker 2: There's so what if federal law makes like if you
33:03
Speaker 2: got a dating profile that you can just click at
33:07
Speaker 2: their link.
33:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be in the link. The sex offender
33:10
Speaker 1: database and the domestic violence database should be in the
33:13
Speaker 1: dating profiles right there, automatically required to be linked, so
33:18
Speaker 1: you can see.
33:19
Speaker 2: They see a lot of people out on the dating side.
33:22
Speaker 1: More so, I think that's a great thing to be
33:24
Speaker 1: advocating for.
33:26
Speaker 2: Now.
33:26
Speaker 1: They say that this would have allowed Tamara or her
33:28
Speaker 1: family to see Eric's violent pass prior to her starting
33:31
Speaker 1: relationship with him, so she might have seen it, or
33:33
Speaker 1: her family could have looked him up and seen that
33:35
Speaker 1: Tamara might have been if he was abusive to Tamara
33:38
Speaker 1: during the time, they could have seen that who he
33:40
Speaker 1: was and said, you know, intervened and tried to get
33:43
Speaker 1: her out of that situation. Now, Eric Dwayne Newman is
33:46
Speaker 1: currently serving out his sentence in uh this is FCI
33:50
Speaker 1: set's Federal Corrections Institute Institute.
33:52
Speaker 2: I think I would thank so somebody would research that.
33:56
Speaker 1: FCI Williamsburg in South Carolina. He is scheduled to be
34:01
Speaker 1: released on September fifteenth, twenty thirty.
34:04
Speaker 2: So shortly, yeah, seven years. Shortly.
34:11
Speaker 1: He's not been This happened in twenty eighteen. He hadn't
34:12
Speaker 1: even been in jail that long.
34:14
Speaker 2: He got twelve years.
34:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got seven more.
34:18
Speaker 2: Knocking him down.
34:19
Speaker 1: Well, he'll be what twelve, he'll be sixty two or
34:23
Speaker 1: some somewhere around in there. He was like fifty or
34:25
Speaker 1: fifty five, I think. Anyways, So now because I got
34:30
Speaker 1: interested in since we're going on a cruise, I usually
34:33
Speaker 1: get overly interested in things like that or like if
34:37
Speaker 1: we're going to go do something. So then I start
34:38
Speaker 1: looking up things. I'm sure all of you are like
34:40
Speaker 1: that as well. You just like you're like, let me
34:42
Speaker 1: go down the rabbit hole. So I know how to
34:44
Speaker 1: pack for a cruise. Now, we've watched the mighty cruise ships.
34:48
Speaker 1: We watched the one that go to Antarctica.
34:50
Speaker 2: It's probably how I ended up going on a cruise.
34:52
Speaker 2: We're watching mighty cruise ships before then.
34:54
Speaker 1: Anyways, I've been looking at all the cruise ships. So
34:56
Speaker 1: I found some creepy facts about cruises to that I
34:58
Speaker 1: was going to share with everybody, things I found surprising. Now,
35:02
Speaker 1: there was a study published in the International Journal of Travel,
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Speaker 1: Medicine and Global Health found that there were six hundred
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Speaker 1: and twenty three reported deaths on cruise ships between two
35:12
Speaker 1: thousand and twenty nineteen. I find that number high globally.
35:16
Speaker 2: I don't think that's that high globally dead, just dead and.
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Speaker 1: Twenty three deaths. Now, the study concluded that for passengers,
35:24
Speaker 1: falls were the most common cause of cruise deaths, followed
35:27
Speaker 1: by cardiac arrests and suicides. Now, for crew members, suicide, murder,
35:32
Speaker 1: and falls were the leading cause of death. So they
35:34
Speaker 1: had suicides them cruise just murdering each other were the
35:38
Speaker 1: global Okay, whatever, and you don't find it.
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Speaker 2: Short nineteen years. No, that's not that, man.
35:43
Speaker 1: I thought one or two people died on a cruise ship.
35:45
Speaker 1: It's like people getting killed by a blimp. It's like
35:47
Speaker 1: one a year or something. I didn't realize it was
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Speaker 1: six hundred and twenty three. I guess, Okay, fine, then
35:52
Speaker 1: whatever' stu? Fine, okay, fine, Let me move on to
35:55
Speaker 1: the next fact I found on this is better. Cruise
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Speaker 1: ships are legally required to carry body bags and maintain
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Speaker 1: a morgue. They typically have space for three or four bodies,
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Speaker 1: depending on the size of the ship. That's creepy.
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Speaker 2: It's called a walking cooler.
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Speaker 1: No, no, I sent you, potato. Are you gonna do
36:13
Speaker 1: the y'all need Jesus that I sent you about cruise
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Speaker 1: ship to go along with this theme, I suppose I
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Speaker 1: can about a walk in cooler.
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Speaker 2: I suppose I could.
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Speaker 1: Okay. My last one is cruise ships have brigs, which
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Speaker 1: is the nautical term for gel on a vessel, including
36:28
Speaker 1: a cruise ship. Now I know people know this that
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Speaker 1: have selled at sea. It's called a brig, but I
36:33
Speaker 1: wanted to tell you where the word came from. It
36:36
Speaker 1: came from the word brigantine, which is a type of
36:39
Speaker 1: two masted sailing ship formally used to house criminals.
36:43
Speaker 2: Put a bunch of criminals on a ship.
36:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was called a brigantine, so that's why
36:47
Speaker 1: they call it the brig I did not know that. Okay, well,
36:50
Speaker 1: there you go, because I knew you were already starting
36:52
Speaker 1: with your little face about whenever I said the brig
36:54
Speaker 1: you're lying. Everybody knows it's called a brig on a
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Speaker 1: ship now. Anyways, So we'll get back with the only
37:02
Speaker 1: Jesus that I found that Stu's going to tell us about.
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Speaker 1: But I found this one is cruise ship themed, all right, Stew,
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Speaker 1: you ready to go? This one isn't. Apparently the last
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Speaker 1: one I sent was too dark for him. He didn't
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Speaker 1: like appreciated.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it was a little dark.
37:18
Speaker 1: I told you, I've been.
37:19
Speaker 2: Listening a box full of genitals, and that's nothing on
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Speaker 2: different torsos.
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Speaker 1: You should listen to the Karen Slaughter books.
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Speaker 3: Stew.
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Speaker 1: It's nothing on that.
37:28
Speaker 2: Okay, that's all fictionalized. This was real ship, though I.
37:32
Speaker 1: Don't know what Karen Slaughter did in a different life.
37:34
Speaker 2: Stewart, Okay, well she might have been the one that
37:36
Speaker 2: put all the genitals in a box. She might have
37:40
Speaker 2: chopped them off just saying that. Yeah, we said, maybe
37:44
Speaker 2: we're covered legally. I think anyway, I would ask you
37:48
Speaker 2: Florida or not Florida. But it's a cruise ship.
37:53
Speaker 1: Oh Florida. It could be Texas they sell out of
37:56
Speaker 1: they have those ones we were talking about that said
37:59
Speaker 1: was called a fall foliage ones.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and go up to Quebec. Yeah, up in
38:03
Speaker 2: Canada anyway. CBS News Miami celebrity cruises improperly stored dead
38:11
Speaker 2: body in cruise ships cooler instead of more, lawsuit can claims.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and everybody acts like Royal Caribbean and Carnival or
38:18
Speaker 1: the trashy ones. And then you've got celebrities supposed to
38:21
Speaker 1: be the high fallutin and they're over here pulling.
38:23
Speaker 2: This celebrity hlu.
38:24
Speaker 1: I don't know what's that one celebrity like. I think
38:27
Speaker 1: they are just more expensive celebrity princess, the MSc nothing, nothing,
38:33
Speaker 1: nothing tops Disney though that's the most expensive.
38:37
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've seen some of them. No kids cruises,
38:40
Speaker 2: they're quite expensive.
38:41
Speaker 1: Well, Virgin Atlantic has cruise ships and they're only adults,
38:45
Speaker 1: but they're not that. No, the Disney one is just outrageous,
38:50
Speaker 1: three times as much as this Royal Caribbean.
38:53
Speaker 2: You've seen their damn park ticket prices.
38:55
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, it's insane. But I would if I were to.
38:58
Speaker 1: I haven't been on a Disney cruise yet. Maybe day,
39:00
Speaker 1: because I really want to go on the Halloween one. Now.
39:01
Speaker 1: Our daughter's like obsessed with Mickey Mouse, like, I mean,
39:04
Speaker 1: we're full in it. We're head to toe every day
39:07
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse. But I would never. If I don't have
39:12
Speaker 1: to ever go back to Disney World, I'll be okay.
39:15
Speaker 1: But I think that the cruise ship might be the better.
39:17
Speaker 2: What if they start sponsoring this podcast, well, I mean,
39:20
Speaker 2: all right, selling out.
39:21
Speaker 1: Oh well for sure. Yeah, but I think I'd rather
39:25
Speaker 1: spend the money on the cruise because everybody says you
39:27
Speaker 1: actually get to meet like your kids get to meet
39:28
Speaker 1: the characters, and it's a lot. It's just it's much.
39:32
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you're not at the theme part getting rise,
39:34
Speaker 1: but we went there. It's like two and a half
39:35
Speaker 1: hour wait in those lines. Unless you have a bunch
39:39
Speaker 1: of money to pay to jump to the front of
39:41
Speaker 1: the line. Anyways, go on with your stories too.
39:45
Speaker 2: Are you sure? Yeah, okay, the story comes to us
39:49
Speaker 2: April twenty third, twenty twenty three for Lauderdale, Florida, A Florida.
39:56
Speaker 2: Well though, yeah, it's fairly recent that happened. The story
39:59
Speaker 2: is very recent. A Florida woman and her family have
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Speaker 2: filed a lawsuit against Celebrity Cruises, claiming the cruise line
40:06
Speaker 2: and properly stored her husband's body in the ship's cooler
40:10
Speaker 2: as opposed to the morgue after he died on board.
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Speaker 1: Mike stew was talking about I said, there's a morgue
40:15
Speaker 1: versus a walk in cooler, and this is where we
40:18
Speaker 1: differentiate in it's a lawsuit.
40:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want you beer next to a corpse.
40:23
Speaker 1: Nope.
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Speaker 2: The lawsuit was filed in the U. S. District Court
40:26
Speaker 2: for the Southern District of Florida on Wednesday. According to
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Speaker 2: the complaint, Robert L. Jones died to a cardiac event
40:34
Speaker 2: while on the Celebrity Equinox cruise ship in August of
40:38
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, traveling from Fort Lauderdale to ports in
40:42
Speaker 2: the Eastern Caribbean or Caribbean if you prefer. The lawsuit
40:48
Speaker 2: states that after Jones' death, his wife, Marilyn Jones, was
40:51
Speaker 2: told that she had two options for what could be
40:54
Speaker 2: done with her husband's body. According to lawsuit, those options
40:57
Speaker 2: were to either have mister Jones' body removed from the
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Speaker 2: ship in San Juan, Puerto Rico, or to have his
41:04
Speaker 2: body stored on the ship until it reached Port and
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Speaker 2: Fort Lauderdale, Florida, approximately six days from the date of
41:11
Speaker 2: his passing. And this, people, is why you get travel insurance,
41:17
Speaker 2: so you can be removed in San Juan, Puerto Rico
41:20
Speaker 2: and flown repatriots.
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Speaker 1: Okay, but that was his wife's decision. Okay, Yes, she
41:25
Speaker 1: would have had to pay to transport his body.
41:28
Speaker 2: She didn't have insurance, or she was like, hey, I
41:30
Speaker 2: just paid for this cruise.
41:32
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. I mean, if you die from
41:34
Speaker 1: a cardiac arrest, God rest your soul. We pay for
41:37
Speaker 1: this cruise to we got to continue to enjoy it.
41:39
Speaker 2: We got an excursions, we got excursions plan. We're gonna
41:45
Speaker 2: go see the monkeys this laws, we got the beach
41:48
Speaker 2: day ride cruise back.
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Speaker 1: It probably was very expensive to transport the body and
41:52
Speaker 1: they weren't going to pay for it, so.
41:54
Speaker 2: You could always back when you could always just call it,
41:56
Speaker 2: say yeah, transport off follow clan with the insurance company.
41:58
Speaker 2: Where we're going to continue on.
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Speaker 1: Well that sounds really cold though, which his body was
42:04
Speaker 1: obviously not not okay, we're terrible people.
42:09
Speaker 2: Too soon. It's only a year wo So Jones's body
42:17
Speaker 2: stayed on board the ship for approximately six days, according
42:21
Speaker 2: to the lawsuit, When the funeral services employee in Fort
42:25
Speaker 2: Lauderdale was brought onto the ship to retrieve mister Jones's body,
42:29
Speaker 2: his body was not located in the ship's morgue, The
42:32
Speaker 2: lawsuit said. Instead, mister Jones' body had been, at some
42:37
Speaker 2: time not yet known, been moved from the ship's morgue
42:41
Speaker 2: to a cooler on a different floor than the ship's
42:44
Speaker 2: more but why we don't know. This story does not
42:47
Speaker 2: even tell us what this is.
42:48
Speaker 1: Some weird shit going on.
42:49
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to go to court to find out.
42:51
Speaker 1: Wow, I want, let's go to court.
42:53
Speaker 2: This has not been gone to court yet, so we'll
42:55
Speaker 2: have to wait. Now. The cooler in which mister Jones'
42:59
Speaker 2: body was found by the few in your employee had
43:02
Speaker 2: drinks placed outside of the cooler, so it sounded like
43:04
Speaker 2: a drink cooler. They moved the drinks out to put
43:06
Speaker 2: the body in there, and it was not at a
43:09
Speaker 2: temperature which was sufficient for proper storing of a dead
43:13
Speaker 2: body to prevent decomposition, according to the lawsuit. The lawsuit
43:19
Speaker 2: also says the body was found in a bag on
43:23
Speaker 2: a palette on the floor of the cooler and that
43:25
Speaker 2: it was in the advanced stage. It's a decomposition.
43:28
Speaker 1: Like what, I don't understand what's going on on this ship?
43:30
Speaker 1: When I read this story, I was like, what is
43:32
Speaker 1: happening on this ship? How are these employees just walking
43:35
Speaker 1: around this dead body laying on a pallette next to
43:38
Speaker 1: the core's light?
43:39
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, how are you fine with you? And
43:40
Speaker 2: be like no, you people need to come get this
43:42
Speaker 2: body out of my cooler cooler, take it to the morgue.
43:45
Speaker 2: I'm not working in here. I mean, who are these
43:47
Speaker 2: people that are just okay for it to be down there?
43:50
Speaker 1: I don't know?
43:51
Speaker 2: And who are these people that put it down there, like, hey,
43:53
Speaker 2: we're going to bring this down here. Maybe they had
43:56
Speaker 2: some maintenance on the more cooler. They had to have
43:58
Speaker 2: somebody come out and They're like, we just need to
44:00
Speaker 2: move it for you know, a couple hours.
44:01
Speaker 1: And then somebody forgot to move the body back. I
44:03
Speaker 1: would think, I think, I think you remember, the only
44:06
Speaker 1: dead body on your entire cruise ship would be kind
44:08
Speaker 1: of something you'd have like the cruise director be like, yeah,
44:11
Speaker 1: let's not forget the dead body.
44:13
Speaker 2: That's not the cruise director's problem. I don't think that
44:16
Speaker 2: is not Julie's problem anyway. So Marilyn Jones and her
44:21
Speaker 2: family are asking for compensatory damages in the amount of
44:24
Speaker 2: one million dollars.
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Speaker 1: I'll let your body rot on a palette next to
44:28
Speaker 1: some beers for one million dollars.
44:30
Speaker 2: And are demanding a trial by jury.
44:33
Speaker 1: That's what we need, a trial by jury because they
44:36
Speaker 1: don't want this. They don't want the cruise lines. They're
44:38
Speaker 1: always getting out of this shit, you know, except for
44:41
Speaker 1: they did you know who was that? You know that
44:42
Speaker 1: was the one that was real bad when the grandpa
44:44
Speaker 1: dropped the child or whatever, and then they and they
44:48
Speaker 1: tried to lie and say that the family tried to
44:51
Speaker 1: lie and s the cruise ship. It was real Caribbean,
44:53
Speaker 1: I think, and I have to say the cruise ship
44:55
Speaker 1: was correct. He so you saw the video that they
44:58
Speaker 1: had or whatever, and he he knew the glass wasn't there.
45:01
Speaker 1: He hung the child out for over thirty seconds outside
45:05
Speaker 1: of the glass like it was obvious, and then they
45:07
Speaker 1: lied about it trying to get a bunch of money
45:08
Speaker 1: from Royal croupying. That whole thing is sketchy to me, Like,
45:12
Speaker 1: I don't understand. I got some bad vibes off that
45:16
Speaker 1: family and the grandpa and stuff like that, because why
45:18
Speaker 1: would you hang your eighteen month old granddaughter and then
45:21
Speaker 1: try to sue the cruise line for a bunch of money.
45:25
Speaker 1: I'm just saying a little sketchy, A little sketchy.
45:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was terrible. I can't even think about that.
45:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we started panicking. I was like, oh my god,
45:32
Speaker 1: are these children going to acidentally fall off this cruise ship?
45:35
Speaker 1: And then I looked it up and it's very difficult
45:37
Speaker 1: for a child to fall off a cruise ship. It
45:38
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. That's why whenever it does happen, it's like
45:41
Speaker 1: in the news. And then this whole thing when you
45:43
Speaker 1: first read it and what the family says, whenever you
45:46
Speaker 1: first just hear about it, it's like, oh, well, there
45:48
Speaker 1: was glass there and it just went away or we
45:50
Speaker 1: didn't know there wasn't glass there, and then you actually
45:52
Speaker 1: start looking at it makes you feel better because I mean,
45:53
Speaker 1: it makes you feel better about the fact that they
45:55
Speaker 1: can't accidentally fall off a cruise ship. The baby was
45:58
Speaker 1: intentionally put over the window and hung outside for a
46:03
Speaker 1: long period of time. This was not like a quick
46:06
Speaker 1: little Michael Jackson thing. Yeah, this was a and then
46:09
Speaker 1: for them to have to try to sue for money
46:11
Speaker 1: is like sketchy to me. But I'm a pessimistic person
46:17
Speaker 1: that doesn't see the good in anybody.
46:19
Speaker 2: So now.
46:22
Speaker 1: Anyways, still alive today though because of it almost got
46:27
Speaker 1: taken when I was that four year old little girl.
46:31
Speaker 1: When I was four. We told the story last time
46:33
Speaker 1: about me being scared of the teenagers in the truck.
46:36
Speaker 2: You weren't going to be taken.
46:38
Speaker 1: It's not going to be taken, at least not without
46:40
Speaker 1: a fight.
46:41
Speaker 2: You had a special set of skills anyway.
46:43
Speaker 1: So we'll see. Maybe this will get some more information
46:45
Speaker 1: because I don't understand how the body was in the
46:47
Speaker 1: morgue and got removed from the morgue. They obviously didn't
46:49
Speaker 1: have like we had read. There's like three to four
46:52
Speaker 1: spots for bodies on these cruise ships. They're obviously what
46:57
Speaker 1: I think that would have been mentioned, like there was
46:58
Speaker 1: multiple deaths on this, so they ran out a room
47:02
Speaker 1: something like that, there's something weird going on, and for
47:04
Speaker 1: the employees just to be like very casual about it all.
47:07
Speaker 2: I configure as there was maintenance on that cooling unit
47:11
Speaker 2: for the Morgan it was supposed to be a temporary
47:13
Speaker 2: move what they my logical guess, and then they forgot
47:17
Speaker 2: about it somehow.
47:18
Speaker 1: Well, what they should have done if there was maintenance,
47:20
Speaker 1: they should have told a lady there's been something going
47:23
Speaker 1: on with the Morgue units. We need to work on him.
47:25
Speaker 1: So we're gonna have to get him off at the
47:26
Speaker 1: next port and we'll fly him. We'll pay to fly
47:29
Speaker 1: him back his return his body to the United States.
47:33
Speaker 1: But anyways, all right, so that's our cruise ship themed episode.
47:38
Speaker 1: Since we're going on a cruise, we're going out of Galveston.
47:41
Speaker 1: We're staying at a haunted hotel. I didn't even know
47:43
Speaker 1: it was haunted. I just picked it and then come
47:45
Speaker 1: to find out it's haunted. So we might do something
47:47
Speaker 1: on that, maybe kind of like the Crescent hotel. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: real cool.
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Speaker 2: You posted those. No, I'm going to when.
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Speaker 1: When we're on the when I unpack everything on the
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Speaker 1: cruise ship so I can show everybuddy how I did it,
48:16
Speaker 1: and like what my little all the tips I found,
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Speaker 1: all the little things I found to pack to hopefully
48:22
Speaker 1: make things go better.
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Speaker 2: So we shall see. So if it goes to hell,
48:27
Speaker 2: then you're not posting.
48:28
Speaker 1: I'm not posting it. It will just be like it never happened.
48:30
Speaker 1: Pretend this conversation never happens. But all right, I guess
48:33
Speaker 1: we will again. Maybe not. There won't be an episode
48:36
Speaker 1: next week. Might just be catching up on a little
48:38
Speaker 1: less messes and stuff. So I guess we will see
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Speaker 1: you next time. Bye, everyone, say bye ste Bias.
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